h1-discussion

[calm zenith]

I swear the boss saryr does some guncada stuff and can shoot his poison barrage through or around a shield

This may just be me noticing Beowulf's weird angle but I think I've seen it on Chaos too

I love a good hangover build tbh

Bad Influence to boost the hell out of Hangover and all other dmg, maybe even Splitting Headache

Is it amazing? Not really. It's good enough though and you'll get like 200+ hangover crits easily

[latent moon]

non-beo shields are blocked right in front, beo has a wider block angle on one of the sides

[calm zenith]

Yeah. I dont know what's going on

[latent moon]

but both will block from the front fine

[calm zenith]

But I've seen it a few times. Basically parallel to the boss

[latent moon]

was the satyr right in your face

[calm zenith]

Not near my hitbox no

No clipping through. There was some distance

[latent moon]

if it's to the side then that would explain it

[calm zenith]

Yeah

[wintry moat]

any guan yu tips?

[calm zenith]

That's the most realistic explanation

[latent moon]

that's not really hitting through the shield, it's just weird

isometric view prob

[calm zenith]

Do you want it easy or fun?

[latent moon]

#h1-discussion message
guan yu guide by nyaanyaa

[calm zenith]

Easy is avoid spins and just use the special

Fun can include spins but that's harder

Ideally if you spin, you shoot your special into the blade whirl

But just charged skewer on guan yu is amazing

[wintry moat]

also: I'm looking at a hammer for guan is triple jab decent?

[calm zenith]

No

[latent moon]

what are the other options

[wintry moat]

Triple jab vs serrated point vs winged serpent

[latent moon]

also the guide lists out hammers

serrated is funky

[calm zenith]

I would suggest serrated but thats also hard

[wintry moat]

yeah I don't like the reduced dash space, I'm not good enough for it

[calm zenith]

Serrated is very strong and guan yu dash strike builds are good

Fair

[wintry moat]

I'm also on m + keyboard so positioning is already my least favorite part of this game

[calm zenith]

You're probably not going to like guan yu then

[latent moon]

kbm isn't that bad for positioning

[calm zenith]

Triple jab is probably the easiest option but it isnt very good

[wintry moat]

Yeah I just wanna finish the proph. I haven't liked spear or sword that much tbh

I'm kinda unsure how / when to use special

[calm zenith]

Achilles is very fun

[wintry moat]

it takes so long to charge

[latent moon]

for guan yu?

[wintry moat]

yeah

[latent moon]

play it like weird bow

[calm zenith]

Always use it

Yeah

[wintry moat]

huh

[calm zenith]

With your dash

[wintry moat]

okay, so Imma take winged serpent then

since I wanna avoid stuff

[latent moon]

for bow you always need to give yourself some distance, so do the same with guan yu

[wintry moat]

"weird bow"

[latent moon]

wait what

[calm zenith]

It's also not good but its fine

None of those hammers are good

It happens

[latent moon]

i mean guan yu is literally not a bow lol
just treat the special how you would play a bow basically

[wintry moat]

and I haven't farmed enough darkness to run the reroll yet, oh well

[calm zenith]

I recommend Aphrodite or Artemis flourish

You can never reroll hammers sadly

Except one rare item that is sold in Styx

Replaces 1 hammer with 2 random hammers

Only way to get 3 hammers

1 random hammer*

[latent moon]

not technically a reroll unless you save scum it lmao

[calm zenith]

Yeah

It's just the closest thing

I should do a GY run even though I'll totally die

I just did a good Nemesis run and I still got to 0 dd

[wintry moat]

oh cool 2 death defies in the first boss because I have ~41 hp. Neat.

[latent moon]

what level is your guan yu

[wintry moat]

1

[latent moon]

yeah that explains it

-70% healing and hp isn't very fun

[calm zenith]

Yeah you arent gonna win

[latent moon]

well

you can

[calm zenith]

You can sure

[latent moon]

it'll just be a pain in the ass

[calm zenith]

But I wouldnt bother with this unlock with base GY

[wintry moat]

oh cool so I have to dump like 15 titan's blood into this spear to finish achillies

[calm zenith]

Yup

[wintry moat]

lame

[calm zenith]

Its annoying that they chose a hard aspect for it but yeah

[latent moon]

wdym by "finish achilles"

what's that supposed to mean

[calm zenith]

Dialogue clog

[wintry moat]

^

[latent moon]

you need to get a clear with guan yu to do that??

[calm zenith]

I assume they are removing this dialogue so that the relationship dialogue can conclude

No

It just shuts Achilles up about it and potentially frees up dialogues

It's faster. I wouldnt bother doing this for that though.

[latent moon]

i dont remember him talking about guan yu except like the waking phrase

[calm zenith]

Idk the specifics

Just my guess

[latent moon]

just play the game idk lol ignore guan yu

you'll be fine

[calm zenith]

Yeah

Do it when you can actually make it functional

[latent moon]

unless you're trying to do like a 0-100% completion in one sitting thing

[calm zenith]

Probably the most blood dependent aspect in the game

Depending on skill really

But still

[latent moon]

yeah i was gonna say

technically not blood dependent if you git gud but also git gud kinda hard

[calm zenith]

Most people still arent able to use base GY. I couldnt.

[latent moon]

i cheated and used the speedpack

[wintry moat]

yeah this is so far the least fun aspect I've touched

which is odd, Arthur was a lot of fun

the most fun I had on sword so far

[latent moon]

guan yu is funky

[calm zenith]

It's a fun aspect if you get used to it

Very fun really

But it's a hard aspect

[muted glen]

Its really hard without experince tho

[calm zenith]

Yeah

You need to know how to time spins right if you arent just using special

[muted glen]

Yeah

[calm zenith]

Just special is more managable.

