h1-discussion

[latent moon]

the base damage on fists is pretty low, so it's not that great to buff the atk %

so might as well get another cast

wait shot

cast damage

still take that tho

[manic vine]

The cast is busted, might as well.

[latent moon]

it's alright but since you're building around it, might as well buff it more lol

doing it on fists is certainly an option

[manic vine]

And I got quick cast from Hermes

Charon's shop does it again-

About 30 seconds for the Alecto fight, Crystal Beam is S-Tier and nobody can change my mind.

[toxic trellis]

Good for you

[manic vine]

lol

2nd question, Epic Nourished Soul or get Rare Crop and pray to god it's either my cast or attack?

[latent moon]

depends how many boons you have

[manic vine]

Nourished Soul it is.

[latent moon]

not including hermes

well

i was gonna say

if you had 5, then it's worth the take

[manic vine]

i have way more than 5, and one is heroic anyway thanks to Eurydice

[latent moon]

oh lmao then yeah i'd just take nourished soul

what was the 3rd option actually

[manic vine]

forgor, but it wasn't anything I needed for the run.

[latent moon]

fair

[latent moon]

it's good if you get the boons lol
it relies on a good chunk of extra boons and poms

[stone rune]

sooo does targeting system just selectively not work?

what the hell was that

about 75% of the time when i specialed on dad

it just didn't give the boost

[high island]

If you leave out the third option, it's probably the third option.

[stone rune]

does it interact with hazard wrong or something

[manic vine]

it's common Ravenous Will. Already do a ton as is, so I'm fine without it.

[latent moon]

rav will would've been the right pick lmao

[latent moon]

it should

[manic vine]

I could probably buy it at Styx or find her there.

[stone rune]

30 seconds alecto isn't particularly rapid

[manic vine]

but it is fast.

and I like speed.

[high island]

Rule #35 of Hades coaching: if the coachee leaves out 1 of the 3 options when asking what to choose, that's the best one.

[stone rune]

fast =/= S tier

[manic vine]

I almost beat Hades with Beam doing most of the work

[stone rune]

i get like 15-25 on boonless mirrorless runs when im down my special

[latent moon]

i mean 30 sec isn't that bad for speed tbh

[high island]

And then you still die and don't get the WR.

[latent moon]

like it's fine for casual speedrunning

[stone rune]

im so bad at hades fight

i got pwned by satyrs in styx again

and then was down about 120 hp

and then i got spun on

not once

not twice

not thrice

but four times

well

[high island]

Single dash dad boonless mirrorless isn't the easiest fight.

[stone rune]

i say got spun on

[limber ether]

piercing fire over hazard bomb and delta chamber for zeus eris rail?

[stone rune]

i failed to avoid

what

[limber ether]

or delta?

[stone rune]

delta chamber

iframes galore

[manic vine]

I'm thinking of getting rid of Cold Embrace but then again it's duo boon why would I

[latent moon]

delta chamber is bugged on rail to give you full iframes during dash strikes

[limber ether]

oh what lmao

[stone rune]

why would you ever sell an aphrodite boon

[latent moon]

because crystal clarity is better
you are on fists so it's probably decent lol keep it

[stone rune]

what

cold embrace fists

[manic vine]

yeah

[latent moon]

it's like funkier curse of drowning

[high island]

It's dangerous to go alone, use this: https://i.imgur.com/d4sJQ6Q.png

[stone rune]

is that the one that makes your cast flood flare

[manic vine]

My whole setup is funky man

[latent moon]

flood shot/flare, some ares core

makes it pulse

[stone rune]

yeah

[latent moon]

pulses 3 times, idk if each pulse does the cast's damage or if 3 pulses = 1 cast

never bothered to check, i just started pomming it in my ME run because doom damage wasn't going up any more and i didnt' get impending

[stone rune]

i think it's the cast damage

each

[latent moon]

that's neat

[stone rune]

cause it doesn't say the damage is lowered in the duo

coudl easily be wrong

[latent moon]

i wish i didn't get offered rd vs +3 dashes lmao

[manic vine]

This fist run is all Special I guess

[stone rune]

you are now playing ME

[latent moon]

on the other hand, it's CoD
no one cares about it

[high island]

I haven't verified it, but I always get the sense that the Curse of Drowning pulses cancel your i-frames.

[stone rune]

REAL FLOOD FLARE

[latent moon]

lmfao

flood flare at home

dw it's not worth testing because CoD sucks

i'm gonna do a CoD run

[stone rune]

salmon is better all the way

[high island]

That's exactly why I never bothered.

Even if it doesn't cancel i-frames, I don't wanna take it.

[manic vine]

Heroic Glacial Glare, extra cast damage from the chaos boon, Pressure Points, Cold Embrace and Heart Rend

what is this run

[high island]

I'd rather have my normal Flood Shot with Breaking Wave for Stx tyvm.

[latent moon]

same

[stone rune]

hazard in styx is so annoying

[manic vine]

Poison in Styx is annoying man

[latent moon]

on the other hand tho, it was my first time with CoD and ME so i thought id give it a spin

was neat

[high island]

https://youtu.be/ChvHrwpmbns?t=231

Timestamped for your convenience.

[latent moon]

omg i remember this

[high island]

The epilogue:

Fixed the damage preview for Hazard Bomb (Rail) not being quite the right size

[manic vine]

XD

[woeful trout]

Eris Hazard Bomb

[manic vine]

Charon does it again; Demeter's back and I don't have ravenous will, but I have the choice of Frozen Touch, Snow Burst or a 3rd duo boon; Stubborn Roots

[high island]

Snow Burst unless you need any of the others for prophecy.

[stone rune]

STUBBORN SUPREMACY 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪

can you get stubborn roots with no mirror

[high island]

No.

[manic vine]

Stubborn supremacy baby

[stone rune]

did you actually pick it

[manic vine]

nah still on the screen lol

[high island]

Well, yeah. If you have Lucky Tooth, you can get it. Unless they patched it out and I forgot.

[manic vine]

I need both of them for prophecy

[high island]

Take whichever one for the prophecy then.

