h1-discussion

[rustic vale]

Bro is thirsty

[radiant vale]

i mean

that's the purpose of aphrodite

that's her job

[rose trench]

I thought she was the goddess of love (and lust) in general

She isn't really trying to seduce common mortals right?

[radiant vale]

but mortals do want to have a close up look of course

that's just a common Aphrodite moment

[rose trench]

Fair I guess, she is supposed to be the pinnacle of beauty after all

[radiant vale]

I JUST GOT THE WRONG DUO BOON

TWICE IN A ROW

[stone rune]

this is why we don't open duos we don't want

[rose trench]

I like opening duos

[latent moon]

or we take it the first time so the next time you dont get it

[rose trench]

But now I've realized half of them are kinda bad ngl

[latent moon]

lmao

yeah

you dont want to open unwanted duos

[royal widget]

i once got athena lego instead of ME in the last styx room

[latent moon]

lmao based

[stone rune]

the only real duos are smair heart rend mirage ME deadly reversal low tolerance and hunting blades

[latent moon]

curse of nausea is good for heat

when you start dio you just look for either aphrodite or ares, whichever comes first

granted doom on special or atk could be bad depending on the aspect, but vengeance is still on the table

[rose trench]

Yeah that seems about right

Sea storm seems kinda nifty if you primarily are using zeus and have poseidon for your dash or something

[latent moon]

yeah well

tdash doesn't open sea storm lol

you'd need like any other core

it's not a bad duo, but it's not really something to aim for

if you see it you take it but it's just whatever lol

great for dash only tho!

[rose trench]

Oh dear god no I'm probably gonna beat hades with every weapon up to heat level 8 before I even try dash only

[latent moon]

lmfao

[rose trench]

On a different topic I just leveled up the Aspect of Chiron to level 4

What's one way to build around it

[latent moon]

dio on the special, aphrodite on the attack

get low tolerance duo

it's good for consistency since all you need are poms on hangover

also % specials kinda suck on chiron unless you have concentrated volley

if you know youre gonna start with conc volley, you could start artemis special, find aphrodite attack, and get heart rend

even if you have dio special and get offered conc volley later on, it's still the best hammer choice because nothing else is that good lol

the only other options are piercing and relentless

piercing is aight, does funky stuff to your range tho
relentless is decent, you're already doing 7/8 stacks with lvl 4 chiron so it doesn't really matter

[rose trench]

Concentrated ramps up really quickly because the +3 damage stacks on top of each other right?

[latent moon]

yeah

also fun fact

conc volley combos with epic swift flourish

so you can chain 3 volleys together that ramps up damage as long as you get epic swift flourish

actually 4

4 volleys that all ramps up damage continuously

[dire tendon]

why only 4?

[stone rune]

you have to reapply the thing

from chiron

to make it home

[latent moon]

i think you need heroic for a 5 chain

but yeah you have to reapply the mark for chiron

[dire tendon]

ohhh

[latent moon]

it's barely short of a 4 volley in a single mark, common swift strike will work but it won't do the funny conc chain

although most of the time you dont really want to do all 3 right away mostly because you gotta get out of danger lol

but hey if you get conc volley and epic swift flourish, just phase them

can't instaphase because chiron's slow as hell

but it's pretty neat!

[rose trench]

Oh god imagine conc and relentless volley

Thats gotta be the chirom equivalant of clockets

[stone rune]

i mean

clockets does damage to your enemies

[latent moon]

i mean it technically is but it's nowhere close to the damage clockets can get lol

[stone rune]

so clockets and conc relentless are pretty distinct already

[latent moon]

with epic swift flourish it's prob is more damage for chiron in terms of dps but also that's only relevant to bosses lol

and also ideally you'd instsaphase with clockets + a bit of supplementary damage

probably

idk

i dont use eris

[calm zenith]

Am I the only one that really just doesnt like Chiron?

[stone rune]

no

it's super annoying

[calm zenith]

Just doesnt seem to have much synergy

[latent moon]

a good chunk of the "hardcore" community dont like chiron lol

[stone rune]

and it falters at dealing damage

[calm zenith]

Yeah

[latent moon]

i mean it's not bad it's just not as good compared to others

[calm zenith]

Its mid

[latent moon]

yeah

[stone rune]

top 24 aspects for sure

[latent moon]

it's a very average aspect

[calm zenith]

I would still recommend players unlock hera over it thoigh

[latent moon]

yeah ofc

[calm zenith]

Less blood needed

[stone rune]

hera doesnt need blood

chiron does

[calm zenith]

I know

[latent moon]

but a lot of newer players like chiron because of the homing ability

[rose trench]

Yeah pretty much

[calm zenith]

That's what I said. Hera is a better early aspect to rely on for early wins imo.

Yeah

[stone rune]

like chiron is easier but low blood requirement isnt a reason

oh wait

i cant read

i thought you said unlock it over hera

[radiant vale]

sus

[rose trench]

I'm getting bored of using demeter fists over and over so I'm trying to play something different

[calm zenith]

Play Talos

Talos is sick

Add in cast, focus on cast

[radiant vale]

use demeter fists with demeter boons

[calm zenith]

It's not amazing but its fun

[latent moon]

why can't you use not fists

[stone rune]

use HESTIA

💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪

[latent moon]

or are you sick of playing dem fists whenever you do use fists

[calm zenith]

Talos is a good aspect it's just a weird one

It kinda suffers at aoe

[stone rune]

it's good to the extent that like hades is good

[calm zenith]

Yeah

[latent moon]

it suffers from a longer and slower special lol

[stone rune]

as in not very

[rose trench]

I think 80% of my runs over this week were dem fists

[stone rune]

the special sucks

[calm zenith]

It's a good fists+

[stone rune]

and it ruins fiery

[rose trench]

Actually screw that it's probably 90%

[latent moon]

other weapons exist

could just

not use fists

[rose trench]

The remaining 10% was me messing with gun

[calm zenith]

Yeah the special is eh but it worked for this. Poseidon special.

