h1-discussion

[wild dagger]

cool cool

[finite frost]

Extreme measures is needed to progress i think but im not sure. U get extra dialogue for it and they become closer, so idk

[latent moon]

Extreme not emergency lmao

[finite frost]

Lol my bad ill fix

[rustic vale]

You never need to have extreme measures on for meg affinity

[finite frost]

Nice

[rustic vale]

You should have it on anyways because it’s on the cheaper end of pact conditions

[wild dagger]

side hustle in since tartarus or more dashes ?

[rustic vale]

More dashes

[wild dagger]

i like more enemies cause money so i always went with that first

[finite frost]

Dashes and sturdy after dash

[rustic vale]

Js is one of the worse pact options

[wild dagger]

why

not actually more money ?

[finite frost]

More enemies=more time= more effort

[rustic vale]

makes you take longer/room
Gives you more opportunities to get hit by enemies

[wild dagger]

ye but money

[finite frost]

Start turning on Forced overtime and tight deadline

[rustic vale]

The extra obols aren’t worth the time loss and danger

[finite frost]

you'll have enough money always

[wild dagger]

i guess but i like them

lil shiny things

[finite frost]

i promise you'll like finishing 10 mins earlier better lol

[rustic vale]

Plus every level of js makes any other universal enemy affecting pacts that much worse

[finite frost]

Once you start doing higher heat you'll hear us in your ear, whispering to turn it off

[rustic vale]

never should’ve had it on in the first place

[finite frost]

lol true.

[wild dagger]

guess ill do what you say but next run

[rustic vale]

You don’t have to do what we say lol, it’s just a good idea to

[wild dagger]

🧐

[rich horizon]

(if you're not trying to minmax your pact you don't have to listen to them)

[rustic vale]

Minimize danger, maximize win #

[wild dagger]

idk im not really in a hurry either

[rich horizon]

do what's fun for you! it's just a game. although if you start doing high levels of tight deadline I would reccomend jury summons off

[wild dagger]

also which should i go with

[finite frost]

one of us, one of us

[wild dagger]

the thing that gives a percentage of darkness to health or the 3 health when exiting a chamber

[rich horizon]

im a god mode player no one should listen to me :) casual playing ftw

[wild dagger]

i think the first one is good only when i go darkness run

[finite frost]

3 health is what i use and so do most ppl i think

[wild dagger]

in rest idk

[rustic vale]

Cthonic vitality

[rustic vale]

Even then it’s a bad pick because you really only end up regaining hp from troves (not too common) or bosses (theres already a well after the fight anyways)

[wild dagger]

i mean i used it this run and managed to fill my health using both

[rustic vale]

Cthonic vitality is generally better because consistent hp regain over the run

Plus each styx tunnel

[wild dagger]

styx tunnel ?

whats that

[rustic vale]

There are a lot of short chambers in styx that you can regain hp through cthonic vitality

[wild dagger]

i see

[finite frost]

Last region, before dad where you have to find the sack

[wild dagger]

oh cool

[rich horizon]

i got the epilogue and lost all my Hades motivation, anyone have any goal suggestions to get me back into it?

[rustic vale]

32 heat

sub10 minute run

[rich horizon]

ooh 32,,,,

[rustic vale]

Either or

[sonic fulcrum]

or simply just a lot of dialogue still to unlock

[rich horizon]

my best heat is 8 rn

[rustic vale]

Pull a Matty

He jumped from 8 to 32 in like 2 days with no inbetween iirc

or work up to it

Finish your bounties

get all the affinity with everyone maxed

Buy all housing contractor upgrades

There are a lot of things still to do

Maybe work your way off godmode?

Start small work up to the bigger things

[tired karma]

divine dash is the hottest dash
no competition

[rustic vale]

Hottest? 🤨

[rich horizon]

I need to get some of those win screen borders

I have work in an hour but after that imma sit down and see if I can play some hades

ADHD brain loses interest very quickly without a Goal

[rustic vale]

Agreed

That’s how I’ve ended up with a stupid 40 heat goal that I’ven’t been able to complete yet

[brisk trail]

correct me if im wrong but you can have ares cast with another gods cast right?

[rustic vale]

You can’t have 2 different cast cores at that same time…

[sonic fulcrum]

just 1 cast at a time

but you can have duo boons that improve ares cast

[tired karma]

my ADHD brain doesn't let me to continue playing witcher 3 properly cuz it's addicted to hades and the satisfaction you get from breaking your records

[finite frost]

Chasing speedrun PBs is the best part of hades imo lol

[rustic vale]

Speedrun PB’s and heat pb’s

[finite frost]

sometimes a run feels hella fast til u look at the clock

[rustic vale]

40 heat with no meta builds and taking every erebus gate is killing me

[tired karma]

yeah, my first under 10 min run yesterday felt good, it was also under 9 min run simultaneously (8:55)

[finite frost]

yeah that was a huge jump idk how u did it

i been stuck at 9:xx

[tired karma]

merciful end on fists

[finite frost]

disgusting

Im an Eris enjoyer

[tired karma]

and super fun

[rustic vale]

I have 1 sub 10 run and I think it was luck at this point

[tired karma]

I'm stuck on eris on 10:24

[rustic vale]

Zag bow my beloved

[tired karma]

too hard to get the cluster+rocket combo
it's very rare for me

[brisk trail]

my fastest run was like 20 mins 💀

[tired karma]

dio+aphro is also a great combo for fists

[finite frost]

my best runs were without them, for some reason lol. cant get it either most of the time

[tired karma]

9 min without them?
that's impressive

[finite frost]

look up hades speedrun on youtube. Join the cult of getting sub 10

[raw herald]

Don’t need it to pb

My eris has triple rockets and is 6:35

[tired karma]

what can u use instead

[rustic vale]

Look at Hades speedruns on speedrun.com

[raw herald]

Granted clockets would have helped

[finite frost]

yeah, usually triple rockets or triple normal bomb

[raw herald]

Delta is good

[finite frost]

i always seem to get triple lol

[tired karma]

triple + delta chamber?