But also a lower skill cap

So you can still do better and like never need heals if you're good with spin

[muted glen]

Yeah

[calm zenith]

Or you can do dash strike builds

[latent moon]

spin build can be fun only if you get quick spin

[calm zenith]

Fair

Doesnt attack speed+ help

Flurry strike

[latent moon]

uh

[muted glen]

Is high confidence good for guan?

[latent moon]

you can't get flurry on guan yu first off

[muted glen]

Cause of the lifesteal

[latent moon]

swift strike i doubt would help

[calm zenith]

I mean the Hermes boon

Yeah

[latent moon]

would you like to start the run off with 25 hp

and maybe have a chance at quick spin lol

[wintry moat]

yeah I'm abandoning this, this isn't fun in the slightest

[calm zenith]

If you are fine with that sure

[muted glen]

I mean its not too hard

[latent moon]

i mean true but also could just not do a spin build

[calm zenith]

Yeah

Special builds really do a lot of dmg

Zag aspect ones too

[muted glen]

I just want to keep my streak of hades defeats

[calm zenith]

You just need 2 hammers on Zag aspect

But at max its silly

Massive throw range

[latent moon]

zag bow special build

[calm zenith]

I mean zag spear

[latent moon]

oh lmao

[calm zenith]

Explosive + charged hammers

[latent moon]

"just need 2 hammers" idk if thats sarcastic or not lmao

because at that point

clockets eris is right there man

[calm zenith]

I'm serious. It's more a bucket list goal

Why not have multiple things to do

I just did beo cod

It was good

[latent moon]

the issue is more of how unlikely it is to get the 2 hammers you want

[calm zenith]

I know

It's a bucket list thing

[stone rune]

hypermodded gaming

[calm zenith]

I've done sea storm lucifer

Stuff like that

Sea storm special rama

My favorite

Or even like the special build you can get on Beowulf

Idk if that's 1 or 2 hammers. Last I tried I couldnt get the first one.

[latent moon]

if you want to do a special build on beo it's just charged flight

[calm zenith]

Alright yeah. You cant get explosive return?

[latent moon]

you can but that's not really important at all

[calm zenith]

Or the ricochet one?

True

[latent moon]

neither is that

[stone rune]

wasnt that the meta at some point

[latent moon]

yeah when charged flight did 400% instead of 200%

[rustic vale]

“Just need 2 hammers” 🤨🤨🤨

because it’s that easy

I mean it is that easy if you find anvil but otherwise

[muted glen]

Yeah one good hammer is all you get

[rustic vale]

Good that rng manipulating anvil is a thing

[muted glen]

Ive done like 30-40 runs on the rail and only once have i ever got rocket and cluster

[rustic vale]

You should be able to go from literally any hammer combo into clockets if you find anvil

[muted glen]

My anvil rng is ass

[rustic vale]

That’s the thing

You don’t rely on the rng of one anvil buy

you keep buying until you get it

You can rng manipulate the anvil odds in your favour

It’s just tedious

[covert oracle]

wait wut

[rustic vale]

It is uber tedious

Buy anvil
See what it took, if you like it, take it, if you don’t, hit pause immediately and then go quit out of the game (in the pause menu), head back in, and cast once, buy anvil, repeat, casting (or summoning) one more time each time

[covert oracle]

oh...

[muted glen]

Damn

[rustic vale]

that will alter the rng of the anvil

[covert oracle]

that does sound tedious

[rustic vale]

But it takes forever if you don’t get it early

[muted glen]

Yeah only doing it if i get something worse

[rustic vale]

That would work for eurydice as well btw

And heart of stone from bouldy

I’ve unironically rng manipulated heart of stone before

For Januarys monthly challenge

[muted glen]

How

The same insta quit thing?

Once i unlock bouldy il try it

[wintry moat]

Hera bow is so much fun

[wintry moat]

the demeter call is BS edit: during the heroes fight

[calm zenith]

Damn the GY run went reslly well

175 hp, heart rend setup (deadly flourish), divine dash, +3 dashes, hyper sprint, and almost got smair. Hammers were quick spin then charged skewer.

[radiant vale]

ok i just got a 2320 damage crit

what the hell

[muted glen]

Crits are 3x damage

I belive

[radiant vale]

ye

[rustic vale]

Unless you have clean kill or heart rend

[radiant vale]

then it's like even more damage

[rustic vale]

Yup

[stone rune]

unless it's clean kill

in which case it's like 1 more damage

[wintry moat]

Question: I have 9% dodge from the feather, if I change from feather to something else do I lose the dodge I've built up so far?

"Unequipping the Lambent Plume between levels will remove the stat bonuses accumulated until that point, and stats are automatically reset between runs. "

nvm

[stone rune]

Yes

[wintry moat]

wait can you get 100% dodge?

does 100% dodge make you immortal?

[stone rune]

well

it's like

pretty damn hard

[muted glen]

In theory

Yes

[stone rune]

i think the game might have a 5% built in hit chance?

read that somewhere

idk ask cgull

maybe nyaanyaa knows

haelians probably done some max dodge runs

[muted glen]

Yeah justcposted one

[wintry moat]

over 20% dodge this run with lambent, it's fun

also flurry with achilles spear and zeus is silly dps

[radiant vale]

Aynuss

[still spear]

Y'all isn't there like an ending where you ||unite all the gods or something? i remember i stopped playing after Zag's mom came back and it became his job to try and escape.||

putting it as spoiler just in case

[stone rune]

dont needa spoiler here

but yes that's the epilogue vaguely

[still spear]

oh okay

i was thinking of doing a 2nd playthrough to refresh my memory of the story

since i missed that epilogue i might as well, thank you!

