its a long grind
#h1-discussion
flat bloom
north osprey
Also why does one of megs sister just screams murr murr murder
Is she ok in the head
high island
She's not a ghost, she's a Fury.
north osprey
Yeah her face does look skeleton like
high island
Is she ok in the head
Why don't you say that to her sisters and see how it goes for you. 
north osprey
Why don't you say that to her sisters and see how it goes for you. <:tizomg:4569...
I mean meg seems ok in the head a bit moody and the other one alecto the sadist also seems ok
high island
Alecto is no sadist. She's lovely and wholesome and kind.
carmine cloak
Tisiphone is very dedicated to her job ok?
high island
That's true.
carmine cloak
Where's that one build idea guide again?
carmine cloak
I think I'll go back to Zag shield for now. I'll save Zeus shield for when I need a change of pace.
high island
Just search for "build guide" in the server and you'll find it right away.
cosmic berry
bruh
i took epic heartbreak strike
it was a trade
i gave up rare deadly strike for it
i regret it sm
the dmg output is WAY lower
i can see why its a beginner build only
brazen aspen
what weapon and aspect??
cosmic berry
maxed zagreus
brazen aspen
heartbreak strike is sometimes better
cosmic berry
bow
brazen aspen
eh both should be fine, try to get hunter's mark to make up for the crit
high island
Epic Heartbreak Strike is better DPS than rare Deadly Strike lol.
brazen aspen
the enemies take way more shots than they do w hunter mark + deadly strike
do you have another source of crit?
high island
And it's not "a beginner build only".
brazen aspen
you need crit to get the crit xD
cosmic berry
and see if she wants to contest the boon with a heroic deadly strike
cosmic berry
do you have another source of crit?
zagreus bow
cosmic berry
you need crit to get the crit xD
deadly strike and maxed zag bow is 1/3 chance of crit every shot
not to mention with hunters mark thats higher
and the hammer that lets your arrows bounce to other enemies after they hit increases that chance even more
brazen aspen
well now that you have aphrodite boon, go for heartrend duo
high island
Chain Shot sucks.
cosmic berry
well now that you have aphrodite boon, go for heartrend duo
ive never done duo boons
brazen aspen
same as regular boons mostly. just have to get a bit lucky. go for aphro and arty rooms and you'll prolly get it eventually
cosmic berry
same as regular boons mostly. just have to get a bit lucky. go for aphro and art...
artemis?
high island
If you have Heartbreak Strike, you'll need True Shot or Deadly Flourish to get Heart Rend.
cosmic berry
i dont use specials though
thorny mirage
Still
thorny mirage
you should still be using it occasionally
high island
If you already have Hunter's Mark, just pick either one out of True Shot or Deadly Flourish next time you see her to unlock Heart Rend.
high island
It's not about using the Special or not, it's just for unlocking the Duo Boon in her pool.
cosmic berry
If you already have Hunter's Mark, just pick either one out of True Shot or Dead...
i dont have hunters mark
brazen aspen
or hunter's flair if you have it
high island
Take Deadly Flourish there anyway.
thorny mirage
take the special
That’s a dope exchange but if you’re chasing the duo fill the slots
cosmic berry
idk if i should chase duo
high island
Deadly Flourish will unlock Hunter's Mark and Heart Rend. You want both.
brazen aspen
idk if i should chase duo
its +150% dmg on crits
cosmic berry
this is the run where you get the free legendary
my first legendary
the fishing one
high island
Well, thankfully I have over 1.2k hours in the game, so you're free to trust me when I recommend taking the Special there.
thorny mirage
free cash
cosmic berry
free cash
no i wanna farm fishes for resources
wanna get the 500 gem upgrade out of the way
so i can just trade gems for keys
latent moon
you should still be using it occasionally
For bow you never use special unless it's rama or chiron
thorny mirage
then don’t forget to check every room!
thorny mirage
For bow you never use special unless it's rama or chiron
Mald
high island
For bow you never use special unless it's rama or chiron
There's a few niche cases in Tartarus, but yeah.
cosmic berry
Well, thankfully I have over 1.2k hours in the game, so you're free to trust me ...
ok ill choose the special
brazen aspen
it literally is less dps 
cosmic berry
deadly flourish right/
latent moon
Why poke with 10 damage from far away when you can just shoot them in the heat for 70
cosmic berry
?
brazen aspen
yes
high island
Yes. Deadly Flourish to unlock Hunter's Mark and Heart Rend in her pool.
brazen aspen
not because it's useful but because you want to fill the prerequisite for duo :p
latent moon
There's a few niche cases in Tartarus, but yeah.