[raw herald]

Targeting too

[brisk trail]

i might have to learn how to stop sucking at builds first lmao

[finite frost]

eh i mean take one build for each weapon and just grind it

[tired karma]

hazard bomb on eris is peak
I tried to hit myself for the boost cuz it took only 4 health but then it suddenly took 25 after I got targeting system as well
run ended very fast (I died)

[rustic vale]

Tbh that’s more of just asking around here and also playing more to make better decisions

mechanical skill and speedrun strats are also something that should get picked up

[tired karma]

cluster on it's own is annoying to navigate sometimes

[finite frost]

hazard on eris gotta be the most smoothbrain move i've ever heard of (ive done it too)

[rustic vale]

If only hazard, triple, rocket, and cluster bomb were all compatible

[finite frost]

getting cluster first leads into rockets easier bc it removes an upgrade from the hammer pool, idk which one

[tired karma]

when it's the only decent hammer u see u think like "ah, why not"

[rustic vale]

Triple and hazard

rocket only removes hazard

[tired karma]

getting delta chamber on zag rail is fun too

[finite frost]

yep

[rustic vale]

Delta chamber on zag rail 🤨
Spreadfire on zag rail

[tired karma]

most unfun rail is hestia
but I didn't play lucifer for a while

[finite frost]

hestia is fire wdym

shoot, one shot, reload, repeat

[rustic vale]

Delta chamber on zag rail is questionable

[finite frost]

hestia melts everything

[rustic vale]

Shoot, reload, special

[raw herald]

It’s the same as level 0 zag rail with delta tho

[tired karma]

it's boring for me with infinite reload
and it can be annoying when mobs have 40% speed boost

[finite frost]

just get 50% faster. Built different

[rustic vale]

spreadfire on zag rail

[tired karma]

hazard bomb on eris is a must if you feeling spicy

you get stronger by damaging yourself

[rustic vale]

The world if so many rail hammers weren’t incompatible: 📈

Delta chamber/spreadfire/flurry fire would be rad if they were all compatible
Hazard bomb/rocket bomb/cluster bomb/hazard bomb if they were all compatible as well

[visual sand]

facts

[tired karma]

hazard bomb + rocket bomb + cluster bomb would be broken af

[visual sand]

whenever i play hestia i rebind reload to right click so i can just drum my index and middle finger

[rustic vale]

Hazard cluster triple
Hazard rocket triple
Hazard rocket cluster
Rocket cluster triple

[tired karma]

rockets would be bigger and do a huge aoe
but they would also hurt you

[rustic vale]

Lots of self damage

[tired karma]

1 rocket = 1 hazard bomb self dmg
so 5 rockets = hazard bomb self dmg x5

if 1 takes 25 health from u then 5 will take 125

[rustic vale]

320 base damage rockets

[tired karma]

oneshotting yourself by mistake would be funny

[rustic vale]

but there are 5 of them

And they all deal 1% of the damage back to you

1600
16 self damage if you shotgunned

without any boons

[rustic vale]

Also just a stupid amount of damage/special

I don’t think hazard can kill you

[violet oriole]

Hey everyone

[latent moon]

That's actually how fast I leave aspho on beo lmao

Generally around 4 min

Leaving aspho at about 4 is on time for a sub9

Sub8 is doable

But then yeah no mirage kinda just sucks

[thick robin]

hello i just combined the aspect of rama bow with explosive shot, which makes it into a horribly slow cannon

...and this was also the first time i added extreme measures 3 and saw theseus show up with goddamn miniguns

incredible

[tired karma]

Are the mouths of characters move when they talk

[brisk trail]

whats the best mechanical skill for me to know

[latent moon]

Dashing gives iframes, a dash attack removes iframes

So empty dash and dash strike accordingly

[brisk trail]

damn i actually didnt know that abt dash strikes lol

[latent moon]

That's pretty much the only one that carries over for everything

Every aspect after that has some sort of niche thing that is important to know

Generally

[brisk trail]

since it seems like theres a little bit of leeway after a dash where you can still trigger a dash strike, could you technically empty dash into a dash strike?

[latent moon]

Yeah

It's just that it's easier to dash strike by hitting dash and atk at the same time rather than staggering it

So for newer players it's easier to just empty dash when needed

[brisk trail]

i mean i can kick some butt in this game

but theres some things im still figuring out

like builds and some more mechanical skills

[thick robin]

what does empty dash mean?

[raw herald]

Dash without dash striking

[halcyon elm]

what does dealing more damage that encounter mean?

[mint coral]

What boon is that?

[vital spade]

A significant amount of luck must be involved to clear 63 heat ya?

[latent moon]

Prob blood frenzy, but they got their answer in #h1-for-new-players

[latent moon]

Yeah

Ap2 and whatnot

[mint coral]

Yeah i saw that lol

[vital spade]

For me the hardest barrier for higher heats is tight deadline

I can barely clear TD1 sometimes

Idk how I’ll build the dps with spear to do TD4

[mint coral]

Td4 would be funny

[sonic fulcrum]

when you combine it with more enemies with more health, td is really hard

[vital spade]

ya ima fail hard if I try

[latent moon]

3 min per zone lmao

[rustic vale]

TD4 🤨

[latent moon]

TD is free until td4

[latent moon]

Ngl spear struggles with dps if you don't get a good hammer

Or aren't using Achilles

[vital spade]

Spear is slow af if u don’t get exploding launcher and skewer

[latent moon]

Or flurry jab

[mint coral]

How much heat would it be td4?

[latent moon]

Prob 4

So 10 total

Like em4

[rustic vale]

TD is free until TD5 where you have to iframe out of taking 300 damage at the start and after each biome

[vital spade]

Turning TD to max adds 6 heat

[rustic vale]

TD4 would be 4 heat

[latent moon]

Yeah td4 doesn't exist but you said td4 lmao

[vital spade]

Wym

[latent moon]

Sub1 per biome

[rustic vale]

Wait no that’s td6

[latent moon]

Td4

[vital spade]

Tight deadline 4 ya?

[latent moon]

That doesn't exist

[vital spade]

How do u do 5 or 6?