[wintry moat]

is there a way I can change my seed before I start?

or at least the starting roll?

[stone rune]

kill yourself

you can change everything but the 1st chamber with manips

summon, cast, break pots

[wintry moat]

mmk so If I get a set of three hammers on chamber 1 I'll always reset to those hammers

[stone rune]

yes

[radiant vale]

Does Persephone has a phone

[stone rune]

no

the etymological root of the -phone in Persephone is not from the Ancient Greek phone as sound, voice, speech, language

because it's not actually a -phone

it's a pers-o-gnt?????-eh

or something

which means like

lady corn killer

[polar sable]

alr thanks, i'll start grabbing them for the first few levels of some boons, and avoid them later on

until i learn all the scalings

[radiant vale]

she's jsut perse then

[rustic vale]

Yes

Temporarily

[rustic vale]

No

[worn crag]

can you explain this in fortnite terms

[stone rune]

so

ninja

chug jug

[worn crag]

ohhhhh why didnt you say so?

[high island]

That's her gamer tag.

[glass adder]

It means bringer of death

[noble quarry]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1069822685531623424/1084077630405496893/20230311_123714.jpg?width=313&height=662

plush and nendorids look nice

[silver mica]

Common Jazz W

[stone rune]

By Aphrodite, new Nyaanyaa pfp

[high island]

Indeed.

[glass adder]

Ew

[rose trench]

hey

I think my build is really working well this time

I wonder if I should purge killing freeze

I didn't read correctly and missed the part where it said every enemy on screen has to have chill

nevermind can't purge it anyways

[rustic vale]

Killing freeze is good

[rose trench]

also it's kinda scuffed that i have quite a few on crit effects but my crit rate is absolute crap

a bit of a shame that i can't share the screenshot

[rustic vale]

you can

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/795659377755422742/1027412687799468042/IMG_2293.png

[woven widget]

How come Chaos sometimes says a special line when i complete a chamber?

[rose trench]

oh wait i have to upload it to discord first?

[woven widget]

i.e. "I summon you"

[stone rune]

if there’s a chaos gate they’ll say that sometimes

[rustic vale]

Are you currently using the aspect of chaos on the shield

[woven widget]

is it anything special?

[rustic vale]

Not anything special

[woven widget]

nah im using stygian blade

[woven widget]

god damn it bruh

[rustic vale]

there are a few reasons why you’d hear chaos

[woven widget]

i just dropped a daedulus hammer for a friggen boon of chaos

[rustic vale]

Anywhere that’ll get you an image link

chaos > hammer

[woven widget]

oh actually

[rustic vale]

That game wants you to see hammers

Chaos is less likely to be found

[woven widget]

i feel like i see chaos all the time

[stone rune]

god i wish i was u

[rustic vale]

and also chaos chambers are free rooms

[rustic vale]

Wish I was you

[stone rune]

me with my 0 chaos in styx like

[rose trench]

https://imgur.com/a/TagjMXH

does this work

[rustic vale]

Yup

That’s certainly a build

[rose trench]

well at least I have pressure points now

[stone rune]

where ME

[rose trench]

but it was kinda funny i had so much on crit effects but no reliable source other than cast

[woven widget]

like it feels like i see chaos once every run

[rustic vale]

once every run isn’t all the time imo

[stone rune]

that’s not a lot

[rose trench]

ok that 4% universal crit chance really made a huge difference

[rustic vale]

The 4% chance giving you hunters mark

[rose trench]

yep

[woven widget]

its probably more then

[rose trench]

https://imgur.com/a/EN5Lufl now here we go thats the final build

im taking the sc now because I don't have high hopes in my ability to kill hades

[rustic vale]

Dang no poms on mark

[rose trench]

yeah it was a pretty late boon

[rustic vale]

🤨

[rose trench]

my only source of weak is from the dash but somehow that seems to be adequate

[rustic vale]

passion dash is good enoigh

Few builds actually pick it up though

Like crit builds on zag bow and nem and maybe just as your aphrodite core to open smouldering air

Crit builds on zag bow that use triple shot*

[rose trench]

well i guess it was adequate

[woven widget]

fantastic ive p much lost my run

[rose trench]

just killed the old man

[woven widget]

lost 2 DD in elysium

what is everyones feelings about DD anyway

[rose trench]

https://imgur.com/a/W4dk3dK

yeah the build just started with me thinking that doom attack for fists are pretty good and then I got a mini boss room for artemis on first floor and it got even more ridiculous from there

really good run

[rustic vale]

Wdym

[rustic vale]

Doom attack on fists is good, but usually built differently

[woven widget]

death defiance

[rustic vale]

No

[woven widget]

good or bad

[rustic vale]

Depends on heat

Good until you start running lc4

So all the way up til like 32+

[rose trench]

how is it normaly built

[rustic vale]

Doom strike -> divine flourish -> merciful end -> divine dash -> impending doom

[rose trench]

well yeah I was planning to build something similar to that but luck had different plans I guess

I was trying to get a pom for dire misfortune

[rustic vale]

You can’t pom dire misfortune

[rose trench]

oh ok that makes sense

impending doom really would've been nice

I'm gonna try to play with the gun

how would one typically build around that

[rustic vale]

any particular aspect of it

[rose trench]

I don't have the laser gun yet probably eris

[rustic vale]

tidal dash, zeus strike, aphrodite or artemis on special iirc, looking for rocket bomb and cluster bomb hammers

[rose trench]

I do have a slight bias towards artemis because I like crits

[rustic vale]

Zeus aid, static discharge, really whatever to add to the flat damage soup since eris has global additive

Avoid hazard bomb because it’ll lock out both rocket bomb and cluster bomb, triple bomb is a good cope pick if you don’t find cluster

