Sisyphus deserves it all too (best girl)
#h1-discussion
signal river
hardy spear
heh
thorny mirage
tulip slate
I wonder, why are the designs for Meg and then the 2nd sister so raidically different
Like Meg says actual sentences
And then the 2nd just says murderer xD
hardy spear
And then the 2nd just says murderer xD
shes got uhh.. personality
tulip slate
Yeah...
high island
Playstyle isn't a factor when gauging aspect strength. If somebody's using a suboptimal playstyle for the aspect, they just simply need to change their tactics and probably practice more. That's not the aspect's fault if somebody's performance with an aspect is subpar because their tactics are subpar.
brisk trail
Playstyle isn't a factor when gauging aspect strength. If somebody's using a sub...
Fair, however, if multiple people state their subjective experience to be that it's somewhat easier to attune to one aspect and play it effectively than another, I'm also going to pass that along in all fairness.
tulip slate
If i cant left click my way to victory then idk smhsmh
brisk trail
This is why notions like "hard to play" or "some people are really good at this specific thing" are NOT considered in terms of the meta, but should be considered in terms of what one person will actually get the furthest with
tulip slate
Yeah, meta is usually a fairly simple thing, so its easy to access for everyone
brisk trail
I'll flat-out use a personal example. I can not play Hestia for the life of me. Doesn't mean it's bad, but it does mean that I personally will likely always get further with Eris or even Lucifer than I am likely to with Hestia. Hestia has speedrun records. I'm aware of that. It's just not for me, and frankly, in a game where I'm playing for enjoyment, you couldn't pay me to play Hestia.
warm nimbus
This is why notions like "hard to play" or "some people are really good at this ...
best example of this is probably rama in speedrunning
brisk trail
Don't post the rama wall when someone brings up rama CHALLENGE (Gone wrong) (LIVE)
high island
Fair, however, if multiple people state their subjective experience to be that i...
I suppose 2 is technically multiple. 
ionic minnow
Does charged shot... hit twice?
I'm noticing it's going through armor sometimes, is that normal (like armor is supposed to stop the damage when it hits 0)
OH i know whats happening
hardy spear
is it beo
ionic minnow
I'm charged shotting from close up so the automatic melee is triggering as well
I think thats what it is
hardy spear
ah
latent moon
Chaos atk curse procs twice on bull/dragon rush and cshot lol
hardy spear
eh if you get attack curse youre probably getting down to 1hp either way
hardy spear
yeah
ionic minnow
eh if you get attack curse youre probably getting down to 1hp either way
I just simply don't use my attack 😎
hardy spear
tall trench
beo is a hell of a thing. I am new to it so I sorta botched my setup some but basically just having a pommed poseidon cast is pretty much obliterating everything in the general vicinity of any styx room. I was trying to go for mirage shot but don't think it's happening, but as I understand it would majorly boost the damage
ionic minnow
how much dmg does max gilga maim do again ive got it at level 1
Like 400-something
Or just 400
brisk trail
i think im officially in love with chaos shield
flat bloom
Or just 400
^ i think
ionic minnow
It's just 400, I checked
flat bloom
yea
hardy spear
beo is a hell of a thing. I am new to it so I sorta botched my setup some but ba...
mirage doubles the cast damage on beo
tall trench
yeah that's mind blowing to me lol
hardy spear
yep
tall trench
I'm already clearing most entire rooms with a single go
^ right thats just where I am right now
flat bloom
beo shines when it instaphases hades
ionic minnow
What beo build 1phases dad
hardy spear
nah i think beo shines pretty well in styx
ionic minnow
Trippy?
hardy spear
What beo build 1phases dad
a lot
hardy spear
like anything half decent
latent moon
Achilles and hestia shred faster early game
flat bloom
trippy flare has a bug w its poms
tall trench
Honestly as soon as I got poseidon cast it was shredding most everything, but it did ramp up significantly as I got rupture/knockback goodies and poseidon's dash
high island
how much dmg does max gilga maim do again ive got it at level 1
0 because the enemies are already dead.
tall trench
I would agree on the achilles and hestia point
but I feel like I'm definitely doing more than I do with hestia right now even without mirage
hardy spear
yeah probably
tall trench
Yeah I mean this thing does seem to do particularly well in styx, both the dash and the beo cast
hardy spear
beo lategame is just hestia but every attack hits the entire room
tall trench
cause of the small spacing
latent moon
Yep
tall trench
Yeah that sounds about right
high island
But also true.
tall trench
Hestia when every room has 100 small rats
warm nimbus
Late game not entire game tbh
^^ beo has some problems in asphodel
latent moon
Hestia when every room has 100 small rats
Just hold down m1
warm nimbus
overall though shreds most of the game
ionic minnow
https://tenor.com/view/blue-archive-skill-issue-gif-26367620
What is this from? VRChat? Final fantasy 14?
tall trench
yeah just rapid firing is what I do
hardy spear
sensible
tall trench
I would take splashdash but I always take hunter's dash on hestia
latent moon
^^ beo has some problems in asphodel
Some is an understatement tbh
warm nimbus
i mean its true. better than most aspects but there are still far better ones
tall trench
Yeah asphodel was a bit rough just cause of lava
warm nimbus
like hesty/achilles
tall trench
but wasn't a big deal
latent moon
Everyone is jumpy and hard to hit if you're trying to go fast
tall trench
Yeah I did encounter that too
hardy spear
if youre not going for speed beo is probably fine in aspho
tall trench
end up using your rush on nothing after they jump away
latent moon
Also big rooms
warm nimbus
its fine with cshot but still annoying
hardy spear
stair room 
latent moon
Hesty and Achilles are fine
tall trench
when the bomb guy just jumps from one end of the football field sized room to the other without attacking
latent moon
stair room <:residentzag:580097451197857816>
Donut room
hardy spear
warm nimbus
but like the problems beo has in aspho are so minor
tall trench
but I want the big number
hera is fun but I found it to be like, just more work for less damage compared to hestia and I guess beo now
maybe even achilles
but I'm still learning
hardy spear
i like playing zagbow more than hera idk why
tall trench
zag > rama > hera > chiron
Rama feels goofy to me but its so satisfying when it works
latent moon
i like playing zagbow more than hera idk why
Missing an attack is less punishing probably
hardy spear
Missing an attack is less punishing probably
what a roundabout way to say that i suck
warm nimbus
nah its just that kbm hera sucks
latent moon
Hey I suck with Hera too
tall trench
Well, my first run it was level 1, so I ended up leaning into the special a lot which feels a bit lame
hardy spear
nah its just that kbm hera sucks
im controller
tall trench
second run it was like level 4 I think? And it worked fine
warm nimbus
im controller <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
oh
hardy spear
i have
latent moon
i dont think it's a cast button issue
hardy spear
its more of a bow playstyle problem
high island
hera is fun but I found it to be like, just more work for less damage compared t...
