h1-discussion

[latent moon]

i guess he probably just wanted hp security like jazz said

[stone rune]

you can miss them

[balmy ginkgo]

so i CAN miss it if i skip

idk why skip then

[latent moon]

most of the time you wont miss it

like 95% of the time you'll get it again

[stone rune]

it’s not like if you skip a hammer once you never see it

[latent moon]

its a complicated thing lol

[stone rune]

speedrun would be hell

[balmy ginkgo]

okay let me set this straight

[stone rune]

there’s multiple hammer exits in the bag

[balmy ginkgo]

do i get 2 hammers per run and then will "95%" keep showing up until i get 2

[stone rune]

and multiple biomes in the game

[balmy ginkgo]

or, do i get 2, and if i skip one, ill only have one more later

[latent moon]

#h1-high-heat-strategies message

this should describe it a lot better than any of us can lol

[stone rune]

well if you just keep dodging it you might not get it but you can skip it two or three times probably

[high island]

I think he was just simply playing at 20 Heat and took whatever he felt like, not really too concerned about the results.

[latent moon]

yeah probably

[balmy ginkgo]

huh

ill read that later its a big long, probably tomorrow when im on the bus

[rustic vale]

You’d skip hammer if it’s second hammer on sword

[latent moon]

that's fair lmao

[rustic vale]

Or hermes is the other option

Or chaos

Or story room

[latent moon]

spear doesn't need a second hammer if you already have flurry jab from first hammer

or serrated on first hammer i guess? idrk about that one

[rustic vale]

Zag spear can get use out of second hammer

and if you didn’t find charged skewer first hammer on guan-yu

[latent moon]

oh explosive launcher is good i guess

yeah

i was talking about specifically achilles but i didn't mention it lol

[stone rune]

i would simply not do that

[rustic vale]

True

If Hades 2 doesn’t have hoarding slash I’ll cry

[latent moon]

does hades 2 even have a sword in the trailer lmao

[rustic vale]

Idk

The scythes could get it

[latent moon]

lmfao

true

[rustic vale]

there better be a revolver

I wanna be a cowboy

[latent moon]

ah yes, cowboys in ancient greece

yeehaw

[rustic vale]

I should probably take a lot at the Hades 2 FAQ

No updates nvrmind

[latent moon]

lmao yeah

[balmy ginkgo]

how much time does this "post rush damage" stay for?

it doesnt say so anywhere

2s? 4s? 1 attack?

[latent moon]

raging rush for achilles?

[balmy ginkgo]

yeah

[latent moon]

it says 4 attacks or casts in the description

[balmy ginkgo]

oh damn im blind

sorry about that

[latent moon]

lmao a lot of the info for aspects are hidden unless you hover over it

also same with sigil of the dead

[balmy ginkgo]

nah it was there im just an idiot

no excuse

[latent moon]

oh lmao

[balmy ginkgo]

its literally on the right side

[latent moon]

oh btw the buff doesn't stack

[balmy ginkgo]

i assumed it resets yeah

[latent moon]

if you use 3 charges and spam special twice again to recharge it, you'd only have 1 charge afterwards

it doesn't reset lol

[balmy ginkgo]

wait what

[latent moon]

it just doesn't do anything

[balmy ginkgo]

thats horrible

[latent moon]

it's wack

[balmy ginkgo]

thats legit really really bad QOL

-_-

[latent moon]

yeah it's not great lol

[balmy ginkgo]

how did they not patch this? seems unfun

[stone rune]

what is

[stone rune]

wait what

[latent moon]

that's why the standard combo is 2x special -> 2x dash strikes -> repeat

[balmy ginkgo]

considering you attack 3 times per combo it doesnt even make sense

[stone rune]

crazy

[balmy ginkgo]

just to clarify dash strike is attack after dash right not the dash itself

right?

[stone rune]

dash strike is a diff kind of attack

comes out faster

but that's how you input it

[royal widget]

is there a best aspect for vengeful mood? eris maybe?

[stone rune]

arthur lmfao

[latent moon]

fists maybe lmao

[royal widget]

pfff really

[stone rune]

do you mean afk build

[royal widget]

no

[stone rune]

oh

then idk

eris sure

wait

[latent moon]

well youd have to take an ares core

[stone rune]

oh nvm

[latent moon]

and on eris that's kinda funky

[stone rune]

slicing shot

[latent moon]

for fists you already have ME

and zeus cast can be taken to just fill a core and doesn't open any duos as long as you dont take a vengeance boon

[latent moon]

imagine getting hunting blades lmao

i guess that's not bad

[stone rune]

i think the hestia guide comments on this

[royal widget]

eh yeah i'll prob try arthur

[stone rune]

"If you’re a sick freak that likes unbuffed Hunting Blades, then sure, take Ares’ cast. It personally makes my blood boil."

[latent moon]

for an afk build is arthur better for the 50 more hp or is zag fists better for the increased dodge

[stone rune]

arthur probably

let me go do MATH

[latent moon]

won't that 50 hp just get deleted in like 2 hits

[stone rune]

fists is 17.6

[stone rune]

DD

[latent moon]

oh true

so like, that's 125 hp?

[stone rune]

this is the same thing with the collar

[latent moon]

3ish hits

[stone rune]

well im p sure haelian em4 afk used arthur

[latent moon]

oh true

[high island]

Sounds like skill issue, not design issue.

[stone rune]

and idek if revenge procs on dodge

[latent moon]

iirc it doesnt, but it's based around vengeful mood so you dont really need to get hit

at that point it's just survivability

[royal widget]

i dont see why it would

[stone rune]

oh right

[latent moon]

so like, is the 125 hp better or is 15% dodge better cumulatively with like greater evasion

[high island]

Actually needing to use up Achilles's buff before you can use it again is part of what makes it engaging to play.