[stone rune]

does rama need boons

[manic vine]

so no duo boon?

[latent moon]

no because prophecy

[manic vine]

fair enough.

[high island]

Stubborn Roots is honestly not very good either way.

[latent moon]

stubborn roots kinda eh anyways lol

considering the build, snow burst is much better

[stone rune]

or would shackle work

[manic vine]

Picked Snow Burst

#AsteriusDeservesBetter

[latent moon]

i think shackle rama is a thing at high heat

[stone rune]

boonless mirrorless?

[high island]

You keep asking other people about boonless mirrorless.

[latent moon]

oh right

[stone rune]

well yes it is a fun category if you're not bad like me

[latent moon]

1 dash rama sucks

[stone rune]

i just saulk at dodging

[latent moon]

the reason why rama doesnt work at max heat is because having to get a 2nd dash is such a pain

to be fair

idk if that extends to mirrorless

[high island]

There are 4 people who've done runs in the category. You and me are 2 of the 4 lmao.

[latent moon]

because at that high of heat there's other things to consider

[stone rune]

well

i've only attempted runs

[high island]

Indeed.

[stone rune]

[high island]

So only 3 then.

[stone rune]

one of these days i'll learn how to move

[manic vine]

*I'm not okay

[stone rune]

i keep forgetting to make that temp save

[manic vine]

I suck at dodging

[high island]

And A tomato hasn't submitted any recordings yet, so 2 verified players in the category.

[stone rune]

ive been experimenting though

i found that em2 fo1 seems to work better

up to ely

[latent moon]

mood

[stone rune]

but satyrs saulkkkk

[high island]

Out of those, there are 0 Rama runs.

[manic vine]

Help, everyone's 10 seconds from death, except Theseus who's 3, do I rush him down and focus on Minotuar?

[stone rune]

there's a gilga run

or is that just boonless

[high island]

Yeah, QB_Smash did one mirrorless boonless with each weapon.

One of those was Gilgamesh.

[stone rune]

at 32 right

what was wrong with dem

the dashes?

[manic vine]

L taken, thanks folks.

[stone rune]

what does this even mean

[manic vine]

It means everyone's low HP

including me

I was 3

[stone rune]

then why did you say theseus was 3

[latent moon]

this is why we take crystal clarity and let the casts do the work

[manic vine]

I was gonna rush down theseus

[stone rune]

this is why HESTIA 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪

[high island]

Idk, ask @supple steppe, not me.

[manic vine]

But the minotaur was next to me

[stone rune]

dash through him then

[manic vine]

I couldn't

[stone rune]

he gets pwned by dashing through h im

[manic vine]

We were at a pillar he would have hit me either by the projectiles from the hit or the hit itself

[high island]

QB Smash went over the videos on his twitch afterwards, I don't know if all of that commentary is archived anywhere.

[manic vine]

I was screwed

[stone rune]

i hate that twitch just deletes videos

[manic vine]

same

[latent moon]

@manic vine if you want to use meme beams, i suggest using achilles and getting crystal clarity instead of cold embrace

[stone rune]

meme beam fists in the first place is

[high island]

Cold Embrace is decent enough on Malphon.

That's not the reason the run died.

[rustic falcon]

is there any extra dialogue for mirrorless run with any of the characters like meg, like how there is dialogue for boonless run with hades

[manic vine]

my head hurts I'm mad

[high island]

I think just with Meg, yeah.

[manic vine]

I should just do 2 runs just for the close at heart prophecy

[rustic falcon]

oh dam that's cool

[manic vine]

I still haven't beaten Hades so I have no use for Ambrosia

other than titan's blood.

[stone rune]

there's a clear use for ambrosia

giving the ambrosia to aphrodite

[high island]

Yes.

All of it.

[latent moon]

aphrodite kinda mid tho

[stone rune]

@high island a feast shall commence

[manic vine]

Lol

[high island]

Serious offenders will simply be ignored for all eternity no matter how much they beg for help with Hades or anything else.

[manic vine]

I was gonna ask for something else but nvm

[stone rune]

?

[manic vine]

I still need to do Are's Prophecy, so might as well wait until I've completed it

ehhh screw it, Aspect of Hades now or later?

[stone rune]

uh

never

[manic vine]

but

:(

[latent moon]

lmfao

[stone rune]

instead, you should do HESTIA 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪

[latent moon]

there's a titan blood guide pinned in #h1-for-new-players that should help

[latent moon]

they haven't cleared yet

they dont have that much titan blood

[stone rune]

hestia is the best aspect no matter the level

[latent moon]

eris is better at lvl 1

[stone rune]

can eris do 50 damage in one shot?

didn't think so

exactly

[high island]

How dare you speak of my guide, heretic?

https://i.imgur.com/W5NAKRF.jpg

[latent moon]

i'll do it again

[manic vine]

I'm trading and getting Nemesis.

[latent moon]

if you do the math, the 75% boost on a full clip of bullets does more than the +40 damage to a single bullet lmao

[stone rune]

.ban Bananas#9138 false proclamations

[manic vine]

.

I forgot I already had nemesis I'm stupid

[latent moon]

.ban vetbaitednv#5180 git gud

[stone rune]

i bet you didn't get to c2 on 61 heat

[manic vine]

i'm leaving unless I get confused

you all worry me

[stone rune]

❤️

[latent moon]

i think i got to like c5 on 64 lol

[high island]

https://tenor.com/view/sailor-venus-kiss-sailormoon-gif-7919029

[stone rune]

64 =/= 61

[latent moon]

okay buddy

[gentle flower]

64 = 61

change my mind

difficulty is the same

[stone rune]

dc2:

[latent moon]

ri moment

[stone rune]

ri4:

[manic vine]

Quick Spin, Triple Jab or Serrated Point?

I have Achilles

[rustic vale]

Ez just get +400% additive

[stone rune]

thot daughter

[latent moon]

serrated i think

that or triple at least

[manic vine]

Serrated is for the prophecy so why not

and I get 3 epic boons from zeus

I'm getting food, it's almost 11 PM I'm too tired to even fight this

[supple steppe]

Four of them, including Gilga, are on my YouTube. The other two will be soon.