[stone rune]

use GY

[rose trench]

I like gun

[calm zenith]

Do a gun cast run then

[rose trench]

I'm probably gonna max out eris

[calm zenith]

Small brain eris or big brain lucifer

[stone rune]

why

you know what rail aspect you should max?

[calm zenith]

Eris is good

[stone rune]

HESTIA 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪

[latent moon]

tmw eris is a castpect but no one uses it as a castpect

it is funny to take slicing shot on eris with artemis special and get hunting blades tho lol

[calm zenith]

Eris is a callspect

Eris is a dashspect

Love global dmg

[rose trench]

Also now that I think about it I should probably stop trying to stick artemis into EVERY run that I do

[radiant vale]

jazz moment

[calm zenith]

Artemis is solid

Crits are very strong in Hades

[radiant vale]

3x base crt dmg

[calm zenith]

Not that hard to guarantee often

[radiant vale]

that crap is insane

[calm zenith]

4.5x with heart rend

[radiant vale]

and you get a bunch of base rate simply by using memesus and artem boons

like 50%

[latent moon]

i mean some builds it's just not great to force in but artemis is pretty solid

[calm zenith]

Mark is also just really good

[rose trench]

Thats not my issue honestly it's more that I think I'm making the game stale my choosing the same gods

[radiant vale]

pUt ArTeMiS iNtO lUcIfEr

[latent moon]

i mean you can

on the special

[calm zenith]

Bad vs Dad but like it invalidates Champs

[radiant vale]

fair

green heatbomb haheahaea

[calm zenith]

Lucifer is a castspect

Snow burst to blow up your specials

[radiant vale]

ok

[calm zenith]

Some casts too but when I did this I had Trippy Shot

[latent moon]

can't you just get a dash

[calm zenith]

You can but snow burst helps hit them in a wide area

[latent moon]

so does tidal dash lol

[calm zenith]

Snow burst is a wider area isnt it

Besides your cast also triggers them

The special and cast line up well

It works

[latent moon]

could just not use your cast while you're using luci and dash around

[calm zenith]

You can do both

[latent moon]

doesn't mess up your combo or stop you from moving

[rose trench]

Ok so I can take rocket bomb on eris still

That seems like it'd ruin the point of the aspect though

[calm zenith]

The more you can trigger your specials the better

[latent moon]

what how

just get in their face

[calm zenith]

Having more control over them is good

[latent moon]

so just... dash into them? you have plenty of control already

no need to use snurst

[calm zenith]

It just helps

[stone rune]

casting makes you stop in place and do a cast animation

[calm zenith]

It's like greatest reflex

[latent moon]

that's not really comparable you do realize

[stone rune]

reflex is actually useful especially on rail

[latent moon]

snurst stops you from moving and attacking/using special

[calm zenith]

Kinda is. You dont need more than 2 dashes.

[stone rune]

what

[calm zenith]

And does cast dmg

[stone rune]

on rail +dashes is huge

[stone rune]

holy crap lois

[calm zenith]

I know

[stone rune]

i just did 50 damage

[latent moon]

but you have no reason to use your cast on luci

[stone rune]

ignore the fact that i'd have put out like 100 already by holding attack

[calm zenith]

What if you get a good cast and want to

[latent moon]

if you want to sure but you dont have to

[calm zenith]

Snow burst + cast does more than 50

[latent moon]

most players dont

[stone rune]

why r u getting a good cast on luci

[latent moon]

a lot easier to just not

[calm zenith]

It's not that hard

[stone rune]

like who r u taking it from

not arty

not zoos

not pos

[calm zenith]

I'm referencing a time I got Trippy Shot

[stone rune]

isn't trippy just straight up bad

in that scenario

because no boiling blood

like

you'd rather put poms in jolted

so you're dealing like 100 base instead of dealing 50 more each special on bosses

[royal widget]

i like arty cast just for increased speed for boiling blood

[stone rune]

and luci would take stygian wouldn't it

[calm zenith]

I didnt have Zeus special. I forget what I had.

[stone rune]

what

you'd have zeus atk

arty special

[calm zenith]

Zeus special Lucifer is cheap

[stone rune]

luci takes %

[calm zenith]

Yeah but I didnt have that either

Yeah I just didnt know which way you meant since bolts on special turns them into proximity mines

So you dont even need to activate them yourself

[muted glen]

Exactly its funny

[stone rune]

and then when they det they do a whole like 5 extra damage

instead of, say, critting for 420

[calm zenith]

Lucifer special does like 60 base dmg doesnt it

[stone rune]

100

[calm zenith]

Yeah. So you arent hitting for 5

[stone rune]

extra

thunder flourish is like

[calm zenith]

Crits are rare too.

[stone rune]

nothing

[stone rune]

you put out 3 bombs

[calm zenith]

I'm not saying it's good. It's just an effect.

[stone rune]

that's a

48.8% chance of a crit

assuming you have no marked or anything

[calm zenith]

Maybe. Still dont know why you're assuming I had Artemis special. It was probably Aphrodite or even Demeter since I had sburst

I mostly do bad builds on lucifer

[radiant vale]

saucy Backah

[calm zenith]

It's just not very good imo

[stone rune]

what's not very good

[calm zenith]

Lucifer

[stone rune]

lmfao

[latent moon]

luci is just hard to play good tbh

[stone rune]

"i mostly do bad builds" "it's just not very good"

[calm zenith]

I've done good builds

[stone rune]

theres a reason rowo is the best owo

[calm zenith]

It's just fun for like doom stacking or sea storm

[latent moon]

iirc bow is pretty close behind lol

[stone rune]

chiron fake

[high island]

You know... if there's a Chiron.

Is there also a Chiharry and a Chihermione?

Or maybe it's just their family.

Chiron, Chiginny, Chifred, Chigeorge...