[stone rune]

well let's say we go in with like 900 ehp

that would make the dodge slightly better

if you're going in with like 700 ehp

they're approximately the same

600 ehp arthur is coming out better

[latent moon]

interesting

[stone rune]

although actually

[latent moon]

makes sense i guess

[stone rune]

i'm not accounting for plume here

[latent moon]

i doubt plume would be used

[stone rune]

plume might affect how big the fists boost is

im p sure it uses pliume

let me see

[latent moon]

you need to force gods and get more revenge boons

[stone rune]

lmfao

plume in thumbnail

[latent moon]

oh lmao nvm

i guess into like ely

and all styx tunnels

[stone rune]

haelian goes for the rng

[latent moon]

does he start with it?

[stone rune]

no he plumes in tart

[latent moon]

i guess that also works

[stone rune]

GOD

[latent moon]

lol get dynoed

[high island]

Specify.

[stone rune]

john fitzgerald kennedy

[high island]

I guess that's a god in American nationalism, which might as well be a religion.

[stone rune]

actually haleian used fists

[latent moon]

oh based

[worldly harness]

hey everyone i got a question

im not new into this game

but am I wrong for hating both of the ranged weapons

[stone rune]

yes

[worldly harness]

I feel like they don't have enough dps

[stone rune]

you're not building them right

ranged weapons and shield are the better weapons

[ripe forge]

what's the thing about aphrodite cast boon I never really understood it

[stone rune]

huge damage

[worldly harness]

tbh I don't like using any other boons than athenas, artemises and hermeses

[stone rune]

that's your problem

[ripe forge]

but melee, can you still put it into your bow for example?

will it get stuck?

[stone rune]

well that's why it's not just always used

but it's the best cast on hera

[ripe forge]

it was a question lol I genuinely don't know

[worldly harness]

I find stygius's zagreus aspect the best weapon

I have got most heat

[stone rune]

that is the 2nd worst aspect in the game

[worldly harness]

with it

[latent moon]

lmfao

[worldly harness]

15% attack and mov speed

wym

[stone rune]

is pretty pathetic on base sword

which does like no damage

[ripe forge]

the crits are free dps though and stacks multiplicatively with other percentage buffs

[stone rune]

like woohoo i got rush delivery for 7.5% extra damage or something

[ripe forge]

super easy to proc and make you make use of let's say ares special attack boon

if I now get something about this game it's that stacking multiple sources of bonus damage on the same type of attack works

[stone rune]

sword does not do damage without nemesis boost or ME

[worldly harness]

and how do I give ambrosia to gods after filling their heart meter all the way up

[ripe forge]

like chaos + chaos + boon + aspect + bonus damage from cast

[stone rune]

you have to complete their favor

[worldly harness]

what is that

[stone rune]

check wiki

[worldly harness]

no info about that in wiki

ye i checked

[stone rune]

it's literally

what

it's right there what are you on about

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1028112977100017666/1088179289142341754/image.png

[worldly harness]

Artemis' favor requires seeing multiple strings of dialogue in which she talks about her partner, Callisto. The gauge is unlocked when Artemis says that she feels like she can be herself with Zagreus.

I just have to have more conversations then?

[latent moon]

yeah

[stone rune]

most of them are literally just talk to them more

[worldly harness]

anddd am I wrong for not using the "special" attacks at all?

[stone rune]

well it depends

if you’re using zagsword yes

[worldly harness]

some of the aspects specials are ok tho

[stone rune]

bow and shield specials are useless

[worldly harness]

like arthur's

[stone rune]

arthur special is kind of annoying

[ripe forge]

no but you're missing out on dps

[stone rune]

rail and sword specials are super important

[latent moon]

achilles special lol

[stone rune]

not real

[worldly harness]

like the zeus aspect of shield gives something new for the special and I dont use special with the shield which makes that aspect completely useless for me

[latent moon]

oh zeus shield is the one shield you use the special on

[stone rune]

zoos is literally the only reason you'd ever press q on shield

beo doesn't exist

[ripe forge]

clicking direction and roll at the same time does not work 100% of the time?

[stone rune]

?

[worldly harness]

my shield got darker thirst on it rn so I'm gonna do a run with 4 heat which aspect should I use

[stone rune]

well zagshield is always easy

[ripe forge]

zagreus needs to change direction first then the roll applied

[latent moon]

the dash?

[ripe forge]

ye

[worldly harness]

I wanna use the hidden for the prophecy

[stone rune]

do you have it unlocked

[worldly harness]

yes

[stone rune]

ok

then uh

[worldly harness]

all the hiddens

[stone rune]

this is a bit complicated

do u know the build

[latent moon]

idk ive never had that problem of dashing the wrong way

[royal widget]

all aspects maxed
now what

[stone rune]

speedrun

[ripe forge]

not single dash, but double/triple

[latent moon]

well yeah i've never had any issuse

[stone rune]

do you know beo build

[ripe forge]

he doesn't always change the direction accordingly and it's especially frustrating on the second level lmao

[worldly harness]

whats beo

[ripe forge]

ohh the lava

[stone rune]

beowulf

hidden aspect of shield

[worldly harness]

yeah im using it rn

[stone rune]

do you know its build

[worldly harness]

no?

[latent moon]

are you on controller?

[stone rune]

ok then

so uh

you start poseidon

take flood flare ffrom him

look for artemis

if no arty in tart force into aspho

[worldly harness]

you want me to take his keepsake then?

[stone rune]

take deadly strike, or deadly flourish if strike isn't offered

[stone rune]

yes

[worldly harness]

it's only one star tho lol

[latent moon]

that's fine

rarity doesn't matter too much here

[stone rune]

rarity doesnt matter much for your cast

it'll matter for like 1 breakpoint ever

and then you get your first pom and it's fine

[ripe forge]

pc

[stone rune]

do you have dash at cursor on

and then

for beowulf

look for mirage shot

that's the duo between artemis and poseidon

in the meantime

pom your cast as much as humanly possible

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1B7qCbSaBgREflZ3Wm_5vXf95f8RLHwav-KbjUJifY0k/edit

[worldly harness]

bro dont give me boon names i dont know them xD

[ripe forge]

default settings, only rebound cast on mouse4

[latent moon]

you prob aren't inputting fast enough then for your wasd, because i've never had any problems of dashing in 2 different directions in quick succession

either that or might be a hardware issue

[ripe forge]

might just be a skill issue xd

[latent moon]

i've never heard anyone talk about this

could be lol

[worldly harness]

YOU GUYS HAVE GOOGLE DOCS FOR BUILDS?