[latent moon]

Td3 is max

[rustic vale]

Tight Deadline 4 isn’t real

[vital spade]

Well whatev td3 then

[rustic vale]

Neither are Tight Deadline 5 or 6

[vital spade]

[rustic vale]

TD6, dash iframe out of taking 300 damage when you start the run and taking 300 damage when you exit each biome

[vital spade]

ez

Which shield aspect is best

[latent moon]

Beo

[vital spade]

Dang I don’t have it

[latent moon]

Zeus then

[vital spade]

Would it take long to get beo

I feel like trying shield for a while

[latent moon]

Prob takes the longest because you need to talk to chaos and you can't force chaos

[vital spade]

[latent moon]

And like all the other ones you just talk to misc gods

Or npc that you can find easily

Fists is a bit harder but it is a 50/50 shot to see in a run

[vital spade]

Is it a strat with Zeus to make ur shield come back then dash around it so it spins in place

[brisk trail]

mfw 10 free titan blood

[latent moon]

Sorta yeah

Another is to throw it out and hit enemies into it

Hold on

[latent moon]

#h1-high-heat-strategies message

Read everything baj has to say basically

Starts off talking about Elysium but later goes into broader strats iirc

[vital spade]

Line em up basically

[brisk trail]

finally maxed out chiron and now we vibin

[rustic vale]

Not entirely

Also after reading all that, there is this exemplary run https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSW8rCZMo9g

[brisk trail]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1057825367987077130/1061408128148721695/image.png

what would be best for a chiron build

[rustic vale]

Flurry

[latent moon]

Does chain make the targeting weird

[rustic vale]

Explosive delays your ability to special and chain shot is chain shot, so flurry is the best optikn

[rustic vale]

Makes it target last enemy hit

[vital spade]

Using shield makes me quickly realize how mid spear is

[latent moon]

Def flurry then yeah

[rustic vale]

So you lose control over your target

[latent moon]

Spear is legitimately mid lmao

[rustic vale]

Plus flurry is flurry and chain shot is chain shot so def flurry anyways

[latent moon]

Flurry is actually really good on chiron

Spend less time sending a volley by making initial shot time shorter

[vital spade]

Spear is ez mode mid weapon with low potential

[brisk trail]

dad spear fun tho

[latent moon]

Achilles is a mid weapon with high potential actually

Has a sub5 modded

[vital spade]

[latent moon]

Achilles is very fast in the front half and struggles more in the back half, but with a crazy build the back half can be a joke

[vital spade]

Ya that’s the issue it’s either OP or u end up with super low dps

[latent moon]

Achilles still has good dps in the back half

[brisk trail]

i honestly dont really like achilles that much

it feels weird to me

[latent moon]

Raging rush kinda good tho

Removing spear recall makes it so good lmao

[vital spade]

Achilles feels slow without good hammers but it’s safe and easy to use

Can just sit back and spam special while mixing in casts

If only we could affect hammers easier

Are there any weapons that are regularly OP without hammers

[gray apex]

Beo

[brisk trail]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1057825367987077130/1061411080427012106/image.png

[rustic vale]

And hera

[brisk trail]

holy balls

[gray apex]

Eris

[brisk trail]

game wants me to win

[vital spade]

103%? On god

Chaos always gives me like +50 special

[brisk trail]

well i also bought something from well of charon to give me a better boon, and i ensured a chaos gate

[vital spade]

The hidden reward can be so annoying tho. Like just mentally lol

[brisk trail]

yea

[vital spade]

Not knowing what you’ll get

[brisk trail]

but hell, for some extra damage ill take it

[vital spade]

Chaos coolest god

[brisk trail]

literally is god.

[vital spade]

Is he supposed to be

Like the creator of the universe

[brisk trail]

i mean, talks about making the land n stuff so ig

[vital spade]

Dusa is true god

[brisk trail]

theseus is god of getting on my nerves

his voice actor did a super good job cause i really hate him

[vital spade]

Meg is more annoying

Edgelord queen

[brisk trail]

i dont mind meg

but theseus is the god of inflated ego

[vital spade]

It’s funny cuz he sucks without astereus

[brisk trail]

after i figured out theseus he became easiest boss in the game

[vital spade]

He has like 2 attacks lol

Hades without extreme measures is super easy too

[kindred flint]

is the loyalty card permanent or just for 1 run

[vital spade]

Only for that run

[kindred flint]

sadge

[vital spade]

[vital spade]

Theseus boss is hardest in the game

Which isn’t saying much cuz the bosses in the game aren’t that hard

Third boss is just most annoying

[latent moon]

bull makes it longer for me because he has more hp and takes more to instaphase

just get cshot lmao

shoot the flare behind him

[vital spade]

He is easy af

[rustic vale]

Rng issue

[latent moon]

just get cshot

also just get modded lmao you're on pc

[rustic vale]

It’s practically just byebye for a dd/sd

[latent moon]

or a run

[hardy spear]

have any of you actually done high heat lernie damageless

i definitely havent

[vital spade]

Em2 lernie is ez with a simple strat of just dodging around the circle while chipping at the heads. Lernie alone doesn’t even do anything lol

[manic kraken]

don’t know whether to keep doing fist runs for Gilgamesh or if I should use some other weapons

[latent moon]

time go brrr

[latent moon]

i think i did until last phase

so no but close

[vital spade]

You still do it fast with exploding launcher

[hardy spear]

crazy

[rustic vale]

Real em2 gamers just bash through all the heads

[vital spade]

[hardy spear]

stone what heat have you played up to

[vital spade]

I’m still new to the gaym and just beat 20 heat so then I tried to bump right up to 32 and beat it first try

But I only did 33 so far

[hardy spear]

dont bother going up one heat at a time

just get 32 on maybe a couple other weapons and jump to 40

[vital spade]

I need more darkness I think

I wasted them all on purple side

[latent moon]

exploding launcher spam moment

[latent moon]

use a key

[vital spade]

[hardy spear]

you can reset your mirror investment

[latent moon]

oh wait i just noticed distant memory on your 32 clear

[hardy spear]

[vital spade]

What’s that again

[latent moon]

more damage to distant enemies

[vital spade]

Oh I like that one lol

Based keepsake

[whole quartz]

If I jump from 1 heat to 10 for example do I get 9 titan blood, 9 diamond 9 ambrosia and 9 blood from each boss?

[vital spade]

Nope

[whole quartz]

So to Max rewards I go up 1 heat?

[vital spade]

That’s why I think u pretty should do it one lvl at a time until up to 20 heat

Yeah I think how it works is u get rewarded only by going one lvl at a time but it stops at 20 heat per weapon

[whole quartz]

So no rewards past 20?

[latent moon]

nope

unless you're using hell mode, then it stops at 25

[vital spade]

Not unless u switch weapons

[whole quartz]

I assume 20 across all weapons has you fully maxed

[latent moon]

funnily enough

completing every bounty and getting every prophecy is not enough for max aspects

you're a bit short

but you get like

so much extra ambrosia

so you can just trade it 1 for 1 yeah

[whole quartz]

Okay thank you 🙂

[vital spade]

Oh that’s wild

[latent moon]

assuming you dont trade it's not enough, but you can easily trade at least like

half the ambrosia you get in the game

[vital spade]

So if u couldn’t trade ambs u couldn’t even max your aspects?