[high island]

Can you link it for @stone rune who is trying to follow in our footsteps?

Trying to beat us with 33 Heat in fact.

[stone rune]

if i beat it 33 unmodded i might try 39 or 40 modded

targeting system start to make fo2 not exist anymore because im silly like that

im not god gamer enough for like high hl or such though

[high island]

Do boonless mirrorless HL5 LC4 FO2.

[stone rune]

real

[supple steppe]

Sure.
This is my channel:
https://www.youtube.com/@Quintinb777

And this is the Gilga video specifically:
https://youtu.be/U55FcHbtDT4

In regards to Gilgamesh, the dashes are nice but overall I just genuinely like the aspect and think it's good. I know others don't feel the same.

Also, something of note, Nyaanyaa and I have very different styles as I don't use tight deadline at all.

[stone rune]

it's very funny that you still reload while trolled by grasping tart guys

ok so this is very iffy

im on this run

took blue after party

and then got below 40%

but i hit myself with traps down to below where i was before generally

does that count

nvm

armored speeder chariots

with dc

3 jerkies don't work when you aren't allowed to damage your enemies

[high island]

Speeder Chariots are pretty close to GGs on boonless mirrorless lol.

[stone rune]

i only had 190 max hp anyways

[high island]

180ish is still kinda okay going into Elysium.

[stone rune]

im not that good

i prefer to have at least 215

i reset if <3 hearts in tart

[woeful trout]

any silly builds i should try

[stone rune]

zagshield pulv blow purple/orange swift strike

[latent moon]

zag shield cshot sudden rush epic/heroic swift strike is budget bow

2 hammers tho

[stone rune]

cshot sudden rush minotaur

[latent moon]

anvil

machine gun cshot better than perfect shot cshot imo

[woeful trout]

hate the anvil more than i hate myself

[lone sable]

Just dont take it if you have good hammers

[woeful trout]

no like you end up having one amazing hammer and one hammer that does virtually nothing to your build

so you buy anvil

[latent moon]

pull a tailesque and save your 60(?) heat rama run with an anvil

[woeful trout]

and you know what happens next

[latent moon]

see

[lone sable]

Its a gamble

[latent moon]

that's why you only buy anvil if you have 2 bad hammers

[lone sable]

You could just not take the anvil

[woeful trout]

and 2 hammers arent even guaranteed to be good if you hit the odds

[lone sable]

You're compleining that gambling doesnt work?

[latent moon]

that's why you give yourself a better chance of getting 2 good hammers from anvil by taking 2 bad hammers to begin with

take the bad ones out of the pool

🧠

[lone sable]

Waiting for someone to find a glitch to dupe charon shop things

[latent moon]

well there's anvil save scumming

but that's about it lol

you can't quit out if you buy something else

[stone rune]

i love getting no hearts in aspho

[high island]

Ideally you get two or three Erebus Hearts lol.

Before Elysium.

[latent moon]

take erebus boons so you can sell them for more money

[high island]

Don't underestimate the max HP you get from Darkness btw. It adds up.

[high island]

lol you have more money than you know what to do with in boonless mirrorless.

[latent moon]

that's true

[high island]

Just the start can be slow, wanna try to get enough for the first two shops.

Missing out on a Centaur Heart in mid-shop because you're 20 obols low sucks lol.

[latent moon]

get 5 gem doors in a row for 100 gold, hopefully get the other 25 from enemies and pots lol

wait how much is a heart again

125 i'm smart

[high island]

There's actually a trick to get your money back for free with no penalty if you buy two boons from him for 300 obols.

[stone rune]

i hate unmodded

who invented 5 sacks

[latent moon]

thanks amir

[high island]

There's a chance you'll see a bag behind Charon that contains 300 obols.

So you can just take that.

[latent moon]

well you're not wrong

literally free 2 boons

[high island]

And no penalty.

[stone rune]

330 hp, targeting system and ricochet in styx ruined because my 2 sack mentality failed me

regular rooms are actual hell

[high island]

lol

[latent moon]

wdym, ricochet fire is so good for room clearing!

[stone rune]

yeah and i got pwned from like 60 hp to a fat 0 in a matter of like 0.3 seconds by one of those gemstone things

[stone rune]

i only have like 4-6 runs in me per day

[high island]

Snakestones.

[stone rune]

i call them banshees

[high island]

Probably the most brutal BP2 enemies back in early access lol.

[stone rune]

it did 5 a hit

so 4 beams made it take 3 hits to kill

[high island]

FO2 Speeder Snakestones in EA homed in on you so fast lol.

But imo the single worst BP enemy in the game was Bruiser Snakestones. Just Bruiser + anything or Bruiser on its own already.

Just took forever to die.

Pact of Punishment
Routine Inspection: no longer prevents getting Fated Authority charges during an escape attempt
Forced Overtime: added foe-specific limitations in cases where this was particularly unfair...
Benefits Package: reduced how much bonus Armor could be provided by the Bruiser Perk

Blood Price Update my beloved.

That was the second nerf to Bruiser btw lol.

[stone rune]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1054474976083849236/1073507064921468939/20230209233332_3.jpg

[high island]

GGs.

Attack-only run.

If you avoid every hit and dodge never triggers, then technically it's still legal.

[stone rune]

real

just unbound my special

[high island]

If you take Greatest Reflex and attempt to continue dashing as though you only have one dash, I'll DQ the run anyway because m not gonna count if you waited long enough for the original cooldown for every single dash.

I think the worst part about seeing Greatest Reflex in boonless mirrorless... you really wish you could just take it and use it lol. That would make life so much easier immediately.

[jagged ivy]

@plucky venture which weapon are you trying to use with poseidon boons?

[plucky venture]

zues aspect aigis

[jagged ivy]

ah

[plucky venture]

is it a good match?

[jagged ivy]

um

no

sadly

[plucky venture]

i unlocked cuz my friend said so- he said its cool

[stone rune]

i wish i got only witch no armor only rooms

[plucky venture]

now i dont have titan blood

[jagged ivy]

yeah I like that aspect a lot too

[high island]

Best Poseidon start is hidden shield or Hestia.