[stone rune]

lmfao

[latent moon]

speedrunners like to share information

so compiling it all into one place for others to read is helpful

[worldly harness]

tbh that makes the game scripted and boring a bit

[latent moon]

there's hestia, eris, beowulf, 2 achilles guides, prob some more

[stone rune]

and beo happens to be the speedrun aspect

[latent moon]

fists

[stone rune]

hera doesn't exist

[ripe forge]

that's the point of a speedrun

[stone rune]

hestia guide my beloved

[ripe forge]

reduce the amount of variables

[latent moon]

speedrunning?

[stone rune]

the hestia guide is so cool

[ripe forge]

to get consistent results

[latent moon]

there's still a lot of randomness

[worldly harness]

no im not speedrunning

[stone rune]

consistent

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1019DSLlyHwg7_oIiN3Il-NUYdHEbl783G7ZvstFSCD4/edit

[royal widget]

hera is just pom crush shot +flurry shot

[stone rune]

build is still the same

[ripe forge]

as good as it gets

[stone rune]

hera is not a real aspect

[worldly harness]

man Im trying to finish the epilogue and then im gone

[stone rune]

fake news!

[stone rune]

me too, buddy

[latent moon]

i mean the builds will still be the same lol, speedrunning guides are a good place to learn good builds

[stone rune]

[latent moon]

because speedrunners want to maximize damage, and big damage is good

[ripe forge]

please don't tell me on higher difficulties I will have to drop the butterfly

[latent moon]

you should be dropping butterfly in general lmao

but like

in lower heats anything can work

once you go up in heat, it gets more strict of what works

[ripe forge]

it's like 30% damage increase

oh no

[latent moon]

yeah and then you dont have control of your build

[ripe forge]

also feels so rewarding

the sound is just too good

[latent moon]

imagine wanting to play beowulf but you get stuck with icy flare

[ripe forge]

ring the bell

[latent moon]

icy flare sucks ass

that 30% increase from butterfly wont mean anything if the build is trash to begin with

also butterfly for some aspects, even if you get all the good rng, wouldn't be worth it

[stone rune]

wdym? i want my common shot

[latent moon]

specifically cast based aspects

[stone rune]

does butterfly apply to ME

[latent moon]

buying a single braid with hourglass is already gonna give you more overall damage than butterfly lmao

[latent moon]

probably, it's a global damage boost

im pretty sure

[ripe forge]

isn't it all damage dealt

[stone rune]

min % shot from chaos llol

[latent moon]

lmfao yeah

[royal widget]

i experienced this earlier
horrid

is dem better with ME or zeus stuff

[latent moon]

always ME

if you're aren't trying to get stellar times, zeus is gonna be more consistent tho

but ME is extremely strong

[stone rune]

ME rng

[royal widget]

i felt this so hard just now

[latent moon]

i mean a good speedrunning zap fists build for dem needs a lot of rng to be able to remotely compete with ME

[stone rune]

yeah but all you need for it to work is jolted probably

[latent moon]

speedcord said something like both pos and zeus legendaries

[stone rune]

lmfao the sea storm special

[worldly harness]

does the run's timer freeze in the dialogue screens and boon screens?

[stone rune]

yes

[worldly harness]

oh nice

[stone rune]

you can see the timer in the top right if you enable it in the settings

imagine if td3 made you do 20 min rta

[mint coral]

Timer also stop on Than's encounters and survival rooms

[worldly harness]

I just opened the settings for the first time and saw this god mode

[latent moon]

and story rooms

[worldly harness]

what is it

[stone rune]

gives you damage resistance based on your death count

[worldly harness]

death count?

[mint coral]

(If you mean tight deadline timer then ignore the survival rooms cuz it disables them)

[stone rune]

how many times you've died

[worldly harness]

I mean you die no matter what

[mint coral]

It gives you 20% dmg resistance that goes up by 2% each time you die

Ofc it only goes up if you have it on

Also caps at 80%

[stone rune]

doesn't count escapes

[worldly harness]

oh

so it's an easier game mode then?

[stone rune]

yes

that's why it's called god mode

[balmy ginkgo]

best malphon aspects?

[stone rune]

demeter

[worldly harness]

I mean it doesnt make sense, why would there be a difficulty mode in a roguelike game

[balmy ginkgo]

thats it?

just demeter?

[stone rune]

because it's also a story game

[stone rune]

mostly yup

that's the best

the other ones naturally still work

[worldly harness]

15 dodge chance with zag's malphon is good too imo

[balmy ginkgo]

ehhhh idk how good dodge is in hades

[latent moon]

because not everyone has the same skill level and some want to just play for the story

[balmy ginkgo]

sounds very unreliable

[stone rune]

and the game is meant for an audience that isn't solely comprised of weird gatekeeping nerds who think that games should be a massive chore to play

[balmy ginkgo]

i mean how much is 15% dodge really giving you in terms of EHP in a run?

[mint coral]

Best thing to know is that dodge chance is additive

[stone rune]

it increases your ehp by 17%

[royal widget]

heat and god mode are great ways to modify difficulty

[rustic vale]

Isn’t it 4% up/death

[royal widget]

ehp?

[stone rune]

effective hp

[balmy ginkgo]

effective health

[stone rune]

so like

[royal widget]

sure

[rustic vale]

1/.85=1.17

[high island]

You can't change directions mid-dash, so you need to input the direction before your dash if you want to dash in that direction—otherwise Zag will just dash in whatever direction he's facing when you press dash.

If you have dash on a mouse button and your keyboard has noticeably more input lag than your mouse, then you'll need to correct for that by inputting the direction on your keyboard that much earlier before you press dash. That might be something that's throwing off your timing. If you have dash on keyboard, then the input lag is gonna be the same, so that won't be a problem.

