h1-discussion

[stone rune]

yeah

hestia isn't particularly utilisable at lower levels

[tired karma]

bruh
I just entered the game and every achievement I already got started to pop off with this annoying sound
weird bug

[mint abyss]

I'm just trying to get the rewards

[high island]

In that case, your best option is to select Eris next time you're in the courtyard or get Hestia up to Lv.4 or ideally Lv.5 if you can.

[stone rune]

eris

[mint abyss]

I see, I will use eris then later

[stone rune]

that's a gun you can slap some lightning strike on and have fun

[brisk trail]

this game makes me suicidal sometimes

i was having a great run and how its falling shorter than a midget with scoliosis

[high island]

Let's not be ableist.

[brisk trail]

😐

[wide sparrow]

Guys im having the worst headache

[high island]

There's medicine for that.

[stone rune]

?

[tired karma]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1036258237420412940/1068661475473883186/Hades_Screenshot_2023.01.28_-_00.38.41.59.png

nice luck I got there, 0 offensive boons up until elysium

[vital spade]

Hades

https://tenor.com/view/christmas-grinch-smile-gif-24236744

[rustic falcon]

omg the anvil from styx gave me cluster bomb and rocket bomb

this si so much damage wow

[high island]

Clockets moment.

[rustic falcon]

i also have body slam thing from posiedon so now whenever they hit walls they just insta dead too

what does being marked mean

[high island]

Poseidon moment.

[rustic falcon]

does it do extra critical

[high island]

Hunter's Mark?

You get crit chance on marked enemies.

[rustic falcon]

ah i see

my cluster bombs are marking enemies so this just cluster bomb spam run now

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/759094137277644854/1068665886166224977/image.png

which one should i take strong drink or dio aid

i am in styx rn so i think i will encounter one more fountain

but i am pretty low on hp tho

cuz poison

or acid

whatever those rat things drop

[high island]

Do you have Hangover in your build yet?

If no, then take his Call.

[rustic falcon]

oh yeah i dont have hangover yet, i did for dash but i switched it for posiedon dash because it was heroic

[high island]

That's good. Tidal Dash is BiS on rail.

[vital spade]

Did any of y’all taste Pepsi’s new soda that’s replacing the permanently discontinued Sierra Mist?

[rustic falcon]

hide breaker or clean mist

if i have a cast that does aoe damage is the cast technically stuck on every enemy it did AoE damage on or just the first enemy it hit

[high island]

Idk what's the third option?

[rustic falcon]

exit wounds, hide breaker, and clean kill

[high island]

Just the enemy it hits. There's a little bloodstone icon next to their HP gauge.

[rustic falcon]

ah i se

tho i have a prophecy on hide breaker and clean kill

[high island]

I'd probably take Exit Wounds tbh, might do something vs bosses.

[rustic falcon]

fated choice

[high island]

Ah.

Then just take whichever.

[rustic falcon]

i was also thinking more on exit wound before because it sounded the best armor isnt that big deal rn for me so exit wounds would help more tho i didnt know if i should becuase fated choice

[high island]

Asking here is already taking way longer than any optimization between those three choices would save you in real time in a run lol.

[rustic falcon]

fair

[dire tendon]

hey I just swapped to controller from keyboard, what are good general control schemes to follow?

[gray apex]

Most people tend to change their reload to a shoulder/bumper and their cast to a shoulder/bumper (when playing cast weps)

[dire tendon]

i put call and summon on joystick clicks, what's a good filler for the triggers?

[high island]

You'll want to use Calls in the heat of battle for i-frames, so I don't recommend putting that on the sticks.

To be clear, any Call gives i-frames on activation.

[dire tendon]

to the b button it goes then (xbox)

coolio i didnt know that

[high island]

Personally, I just use default controls except Reload on LB/L1. And if I play Hera or Beowulf, I swap Cast to LB/L1.

[rustic vale]

Also just having your call be a nice button to use it good

[high island]

That's probably the most popular config at high level. Some players put Reload on LT/L2 instead.

[dire tendon]

hm ill try default for a bit then

[rustic vale]

I don’t think I’ve swapped off default controls for my 395 hours

[high island]

A bit more rarely, some high level players put Dash on some bumper or trigger etc. etc.

[rustic vale]

Speedrun Hades but using a bongo drum or something to control it

[raw herald]

That’s what I do

[high island]

Yeah. And then you put up bongo drum Hades speedrun WR, and two minutes later, Croven uploads a run that beats it by a couple seconds.

Not worth it.

Or actually worth it now that I think about it.

[dire tendon]

ok ive played like a minute of this, having all 4 basic moves on the buttons feels kinda clunky

[slim geyser]

my dash is on rt, attack on lt

[high island]

It's gonna feel "clunky" regardless of what your controls are if you lack practice.

[echo coral]

once youve done like 4-5 runs it becomes second nature

[high island]

The only two face buttons that you'll frequently press together are Dash and Attack.

[rustic vale]

Dash and special if on fists

[rustic vale]

I wanna see a sub6 croven hera run using a bongo

[latent moon]

is it like, multiple bongos for different inputs
or like different volume/force for different inputs

[slim geyser]

multiple

[latent moon]

or where you slap the bongo

[slim geyser]

you can power shot by using just enough force on the attack bongo

[latent moon]

that's like, 8 bongos?

for croven

[rustic vale]

I imagine where you slap the bongo but uh

[latent moon]

on hera i'm assuming

[rustic vale]

Now I’m thinking about how you would charge bow shots

[latent moon]

flurry lmao

[high island]

Nah, you just press Dash and then Special.

[rustic vale]

True

[high island]

Or Dash-Attack and then Special.

[latent moon]

without flurry croven gets pretty point blank iirc

idk

[slim geyser]

beo kinda just bongo

[rustic vale]

C1 flurry

[high island]

Discord pushed the other reply up, so I rended up replying to the wrong.

Love when that happens.

[high island]

Yes. Hera you wanna fire mostly from point-blank so you don't need to charge.

[latent moon]

c2 flurry is better

get like, 2 louts for c2 hammer

that's prob the best way to get flurry asap for bongo hera

[mint abyss]

Interesting to see Heroic type of boon xD

[tired karma]

if the death defiance that athena gives is used in one instance does it refresh in the next one or is it a one thing in the entire game

[latent moon]

i think you can only get the boon once

and it just stays with you even if it gets used

because it would affect other death defiances i would assume

also you cant purge it

[brisk trail]

does the aspect of arthur slows foes or makes so that they cant move? it says slows but it looks like they cant move

[latent moon]

i think you might have the hammer greater consecration?

[brisk trail]

it suppose to slow them?

[gray apex]

Nah

[brisk trail]

and like that aura that it makes does enemys cant enter it?

or just slow them

[gray apex]

That just increases the range of the aura

Do you have Chill

[brisk trail]

yep

[gray apex]

That’s why

[brisk trail]

why they wont move?

[gray apex]

They’re just gonna be really slow they’re slow already

[latent moon]

oh does consecration not slow enemies

[gray apex]

It just makes the aura bigger

[brisk trail]

and what does aura does?

[gray apex]

Damage reduction and slows enemies

[brisk trail]

can enemys enter it?