Hera is the most consistent for DPS out of those.
latent moon
it's an aiming issue lmao
i suck with hera because i can't aim for the life of me
i rely too much on the aoe from beo flares
high island
Achilles not really in the conversation, relies way too much on one specific hammer for good DPS.
carmine wraith
Getting elysium story room right after spending 200g to get back to 2/3 DD ._.
warm nimbus
Hera is the most consistent for DPS out of those. <:tizomg:456913427588317184>
pretty sure beo tops hera on that one
hardy spear
nah aim assist snaps pretty well but im not used to having to stand still so much
tall trench
Hera is the most consistent for DPS out of those. <:tizomg:456913427588317184>
I mean, with hera I just need a decent cast and my damage is already pretty good, vs hestia where I feel like I need to stack some crit or damage to get it to work, but otherwise I end up doing higher numbers much more quickly and easily with hestia
latent moon
athena dd cheese?
tall trench
But maybe that will change as I learn hera more 
hardy spear
I mean, with hera I just need a decent cast and my damage is already pretty good...
for hestia you just slap a fat % on your attack and youll be fine
latent moon
athena dd cheese or tooth
tooth is more consistent, athena dd cheese is nice if you can pull it off and keep it past lernie
yeah because acorn exists
oh
tall trench
for hestia you just slap a fat % on your attack and youll be fine
Oh for sure, but if I can stack a few % attacks and go for crit it gets crazy, overkill for sure at least around my heat levels rn but fun
latent moon
dc2 and what
hardy spear
wack
latent moon
i mean if you feel like you're fine with heroes then you can take athena into ely if you want
high island
Hera one-shots much more consistently than Hestia. Hestia can't one-shot armored enemies with Attack at all lol. And Beowulf is still great without Charged Shot but lags behind Hera.
brisk trail
so is explosive return considered good for chaos shield?
tall trench
Hera one-shots much more consistently than Hestia. Hestia can't one-shot armored...
That's a good point about the armored enemies yeah
latent moon
i'd frankly just take tooth into aspho and acorn into ely and styx
high island
Lucky Tooth into Asphodel only really good for AP2 tbh.
latent moon
Lucky Tooth into Asphodel only really good for AP2 tbh.
i mean it's still just lernie tax insurance regardless
warm nimbus
agree with nyaanyaa in that forcing a god is probably better if youre not on ap2
hardy spear
if you dont you can use tooth before leaving aspho
ive never used tooth for aspho didnt think about this
hardy spear
Gamers.
latent moon
i mean do whatever frankly
god keepsake works fine
tooth if you think you're gonna get trans lernie slammed to death
high island
i mean it's still just lernie tax insurance regardless
Why would anyone die to Lernie unless the build is just like... utter garbage.
warm nimbus
just got dio flare replace in c3 that run died a bit faster than i was expecting
hardy spear
Why would anyone die to Lernie unless the build is just like... utter garbage. <...
i still die to lernie sometimes
warm nimbus
lernie is also hard
latent moon
exactly
high island
I have no idea which one y'all kids are calling trans Lernie.
hardy spear
slam
latent moon
blue spiral horns
latent moon
high island
Yeah, there's no pink lol.
latent moon
i mean aspho lightning makes it look vaguely pink
and tbh i thought it was pink tipped horns
until i looked it up a while ago
high island
Anyway, melee Lernie is so easy to do hitless.
latent moon
well not everyone is you
hardy spear
i thought they were just full blue i think my tv is funky
warm nimbus
no need to be rude about it
latent moon
homie's asking for help and saying it's easy isn't helpful
warm nimbus
a good number of people agree that lernie is a difficult boss in high heat anyways
hardy spear
a good number of people agree that lernie is a difficult boss in high heat anywa...
ok so its not just me being bad
latent moon
for what
i dont think it matters too much frankly
i'd rather get good hermes
2nd hermes could be good
yeah so take nectar lmao
you could also have a chance for smair
warm nimbus
ambrosia seems useless there
latent moon
well get a call, next zeus/aphro boon could get smair
and last charge for hermes
it's still possible to get smair out of the nectar
hardy spear
these kind of things make me believe
latent moon
ok so its not just me being bad<:bouldy:523329116934635534>
i died more to lernie than to heroes at high heat lmao
it's just so chaotic, and trans lernie def isn't helping
esp with the falling debris
aphro call smair doesn't sound like a bad idea frankly
unless you'd rather have dps
pos call smair decent for movement and would also open up sea storm lmao
hardy spear
i died more to lernie than to heroes at high heat lmao
do you mean like loes a dd or lose a run
latent moon
both
hardy spear
it's just so chaotic, and trans lernie def isn't helping
also yeah bro got a lot of heads
hardy spear
or two
high island
Might be the easiest tbh. Summons can sometimes catch you off-guard if you didn't see them spawn off-screen. Wavemaker and Ranged Lernie basically have area denial that can get you. Melee you can just kite around the room and get close to bait out a slam occasionally when you want to cross to the other side or just get some breathing room by keeping it busy.
latent moon
straight up used meg on lernie because i didn't want to deal with it anymore earlier today
hardy spear
straight up used meg on lernie because i didn't want to deal with it anymore ear...
i do that quite often in last vulnerability phase when im low
latent moon
Might be the easiest tbh. Summons can sometimes catch you off-guard if you didn'...
trans lernie also has area denial with falling debris and head slam stun lock
latent moon
im in tart, do i take aphro/dem trial or erebus heart
is this high heat beo
latent moon
cringe i took cp2
warm nimbus
cp2 unbased
high island
Trial for boons.
warm nimbus
means id have to take dc
latent moon
dc1 is chill
warm nimbus
Trial for boons.
ooh good point
hardy spear
ngl you dont have to look into it that deep for 32 heat
latent moon
why not pom
warm nimbus
i have a pom in cast already with 2 pommables
warm nimbus
decent chance for chill applier with dem
carmine wraith
Man cluster rocket really is just a guaranteed win lol
latent moon
yeah lmao i'd take trial
warm nimbus
frost strike pog
hardy spear
youd be better of looking for other places in gameplay where you can improve
high island
Yeah but not every run has deflect. Not saying that summons spawn off-screen a lot but it def can happen and then you're caught off-guard when you move there and suddenly a Bone-Raker stunlocks you.