[balmy ginkgo]

do people even play malphon? honestly?

[stone rune]

cherry

[balmy ginkgo]

cherry?

[latent moon]

to be fair, all the fists can more or less build the same way (with a few exceptions), so the dodge chance for zag fists is just free for something you're gonna build anyways

[balmy ginkgo]

another known player or something?

[worldly harness]

I mean I can understand the heat to make the game harder and harder to make it more interesting for the experienced players while rewarding you with new bounties, but god mode

[stone rune]

it is to let all players enjoy the game

[mint coral]

No

[latent moon]

cherry is well known in the speedrunning community, mainly for playing gilgamesh lol

[stone rune]

grinding the sub6

[latent moon]

ananke plays a lot of fists

[rustic vale]

So 1/1 would be with no damage reduction
2/1 would be if you doubled your actual hp
1/.85 is what you get from damage reduction such as 15% dodge chance, which is equal to a ~17% increase to your effective hp

[latent moon]

he made the whole guide iirc

or like

he was a part of it

[stone rune]

it's called ananke's fists guide

i'm sure he had help

[balmy ginkgo]

i dont see this cherry dude on youtube

[stone rune]

but he's like the main guy for it

[balmy ginkgo]

does he have another name?

[stone rune]

most speedrunners have like 10 subscribers

[latent moon]

god mode is to make the game easier for less experienced players

[stone rune]

lol

[high island]

Malphon is great.

[royal widget]

gamer
thx

[rustic vale]

look at speedrun.com

[stone rune]

he's cherrydad on src

i think

[latent moon]

cherry daddy or something lol

[stone rune]

yeah he's a mod

https://www.speedrun.com/user/CherryDad

[latent moon]

cherrydaddy on twitch

[high island]

There is a legendary Queen of Malphon who played virtually nothing but Malphon for probably most of her early access career.

[stone rune]

my run didnt get verified bc i alt tabbed 🥲

[latent moon]

lol

[stone rune]

shadowplay :(((

[rustic vale]

[ripe forge]

you use heat to make the game harder

[rustic vale]

My run didn’t get verified because it wasn’t submitted

[ripe forge]

I use it because I like rewards

[worldly harness]

do i have to do something (like click "e" quicker or smthng) to catch rarer fish or is it just rng

[ripe forge]

we are not the same

[latent moon]

yeah lol hit it faster

[rustic vale]

God mode adjusts the difficulty in the game in the opposite direction

[high island]

Nyaanyaa's Fishing Guide
There can only be three fake bobs, so the fourth bob is always real if the first three were fake. Fake bobs have an interval of 2-5 seconds while the real bob has an interval of 1-2 seconds. So if it takes more than 2 seconds, it should be a fake bob. Meaning you should look for the real bob within a short time after you start fishing or within a short time after a previous bob.

Personally, I just look for the white flash above the bobber and ignore the bobber itself. Some players have said they have better success when putting their thumb on the bobber to not get distracted by that, so maybe you could give that a try.

A Perfect Catch means catching a fish within 340ms. Perfect Catches are 50/50 on being a legendary or rare fish. Any other catch is 50/50 on being a rare or common fish.

[calm zenith]

Yes you need a perfect catch

[stone rune]

50% rng for common/rare on normal catch or rare/legendary on perfect catch

[latent moon]

i still dont have an anyheat submission lol

[stone rune]

i have one

hestia 657

ergo hestia is my pb

[latent moon]

i have a recorded 6:53 i can submit but i just choose not to

[stone rune]

did you not record the 647

[worldly harness]

can't I somehow change the fish catching keybind to something else than "e"? like lmb

[high island]

I think my first speedrun submission was 32 Heat mirrorless if I remember right.

[stone rune]

it's whatever your interact is

[latent moon]

no lol i didn't think i'd be recording or submitting ever

[stone rune]

do you want to interact with lmb

[ripe forge]

isn't it just interact button

[worldly harness]

oh thanks

[stone rune]

this is the most active day of sgg in my whole sggcord career

[latent moon]

so my 6:47 just ✨ exists in theory ✨

[high island]

I have that in RTA that I choose to not submit.

[latent moon]

even tho it's been like at least a year or something at this point

true

[rustic vale]

It also never got recorded

[latent moon]

i do have recordings

just none i want to submit lol

i could submit a sub7 but eh

[pastel monolith]

i got 34 heat with guan yu this morning
just bragging lol
i used to hate guan yu but i hate all the spears rly.. guan yu is now my favorite

[high island]

Why not? You could still make it on page 2 at least.

[latent moon]

lmfao true

[rustic vale]

Submit a sub20

would they even need to watch the whole thing to verify if the igt was over 10 minutes long

like it doesn’t matter if you cheated at that point

[stone rune]

they watched my 25 min rta through

[latent moon]

my 6:43 would tie with ocke's gilgamesh lmfao

wait no i dont have that

ocke's gilgamesh is better than my beo lmao

either way i dont really want to submit any runs until i get like a 6:30 at least

[high island]

Going by my parents' reactions or lack thereof, making it somewhere on page 2 and setting WRs is literally the same.

[latent moon]

lmao

@sleek robin what do you not understand?

about tight deadline

[worldly harness]

what is the core?

[latent moon]

wdym

[worldly harness]

the boon bar on the left side of the screen?

Frost Flourish - fills core

[sour fog]

core boons

[latent moon]

all those things on the side of the screen are called "cores"

so yeah

attack, special, cast, dash, and call

[sour fog]

they are the ones that go directly to some skill like attack or special

[latent moon]

the first 4 are also called "priority" because of how they're offered from boons

[sour fog]

and if you get another one they'll replace the old one, so you can only have one core boon per slot

[worldly harness]

So nothing special happens if I get the "core" filled right?