[latent moon]

i dont think so

i remember doing the math at one point

[hardy spear]

ill do the math right now

[latent moon]

15 keys

[rustic vale]

Fishing + Prophecy rewards

[hardy spear]

yeah nah youre short by quite a lot

[latent moon]

i counted prophecy

didnt count fishing

[hardy spear]

wait

[latent moon]

because that's not "reliable"

i said every prophecy and bounty doesnt get you it

[rustic vale]

Just change the game files to make ir 100%

Ez

[latent moon]

lmao just give yourself 10000 titan blood then

[hardy spear]

how much do hidden aspects cost again

[vital spade]

I can’t believe this game doesn’t have lame fish puns when u catch a fish like animal crossing. Literally unplayable

[latent moon]

15

295 for every bounty and prophecy

[hardy spear]

so 50 per weapon i think to max

[latent moon]

306 for all aspects

[latent moon]

51

one of them is 16

[hardy spear]

isnt it 50 cus the zag aspect starts at level 1 or does it not

[latent moon]

uh

[hardy spear]

uh

[latent moon]

wiki says total 5

oh tech lvl 0

[hardy spear]

nah the pins in #h1-for-new-players says it starts at 0

[latent moon]

at lvl 1 it gets a tiny gimmick

[hardy spear]

woah

[latent moon]

i think right

[hardy spear]

yeah

just barely short

[latent moon]

short by 9

wait no 11

[hardy spear]

[latent moon]

what's the rate for a fish to appear in greece

[raw herald]

Idk I don’t fish

[hardy spear]

how many spots are there

3?

[latent moon]

3 spots yeah

[hardy spear]

counting all hades arena ones as 1

[latent moon]

not including the thingy where you walk to the house

[hardy spear]

oh

[latent moon]

oh

[hardy spear]

[latent moon]

lmao

hades arena counts as 1 then

[hardy spear]

so you mean just hades arena

[latent moon]

idk about afterwards

yeah

i've seen 2 other spots during the walk to the house

[hardy spear]

idk why im even asking this i have no idea what the odds are its not like im going to work it out with this info

[latent moon]

bruh lmao

there's one as soon as you get out of the place

and then one near the house once you get there

[hardy spear]

huh

[latent moon]

is that considered same room

[hardy spear]

its been so long i cant remember

[latent moon]

it's a different scene isn't it

the pathway to the house is a midroom sorta thing

and then once you get to the end of that room, you enter a new room

yes you can

[hardy spear]

yeah

[latent moon]

saw a few on reddit, saw my friend do it

[hardy spear]

saw a meme about it

[latent moon]

okay 20% chance in greece

thanks wiki

assuming you win every bounty run

[hardy spear]

ngl i dont trust the wiki for anything

[hardy spear]

25?

.2

[latent moon]

wait hold on i dont remember why i did 2*21*6

[hardy spear]

discord formatting moment

[latent moon]

where did the 2 come from

i'm being dumb

[hardy spear]

2 titan blood but thats irrelevant

[latent moon]

oh right lmfao

[hardy spear]

[latent moon]

yeah 25.2

so 25 runs you get a fish

assuming you get a perfect catch every time

[hardy spear]

im so good at mental maths shame that this has been useless since i got out of primary school

[latent moon]

50% of the time you get another titan blood

[hardy spear]

wow

[latent moon]

you get 12 more titan blood

so like

you barely get enough

assuming everything goes right

[hardy spear]

you get an extra 1 titan blood to spend on whatever you want

[latent moon]

isnt there that like

[gray apex]

Thanks I needed this information

[latent moon]

1TB for 1 diamond

[hardy spear]

well 1.5

[hardy spear]

sometimes

[latent moon]

yeah

[latent moon]

np anytime

[hardy spear]

now we gotta work out the probability of that offer, the key offer, and the average amount of diamonds and keys acquired

im definitely totally going to do that

[latent moon]

same

def gonna do that

[gray apex]

Average bored hades player

[hardy spear]

mhm just gimme a sec

oh im so calculating rn

its nuts

[latent moon]

well i actually did it a while ago because it was a random shower thought

i remember mentioning it in this server before but i couldn't find it so i did it again

[hardy spear]

what did you see blood on your hands while showering and think huh hades titan blood

[latent moon]

#h1-discussion message

[latent moon]

idk lmao

[livid pulsar]

you can, she even has special comment if you grab a fish

[latent moon]

if you miss the fish she says "better luck next time" or something lmao

[hardy spear]

i never got a fish there

[latent moon]

i think i got the fishing rod after my 10th clear lmao

i dont remember but i def didnt get a fish there

[livid pulsar]

by the time i saw i could get fish there i had already got the ending

i saw it in a reddit post, someone posted the video of her dialogue

i never even checked back there

[latent moon]

same

[brisk trail]

Is merciful end available on fresh file speedrun?

awesome tysm

[latent moon]

That's like the only good build

Otherwise you purposefully die to get resources for the mirror

[thorny mirage]

p much

[vital spade]

Em4 hades is cheap imo

Add new attacks, heal powers, a whole new life bar, but obstructing my ability to see is where I get angy

[mint coral]

Abuse the brightness setting like a champ

[vital spade]

I’ve seen some ppl start a run and have 3 dashes. How tho

[latent moon]

gilgamesh

[molten anchor]

I found 2 builds I've fallen in love with. They're so easy to put together too

[ivory swan]

new here
bought hades for christmas
best purchase in a good while
hotel trivago

[fervent jewel]

ok so noobish question

i gave chaos all my nectar and i did the funny for them and me in beating up dad with the egg but how do i give them ambrosia now

the prompt didn't come up when i returned and i'm sad

[ivory swan]

https://hades.fandom.com/wiki/Chaos

[fervent jewel]

oh thanks a lot frederike!

[ivory swan]

hades wiki is my bible

[fervent jewel]

i know but it occurred as i had "maxed" things out so i thought it was the favor

[ivory swan]

though i only check things i have done

[fervent jewel]

i still want to be chaos's good friend so i'll go

[ivory swan]

i wish i could visit chos more often...but it is risky in every layer except the first

too chicken for that

[wicked swan]

you could just equip the chaos egg and take no damage

[latent moon]

egg sucks

[wicked swan]

thats a point

the damage isnt high either so its usually completely fine imo

[ivory swan]

yeah the curses can be quite yish if the fates aren't with me for the asphodel and elysium chambers

[latent moon]

this is why we take fated persuasion

roiling can suck

pauper

[wicked swan]

tbh not really concerned about the curses unless its for attack
since ive been using arthur and nemesis blade alot

[latent moon]

high heat roiling my beloved

[ivory swan]

roiling?