latent moon
yeah i figured you took dem first
warm nimbus
but it was speeder cloner louts in a trappy room
latent moon
oh that's just unfortunate
hardy spear
dem trial sucks in tiny rooms
latent moon
dem trial sucks in general tbh
latent moon
mid
high island
Unlike melee Lernie being entirely predictable and easily baited.
latent moon
the special at lvl 2 does like 63 damage or something so it's something i guess
but also bleh
latent moon
im gonna be honset im very disappointed with rama btw
you dont like one shotting rooms?
warm nimbus
luci really likes levels, just like eris
latent moon
or instsaphasing bosses?
warm nimbus
but without triple bomb luci doesnt really do that much damage
latent moon
oh i just got reminded that i forgot to use meg on dad fight
bronze forge
you dont like one shotting rooms?
idk the build up was too slow
latent moon
oops
bronze forge
i can never charge it up to flash
latent moon
idk the build up was too slow
dash striking helps
bronze forge
still
hardy spear
idk the build up was too slow
are you dashstriking
hardy spear
you dont need to charge it to max every time
latent moon
also part of learning rama is knowing when to let the atk go off
latent moon
better to get a half-assed atk off before you get hit than no atk
also some of the smaller enemies dont need a full charge like the purple crystal beam thingies and numbskulls in tart
latent moon
and depending on your first hammer, you can like half charge kill a thug if you have twin/triple
warm nimbus
yeah you dont need to powershot on rama all the time
although the damage difference is massive
way more than on zag bow
latent moon
part of learning rama is knowing when to perfect shot basically
warm nimbus
so err on the side of powershotting if you dont know
latent moon
jolted no?
warm nimbus
on zag bow its 40 for full charge 50 for powershot
latent moon
if you want you can roll for smair but i wouldn't tbh
warm nimbus
on rama its 80 for full charge 125 for powershot
latent moon
wait bruh that's more than 50% more
warm nimbus
so 25% vs 56%
high island
Def Jolted.
brisk trail
is it wrong of me to hate asphodel more than styx
high island
Lightning Strike Malphon without Jolted kinda sad.
high island
is it wrong of me to hate asphodel more than styx
Why not love both. 
brisk trail
ong
latent moon
is it wrong of me to hate asphodel more than styx
i hate aspho more than styx tbh
high island
Styx is 5-sack and you time out.
latent moon
enemies are more annoying because they're so jumpy
high island
I like both.
latent moon
equally?
high island
In their own way.
hardy spear
high island
Styx sack RNG and TD3 is kinda unfortunate balancing for high heat. I don't like that part.
warm nimbus
maybe i need to stop taking aphro trials
brisk trail
literally the only part about styx i hate is satyrs
latent moon
maybe i need to stop taking aphro trials
maybe just dont take trials
warm nimbus
it had dem though
high island
But what I like the least is the difficulty rating of certain unarmored enemies in Elysium that tend to spawn infinitely because of it, Chariots, and Flame Wheels.
warm nimbus
chariots are so good though
high island
Too many situations in which Chariots and Flame Wheels will just do unavoidable damage to you.
warm nimbus
they have a really high difficulty rating dont they
warm nimbus
yeah that is true i suppose
but speed >> heat anyways so overall i think theyre great
brisk trail
dashing wallop and explosive return
hardy spear
but cshot removes mobility
warm nimbus
pog
warm nimbus
forgot you cant take ambrosia on pash flare
brisk trail
dashing flight or empowering flight, whats gonna get me more damage
warm nimbus
what aspect
brisk trail
chaos
warm nimbus
whats the third option
brisk trail
dashing wallop
warm nimbus
dashing wallop is probably more damage
im not sure if dashing flight or empowering flight apply to the extra shields
brisk trail
im good enough at the game to kill stuff but not good enough to know whats good 💀
latent moon
im not sure if dashing flight or empowering flight apply to the extra shields
Considering explosive return don't, I doubt the other ones do
latent moon
Triple jab
carmine wraith
Are there any prophecies or anything tied to maxing all keepsakes?
latent moon
Steam achievement
carmine wraith
So useless got it
warm nimbus
damn that run was going well and then i got splittered
latent moon
Get splittered nerd
rustic vale
So useless got it
completionism
brisk trail
Getting hit with all of the splitter balls at once:
carmine wraith
idk how im ever going to play gun again after two cluster rocket runs
damage will be nowhere to be seen if i dont hit it again 
rustic vale
idk how im ever going to play gun again after two cluster rocket runs
play spreadfire zagrail for funny
carmine wraith
nah sea storm lucifer
hollow thunder
Any tips for getting past Ornstein and Smough consistently?
For me, my runs have a good 60% chance to just die when I reach them
latent moon
Whomst
latent moon
Ah
Fight near the sides and try to keep a pillar between you and Theseus while you focus down the bull
When bull charges you try to lead him into a pillar or wall
Be mindful of the spear throws, there's a sound and visual indicator for it
When Theseus does his god call at half hp, you can focus him down during that time because he isn't shielded
When Theseus does his attacks, you generally have time for 2 or 3 hits (depending on weapon) before he turns to face you again
Entering aspho?
Prob Dio aid
Unless you want to reroll and get rid of one of the others
latent moon
do you really think you're gonna get it
the only time i've seen hermes legendary was with legacy, yarn, and plume
i guess you can disregard plume because it filled a prereq same as auto reload
but iirc hermes legendary has a much lower drop rate
high island
Heart Rend Nemesis works better with Heartbreak Flourish + Deadly Strike.
Heartbreak Strike start is more Smair route.
Rolling and purging Auto Reload sounds good tbh.