[muted glen]

💀

[high island]

Important questions at 7 a.m. with no sleep that need answers.

[radiant vale]

oh no

deep philosophical questions that made me scary

[radiant vale]

whats the Doom combo stat in Merciful End's buff description

[sour fog]

exta 40 damage

when you trigger doom through deflect

so if you have merciful end but don't use it Doom will do same damage as if you didn't have the duo, if you trigger the doom damage prematurely through deflect it will do extra 40 damage

[radiant vale]

goddamn op

[royal widget]

wait EXTRA?

omg

i thought it was flat 40 upon deflect

[sour fog]

if you have doom that does 120 then if you trigger it through deflect it will do 160 instead

[rustic vale]

That extra term is important btw, it doesn’t get multiplied by crits or additive

Just like hoarding slash

[brisk trail]

a friend just watched me play some hades and they showed me a meme and said this must be how hades feels when u use that thing ( i was using the sigil of the death) and i couldnt stop laughing

he showed me the how dare u use my own spells against me potter meme

[royal widget]

i mean yeah

taste of his own medicine

[jovial forum]

why does zagreus have that little stone thing

whats the lore behind that

[sour fog]

it's a blood stone

he makes it from his blood

[jovial forum]

😨

[rustic vale]

His dad thought him how

[radiant vale]

he can't really die anyways

so he figured that he'll just shoot blood anyways

[jovial forum]

thats gross

why does his blood effect
ther

[radiant vale]

idk man

but all the status effects

say

"boiling blood"

so that's that

that stone thingy actually boil's enemy blood

[jovial forum]

i gott go

[radiant vale]

ok

have a nice day with than

[royal widget]

he's the god of blood

[jovial forum]

HE IS?

i thought he awas the god of my nuts

[royal widget]

no that's bophades

[rustic vale]

Tbf Dad can also cast and inflict boiling blood

And iirc correctly it’s stated or implied that Dad tought zag how

[stone rune]

if i recall correctly correctly

[brisk trail]

His dad trows skulls though

[rustic vale]

That’s dad casting

It literally inflicts boiling blood just like yours does

[royal widget]

"I'll boil your blood" he says

[rustic vale]

Dad’s boiling blood is also stronger

[royal widget]

where?

[rustic vale]

+100% damagep

[rustic vale]

One of the entering a run messages

[royal widget]

oh well

[rustic vale]

“Hades: "Now, fling the blasted thing again, I said! And put your anger into it, this time, like so. Or if you've not enough anger for it yet, you'll learn, I promise you."”

P sure it’s implied to be bloodstones

[royal widget]

oh i got that one just yesterday

[dusky topaz]

Learning Good Riddance on the guitar, and it ain’t easy hoes

[jovial forum]

i love hades music

[woeful trout]

Hades is just you but stronger in a lot of ways

A lot of his moves are just mirrors of what you can do

[jovial forum]

why can he teleport

[stone rune]

who

dad?

[thorny mirage]

p sure that’s also in the journal entry for bloodstones

[radiant vale]

why can't i do Diobrando's favor

[thorny mirage]

With all this in mind, as well as due to appearance I suppose, do bloodstones take their name. The Master himself keeps several of them, perhaps for therapeutic reasons. He has even taught the prince the way to make their crimson facets ignite in an angry glow.

[radiant vale]

I've gifted 10 Sussy Rectangle Botttles away

and forged 6 Bonds

why isn't Diobrando letting me unlock his gauge

[stone rune]

because he's a big fat loser who takes 5 years to give you the dialogue

better than ares and poseidon though

[rustic vale]

I believe storywise he goes invisible but it does count as teleportation for the purposes of removing status effects and avoiding damage

[jovial forum]

qhy does he do that

[stone rune]

to make you lose time because he stinks

[jovial forum]

he does

[stone rune]

i love getting instadarknessed x3

[radiant vale]

how the hell does dionysussy stay in perfect shape anyways, the guy drinks like 18,4 gallons of wine every day

[jovial forum]

like the hydra

[stone rune]

he's literally a god

[jovial forum]

i was just gonna say that

[rustic vale]

Something something in the myths he has a helmet that makes him invisible

[jovial forum]

he can look however he wants

[radiant vale]

gods has the system of body fat too

[stone rune]

they have ambrosia

or no what

it's ichor i mean

although dionysus ichor ambrosia content probably pretty high

[thorny mirage]

yeah the helm of darkness

[radiant vale]

hey what about the funny sigil that dad lets you use during his own fight

that turns you invisible too

[thorny mirage]

Yeah

And guess who gives us the ability to turn invisible?

[stone rune]

but there you have the courtesy of letting dad hit you

[thorny mirage]

Hades

Same as the other godly calls

[radiant vale]

well hades lets you become invisible to fight hades

top 1 suicide moments

[thorny mirage]

well he can’t die permanently afawk

yet

[jovial forum]

holy crud its real

ythat spare wealth thing from a few days ago?? its real??

i just got it

its when u take a pom but dont have any boons

[radiant vale]

i finally maxed fated persu today

[storm vine]

Is there mods for this game?

[latent moon]

yes

OlympusExtra adds in hestia and apollo, i believe they're working on more

the speedrun modpack is used for speedrunning and high heat

there's a few others, but those are the more well known ones

[storm vine]

Is there something like hollow knight mods witch has scrab

Like a single page for mods

[latent moon]

https://www.nexusmods.com/hades

[storm vine]

Oh thank

[latent moon]

idk if the speedrun modpack is on there, but if you're interested in using it you can find it on speedrun.com under resources

[storm vine]

Is there anything that’s free?

[stone rune]

?