[gray apex]

Yes

[gray apex]

It also slows projectiles

[latent moon]

it does make enemies slower lmao

unless hellfire bot scammed me

[gray apex]

Damn really

[brisk trail]

why dose the chill make so they cant move? its just 4%

[latent moon]

yeah it makes them 10% slower

[latent moon]

per stack

[gray apex]

My 2 attempts worth of arthur experience not paying off rn

[latent moon]

lmfao

[gray apex]

But ye ig

That

And chill

Maybe killing freeze

They basically wont move

[brisk trail]

no i had an aura active will an enemy spawned in it and it didnt have chill and it still didnt mov

move

[latent moon]

Press Special button to use Hallowed Ground, creating a static aura that gives you damage reduction, disables traps, slows the speed of enemy projectiles and prevents souls of Exalted from moving.

that's from the wiki

was it a soul?

[dire tendon]

ok one run in and yeah im getting used to the 4 buttons

considering i typically play hera and beowulf i dont think it'll be too bad if i remap cast

[brisk trail]

sorry

love you

[brisk trail]

go to #h1-for-new-players so you wont get spoiilers if you only done one run

[dire tendon]

nonono one run on controller

[brisk trail]

ohhh

sorry i am dumdb

[dire tendon]

is ok'

[latent moon]

better to stay there until you get 10 wins lol

[brisk trail]

idk but it seems that it makes a lot of enemy so that they cant move

[brisk trail]

i got like 6-8

[tired karma]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1036258237420412940/1068686979543347220/asdfsadfasdf.png

good run but shіt game throws 5 styx rooms at me

[latent moon]

there's still various story stuff that might get spoiled for you lol

huh dyno bot deciding to take a vacation i see

[brisk trail]

cant takj about that in the new hades channel since it spoillers

wait i still dont get why it makes enemys so that cant move

[latent moon]

neither do i lmao

[brisk trail]

can you check for me if it does it for you also?

i hope my games isnt glitched

[latent moon]

i'd rather not play arthur lol

doubt the game is glitched

it's prob just the slow affect

[brisk trail]

in tartarus there are those big orange dudes right? it seems they wont move at all when i use arua

[analog elbow]

That's how the aura works

They barely move as is

[brisk trail]

the aura slows

not making them stand comlitly steel

i am talking about the tall ones not the fat

[analog elbow]

If you're playing with the hidden sword aspect, it's not a bug

[brisk trail]

doesnt it suppose to just slow them?

[latent moon]

i mean they're probably just very slow

[brisk trail]

they dont move i think they would move a little bit

[dire tendon]

ayyy got my first sub 12 on controller

god beowulf is busted

i got mirage shot in the styx fountain chamber 💀 never too late

[brisk trail]

i just got the request from chaos to take his trinket into the fight with hades. can i just switch to it right before entering the temple of styx?

[high island]

Yeah, that works.

[brisk trail]

sweet!

[worn crag]

it does hella damage doe

[worn crag]

what if there was a boomerang weapon and it had aspect of bananarang

special throws a banana peel on the floor which is like a trap

supergiant hire me pls

[latent moon]

there's other things that do more damage and is faster

[worn crag]

u r going to make me cri

[latent moon]

lmao

[worn crag]

hades knife idea

attack does bad dmg but backstabs instakill

your special is a revolver

and you always can turn invisible

what does yalls thinks about this

[high island]

Shield Special is a frisbee, that's close enough to a boomerang.

[worn crag]

you know what makes the shield special so good

[high island]

And if you use Chaos Aspect, you'll have the same DPS as if you used a banana.

So there's that.

[worn crag]

you not being able to use your attack while doing so

my favorite is aspect of zeus doe

i liek it

it seems well rounded

[high island]

Zeus Shield is great.

[worn crag]

finally i have the correct opinion

[high island]

Not the fastest at low heat, but also not greatly affected by the pacts that slow you down in high heat.

Most pact-resistant aspect in the game imo.

[worn crag]

honestly i noticed that too

[dire tendon]

zeus is funny because you just stack onhit and sit afk

i want to see the full onhit zeus + hunting blades

the blender build

[tall trench]

when the lernie heads don't want to come out of the lava after spawning

*MAGMA

[rustic vale]

Melee weapon problems

[rustic vale]

I was so close

[tall trench]

Zag should have learned to throw swords

[rustic vale]

Tbf the best dps for the ranged weapons is near melee range anyways but

[tall trench]

trying to get a first run clear again today, wish me luck.
I have found once more, it seems, that insufficient supplies of confectionary chicle have left me with but the solitary choice to commit myself to the act of kicking butt

[rustic falcon]

the one time i get thanatos in the house he is talking with Nyx

[pastel monolith]

im so bad at em4

ive been doing these random 20 heat runs with stubborn defiance, em4, middle managment, benefit package 1, forced overtime 1, and 7m deadline.
and im not allowed to use god keepsakes,
i go coinpurse in tartarus, mom pom in asphodel, hourglass in elysium, and acorn in styx

its been quite a challenge tbh depending on the aspect and randomness..
its fun tho

i might have neglected to mention a heat but i think thats it

also i have to fight charon every time

[native blade]

...

How?

[latent moon]

Prob just fight whenever available

[rustic vale]

Willingly

[native blade]

But it sounds like they somehow manifested a Charon fight every run.

And if hey did I want that.

[native blade]

TELL ME YOUR SECRETS!!!!

[pastel monolith]

oh ya no i meant my rule is i have to fight him if i see him lol

im trying to get better at em4 and charon fight and random builds

[rustic vale]

Just like how I take every erebus gate

[pastel monolith]

i need to start takin more too , i get hit a lot lol

[dire tendon]

ok so update on the learning controller thing:

this is so much better

[pastel monolith]

unless i have bow or gun i pretty much always eat onions

[dire tendon]

we are not missing those shots

[rustic falcon]

any tips for getting 2k coins in a single run for the chiron shop in styx to buy diamond and the titan blood

i cant get past 1k for some reason

[dire tendon]

uhhhh

use golden touch

and hoard

[solar vault]

took guan yu for the first time after doing it at 0 heat for the prophecy and yup it made me die to champions

[dire tendon]

if you want damage go sword, hoarding slash, and be prepared to lose to hades

[tall trench]

I had a great first file run going and then I threw it away dying to trash in styx

[pastel monolith]

chaos and poseidan have boons that can give u more money, sell boons

dont buy stuff

[tall trench]

hoarding slash is pretty bad tbh, even for sword

[dire tendon]

i mean yeah it sucks but its some sort of damage

[tall trench]

It's like a quite small flat boost of damage with a huge opportunity cost attached to it though

[solar vault]

if you go and do every styx tunnel you can usually get together a couple hundred at least

[pastel monolith]

if u have no pommable boons, poms give u money

[tall trench]

why would you need 2k obols? There's only one big item per run

going with way less than 1k into styx you should be fine even if you don't clear all tunnels

[pastel monolith]

ya styx tunnels give a lot of money, especially if u have side hustle from hermes

[dire tendon]

just go for the chaos money boon

and something self sufficient like a cast build

but honestly its probably just better to just start spamming runs

than saving for the thingy

though that requires a lot of weapon proficiency

[latent moon]

You can get better damage with other weapons and still hoard gold tbh

[pastel monolith]

ya i wouldn't recommend buying blood or diamonds from styx generally unless u just happen to have enough money

[dire tendon]

yeah

[rustic vale]

Just replicate this https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/1065503567785504789/IMG_2793.jpg

[tall trench]

I find you can get to Charon's shop with enough obols to buy either the thing or items pretty consistently while just focusing on clearing bounties or whatever, also pretty consistent to get the thing and most if not all the other items, but usually you'd have to do more than 2 tunnels for it

[rustic vale]

Also it’s charon

[tall trench]

Or if you get there and you know you don't need anything else in the shop though. It's easy to waste money making the last 5 minutes of your run 1% stronger when you are already more than ready for the dad fight, better to take home titan blood at least you can keep it

[pastel monolith]

ya if ur run is solid andbu have time why not

[rustic vale]

Hoarding slash isn’t even that great on the obol meme runs unless you hit truely high amounts of obols because the obols are added as extra damage after all the damage calculations

[high island]

If you don't skip mid-shops, you'll see him in about half of your runs.