Spear also pretty good.

[plucky venture]

eleborate pls

[plucky venture]

it good to see but hard to control i was all good until my two death defience got whipped by heroes

[woeful trout]

kinda wish chain lightning had as many synergies as heaven lightning does

[high island]

I assume you probably don't have hidden shield unlocked or Hestia at max level anyway.

[plucky venture]

i have hestia max level

[high island]

Ah good.

[jagged ivy]

oh dang son

[jagged ivy]

go shoot people then (in game)

[woeful trout]

it feels like everything besides storm lightning is just gearaed towards lightnign bolts

[plucky venture]

i wanna play with boons man

[high island]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1019DSLlyHwg7_oIiN3Il-NUYdHEbl783G7ZvstFSCD4/edit?usp=sharing https://youtu.be/Ie5e_6fIFms

All the Hestia guidance you could want.

[plucky venture]

yea right thanks

[high island]

tl;dr is start Tidal Dash, then look for a good Attack and Special boon.

[plucky venture]

gotcha

[high island]

Get a few poms on Tidal Dash and also look for Breaking Wave ideally, but his other t2 boons like Razor Shoals etc. are pretty good, too.

Also if you're playing on pad, literally all of the high level rail players on pad remap their Reload to a shoulder button.

Most commonly LB/L1, but LT/L2 is also common.

Because the default reload has the worst mapping for a reload button I could possibly think of.

The default controls are so good, and then there's Reload on the right stick...

[stone rune]

at dad

330 max health

i mean styx

not dad

cluster targeting

[plucky venture]

i got "r"

[high island]

If that works for you, sure.

[stone rune]

arty, miniboss ares, coin, heart, miniboss dem

[plucky venture]

cluster bombs home at enemy?

[stone rune]

no

[plucky venture]

it does

[high island]

Cluster Hazard would have been an easy DQ.

[stone rune]

cluster bombs and enemies that targeted move slower and take more damage

what paths do i do

[plucky venture]

oh

coins

i guess

[stone rune]

im not doing ares cause i only got one reroll and no slots filled and im not getting offered like battle rage and urge to kill

[high island]

Yeah, Lord Ares ended a lot of my boonless runs lol.

[stone rune]

ares has soooo many t1s that affect your attack and special

dem is great though

ravenous will

arctic blast

might start with dem and then go heart for that 2 sack mentality

[plucky venture]

demeter cast?i cleared most of my runs with it

[high island]

Could also go for the Heart first, but you don't like the normal encounters in Styx lol.

[stone rune]

they're awful

so many satyrs and snakestones

i want just one of them thats real nice and big and easy to hit

and you can meg

and no waves

NOT TOO FOND OF 5 DAMAGE A TICK POISON

please please please please 2 sack

[high island]

Okay but what if it's a Dire Snakestone + a Dire Satyr and one of them is about to shoot at you from behind while the other one is on the other side of the wall?

[stone rune]

GOT 2 SACK

[stone rune]

i seem to remember hearing about this before...........

hmm.............

334 hp

im gonna make a practice save this time

[high island]

I think I had something around that when that happened.

[high island]

Funnily enough, the time I remembered to make practice saves for Theseus & Asterius and dad was when I beat 36 lol.

[stone rune]

temp files copied

cluster targeting is so funny

you can make a barrier around you that makes all the flame wheels slow down

he summoned a shield guy

1 dash is so annoying

you can just get forced into taking a spin

died

[high island]

RIP.

[stone rune]

phased him though

and got to second part

unfortunate

[high island]

Nice.

Getting there.

Now you can grind the fight.

[stone rune]

when he brang out the pots i forgot to apply targeting

so i took like 3 spins

[high island]

Ouch.

Nerves.

[stone rune]

i haaate pots with autoaim

when you wanna shoot the pots it shoots dad and when you wanna shoot dad it shoots pots

well

i complain all this but it's just a skill issue

i think targeting is the way to go though

[lone sable]

I dont use autoaim for this reason: it sucks

Ig if you're on console its probably better

[stone rune]

i use autoaim for this reason: try hitting a teleporting flame wheel

[lone sable]

Teleporting?

[stone rune]

what

[latent moon]

bp

one of them teleports

[lone sable]

Oh

[stone rune]

i did the power couple trick for the first time though

[latent moon]

i will say tho

you dont always have to have aim at cursor off

you can turn it back on for the dad fight

[stone rune]

i turn it on sometimes

i turn it on for savior witch rooms

[lone sable]

I just dont like autoaim in games in general

[stone rune]

for flame wheel rooms

[high island]

It's also experience.

[latent moon]

it's good for rail so you can actually hit shots

[stone rune]

and for some other ones where autoaim just doesn't work

[lone sable]

I like to space my shots in a way that it hits multiple enemies if i can but in some cases autoaim just cucks me

[stone rune]

what weapon are you talking about

[lone sable]

Bow

[stone rune]

why would you use autoaim on bow

[lone sable]

For the rail i'd rather just take the misses

[stone rune]

it's a big fat rectangle

[latent moon]

https://streamable.com/30c37x

[lone sable]

Except im quite garbage with the rail in general

[latent moon]

maybe if you hit the shots you'd be better at rail lmao

[stone rune]

well there's your issue

[stone rune]

2 dashes 🤤

[lone sable]

says while my pb is with the rail by over 5 minutes compared to the others

[stone rune]

your weapon pb has 5 min diff

[lone sable]

I was playing lucifer and got good hammers

And i was also low heat doing bounties

[latent moon]

isn't the only good hammer on luci just triple bomb

[stone rune]

merciful chamber

[lone sable]

There was also the one that gives them bigger radius and like 250% more dmg

[high island]

Lucifer hammers are all pretty good. Triple Bomb is just easily the best.

[stone rune]

lucifer hammers? you mean sea storm right?

[lone sable]

Im horrible with remembering names

[latent moon]

the radiating damage only does 250% more, not the actual explosion i'm pretty sure

[high island]

jazz is just listing meme Lucifer builds.

