h1-discussion

[brisk trail]

the head slam is so easy to dodge thooooooo

[slim geyser]

can you get hammers on your headbutts

[rustic vale]

Do you play em2 fo2?

[latent moon]

i'd reroll once

[brisk trail]

https://tenor.com/view/jfk-clone-high-i-like-your-funny-words-magic-man-jack-black-gif-18659433

[rustic vale]

extreme measures 2 and forced overtime 2, makes all the heads bunched up and makes them all move and attack 40% faster

[brisk trail]

dam

[slim geyser]

daedalus headbutts

[rich horizon]

my favourite is the one that increases the range

[rustic vale]

Plus also even after you dodge the slam you can’t hit them till they stop slamming

[brisk trail]

what are good arthur boons?

sorry

[rustic vale]

Aphrodite strike -> zeus aid -> a bunch of aphrodite and zeus support boons

[brisk trail]

how about mabye arthur?

[strong ridge]

ah yes the ancient aspect of smair

a truly reliable weapon

[slim geyser]

artemis attack + heart rend can also work right

[rustic vale]

More damage reduction is more damage reduction

[rustic vale]

Not well enough

For me to consider advising people

[brisk trail]

should i do my biology hwk?

[strong ridge]

i am joking about smair being the bad aspect band aid

yes

hades will be here when you get to the retirement home

hw due like tues

[rustic vale]

If your biology homework involves Hades then yes

[slim geyser]

yes do your homework

[rustic vale]

hw due at 7:49

[brisk trail]

how tf is it only choosday

[latent moon]

because yesterday was monday

[strong ridge]

was it

[latent moon]

no

[rustic vale]

Yes

[strong ridge]

i didnt know

[bronze forge]

I don’t get why the time is always 7:48

[rustic vale]

because it is

[brisk trail]

listen listen listen

who has it harder

[rustic vale]

Me

[brisk trail]

zagreus who is stuck in the underworld with no mother and constantly dying

oooooorrrrrrrrr

[strong ridge]

ok so the sundial works because the sun goes around but in the underworld that does not happen so they dont have a way to keep time since i guess daedlus doesnt make clocks

[brisk trail]

me who doesnt get paid to get out of bed in the morning

[rustic vale]

Zag only has the problem because you have a skill issue

[strong ridge]

true i forgot

[brisk trail]

no elon musk hijacked my brain its his skill issue

[rustic vale]

He has 0 control over his own situation

[rustic vale]

Just pay yourself to get out of bed in the morning

[brisk trail]

but i have no money

[rustic vale]

Pay yourself 0 dollars

[brisk trail]

because no one pays me

[latent moon]

just do your hw

[rustic vale]

Stop procrastinating

[brisk trail]

no

[rustic vale]

Also I’m being uber hypocritical rn

[brisk trail]

FFS

i dont have my old book which might have my hwk in it

[rustic vale]

Since my life has been procrastinating for the last 12 years

Lernie insurance fraud

[strong ridge]

lernie big dinner incoming

surelu

[brisk trail]

lol

[strong ridge]

do u have uc foder

[rustic vale]

Dem boon imo

Rav will, snurst, killing freeze, so many options

[strong ridge]

do u need a god

idk dem seems less risky

how many rolls left

roll that sucker

[latent moon]

you cant get parting shot on beo

flares can't backstab

[rustic vale]

Bout to prok backstab on Aspect of Heroic L50 Divine Dash

3rd option got ap1ed?

Frost flourish for the core taken I guess

Start running ap2 so you don’t have to ask

[strong ridge]

ap2 blows the most out of any heat

[rustic vale]

I think ri4 is more annoying

[latent moon]

ap2 easy if you get the boons

[strong ridge]

ri is at least mechanical ap2 is seed check\

[rustic vale]

Ap2 free if you just play routed

[strong ridge]

it was worth the chance for snurst

[rustic vale]

Y’know one day I’ll get something to hit a killing freeze to heroic

it’ll be a blessed day

[strong ridge]

purge to eury everytime

[rustic vale]

No

[strong ridge]

fair

[rustic vale]

That’s just dumb

When I can rng manipulate eury anyways

[strong ridge]

would get it done

[rustic vale]

the issue is getting purple killing freeze before eury and getting eury

[solid bane]

I just jumpscared the hell out of myself
I had The Unseen Ones loaded on Orpheus when I closed Hades last

so I boot back up and it IMMEDIATELY kicked on full blast

[strong ridge]

yarn gamen

but it is pain regardless

[rustic vale]

There isn’t any point to purge boons for eury guarantee when I can eury guarantee regardless

[strong ridge]

ok

[solid bane]

Actual question if anyone knows:

What's the design logic behind locking Erebus Gates behind higher levels of Pact?

[rustic vale]

Yeah
Because if you take elysium erebus gates while still new to the game then you’re dead

[strong ridge]

well i mean idk it is kind of odd

go on

[rustic vale]

I bet there is someone out there that doesn’t even know erebus gates have a heat requirement because they’ve never run into one with heat lower then 15

[solid bane]

never

Rush Delivery+Hypersprint my beloved

[latent moon]

ap moment

what are the other options

and what else can be foddered

[strong ridge]

by by artic

[solid bane]

I assume if you have the option to avoid a God who's boons are terrible for your current weapon type early in the run, it's best to just avoid them?

[rustic vale]

They already have 2nd hermes and they have ap1 even if the 50:50 for hermes in styx works out

[manic kraken]

ig so they don’t overload people who just beat hades for the first time, they alr have the pact

[rustic vale]

I mean not many gods are terrible for a given weapon

[solid bane]

It was Ares on Rama lol

[strong ridge]

i dont really think so since the requirement stays regardless of how many times you clear

[rustic vale]

Ares isn’t bad for rama special tbf

[manic kraken]

I mean ig

[solid bane]

yeah, I already had Zeus Special which is why I skipped lol

[rustic vale]

Oh fair

[strong ridge]

my guess is they wanted to depower speedrunning but that doesnt feel like it either

[rustic vale]

It isn’t a depower for speedrunning though

[solid bane]

In cases like that, I'm assuming it's better to avoid them so they don't pollute your pool later?