[solar vault]

theoretically would flurry and hoarding make sense together since there are more attacks for the flat damage to matter

[tall trench]

I think its around a 22% chance each mid? I noticed when I am going for mids it feels pretty easy to get charon

[rustic vale]

Uup

[pastel monolith]

ya i did a hoarding slash run with arthur and i had like 5000k gold and the shackle and it was still underwhelming

[native blade]

Lel, fair.

[dire tendon]

i haven't tried em4 yet

ive mostly been going for max speed

should i try 32 heat?

[rustic vale]

Tbh you kind of need double edge to make the most of hoarding slash

[tall trench]

5k gold lol charons bag, heroic side hustle (is that even a thing), 4 epic chaos gold boons, sold parting shot 5 times

[dire tendon]

ive only been speed-clearing so far

[rustic vale]

Yes it’s a thing

[tall trench]

Do 31 heat
dare to dream differently

[dire tendon]

maybe

what are good beginner aspects for high heat

[pastel monolith]

haha ya 31 heat is way cooler

[native blade]

Damn, time to get rich then cuz ion wanna waste a room.

[rustic vale]

You just need to take purple side hustle into eurydice

[pastel monolith]

well its one heat cooler

[dire tendon]

ive been maining beowulf and hera for speedruns but i dont think theyre very good for high heat

[rustic vale]

Zeus, rama, eris, achilles,

Beowulf

[dire tendon]

mmm i think i'll take some range

my rama is rank 1 so maybe not the best rn

[raw herald]

Beo is v good for high heat

[dire tendon]

ill try the wulf then

[pastel monolith]

beo with charge shot tho

[dire tendon]

should i start off going for flood flare or shackle

also also also final question

[rustic vale]

Flood flare

[pastel monolith]

flopd

[dire tendon]

do i keep the speedrun mods on

prolly not right

[latent moon]

You can if you want

[rustic vale]

If you want to?

[latent moon]

No reason not to

[tall trench]

I think 32 Hestia and Beo are fairly easy to break into, achilles if you get a good hammer would be nice. The bows are fun too but I found I had issues with time the first couple bow runs as I adjusted

[dire tendon]

i suppose thats fair

[pastel monolith]

also if u havent already, remap the cast button to a shoulder or trigger when u play hera or beo

[dire tendon]

yep ive been doing that

[tall trench]

Okay cool, figured that would work but wasn't sure

[rustic vale]

Shackle is the right answer only for certain aspects
Generally speaking, shackle is not the right keepsake

[dire tendon]

ill go mess aroudn with my mod settings then give it a shot

[pastel monolith]

ya shackle is for weird times not a good keepsake in general

[tall trench]

for beo I usually prioritize getting mirage shot asap, so floodflare and arty ASAP are the focus

Beo can carry at least 32 without mirage but its just like the biggest thing in that run as far as the difference it would make afaik

[latent moon]

Just do the igt preset lol

[dire tendon]

whats that preset?

what do it do?

[latent moon]

Ngl no clue I just did it from the start and never changed any settings

And it's given me all the benefits lmao

Just have the normal stuff on

[pastel monolith]

im so jealous of pc players and ur mods

[latent moon]

Guaranteed hammer choice, guaranteed 2 sack

[tall trench]

I think its no vorime (so all 4 core boons on first boon), 2 sack, natural than and chaos

hammers yeah

[dire tendon]

oh igt removes than and stuff

[latent moon]

Than and chaos aren't part of mod

[latent moon]

No rta removes than

[dire tendon]

rta

mb

whoops

[latent moon]

Just do igt lol

[tall trench]

I was talking about the speedrun modpack, than and chaos are in that

[pastel monolith]

doesnt it remove barge too and tiny vermin

[dire tendon]

but uhhhh ill just keep everything vanilla except first hammer and vorime

[latent moon]

Well than is rta specific, chaos isn't part of it at all unless there was an update

[tall trench]

I think they're just not mucked with (set to natural) for the igt ruleset

[latent moon]

Natural than isn't guaranteed ever

[tall trench]

No it's not gauranteeing than as my understanding

[latent moon]

Crovens modded wr doesn't have than

[tall trench]

its vanilla than

My version might have those settings if yours is older I guess since you'e oobviously had it for longer

[latent moon]

When did they update it lmao

[tall trench]

Lol I have no idea I just download from the pins

[dire tendon]

hm ive never tried em4

[latent moon]

Ik hypermodded is a thing but wasn't aware of any changes to the current one

[dire tendon]

i probably wont get to it but hey might be fun to put it on

[tall trench]

I've heard of hypermodded but not really sure what that was

[latent moon]

Guaranteed Hermes boons iirc

And guaranteed second hammer maybe?

[tall trench]

I mean, the in-effect settings don't seem to have changed, but the speedrun modpack I got is both for IGT and RTA, so it has the chaos/than settings, they're just vanilla/unmodified when IGT is selected

meh not interested in hypermod Ig

[dire tendon]

does beowulf take damage control?

[tall trench]

maybe if you were really chasing a record or something. Taking too much RNG out doesn't feel great for more casually playing

[latent moon]

It's good for higher end of speedrunning and extremely high heat

[latent moon]

No

[rustic vale]

Nothing takes damage control until like 50 heat

[dire tendon]

damn

[tall trench]

I would not that sounds not fun

[latent moon]

Wrong, rama and Zeus at least can take dc at 40

[rustic vale]

That’s 1/12 of the aspect

[latent moon]

Luci

[rustic vale]

1/8

[latent moon]

Ngl nonhestia rails if they felt like it

But yeah generally you don't take dc until a lot later

[dire tendon]

oh i cant send images in this channel

[rustic vale]

Either wat

[dire tendon]

that makes more sense

uhhhh

[rustic vale]

Not till 40 heat at the eariest

[dire tendon]

how can i send the heat for feedbackl

[latent moon]

image link

[rustic vale]

You can send the image

[latent moon]

or upload to imgur

[rustic vale]

Via the image limk

[dire tendon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725064053466333265/1068748185301942292/image.png

ah

[rustic vale]

IE: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/1065503567785504789/IMG_2793.jpg

Ah I’m late

[latent moon]

see pins in #h1-high-heat-strategies lol

[rustic vale]

Js2 and cf2

[dire tendon]

that sounds smart

[tall trench]

Yeah I'd start with that pin, at least it gives a good baseline to start understanding where and why you'd want to deviate

[dire tendon]

damn i have to play stubborn defiance

that sucks

[latent moon]

tldr:
em4 bad, run killer
lc4 SD not as bad as it seems
td3 is fine if you dont take js2
unless you're comfortable with fo1 already, i wouldn't recommend taking it. go up to hl5 instead

[tall trench]

for 32 you don't have to, someone was arguing for it last week ish and I tried it and it was okay if you tone down LC

[rustic vale]

Stubborn defiance isn’t bad

[tall trench]

I would take stubborn though

to me that was still easier

[dire tendon]

ive been playing all my runs with fo2

[rustic vale]