Yeah, but with Heart Rend, higher crit chance is even better.
latent moon
the idea with heart rend is that you crit more often for more damage
rather than criting less often but having more consistent damage
imo it doesn't particularly matter for 32 heat tho
high island
Not that Heartbreak Strike start into Heart Rend can't be good. Just you'd look for Smair first since that's better.
latent moon
ddash opening parting shot kinda sucks tho ngl
strong hearth
I call them Ornstein and Smough as a joke
They're almost exactly the same fight tbh
high island
Ideally you get one in Tartarus and the other in Asphodel and get both Smair and Heart Rend.
strong hearth
I always go for ornstein first tho, I am utterly incapable of fighting phase 2 ornstein
Its the opposite with hades, I always go for the bull first
toxic trellis
I’m so close to getting max affinity with all characters
All I have left is Dusa, Aphrodite, Hermes, and Eurydice
I have the plume maxed out, I’m waiting for the final interaction with Dusa to make her bond official, and Eurydice is just a matter of getting her alone in her chamber without Orpheus
After that, I’m done
Not with the game as a whole, of course, just this one part
high island
Nice! 
carmine wraith
Dang I don't even wanna think about affinity grind lol
bronze forge
what kinda music do you guys listen to while playing
the ingame
or spotify or something
or youtube
toxic trellis
In game, of course
Darren Korb didn’t put his entire being into that soundtrack just for it to be replaced
strong hearth
Always respect the ost no matter the game
rustic vale
I listen to whatever I feel like at the moment
Hades
People I’m talking to
Youtube
Netflix
Nothing
raw herald
True shot
rustic vale
True shot
rustic vale
Fills out a core
bronze forge
why does that matter
rustic vale
Because otherwise you’re basically playing with ap1 on every time you pick up a boon
rustic vale
Tbh I would hold out for zeus call
bronze forge
are 75 coins for 24 gemstones worth it
rustic vale
if you need gemstones
Iirc the purchase should be affected by any +gemstone% boons you have
bronze forge
rustic vale
Rending claws
They’re all bad options
But rending claws might actually do something
bronze forge
damn
rustic vale
Also idk how concentrated knuckle works on gilga
Since it’s standing strike combo takes forever
bronze forge
raw herald
True shot
raw herald
Gilgamesh dash strike does 20 damage so +% buffs on it aren’t good
bronze forge
wait so how would you pbuild gilga
raw herald
Either a merciful end build or tidal dash + flat damage on attack
bronze forge
whats merciful end
high island
But rending claws might actually do something
Rending Claws is one of the best Gilgamesh hammers, I think.
visual grove
I “beat” hades… now what? Do I just keep going?
bronze forge
the story is far from over
glacial drift
I “beat” hades… now what? Do I just keep going? <:dusa:522248771409543188>
The ride never ends
rustic vale
I “beat” hades… now what? Do I just keep going? <:dusa:522248771409543188>
You just finished the first 10% of the tutorial
visual grove
You just finished the first 10% of the tutorial
I’m sorry?
rustic vale
I’m sorry? <:dusa:522248771409543188>
You’re forgiven
visual grove
When will I be ready for the next game?
glacial drift
you completed 10% of the first part of the story
visual grove
you completed 10% of the first part of the story <:dusa:522248771409543188>
Welp
rustic vale
I hit 500 runs last night lol I thought I was way closer to 420 then I am
high island
I “beat” hades… now what? Do I just keep going? <:dusa:522248771409543188>
Time to go get killed again.
high island
I hit 500 runs last night lol I thought I was way closer to 420 then I am
500 runs???
That's cute.
Newbie numbers.
rustic vale
Newbie numbers.
I know
visual grove
Oh boy what did I get myself into
high island
Only the gamingesr of gaming.
high island
My backlog is now crying in the corner
What backlog? There is no backlog. There is only Hades.
glacial drift
My backlog is now crying in the corner
It'll only take 9 more clears to finish the story and then a lot more than that to reach the epilogue
high island
Total playtime to finish the story + epilogue should be pretty similar to your typical JRPG, on average.
rustic vale
It'll only take 9 more clears to finish the story ~~and then a lot more than tha...
“Finish the story”
glacial drift
visual grove
Total playtime to finish the story + epilogue should be pretty similar to your t...
Well I’ve never played a JRPG… was gonna start ff7r but uhh… Hades
FF7R counts as a JRPG right?
glacial drift
Newbie numbers.
How many have you done?
bronze forge
i feel like i dont benefit from flurry fury achilles
high island
Idk I have like 1.3k hours in the game.
rustic vale
i feel like i dont benefit from flurry fury achilles
Flurry fury?
high island
FF7R counts as a JRPG right?
Yes. Should be like 80-100 hours to 100% the game.
visual grove
Flurry fury?
Furry flu?
bronze forge
jab
rustic vale
Flurry jab should be noticeable
visual grove
Yes. Should be like 80-100 hours to 100% the game.
Well
high island
But runs are short enough that you can just pick it up and play whenever.
bronze forge
if im trying to dash strike
high island
at least 2500 im guessing?
¯_(ツ)_/¯
I have multiple saves, one save file that I split at some point (one for unmodded and one for modded), lots of resets that don't really count as runs... So couldn't really give you a number.
raw herald
Id guess i have around 3500
high island
If we assume 30min RTA average for a completed run, it would be about 2.6k runs, I guess?
carmine wraith
idk how im ever going to play gun again after two cluster rocket runs
Yep, next run I get flurry triple special and it's an extremely scuffed run
ofc when I reroll hammers it takes triple special instead of flurry :))) so now I have flurry explosive hazard on hades
rustic vale
[insert advocacy for rng manipulating anvil here]
latent moon
man i only have 343 hours lmao
rustic vale
200 hours 8000000 runs
carmine wraith
luckily hades can still be face rolled with 3 DD lol
latent moon
200 hours 8000000 runs
612 runs, maybe like 30 of them are resets lmao
bronze forge
whats the best sword
latent moon
nemesis
rustic vale
on nemesis
This is just sword in general but https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1026590427916275783/1059295975472103465/Sword_Hammer_Tierlist.png
latent moon
Hmm strong drink or premium vintage? only on like encounter 5
what boons do you have
if the random pom has a chance at going somewhere useful i'd take it, but otherwise strong drink for late game scaling
rustic vale
If it could hit hangover
brisk trail
This is just sword in general but https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1026590...
excuse me, shadow slash is actually really good, especially with arthur
rustic vale
excuse me, shadow slash is actually really good, especially with arthur
It’s only good on arthur and even then it’s mid at best
brisk trail
its the best arthur hammer
rustic vale
I didn’t think to make a (only good on arthur) hammer tier
Dedge > shadow slash on arthur gang
brisk trail
false
rustic vale
I like consistent damage over having to potentially hit a backstab on a slash that takes approximately 6 years to pop off
carmine wraith
Heroic side hustle in chamber 22 oh baby
latent moon
eury moment
carmine wraith
and epic deadly flourish with two chaos special boosts
latent moon
the 57 arthur run uses dedge iirc but that might just be because of ap2 lmao
latent moon
well unmodded arthur 57
dedge
i'll have to look for modded high heat
i do know amb prefers dedge over shadow tho
wild dagger
just gave charon 1 ambrosia
latent moon
when she did it at 50
wild dagger
what does that little thing he gave me do
rustic vale
what does that little thing he gave me do
The chibi is cosmetic
wild dagger
do they do anything ?