[storm vine]

Mods

[stone rune]

that is free

idek of anything paid for this game

[latent moon]

all the mods are free afaik

you do have to make an account to install them i think, and there's different levels of memberships but you can just use the free one

[storm vine]

I’m stupid I thought I needed premium

[royal widget]

what if swapping to abyssal blood made Dad cast have the same effect on you

[latent moon]

moving slower would suck a lot lol

[jovial forum]

zag looks goofy with malphon

he too tiny for this

?? why is this certain door thingy glowing more than normal

[stone rune]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1028112977100017666/1085998240488501248/image.png

guess what's on that right exit there

bet you can see it

[jovial forum]

huh

looks to be posideon and artemis

[stone rune]

yeah....

[jovial forum]

and

your cast is byartemis

:)

[latent moon]

is this still beo lmao

cshot start?

take arty lol

is it right? no clue

[stone rune]

see the dialogue?

[latent moon]

but do it anyways

oh chaos

[stone rune]

[latent moon]

lmfao

it's c3 tho

can skip chaos

[stone rune]

i spammed e

[latent moon]

oh lol

this is why we check doors regardless

[stone rune]

do u check the other ones if ur in aspho with one of those 3 exiters that are far apart and the one you see is eury

assuming like c19 or something

[latent moon]

if i see any free room i take it at that point

[stone rune]

first arty had but no mirage yet

[latent moon]

because it's just way too hard to find

not find

but like

too long to check

[stone rune]

i hate that one

[latent moon]

as soon as i see a free room on any of those doors i'm taking it

but if there are none i do check

i'm pretty sure dashing over lava is faster but idrk lol

i think generally there should be a midshop there at least

[stone rune]

oh uh

eury vs midshop when no mirage is eury right

[latent moon]

i'm assuming you have the duo open right

[stone rune]

yeah

[latent moon]

uh

[stone rune]

my goal is to never play a mirageless lernie

[latent moon]

is your arty charge still up?

because the next room after eury or midshop should be arty miniboss

could take midshop, gamble on seeing pos/arty in the midshop and then arty miniboss

or eury into arty miniboss

prob eury

stops timer, can get better hermes as well

[jovial forum]

i had theseus to like 7hp

bros lucky i lagged

[bold dome]

No way Zachary Levi played Hades while filming Shazam 2

So cool

[stone rune]

why

why are shops like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GXyf7Z7glk

[calm zenith]

Yeah I would always take Eury when duo hunting

[tropic shadow]

Does someone know if the Infernal Arms have any ethymology behind their names?

[stone rune]

they don’t appear to

can’t find any major roots for coronacht

[hexed smelt]

My assumption for "Coronacht" is a portmanteau of "corona" (Latin for 'crown') and "nacht" (German for 'night'), at least

[sour fog]

I mean it's called the heart seeker, and coronary arteries are the ones connected to the heart

so that's my thinking

don't know how you get seeker in there though

[jovial forum]

is it just me

or does zagreus get mad the more runs you do?

cus i feel like zag's voicelines rn are ANGRY

[rose trench]

for the most part I always visit her if I'm able to

[calm zenith]

They do. He gets more confident.

"Fear is for the weak."

That's what I get a lot at 500 deaths in

Which apparently gets a Hypnos dialogue

[rose trench]

I find it funny how it took me about 50 runs iirc to get my first win but after that the next 5 or so runs were all consecutive wins

[calm zenith]

Its mostly timing and a few cues Hades has

Even on EM4 Hades is slowish

[rose trench]

I feel like Hades gets progressively less pissed at zagreus the more times you get to him

[jovial forum]

why does hades hate zag so much again?

[rose trench]

he just seems to accept it as another job he has to do

[jovial forum]

like

[calm zenith]

Way faster but you need the attack speed heat for him to get really scary.

He doesnt hate him eventually

[jovial forum]

but why now

[calm zenith]

At first it's just plot stuff you will get revealed

[jovial forum]

i havent gotten to the surface in 15 runs

[calm zenith]

How many clears have you had

[jovial forum]

i just started

[calm zenith]

This is all explained

[jovial forum]

and im high as HELL right now

so i am not doin good at all

also fun fact if u walk over cobwebs in the corners of tartarus they disappear

WHY DO I ONLY HAVE 7 COIN??

[rose trench]

not enough obol

[calm zenith]

Holy this Arthur special build is actually really good

[stone rune]

arthur special builds are very funny

[calm zenith]

I got all special hammers on an opening hammer

I got epic swift flourish, epic deadly flourish, a rare +88% special dmg chaos boon

Just rapidly critting for 1000

Wish I got a good second hammer but the special hammer offered was dash nova ugh

I wanted super nova or greater consecration

[rustic vale]

Just anvil into both

Savescumming is cool

[calm zenith]

Should I swap to a heroic heartbreak flourish?

I have a rare mark (unpommed)

But no pp

I can reroll once and potentially get heart rend.

[rustic vale]

What’s the +% difference

Between the 2 flourishes

[calm zenith]

157%

I have deadly flourish

[rustic vale]

I would prolly take heartbreak for the consistent big damage but whatever you feel tbh

[calm zenith]

Heartbreak will probably just be more consistent right?

Yeah

[stone rune]

well

do you have doulbe nova

[calm zenith]

Maybe I get PP

I have double nova

[stone rune]

that makes crits more consistent

[calm zenith]

That does make deadly better

[stone rune]

that's a

36% chance of at least one crit

[rustic vale]

1-.8*.8

[stone rune]

that's what i did

[rustic vale]

36%

[calm zenith]

I also have epic swift flourish

If that matters

[stone rune]

yeah deadly is probably better

unless

well

what's the %s right now

[rustic vale]

Total +% from all boons

[calm zenith]

110% + 88% and the heartbreak is 267%

[stone rune]

also im pretty sure consecration onyl affects the aura

[calm zenith]

Yeah but the aura means I can fight sloppy

I have 20% dodge

[stone rune]

idk do whatever you want both are big number

[calm zenith]

Yeah

[rustic vale]

Both are big number funny

[calm zenith]

I'm gonna try to get heart rend still. I have passion dash

[rustic vale]