[latent moon]

more enemies

basically jury summons

[ivory swan]

oh

that one is fine lol

[latent moon]

30-80% more enemies

i mean tactics are similar but like you'd actually die

[ivory swan]

more clustered enemies sort themselves out with spreading effects

and perma buff with ares buff

[latent moon]

too many waves of unarmored swordsmen is super annoying

also witches

[ivory swan]

well i manage it

[latent moon]

for low heat it isn't hard ofc

but like

it takes forever

[wicked swan]

i guess so

[ivory swan]

yall realize what we find hard or not is highly subjective? shall I just put "imo" to every sentence?

[latent moon]

i never said it wasn't hard

i said it can suck

[wicked swan]

which aspect should i get for spear again

i already have guan yu but i dont really like it

[ivory swan]

thing is, i'm not a speed runner nor a high heat runner

[wicked swan]

the spear is meh

[latent moon]

spear is hammer reliant yeah

kinda eh

achilles and guan yu are the only good ones

[vital spade]

Haydeez

[wicked swan]

nuts

[vital spade]

I hope haydeez nuts II has more content

[manic kraken]

i got kinetic launcher at the start and ive just been using the fist special like a bow lmao

this is so fun

[vital spade]

I like how fists have shoryuken

[manic kraken]

ayy got the gilga phrase

[deft python]

To learn how to play the lyre, can I just play it 210 times in one run?

[thorny mirage]

You can

Idk why you would

[deft python]

I have seen the epilogue. I have almost every favor unlocked. I need to do 2 more prophecies.

I just want to be done

[latent moon]

actually no

[thorny mirage]

Damn

that’s sad

[latent moon]

you have to talk to orpheus at some point

at least once

[thorny mirage]

oh yeah

To get the help

[latent moon]

no clue i've never completed it

ive only talked to him once

[deft python]

I have every single song unlocked for orpheus’ music thing but I’m missing one

Idk how do get it

[latent moon]

em4 probably

[brisk trail]

finally got a controller to work

its just

so much better

[toxic trellis]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/851199967581831188/1056588077079986256/IMG_8387.jpg

Genuinely one of the coolest shirts I own

Jen Zee is just too good

[slim geyser]

i can hear the DUN DUN DUN DUNN

[slim geyser]

so true

[toxic trellis]

Also

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/851199967581831188/1056588309054369842/IMG_8390.jpg

10/10

Can’t wait for Meg to release

||Don’t care enough for Than to get him||

Now I wait for the Cthonic Gods poster to restock on FanGamer…

[brisk trail]

me when i accidentally get hit fighting hades and dont have any death defiances

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/764541705403760700/1048350707977293825/God_Shattering_Star.mp4

[brisk trail]

[latent moon]

ffs every room has been either numbskull spam or unarmored witches

this would be a good run with mirage shot at c8

but i'm entering c12 at 2:08

which is when i'd want to leave tart

[signal aspen]

skill issue

[latent moon]

leaving tart 2:44

maybe i'll get every skip

well i got eury and a fountain

and entering lernie at 4:00.98

[rich horizon]

finally unlocked themes!!!!

took me long enough

hoooooly cow these are spendy. guess I'm saving up 200 keys!

[tall trench]

I get sad on zag bow when first hammer best take is flurry shot
it's just not as fun

[rustic vale]

What were other options lol

[latent moon]

sniper chain

[tall trench]

relentless volley and I think its called piercing volley

the two special ones

[latent moon]

oh lmao rip

[rustic vale]

Oh bruh

[tall trench]

yeah lol

I'm like "fine I guess we'll hold down attack I guess it works"

[latent moon]

could switch to chiron and take either of those i guess

or switch to a different weapon and hope for better hammers lmao

[tall trench]

Well it's not first chamber hammer

just Tartarus hammer

[rustic vale]

Switch to another aspect/weapon anyways

[tall trench]

but yeah usually the only time I'll run chiron is if first chamber hammer is meh

I mean I could just restart the run and get a diff hammer

[latent moon]

oh rip

[tall trench]

its just like flurry shot isn't bad you know

its just kinda a more boring playstyle if that makes sense

[rustic vale]

flurry shot makes every shot a standing shot right

[tall trench]

I think you can still dash strike, at least I hope

it just makes it more effective to kinda stand and shoot afterwards I think

yeah can still dash strike

[latent moon]

i dont think dstrikes exist with flurry

[rustic vale]

Actually no I think I’ve dstriked on flury idk

[tall trench]

I mean zag does the different bow animation with flurry strike when dashing still

[latent moon]

oh lmao then i guess they exist

most of your shots are gonna be standing tho

[tall trench]

Yeah

I usually go arty with hunter dash and lean into dash attack% if chaos offers it

[rustic vale]

yeah

[tall trench]

but still dash strike and then standing strikes in between next dash does good DPS I think dont get me wrong

[rustic vale]

It is still good dps

[tall trench]

Yeah I'm at chaos gate so if the only offer is a good dstrike% then I'll probably give up if not just run with it

er, stand still with it

[rich horizon]

do people ever do one god only runs?

[tall trench]

Sometimes I wish. Zeus, Poseidon, sometimes Arty, I would like to get them as only god but then they show up once and never again lol

[rich horizon]

I'm doing a really scuffed posiedon only run with luci (supersoaker++++ ig) and it is ridiculosly fun

[tall trench]

Poseidon only sounds pretty fun since he has so many internal synergies

[rich horizon]

im so rich bc I keep having to purge boons

[rustic vale]

The only god I would want to one god only would be zeus I think

Maybe demeter

[latent moon]

you do realize that supersoaker only works because sea storm is budget lightning strike right lmao

[rich horizon]

I'm also technically using hermes but shhhh we don't talk about that he doesn't count

[tall trench]

Sea Storm, the forbidden legend
Gone for it many times but never actually had it appear

Hermes only run
True forbidden legend

[latent moon]

tdash not opening sea storm is a travesty

[rich horizon]

sea storm is one of the few duos I've never gotten 😭 I just don't like zeus

[rustic vale]

Bouldy only run

[rustic vale]

[rich horizon]

this is a meme run I'm doing whatever the opposite of the meta is

[rustic vale]

Which aspect?