[latent moon]

oh it says in the description lol

Greater Inferno (Rail)
Your Igneus Eden Hellfire radiates +250% damage in a larger area; Hellfire explosion is unaffected.

[stone rune]

do you destroy them

[latent moon]

so like it's just a hammer that exists

[lone sable]

Ok then idk why i was doing over 1500 dmg bursts with my specials on hades

[stone rune]

arty

idk

[high island]

Greater Inferno is nice.

[latent moon]

artemis, chaos, rd

a lot of other factors that could be accounted for

[stone rune]

arty rd

funny

[latent moon]

or a 3 burst adding up to 1500

[lone sable]

It was a 3 burst for over 1.5k

[latent moon]

yeah a 3 burst makes sense

[lone sable]

Tldr. Good build for once+low heat=pb

[stone rune]

em2 fo2

how important is the em2

[latent moon]

it could save a lot of time

[stone rune]

like what sort of time loss are you seeing without it

[lone sable]

Tbh learnie without em is kinda boring

[latent moon]

hitting 3/4 heads at once is a lot better than 1/2

[stone rune]

the heightened security in question:

[stone rune]

hazard bomb 🤤

[latent moon]

fo2 affects the whole run, so faster spawns through the whole run can give you a minute or two

[lone sable]

Just dont stand on the magma smh

[high island]

I wish getting a good build was actually what I needed for new PBs, that would be so much faster than resetting for not getting 3min Elysium.

[stone rune]

just get 10 light of ixions

[latent moon]

got a point there

[stone rune]

light of ixions but they all go in one room

the entire floor is littered with chaos gates

[lone sable]

You see, in this sense, i have advantage over you since my pb sucks meaning i can pb more easily

[latent moon]

well that's just a waste of 9 other ixions

[high island]

I tried, but Charon said m not Croven and to go home.

[stone rune]

if you don't like what you got you get to crawl back out and go into another one

[latent moon]

fair

[high island]

There goes that RTA PB.

First 3 Tartarus chambers can be so hit and miss already.

[stone rune]

rta time vs me trying desperately to hit the gold pot in the corner of c1 with autoaim

[high island]

One run you get Chaos c3 and enter c4 at ~15 seconds, another run you enter c4 at 30 seconds lol.

[high island]

That's not just your RTA.

I ignore a lot of gold urns tbh.

[stone rune]

next you'll tell me you don't chat with charon

[lone sable]

For rta speedruns do you just try to get the gold pots mid fight?

[high island]

Ideally if I can get them during the fight, I'll get them.

[high island]

Same for IGT lol.

But it depends on how much you need to go out of your way to get them.

[stone rune]

or you don't pet cerberus

[lone sable]

Do speedrunners ever check charon's stix shop?

[latent moon]

depends

[stone rune]

i mean you generally can see it

[latent moon]

ideally, no

[high island]

Usually only if you can get Rush Delivery there, pretty much.

[latent moon]

for top end speedrunning, you never check unless rd pretty much

modded wr doesn't even have rd lmao

[high island]

Also more of a consideration if you have epic Greatest Reflex because then it's way faster to get there and back lol.

[high island]

I can tell you that when I got the Hera RTA WR, I didn't skip Lady Aphrodite's dialogue.

I also declared that day that faster runs only count if they don't skip her dialogue.

So I still have the WR, technically.

[latent moon]

big "zyru fishing in a race because he was so far ahead" energy

[high island]

Ain't my fault that I got the WR by accident after a couple days of actually playing RTA seriously just to get my average time down for fun.

[stone rune]

As we all should

[high island]

Indeed.

[woeful trout]

not related but im still impressed that devs implemented unique dialogue for when the player actually skips dialogue

[woeful trout]

Jesus Christ Hestia gets broken

Wait does piercing attacks ignore shields

[high island]

Yes.

It's unblockable.

[woeful trout]

Literally such a simple and intuitive design that so many other games neglect

[solar vault]

just did a run with keyboard only and got really lucky and it worked out

binded L on attack and K on special

casting super inconvenient though

[high island]

How did you turn off the other instruments?

[solar vault]

wdym?

[unkempt dove]

can anyone anwser a question about whos home

ill just post it

when i went into zags room i noticed the Cerberus cam back after being missing

so does changing rooms slightly randomize who is their

if so will Orpheus ever come back to the house once and a while

[tacit dock]

i think it only happen once after you go in the room and back but not sure

[wicked wolf]

Just came to say that I just received my administrative desk mat from Fangamer and it's really cool. If you want a desk mat, think about that one

[opal wharf]

I like the hidden aspects of the weapons i usually dislike but i dont like the hidden aspect of the weapons i usually like

[plucky venture]

bro's just confused

[short glen]

Probably because they play pretty different from their base forms

[austere harbor]

Lucifer aspect on the rail makes it playable tbh

I mean I can't say much bc I play like a crackhead but still

Especially with the addition of the hammer buff

[austere harbor]

Wdym?

[wicked wolf]

It's one piece of Hades merch that's sold by Fangamer. A desk mat printed with a design from the House of Hades

[austere harbor]

Ahh right :))

[void vigil]

i have it as well :] it really is cool

[austere harbor]

It sounds sweet!

[opal wharf]

hmm

i accidentally closed the game in the middle of a run

and uh

it put me back before i started the run

question being will i get the same boons if i do it again

[lone sable]

the first one yes

[opal wharf]

not the others ?

[lone sable]

not sure

[opal wharf]

what if i change weapons

[lone sable]

i dont know

gonna have to wait for someone smarter to tell you

[austere harbor]

Won't stay the same

It'll change it because different weapons will have like different randomly generated pathways

For rewards and stuff (unless u equip an Olympian keepsake but ehhhhh)

But that only works on the first boon really so you'd have to see ig

I doubt they'd stay the same tho

[opal wharf]

preparing for hades ll by time travelling

i'll change the future

[austere harbor]

Slay and serve

[opal wharf]

it put me so far back i could have not awakened rana

but i did anyway

[austere harbor]

Ouch

[opal wharf]

tho i dont have to spend the blood

[austere harbor]

Fair enough

[opal wharf]

refund strats

[austere harbor]

Exactly !!