One is just more consistent

[calm zenith]

Nope. Oh well. Different League is more tanking

[zenith sand]

Is the dlc good

[stone rune]

what

[rustic vale]

Hades DLC real

[calm zenith]

How do I save scum. Got an anvil

[stone rune]

buy it

if you dont like it

quit out

buy it again

[calm zenith]

Quit is blacked out isnt it

[rustic vale]

Buy anvil
See what it took, if you like it, take it, if you don’t, hit pause immediately and then go quit out of the game (in the pause menu), head back in, and cast once, buy anvil, repeat, casting (or summoning) one more time each time

[rustic vale]

No

[calm zenith]

It is for me

[rustic vale]

It shouldn’t be

[calm zenith]

I'm on switch so who knows

[rustic vale]

I play on switch

I’ve done this an unreasonable amount of times

[calm zenith]

Oh okay I get what you mean

[rustic vale]

Buy anvil
See what it took, if you like it, take it, if you don’t, hit pause immediately and then go quit out of the game (in the pause menu), head back in, and cast once, buy anvil, repeat, casting (or summoning) one more time each time

[stone rune]

did you buy something else too

it only works if the only thing you've bought is anvil

[calm zenith]

I couldnt quit out

Oh well

[rustic vale]

That is wierd

[calm zenith]

I bought a pom

I got what I wanted from that run

I lost double nova and got super and something else

[rustic vale]

Rip

[rustic vale]

Savescumming works for eury and bouldy btw

[calm zenith]

I just wanted to see if it works and it does, surprisingly well.

[rustic vale]

Note that savescumming gets very time consuming very fast

If you don’t get what you want early it could take ages because you have to cast and summon more each time

[native blade]

Does Ares’ call synergise with the Blade Disk passives?

[stone rune]

ares call synergises with nothing

[native blade]

That’s… Garbage…

[stone rune]

well i mean

it's literally the only blade that works as intended with vicious cycle

it probably works with all the others

ares aid just overall is garbage

[rustic vale]

Afaik yes

But also ares call is ares call so I never pick it up

[rose trench]

eh i dont think its that bad

[rustic vale]

Actually

The passives definitely work

Because ares aid is a prerequisite for them

[rose trench]

my last run actually had ares call and it dealt a fair deal of damage

[rustic vale]

Ares call is like

Just use zeus or dio if you actually want damage

and use athena or aphro if you want defense

[rose trench]

it wasn't the call I wanted but it still worked

[rustic vale]

It isn’t really good

It shoots your dps in the foot

Because you can’t take your actions anymore

If ares aid is doing good dps relative to the rest of your actions something is wrong with everything else going on

[rose trench]

I think that was the run where I got doom stacks for 800 damage iirc

so yeah actually it probably did shoot my dps in the foot

[rustic vale]

And if you’re looking for defensive calls, athena and aphrodite offer it without taking away your actions

Also I always forget sigil for dps but sigil is good for certain builds

Like hera and beo

[native blade]

Does purging duos change the chances for getting other duos.

[rustic vale]

in the sense that it opens the duo up again

like if you purge merciful end but are looking for deadly reversal, it means that any athena boon that rolls up a duo has to pick between the 2 to show you

Whereas if you kept ME it would only have the 1 option of deadly reversal to show you

[rose trench]

wait a minute does doom special bow work

[rustic vale]

Not well

It works in the same manner that literally anything can work

[rose trench]

I guess it was a bad idea to get doom on my m1 then

ah but it does open up nausea

[rustic vale]

What’s your hangover source?

[rose trench]

Special

I'm using chiron

[rustic vale]

K you said doom special bow and I figured you meant doom on special

[rose trench]

Well yeah I was wondering about that

[rustic vale]

Doom on strike works… almost equally as bad

[rose trench]

not on chiron though

[rustic vale]

unless you play merciful end

Wdym not on chiron

Aphrodite strike still preferable

[rose trench]

I was saying that in reference to my last message

sorry for the miscommunication

[rustic vale]

Curse of vengeance is a better way to get curse of nausea

Aphrodite strike for low tolerance gives you a better duo and a better strike boon

[rose trench]

already got low tolerance

ah whatever it doesn't matter too much anyways I'm probably gonna win this run anyways

good thing to know for next time though

[rustic vale]

Also getting curse of nausea from curse of vengeance means you aren’t opening up curse of longing

Which will get in the way of finding both CoN and LT

[rose trench]

yeah thats a fair point

idk if it's even worth going for curse of nausea in a hangover build by this point since that forces you to take ares

[latent moon]

it never is unless you find him naturally

[rose trench]

now that I think about it in general ares isn't really that good

[latent moon]

some builds don't want to take ares attack or special, so getting CoN through that isn't really great

but if you happen to get offered curse of vengeance and you're doing a hangover build, you might as well

[rustic vale]

His builds really focus on himself

[latent moon]

gets in the way for LT ofc, but it's still a decent duo

[rustic vale]

And then hangover builds take him if it’s natural

Synergises with LT though

[royal widget]

hunting blades and ME are pretty crazy though

i should do a better hunting blades run later

[rustic vale]

Both together is a 2.2 multi on your hangover damage

[rose trench]

how good is hunting blade's tracking anyways

[rustic vale]

Good enough

It tracks enemies faster then crystal clarity

Which isn’t saying much but still

[royal widget]

crystal clarity is good enough

[stone rune]

cant crystal clarity track em3seus

[royal widget]

speaking of, how do you make a cold embrace build?
or whatever aphro/dem duo is called

[latent moon]

Very

[rustic vale]

Idk

[rustic vale]

Right name, play a regular game with an aspect that plays with aphro strike, pick up meme beams and cry about lossing boiling blood while ignoring cast

[royal widget]

WHAT

[rustic vale]

?