[rich horizon]

luci

supersoaker but weird

[latent moon]

super soaker isn't even meta for luci

it's just a thing lmao

the meta for super soaker is just sea storm

[rich horizon]

ik! like I said, opposite of meta :)

[latent moon]

because that's like the only thing that makes it viable and deal damage

[rich horizon]

pfffff viability

who cares /j

entering ely and no splash dash wtf

[tall trench]

Even without sea storm I just find tidal dash on its own with all the poseidon boons fun enough lol. At least around where I am (13 heat), no matter how the rest of the run is going, at that point you can just dash it all to death

[rustic vale]

[tall trench]

oof

[rich horizon]

im grinding for harsh conditions so I'm doing meme runs to make it more interesting

currently running 1 heat, the one that makes traps do more damage idr what it's called

[rustic vale]

Heightened Security

watch out for Hades pots

[rich horizon]

yeah that!

[rich horizon]

alternatively, have 500 health /j

[rustic vale]

Taking 150 damage from a pot is still a large chunk

[rich horizon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1053536636572532766/1061522738029809814/image.png?width=755&height=425 this is kinda sad ngl,,, 2 pommable boons in elysium

[rustic vale]

It’s only sad because of which boons they are

[rich horizon]

:(

[rustic vale]

If it was 2 pommables but one was a hangover boon I’d be ecstatic

[rich horizon]

I bet I could submit a demeter only run to speedrun leaderboards and have first place /j

due to. being the only submitter.

actially I need to investigate this now

[rustic vale]

Of course being the only submi-

[rustic vale]

You’d be creating a new category

[rich horizon]

I'm not a speedrunner by any meaning of the term, my best time is 18 minutes, I just want to make this a category so other people do it

[rustic vale]

People don’t just play categories because they exist and are free tbh

Otherwise there are a bunch of categories that are literally ripe for picking

[rich horizon]

shhhhh let me dream

[latent moon]

seeded 40 heat modded is ripe for picking

[rustic vale]

That’s what I was referring to

[latent moon]

same with 32 and 50

[rustic vale]

All you need to do is forget to record a death

and you’re set

[latent moon]

wait 32 heat seeded unmodded has 1 runner

and it's 27:38 igt

literally free

[rustic vale]

Plus you can grab a record for each aspect lol

[latent moon]

TRUE

wait i read the wrong thing

igt is 14:57

can be free

did they always put igt first

i swore it used to be second

[rustic vale]

14:57 rta. 27:38 igt

[latent moon]

i can probably beat that on beo

wait my 40 heat was like 10:30 ofc i can beat that

[rustic vale]

Go beat it with icy flare

[latent moon]

no thanks

[tall trench]

Arty and Aphro zag bow with flurry shot
Aphro is only offering dash, do I take it? Seems like hunter dash would be a waste to go for, could add athena to the pool or try for tidal dash

but tidal dash probably not as good with bow and without the funny water boons

[latent moon]

aphro is good for zag bow

even the dash

[rustic vale]

aphro dash good if you hit triple shot

[tall trench]

Yeah, I usually try and get her on special or cast

[latent moon]

can get heart rend

[tall trench]

Triple shot passion dash sounds good

Yeah going for hear trend

*rend

[latent moon]

you dont even need triple

[tall trench]

Alright I'll take it, save a reroll

[latent moon]

just point blank anyways

[tall trench]

Well, I am sure it will be useful

it's just hard to proc without being deliberately close ofc

Which I otherwise have no reason to be

[latent moon]

me who plays bow like a melee weapon:

[rustic vale]

Same

[tall trench]

I mean I'll end up pretty close incidentally still half the time, but with flurry I feel like I'mma get hit if I end dash next to things cause of the standing attacks

But one of the problems I sometimes have with heart rend zag bow is triggering weak enough

Like if its on special, thats kinda wasted time to apply it

[rustic vale]

Heart rend zag bow often has aphro on strike

[tall trench]

Really? I always put arty on strike, but I guess that makes sense since you don't have to apply anything from her just have her in slot

Dunno why I've never tried that tbh

Certainly wish she was on attack now tbh

And I always go for her on dash so hm... I'll try that next time

[latent moon]

either way works tbh

you crit more for more damage, or you crit less often but with more consistent damage

[tall trench]

Well it would solve my weak application problem

Makes sense

[rustic vale]

Hunter dash doesn’t open heart rend btw

[tall trench]

[rustic vale]

because it doesn’t give a crit chance

Otherwise you could open up heart rend with 0% crit chance

[tall trench]

lmao true

"just know that if I could crit you it would hurt!"

Well, zag bow does have inherent crit unless it's level 1

[rustic vale]

Why would aspects open duos

[tall trench]

no I'm not saying that

I'm just saying you would have crit chance is all

with zag and aprho attack + arty dash

[rustic vale]

Lvl1 zag bow has 3% crit chance

[rich horizon]

guess who just got splash dash in styx 🤪 ✌️

[tall trench]

the splash zone has been opened

Does sunken treasure count as a boon you actually keep? Like, can I purge it when UC comes up?

[rustic vale]

Unpurgeable

[tall trench]

today is just
so sad

[rustic vale]

?

You’re learning lots

[tall trench]

I gotta purge the dash

Well, I guess I should purge demmie cast, I think it's setting me up for the wrong duo anyway

[rustic vale]

Purge huge catch instead

[tall trench]

but its heroic

I guess thats just more money

[rustic vale]

So it’s more obols

[tall trench]

Yeah, but I'm already on one of those runs where I'mma hit styx with like 1400 obols probably

[rustic vale]

Why would you hit styx with that many obols?

Spend them

Also yes purge dem cast over the dash

It’s not helping you on zag bow

[tired karma]

Hades streams are fun to watch to see people struggle

[tall trench]

Only good offer from early hermes was epic side hustle, got posiedons increase gold reward boon and a gold increase from chaos since nothing else was takeable

so I like just can't stop making money right now

[rustic vale]

Anyways purge dem cast because it’s honestly just nerfing your cast by removing your boiling blood

[tall trench]

yeah, i feel that

[rustic vale]

Night

[tall trench]

later

[tired karma]

Do characters move their mouths in hades or do all of them talk with their mouth closed

[tall trench]

Dusa moves her mouth, but its more of a "mouth wide open with her tongue dangling out from side to side" sorta thing

it's... Unnerving when you see her face the camera during a convo

[tired karma]

Skelly moves it in a fixed pattern no matter if he talks or not

On a loop

[rich horizon]

I THOUGHT YOU WERE EXAGGERATING

wowza I haven't died to hades in a long time

[tired karma]

Imagine if theseus got buffs from hermes as well

Max speed + small barrier when he runs

[tall trench]

What gods mix well with Zeus for Zeus shield?