[rustic vale]

Speedruns don’t take erebus because it’s time loss

[rustic vale]

Yes

[strong ridge]

its just weird why it is heat gated

[rustic vale]

I think it’s newbie protection

And something to look forward to as you increase in heat

[rustic vale]

Someone who hasn’t played on higher then 15 heat won’t fair well in an elysium erebus gate is my thoughts

[latent moon]

how many other useful boons do you have

[strong ridge]

if that was the case they could just all be available after you clear 16 heat or whatever but instead it is dependent on heat taken

[latent moon]

yeah sell hyper sprint at that point

kinda sucks but too much risk

[strong ridge]

i am saving this one for the q&a

[latent moon]

also you have epic dashes

you're chilling

hyper sprint is nice but epic dashes is better

and selling your dash, flare, or attack would suck

[brisk trail]

charons battle theme is both the funniest thing and the biggest banger ive ever heard

[solid bane]

yikes lmao

Unseen Ones goes unreasonably hard

[brisk trail]

unseen ones?

[toxic trellis]

Well, nothing beast Unseen Ones

That’s just…

My goodness

[solid bane]

The phrase you were looking for was "Holy Styx"

[toxic trellis]

Yeah, that

[solid bane]

I had set on my Orpheus after doing my first EM4

[latent moon]

how many times has hammer been offered

[solid bane]

loaded it back up tonight and my god damn fight or flight instinct triggered

[latent moon]

is this first chamber of ely

heart

[solid bane]

What weapon are you using as well

[latent moon]

hammer will show up for the next like 2 doors or something

[latent moon]

beo

45 heat

[solid bane]

hell yeah

[latent moon]

you also dont need the 2nd hammer

[solid bane]

I feel like for some weapons and aspects the hammer pool is just not great

Oh, that's smart as well

[rustic vale]

Sword is the worst offender

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1026590427916275783/1059295975472103465/Sword_Hammer_Tierlist.png

[latent moon]

You also just need more hp

And you can guarantee it here

[rustic vale]

*shadow slash should be in it’s own “arthur specific” category above the “neutral” category but whatever

[solid bane]

That's exactly what I was thinking of lol, so many sword hammers I just would rather have +25 HP over

[latent moon]

If the next door isn't an important resource you take hammer

[rustic vale]

I haven’t fixed it yet

[high island]

Other things being equal, I'd grab Centaur Heart over 2nd hammer on high heat Beowulf if I already have Charged Shot.

[solid bane]

Charged Shot my beloved

[high island]

Well, Beowulf has some decent hammers, though.

[solid bane]

It let me clear things I had no business clearing at that skill level lmao

[high island]

With Passion Flare start, Centaur Hearts have great value though.

Hammer lol.

[solid bane]

Actually, good time to ask this: What's the general math on Eury? I assume Ambroisa if you have only a few boons, Pom if you already are kitted, and Nectar if you have stone nothing?

[high island]

Refreshing Nectar 19/20 times, pretty much.

Guard.

Minotaur Rush kinda sucks lol.

[solid bane]

Really? Huh. I was figuring that by the time you hit Eurydice you have the "core" of your kit down and it's better to improve that.

[high island]

Especially with Charged Shot.

[solid bane]

I've uh.
Never taken the Nectar before.

In that case, why go for Nectar over Pom?

Ahhhhhhhh. That I didn't know.

[high island]

You'll either see first or second Lord Hermes boon soon after Eurydice. Or both even.

[solid bane]

That makes more sense.

What Dio boon would you be looking for?

[high island]

And it's also around the same time you have the requirements for Duo Boons you want.

[solid bane]

Then yeah I'd go for it.

[high island]

Don't buy it lol.

[solid bane]

Premium Vintage best Dio boon.

[high island]

If you have Call open, you can consider it if you're not short on cash or if DPS is low/time is tight.

[solid bane]

So, time to ask another question to see if I've been noob trapped or not:

Is Side Hustle just. Really good, or am I misvaluing it.

[high island]

Side Hustle is just okay.

It actually hurts his boon pool tbh that they gave him that.

[rustic vale]

Not if you still have 2nd hermes to get

[solid bane]

I feel like it let's you buy out almost all of Styx shop with a 2 room run

and yeah that's exactly what happened LOL

I really like Side Hustle, but Rare Hyper Sprint

[rustic vale]

Poms have diminishing returns on more boons then not

[high island]

By the way.

[rustic vale]

Agreed

[rustic vale]

Uber misvaluing

[high island]

Why do you always ask for high heat run help outside of the high heat channel?

[rustic vale]

Dio call gaming

Now force in zeus for smair

[vital spade]

[solid bane]

That's about what I expected. I guess I end up overvaluing it for being able to clear out Styx on runs where I've got time to buy out the Titan Blood or Diamond.