[latent moon]

well

it opens duos

or it can

[sour fog]

but on top of those you get boons that don't go into core slot and simply are passive or improve something

[worldly harness]

oh ik that ty

[latent moon]

but also if you just fill a core slot, you won't be offered that from gods unless it's a replacement

[sour fog]

some boons need specific core boon to unlock the ability to get them

[latent moon]

if at least one of your attack, special, cast, and dash boons are missing, then a boon will always offer it

so if you're missing only a cast boon, the next boon you see will offer a cast

i think always unless there's a replacement boon

[stone rune]

no

this is only if every core is missing

i think

[latent moon]

what

if you're only missing cast?

if every core is missing then it'll offer all cores

[stone rune]

wait nvm

[latent moon]

[stone rune]

im silly

oh wait

im thinking of

it'll give you all cores if you have no cores

[latent moon]

[stone rune]

like on your first boon

[latent moon]

yeah ik

[stone rune]

im silly

[royal widget]

at what point do you get offered a call?

bc i know frsh file gives you only 4

[latent moon]

5th run

[sour fog]

I think like fifth run or so

yeah

[latent moon]

i think game forces you to take pos call

[sour fog]

yes first call is poseidon

[stone rune]

how

[latent moon]

wdym "how"

it's just like the only option there

[stone rune]

really??

wild

[latent moon]

im pretty sure

[sour fog]

yes when you first get call you get forced poseidon boon and call is the only option

pretty sure it even bypasses keepsake

[latent moon]

story boons will always bypass keepsakes

[worldly harness]

ares or demeter

which one should i take in a trial

whose fight is easier

[latent moon]

fighting demeter sucks

so take her boon first

[sour fog]

for me I would say the opposite, Demeter is just one area at a time and it grows fairly slowly, Ares has multiple blades around

Demeter feels easy to avoid

[latent moon]

perma stun kinda annoying

also it's a pretty large area it covers isn't it

[worldly harness]

btw why do those little chariots in elysium meow

[latent moon]

because why not

[worldly harness]

like is it some kind of a reference or what

[latent moon]

honestly no clue but it's funny

[worldly harness]

xD

[latent moon]

as if a cat wouldn't run up to you and headbutt you tho

[worldly harness]

*explode

lol

[latent moon]

well they have to headbutt you to do that

[high island]

ares or demeter
which one should i take in a trial
I am trying to think of a scenario in which that trial is ever worth taking in the first place.

[worldly harness]

is athena's call any good?

[worldly harness]

i mean the other option was chiron's shop

sooo

[latent moon]

it's good for just straight up invincibility

[worldly harness]

2 boons seem better than a shop

[high island]

Shop better.

[latent moon]

shop is generally better yeah

[high island]

Those two gods have like zero synergy btw.

[latent moon]

unless you're broke, then i guess you can take trial

but also i'd much rather not take trial

can't get duos from them

[worldly harness]

I almost skip chiron's shop everywhere cus I'm trying to buy the bounty in the styx temple 1000 for diamond 1200 for titan blood

[high island]

Yeah, but even then it's just freely advancing to the next chamber.

Saves time and HP.

[worldly harness]

honestly I got urge to kill + ravenous will from that trial so Im grateful

[high island]

For those two gods in particular, anyway, their synergy is so bad that even their Duo Boon is considered a downgrade.

Like, actively making your Cast worse.

Ravenous Will is like the one synergy they have if you're doing a Hunting Blades build.

[worldly harness]

I'm using the hidden aspect of the shield rn so the cast really doesnt matter

[latent moon]

what

hidden shield's whole gimmick is the cast

[worldly harness]

and I only have 4 heat so Im pretty sure Im going to win

[latent moon]

esp because of the mirage shot bug

[worldly harness]

I have ares's cast on it

900 damage if I land it

[latent moon]

well that's certainly a top 9 option for the cast

[worldly harness]

other boons seemed bad

sooo

[latent moon]

flood flare

didn't someone send the beo guide

passion flare also exists

[worldly harness]

btw how do some poeple change the boons they got from a god

like in the select screen

[latent moon]

randomly offered

[high island]

Flood Flare (Poseidon) and Passion Flare (Lady Aphrodite) are the top two choices.

[high island]

That's Fated Persuasion.

Green side of the final mirror option.

[latent moon]

oh that

oops lmao

[worldly harness]

oh ok thanks

Im using dark sides on all except the coin giving one

[high island]

Fated Persuasion is just way better.

[latent moon]

so is dark foresight

[high island]

Which is why you'll see it in 100% of speedruns and 99% of high heat runs.

Yeah, Dark Foresight is broken in all the good ways.

[stone rune]

deep pockets

[high island]

Golden Touch makes sense early on if they wanna buy the bounties from Styx shop every run.

[worldly harness]

what keepsake should I take for the hades fight

evergreen acorn imo

[high island]

Yes.

[worldly harness]

I usually pick lucky tooth but rn I have all 3 of death defiances

[latent moon]

even if you didn't have all 3 acorn is still better

[high island]

The go-to is: god 1 > god 2 > Acorn > Acorn.

Potentially Hourglass in Elysium instead of Acorn.

[latent moon]

occasionally dad call into styx

[stone rune]

zoos into styx

"yay, all my free rooms are saved to past c8!" --> one (1) free room

didnt even get offered anything

literally just combat after cmbat

i was waiting for the skip the whole time

[latent moon]

mood

[stone rune]

this guy thanatos

just sat here for 13 god damn seconds

because he cant step over an ounce of rubble

[mint coral]

Than moment

[worldly harness]

yay 4 heat baewulf no death defiance used

[stone rune]

entered c11 with an ix and 1:00 on the timer

no cshot is so bad

[high island]

I think I feel the same way when I get no miniboss in Elysium because I have to take shop. #hypermoddedbtw

[high island]

Nice. Now 8 Heat.

[latent moon]

64

[worldly harness]

lol what

[high island]

4 Heat clearly too easy.

[latent moon]

i mean you can skip heat levels if you want lol you won't "lose" bounties

[stone rune]

test

[latent moon]

it's a good challenge if you want

[high island]

You paid for DDs and don't even get to use them.