[rose trench]

oh damn I don't have poisson man's keepsake

[rustic vale]

Dionysus?

hangover is pretty rad

[rose trench]

poisson is french for fish

I got poison man's keepsake as my first iirc

[rustic vale]

I knew that but I had assumed you had misspelled lol

Poseidon then

[rose trench]

alright this will be interesting

[woven widget]

Okay so my "dead run" was actually beaten cuz it turns out i didnt turn on extreme measures 4

[latent moon]

This is why we don't use em4

[rose trench]

admittedly less than stellar performance but thats just cause this is my third run with the rail

[stone rune]

use HESTIA💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪

[muted glen]

Not this again

[stone rune]

why would u not want to use the best aspect in the game

[muted glen]

It sucks for newer players

[latent moon]

well

hestia is very beginner friendly tbh

as long as you have the levels

[muted glen]

I find it isnt

Because you have to level it for it to dp anything

And thats alotta titans blood early game

[latent moon]

that doesn't make it not beginner friendly tbh

something not beginner friendly would be something that's mechanically difficult

like zeus shield

lucifer to a certain extent

guan yu

rama

hestia at the very basics is just "reload and attack" really

[toxic trellis]

Ye

The Shotgun Aspect

[latent moon]

obv you can min-max the optimization to hell and back, but you can do that with other aspects too

[latent moon]

more like sniper but yeah

[glass adder]

My forearm tendons are still hurt 😭

[latent moon]

what did you do lmao

[glass adder]

Played hades nonstop since i started it

[latent moon]

welp

that's unfortunate

[glass adder]

Yeah, I'm on a 1 day break now

Thought would be fine by now. In all my gaming years never got this serious 😂

[bright warren]

I lost to than for the first time today

[toxic trellis]

Bad pact?

[bright warren]

Nope, 0 heat super soaker build

[rustic vale]

Gotta love ap deciding I’m playing trippy shot instead of drunken flourish zeus shield

[stone rune]

=why we play HESTIA💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪

[rustic vale]

Because hesti is bing chilling if you get forced into trippy building

[stone rune]

hestia you don’t take dio lmfao

[rustic vale]

Wdym

[stone rune]

hestia ap1 free heat

[rustic vale]

Meta hesti is zeus strike, aphro special, smair and drunken aid

[stone rune]

you’re so real for this

[hollow timber]

so it's been a while, and I thought I got the ambrosia from the styx, but I didn't get the check so I could do more heat and get more titans blood

how do I get the check so I can go further

[stone rune]

uh

you need to do bounties

you get amb from heroes

furies and dad give blood

lernie gives diamond

[hollow timber]

I just mean the styx titan blood

cause i bought it there and I thought that's what it meant

[stone rune]

oh

uh

whats the question again

you should be getting from killing dad if you’re on a new heat

[hollow timber]

I did? I guess I didn't go back and get it from there, I just left through the door thing

I hope I just did that wrong so I can do that and progess

[dire tendon]

mfw i find zeus to be a very easy beginner aspect

you chuck out the disc and it speeeens

while you can play as normal

like optimally its very hard

[rustic vale]

zeus has a higher skill floor for effectively using the special then other weapons

[dire tendon]

but you dont need optimal as a beginner

[rustic vale]

or am I thinking skill ceiling

[dire tendon]

ceiling

floor is chuck it out and hold block while it procs onhits

very low

[rustic vale]

there is a very good zeus guide in high heat strategies

#h1-high-heat-strategies message

starting here going down for a while

[latent moon]

That's a fair point I suppose

But the other ones still stand tho

[dire tendon]

hestia lacking aoe is rough too

this is looking from the perspective of someone who doesnt know much optimal build paths or anything

so no splash dash

[stone rune]

hazard bomb:

[dire tendon]

these numbskulls wont know what hit em, i say as i watch the skies descend filled with fiery death on the horizon

then they dash out of the hitbox

nah i just find it clunky for traditional aoe

[latent moon]

i mean as long as you're not on a timer you could just take your time

and the special is good enough

as long as you dont get any nasty bp combos you should be fine

[wintry moat]

How good is stubborn roots? its feels super powerful but I'm new and on very low heat

[stone rune]

stubborn roots is like

it can be helpful

on your first heat accomplishments

it saved my ass on my first 32

but generally it’s not that great

[latent moon]

it's decent if you're trying to get a first clear, but once you get better at the game it's pretty mediocre

because at some point you won't need all DDs for the whole run, and if you do then that last 50% hp should be enough for the final fight

if you've used all DDs in like Ely then there's prob other issues lol

[stone rune]

does it work with lc4

[latent moon]

stubborn roots is like a bad band aid

[latent moon]

yeah

it's a decent pick up on high heat with lc4 if it's you're picking it up from demeter because 1) you can sell it and 2) it's nice if you pop SD early in a fight

[stone rune]

stubborn roots route 64

[latent moon]

you can't get stubborn roots if you have no DD/SD

[stone rune]

imo just have as

sd

[latent moon]

true

[rustic vale]

The healing it gives is super slow and higher heat is only going to make the extra healing matter less and less as you get hit for harder and harder and you have less and less time for it to regen you

[calm zenith]

Yeah dad just hits too hard

And later with higher heat so does everything else

[wintry moat]

what boons should I aim for with Guan Yu? (5/5)

[rustic vale]

Big +% special

[limber ether]

#h1-discussion message

[rustic vale]

and charged skewer

[wintry moat]

Rama was really interesting

I had power shot, twin shot, and my attacks were hitting for like 1500-2k fully charged

[latent moon]

sounds about right

[stone rune]

so uh

rn

just rolled twice for mirage in tart

i have strike lunge and assault on this c10 chaos

i have 1 roll

do i highroll it

never mind

god i hate tisiphone

how does an epic lvl3 mirage volley not instaphase rn

[radiant vale]

question:

Why is jazz sometimes so calm and analytical

and other times he's like he just had two full bowls of zaza grass

[stone rune]

she

[radiant vale]

no like fr i'm asking

also hazard bomb spam is op

[high island]

She.