Nah but on the lowkey Nemesis aspect on sword is the loml I swear

[opal wharf]

2 hour playtest with the weapon if you're not satisfied you get a refund

[austere harbor]

Money back guarantee from Charon (we will never see the day)

[opal wharf]

whats loml

[opal wharf]

forgot again to use my reroll on a hammer

darn

[short glen]

Hidden sword better than nemesis tbh

[dire tendon]

you cant reroll hammers

[void vigil]

was cleaning my videos folder, look at this ancient video i found

[high island]

lol

[austere harbor]

Love of my life

[austere harbor]

How it feels to chew 5 gum

[austere harbor]

Nahhhh hard pass

[short glen]

Incorrect opinion/j

[austere harbor]

😭😭😭

[woeful trout]

Poseidon best sword tbh

[opal wharf]

then i dont have any regrets

tbh

i like rail more and more

i wish hermes had like a call or somthing

he just feels like a lesser god

which he is but

come on

[wild dagger]

hey

how do i get the epilogue ?

[opal wharf]

do more runs

i mean

complete more runs

heat doesnt rlly matter

its the number of runs you complete

[slender mist]

he goes nyoom

[wild dagger]

how many do i have to complete then ?

[latent moon]

It's a variable amount because to get the epilogue you need to max a lot of bonds with various gods

[woeful trout]

He’s like a support for other boons

[raw herald]

He has 2 call support boons too

[opal wharf]

yeah but

i kinda feel like he got done dirty

it just doenst feel the same

[raw herald]

Well yeah he’s fundamentally different to the other gods

Like hammers, you usually only get a max of 2 Hermes boons in one run

[stone rune]

the nemesis in question:

[opal wharf]

ooo i didnt know that

[empty swallow]

Vote for the best hades aspect. Voting closes at 7pm tomorrow english time
https://strawpoll.com/polls/BJnX88dwPnv

Thats my bet but personally its either Lucifer or Eris

Big gun go brrrrrr

Thats how I beat 32 heat

Fair

Very fair but I just really like cluster rocket

But personally besides Hera the bow is my least fav

Ye maybeI don't used ss enough

But I don't really see the appeal

Fair

Maybe I just need to try a good build with it

[latent moon]

How are we comparing aspects lmao

Aesthetics, speed, heat, fun? Other factors?

[stone rune]

we're comparing them on whether or not theyre hestia

if they're hestia they win

if not they lose

[empty swallow]

How good good you think they are

[stone rune]

arthur vs zag lmfao

[latent moon]

So speed and heat then lmao

[stone rune]

so hestia 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪

[empty swallow]

Its randomly generate

[stone rune]

wait

then which zag is this

[latent moon]

Arthur has a 57 unmodded but zag sword has a sub6 modded, idk unmodded time

Sword

[stone rune]

ok yeah

[stone rune]

ppl are addicted to zagsword

[latent moon]

Are they

Most people like Arthur more lol

[stone rune]

yeah

but there are like mad runners on zagsword and idk why

in comparison to what it is

at least frae what ive seen

[latent moon]

Well most people would rather Speedrun a good aspect for speedrunning lol

Zag generally feels better at the extemes

Zag sword fds is good and can be fun

[stone rune]

nem 🤤

[stone rune]

how do you deal with spins on 1 dash

some of them i can avoid but if the spin is in the middle i literally can't cover the distance

i get it sometimes

it's not in my blood to though

my instinct is just to dash the hell away immediately

so my dash hasn't reset to give me iframes

[tacit dock]

finally got divided by death in the fated list

[stone rune]

so real

[opal wharf]

the more i play the more i dislike poseidon boon

or just poseidon in general

[warm dagger]

true but his call is goated

[opal wharf]

yeah but

i just dont like playing with the knockback boons

i just got poseidon at run start and idk if i want to play it

[latent moon]

Take his boon then sell it later lol

Or play Beowulf

The knockback on flood flare is basically non-existent

[stone rune]

he has lowest % attack

[opal wharf]

i dont want poseidon in my pool tbh

[latent moon]

Artemis

[stone rune]

the critical hits in question:

[latent moon]

Still lowest % lol

[stone rune]

not if you take the crits into account

knockback isn't extra damage

arty is 96% with no supporting boons right

[latent moon]

It's like 20%

[opal wharf]

i mean it can be with an extra boon

[stone rune]

40% damage 20% crit

[latent moon]

Wall slams lol

[opal wharf]

and wall slam

[latent moon]

Also it's 15% crit

[stone rune]

no

that's attack

special is 20%

[opal wharf]

yup

[latent moon]

We're talking about attacks

[stone rune]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1054474976083849236/1073720294365208637/image.png

oh

right

i forgot

[latent moon]

Lmao

[stone rune]

ends up at like 56%

[latent moon]

On average

[stone rune]

yeah

the 30% in question:

[latent moon]

Lmao

I mean arty is still technically lower

[stone rune]

just get 100% crit chance

body slams make me happier though

its so great when you wipe out a whole gaggle of numbskulls with one hit

[opal wharf]

what level is it for 100% crit chance actually

[stone rune]

i got 100% with heroic hunters mark once

[opal wharf]

what level

[stone rune]

idk

6 or 7

the hm wasn't at 100%

but it was combined with arty attack

think it was 87%

[austere harbor]

Underrated boon: support fire

[opal wharf]

nah

i take it everytime

its so good

especially when you get that all damage can crit boon

[austere harbor]

It combos really well with other DOT effects like hangover and stuff imo, I enjoy it a lot

When I was brand new and hardly beating the final boss it was one of my go tos and it still is

[opal wharf]

how does it combo with hangover

[stone rune]

just another ingredient in fds

[rustic vale]

No it’s overrated

[spring knoll]

do +%attack boons also modify after-effect damage from zeus/dionysus/ares?