[worldly harness]

btw I got both eurdycie and orpheus to full hearts (no ambrosia tho) and nothing happens now

[latent moon]

dont you have to talk to nyx or something or something in the house contractor

unless you already did that part

[high island]

The solution, as ever, is to do more runs and get more dialogue.

[worldly harness]

I talk to everyone after every run

[latent moon]

at that point yeah get more dialogue lol

[high island]

Just gotta keep doing that, yeah.

[worldly harness]

oh and what do I need to get ranks for

I got the first one

[high island]

They're just an endgame resource sink.

[worldly harness]

like what do they provide me with

nothing?

[high island]

Ranks.

[worldly harness]

hmmm

[latent moon]

it's just cosmetic

[calm zenith]

It's just a sink yeah

[worldly harness]

did I just spend 1000 darkness for literally NOTHING

[latent moon]

lol

yeah

happens to the best of us

[calm zenith]

Clout. The final one is ||Hades's rank||

||Unseen One||

[latent moon]

if you get through all of them you get special dialogue :)

just a casual like

[calm zenith]

Yeah

[latent moon]

325k darkness

total

[worldly harness]

I mean this is not an online game where you can flex with your rank or something

[calm zenith]

Still working on that myself. I'm gamma overseer

[latent moon]

you can in screenshots lol

[calm zenith]

Yeah it's just screenshot clout

[latent moon]

on public platforms

[calm zenith]

It appears next to your health and stuff

It's like the UI redesigns

[stone rune]

it sits there in every victory screenshot u post lol

[calm zenith]

Yeah

If you dont need much Darkness anymore then it's a fine sink

If you still do, 1000 isn't much at all

[high island]

I've seen somebody here be more impressed by the fact that I had max rank than that I had WRs well before the ranks were even added to the game lol.

[calm zenith]

At my rank it's like 8500 darkness per rank

At the final tier it's like 11k

[stone rune]

too much grind 4 me

[calm zenith]

It is a lot of grind tbf

[worldly harness]

I mean why would I keep playing after finishing the epilogue?

[calm zenith]

For funny builds

[latent moon]

because the game is fun

[worldly harness]

Are you guys addicted? xD

[latent moon]

yes

[stone rune]

because you want sub6

[calm zenith]

I like funny builds and Hades has a good time and structure

Not too long not too short

[high island]

You can play a game without being addicted to it lol.

[calm zenith]

I have over 2k hours in one game I mod and I dont even play it anymore

[worldly harness]

Getting to max rank is just sucking the blood out of the game

[calm zenith]

Easily a third of that is from just testing stuff

Yeah it is

[stone rune]

how do you know

[calm zenith]

Its 100% completionism

[latent moon]

most people don't go for max rank lol

[calm zenith]

^

[latent moon]

most just do like epilogue or achievements

[calm zenith]

It's just there

[high island]

The ranks aren't intended as a grind so much as just something to still look forward to for hardcore players with hundreds of hours in the game.

[calm zenith]

Its like 900 korok seeds in botw

Not many actually do it

[worldly harness]

How many hours did it take you to get max rank?

[high island]

It's not a "grind" if I play the game anyway for intrinsic rewards.

[worldly harness]

I mean other games exist

[calm zenith]

People like this game

[stone rune]

it is a good game

[calm zenith]

I personally like grinding

If you dont want to play anymore go ahead

There's just lots of reasons to play

Like getting a good Achilles CoD build

[high island]

Most of my playtime was competing with friends in high heat.

[latent moon]

just because you finish a game doesn't mean you can't play it again lol

[high island]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[calm zenith]

Yeah I've played lots of games multiple times

[high island]

Something under 1.3k I guess?

[calm zenith]

It's a roguelike

It's meant to have a postgame

[high island]

I never bothered deliberately farming Darkness or anything.

[calm zenith]

Roguelite. Whatever.

Yeah I personally just take the glowing weapon and get darkness passively

[latent moon]

roguelike/roguelite games that don't have good replayability is kinda not great

[calm zenith]

I take that weapon for some variety

Easy system you can do to play the game more. Just try out funny duos or other combos.

[latent moon]

because the genre is built around "die a lot and play the game from start to finish again"

[calm zenith]

Yeah

[stone rune]

fftc hours

[calm zenith]

And get better at every enemy and boss encounter

[latent moon]

if you dont like that idea, then you wouldn't even make it to like the credits lol

[calm zenith]

It's not about just winning. It's about perfecting it.

[latent moon]

or you'd just do the credits and be done with it

[calm zenith]

It's literally a genre designed to dump time into

[balmy ginkgo]

uh quick question here

[calm zenith]

Roguelites are a more accessible version of the genre somewhat too

[balmy ginkgo]

so basically to get a legendary boon, i just need 1 basic, the upgrade of that basic, and thats it?

[calm zenith]

I think they're just naturally polarizing though

[stone rune]

?

[calm zenith]

You need a core boon and a tier 2

[balmy ginkgo]

the ultimate boon thing

[stone rune]

you need specific t2 boons

[latent moon]

just fill the prereqs in the codex lol

[stone rune]

like athena lego requires brilliant riposte

[calm zenith]

For example you have blade dash

[balmy ginkgo]

yeah but i just need ONE of them

right?

[high island]

Other people do like... farming Darkness deliberately, going through bounties 1-by-1. Meanwhile my 13th shield clear ever was high heat WR lol.

[stone rune]

just checkt he codex

[calm zenith]

To get the legendary you need Engulfing and/or Black Metal

No some legendaries require 2

[high island]

And my Malphon WR before that didn't have maxed mirror yet.

[balmy ginkgo]

😐

[calm zenith]

Zeus's does iirc, Poseidon's does

[latent moon]

zeus doesnt

[calm zenith]

But you only need 1 core

[latent moon]

artemis and demeter need 2 boons for prereqs

[calm zenith]

Just sometimes 2 tier 2s

[latent moon]

but also you need some other boon beforehand to get the prereq

just follow whatever's in the codex tbh

[calm zenith]

Yeah. Not even all tier 2s. Just non-core boons or boons that modify that god's core boon

[worldly harness]

Oh wait flood shot and flood flare are different boons and it is unique for bae?? Are there many other unique boons?