I can think of Arty for support fire and maybe demeter to chill and make things easier to park the shield next to

I have poseidon on offer but I think adding more knockback would just make positioning tougher with the lightning beyblade

I'm guessing zeus, demeter, aphrodite and artemis, though I'll try and get athena in if she shows up before any of them since I still need to get lightning phalanx and I wouldn't turn down her dash

[latent moon]

aphrodite to open up smair

and get zeus or dio call

[tall trench]

yeah thats what I was thinking with aphro, didn't consider dio's call though

[latent moon]

poseidon isn't so bad if you take his cast and get sea storm, which procs on attacks without tempest strike

[latent moon]

zeus or dio, both calls have good dps

this is assuming zeus special btw

[tall trench]

I was wondering if the attack would proc sea storm due to inherent knockback

[latent moon]

yes it does

[tall trench]

yeah zeus special

[latent moon]

free 40 damage

i wont go out of my way for it

but if it happens then why not

[tall trench]

and nice, I didn't take him but next run if he shows up organically again I'll go for it

[latent moon]

aphrodite is the best option for smair, but other than that everything else is just whatever tbh

you really just want more zeus boons

[tall trench]

I figured cold fusion with demmie attack would be nice

but yeah as much zeus as I can get is ideal

[latent moon]

what's the point if you constantly apply jolted anyways

[tall trench]

uuuuuuuh yeah good point

whelp, I'm holding the horn already

[latent moon]

lmao if you're still in the mid room before aspho or whatever

you can just hit "give up" and reenter

and pick something else

[tall trench]

nah, I literally just left, and I think you mean "quit"

that's a mean way to try and get someone to start over lol

I'll just roll with it and know better next time

[latent moon]

oh yeah quit lol

[tall trench]

I watched my friend do that the other day and I couldn't stop them in time

f

[tired karma]

https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/vp3b2h/100_attempts_0_escapes_what_am_i_missing/

Damn

F

[tall trench]

wow

What am I missing?
Probably all of the enemies or something? idk

[latent moon]

lmfao

[tired karma]

Lmao

[tall trench]

uhh I dunno if I broke charon or not

Got him in the lower left corner of his arena during the fight at about the phase change when he destroys the final pillars, dude would occasionally attack after that but never moved again

[upper yew]

I just unlocked the aspect feature

Which aspect should I get first

[tired karma]

What weapon u prefer

[tall trench]

should think about what weapon appeals to you more + what aspect description appeals most ig. Some aspects don't work as well until they're levelled some while others work fine at level 1

[tired karma]

Is olympusextra decent

[upper yew]

I'm fine with all weapon

[tired karma]

Pick eris rail

[upper yew]

Why

[tall trench]

I'm not sure why my affinity with Ares is still locked. I've completed the 10,000 killed prophecy and spoken with him multiple times since then, but it still won't unlock. What could I be missing?

[tired karma]

Eris will make your life easy

[finite frost]

Its very strong, very safe and very easy

Zeus attack(take his keepsake in tart), Arty special, Tidal dash, look for rockets+cluster bomb rocket. You can go any special and any dash tbh youll still be crazy strong

[tired karma]

https://youtu.be/DSpG46o9jdM

Lol

[wicked swan]

rush delivery

[tall trench]

NICE! I finally found the only duo I haven't been able to get yet, Sea Storm

I mean, I am in the middle of my approval process run

and I can't take it

but just look at that sucker

so cool

[tired karma]

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Zagreus_(Hades)

Zag is op

[lunar moth]

Ummm another bug?
So I've just had a conversation between Ares and Demeter meaning that they must have offered me a duo boon but I can't see the one?

I mean it's never happened before, I've got 400 hours here

[tall trench]

asphodel has far too many jumpy boys for how big the levels are, that one bomber who decides to just jump back and forth without attacking is the true final boss

[tired karma]

Did anyone here beat a run while blindfolded

[tall trench]

how immediate is the movement speed from hypersprint?

would it be in affect during a dash strike

if I combo it with rush delivery?

[raw herald]

Yeah

[tall trench]

Thanks, I thought so, but he has other good options so wanted to double check

[raw herald]

You get the bonus damage from the start of the dash to the end of the sprint

It’s why hyper delivery is so op

[tall trench]

Best case scenario then, thanks for clarifying when it starts and ends. I have flurry jab achilles rn so 25% extra damage is hard to turn down even against epic side hustle

my gold is fine

[raw herald]

how is it +25%?

common hyper sprint and common rush delivery is +50%

[tall trench]

Well hyper is 100% and rd is +50% of move speed bonus so

oh

well you got me

yes

so, I've seen some high level runs, and I have a much deeper appreciation for how good flurry jab is

second hammer is serrated though
I've not gotten any cast boosts so this is primarily a melee run, this is still a good take right? The dash reduction sucks but it's a big boost to the dstrike -> strike combo

[royal crystal]

hidden aspect dialouge for railgun is rng right?

so I need to talk to zeus and then restart the run right? or should I die and talk to him in the next run?

[flat bloom]

just keep talking to zeus

[tired karma]

Which god's place would u visit first on the olympus if u managed to reach it

I would go to aphro's place

[vital spade]

Hermes cuz he gives actually good boons and is a real G

[barren cedar]

artemis prob

[vital spade]

Are there any other supergiant games that are as good as hades

Or is hades pretty clearly their current best game

[tired karma]

Well they said that they couldn't create hades without pyre
And many praise transistor

I've also read somewhere that the company was created for hades but they weren't ready at the time, so each of their previous games was just a practice to make hades

Hades is their ultimate game

[vital spade]

Are their other games rogue likes too

[high island]

Haelian and Wriste13.

[raw herald]

Haelian was guided iirc

Dunno about wriste

[rustic vale]

Blindfolded Hades sounds crazy

Were they routed?

[high island]

Haelian was guided by his wife and then him and Wriste13 guided each other.

[tired karma]

Guided doesn't really count

[rustic vale]

Tbf unrouted unguided blindfolded hades sounds like hell

[high island]

Not routed no.

[rustic vale]

How would you even find room exits

And then asphodel

[raw herald]

Time

And luck

[high island]

Blindfolded aside, there are blind Hades players.