[rustic vale]

No

[spring knoll]

bummer

[rustic falcon]

does slothful favor Chaos boon stack with Gods' pride

[rustic vale]

About as much as bronze skin combos with hangover

Yes

[rustic falcon]

nice

so now i have 50% for boons to be epic

and 27% for heroic then

[rustic vale]

…no

And I’m not sure if it’s additive like that

But it won’t take your heroic chance higher then 0%

[rustic falcon]

oh

so is heroic only obtainable if the gods give a core boon to replace the one you have

[solar vault]

you can never find heroic naturally has to be a swap or rare crop or eurydice ambrosia delight

[rustic falcon]

oh

so how does gods pride work with slothful favor or other things that increase boon rarity

[rustic vale]

I’m not sure if the chance is additive with the base chance or multiplicative off of the base chance

But I’m pretty sure rarity boosting boons are additive w/ the bonus

[rustic vale]

Also the boon is just chaos favour, slothful is the curse for that specific time you picked it up

[rustic falcon]

oh

[latent moon]

love it when the tiny arrows crit for 30 damage instead of my main attack which can deal ~200 damage without a crit

[opal wharf]

yes

[proud nexus]

https://open.spotify.com/track/69s5SmUf6338a0w4J8c8GC?si=p7NyJGyESYq5W-_cqHjsRA

[rustic falcon]

does nourished soul affect guan yu's life stealing spin attack

ok nvm nourished soul doesnt help much on guan yu aspect its still 1 hp per hit i think

and pulling off the charged attack is already annoying

[stone rune]

just spam skewer

[high island]

Guan Yu guide: #h1-discussion message

[woeful trout]

What’s the worst duo boon

[latent moon]

unshakable mettle

or parting shot

[stone rune]

not if you have nyaanyaa's indubitably brilliant guide

[solar vault]

the triangle method

freezing vortex seems pretty bad too

[latent moon]

oh yeah that too

im tempted to say that it's useful on slicing flare beo but also slicing flare beo is a different issue

[plain jackal]

Hey everyone. I'm a fairly new Hades player and I was looking for a place to ask questions. I have managed to clear up to 4 heat, but I've literally only ever completed a clear with Chiron.

My approach so far has been try and master and upgrade one aspect at a time. So first was Chiron, now I'm working a bit on Nemesis, but I still haven't managed to kill Hades with it lol

[latent moon]

the more consistent build for chiron is dionysus special -> aphrodite attack -> low tolerance duo

pom the crap out of your special

use privileged status

[plain jackal]

That's been my favorite so far. Heart rend is fun... IF you get at least 1 good hammer.

[latent moon]

the hammer in question being concentrated volley lmao

% based specials on chiron are pretty mediocre until you get that

[plain jackal]

Yeah. Relentless is viable too

though definitely not as good

[latent moon]

i mean yeah but it's not too great unless you have a low level chiron

[plain jackal]

I maxed it out

but I'm struggling SO much to get a win with nemesis

it feels like I'm just perma dying

[latent moon]

heart rend is pretty typical on it

or classic merciful end

[plain jackal]

I haven't ever done merciful end yet

that's athena + doom right?'

[latent moon]

pretty much yeah

the prereqs for it is super strict tho

so start doom (rare or epic), get athena special, find duo, get divine dash, get impending doom

only the atk and special opens up ME

[plain jackal]

Seems like that doesn't particularly synergize with nemesis though?

is that just a general sword build?

[latent moon]

general melee build that will always work

if you get the boons

the damage you can output with it is extremely high and fast

[plain jackal]

nice

[latent moon]

for more aspect-specific stuff, nemesis likes heart rend

deadly reversal works too, but heart rend is better

[rustic falcon]

ngl i love deadly flourish on the guan yu special the critical damage is so good

[plain jackal]

Is it a bad idea to rely on duos before you have enough darkness to increase the odds all the way?

or just go for it anyways

[latent moon]

legit only like 2 builds use gods legacy

the duos aren't really make or break

[plain jackal]

got it

[latent moon]

except for those 2 builds

so you always want to use gods pride

the only times you would consider using gods' legacy is for Merciful End or mirage shot on beowulf

[manic vine]

As someone who picked this twice, out of all of both Demeter's and Aphro's boons, it's the worst for both.

..Second worst for Demeter.

I do have 4 diamonds because of prophecy hunting, what should I get?

I want to get Vanquisher's Keep so I can get more gemstones

But I don't know how much they give per boss

[stone rune]

it adds up

10 20 30 50

[manic vine]

Thanks ^^

[woeful trout]

Goddamn Hestia is broken

I BEAT EM4

[austere harbor]

IM SO PROUD OMFG

[whole tartan]

Game tried to troll me on a PB heat Rama run at Styx with TD3

[hallow fern]

what's em4

can someone explain hades terminology to me

[solar vault]

if you scroll all the way in #h1-high-heat-strategies pinned

em4 is extreme measures 4, pact option which makes the hades fight harder and has to be unlocked by buying it from the contractor

[silver mica]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/969894546110570536/1073908947049779260/Screenshot_20230211_101011_Reddit.jpg

I can dream of this happening lmfao

[opal wharf]

honestly yah

[limber ether]

damn I tried stubborn defiance guan yu but I was not skilled enough to pull it off lmao

[high island]

Have you read my Guan Yu guide? #h1-discussion message

[limber ether]

yes

I just died to dumb stuff, my damage output was quite high

[high island]

Guan Yu punishes any small mistake a lot harder than other aspects.

[limber ether]

fml i'm actually gonna lose twice in a row on low heat

it's not a build problem, it's a me walking into every projectile and trap problem

[high island]

Be kind to yourself. It takes a lot of practice and experience to become consistent.

And even then you sometimes make "stupid" moves.

[opal wharf]

been switching my mirror of the night bonuses lately

big fan of the bonus damage on full health ennemies

comes up way more than i thought

also i love the single dash upgrade

[limber ether]

I appreciate the encouragement

I actually did win that one though

it just would have been tilting as I feel I've been pretty consistent ever since I got my mirror up/had some idea of what things were good

looking back at the archives, I haven't lost 2 in a row since my third win actually (haven't played that many games though), would have been unfortunate to break that streak

[limber ether]

ty hypnos

I tried it

[mint coral]

Force heightened security on all your pacts so you force yourself to not step on the traps

And dad pots while you are at it

[high island]

The best high heat players have lost a lot more runs than they've won.