I think that stubborn defiance + lc4 is so much easier then anything else you can take at 32 though

[dire tendon]

so i think ill be fine ish

[latent moon]

HL5 LC4 CF2 EM3 BP2 MM UC TD3

[latent moon]

in that case just take fo2

take fo2, change hl5 to hl1 and cf2 to cf0

[dire tendon]

i didnt say i was comfortable with it i said i was playing with it lol i tank hits like crazy

[latent moon]

oh lmao

fo1 is probably fine

[dire tendon]

oh well why not keep it consistent

[rustic vale]

Turn on hellmode btw them, personal liability is like super duper free when taking a bunch of hits

[tall trench]

I think they were doing LC2 with CP or AP even I forget, but I agree, there's nothing free to cover the LC reduction

[latent moon]

with this pact if you take fo1, prob go down to ike hl2 or hl3 cf1

[latent moon]

lc2 ap1

cp is horrible

haelian's pact is something like that

[dire tendon]

eh screw it ill give this a shot

ill probably lose damn early but itll be fun

[latent moon]

dw you're using beo

you are aware of the mirage bug right

[dire tendon]

big damage

[latent moon]

also your mirror is good right

very cool

[dire tendon]

i have 1 dd so i think we chillin

[latent moon]

isnt the idea to use SD

[dire tendon]

yeah i have it

(had to unlock it lmao)

huh some of these guys just be teleporting

cool

alright i guess we're going for the 6 god pool this run

gonna be fun

[latent moon]

what why lmao

how did that happen

oh did you get a 5 god pool without arty

midshop shenanigans

[dire tendon]

mhm

[latent moon]

honestly based

hey that's more fam favs damage!

[dire tendon]

ok tartarus was pretty easy

fam favs coming in clutch what can i say

[tall trench]

When you get ME on the 4th boon 🙏

[pastel monolith]

i started doing a lot better with 32 heat when i started doing max deadline and max lasting consequence and stubborn defiance

i was struggling for a while but when i got used to the new pact it got a lot easier and i managed to get 32 on every aspect

as long as i dont have em4 lol if i can get to hades im basicslly home free lol

[tall trench]

I feel like the standard stubborn defiance LO4 pact is pretty great, both in isolation and for learning. One downside is that it isn't like teaching em4 but that's kinda its own thing. I feel like its important to learn TD3 and the stubborn defiance makes it easier to learn the time crunch without being overly punished for mistakes in trash rooms

Plus with LC4 you can strategize around no healing and not even chase it, at least not direct sources of healing, unlike LC2 where there's sometimes more to think about

[dire tendon]

ok no mirage lernie is brutal

lost my first athena dd

[pastel monolith]

its so freeing to not worry about buying health and replacement DDs

once u get used to it

plus the athena trick for extra dds if necessary

[tall trench]

The only trick with lernie and beo is resisting the urge to bull rush into the waiting arms of his head pounding

[dire tendon]

i have power shot ;-;

[tall trench]

Yeah lol. I only did one 32 heat DD run and its like mostly just trying to not take any chip damage and fishing for defiance recoveries after bad boss

[tall trench]

Oh you're using bow my bad

hera?

[latent moon]

no it's beo cshot

i thought

each lernie head typically needs 3 casts to kill on beo cshot

with flood shot at least

[tall trench]

I thought that was like charge shot

But yeah 3 casts sounds right, with ME I think?

I mean mirage

[dire tendon]

idk the one where the shield shoots the bullet

[latent moon]

with mirage it's 2

[tall trench]

Ah gotcha

[latent moon]

no mirage is 3

sometimes more tbh

[tall trench]

I think its 3 with mirage and one +cast damage

I remember trying to practice the 2 shot charge + 1 shot charge on him last time

[latent moon]

with mirage it's just 2 from my experience

[tall trench]

Okay I though power shot was a bow thing, but I know the hammer you're talking about

I love that hammer for beo tbh

[latent moon]

cshot + 1 cast and mirage should kill armor, the second + mirage should kill the hp bar

[tall trench]

But I could see how it might mess with some movements

[mint coral]

I mean shield can also have a power shot

But is uh

[latent moon]

funny

[tall trench]

Okay, I may just be remembering a fight where I didn't get mirage pre-lernie, thanks for clarifying

[tall trench]

Isn't that the one where you just have a stronger bull rush lol

[high island]

Why think about the numbers when you can just do it instinctively and be right.

[latent moon]

yeah i do it instinctively lmao

i just know that a 3 cast volley kills a single lernie head

[tall trench]

yeah true I don't even look at the screen tbh I just feel the lernie fight through

[mint coral]

Has to be on perfect timing to get the dmg so

Iirc is a pretry big number but you get more dps by not fully loading anyways lol

[tall trench]

lol I'm good

[pastel monolith]

i kinda wana stop forced over time 1 bc i need practice with em4 and charon but also the goal is to get used to FO2 so i need the speed

[tall trench]

I mean sure extra damage is great but I feel like I'd go crazy trying to always initiate shots/rushes from the correct distance to make that happen and still probably lose DPS ultimately for trying

[pastel monolith]

i dont remember the last time i played without forced overtime 1

unless i was goin for something realy weird

[tall trench]

Someone with more experience should answer this, but my understanding was most people practice em4 kinda on its own at first, then incorporate it as part of building heat past 40

[tall trench]

why is the game in slow motion

[high island]

If you want to practice for FO2, play with FO2.

[mint coral]

^

[pastel monolith]

ya i should do a few without it probably.. usualy em4 is a mad scramble where I just try to do as much damage as possible and ibget hit a lot

[mint coral]

Knowing em4 standalone isnt gonna help much when you give him fo2

[pastel monolith]

i could do em4 and fo2 probably if i just use hestia .. i cant lose with hestia lol

not that ive tried it

[high island]

No point in practicing EM4 on its own for high heat. You could make a practice save with EM4 FO2, I guess, with a reasonable build. Better yet if you include HL5 and HS.

[tall trench]

Nah, that makes sense, now that I'm thinking about more. I kept mixing FO and TD in my head for some reason, FO has a much more tangible effect on the fight and how it feels so I agree

[pastel monolith]

my highest heat is 40 but it was em 3

[tall trench]

I think em3 is what most people do at 40? its what I did

[pastel monolith]

ya em 4 is just such a killer

[mint coral]

You mostly slap em4 at 50+

Prob a bit higher

[high island]

You don't need EM4 even at 50 Heat. EM4 practice for high heat would be for when you want to push beyond 50.

[mint coral]

I did 45 em4 but that was more self challenge than anything

[dire tendon]

LIGHT WORK LADS

[pastel monolith]

I think i just need practice on em4 but its hard bc its at the end of the run and i cand use mods
but someone taught me a good way to practice bosses.. u take the acorn and just quit and restart before u get hit 5 times

[dire tendon]

32 heat is way easier than i expecte

d

didnt get hit once on hades

[pastel monolith]

nice

!

[tall trench]

what chamber number is the last chamber before lernie under normal conditions
i just need a sanity check on which room to take here

[pastel monolith]

22

[stone rune]

22

[dire tendon]

(the 2 sack with double touch of styx didnt hurt either)

[high island]

Are you on PC?

[tall trench]

thanks to both

[stone rune]

22 is last combat 23 is the shop

[pastel monolith]

xbox

[stone rune]

so the chamber right before lernie is 23

[tall trench]

Nice grats on the fast win

[high island]

Ah. Can't create practice saves on Xbox.