rustic vale
“Is cosmetic”
wild dagger
i see
rustic vale
Moral support
latent moon
angel took shadow at 54 modded
rustic vale
angel took shadow at 54 modded
Cringe
latent moon
i mean just skipping through tart, and it seems like she's actually fishing for backstabs
rustic vale
Bruh
latent moon
i mean if you're talented enough it's probably more consistent
holy hell angel did an aspho erebus with arthur and beat it
there was an ely archer and a ton of spreaders
rustic vale
Angle built better
latent moon
aight by the looks of it
shadow is probably better than dedge if you actually want to go for backstabs and can actually get them
otherwise dedge for just ease of use
brisk trail
shadow 💪
latent moon
i just dont bother using arthur so i dont use shadow slash lmao
rustic vale
aight by the looks of it
shadow is probably better than dedge if you actually wa...
Guess I’m remaking the tier list with
[Arthur Only] Shadow slash
I should’ve had it that way from the beginning tbh
rustic vale
shadow 💪
Hecate, your wish is granted, shadow slash is being bumped up into an arthur only category
rustic vale
Shackle my beloved
brisk trail
is shackle the play for hestia 50 heat
rustic vale
idk
I know nem starts with it for speed and high heat occasionally
latent moon
is shackle the play for hestia 50 heat
I'd reset for epic Aphrodite atk start because of modded
But otherwise no clue
I'd assume just take Aphrodite because you need the keepsake open for acorn/tooth in late game
brisk trail
rustic vale
Obviously zeus strike is the play for high heat hesti
latent moon
True
tired karma
Who is most likely to be vegan from hades chars
tired karma
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/890684724681523291/1054127156109779094/...
Arthur for high heat is dope
Even with DC2
brisk trail
dc is the last thing you take on arthur
tired karma
Nah
It's free heat
brisk trail
Who is most likely to be vegan from hades chars
I would Imagine Hypnos Would try to be
high island
Lady Aphrodite.
flat remnant
there's no way Aphrodite would be vegan, she's a man eater ;))
formal jacinth
Who is most likely to be vegan from hades chars
Master Chaos is probably the only one that doesn’t use wool or leather clothing. And maybe doesn’t need to eat?
high island
strong hearth
Zagreus tbh would be one of those vegan bodybuilders
The gyros he heals with don't have mutton its decided now
As for killing the rats in styx: its not animal exploitation if they respawn infinitely
signal river
When did you make your first successful escape attempt
old dawn
escape dad
high island
First clear was attempt #23.
gray apex
Mine was 15 I think
gray apex
my pb is closer
high island
That's less important, I've decided.
signal river
First clear was attempt #23.
Ah we are both close I was also at 21-23
signal river
no successful attempts yet
Takes time
high island
When was your first WR?
brisk trail
Takes time
lmao true
signal river
What is the most fun way of clearing the game?
brisk trail
by clearing it
brisk trail
noice
high island
You're guaranteed to see 2 hammers a run.
signal river
You're guaranteed to see 2 hammers a run.
Oh ok
But you are not guaranteed to meet sisyphus or some other people right?
high island
Right.
signal river
The chance to get one specific fury (meg or her sisters) is also completely random right?
signal river
i shouldnt text here or my story might get spoiled
Yeah
high island
i shouldnt text here or my story might get spoiled
Stick to #h1-for-new-players to avoid spoilers.
high island
The chance to get one specific fury (meg or her sisters) is also completely rand...
Right.
willow wedge
Is it worth pomming zeus attack w Eris?
raw herald
Not over tidal dash or jolted until both of those are level 4/5
willow wedge
yall ever roll for rarity
raw herald
Very rarely
willow wedge
never works out lol
raw herald
On beowulf I never do
high island
If you're willing to reset bad runs, might as well try your luck rolling for rarity at times.
tired karma
yall ever roll for rarity<:bouldy:523329116934635534>
Always
And lose all my rolls by room 3/4
full lynx
Hermes typically has a grudge vs me for some reason so I never tempt fate and just take common rush delivery
raw herald
or common RD
Don’t do this
Even aphro attack I would reroll, I’d just take another boon and pick up an attack later
full lynx
I wish you could reroll hammers
Also, should you ever reroll pom options? I do it on occasion usually when I want a pom in my cast but Im not sure how smart it is
high island
We already get plenty of consistency in our runs for a roguelike without the ability to reroll hammers.
high island
Also, should you ever reroll pom options? I do it on occasion usually when I wan...
Yeah. Rerolling poms can be good.
full lynx
Cool
high island
Poms can be one of the best ways to scale your damage. Especially in Cast builds, as you implied.
raw herald
Best to avoid taking junk boons on hera/Beowulf to avoid having to reroll poms
full lynx
Yeah
I've learned all I really need is snow burst and crush shot and practically everything else is just a bonus
tall trench
Is dread flight a bad pick for chaos shield? I haven't gotten to using that shield yet but I just keep seeing people say it's broken or bad for it and am wondering why
raw herald
It makes the special bounce more which can be annoying if you want it to return asap
Ideally you want explosive return or charged shot on chaos shield
tall trench
But if the end goal is to have the special bouncing around, wouldn't more bounces just mean having to rush to rethrow less?
I guess I thought chaos's main appeal was having all the extra shields thrown on special, which, to me says that a longer special would be better?
raw herald
It’s less single target
high island
Only the main shield gets extra bounces.
tall trench
But only if there's multiple enemies on screen right? If there's only one target it won't do extra bounces I'd imagine
high island
And you don't want your shield to bounce around forever because then you can't use it to attack or block in that time.
It'll also not actually hit enemies with a lot of those bounces.
tall trench
Only the main shield gets extra bounces.