[limber ether]

yeah that's cos it's high heat lmao

[high island]

And probably much higher loss streaks than win streaks.

[limber ether]

I'm playing low heat for the rewards

[high island]

We all started somewhere.

[limber ether]

lmao fair

[gray apex]

My winrate is 2%

take it or leave it

[limber ether]

one day I will do higher heat and my winrate will tank

lmao yes but I'm less likely to win because I'm bad

[opal wharf]

the damage bonus from thanato's keepsake doesnt stay if i change keepsake right ?

[void vigil]

Nope

[peak carbon]

https://imgur.com/gallery/vtNVI7V

Mfw best buff for best weapon

[opal wharf]

so let me guess this straight

the last stage

the satyre infested mess

the rooms dont count as rooms for thanatos keepsake

but they do for persephone ?

kind of bs tbh

ok rama with the thanatos keepsake and a +100% from aphrodite is a bit absurd

21k crits too

[rustic vale]

Tbh

Thanatos keepsake is really bad

[rustic vale]

Only the final chamber of the tunnels counts for plume and butterfly, all rooms in styx count for mom pom

[gleaming moth]

I wouldn't call it bad, but not as good as the dodge %+ one in many builds

[rustic vale]

neither are good

Well

At least plume has a niche

For funny dodge builds

[gleaming moth]

I made a dodge+damage reduction build once with Zagreus aspect Malphon, was not bad at all, just ignoring Hades at the end. I'm not going for super high heat anyway 😛

[rustic vale]

But neither are really worth taking over god keepsakes in tart and asphodel and taking them later then that is just asking to get too little of a bonus from them

[opal wharf]

thats what i thought

[gleaming moth]

True, they both make your build quite inflexible

[thorny mirage]

how much better would they be if you could keep the bonuses after you swapped the keepsake off

[gray apex]

Probably the same

Just a waste of a keepsake slot regardless

[rustic vale]

Still not good for the same reasons as above

[thorny mirage]

fair enough

[opal wharf]

going from hidden bow to regular bow feels like playing on 2x speed lmao

[rustic vale]

It’s not like rama is 2nd fastest bow or anything

[opal wharf]

guh ?

[rustic vale]

it is

Hera > Rama > Zag bow > Chiron

For speed

[opal wharf]

what da hell...

[rustic vale]

Or actually

I’m not sure how zag bow and chiron compare

[opal wharf]

speed of what

exactly

[rustic vale]

speedrunning, not speed of charging up strike

[opal wharf]

damn

how do they do it

but yeah i was speaking about charging speed

[rustic vale]

I know you were

I was just executing a joke badly

[opal wharf]

well technically

its still the 2nd fastest charging bow

since all the others are at the same speed

[rustic vale]

Also true

[latent moon]

chiron doesnt have a sub6 modded lol

zag does

also zag is just inherently faster due to how long it takes to actually deal damage on chiron

but also yeah rama can be incredibly fast with enough talent

2nd place unmodded anyheat is rama

used to be wr until croven decided to take it lol

[rustic vale]

I had also noticed Chiron is higher then zag bow unmodded and doubted myself

[latent moon]

oh is it lmao

oh that's kinda cursed

by 7 seconds tho

so i guess somewhat similar

might've been a really good chiron run with good skips

[silver mica]

I..

Legitimately almost died to EM3 Theseus

Lucky i got premium kiss of styx from pat, gosh

Now just to either grab tooth or hope I can buy a defiance

Nvm I sold boons for it

[strong steppe]

Good luck ^^

[silver mica]

Damn I died to Hades

I was in that moment of delay between the attack and the block for bull rush

[opal wharf]

very sad

[silver mica]

Alr I got him this time

I can rest easy npw

I have a question

What does dark foresight actually do

I don't get what the description is saying 😭

[thorny mirage]

more gold doors

[dull niche]

its a little confusing, but there are "blue laurel" rewards and "gold laurel" rewards

[thorny mirage]

stuff like hammers gold boons

[dull niche]

blue are like. darkness, gems nectar. gold is that yeah, hammers, gold, boons, poms

[thorny mirage]

instead of darkness nectar or

Gems

[dull niche]

generally gold laurels are stronger for the run

[thorny mirage]

Yeah

I generally always have it on

Since it’s never an issue finding meta currency

[high island]

Important to note that the description says "+20% chance" but it's actually the ratio that is changed. So if for example the normal ratio was 50:50 for gold to blue laurels, Dark Foresight would change that to 70:30, which is a 40% increase in gold laurels rather than 20%. And it's not just a chance but actually a guaranteed ratio, meaning you'll basically always see that many more gold laurels.

[silver mica]

I think I get it

Ty everyone

[slender mist]

when you finally beat a run with every weapon

[plain jackal]

That's awesome. I'm still working on my second

What'd you save for last?

[slender mist]

The bow

I finally got a build that worked

[dense iron]

How many times do you need to see the furyies before you can get meg's favor. I'm trying to get it but it's not happening

[mint ember]

...duo boon 4th chamber what is this nonsense

[silver mica]

Cause you had the best god on your side

The God of RNG

[limber ether]

hyper sprint or quick reload (common) for crush shot hera?

[latent moon]

is this first or second hermes

[limber ether]

first

[latent moon]

if it's first hermes, you can take hyper sprint to bank on rush delivery on next hermes

unless this is a lower level hera, then quick reload might be useful

[limber ether]

ty

[empty swallow]

https://strawpoll.com/polls/05ZdWW3RVg6
The tournament continues

[limber ether]

just got clockets and it feels almost pointless to even use my attack

special damage is ridiculous

[stone rune]

well

you should probably still attack

[limber ether]

yeah I'm getting that chip damage in between one-shotting lmao

[prisma wind]

Clockets do be like that