Oh are you trying to make a legit build rather then just taking cold embrace for fated list

[wintry moat]

I just lost my win streak because hades teleported about half a screen with his spin and hit me, twice in a row

[royal widget]

yes lol

i have all prophecies complete

[wintry moat]

this isn't he only time i've noticed wonky hitboxes etc. Movement with mouse / keyboard feels awful. It /looks/ like from the videos i've seen on youtube that controller movement is more exact.

[latent moon]

I mean controller will always be more exact but kbm movement is still pretty good

And also dad hitting twice with a single spin can happen yeah

[wintry moat]

I think this depends on the game. Using hollow knight as an example there are some things that I prefer doing on controller (like pogoing) but I don't feel like I have less control.

[wintry moat]

No he straight up teleported. It looked like he dashed while spinning but it wasn't his normal range

[latent moon]

Well I meant in regards to hades

[wintry moat]

he was near the north pond and I was near the south pond he was winding up at the north pond and dashed while spinning all the way to the south pond and hit me

[latent moon]

Was this em4

[wintry moat]

nope

I wish I had a recording, it was 100% a bug. His sprite wasn't moving normally.

[latent moon]

Ngl I don't fully remember his movements off the top of my head but that sounds like something that can happen

Oh if his sprite is weird then idk then

You sure you had empty dashes

No dstrikes are anything

[wintry moat]

Yeah that's why I'm fairly sure it was a bug. I'm not using "teleported" as an exaggeration. He literally teleported. I'm guessing he dashed or something

and yeah

super lame way to lose my win streak :/

if it had happened once I'd be less pissed but it happened twice in a row.

I'm guessing it has to do something with how I was distancing, idk

[latent moon]

If it's twice it's less likely to be a bug tbh lol

[wintry moat]

kbm doesn't, really doesn't feel that great imo. There's other little things that keep this from being a 10/10. The hitboxes on some stuff is wonky, or certain angles are wonky.

[wintry moat]

This hasn't happened in any of my other few dozen clears. It's specifically happened with the way I was playing the fight with spear.

[bright gull]

uh achilles is gone how do i get him back

[rustic vale]

Do runs

[latent moon]

Plenty of top players use kbm, it's just a personal preference of kbm vs controller

Hitboxes are fine, the isometric view kinda makes things a bit hard to see but it's whatever

Also I'm pretty sure all the top high heat Zeus players all use kbm

[royal widget]

for some reason i can never switch input methods on games i play
shooters always kbm, elden ring controller, hades kmb, celeste controller

[stone rune]

kbm is perfectly viable and feels fine, it's better for aiming

piss

christ almighty dyno leave me alone

[rose trench]

Goddamn I do love when a satyr tries to poison me but I deflect their poison back on them

[royal widget]

"we have hangover at home"

[wintry moat]

I never said anything about not being viable.

I've already cleared a bunch. I just said it feels bad.

[stone rune]

https://clips.twitch.tv/FriendlyHotReindeerPicoMause-Wm1E2zASj-c2pv_w https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/787779476888354816/837389736909209600/kbmAchillesAutoAim.mp4

[latent moon]

I mean like I said it's just personal preference
Both controller and kbm have high accomplishments in the game

Just pick one you like

[rustic vale]

true!

[rose trench]

chiron really does feel pretty good to use

[rose trench]

ok well I got to skip the old man's boss fight

he knew I couldn't be stopped

[royal widget]

splendid

[rose trench]

oh hey now Zagreus is formally employed

[calm zenith]

I'm playing with severe drift on one of my switch joycons right now. It just barely matters because its isometric.

Just use whatever you are comfortable with and you will do fine

Eventually maybe rebind some controls

[latent moon]

what matters more is if you practice what feels good

[calm zenith]

Like for gun or whatever

Yeah

I rebound dash to R to make dash strikes easier

Reload on ZR

[latent moon]

i think most players rebind for rail

and castpects

[calm zenith]

Yeah

I just keep cast on X though

Idk if that is default

This setup doesnt require any changes practically speaking.

[royal widget]

i swapped cast and special

it really only hurts on beo/hero obv

and completely manageable

[calm zenith]

Cast shouldnt hurt to use. It's very useful.

Even Boiling Blood is worth using on bosses and minibosses

The hardest to use is probably Achilles

Because you need to use a lot of buttons

[latent moon]

then swap it to something more convenient when you use beo and hera lol

[latent moon]

achilles is pain to go fast lmao

[royal widget]

achilles is quite hard
i had my first attempt recently

[calm zenith]

I lost a 100 streak on Achilles

A really good crush shot build too

It was very funny

I took em4 and auto aimed into the pots too much

Lost like 2 lives thanks to that

Then I'm just not good enough

[dire tendon]

does the aphro/ares duo allow you to stack the consecutive doom applications boon infinitely?

[muted glen]

Technically, but you have until the doom hits to stack it up

[dire tendon]

wait why so

[rustic vale]

no

[dire tendon]

like doesnt the duo make it so doom stays after it hits

[rustic vale]

That is not how it works

[stone rune]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/787779451865399368/1086144938854600735/image.png

[muted glen]

Ive never used it lmao

[rustic vale]

Basically, if the doom drops, it comes back up with 50% damage

[muted glen]

Ahhhh

Ok

[rustic vale]

And

If you hit them with another doom boon

[muted glen]

That makes sense

[rustic vale]

It’ll override it

So in effect

Curse of longing ends up being pretty useless

[latent moon]

its only niche is in hit and run builds

or in a vengeful mood build i guess lol

[rose trench]

I just got rocket bomb on eris

[royal widget]

best hammer

[rose trench]

I'm finding it funny how I bomb the wall every 5 seconds so I can absorb the special now lol

[royal widget]

i do love flurry fire though

[rose trench]

well looks like I now have access to clockets

[bright warren]

Do my various rugs that I’ve bought count for Dusas favor?