Okay, I didn't know that about only the main shield, and I wasn't thinking about the lack of an attack/block in the meantime either
I guess when you put all those factors together yeah it starts to make more sense
high island
So your shield is honestly just flying around, not doing too much, and you're running helplessly from the enemies with no way to attack or block.
tall trench
Does explosive return trigger for each dupe shield that gets thrown?
high island
Just main shield.
tall trench
Ah kk, but at least it won't prolong flight
high island
It's good, though.
tall trench
Yeah I find explosive return is usually a pretty safe pick with most aspects if I don't know what to go with
tall trench
Zeus is most of my shield experience so far, I wonder if it would be good for a special-focused beo (haven't tried it but I have heard its viable)
But if you're doing cast beo yeah attack hammers for sure, or anything that touches rush could be good I imagine
high island
But if you're doing cast beo yeah attack hammers for sure, or anything that touc...
Yeah, I meant Attack/Rush.
tall trench
Okay yeah, I can see where just a straight charge to double damage on something like beo heavy special would be better than explosive return, still don't know all the hammers very well for shield, thanks for the advice
high island
Triple damage, actually.
tall trench
Oh I thought it was 200%, maybe its +200%
high island
+200% base damage.
tall trench
Right on, gotcha
tall trench
I think you need guan yu unlocked as well? Otherwise its just dialogue rng
old dawn
^
jaunty sonnet
if we're talking fun, rama or arthur?
full lynx
Arthur for the simple fact that you can just absolutely BONK something
brisk trail
Arthur imo
glacial drift
Rama because chunking an entire room of enemies with one power shot is the best feeling in the world
brazen aspen
should i take epic heartbreak strike or sweet nectar? im in tartarus rn
brisk trail
what weapon
brazen aspen
hestia
tired karma
if we're talking fun, rama or arthur?
Bow is boring
brisk trail
Probably heartbreak strike.
gray apex
Yes
brazen aspen
neat
full lynx
should i take epic heartbreak strike or sweet nectar? im in tartarus rn
What was 3rd option?
brazen aspen
prolly didn't matter lol
full lynx
Honestly I would've taken sweet nectar then try for arty attack in asphodel
mint coral
Arty atk on hestia isnt that good
brazen aspen
arty atk is kinda bad on hestia
full lynx
What
brazen aspen
its either not enough dmg or overkill dmg
brazen aspen
heartbreak strike is far more consistent. arty on special w heart rend is the best combo
full lynx
I like arty a lot more
brazen aspen
it just doesn't do enough dmg or too much. the crit doesn't really matter either if you run hunter's mark
ionic minnow
Arty feels better on Hestia to me just because of critting on bosses
brazen aspen
the average dps is still lower than aphro atk
old dawn
it's memey with some chaos boosting attack damage
gray apex
Only on attack if you have a ton of global damage or chaos
old dawn
but i wouldn't go for it
ionic minnow
yeah I always take chaos
raw herald
Aphro attack is better since you can one shot things more consistently
I actually like doom attack more than arty attack when I’m already juiced up with chaos and rd
ionic minnow
Maybe better for speedrunning, but definitely not better for bosses - those 200%+ crits on the bosses are so insane on Hestia
brazen aspen
is yarn worth it w CF2
raw herald
Most damage to bosses comes from special anuway
gray apex
I dont think arty attack is better for bosses
full lynx
Imma have to try aphro attack ig
ionic minnow
I dont think arty attack is better for bosses
It's those massive crits that make up for it
raw herald
I’ve had fights where I don’t crit at all
gray apex
Well the thing is they dont
brazen aspen
its only better DPS if you already have a bunch of % dmg increase on the atk
ionic minnow
I’ve had fights where I don’t crit at all <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
Skissue
raw herald
5:55
gray apex
It's not always the case for all weapons
brazen aspen
bc while most dmg increases is additive, crit is multiplicative
gray apex
On Rama it would be more comparable
raw herald
Or Achilles
gray apex
because Rama crits are actually massive
raw herald
Nem
gray apex
is yarn worth it w CF2
It can be if you can guarantee it hitting something worth it like Hermes or a god you really want etc
full lynx
Yeah when I go arty on attack I try to go aphro on special
Same
tall trench
Does explosive shot work with twin shot?
full lynx
Yes
tall trench
Thank you
rustic vale
When I go arty on attack I go flood flare on cast
ionic minnow
Flood flare on Hestia
full lynx
rustic vale
You literally cannot get flood flare on hestia
full lynx
Hestia with heras gimmick sound broken and I wanna play it
raw herald
It would be the best aspect in the game lol
full lynx
Ik
raw herald
Hestia is already broken in tart and aspho
brisk trail
IMO it would still be worse than shield
raw herald
Beowulf struggles too much in asphodel
brazen aspen
hestia is already top tier aspect
raw herald
But it would probably still blast elysium better
brisk trail
Consider Zeus
rustic vale
There are like 4 cases for arty attack
Nem
Zag bow
Achilles
Beo
The rest of the time aphro is better because consistency sake
gray apex
Beowulf doesnt struggle much in Aspho
brisk trail
Zeus doesn't struggle nearly as much as Beo in Aspho
gray apex
who said that
raw herald
Croven
brazen aspen
hestia in elysium T_T
gray apex
Most rooms
ionic minnow
Why would we listen to this Croven guy
raw herald
Uhh
ionic minnow
I don't struggle in aspho with beo
brazen aspen
what happens when i have 2 yarns active at the same time?
brazen aspen
do i get +2 rarity or is next 2 boons
rustic vale
Why would we listen to this Croven guy
“Why would we listen to a Hades speedrun wr holder”
🧠
mint coral
do i get +2 rarity or is next 2 boons
Next 2
ionic minnow
“Why would we listen to a Hades speedrun wr holder”
Absolutely terrible idea to listen to him. He plays at the level that less than 0.5% of the playerbase plays - his advice won't be applicable to the majority of players
brazen aspen
Probably the top Asphodel aspect
except lernie fight imo, or maybe im just bad at lernie
ionic minnow
I, a.k.a the average player, do not struggle with beo in asphodel
raw herald
Depends what you mean by struggle
If you mean “beat it without losing dds” then it doesn’t
ionic minnow
<:dusa:522248771409543188>
No, seriously, try applying advice that takes mechanical skill and muscle memory that you don't have
rustic vale
Damn
If a speedrunner told me to dash strike I wouldn’t because that only applies to the top 0.5%
gray apex
except lernie fight imo, or maybe im just bad at lernie
Hestia as an aspect is difficult to play, in boss fights it's a ton of buttons to play optimally so it's a learning curve
brazen aspen
autoaim keeps aiming at the center head when its invlunerable for some reason
ionic minnow
Their breakpoints and aspect choices will probably be different on account of knowing the layouts of each room and the mechanics of enemies perfectly
gray apex
It doesnt do that for me
ionic minnow
If a speedrunner "plays perfectly" with something, you'll probably do worse trying to replicate that than to simply use whatever you're most in tune with and have seen the most success with
raw herald
?
ionic minnow
So let's not say "Beo struggles in aspho" as a general thing just because Croven says it happens to him.
raw herald
I’m talking from a speedrunners perspective too
And I’m not just repeating crovens words without thinking, I agree with him
ionic minnow
Okay, so it applies to you and Croven and not the vast majority of the playerbase.