They use a mod that turns off magma damage and some screen-reading stuff to read out boon options and stuff. Don't know all of the specifics.

[rustic vale]

That’s actually pretty cool

[vital spade]

I’m not blind but i only have 1 hand

That counts for something ig

[proud lodge]

I am soooo happy right now. My first time playing Hades Was at my brothers flat when it came out, because my Set up didn't support the game.
But my Dad gave me his old ps4 today, so I can finally play the game again without weeks of waiting between sessions!!!
I am starting all anew. Hades, here I come!!!

[vital spade]

Haydeez time

Have fun

[vivid ice]

i got clockets for the first time today

[proud lodge]

I will. It will be frustrating because I haven't played console in ages - but the design and art make up for it

[vital spade]

Did you clear the game before?

[wicked swan]

Same thing happened to me today but i didnt get a good complementary build

I somehow ended up with curse of drowning 💀

[vital spade]

Skill issue

[wicked swan]

Fr

[vivid ice]

i took curse of drowning on a beo run earlier today to finish the prophecy and it made me very confused

ended up purging it later and all was fine afterwards

[rustic vale]

Call Curse of Duty Drowning moment

[proud lodge]

Alright, I still have to wait. The PS says the game needs another 7 (!) Hours to download

Oh now it's 34 hours. Glitch obviously

Urgh

[proud lodge]

Sadly not, couldn't get the game time in, my brother lives 1 hour away

[ivory swan]

For hades?

[proud lodge]

Yeah. Now it's 61 hours. There's obviously an issue with my Internet it seems

[ivory swan]

I guess so. My hades install was 8 gbit (minus the patch , i think)

Much smaller than the AAA titles i own (40-60 gbit)

Maybe you can check your network speed and/or plug a ethernet cable

[proud lodge]

It is 8 gb, just having some sdues. It keeps switching between 61, 34, 7 and 1 and 43 hours

[ivory swan]

Oof gl. Either glitch or unstable and slow internet

[proud lodge]

Unstable and slow is my guess. I live in kind of a low signal zone so I'm glad it's even progressing

Maybe a restart will help

[ivory swan]

Gne...

I'd check the speed first

[proud lodge]

There we go, 113 minutes

It's a glitch issue most of the time

Well, gives me time to do laundry while I wait

Ha! 86 minutes. Restarts do the trick.

And now it's 99+ hours.. the gods hate me

[royal crystal]

3 runs and I still don't get the dialouge from zeus for rail gun hidden aspect :'

[rustic vale]

Do you have Guan-Yu revealed?
Do you have 5 titans blood in the rail?
Have you got a prior phrase from Zeus while using the rail before going for the awakening phrase?
If the answer to all of these is yes, you simply have bad rng

[proud lodge]

I forgot how insanely beautiful this game is ❤️

[tired karma]

I forgot how empty the house of hades looks when you start the game
poor Achilles just stands in an empty place, lol
it's like he moved to a brand new apartment

mine is so packed and lively rn

[olive verge]

hey everyone, can i ask a question here?

i need to get the Burner perk from Benefits Package for prophecy and achievement but i did like 5 runs and haven't met it yet, is there any condition or certain enemy that this perk applies to?

[sonic fulcrum]

you can find enemies with Burner only in Asphodel, i don't think there is any other limitation

[olive verge]

i see, ty. guess i'll have to do more runs

[rustic vale]

Run bp2 for the extra likeliness

[olive verge]

yea, i'm already doing it, ty

[brisk trail]

can someone explain to me how to trigger power shot on rama, i released the button like it said but nothing happened

oooh its a timing thing

im so stupid lol

[latent moon]

it's like that for every bow lmao

[brazen aspen]

hey, is Hades 1 worth getting into now since 2 is on the way? I havent played a dungeon crawler since Path of Exile

[dusky solar]

yes.

always.

its so good.

[brazen aspen]

how hard tho?

I imagine getting beaten is a gameplay mechanic

[dusky solar]

the main story itself? not hard. the epilogue and post game content? gets pretty AAAAAAAAAAAA

[rustic vale]

Subjective

High heat universally hard though

But that’s optional

[dusky solar]

its very much a skillbased game but anybody can do the story and probably the epilogue if they tried hard enough

[brazen aspen]

so I feel like supporting, there is only the sound track dlc?

[ivory swan]

I am new to roguelite games and managed quite well. Gaining in power is part of the progression even if you die

[rustic vale]

If you’re struggling badly but still want to enjoy the game/ explore the story then godmode is a option setting in game that you can turn on or off when you want to btw

[high island]

It's not Ninja Gaiden difficulty.

[brazen aspen]

I see, will see to getting the game, it takes a while

[high island]

Meanwhile Ninja Gaiden calls its easiest difficulty "Ninja Dog".

[brazen aspen]

I feel like Ninja Gaiden was a lost bet

[pine silo]

why is everyone so hot in this game

[ivory swan]

Bi/pan panic ensues

[manic kraken]

running beo rn, +74% cast damage is better than +1 cast right?

[proud lodge]

Ahhh how I've missed the blood pool...
Which weapon are you guys most adept with in the beginning? The bow is difficult for me

[sonic fulcrum]

Usually, yes, i can find some specific cases where +1 cast would be better, but i would usually pick the +dmg

[manic kraken]

great

[ivory swan]

I like the nervous style of the fists. After that, hammer can change the gameplay alot

[sonic fulcrum]

shield can be pretty safe and not too hard to use, fist are easy to use

[proud lodge]

Let's see how far I go

[latent moon]

Unless you're running trippy flare with stygian soul, the cast damage will always be better here

[manic kraken]

no this is chaos

[latent moon]

Mathematically the damage here is better

[manic kraken]

and i alr took it lmao i said that 4 minutes ago

this is tart

does swift strike make dragon rush charge up faster

[rustic vale]

Iirc no

[manic kraken]

it was side hustle and the the thing that makes you speedy after dash

yeah i wouldve taken side hustle now but oh well

[rustic vale]

Hyper sprint

Should’ve taken hyper sprint tbh

[manic kraken]

that’s it

ok

[rustic vale]

Because hyper sprint opens rush delivery and is +100% movespeed afterwards so you’re getting a good damage boost just by dashing

And sturdy is nice

[high island]

No, but regular Attack is faster, so the time before Dragon-Rush is shorter if you charge from a standing Attack. Won't affect charging from Dash-Attacks.

[latent moon]

I'd still take the cast damage because wave pounding is boss only

And it's also still more damage per cast probably