[pastel monolith]

generally the last encounter chambers are
tartarus 12, asphodel 22, elysium 34

[high island]

I guess just keep EM4 FO2 on in every run.

[dire tendon]

i mean it was kinda a mix of beowulf being broken and stubborn defiance being surprisingly good

double touch of styx carried... styx

[tall trench]

I mean, couldn't you though? I don't have an xbox but I recall xbox souls players would do backup->restore loops just fine, couldn't one at least quick out right before a fight and keep restoring to that?

[pastel monolith]

idk how to do backup restore but that sounds pretty interesting

as long as its not a pain in the butt

[tall trench]

I think it's generally just backup up save data to USB or cloud and then overwriting your local copy when restoring it, not sure why you couldn't unless it's something specific to how saving hades on xbox works

[latent moon]

Just do like em4 fo2 at the minimum and if you want hl5
If you hate yourself you could add cp2

[stone rune]

alt f4 on pc after you've saved with a quit out works on pc so is there something similar

on xbox

[high island]

No idea about Xbox. I just know on Xbox you can't make a folder full of practice saves for various fights and aspects that you can load in whenever you want.

[pastel monolith]

whats cp2 again

[stone rune]

calisthenics

[latent moon]

Calisthenics program

[stone rune]

30% hp

[rustic vale]

+30% hp

[pastel monolith]

oh ya lol no wonder I forgot, i never ever touch cp

[tall trench]

yeah, that would be similar to PS experience, backing up is doable but way less conveniently

[stone rune]

i remember when i was just starting out with heat i only did cp and js

[pastel monolith]

theres some heats i just never use cp, routine inspection, heightened security

[high island]

Heightened Security is fun.

[tall trench]

Maybe this is the issue though, I don't do much with Hades saves... If you quit out of a run on Hades, you don't have to altf4 to preserve the file do you? Isn't it more of a standard "save and quit" function?

[high island]

Teaches you to actually learn room and trap layouts.

[pastel monolith]

i think I'm ready to start using heightened security

i dont get hit by traps a lot

i think

[stone rune]

after you get hit you can't quit out

[tall trench]

At that point if you just exit the game you can backup your save no?

oh well yeah

[high island]

lol you'll see how wrong you are when you turn it on.

[tall trench]

it wouldn't be savestate-equivalent

[stone rune]

styx

[pastel monolith]

ya styxl get me and dads pots

[stone rune]

dad pots do 150 on hs

[tall trench]

but still as a console only player having that save file to restore thats the room before EM4 FO2 dad might be nice

[pastel monolith]

but im gona start throwin on security i think

[stone rune]

even in tart you take 25

[tall trench]

dad pots, lava, and losing a good run in the styx due to being dumb

reasons why traps are wily and to be feared

[stone rune]

oh yeah

[tall trench]

At least if you die on a tart trap like

[stone rune]

lernie

[tall trench]

its still tart

[high island]

EM4 urns are brutal.

[stone rune]

lernie saaaaaaaaulks on hs em2

[solar vault]

the magma in lernie em2 is guaranteed damage

[stone rune]

if you're on like sword

[high island]

Always great when an EM4 traps spawns and hits you before you can see it.

[pastel monolith]

haelian got 56 heat new pb today

[high island]

Why? Just don't step on magma.

[dire tendon]

arthur gaming

[high island]

@rose trellis congratulations!

[tall trench]

You're doing a fresh file clear of Hades.
_You have ME, You have DR setup but don't have the boon yet. _
You can take gold, or dio, who isn't in my pool yet. End of asphodel.
You have a feeling your insanely good looks won't get you out of this one alone.

Do I take gold (at 147, shop is after, I'd probably get 150 before it without gold take), or do I accept the word of dio and hope for epic afterparty?

[high island]

Can't relate. My insanely good looks can get me out of anything.

[dire tendon]

i say you go for dio and roll the dice

[tall trench]

when the strategy guides are all too based to apply to you

[dire tendon]

then again i have no idea how first clear runs work

[tall trench]

That's okay I'm on like session 3 of them and I don't either

[dire tendon]

i should try a first clear run!

how do they work

[tall trench]

I feel like accepting dio slightly lowers my chances of DR since dio might show up in shops

[pastel monolith]

ive never made it past elysium on fresh file attempts

[tall trench]

but aftermath is just so helpful to not lose the run to dumb stuff in styx

All cores are filled so dio has a good chance to offer it I think

[latent moon]

Get ME, don't get hit, and win
Deadly reversal is nice, divine protection is very good
That's the fists of it

[pastel monolith]

ive made it to the boss a few times and even killed the bull once

[dire tendon]

i have no idea what that means but ill give it a shot

merciful end

here we come

[tall trench]

About half of my tries haven't made it out of asphodel tbh, but I was distracted last night.

[high island]

Can't get Strong Drink on first run sadly even though it was awesome, just because somebody posted in #520429761420591124-feedback that it shouldn't be possible because you hadn't bought fountains yet... but there's the fountains after the bosses, idk why the devs went along with that.

[tall trench]

omg I was screaming the last bit in my head reading this I agree lol

why

[latent moon]

Bruh

[tall trench]

The fountain rooms are just a nice bonus when you have strong drink

Okay I guess I'mma go for dio

[high island]

First run was so much easier for that short while when you could get Strong Drink.

[tall trench]

We'll see what my wine dad machine dispenses for me this time

[pastel monolith]

ya fresh file is brrrutal idk how ppl do it

anyone ever attempt a no hit run? i tried for a while.. styx always messes me up.. ive done each part separately without getting hit so i know i CAN do it .. but for an entire run... yikes

[tall trench]

I was just trying it to christen the new file in and underestimated how many little things add up to increase the challenge, but now I'm really into it. It's a fun challenge for someone who isn't necessarily chasing times

[dire tendon]

is it possible to get divine flourish first boon

[tall trench]

somehow I'm sure it's been done lol but I don't know personally. And same the consistency would be the hard part for me, isolation I think we've all been there with clutch nohits out of nowhere

[high island]

I even made a feedback post right below that one explaining that the boss fountains are still there and Strong Drink can help a ton if you can make it past the first boss... but the devs did it anyway.

[tall trench]

yes

unless you mean fresh file

then no

[dire tendon]

oh yeah fresh file

what do i take then

strike?

dash?

[tall trench]

yeah you can't

I would take dash

[pastel monolith]

dash probably

[high island]

Divine Dash because you want Curse of Agony on Attack.

For Merciful End.

[tall trench]

You sorta just hope to get flourish ASAP on the next athena boon

[pastel monolith]

dash doesnt go towards ME tho, but u still need it and its key with only 1 dash

[tall trench]

Yeah dash is still the best take and will at least help once you get ME

[pastel monolith]

divine dash is pretty much never the wrong choice lol

[dire tendon]

is it possible to get ares second or are you forced dio

[tall trench]

its possible, you could get any of the other fresh file gods after athena, which means it oculd be dio, ares, or arty. Obv you want ares next though, athena would be good too but getting agony earlier helps more with clearing tart imo than flourish

but you wanna get both asap so the good runs I have usually start with ares/athena, though dio has afterpary and can fill cast slot, arty has some nice things to go for, its just that you really want ME

[stone rune]

does the combo become q space m1 repeat?