[rustic vale]

Kinda based on SD gaming though

[rustic vale]

If time isn’t an issue and you want to grind metaresources then it’s good for that

Pom for dio aid

[solid bane]

Also, thank you for the Nectar call:

Smoldering Air with Artemis call let's go

Now to pom the hell out of that

ah, I see I'm being cringe again

Artemis is one of my fav calls at the moment LOL

[rustic vale]

enter ares call

[solid bane]

Zeus is probably the one at the top of my list for consistent usage

[rustic vale]

Dio aid is https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1034995274776588378/IMG_2424.jpg?width=1239&height=701

[rustic vale]

Artemis call is kind of ew

It’s ew even without smair

When are you hitting full call in a regular room

also in the time you charged arte to max, zeus and dio already out damaged it

[solid bane]

ah wow I am just being cringe then

I like call for being able to finish off something as I'm moving on, or to snipe something from across the room I don't want to lose HP to

[latent moon]

Js3 cp2

[rustic vale]

Fair

[solid bane]

Aphro is probably my favorite all around call

Though the rare times I've gotten to play with Demeters have been

[rustic vale]

+damage now better then damage later and you won’t be lossing as much if you surpass a break point with zeus or dio compared to arte

[high island]

The problem with Side Hustle is if you consider the Lord Hermes boon you essentially give up to get Side Hustle and that the one in Styx shop will cost 500 Obols... you're not getting your money back.

[rustic vale]

Demeter call good if you get killing freeze and/or arctic burst

[solid bane]

Well, if you rolled into a Rare or an Epic you get something out of it, LOL. But yeah, general use it's probably not the best the more I think over it.

[high island]

Artemis' Aid gud.

[latent moon]

Dem call good to strip dc

[high island]

Excellent pom scaling.

[high island]

No.

[rustic vale]

Fair enough

[high island]

It's a cope pick even at high rarity honestly.

[rustic vale]

Side hustle is a cope pick even if it was heroic

[latent moon]

what lvl is your passion flare

and what other pommables do you have

[high island]

Check your boon pool for how likely you're gonna pom anything relevant.

[latent moon]

that's probably fine right nyaanyaa

[rustic vale]

Second wind and/or haste and/or dodge %

[latent moon]

so 50/50 shot

[solid bane]

I more meant literally mathematically then "it's good bro I swear". With- wait, no, I'm just bad at math. Please ignore my stupidity.

[latent moon]

how much hp do you have

prob heart

yeah

c34 pat kinda sad but that's the best you can hope for

yes

if you dont think your dps is enough, your only way out of this is pat tbh

just so you can be more aggressive in heroes

i'd take heart over pom here probably

[high island]

I'd still take pom over HP on Beowulf if I am likely to actually hit Passion Flare or Dionysus' Aid or maybe Snow Burst or anything else that's good.

[latent moon]

lmao

patty moment

[high island]

Except maybe if I have Life Affirmation.

[latent moon]

i would too tbh but tree is like barely hanging on by the looks of it lmao

take it now if you aren't a coward

lmao

well

could take fodder boon

no

[rustic vale]

Dio aid scales like nothing

[latent moon]

also what rarity is the rare crop anyways

yeah take fodder

[high island]

What else is she offering?

And?

[rustic vale]

Perfect fodder

[high island]

Smh.

[rustic vale]

Take the 3rd option anyways

[high island]

I'd take Rare Crop lol.

[rustic vale]

should’ve taken the ap1ed heroic rav will

[high island]

Taking AP at 45 smh.

[latent moon]

you should've taken ri1

[rustic vale]

Taking ap at anything less then 60+ smh

[high island]

Finish your 40 Heat challenge.

[latent moon]

lmfao

chilling

just instaphase dad

[rustic vale]

Too busy with school and work and monster hunter stories 2

[latent moon]

assuming you dont screw up miniboss yeah

everythin

go boonless

[high island]

5 minutes is plenty if you're not doing EM4.

[latent moon]

how many other boons do you have

[high island]

Reroll.

[latent moon]

yeah

what are the chances it'll offer atk, flare, and dash

right

right

idk

special and frozen touch afaik

oh

yeah you could get rid of that

big stonks

[high island]

Attack Flare Call Snow Burst. Anything else can go.

[latent moon]

selling epic dashes would suck on the other hand

depends what they are

[high island]

No.

If you see Cast items, grab Hourglass.

[latent moon]

i would buy braid to make miniboss easier but really optional tbh

or yeah take hourglass

be a chad

just dont get shafted by dad

[high island]

Sure.

Sure.

[latent moon]

are you actually taking hourglass

[high island]

It's always nice.

[latent moon]

welp

would be funny if you died to dad i suppose

[high island]

Lady Aphrodite, obviously.

[latent moon]

what else from aphrodite would you even want

sweet surrender?

[high island]

Broken Resolve great, too.

Low Tolerance.

[latent moon]

dio call doesn't stack enough time for LT

is pom miniboss?

idk

take pom first

[rustic vale]

6

[latent moon]

because if you get a pommable from aphro you dont clog pom pool

unless there's another door that you'd rather take

idk what the other doors are

since you have guaranteed 2 sack

[high island]

If you die to dad with Braid and Jerky on Beowulf, Acorn wouldn't have saved you.

[rustic vale]

Also your dio call is charging itself the full uptime of the hangover so you get it back sooner if you have smair so you can have full uptime of 8 stacks

[latent moon]

i mean a bad combo from boiling blood and/or pots would just end the run

[rustic vale]

Dem for kf

[latent moon]

i would probably do pom into dem, but aphro into dem is also good

[high island]

Literally has a shield that makes the casts disappear when they hit it.

[latent moon]

wont mean tree would use it

also pots still exist

gamer

[high island]

It's not EM4, is it.

[latent moon]

pots aren't em4 exclusive

what's the point of dio here

premium vintage?

[high island]

No but non-EM4 urns are free anyway.

I have faith in @brisk trail.

[latent moon]

could still get hit by a pot

just because they're "free" doesn't mean you can't get hit by it

my point still stands regardless of how easy they are to avoid

[high island]

I don't think it stands tbh.