Noted.
raw herald
ok
full lynx
My beowulf also struggles in asphodel (its because Im bad at it)
rustic vale
I mean yeah nothing struggles when you’re just trying to complete the game at 0 heat
brazen aspen
inb4 everyone's beowulf struggles in asphodel
ionic minnow
My beowulf also struggles in asphodel (its because Im bad at it)
But then your beowulf struggles anywhere Elysium is definitely worst on beo for me
mint coral
Best beo moment is aspho fo2 without charged shot
raw herald
Armoured wavemakers are a pain on beo
Compared to hestia where you can just… kill them
full lynx
Armored wave makers are a pain just in general for me
gray apex
And I’m not just repeating crovens words without thinking, I agree with him
I think alot of people will say that without actually spending the time to improve their Aspho play
brisk trail
If a speedrunner "plays perfectly" with something, you'll probably do worse tryi...
Speedrunners play on low heat, you know that, right?
ionic minnow
Speedrunners play on low heat, you know that, right?
And?
rustic vale
Speedrunners play on what ever heat is right for the category
ionic minnow
It's still a different way of approaching the game
brisk trail
Speedrunners play on what ever heat is right for the category
Well ye but any% is what 9 heat
full lynx
Ye 9
ionic minnow
Yeah, my 9 heat runs will not play like Croven's 9 heat runs. We probably don't even use the same heat - what idiot takes FO2 at 9 heat
rustic vale
Fo2 em2 = 9 heat
brazen aspen
Yeah, my 9 heat runs will not play like Croven's 9 heat runs. We probably don't ...
???
FO2 for speedrun
mint coral
Yeah, my 9 heat runs will not play like Croven's 9 heat runs. We probably don't ...
I take fo2 at 6
rustic vale
Yeah, my 9 heat runs will not play like Croven's 9 heat runs. We probably don't ...
Someone who cares about a free faster win
brazen aspen
croven is a speedrunner
ionic minnow
Someone who cares about a free faster win
Yes, because Hades attacking you 40% faster feels very free
rustic vale
Fo2 em2 is kind of just free by itself though
full lynx
FO2 is easy af on low heat
rustic vale
Yes, because Hades attacking you 40% faster feels very free <:bouldy:52332911693...
It does feel very free
brazen aspen
once you learn FO2, its no different from FO-zero except for chariots and minos
ionic minnow
It does feel very free
Kappa
brazen aspen
you memorize the timings...
ionic minnow
you memorize the timings...
Sounds not free to me if you have to reteach yourself the game
And literally have higher required APM
brazen aspen
reteach? you mean learn?
rustic vale
It’s not free at like 40 heat (for me at least) but it’s cheaper then every other option as well
ionic minnow
How does something that objectively requires higher Actions Per Minute "free"
It is not "free".
rustic vale
How does something that objectively requires higher Actions Per Minute "free"
Because speedrunning requires a higher apm anyways
ionic minnow
Something like TD1 is "free", because you don't change how you play
full lynx
you memorize the timings...
I don't memorize timings I kinda just face tank and it works cause the damage is high enough
ionic minnow
Something like FO2 is not "free" because you need to change how you play
brazen aspen
i never said it was free lol. i said it was normal for speedrunners to take it
ionic minnow
Someone who cares about a free faster win
Shackle said it was free
rustic vale
Shackle said it was free
Because it is
full lynx
FO2 is very free
ionic minnow
And I take great issue with calling FO2 free, when it objectively requires higher APM and a play adjustment while something like TD1 or, hell, even Calisthenics program doesn't exactly take a play adjustment at all
brazen aspen
do 20 runs on FO2 and going back to FO-zero will be as hard as going from FO-zero to FO2
rustic vale
CP isn’t free
brazen aspen
it just something you learn lol, that's all there is to it
ionic minnow
CP isn’t free
But you don't need to change how you play at all, while in FO2 you need to change your adjustments to the timings
CP you just do the same things you did but more because they have more health
raw herald
You need to adjust breakpoints
ionic minnow
FO2 you LITERALLY change what you do
raw herald
It’s quite jarring if you’re used to them
glacial drift
What would be a good way to get used to FO2, even
raw herald
Use it
glacial drift
Do 6 heat runs until it feels natural?
ionic minnow
What would be a good way to get used to FO2, even
Paya, is FO2 free?
rustic vale
FO2 you LITERALLY change what you do
And then you never turn it off againn
mint coral
Do runs with it
brazen aspen
What would be a good way to get used to FO2, even
play more FO2 lol
full lynx
Play it a bunch
brazen aspen
it gets easier the more you play it, and eventually, it becomes natural.
ionic minnow
it gets easier the more you play it, and eventually, it becomes natural.
Oh, so - not free!
brazen aspen
again. i never said it was free.
rustic vale
Like yeah it’s not completely free at high heat but it’s still the cheaper option compared to all the other crap
ionic minnow
Yeah, I'm glad you agree shackle is wrong here
full lynx
I don't remember what FO0 feels like
brazen aspen
this argument is pointless.
ionic minnow
Because fundamentally something like FO2 is not free considering you have to learn it
and actually adjust your playstyle
dull niche
by "free" ppl just generally mean you can adapt to it and at a certain point it never bothers you. something like AP, RI, or even BP2 will p much always have potential to screw you over no matter how good you get at adapting to it
ionic minnow
As opposed to something like TD1 where you literally don't change your play at all
outer comet
I feel like this discussion isn't very constructive
rustic vale
It’s beneficial to learn and use it
manic kraken
Does cp affect bosses?
rustic vale
Does cp affect bosses?