[glossy coral]

I think so

[calm zenith]

Rockets are really good on Eris yeah

Because you just play in melee range now

And absorb the point blank blast

Lines up naturally with cluster

[radiant vale]

i keep not getting merciful end

frick

[calm zenith]

Try targeting it better. Keep other boons out of the way and use Eurydice

That's the best way to "force" a duo

Keepsake 1 keepsake 2 then eurydice's third option on a boss boon for 1 or 2.

Or potentially earlier if you get god 2 in tartarus naturally

From experience, you probably wont get the duo you want in Elysium or Styx unless you really take too many boons

[stone rune]

but it's also a good idea to fill your pool

don't take more than 3 gods till you see athena ofc

but taking extra gods to make it more likely to see the gods you want is good

on ME you probably want non pommable gods

[high island]

I almost never do that.

[stone rune]

i just read the guides

[high island]

Well, it's good to at least know about.

[radiant vale]

question: Is 13:43 a good time for someone who is new to speedrunning

or is it bad and i should do it again

[stone rune]

i mean if you’ve done like 5 runs it could be literally anything

my first few runs were at like 830 but i had already done 50 heat and boonless mirrorless 33 at that point

[radiant vale]

i've did a couple runs, that's the fastest i've get i know it's crap

[stone rune]

you’re relatively newer

so presumably you have less overall experience

at this point you’re going to be getting minute pbs like it’s nothing

[radiant vale]

i have a history of sucking at roguelikes

so

[limber ether]

well you're not really using any roguelike skills when speedrunning

[radiant vale]

I suck at these games lol

I've not played any games like Hades likely

mainly just turn based games or strategies

WHY DO NEITHER DIONYSUSSY NOR HERMUSSY GIVES THEIR AFFECTION DIALOGUE

[radiant vale]

finally

dionussy gave me that diologue

[radiant vale]

I finally found the hades speedrun dc lol

https://discord.com/invite/zN7cc8Z

sure hope this doesn't break rules

[rustic vale]

It’s already pinned in #self-promotion

[radiant vale]

oohhh

Change my mind: Dad would be much harder if he just dashes more

like us

[rustic vale]

if dad had dashes we would be done

imagine all the dps from dad dstrikes

[royal widget]

if dad had clockets

[lapis harbor]

I’m not entirely sure what the best way to play Beowulf is

I tend to intersperse full dragon rushes and specials

Rarely if ever using the basic attack… is that right? Lol

[rustic vale]

uh

Basically just dragon rushing

You find charge shot and don’t even fully charge it

Focus on the cast damage and cast #

[lapis harbor]

Huh. It’s pretty unwieldy eh

(I’ve won on 32 heat with it but it feels so awkward. I do like it though)

[royal widget]

shield special sucks

except on Zeus

[lapis harbor]

It’s super slow, yeah

There are 58 total prophecies?

[radiant vale]

any builds for demfist that's not merciful?

[lapis harbor]

I mean.. sure, pick any of the big duos or legendaries and go for it lol

Zeus attack & legendary with any special is fun

[royal widget]

explosive upper

aphro/arty special

[rustic vale]

Smair or hangover

Either one puts aphro on special

Zeus on strike for smair, dio on strike for hangover

And then for smair you’d pick up zeus or dio call

Hangover would take zeus aid once you find low tolerance

Preferably anyways

[royal widget]

smair is auto call charge right?

[rustic vale]

Yup

You can also just

Play around with whatever you think will work

exploration is nice

[radiant vale]

who's you guy's favorite character? Mine's achilles

[high island]

Lady Aphrodite, of course.

Nobody else is even in that conversation.

[silver mica]

Wine Daddy™️

[silver mica]

Come onnn, you gotta have someone else as a contender surely

For me it's Dio and Chaos

[high island]

Most certainly not.

Questioning the faith of the high priestess and apostle of Lady Aphrodite.

[silver mica]

I supposed figuring it out would mean merely researching which god or character was closest or worked closest with her then

[high island]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/630312677855461377/921086921747353651/W5NAKRF-1.jpg

[silver mica]

Hey, hey, I ain't questioning no faith but I'll try use some semantics here

Apostle of Lady Aphrodite, the Goddess of Love

Love is a subjective concept, no? Therefore opinions and such retain validity, cause love is rarely a case of 1 + 1 = 2, or 2 + 2 = 4

So... your own opinions and such still may [to a minute extent] may perhaps carry even the slightest regard for another, such as perhaps maybe someone else who oftentimes works closely with Aphrodite?

Idk if what I said makes sense but we're rolling with it

[silver mica]

Like perhaps Ares, for example

[high island]

You'd make sense if you just accepted what I said as fact. There's no contender. There is only Lady Aphrodite.

[glass adder]

No, love is a mechanism of natural selection to make humans breed and stay together to raise children

[silver mica]

Isn't it a bit of both in a way

[glass adder]

Not really

Your parents love you because you have their genes, you love them for the same reason

[rustic vale]

🤨

[radiant vale]

love is also why i, you probably, and nearly everyone everyone here doesn't have a girlfriend

[glass adder]

Wuuut

[radiant vale]

truje

not lying

[silver mica]

My one proud moment of not being the 'nearly everyone':

[radiant vale]

wow

[silver mica]

Aphrodite came in clutch with that one

After beating me into critical condition she came in clutch

[coarse hare]

so concludes the life and times of sisyphus😔

[rose trench]

ok i just revealed guan yu

[cobalt ibex]

Just beat a run with demeter fist and double legendary boon Zeus and Poseidon. Sparkles and water everywhere, I never had so much fun.