[latent moon]

well whatever

gamer

[solid bane]

me, wondering why I haven't been able to get my last two bow hammers to show up for multiple runs

both of them don't show up on Aspect of Rama

[fervent jewel]

man i swear i can't play through with the shield

aspect of chiron is so cool though i might use the bow to reach higher and higher heat

[raw herald]

Sub6able

If ur going for sub 9 you should not be resetting 2:3xs

[royal crystal]

3 wins still no zeus hidden dialogue

[high island]

Chiron is fun.

[royal crystal]

crit chiron or poison chiron?

[raw herald]

Gg

Dad call

Maybe hourglass if you see an ichor in the well and have rd

Prob just dad call then

[high island]

Acorn is an option if you Zeus' Aid and Smair.

Sigil is great on Eris.

Lots of flat damage, builds god gauge fast.

[raw herald]

Draws enemies to you in ely

Get hypersprint in styx ez

[rustic vale]

Are you using DD for 45 heat?

[slim geyser]

oh my first escape was 60

[fervent jewel]

i had a good run with chiron zeus

big aoe time

yeah i even did two runs with it oh you

well i guess they disapproved of the build

[slim geyser]

niceee

[raw herald]

Yes

On eris?

Nah keep it

Are you spawn manipping

Have you looked at the bigp guide

Eris aspho can suck if you dont have the boons

Look at that

Room

Oh

Vod review

How long igt does a “good” aspho room take for you

(Small chamber size, 2 wave, unarmored purple/green bombers or armoured blue swingy dudes)

Also how long is your avg lernie

30s flat is fine on eris

Show your boon screen

Arty def

Good build so far

What % is that epic flourish from chaos

[rustic vale]

For mirage shot

[raw herald]

Beo brain

[rustic vale]

Eris is a castpect

[raw herald]

I took arty into elysium in my eris pb and completely forgot to take special

[latent moon]

Based

[raw herald]

Sheeesh

Get it in styx

Probably

Depends on the build tho

Yeah

If you got RD and splitting in styx that would be like the perfect build

Build is still gonna chunk

Take special speed if its there

Solid dad nice

[icy knoll]

charon is the only boss that fights you one-on-one

all the other bosses summon enemies, and theseus obviously does not

and if you turn on middle management, charon is the only one-on-one encounter in the game i think

well i guess you can encounter one enemy on chamber 1

oh yeah asterius miniboss too

[latent moon]

bruh i got splitting bolt off of thunder dash lmao

thanks game

no clue

but i do have both

i legit just wanted lightning rod

i just want to turtle with shield and abuse rod on em4 pls game

[round canopy]

Guys I’m trying to complete the night and darkness quest and I’m wondering if I can just kill myself over and over again until nyx gives me the dialogue I want

I don’t need darkness

I’m talking about the quest to reunite nyx and chaos

I already have darkness

Like 6k

I’m just trying to unlock the achievement

[latent moon]

purple dashes or roll of rd

[rustic vale]

Roll for side hustle

[latent moon]

nah i just took the dashes

this is now unironically a dash only run

[rustic vale]

Which aspect

[latent moon]

chaos

this is the crap pact you made me do

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/839538570738139146/1062575560271872062/image.png?width=1191&height=670

this is what i had entering ely

i got +3 dashes and hyper sprint

i would've rolled for rd but didn't want to risk it

[rustic vale]

Oh finally

[latent moon]

this was unironically easier than my beo run

the heroes fight i mean

god i guess i'm gonna dash only em4

bruh the knockback from the lasers made the lasers hit me

very cool game

dead run

[brisk trail]

yall i need your help

start listing words that rhyme with hades

[swift inlet]

ladies

[solar vault]

crazy

[brisk trail]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/764541705403760700/1062584996847681587/image.png

[idle gate]

Confucius say, smart man is like shat pants, often found in the filthiest of places

[bronze forge]

triple shot or flurry shot for zagreus aspect

[rustic vale]

Triple

[bronze forge]

if you get close enough, can all three projectiles land on one target?

[rustic vale]

Yeah

[bronze forge]

thats really powerful

also, z is my favorite bow aspect

idk

the other ones are too slow

[rustic vale]

not hera being the current fastest aspect in the game

outside of routed*

Hera and Zag bow are equally fast mechanically though

and chiron is too if you just play it like it was intended, as bad zag bow

[bronze forge]

but hera you need casts

youre not consistetly outputting the same dmg

wait

chiron is a bad version of zagreus?

i thought chiron was the best

[regal inlet]

Just got the first step of Hypnos locked heart done

I almost got the goofy guy badge

Lil man

[rustic vale]

Where’d you get that from?

[rustic vale]

Wdym

Zag bow is more inconsistent with damage then hera

[regal inlet]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/834915827996295178/1062600069351735376/IMG_4083.jpg this is the first step for it, right?

[rustic vale]

I think so

[regal inlet]

Pog

[bronze forge]

idk i thought someone said that

[rustic vale]

Hera is more consistent and more consistent at dealing higher dps

[bronze forge]

ill try hera again

[rustic vale]

Chiron is fine for casual play but it falls off

[rustic vale]

Start aphrodite cast -> snow burst from demeter
Also remap your cast button

Your cast button should be a button you’re comfortable using when you’re using beowulf and hera

Since you kinda end up mashing it

Or at least hitting it often enough that it feels significantly better for it to be a more comfortable button

I’m not really a hera player though so I don’t have the ins and outs of it’s play down

[stone rune]

why is eris so ugly

[rustic vale]

That’s the downside of being so good
Beowulf suffers from it as well

I think Hera escapes it though

[latent moon]

you are if you always one shot everything

[swift inlet]

I don't like beo or hera design much

Hestia is good and looks dope asf

[steel ember]

The one game where I have 800 dmg bow crits every other attack, three death defieds & the legendary Athena boon just has to be the run where ||Hades lets you past. Didn’t even get to fight him||

My disappointment is immeasurable

[halcyon girder]