[radiant vale]

what do y'all mean by "she"

[latent moon]

jazz is a she

[radiant vale]

oh

[native blade]

Ye, I ain’t even finna lie, I just saw the she/her pronouns too.

[radiant vale]

lol

[muted glen]

Yeah how do you get roles

[radiant vale]

I like the shade in the Asterius and Theseus boss

he's cheering for us

[muted glen]

The shade is goated

[native blade]

Yep.

[radiant vale]

fr fr no cap

[high island]

#bot-commands

[radiant vale]

"No-one can escape my realm!"
His son, 30 minutes later, clutching an actual military weapon with rockets: "ok"

[native blade]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/755677197670285312/1084360435375030374/IMG_5763.png

[radiant vale]

yes

God bless the people who planted the mandrakes in Temple of Styx

[native blade]

Ikr?

[radiant vale]

Why can't I dash through ceberus

I can dash through actual walls

Like canonically

and I can't dash through some dog

[native blade]

Because… It’s him.

Cerberus is him.

[stone rune]

because dawg has magic

[stone rune]

you’re not that guy pal you’re not that guy

[native blade]

but he is.

[radiant vale]

cerberus is the guy

impossible!!!!!1!!

[latent moon]

well you prob could technically but you didn't feed him, so he's gonna do his job and keep you out

[native blade]

https://tenor.com/view/hades-game-hades-gif-24067499

[radiant vale]

Why cant you do this in styx temple too

[native blade]

Ikr?

[latent moon]

because cerby is doing his job

be professional

[native blade]

Hades is the only reason I can’t pet my best boi rn.

Just another reason to kick his ass.

[radiant vale]

hey if hades old spear is Aspect of HAdes

what's his new spear?

Aspect of Thicc Hades?

[native blade]

It’s… Literally called Gigas I think.

[latent moon]

gigaros i'm pretty sure

[radiant vale]

Gigaros?

Ok

[native blade]

Ye.

[latent moon]

also where does it say "aspect of hades" is his old spear

because isn't it just like

an element of his spear

[native blade]

It is.

[radiant vale]

WHAT THE HELL

WHY IS PERSUATION SO DAMN EXPENSIVE

[native blade]

But would Gigaros have an aspect?

Because it’s that good.

[radiant vale]

Aspect of Spinny Spear Shoot Lazers

[native blade]

I personally choose Fauth tho.

[latent moon]

maxing fated persuasion is cheaper than maxing fated authority

[native blade]

Lel.

[latent moon]

that's just aspect of hades

[native blade]

Fair.

[latent moon]

i just read the codex entry and hades used to use varatha, so it's not exactly "aspect of hades is hades' old spear" but close

[native blade]

He’s clearly evolved his tactics since switching spears.

[latent moon]

he traded varatha for a much larger spear lmao

that's pretty much what it said

[native blade]

Well yeah, but it clearly does more than just being bigger.

[latent moon]

the tactic is big spear = more damage

[native blade]

Ok, but also spear laser?

[radiant vale]

Not if I beat you with varatha anyways

lol

[latent moon]

i dont think that's a spear thing

that's his like "call"

[latent moon]

your capability of dodging his attacks doesn't mean big spear can't do big damage lol

[radiant vale]

doesn't mean that big spear can dodge very well lol

if I dodge more attack I take less damage

[stone rune]

guan yu = dad spear

[native blade]

Ah.

[native blade]

Nah.

[radiant vale]

Why wont lazers spawn when I use the dad call in the dad fight tehn

[latent moon]

until em4, then he rushes to it

[native blade]

Cuz we’d clap his ass much eaaier.

That’d make a fun mod though.

[stone rune]

guachillesn yu

[latent moon]

apollo call is dad lasers pretty much

[native blade]

Lel.

I saw.

I meant Guan Yu mechanics in a Hades fight.

[latent moon]

oh that's what you mean

[native blade]

With the less health, more dmg and different spin move.

[radiant vale]

dad becomes chinese and shoots spinny beyblades

[native blade]

Lel.

[radiant vale]

Make Beyblades Spin Again

[native blade]

You see the intro to “Crouching Tigers, Hidden Dragons”

[radiant vale]

Bruh where's Hazard Bomb

I have not gotten that in 5 hammers

[native blade]

Skill Issue.

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-binding-of-isaac-isaac-rougelikes-rougelike-gif-26541159

[radiant vale]

Funny

[native blade]

I know.

But seriously, do u have Dark Reflection?

[radiant vale]

what

[native blade]

How much of the mirror u got?

[radiant vale]

I've got 7k dankness in

[native blade]

I meant what’s the last thing you can upgrade and buy in your mirror rn?

Do you still have more to unlock with keys?

[radiant vale]

nah i got all the keys done

keys are useless now

[stone rune]

do persuasion

not auth

[stone rune]

keys are very useful

[native blade]

Persuasion is better.

[radiant vale]

I know

I am

[native blade]

Fauth can get you more hammers…

Right?

[high island]

Only the Infernal Arms have that ability, and Gigaros isn't one.

[radiant vale]

sure that is risky

[stone rune]

definitely

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/857268448039927858/1084261728696676412/image.png

[high island]

The Aspect of Hades is the form that Varatha took for him when he wielded it against the Titans.