[tall trench]

Q is special yeah? space... dash? combos would depend on weapon and aspect

[stone rune]

on fresh file

[pastel monolith]

ive done a second run clear on fresh file.. not nearly as impressive lol

[tall trench]

oh there's a great guide someone linked me, let me get it for you, but tldr, bread and butter is dash strike, attack, special, at least for a lot of things. cast cancel into dash strike helps for some enemies too

[latent moon]

Haelian got it with em4 iirc
Also I'm pretty sure there's a meta for it like fo1 with hestia and lightning rod + Rd and jolted

[pastel monolith]

ya haelians done em4 no hit run

[tall trench]

gonna grats you anyway I haven't had a win in 3 sessions so we take all victories here

[pastel monolith]

haelian also did em4 AFK with a revenge build.. honestly the most intense em4 fight ivr ever seen lol

[tall trench]

when you take damage from the last add of hades after doing nohit: Yeah that's jolted

[stone rune]

wow i really miss the +20% good laural

ares i will kill you myself

[tall trench]

it's funny how for like the first 5 attempts you just keep noticing little things you miss

ares and athena did this funny thing all through yesterday for me: Athena really wanted to give me her attack and Ares was plumb out of everything except specials

[tall trench]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_oh9SzY6ATt3mlwUj5988XrEdepX1qhpEMwlWvUXcNA/edit

I think there is plenty of other stuff out there and maybe some more exhaustive, but the combos in this guide seem really good and simply-explained

[dire tendon]

ok i do not like fresh file

too much rng

back to any% we go

[tall trench]

whah there's like less rng though

but god(s) speed

[dire tendon]

i have not seen ares yet

:/

[latent moon]

technically there's "less rng" but it's stupidly difficult still

for context, heroes fight has been compared to 40-45 heat and dad fight ~50 heat

[tall trench]

If you're like at the end of asphodel and haven't seen ares I'd probably restart, but tbh that's not happened to me yet in my admittedly small sample size of like 10 attempts

[dire tendon]

oh i havent gotten out of tartarus lmao

my playstyle is tank but clear fast

which admittedly is not a good one

but still

[tall trench]

oh yeah, definitely seems difficult regardless of RNG factors

[stone rune]

so

does modded always crash when you quit out after buying in a shop

[tall trench]

I mean obviously dragging encounters out does lengthen the chances to get hit but I found that I have done better as I've adjusted to slowing down some to clear more safely, since there is no timer

[latent moon]

not for me

i've quit out after wrong keepsake changes

[dire tendon]

oh yeah im also incredibly impatient

[tall trench]

get logs or somethin'
be a hero

[stone rune]

that's diff tho

you're able normally to quit out after a keepsake

aren't you

but after you buy at a shop you're not meant to ]

[latent moon]

i mean you can't quit after buying from a shop anyways

[tall trench]

I've had a good mindset with Hades recently so I've been enjoying the repetition of the first run attempts, were I in more of a rush to get back to normal playing I may have already quit

[stone rune]

you can during like the animation

[latent moon]

so that's prob why it crashes

because you're not supposed to

[stone rune]

which is annoying because sometimes i buy things without thinking

[latent moon]

yeah if you quit during that animation it crashes

does the same with picking up boons

[latent moon]

well maybe think more

[stone rune]

no

[latent moon]

well then suffer for your consequences

[stone rune]

i dont like thinking

consequences??????? lasting ones????????

[latent moon]

all of them

[stone rune]

im never gonna heal....

[latent moon]

oh bruh i started a fresh file and i forgot the mod sorta works with it

the 4th boon from athena is holy shield tho lmfao

yo common doom from ares

[tall trench]

There's a version of the modpack made specifically for fresh files, but yeah if you use the standard one her first boon has at least the last offer randomized

fresh file for me so far has been almost always common cores

I think once I got a rare curse of agony

[snow skiff]

divine flourish is hardcoded to not show up

[tall trench]

If you use the speedrunner mod pack not made for first file clears it can show up

[latent moon]

kinda based

[tall trench]

Otherwise yeah it'll always be the same 3 boons

[snow skiff]

reset for ares midboss 🔥

[tall trench]

I'd still rather get common agony earlier in a normal room but maybe I'm underestimating the diff in pommed common vs pommed rare

Getting ME as long as you stay alive and aren't actively sabotaging yourself seems pretty consistent but I think the biggest thing if you just want to get first clear is to maximize your chances of getting the duo

[latent moon]

i did to meg lmao very cool

[tall trench]

I've gotten better at it from doing repeats of this, but meg before curse of agony is the worst as it can just take so long

I'm just not used to having to be that careful on Meg, I realized I was taking lots of hits by just overcommitting when she was about to charge

It helps to get to fight her for a change without her sisters all buzzing around doing their pokemon moves

[high island]

I'd play first run more if single-dash base sword wasn't so awfully dull to play.

[tall trench]

I feel that... I enjoy variety too, I've been playing shorter sessions on this challenge cause of that

[native blade]

Hell Mode fresh file was fun.

But it got painful when I actually had to progress and I just wanted to skip all the boring stuff lol.

[tall trench]

Sounds like, either somewhat worse (which is pretty bad), or terribly worse. I'm not sure how big of a diff that accountability pact makes

yeah, I've been making sure to slow down get hyped with friends over the dialogue as we memorize it lol

its slower for sure but it has kept it fun otherwise I'd just quit

[void oasis]

ladies and gents. i present my finest loss https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1720761183

if you cant watch it all try to watch at least elysium onwards

[tall trench]

okay ngl since I'm playing too I skipped to the end for the fineness of the loss lol, was gonna ask if you had a highlight to recommend

okay okay I got it up from Ely onwards but if anything happens to my current run its because you distracted me

[void oasis]

that the just the whole run... i cant think of anything to highlight in the run in particular

[tall trench]

lol your swearing just cuts through out of nowhere

[void oasis]

stress

:p

[tall trench]

no its funny at least from where I clicked

I thought it was micless then all the sudden bam

[spare talon]

Good grief Hades' spear throw does damage

[tall trench]

i've been on fresh file for a couple of days now and when I see you roll 3 purple boons it already feels like magic

[tall trench]

I mean it certainly does that yes, I've found only a finite number of other outcomes to contacting its hurtbox

[lone sable]

It certainly does do damage. And a lot of it

[void oasis]

https://youtu.be/24V7RStTPxc?t=11

[lone sable]

(One time it hit me for 100 dmg)

[spare talon]

Lmao I just started a new run and immediately Hades tells me to be wary of Gigaros. Thanks for the hint dad!

[stone rune]

uh

just reset my dd......

not my sd................

why did it save my pact but not my mirror

[tall trench]

Probably because the save point is the bedroom exit into courtyard

[native blade]

You’re so pumped, it’s kinda sad knowing how this ends.

[stone rune]

it saves whenever you go between

[tall trench]

Yeah, exit was a poor choice of word

[stone rune]

and this run was going so well too

[native blade]

Love this song.

[tall trench]

I've gotten really good runs that turned into meh when I realized I had forgotten to switch talents/keepsakes at some point (or, more often, forgot that I had given up or something and that the change wasn't saved)

[void oasis]

im not. it was pretty inevitable.. but im so happy i got that prophecy

[native blade]

Nice. 👌🏾

[stone rune]

usually i do this with keepsakes but realise in the first room when ive gotten dzeus on hestia

[tall trench]

Oh I forgot about the ending I'm nearly there
I was starting to believe lol

[native blade]

It’s nice to see some guan yu love tbh, I’m never more focused than on a Guan Yu run and I love it.