[latent moon]

"i need x boon to get the legendary, and to get x boon i need to get y boon"

[calm zenith]

But really just check the codex

[latent moon]

every "shot" or cast on beo is turned into a flare

[calm zenith]

-flare is applied to all Beo casts

[latent moon]

slicing flare, icy flare, etc

[calm zenith]

Yeah

[latent moon]

hera gets trippy flare tho

[high island]

I think if you play for maxing the mirror or finishing the bounties or other extrinsic rewards like that, you're definitely gonna get bored of or burned out from the game much faster than if you just play for the challenge per se or other intrinsic rewards like that.

[calm zenith]

It's not so much unique as it just modifies the cast to be an aoe burst

They usually work for the same duos

There are also some unique hammers

For example Beo's is, you gain sturdy for 3s after loading a cast

Not amazing but sturdy is pretty good so it's a good last resort hammer

If you get trash otherwise

Special hammers and stuff

[worldly harness]

guys I checked wiki but couldnt find it, in my prophecy list of poseidon I have only one missing which is rip current and wiki says that it is his call but I have chosen poseidon's call multiple times

[latent moon]

well

[calm zenith]

It's just rare

[latent moon]

you need his call to get rip current

[high island]

I recommend just looking at the codex in-game to see the specific requirements for each legendary boon.

[calm zenith]

Well not rare. Just keep trying.

Take more Poseidon boons to clear his pool

[high island]

Or wiki.

[worldly harness]

what does that mean

[calm zenith]

Go for a Poseidon run basically

The call is the prerequisite for rip current

[latent moon]

it means exactly what it means
rip current is a boon from poseidon and you need his call first in order to get offered rip current

[calm zenith]

Rip current modifies the call

[worldly harness]

take as many pos boons as possible?

[calm zenith]

So you cant get it without the call

[dull niche]

hmm no this doesnt sound true

[latent moon]

aren't you degening slay the spire or something

[worldly harness]

oh so If i dont have the call equipped I can't find it

[raw herald]

The only game is slay the spire

[worldly harness]

then i have to get the call early on

[latent moon]

oh right that makes sense

[calm zenith]

Yeah if you focus on Poseidon and take the right boons, you can raise your chances of eventually getting a specific boon in a run

[worldly harness]

ok thanks

[calm zenith]

Tfw you just designed a sts character

If I knew what could be modded in Hades I'd try some ideas out too

Just remember some Poseidon boons can reappear

[high island]

I usually side with you on things, but I finally got Ayaka in Genshin today, so... bye bye Hades. 🏂🏽

[calm zenith]

Like the one that gives you gold and stuff

Dont bother taking it

It will just reappear and potentially open up his 2nd legendary

Which you get automatically as an event

The fishing one

Also avoid taking stuff that opens up his legendary

[worldly harness]

?

[latent moon]

just avoid sunken treasure and ocean's bounty i think

[calm zenith]

Basically just fill your cores, take Poseidon boons that dont actually contribute to anything, and you will eventually probably get rip call

Yeah

[worldly harness]

wait aren't legendary boons just rarer boons?

[calm zenith]

Yes

But they have requirements

Same as duos

[worldly harness]

oh

[calm zenith]

Legendaries just require specifics from that one god

[latent moon]

to add, take razor shoals in particular because that has a higher chance of showing up

[calm zenith]

Yeah take that early

Take tidal dash early for dmg imo

Pom it lots

Avoid opening Poseidon duos too

That's why you mostly want Poseidon cores

You dont need to fill all your cores. If you are offered a core that will open a duo, probably just avoid it

[latent moon]

not filling cores kinda hurts tho

[calm zenith]

True

That's why I suggest tdash

[latent moon]

because you're just permanently going through 2/3 options

[worldly harness]

I have darker thirst on the rail now

[calm zenith]

Yeah

[worldly harness]

So im going for it

[latent moon]

i'm just trying to think of an aspect that can start pos but can get away with filling cores with junk that doesn't open duos

[calm zenith]

Gilga lol

[latent moon]

no lol

[calm zenith]

Tdash time

[latent moon]

prob beo

[stone rune]

HESTIA

[calm zenith]

Yeah flood shot will do well

[stone rune]

HESTIA 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪

[calm zenith]

Do clockets hestia

[latent moon]

well beo specifically because you can take demeter without getting blizzard shot

[calm zenith]

Tempest flourish

[high island]

Literally anything with Tidal Dash start lol.

[calm zenith]

Yeah I was thinking about demeter too

[stone rune]

i mean for what they shoudl do for rail

[latent moon]

i mean yeah but not opening duos after that

[latent moon]

wrong reply lol

my bad

[calm zenith]

Oh. What should they take from Eurydice?

[stone rune]

oh i see

[calm zenith]

I dont think Eurydice will help much either way in getting rip current, but she may help the build.

Maybe you get a heroic tdash?

[worldly harness]

Is hestia that good? should I upgrade it all the way?

[latent moon]

yeah

[calm zenith]

Hestia is strong yeah

Just an unusual playstyle

[stone rune]

BEST ASPECT IN THE GAME💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪

[latent moon]

adspect

[high island]

I feel like y'all are trying to make too much of a science out of just take Poseidon's Aid for a few runs until you get Rip Current lol.

[latent moon]

yeah lol

[calm zenith]

I find it awkward to use with dash strikes at least on controller

[latent moon]

ofc we are

[calm zenith]

Auto aim makes it go in directions I dont want

[mint hatch]

Hestia loves leveling up

[calm zenith]

That was just a recent run I did with Hunter Dash and a Chaos boon though

[high island]

My aspect leveling guide is pinned in #h1-for-new-players.