It would funny that Theseus calling the gods just don't work like a small chance he gets confused on why the gods have forsaken him

[rustic vale]

Everyone seems to have really good rng on their 10th escape only to cry about being unable to fight Hades

[halcyon girder]

Huh I gotta check on my tenth run on what I got

[rustic vale]

It’s not guaranteed

It’s probably just a bias of seeing people complain about it because they had a relatively well performing build

[halcyon girder]

I did had a good rng and beat my timer record but then again I used god mode on that

[steel ember]

Huh, interesting

There’s something to be said for confirmation bias. You don’t really hear about the mediocre runs on the 10th escape

Maybe some really bad ones, but I’d imagine it’d mostly be about the lucky runs

[latent moon]

my 10th clear was pretty bad lmao

[halcyon girder]

My 10th clear was decent just had boons of Dionysus,ares and poseidon

And my fastest run of 14 mins using the blade of Arthur

[latent moon]

would be funny if the 10th clear was legal for speedrunning leaderboard

[round canopy]

Why those it take so long to complete night and darkness achievement

Nyx never has anything important to say

[rustic vale]

Rng dialogue moment

[vital spade]

[royal crystal]

been grinding for the zeus railgun dialogue for 5 wins

I guess I'm probihited from using the funny laser gun

[rustic vale]

Have you made sure to get the initial phrase from him while using the rail first?

[royal crystal]

I didn't get anything related to the rail

[rustic vale]

While using the rail if you talk to him, he will eventually comment on your use of it
You need that prior to trying to get the awakening phrase iirc

[royal crystal]

all I got is persephone related (ig cuz i just finished getting her back to the underworld)

[latent moon]

this is assuming you meet the prereqs

[royal crystal]

my railgun are lvl 2 lvl 3 (other than zag)

[latent moon]

welp

get rng dialogued

[royal crystal]

I revealed AND unlocked Guan Yu too

[royal crystal]

I want to try the funny laser gun build

with poseidon

[latent moon]

you'll get it eventually

[royal crystal]

yeah...

so uh any good hidden aspects?

[latent moon]

shield, bow

rail is good but a bit funky to use i think

a lot of people like sword, some dont

fists is contender for worst aspect in the game

[royal crystal]

beowulf?

[latent moon]

spear is a lowkey a top aspect but the hp reduction sucks a lot

[latent moon]

contender for best aspect in the game

[royal crystal]

what does the hidden aspect of shield do

[latent moon]

have you used hera

[halcyon girder]

So I'm doing 32 pact

[royal crystal]

the dislodged thing?

[latent moon]

no

well

kinda?

bow aspect

3rd bow aspect, you load a cast and fire it in your next shot

[royal crystal]

oh yea that one

[latent moon]

beowulf is basically that except instead of the cast shooting out of the arrow at the end, the cast explodes around you at the end of the dragon rush

or around the end of the shot if you have the charged shot hammer

also known as bugwulf because of various bugs it has

[royal crystal]

the req is easy right?

[latent moon]

the person to talk to?

[royal crystal]

yeah

[latent moon]

you have to talk to chaos, which is a bit more rng dependent since you can't force it

unless you use an ixion

[royal crystal]

does it have rng too? cuz I got it first try with spear and bow

[latent moon]

you said you finished the storyline with nyx right?

or was that someone else

or did i misremember

idk

[royal crystal]

persephone

[latent moon]

oh lmao

[royal crystal]

i brought her back

yea

[latent moon]

there might be rng dialogue in that

if you haven't started the chaos story line, you might get it immediately

might be worth getting it asap before you start the storyline

[royal crystal]

wait how many storyline are there

like after you brought back persephone

is kronos gonna show up?

[latent moon]

well every character has a bond right

you have to do various things and whatnot to max those out

so i guess every character has a story line?

[royal crystal]

ah ic

[latent moon]

at this point you should've met every character in the game

[royal crystal]

yeah

and somehow I still can't gift the elysium npc

Patroceus or whatever his name is

[stone rune]

how do u know his name

[royal crystal]

oh so I spelled it right

[stone rune]

no

patroclus

[royal crystal]

patroclus

[latent moon]

either achilles tells you or it's in the codex

[stone rune]

yeah

and you have to do that

so how would u know it without being able to gift

[royal crystal]

his 60% attack really helped me so I remember his name lol

[royal crystal]

I mean he only offers the boons

like he give me this dialogue "Go away mortal.." cmiiw

or sumn like that

[rustic vale]

Every aspect in the game is a good aspect, some are just significantly more good then others

[stone rune]

mfw fists

[rustic vale]

Progress through the story

[rustic vale]

Hades is a flawless game

[stone rune]

oh really? then why cant i give sisyphus a big smooch

[royal crystal]

alr I'll keep clearing runs

[royal crystal]

[halcyon girder]

Good luck your gonna need it

[royal crystal]

I wanna do the same with meg

[royal crystal]

need what

[stone rune]

you're*

[rustic vale]

That’s an issue on your end, can’t help with that

[stone rune]

it's a game flaw

[rustic vale]

No it’s a you flaw

[halcyon girder]

Luck

[rustic vale]

If you were better you would be able to

[stone rune]

omg

i must train

[royal crystal]

oh, thanks!

I'll spam railgun til I can gift him

[halcyon girder]

How far have you gotten btw?

[royal crystal]

33 runs

not that much

[halcyon girder]

Mhm

And you always die at?