[void oasis]

if i had gotten patty then i was gonna go all the way but no matter what this wasnt an L its a Dub to me

my reaction to the bag lmao

[tall trench]

sack get hype omg yeah I just tabbed back to say that

[native blade]

That’s the mindset to have.

[void oasis]

😄

[brisk trail]

queen's back and that is a rather nice dress she wears! wish i had a dress like that!

[void oasis]

[latent moon]

make it lmao

[tall trench]

when you haven't had fated persuasion in so long that the "back/close" button on the wells start to look maybe you have a reroll

[stone rune]

no patty

im scaaared

[spare talon]

It took me four tries but I finally cleared EM4

[native blade]

That’s… not a lot of tries. Good job man.

[spare talon]

The first three were me messing with Merciful End on Achilles (I hadn't cleared 10 heat with it yet) but those were dead ends. Finally got the clear doing Sea Storm on Eris

[native blade]

Nice

[spare talon]

But just barely! 23 health with no extra DD's

[native blade]

The clutch.

[spare talon]

Now to speak with Father since he wants to have a word with me

[lone sable]

bruh i killed theseus while he was still doing the phase-changing attack

[modest hazel]

I killed theseus on my last revive

😂

[brisk trail]

so i've been thinking about something. the hidden aspects. particularly aspect of lucifer. and i have to wonder, why lucifer? the other hidden aspects all seem to reference warriors who have wielded similar weapons (aside from beowulf. only connection to shields would be the name of another character.) so i have to wonder, what is lucifer's connection to guns? i know the explosive orbs are like tiny suns and a laser is simply amplified light, and that would be the only connection i could think of. laser guns. but the weapon is modeled after christian angels, and even references satan's fall from heaven after defying his god as christians have interpreted that portion of the bible as a description of satan. and that is where things trail off on connections to guns for me. so i ask, why lucifer?

[dusk cloak]

i'm missing the last enemy for Wanton Ransacking, can somebody help?

[prisma wind]

You'd have to tell us what you already have

[dusk cloak]

i'm missing the very last one on the list

[prisma wind]

It's one of the Styx minibosses, so you'll just have to roll the dice in Styx until you get it

[dusk cloak]

and how can I be certain that it'll appear?

[prisma wind]

There's no guarantee and no way to force it, just take the Elite tunnels in Styx until you get it

[dusk cloak]

ok thx

this for u

[prisma wind]

[cyan jolt]

Finally got Demeter's legendary again

Why do I always get legendaries when I'm not hunting for them

(I also got Chaos' legendary)

My run is so scuffed rn

I was just trying to go for a crit run with Apsect of Hades

[high island]

You shoot hellfire.

The answer is simply rule of cool, pretty sure.

[chrome heath]

finally heart over than

it's been WEEKS

i for real thought it was gone forever

[brisk trail]

rule of cool makes sense, but i like this answer better. 😈

also, honest question. is god mode "cheating"?

because that's what it feels like. i'm using it, but i feel like i'm cheating. the game was too hard for me.

[high island]

Who are you cheating?

If you submit it to the speedrun or high leaderboard knowing that it's not legal on those leaderboards, then it's cheating.

If you're just playing, why would using an option the game offers you be cheating?

[lone sable]

God mode is just for people whod ont care about the gameplay and are just interested in the story

that too

[brisk trail]

lol.

but the cheating thing. i'm not facing the game in the way it was meant to be played. i'm not facing the full challenge.

i have a friend who's also playing it. and i just passed their story progress. they play without god mode, and refuse to use it. they don't think i'm cheating either, and i'm not sure i buy it. i wouldn't say anyone else is cheating. but i do about myself.

[chrome heath]

it's there for you to use if you want

the intended challenge is the one you set for yourself

32 Heat certainly wasnt the intended challenge, or there'd be a steam achievement lol, but here we are

the only one cheating here is your inner voice saying you cheat

slap it

[raw herald]

Godmode was put in the game by the devs, by definition it is one of the ways the game was meant to be played

[brisk trail]

you're absolutely right.

[tired karma]

It's like playing a game on very easy mode
Personally I wouldn't do it because one of the greatest feelings you can get from Hades is when you finally beat something you struggled with
And with god mode you will feel like you took the easy way out and not experience that enjoyment

[brisk trail]

that's fair.

but i mean... i play isaac too, so... i get plenty of struggles elsewhere. 🤣

[lone sable]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/813786763859591218/1068902607852150985/image.png

no regrets

[molten copper]

people use controller for its auto aim?

[lone sable]

i dont like the aim assist and i dont know if auto aim would be much better

[brisk trail]

i use auto aim. that's not why i use a controller, i just prefer it. but i do use auto aim, yes. it sometimes flubs up a bit on me, but generally it's been more helpful than harmful for me.

[mint coral]

Auto aim is pretry good for most things

Achilles spear is like the most annoying tho

You either snap to the enemy or you aim 90° degrees away from anything

[rustic vale]

No I just use it because thats what I learned to play on

[cyan jolt]

What does it mean when I get the victory text "Middle-management Cutter"?

Nvm found it

[noble canyon]

it's the funniest boss fight

[cyan jolt]

Oh nice finally completed the "divine pairings" quest

[lone sable]

esp in tartarus

[cyan jolt]

I always get 2 shotted

[cyan jolt]

I hate it when your build only gets together in styx

[molten remnant]

What is the best shield aspect ?

[cyan jolt]

All of them are good

They use Beowulf for speedrunning tho

[molten remnant]

Okay thx and the best power ?

i like poseidon

[cyan jolt]

All gods are good

except Demeter

[molten remnant]

lmao okay

thx

[mint coral]

Beo tbh, and for for absolute extreme heat, zeus

But at the same time is shield so all of them are great lol

[cyan jolt]

If you're a new player you should probably go to #h1-for-new-players

Unless you don't care about spoilers

[cyan jolt]

Shield, bow and rail all have good aspects

[rustic vale]

Lies

[mint abyss]

Chaos commented on my shield but I still haven't unlocked the last shield, what's up with that?

[mint coral]

You need 2 convos

First about the shield and now you can get the phrase

[mint abyss]

Do I need to have the shield equipped this time as well?

[mint coral]

Nah

[white path]

What happens if you use the rail's aspect of stand in blast for damage boost and get the daedalus upgrade that makes the blast damage you?
(Sorry I don't remember the names lol)
Something special? Or is it just a terrible combo?

[native blade]

Eris

Ohhh

[mint coral]

you can iframe the explosion with a dash

[native blade]

You mean Hazard Bomb hammer

[mint coral]

but is quite annoying cuz cant dash strike during that, if you mess it up the little stun can maybe screw you over

is still fun tho

[mint coral]

(but if you get delta strike you can dash strike while iframing the explosion cuz it keeps your iframes)

[white path]

ok so it's not terrible, but it's still bad

[dull niche]

yeah it’s still pretty bad unfortunately

[rustic vale]

Nothing special, not a terrible combo

but hazard bomb makes the bomb take forever to drop so it’s kind of annoying when you want your global damage uptime on eris

And locks out the other good rail special hammers

[high island]

@sour fog the game starts to have hiccups when doors open when you have a large number of runs; and since I felt like doing some RTA runs where those hiccups always cost time, I downloaded an edited save file from speedrun.com that has everything unlocked but has a clean run history.

[rustic falcon]

how big of a run do you need to have for the game to start having hiccups, close to 900?

[high island]

Something like that probably.