Yes
raw herald
Yes
dull niche
its not that deep, dont need to look too far into it
ionic minnow
Well, maybe we should stop calling things "free" when they objectively statistically aren't
prisma wind
I don't think this is a productive conversation and I encourage you all to move on, please
ionic minnow
🙂
rustic vale
CP isn’t something that playing the game more will just negate
full lynx
FO2 is
ionic minnow
CP isn’t something that playing the game more will just negate
Neither is FO2. Now let's move on like the mod said.
brisk trail
Lovely weather we're having at 7:48 in the underworld today
full lynx
Forecast shows fire, fire and more fire
brisk trail
Perfect temperature for a dip in the river Lethe so I can forget how i just lost my winstreak.
rustic vale
I was about to say something about timezones given how it is xx.48 but then remembered
brisk trail
Oh yeah, that was actually perfect timing for that message lol
It unironically was 7:48 for someone
full lynx
I wonder what lethe water tastes like
rustic vale
I would tell you how styx water taste but…
full lynx
I don't think styx water would taste very good
Like that stuff is red, thats a sure sign its not very healthy
rustic vale
Given how many fish live in it it’s probably fine
full lynx
Fish live in the ocean, you gonna drink that
full lynx
LMAO
mint coral
Amazing
rustic vale
If it ever happens I’m always spamming the dash button for when it cuts back in
mint coral
My worsts deaths are still in aspho tbh
brazen aspen
HS is the worst condition D:
mint coral
First time reaching aspho end shop i missed the dash towards the boat and died
rustic vale
HS is pretty bad
mint coral
Then first time reaching aspho on 40 heat i got fish'd
mint coral
Ye
rustic vale
So it’s something avoided till higher heats
rustic vale
My worst death is probably when I got hit by a thwomp the second I finished dashing the other day
I had like perfect rng
brazen aspen
https://youtu.be/7DDfLkiezW8 this is probably my worst death
????
rustic vale
until that room
brazen aspen
i thought the traps deactivated
gray apex
There's a very small window before they deactivate
brazen aspen
dang unlucky
raw herald
Lmaoooo
gray apex
good ol' speedrunning 50 heat days
mint coral
https://youtu.be/7DDfLkiezW8 this is probably my worst death
Poseidon issue
rustic vale
This is why Poseidon is top 9 calls
mint coral
Of all the calls in the game, Ares call is sure one of them
rustic vale
Poseidon and Ares are top 9 calls fr
brazen aspen
in tart shop, do i buy hermes bc hermes or a random bag boon bc i need to a boon to purge. my other 2 are heartbreak strike and tdash which i really don't want to purge
gray apex
Poseidon call is quite good in all fairness
gray apex
in tart shop, do i buy hermes bc hermes or a random bag boon bc i need to a boon...
Well if you buy the Hermes you'll have to sell him so buy the bag
brazen aspen
ok, here's to hoping zeus doesn't enter my god pool
gray apex
Pray it's sweet nectar
rustic vale
Why would zeus be bad there
brazen aspen
zeus isn't good on hesty
mint coral
Call moment
rustic vale
Zeus call since you’ve got heartbreak strike
gray apex
It's good ye
brazen aspen
i should never be that close to an enemy on hesty O_O
gray apex
Well you have tidal dash
mint coral
Tidal dash
brazen aspen
that's true, but tdash pushes them back and kinda stunlocks
rustic vale
i should never be that close to an enemy on hesty O_O
Tidal dash 🤨
brazen aspen
if i can oneshot an enemy, obv i'll dash all over them
rustic vale
Alternatively get zeus on cast and pick up a defensive call
brazen aspen
zeus just isn't good on hesty lol
brazen aspen
aside from aphro pos arty, i think the best gods are dio and ares
raw herald
He’s better on hesty than on beo
brazen aspen
demeter and zeus are incredibly meh
rustic vale
What are dio and ares giving you on hesty?
raw herald
My ideal hesty pool is Poseidon arty aphro Zeus prob
brazen aspen
dio mainly for exlclusive access and aid
raw herald
Brage, urge
brazen aspen
dio is just utility
like vintage and fountain
good on everytrhing
ares gives that sweet +100% dmg boost
rustic vale
Battle rage is like the best ares for hesty boon but doesn’t warrant forcing him in
brazen aspen
i dont' force ares, if i see him, i don't say no though
rustic vale
zeus aid is good enough for hesty to warrant forcing him in with your current pool imo
brazen aspen
i really don't like anything from zeus, i never go for smair either
raw herald
Razor shoals is cracked I stg
gray apex
Arty worth forcing for Special
raw herald
Yeah
brazen aspen
yea i start conch and then rose/arrowhead
rustic vale
with arty on special you could get R O D as well 
raw herald
I mostly force shackle asphodel tbh
brisk trail
I mostly force shackle asphodel tbh
The thing about shackle is you lose acorn
Also, I find it funny that with OlympusExtra, Hestia's attack boon is one of the worst boons you can take if not the single worst boon you can take for the Hestia aspect lol
Unlike Zeus aspect where the best thing you can take is Zeus (at least for special)
raw herald
Speedruns don’t take acorn in asphodel
Anyway the goal with shackle is for it to be used until you get a decent attack boon
latent moon
Otherwise you just keep it for the whole run because you never got anything good lmao
analog elbow
I have an observation that baffles me. Why is it that fated persuasion is preferred over fated authority all the time, not just for high-heat runs? It is my understanding that most, if not all gods require you to get multiple boons from them if you wanna get a build off the ground. While persuasion can give the option of rerolling an unlucky pool, fated authority offers more chances of seeing that god again so you are not at risk of being stuck with only one boon offering per run from the god that you want to see.
What do you do if you do not see the god again while running persuasion, do you just throw the run?
raw herald
What do you do if you do not see the god again while running persuasion, do you ...
This happens so rarely
Authority is bad because the pool of possible rewards is so large
analog elbow
idk man, i've been running persuasion for the past few days and it's been rough, about a third of the builds I try don't go my way because of this
latent moon
authority is also a time loss in speedruns
analog elbow
Are you trying to fill your god pool asap?
I am forcing gods at times because I want to go a certain build
But it's pretty often that I don't get enough boons from them, even with dark foresight, yes
raw herald
Well the earlier you fill the god pool the more likely that subsequent boons will be from desired gods
analog elbow
That's not what I find to be true sadly
You can force someone to show up, but it doesn't guarantee that they will be in your pool of gods for that run
strong ridge
it does
raw herald
Eg on beowulf I aim to have 3 or 4 different gods leaving Tartarus
timid valley
i only need 24 ambrosia to max every companion right?