[latent moon]

they already cleared 10 runs minimum lmao

[royal crystal]

no one

still got the streak

[halcyon girder]

Ooh wow damn

[royal crystal]

the thing is, I tried guan yu and ruined my 7 streak

[latent moon]

guan yu moment

[royal crystal]

it's so hard to adapt

[latent moon]

guan yu is just special spam

and hope you find charged skewer

[halcyon girder]

Funny thing is I'm doing a guan Yu run

[latent moon]

it's got a built in explosive launcher

[stone rune]

im not trying guan yu till i lose my streak

[royal crystal]

since I prefer long-range burst like chiron or rail

[latent moon]

guan yu is used for hitless runs btw

[royal crystal]

and guan yu is something new to me

[stone rune]

is the healing from guan yu any good

[royal crystal]

yea

u only have 30 hp

[latent moon]

no lmao just dont get hit

[stone rune]

so real

[latent moon]

at max level you get 50% hp

also the spin is kinda eh and you generally only have time to do it at the beginning of a wave

unless you get quick spin

[royal crystal]

but guan yu is one of my fastest runs

it's damage output is crazy

[latent moon]

and what's the time on that

[royal crystal]

idk lemme check

I'm still omw home

[latent moon]

i mean guan yu is strong, but like the spin isn't what makes it good lmao

[latent moon]

ball park estimate maybe?

[stone rune]

its*

[halcyon girder]

I'm gonna think his fastest run is 15 or lower

[stone rune]

my fastest run is still like 15:20 lol

[royal crystal]

22 i think

[stone rune]

i wonder what my slowest death was

[latent moon]

okay yeah that's like an average run lmao

[halcyon girder]

Mhm mine is 14 with Arthur

[stone rune]

22??

[latent moon]

beo at 6:47

modded

[halcyon girder]

But then again my is a bit cheap consider I used god mode

[stone rune]

wait what??

[latent moon]

i dont remember what my unmodded time is but it's sub10 i do remember that

[stone rune]

apparently i died to bone hydra 2 TIMES???

what was i DOING

[halcyon girder]

Was it an old run or?

[stone rune]

yeah im looking at old ones

[halcyon girder]

Pact?

[stone rune]

no this was before i had beaten

holy wow

[royal crystal]

My slowest run is 44 minutes :'

[stone rune]

i had a 43 minute death

lol

3 here around 30 minutes

[latent moon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/979629860634910751/unknown.png?width=1191&height=670

[royal crystal]

it's my first cleared run too

[stone rune]

my first clear was 33 min

[rustic vale]

Dying to Lernie isn’t unusual later in the game when you start running stuff like HL5 LC4 EM2 FO2

[latent moon]

bruh i'd kill to get a run like this in modded

[royal crystal]

cuz it was on new year so i had to afk lol

i didn't know you could pause it

to pause the timer

[stone rune]

i just did most of those

[rustic vale]

All at once

[stone rune]

yeah

by the skin of my teeth in the end but yeah

[halcyon girder]

My thumb hurts because Im playing on the switch

[royal crystal]

Keyboard>>>>

[halcyon girder]

I should really get hades on the my laptop

[stone rune]

are you ikidding me right now

i just went to plate this lava cake

and it just slid right off

onto the table

[royal crystal]

oh my quickest one is 20 mins

rail gun hammer carried

[latent moon]

gamer

[royal crystal]

the 5 rocket hammer

it feels like I'm using shotgun

[stone rune]

just checked, my fastest was 15:31

[royal crystal]

what did you use

[stone rune]

chiron

[halcyon girder]

Hangover and doom is the best

For me

[latent moon]

that's 2 hammers btw

[royal crystal]

isn't crit chiron better

[stone rune]

it was 9 heat though so who cares

[royal crystal]

yea 2 hammers

[halcyon girder]

Because that's all I get from my runs getting drunk and dooming

[latent moon]

rocket bomb and cluster is bugged so the damage reduction from cluster doesnt affect the rockets

base 400 damage fun

[halcyon girder]

I rarely get Athena anymore or Zeus

[royal crystal]

fr

[stone rune]

i think it's time for 64 heat

im def prepared

[royal crystal]

real question

[latent moon]

bold statement coming from someone who's afraid to lose their streak

[royal crystal]

athena dash or poseidon dash

[stone rune]

it will be free

dw

[latent moon]

depends what heat

[halcyon girder]

Tough choice

[stone rune]

funny way of saying athena dash

[royal crystal]

when I started playing I liked athena but now I prefer poseidon somehow

poseidon is just extra damage

[latent moon]

have you ever went up against speeding seeker spreaders in asphodel

on js3

cp2

[royal crystal]

😭

It made me almost raged out

ngl

[stone rune]

uhhh yeah

totally

[latent moon]

bro that stuff goes around the shield

sometimes

either that or i got hit from other speeding seekers from behind

can't tell

but pain

if i'm not running heat always tdash

[royal crystal]

is it funny that I lost 2 lives on meg

[stone rune]

always

[royal crystal]

I have this attack curse from chaos that made me lose hp

and I'm running zeus railgun

[latent moon]

me doing a speedrun

[stone rune]

why did you take that in chamber like whatever

[latent moon]

because funny

[royal crystal]

cuz special dmg

[latent moon]

what's the benefit out of it

oh based

fair

[royal crystal]

funni 500 dmg

[latent moon]

just dont die

get patty

[royal crystal]

thanks to it i cleared fast with 5 rocket special :'

[halcyon girder]

Neat guan Yu 85 damage on special

[royal crystal]

WHAT

[stone rune]

i think they should make a 128 heat because im so good

[royal crystal]

as a max 10 heat player I rather shut my mouth

[latent moon]

just clear 50 heat

easy

[stone rune]

instead of being offered only one boon you have to take a chaos curse every time

[royal crystal]

also what do you guys pick? cuz I still don't know what pact is good

[halcyon girder]

Caustic flourish chaos Boon "your special does +65% damage" damn

[latent moon]

there's a heat guide pinned in #h1-high-heat-strategies

[stone rune]

check pins

in the heat

[latent moon]

btw a lot of the pacts can be taken at low heat, but at higher heat becomes horrible

[royal crystal]

oh damn didn't know it exist

ty

[halcyon girder]

Should I get tripled jab or winged serpent or flaring spin

[stone rune]

iuri summons

[latent moon]

yeah

[halcyon girder]

Flaring spin just makes me sturdy when I charge spin

[royal crystal]

how to play sword

[stone rune]

press q space mouse1 space mouse1

repeat

[latent moon]

in other words

special -> dstrike -> dstrike -> repeat

[royal crystal]

sword and fist is the weirdest weapon I ever use

[stone rune]

also always get aphrodite

cause she's awesome

aph best god/ess

[royal crystal]

aphrodite has the most damage multiplier right?