[radiant vale]

My skill issue ass

Just died to charon

[latent moon]

no

you can't get more than 2 hammers in a run unless you anvil

you can like

[radiant vale]

bro's rocket man fr

[latent moon]

see 1 sooner if you reroll a door in tart i guess

but you can't get a 2nd hammer until ely

and if you use dark foresight, there's a good chance you'll get your 2nd hammer in the first 3 chambers of ely

[stone rune]

i used to think hammer was guaranteed on first ely door

[latent moon]

same lmao

[stone rune]

because it happens so often

[radiant vale]

I didn't get no damn hammer on my first 3 runs

you guys are just lucky

[stone rune]

first run has no hammer

[latent moon]

first 3 runs of like the whole game?

yeah you dont get hammer until like 4th run

or 3rd

pretty sure 3rd

and like you start with it

[fair copper]

Same here. Same with Hermes on first door of Asphodel.

[stone rune]

yeah that too

[radiant vale]

And gem/dank on the starting tartarus door

[fair copper]

It has to be at least slightly weighted, right? No way that's coincidence.

[latent moon]

probably

idk

i'd be surprised if it wasn't

[radiant vale]

lol

[fair copper]

Does anyone else wish that the calculations/formulas/stats/etc were more transparent in a game like this? Like, I wish Supergiant would give us an actual source on numbers like that. I think that'd be awesome.

[native blade]

Ah.

[radiant vale]

What's the maximum Crit Rate you can get

On any attack

I'm thinking about around 40%

[stone rune]

100%

[native blade]

…

[latent moon]

i mean you have the %s in your mirror dont you

[stone rune]

pretty easy to get

[radiant vale]

oh yea lvl 90 or so pressure points 💀

[latent moon]

over 100% because of marked

[stone rune]

you just need some decent marked poms

[radiant vale]

oh

[native blade]

That’s not skill issue, that’s the Charon diff.

[latent moon]

it's a lot easier to reach if you use nemesis + arty attack

[stone rune]

epic lvl5 or something with an arty core should do the trick

[latent moon]

granted you need to hit that initial like 45% crit chance

but like that's almost every second hit

so shouldn't be too hard to get going

or could get a free 20% extra from deadly reversal

[radiant vale]

What about without mark

How is crit% no mark

[latent moon]

without would depend on how many pressure point poms you have lol

[radiant vale]

lets say around lvl 5

cuz that's the average per run

[latent moon]

idk is that like 7%?

[fair copper]

Epic is 4%, so...

[stone rune]

heroic 9

10

[radiant vale]

I'm thinking over 40% with the cast from Artem

[latent moon]

well disregarding pp poms, you can get 65% (temporarily for 2 sec because of deadly reversal)

[radiant vale]

What the hell's that anyway

[latent moon]

cast literally has lowest crit chance at 10%

[latent moon]

deadly reversal?

[radiant vale]

Oh i thought it's like 35%

[latent moon]

every time you deflect you get a 20% chance to crit for 2 sec

15% of that is deadly strike

30% is from nemesis

[radiant vale]

That's pretty good

[radiant vale]

Meme sus

[stone rune]

does nem crit apply to special

[latent moon]

i think it specifically says attack

[stone rune]

sadge

special has 5% higher crit

[latent moon]

deadly reversal is global tho

[radiant vale]

I think yes actually

[stone rune]

no

[radiant vale]

....maybe?

ye no

[fair copper]

Nah, nemesis sword is attack only

[latent moon]

i mean if it did, it wouldn't change much of how you'd build nem lol

[radiant vale]

whatever, balling with 45% crit is insane

[fair copper]

Special procs it, attack get the crit buff

lol it is

I feel like crit as a mechanic is something I pretty much always under-utilize.

[radiant vale]

that thing'll ass slap Hades

[radiant vale]

I always overrate it

[stone rune]

the crit a dealing 5 damage like

[latent moon]

there aren't many builds that center around crit

just like nem builds and heart rend chiron

[fair copper]

It's just such a specific build

Yeah

[latent moon]

and zag bow

[stone rune]

heart rend chiron??

sound awful

[latent moon]

conc volley

[stone rune]

i can’t imagine doing anything other than bad zagbow or hangover

[latent moon]

would still need some chaos additive tho

[fair copper]

Personally I like backstabby chiron XD

[stone rune]

seems sis

[radiant vale]

Sus

[native blade]

Nah, *sis

[latent moon]

hangover is generally used mainly because % specials rely on getting a specific hammer to be good lol

if you have conc volley, hangover is kinda just sad to use

[fair copper]

Boon of choice on chiron's special?

[radiant vale]

Memesus is my fave aspect actually

[latent moon]

prob artemis only because i can guarantee conc volley with speedpack lol

[fair copper]

lol

[stone rune]

nothing

[fair copper]

get out of here 😛

[stone rune]

boon of choice is aph atk

[fair copper]

on chiron?

[stone rune]

yeah

[fair copper]

now who's sus

[stone rune]

me when bad zagbow

[latent moon]

tbf like every chiron build uses aphro atk

low tolerance, heart rend

and that's it

[fair copper]

I mean yeah that's solid, no doubt.

I like zeus on special with double strike and splitting bolt. Call me nuts.

[stone rune]

chiron special just struggles when your enemies have health that needs to be depleted

[stone rune]

it only procs once

[latent moon]

nuts because internal cooldown lol

[fair copper]

lol

[radiant vale]

Here's a question: HOW LUCKY ARE YOU WITH POMSLICES

[latent moon]

why

[fair copper]

Generally unlucky, I'd say.

[stone rune]

i’m about as lucky as however many boons i want pommed divided by however many pommable boons i have

[fair copper]

I usually only buy them if my pool is limited.