[sour fog]

oooooooooh

okay, thanks

[wild dagger]

mannnnnnnnn

i have to chose between ares , dyonisus and chaos

:(((((

[rustic vale]

Chaos

[native blade]

Always Chaos.

[rustic vale]

Unless you really really really want to guarantee either in your pool

[lone sable]

I would go ares if i dont alr have another special bonus

[wild dagger]

i love wine dud so i chose him

[lone sable]

I do play with the bow tho

[wild dagger]

im boutta reset now

[lone sable]

Dyonisus does have some stupid boons like afterparty

[lone sable]

Why?

[wild dagger]

i made the worst mistake of me life

[native blade]

How?

[lone sable]

Elaborate

[native blade]

I’m so curious.

[rustic vale]

?

[lone sable]

I like the doom on special esp if i can get the stacking doom thing

[wild dagger]

only got hangover on hit effect

dont quite like it

[rustic vale]

What you put on special is uber aspect specific lol

[lone sable]

Not worth a restart

[lone sable]

Fair

[lone sable]

If you reatart the second you see a bad boon you arent gonna get anywhere

[rustic vale]

and also… the only weapon that manages doom special well is zeus shield tbh

[lone sable]

Im using chiron bow

[wild dagger]

not really doing that

[rustic vale]

Doom is 📉📉📉 on chiron special

[lone sable]

Its always good to just go with a run at least for practice

[lone sable]

With stacking doom it goes hard

[rustic vale]

Eh

[wild dagger]

not always at least but since i only went trough one room it doesnt matter that much

[lone sable]

Managed to get over 900 doom dmg reliably one run but that was a fairly extreme case

[rustic vale]

That doesn’t fix the baseline issue I see with doom as a special for chiron

[wild dagger]

also when i give up it's almost the same run for some reason

[rustic vale]

It’s more of a speed thing where other specials would just kill regular enemies faster/ get consistent boss dps

[lone sable]

First room is the same

Because giving up just resets your save file to before the run

[wild dagger]

cool

[lone sable]

Im still low heat (i dont have the timer thing on)

[rustic vale]

Giving up puts you back to before you entered the run, so you go back in with the same seed

[dire tendon]

hey is there an updated speedrun guide for summon positioning? i keep messing up in the witches room

[rustic vale]

Even without the timer, other things will just kill sooner and still do great boss dps

[wild dagger]

now i gotta choose between wine boio or the chalenge room with a poom in it

[lone sable]

Main issue for me is the bosses (specifically em hades)

So i just choose stuff that would help me there

[wild dagger]

i have 3 emergency measures

[lone sable]

Depends on your current boons

[lone sable]

The 4th one makes hades do a funny

[wild dagger]

only got the blue special on artemis

[wild dagger]

honestly can't wait

[silver mica]

EM5 Charon when

[rustic vale]

Why do you have EM hades and not timer lol

[wild dagger]

most annoying heat thingy is the blue shield

[lone sable]

Might as well learn his patterns before i start going for high heat

[silver mica]

I think that just depends on the weapon you're using tbh

[wild dagger]

the rest are manageable but that one is way too annoying

[lone sable]

+em is fun

[wild dagger]

more fun

[silver mica]

I find it alright when I'm using gun or fists but can barely do it with bow

[wild dagger]

so what should i chose

[rustic vale]

Em4 isn’t something you really run for the lower end of high heat anyways thoufg

Like my 40 heat pacts don’t use it and I’m pretty sure most other’s 40 heat pacts don’t?

Really just higher then that

[lone sable]

Forgot

[wild dagger]

lmao

[lone sable]

I just like a good challange that doesnt involve speedrunning

[wild dagger]

gonna take dyonisus

[wild dagger]

same

[rustic vale]

If anything things that you should be learning are forced overtime 2 since it’s something you can adjust to

And td as well

[lone sable]

Iirc my pb is 25 min

[rustic vale]

I wouldn’t call having a time lower then 20 minutes speedrunning

[tired karma]

max the entire heat and see how long you can survive just for fun

[rustic vale]

That’s one of the monthly challenges

[wild dagger]

died on 4th room

[high island]

Why are people here questioning others' pact choices all the time?

[lone sable]

Also if em4 isnt enough i plan to turn on forced overtime soon

[rustic vale]

…I don’t have a good reason

[high island]

Exactly.

[rustic vale]

💪

[lone sable]

Btw any tips on phase 3 hades?

[wild dagger]

hit him harder

[rustic vale]

I do want to help people have an easier time with the game but I also don’t think I go about it in a good way

[lone sable]

Often times i find myself like i have to dodge a lot with no window of dealing damage

[high island]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/126vagPhjSWQMR1x8O9tJT3neweSTdUUfw2pNVjqX7lU/edit#

[lone sable]

Thanks

[lone sable]

I mean i just have em4 on for fun

Cause normal hades became repetitive and simple

[wild dagger]

btw

[rustic vale]

So anyways I think something I was gonna go back to at some point is

Non-ME doom can lose a good portion of it’s Hades damage whenever he disappears

[wild dagger]

do crits multiply or add up ? cause i got artemis special which gives a chance of crit but also a 3 % from pressure points also an artemis boon

[rustic vale]

The damage multiplies, the crit chance adds

[high island]

It's good to want to help, just be careful about giving unsolicited advice.

[wild dagger]

will they do 20% x 3% or 20 +3

[wild dagger]

oh i see

[rustic vale]

[high island]

23% crit chance on your special.

[rustic vale]

I hadn’t thought about it like that

[high island]

3% crit chance on everything else.

[wild dagger]

oh i see

[wild dagger]

i played ror2 thought it would work like that one too

[native blade]

Wait…

[rustic vale]

Oh I wasn’t talking about crits

[wild dagger]

but now that i think about it i think crit was adding up there too and only damage was multypluinh

[native blade]

There’s a chance for 100% crit?

[wild dagger]

imagine

[rustic vale]

You can hit 100% crit chance

[native blade]

I thought the +% chance was just an oversight

[wild dagger]

how

[high island]

100% crit chance is easy to get on marked enemies with Hunter's Mark.

[native blade]

True

[rustic vale]

Even without HM you can hit 100% with like
Nem + deadly strike + deadly reversal + PP + cruel thrust

Wouldn’t recommend though

[rustic vale]

One of the miniboss rooms in tart has a bunch of gaps and you start on the outside of the gaps and I was wondering how to deal with it for the legend of zelda themed monthly challenge

[high island]

Are you talking about MM Doomstone?

[rustic vale]

Yes

[high island]

Good luck!

[rustic vale]

Because I can’t dash

Guess I just pray to not hit it or have piercing wave or something by that point

[high island]

It's an extra challenge for a reason.

[rustic vale]

Fair enough

[high island]

Gotta figure out strats!

[rustic vale]

not dashing is actually

Really really hard

[native blade]

Simply become based.

[rustic vale]

Lagreus of zagreus, bragreus of the wagreus

[high island]

I thought it actually played pretty similar to A Link to the Past, so it was really intuitive for me when I playtested it lol.

Did you remap your buttons for the challenge?

[rustic vale]

oh yeah

That was part of it

Have to change my controls

[high island]

It's not required, but it's recommended for the experience.

[rustic vale]

I’m gonna hit every last challenge on that

[lone sable]

am i the only one that thinks em3 makes the game easier

like theseus becomes even more of a pushover

[rustic vale]

Do you play with forced overtime 2 and melee aspects?

Theseus was always a pushover, em3 makes asterius hellish

[lone sable]

ig yeah

i was using zag fists before and it was fine