[latent moon]

yeah

[royal crystal]

she's broken

[halcyon girder]

Try to get Arthur it's slow but hey it increases your hp

[royal crystal]

Oh okay

[stone rune]

i feel like once i got a higher damage from demeter but demeter is a loser

[royal crystal]

On my first run I used sword Q spam and died on minos

[stone rune]

your first run?

[royal crystal]

yeah

[latent moon]

legit the only time dem will do more damage than aphrodite if it's comparing common aphrodite to epic demeter

[halcyon girder]

Demeter cast is good but when get two beams it's awesome

[royal crystal]

i got the Q hammer

the hit thrice thing

[stone rune]

it was like a replacement and aph was 122% and dem was 125% or maybe im schizo

you got to elysium on your first run?

[latent moon]

that might be like epic to heroic idk

[royal crystal]

3 cast or 1 cast thing

[stone rune]

mir moving like kendrick tellin me to sit down be humble

[royal crystal]

yeah my friend guided me

[halcyon girder]

Depends

[royal crystal]

I bought Hades cuz it was 3 usd something

and I asked my friend who already played it 2 year ago to come and teach me how to play

[stone rune]

i remember

[royal crystal]

Best purchase I ever made last year.

[stone rune]

i played the game a long time ago

did like 3 runs

thought it was alright

[royal crystal]

It must be fun playing it while it was a thing

[stone rune]

like that one time

ratz instagib jumped to 2k players

[halcyon girder]

You know you should try a boon less run

[royal crystal]

so don't choose any boon?

alr I'll try

[latent moon]

easiest with hestia and shackle

[halcyon girder]

But do you have those change fates thing?

[latent moon]

fated authority helps

[royal crystal]

yeah

I only have 1 charge tho

[latent moon]

you can always sell boons

[halcyon girder]

Well then there's the last part

[royal crystal]

wait which one is hestia

[latent moon]

empowered shot rail

[stone rune]

rail

[royal crystal]

oh ic

[stone rune]

the really cool and fun one

[latent moon]

only use if lvl 3+ btw

[royal crystal]

the sniper or chad one

[halcyon girder]

Where all the doors have boons

[latent moon]

sniper

[royal crystal]

ah

[stone rune]

oh yeah

doesn't it start at liek 50 dmg

that would be god awful

[latent moon]

reload after every shot

[royal crystal]

I'm too lazy to reload it

[stone rune]

uh

[latent moon]

well

[royal crystal]

I have it lvl 3

somehow

[stone rune]

just dump all titan blood into it

worth

[royal crystal]

and I always use eris

[latent moon]

arthur, rama, and nemesis are also good

for boonless

[royal crystal]

RAMA MY BELOVED

[stone rune]

why everyone dissing arthur if it's good

[royal crystal]

getting power shot is so fun

[latent moon]

really slow atk speed isn't fun

[royal crystal]

175 base dmg

[stone rune]

people r weird

[halcyon girder]

Should I mute Hermes

[latent moon]

up to you

[stone rune]

its super fun imo

[latent moon]

does nothing in the long run

[royal crystal]

mute hermes?

[latent moon]

i mean i think extremely high heat is fun idk if others would think the same 🤷

[royal crystal]

I never gotten rush delivery combo..

[latent moon]

skill issue

[stone rune]

is arthur good on high heat

[royal crystal]

only once

[latent moon]

mediocre

[halcyon girder]

Mid

[latent moon]

highest is 57 but hella cracked gamer

[royal crystal]

what's good on high heat

[latent moon]

rama, zeus

[royal crystal]

beo?

[latent moon]

well

[royal crystal]

oh

[stone rune]

it seems like everyone <3 eris and beowulf

[latent moon]

how high heat actually

because at like

[royal crystal]

30

max

[halcyon girder]

I should try beo

[royal crystal]

I wanna progress until 30 heat

[latent moon]

zeus has a 64 routed and 63 modded clear

[royal crystal]

wait which one is zeus

[latent moon]

do 32 heat for the prize at that point

[latent moon]

blitz disc shield

[royal crystal]

oh the funny shield throw

[latent moon]

rama has a hyper modded 62 clear afaik, idk what normal modded/unmodded is

[stone rune]

i hate that shield is good

[royal crystal]

yeah 32 I mistaken it for 30

[latent moon]

fair

[halcyon girder]

You know after my 134 runs I still don't know what sturdy does

[royal crystal]

what is modded runs

[latent moon]

but like

64 is just insanely difficult lmao

[stone rune]

30% less dmg, you cannot be interrupted

isn't it

[latent moon]

if you want to download the speedrunning modpack it is available at https://www.speedrun.com/hades/resources
all of its features can be toggled on or off and it includes:

• guaranteed 2 sack
• guaranteed first hammer
• first boon offers all 4 core boons
• removes tiny vermin, asterius, and barge of death minibosses
• shows fountain rooms
  there are also a few qol features such as a quick reset feature and the ability to toggle hell mode, as well as a colorblind mode.