[calm zenith]

So I felt inclined to always dash strike

[worldly harness]

hestia is so ugly tho lol

[calm zenith]

Use Eris then

Good for your tdash and call too

Aim for rockets/clockets

[worldly harness]

no I meant the way it looks

[calm zenith]

I know

Eris is cool though

[high island]

Philistine.

[worldly harness]

I just upgraded hestia to lvl5 so im using that for sure

[calm zenith]

I would recommend you rebind reload

[latent moon]

is hestia really that ugly? i thought it just looks boring lol

[calm zenith]

Put it on a button you can easily reach

[latent moon]

and eris is ugly

[calm zenith]

Eris is gnarly

I like it

Best looking aspect is clearly GY

[latent moon]

arthur kinda neat

[high island]

Imagine calling other looks boring when you're literally bananas.

[latent moon]

glowy shiny sword

[latent moon]

i never said bananas weren't boring

[calm zenith]

Yeah. Big visual effect too

And its useful

[latent moon]

real recognizes real

boring recognizes boring

[raw herald]

Hestia is lovely wdym

[latent moon]

i mean it's boring in like a good way, it's not outstanding but it's def not bad

looks nice

but nothing stellar

[high island]

Hestia does look pretty, but it also does look more boring the more runs I do with it.

[stone rune]

hestia looks great

eris is disgusting

lucifer looks cool

[latent moon]

spaghetti plate beowulf

[worldly harness]

I finished the rdr2 recently and whenever I see arthur's aspect it reminds me of arthur morgan

[stone rune]

zagrail looks weird

all the fists look the same

[latent moon]

gilga:

[stone rune]

zagbow is cool

[latent moon]

i think i like the design of gilga but i dont remember what it looks like lmao

[stone rune]

chiron is cool

hera is cool

rama is eh

shields all cool

spears all cool

[latent moon]

beo is ugly

[stone rune]

poseidon looks god awful

i have no idea who decided that weird ass head was a good idea

but it's weird

[high island]

Probably Poseidon.

[latent moon]

that's why poseidon traded it in for a big ass trident

[stone rune]

has someone done a no movement keys run

oh right achilles exists

boring

[latent moon]

so does bull/dragon rushing

[high island]

Yeah.

Every pad player.

[stone rune]

i was gonna do it with arthur

[latent moon]

dash nova arthur

[stone rune]

oh right

dash nova

[high island]

Most Malphon players also don't press movement keys.

They hold Attack and mash Dash.

Abandon Dash Nova. Embrace Snap Nova.

In the final test branch they did, Dash Nova did, I wanna say... 70 base damage? I wish they had kept that.

That felt pretty good.

[worldly harness]

Hestia + deadalus hammer -> triple bomb, seeking fire, hazard bomb

which one should i choose

[stone rune]

hazard

you should special every 2 shots

[worldly harness]

ok

[high island]

To be clear, you can press Special and Reload at the same time.

So you're using your Special every other Reload, pretty much.

[worldly harness]

wait what happens if I choose delta chamber with hestia

no reload

no stronger attack?

[stone rune]

you can still reload

it's just utterly useless

gives you iframes on dash strike and that's it

[worldly harness]

ok then

explosive fire or ricochet fire

[stone rune]

ricochet

[worldly harness]

explosive is kinda useful for bosses

while ricochet is for clearing rooms

[stone rune]

hammers on hestia go clockets > hazard > ricochet > piercing > explosive > targeting system > random garbage

[stone rune]

not really

explosive is minorly useful in room clear

and doesn't do anything on bosses

[royal widget]

hazard over rico?

[stone rune]

yes

[royal widget]

hm

[stone rune]

hazard is huge for room clear

[stone rune]

ask zyru

[royal widget]

ah yes

[stone rune]

what

[royal widget]

i dont know any of these names

[stone rune]

hes the hestia guy

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1019DSLlyHwg7_oIiN3Il-NUYdHEbl783G7ZvstFSCD4/edit#heading=h.uqayxm3hjri4

wrote this

[high island]

Ricochet is great for boss fights, too.

[worldly harness]

the only boss fight that I'm careful about is the hdaes

[royal widget]

might be placebo but delta chamber + constant dash striking feels like 4-burst

[stone rune]

it does

[high island]

That works out; it's great in that fight, too.

[stone rune]

you can hide behind pillars and the shots can ricochet around

[worldly harness]

With who? Those few wretches he calls one the first phase?

Oh or with the things that make your blood boil

[high island]

With all of that.

[royal widget]

why does ME feel better on gilg than the others

[high island]

Your Dash-Attacks chain faster and you have more dashes.

And you can inflict Maim on bosses for another +25% damage on your Doom.

Doesn't make it actually better, but I presume that's why it feels that way.

[balmy ginkgo]

aspect of chiron is really nice

feels strong af

is that the best bow spec?

[stone rune]

it's the worst

[balmy ginkgo]

r e a l l y

how is that?

[stone rune]

it is super slow and does not deal damage to enemies

[balmy ginkgo]

interesting

i never tried it at high heat so i wouldnt know but it feels strong at 5

[stone rune]

everything is strong at 5 tbh

[balmy ginkgo]

what about hera?

[stone rune]

hera is the fastest aspect

[latent moon]

i mean it's the "worst"
it just falls off for speed and heat

for casual play and just doing whatever, it's pretty good and safe to use

[stone rune]

but also i hate it

and it is annoying

[raw herald]

not anymore :)

[stone rune]

of the bow ‼️

hestia is naturally the fastest aspect in the game

[latent moon]

Where sub5

[ripe forge]

I can't gift both death god and chaos any more presents

I guess I have to trigger a quest or something

[stone rune]

you have to do their favor

[rustic vale]

It’s the worst

I’m over an hour late as per usual

Chiron is slow

And the other bows all out perform at high heat iirc

yeah

The only category in which chiron wins out is build skill floor

You hit em once with your shot and you can just special from there

You don’t need to be consistent with your dash strike power shots or hit the cast button a bunch while still attacking

[balmy ginkgo]

uh, in the shop menu

is left what i need to PAY or what i GET?

its not clear