(nod) that sounds right

[latent moon]

i buy them because they're only 50 coins and i hardly ever have that many boons anyways

good chance they'll land on something useful

[fair copper]

I feel like there's this mid-point in progression where, as a player, you start to feel like there is only usually a few correct choices. But then as you progress even further and you realize that anything is viable, it's just a matter of context. That's probably true all the way up to something like 20 heat easy.

After that I feel like it starts to get specific again.

[radiant vale]

ok but like

whatever, valid and true answer, i can't argue

[stone rune]

you can meme pretty ez up to like 40 heat

[native blade]

I’m currently tryna beat heat 36 in the dumbest way possible and I’ve already reached em4 Hades so… I’d say around there.

[fair copper]

My skills don't yet back meme-ing up to 40 over here 😄

[radiant vale]

Are there actual models of the olympians in this game or not

[latent moon]

"anything is viable if you know how to play the game well"

[native blade]

^

[fair copper]

That's true

[native blade]

If u can game the game, anything’s perfect.

[fair copper]

If you know how to perfectly game it, then the game is perfect.

Easy dub.

[latent moon]

there was like a shackle zeus clear of like 60 or so heat lmao

[radiant vale]

Finally got Hazard Bomb

[latent moon]

they just gamed very hard

[fair copper]

jfc Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether they could, they didn’t stop to think if they should

[latent moon]

lmao

it depends on if you get a good chaos % or not really

[fair copper]

lol I love how on some runs I'll visit chaos like 3 times and they won't ever give up what I'm after. Jerkface.

[stone rune]

every beo run ever

[fair copper]

lmao rip

too true

[stone rune]

at least hestia has 3 options

[fair copper]

Chaos, do you not see what shield I'm holding?!

[radiant vale]

"It's your own goddamn shield!"

[native blade]

Huh? Hestia?

[native blade]

“Not my aspect”

[stone rune]

atk dash strike special

beo only grasp and shot

[radiant vale]

"Who the hell is Chaos then?"

[native blade]

“I’m Chaos, but I don’t claim whatever that aspect of yours is”

[native blade]

Ohhhhhh

[radiant vale]

lol

is chaos a titan

[native blade]

“Beo? How about you BEO-n your way?”

[native blade]

Nah, they’re a primordial, they came before the titans.

And Chaos was the first.

HA!

[radiant vale]

ok

[native blade]

IT GOT YOU

[radiant vale]

screw it

ok

[native blade]

But yeah, Theseus sucks.

He grows on ya tho.

[radiant vale]

Bro

Theseus loses every time

Why is there still only 1 shade that supports me

The world is tough and unfair :-;

[native blade]

Tbf, Theseus has been famous for centuries, you just came in.

[radiant vale]

you are actual god

[native blade]

Yeah… How many peeps know that.

Freaking Theseus doesn’t know that.

[radiant vale]

i mean

you can literally say "persephone is ma mothuh" and he doesn't care

tbf he has a minigun

[native blade]

True, but the point is you’re the only one telling him.

[radiant vale]

can you fish in Greece after finishing the story

[high island]

Yeah.

[radiant vale]

thank god

[high island]

Which god?

[radiant vale]

ok screw that

[high island]

You'll need to be more specific.

[radiant vale]

ignore i said that

also

can you quit and refight over again to get new starting boons/hammorz

no you can't

[wintry moat]

Is there a place I can see the highest heat for each aspect?

Heat cleared*

[high island]

You mean your own records or world records?

[wintry moat]

World

[high island]

High Heat Leaderboard is pinned in #h1-high-heat-strategies.

[wintry moat]

Ty

[high island]

NephiOH's 57 Heat Excalibur WR is the only high heat WR that's not on there, pretty sure.

[brisk trail]

Hmmmm Guys im planing to do some twin fist builds any ideas who to start with?

[radiant vale]

Demeter is really good

Use Aspect of Demeter

[radiant vale]

Aspect of Oreo shield when

[muted glen]

What

Did someone say oreo

[unreal oracle]

I beat charon first try nice

[muted glen]

Nice

[brisk trail]

They should add a EM version of him one day

[radiant vale]

EM: Throws a goddamn boat at yo face

Does big styx damage

Funny boat go brr

[brisk trail]

I mean have u seen his arms he could do that

[radiant vale]

He can do that pretty easily

He can swing an oar so hard that it's pure force hits you from half the stadium away

Lowkey question: Is skelly a masochist

[native blade]

I genuinely don’t know.

[radiant vale]

Bro enjoys getting hit

[brisk trail]

Most likely yes

[radiant vale]

He's suspiciously enthusiastic

And he gets scared when Zag mentions peace

Bro wtf demeter fists are so op

[muted glen]

lmao yeah

[radiant vale]

Bruh

Hades really asked Zag to clean his chambers as viciously as he hits him

[muted glen]

top teir family

[brisk trail]

I got the fish line a few days ago best thing I ever heard

[radiant vale]

look at those bounty rewards for fishing in greece

it's op

[brisk trail]

I know

[radiant vale]

straight up diamond for a common fish

[muted glen]

yeah i recently got a sturgeon cant wait to trade that in

[radiant vale]

don't wait then

[silver mica]

Maybe he gets commission

50 Obols per strike

[muted glen]

im saving my fish

[radiant vale]

that's op, he might be able to like afford the entirety of the god's powers

[silver mica]

it'd be funny if it was commission based and he was just pretending to enjoy getting hit

[brisk trail]

U realy think Charon would pay him that

[silver mica]

I mean

Skelly dies all the time

So technically if it works like zag

It goes back to him anyway

Right

So our strong and silent businessman is really just an elaborate con artist that finds it funny to make other people get hit

[radiant vale]

lmaaao

never thought of that

[silver mica]

I mean considering his role in helping Zag

[radiant vale]

but like

that's accurate charon

[silver mica]

Its funny and makes kinda sense to me

[radiant vale]

Bro wtf demeter fists are lowkey insane

I never even knew it was remotely good

[brisk trail]

Yeah they are pretty good all my fist runs are done with Demeter aspect

[native blade]

But he really likes getting hit and dying, so I think either he’s getting bribed or punished.