instructions for downloading the modpack are in the file "instructions.txt" in the modpack folder

doesn't necessarily make the game easier, just removes pain rng

[royal crystal]

can you explain tiny vermin, asterius, and barge of death

[stone rune]

tiny vermin omg

[halcyon girder]

I mean turn on god mode you get easy mode up the wazoo

[stone rune]

that little runt

[latent moon]

tiny vermin is the tiny rat miniboss in styx

[royal crystal]

THAT THING

[latent moon]

asterius miniboss is self explanatory i believe

[stone rune]

barge is the really long encounter

in asphodel

[latent moon]

barge is yeah long

[halcyon girder]

I remember that tiny little thing never seen it ever again just one encounter

[stone rune]

pray

[royal crystal]

I ALWAYS PICK POSEIDON DASH CUZ OF TINY VERMIN

i hate that thing

[latent moon]

by the time the first enemy spawns on barge, you can finish any of the other minibosses

[royal crystal]

wait is barge the butterfly orb thing?

[latent moon]

asphodel

boat

[royal crystal]

oh

the boat

[latent moon]

butterfly ball is the other miniboss in ely

it's either bull or ball, and bull is removed

[royal crystal]

asterius?

[latent moon]

that's not valid for speedrunning and can't be used on hell mode

[stone rune]

i remember i used to hate the butterfly ball miniboss

[latent moon]

yeah

the bull

[royal crystal]

ah

[latent moon]

bull is easier to type

[halcyon girder]

Should I get Aphrodite dash?

[latent moon]

depends

what's the rest of the build

[royal crystal]

am I a 🐱 for turning on god mode..

[latent moon]

no

god mode is fine

nothing wrong with using it

[halcyon girder]

Nope I turn god mode all the time

Hell I'm using it right now

[latent moon]

it's just not valid for speedrunning leaderboards and can't be used on hell mode

[royal crystal]

okay good to know I'm not the only one

[stone rune]

does god mode count deaths before you turn it on

[halcyon girder]

But it doesn't do a lot when on max extreme measures

[latent moon]

yes it does

[royal crystal]

2 sack is for styx right? and what are the 4 core boons

[stone rune]

80% dr??

[latent moon]

you're literally taking 80% less damage

[stone rune]

quintupling your ehp????

[halcyon girder]

Try hades

And on switch

[latent moon]

atk, special, cast, and dash

[royal crystal]

ohhh

kk

[stone rune]

isn't console controller like the preferred way of playing

[halcyon girder]

Lite

[royal crystal]

idk I don't have a controller

[latent moon]

you get offered all 4 of those at the start because the game only offers 3 at the start, and different builds want different things

[latent moon]

what's wrong with that

how does god mode not help with em4 or whatever

[halcyon girder]

Well depends on your rng

[latent moon]

that's literally not a switch or em4 issue

[halcyon girder]

For me yes

[latent moon]

sounds like a skill issue frankly

[halcyon girder]

Weirdly it does I just suck skill issues

[stone rune]

yeah that's a you problem

[halcyon girder]

Either that because I was using fists

[latent moon]

there are plenty of controller players that do well

[stone rune]

mfw fists, em4, rng, and switch cause me to be bad at the game

[halcyon girder]

Still i did beat hades

I just complained that god mode doesn't do much on it

[latent moon]

bruh

you beat it because of god mode

you can't call an 80% damage reduction not helpful

[halcyon girder]

True

I should without it probably gonna still lose a lot

[latent moon]

if you only lost 20% hp, then yeah sure it didn't help, you still would've won

if you lost any more than that

you would've lost

[halcyon girder]

I think my health was at five or something

[latent moon]

[stone rune]

if you ended with less than 50% hp, that means that god mode gave u win

[latent moon]

you literally won because of god mode then

[stone rune]

because 2.5

[latent moon]

god mode is 80% is it not

[stone rune]

well yeah

[halcyon girder]

Yep

[stone rune]

but you have 3 DD

presumably

[latent moon]

actually idk how percentages work but either way

if you won with 5 hp

[stone rune]

so 20%*2.5

[latent moon]

you literally cannot call god mode useless

[stone rune]

is 50%

100%-50%=50%

[halcyon girder]

Then there's my 3 DDD

[stone rune]

therefore ending with less than 50% means you would have lost all DD and subsequently cacked it

also why is modimporter.py saying 0 base files import a total of 0 mod files.

[latent moon]

oh btw the modded dem fist wr holder uses controller, so dont blame controller for being bad lmao

[royal crystal]

Isn't god mode is an accumulative damage reduction?

[latent moon]

are you downloading the speedrun modpack

[stone rune]

isn't it preferred

[royal crystal]

cuz I have it 38%

[stone rune]

yes

[stone rune]

more you die more DR

[halcyon girder]

Also quick questions does Daedalus still counts as boons on boonless runs?

[latent moon]

i mean Cheese is saying that being on switch (controller technically i guess) is an issue with em4

[stone rune]

oh i see the issue

[halcyon girder]

I have skill issues at that time

Still do

I suck

[latent moon]

tbh controller and kbm dont matter, both are good and can perform well

[stone rune]

yeah while controller is like sometimes considered better isnt it for the movement

[latent moon]

for hades it doesn't matter too much

[stone rune]

nope didn't fix it

[latent moon]

try asking the modding discord pinned in #self-promotion

they should be able to help

[latent moon]

no

if you can't purge something, then it's considered boonless

so premium vintage technically counts

[stone rune]

there we goooo

[halcyon girder]

I guess it's just one dialogue

[stone rune]

why does color blind mode have options for individual places

[latent moon]

the neat part about kbm is that you can dash one way and aim a different way, so you can dash strike sideways on sword for example
on controller, you have to go right at them
so like, better movement doesnt really matter at that point

[latent moon]

because the places are different colors lmao

asphodel is red

[stone rune]

oh