I also came to Eurydice place and I was very pleased that ||she was singing In The Blood with Orpheus||

[rose trench]

how hard is it to play with extreme measures

[rustic vale]

Em1 and em2 aren’t much adjustment

Em3 and em4 are more adjustment

[rose trench]

yeah I might try those to fill out my heat meter

oh hey come on that wasn't even a curse word

ah whatever

yeah I was just saying I feel like the bosses have gotten so much easier for me to deal with now

[strong ridge]

a misstep can kill you qucik in em3 but i tend to prefer it since thessus essentially takes himself out of the fight

[rose trench]

doesn't theseus ride a chariot in em3

[royal widget]

theseus is much easier to avoid because of it

and they don't combo which is nice

[thorny radish]

Does anyone know the specific story event that causes EM4 to unlock

[rustic vale]

Asterius is much more annoying in em3

Has a beyblade move that invalidates melee aspects

[rose trench]

buy extremer measures from the house contractor

[gray apex]

Normal ending

[rose trench]

yeah you have to get to the true ending of the game and then buy extremer measures from the contractor

forgot to mention that part

[manic vine]

Heyo I'm back

[high island]

Hi back.

[jovial forum]

isnt it

once you get tis in a run you're more likely to get than?

@stone rune

[stone rune]

no

than only can appear after you've seen alecto and tis

[jovial forum]

gra
ok

[stone rune]

after that your fury doesn't matter

[jovial forum]

so AFTER its complete rng?

[stone rune]

yeah

[jovial forum]

ok thanks

hope u had an awesome day btw!!

[stone rune]

well i woke up late

apparently i missed half an hour of class

but the rest of it should be good

u too

[jovial forum]

anyone else notice that zagreus does a fist pump everytime he catches a fish? :3

[manic vine]

I'm trying my hardest to get s good merciful end run but it's going bad

[jovial forum]

what chamber is the last one in asphodel again @stone rune

[manic vine]

I think 22?

[jovial forum]

im on 22

[manic vine]

Ah

[jovial forum]

meh

yup

[stone rune]

22 is the last combat in aspho

12 is last combat in tart

34 ely

next chamber is a free room

chamber after that is a boss fight

[jovial forum]

thanks

i think its funny when hades has nothing 2 say after u beat a realm

than's keepsake is insane after tartarus man

[stone rune]

it's kinda a watered down shackle

[jovial forum]

i got an achievement for his keepsake

yippe

[jovial forum]

yeah but sisyphus isnt my BOYFRIEND

[stone rune]

wow

i didnt get that first time i tried it

[jovial forum]

yeah

its uh
for getting 30% increased dmg

anyway

cursed slash
flurry slash
cruel thrust

which one

[stone rune]

wow

well

[jovial forum]

yeah

[stone rune]

do you do the thing with the dashstrikes

[jovial forum]

idk im relying on my special bc the first hammer i got gave me uh

[stone rune]

if you dash strike cursed slash is awful and flurry slash is bad and cruel thrust does nothing

but if you're still doing the attack combo

flurry i don't think is that bad

[jovial forum]

cursed slash is garbage jfc

i took flurry cus it was on my list

[stone rune]

cursed slash only works for meme runs with flurry slash

[jovial forum]

am i SUPPOSED to be leveling up my call as much as i am?

[stone rune]

well

depends

what call do you have

[jovial forum]

ares

not amazing but i like it

[stone rune]

the only call that's both worth taking and needs poms is dio

ares is probably the worst call in the game

[jovial forum]

😐

wow

rude

uh

/nm

OK

" hear me on MY authority " instead of " in the name of hades " IS ...

[high island]

So does that make it an awesome day then?

Hypnos would love it, m sure.

[stone rune]

i guess so

[jovial forum]

i love hypnus too

[native blade]

Fair, Beyblade is funny.

Tell me if u get any good passives on it.

[jovial forum]

black metal

gOD i hate theseus

[jovial forum]

and engulfing vortex

[silver mica]

Run ruined

Took a gamble on anvil

Got both cursed slash AND dash nova

[stone rune]

quit out

you can quit after anvilling

wont save the anvil

overall anvilling is just not worth it

especially on sword

where anvil can easily give you hmmers that actively make your dad fight worse

[jovial forum]

:(

i like dash nova

OFF TO FIGHT MY FATHER!

[stone rune]

dash nova is really bad because it completely screws up your rotation and can make you jump into a pot or something

[silver mica]

I'll just stick it through and take the loss

[stone rune]

i mean

[silver mica]

Didn't have a streak and wasn't that dedicated to this run anyway, build was neh

[stone rune]

cursed slash literally just takes away 60% of your health for nothing

[silver mica]

Meh*

Dog took me out

[jovial forum]

i died :(

😮‍💨

did they make this harder???

or am i just
worse

me and my boyfriend last night were aweing over the detail put into hades
skelly's arms are floating, therefor his shadow also has floating arms.

[silver mica]

Build almost complete for this run

Hopefully I can get

Explosive shot

That'd make my day

I GOT IT

Dear god still barely made it

Lost all 3 defiances on phase 3

[manic vine]

Well Hades almost nuked my PC

Styx's poison got so bad it even got to my computer

Time to not even for a while.

[rustic vale]

Cruel thrust is the only one that doesn’t negatively affect you plus takes 2 of the negative hammers out of the way for your second hammer

[high island]

You can try these steps in #h1-tech-fixes to see if they help: #h1-tech-fixes message

[manic vine]

Tried a few things already, my computer's living

I don't think my save is, though, but I don't mind too much. Run sucked big time already.

I almost spoke too soon

[high island]

Easy enough to just do a new run anyway.

One thing I love about Hades is the runs are like... not too long but not too short.

[manic vine]

Same here

[royal widget]

i should be able to fight twice as much of everything for double rewards in half the time

[high island]

Then you just gotta press buttons that much faster. That'll do it.

[rustic vale]

True

And press them harder

Pressing buttons hard is a good way to guarantee you do more damage

[wind notch]

Mirage shot +crystal beam is fun

Just let it melt the enemy

[ocean imp]

I just basically spammed cast against final boss just now and uh wow

the rail isn’t my fave but I somehow got greater recall + true shot + exit wounds

[high island]

lol well that'll do it.

[ocean imp]

yep and Athena greater call meant I could just stand there and chunk off hp it was interesting lol