[native blade]

I think all of the fists are good tbh, though Demeter’s definitely the best offensively speaking.

[radiant vale]

Bone Hydraulic Press

Demeters' Aspect doesn't work super well with Demeter's boons

💀

[brisk trail]

That’s why u don’t put Demeter on ur special

[rustic vale]

… it should go fine with dem on special

If you used dem strike though

[radiant vale]

Died to Hades for the first time in a long time

[silver mica]

Frost strike artcic blast

Swift strike

Killing freeze

[rustic vale]

Frost strike isn’t the play

Not over zeus, ares or dio

But dem should work fine enough on her own special

[stray shard]

Sign and upvote pls it's for a good cauze
https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/11pdnx0/httpschngitcfqrdwhks6_foolish_child_you_shall/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

[silver mica]

Ares??

https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/11oouw4/one_of_the_trade_deals_of_all_time/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=13&utm_content=share_button

This is pretty funny

[radiant vale]

areez nuts

[rustic vale]

yes ares

merciful end

[radiant vale]

What do y'all expect Hades to be like when you first started it

[brisk trail]

Hard and more anoying to master than rogue legacy and dead cells (I was wrong)

[radiant vale]

Persephone came back finally!! yay

[high island]

Excellent as always from Supergiant Games.

[radiant vale]

facts

[radiant vale]

Charon is much harder than I remembered

[glass adder]

Before I started it i didn't like it, seems to actiony for me. Now it's one of my fav games, definitely from roguelikes. Up there with slay the spire.

Slay has more replayability tho

Most roguelikes seem very... Amateurish to me

Tbf i also didn't like slay when I first saw people playing it 😂

Have 1k h on it now, can beat A20 consistently, but still not at the level of baalor or jorbs

Maybe branching paths similar to slay would be a good idea for hades 2, i guess it already kinda does

More bosses would def be good. Like 3 bosses possibilities per floor

In slay you kinda need to build a deck that can kill the next boss and it adds some layers of complexity and diversity

I'm typing a lot, sorry 😂

[radiant vale]

Indeed, look at soul knight 💀

That game is trash compared to this

[glass adder]

Yeah, i know graphics isn't everything, but it's something. I can't play most games that look like from ps1

Triangle strategy is pretty good tho

[rustic vale]

Ap1 loves me https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1037125133560721458/1084526105039487026/IMG_3114.jpg

[native blade]

And soul knight is actually pretty good for a mobile game.

[stone rune]

do you play half life 1

[glass adder]

Lul wut

[high island]

Epic Zeus Aid gud.

Personally I would just not take AP1 at 40.

[stone rune]

i would simply take not-ap1

[rustic vale]

What instead

[rustic vale]

Ik it’s good I was just saying lol

The game has refused me drunken flourish more then any other boon at this point

[strong ridge]

id say js or dc or hs or something like that

[stone rune]

js1 dc2

or something

[high island]

I'd probably take JS2.

No effect on bosses, and Zeus deals with JS2 just fine.

JS2 might force you to reset some runs with bad rooms because of the timer. But in comparison, AP1 will force you to do boss fights with noticeably worse builds every time.

And even if the rooms have more enemies, at least you'll have better builds to deal with them.

[stone rune]

so are you doing zoos^2 now

[high island]

Could have been Lord Zeus^3 if Static Discharge hadn't been crossed out.

[silver mica]

I've only tried AP once for the prophecy

[latent moon]

Ap1 has no affect on your run if you get the boons

[feral belfry]

I like your pfp change

[rustic vale]

No

Dio zeus

[stone rune]

WHY ELY

WHY

309 aspho exit -> 500 ely exit

[high island]

Embrace RTA.

[rose trench]

is peer pressure good

[high island]

Most useless boon in the game.

Well, I know there was a blind player who said it helped them a lot.

So I guess there's a niche for everything.

[rose trench]

wait are you being serious?

[high island]

Yes.

[rose trench]

no disrespect or anything but how is that even possible

[rustic vale]

Blind Hades is possible

I remember hearing about it but never looked into it myself

[stone rune]

star chaos moment

[rustic vale]

So sad that blind people can’t experience Hades visuals though

[rose trench]

mhm

[rustic vale]

I believe they rely on audio

And a mod for the game?

[high island]

https://youtu.be/G05IHIRLAgE

[rose trench]

thats quite interesting

[stone rune]

do you take tarty erebus

[stone rune]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1028112977100017666/1084568799023476786/image.png

[high island]

Context needed.

[stone rune]

beo

[latent moon]

I mean might as well

If it's bad pace just reset or cope

I'd assume Artemis erebus

[stone rune]

tarty

t arty

[stone rune]

also what do u do here

cry and take shop?

[i think thats what you do on ME

[latent moon]

Yeah

[brisk trail]

I beat 32 heat

[latent moon]

Same rules

[latent moon]

Very nice

What was the build?

[stone rune]

so why is it flood flare and not hunter

[latent moon]

Hunter flare damage sucks

[stone rune]

isn't it like

5 less at common

[latent moon]

Idk

Yeah

But less aoe

Idk about scaling

And also can't hit through walls

[stone rune]

bruh

well

[latent moon]

Get dynoed

[stone rune]

looks like it scales better

[latent moon]

Hunter?

[stone rune]

yeah

the groups are tighter

[latent moon]

Doubt it

[stone rune]

which indicates they have to group tighter to fit more on the screen