What would those be
hardy spear
even if theres an bow special shaped arc of enemies infront of me id probably still just use dash strikes
high island
What would those be
Finishing off chunky enemies after a Dash-Strike that doesn't kill them off, usually just early in the biome or vs Doomstone. Dash-Strike > Special from point-blank kills faster than Dash-Strike > Dash-Strike.
latent moon
So if they're extremely low lol
hardy spear
and youve just dash striked
latent moon
Yeah
high island
The damage from point-blank isn't too bad for Tartarus. But you want to get to the point where you don't need that asap if you're speeding.
hardy spear
nah id rather keep that button as my emote hotkey
not worth unbinding for the special
cosmic berry
im not doing this run to win
im just unlocking fated list boons and getting the duo boon
also farming fishes
high island
I mean, might as well win while you're at it.
cosmic berry
can heroic boons get a higher rarirty?
high island
No.
cosmic berry
and also can legendary boons get a higher rarity?
high island
No.
cosmic berry
ok
high island
No.
hardy spear
yes
hardy spear
bronze forge
I’m back
latent moon
Hi back
thorny mirage
Hi
hardy spear
no, no youre mistaken, I'm back
thorny mirage
False
bronze forge
Bros
high island
You might be back now, but I'll be back.
thorny mirage
damm
bronze forge
It’s a good game
thorny mirage
very
high island
I am nobody's bro.
high island
I have a background in dota
My condolences.
thorny mirage
well MOBAS and Roguelikes are very similar gaming styles
bronze forge
And equal of that on YouTube
cosmic berry
would yall take greater haste or would yall take swift strike on a shotgun bow?
its triple shot point blank
hardy spear
both not amazing options but id take greater haste
thorny mirage
greater haste probably just to open up rush delivery
I don’t take swift strike unless I have like… flurry shot for the meme
Or if there’s literally nothing better
alpine thicket
favourite god to use?
alpine thicket
would yall not take a chaos gate in elysium?
i dont see why not if youre confident but I never use chaos gates because whenever I do its curse makes me play poorly
flat bloom
would yall not take a chaos gate in elysium?
i always take chaos no matter where
thorny mirage
favourite god to use?
Zoos
thorny mirage
would yall not take a chaos gate in elysium?
why not
alpine thicket
dionysus is a close second
omg me too i love your taste
thorny mirage
just a matter of skill
flat bloom
lmao fr
vital spade
I wish this game has more content
thorny mirage
well there’s a whole second game coming
vital spade
🤷♂️ doesn’t change what’s in this game
high island
would yall take greater haste or would yall take swift strike on a shotgun bow?
Again, Swift Strike doesn't do anything for bow unless you have Flurry Shot, and even then it's not very high priority.
Also would be better if you tell all three options if you need help because oftentimes when people don't mention the third one, it's actually the best option.
alpine thicket
🤷♂️ doesn’t change what’s in this game
how many runs have you done
cosmic berry
why are my boons so rare this run?
high island
Well, if it's AP1, then the third option is guaranteed to be the best.
cosmic berry
is that just something that happens the run you get the free legendary?
thorny mirage
no
alpine thicket
why are my boons so rare this run?
maybe good rng and if u have the mirror upgrades
thorny mirage
Oh no. <:tizomg:456913427588317184>
well now you can tell them randos on discord proclaim you as a top player
Checkmated atheists
thorny mirage
19% rare chance and i took the rarer boons buff from eurydice
God’s Legacy up?
alpine thicket
is that just something that happens the run you get the free legendary?
I remember the first boon of one run was from poseidon making fishing more likely by a high percent I always thought that was scripted though
thorny mirage
It is scripted
cosmic berry
I remember the first boon of one run was from poseidon making fishing more likel...
it is
thorny mirage
It’s the only boon available
alpine thicket
yh
alpine thicket
7 runs later athena gave me a legendary with like a deflect shield but thats at styx
high island
Maybe it wasn't scripted and we all just coincidentally got it.
Just because it's unlikely doesn't mean it's impossible.
cosmic berry
Maybe it wasn't scripted and we all just coincidentally got it.
the devs didnt script it, they just made it 99.9999999999999999999999999999% possible of happening
alpine thicket
Maybe it wasn't scripted and we all just coincidentally got it.
FR
high island
And what if somebody doesn't get a "scripted" event like that... is that a bug or is the bug that everybody else got it but they just didn't know?
alpine thicket
amazing luck folks
high island
What if it's a bug?
high island
Vintage.
cosmic berry
they are all VERY good
high island
Easy choice.
thorny mirage
Vintage
high island
It's a free pom, too. Or it should be if you have the upgrade yet.
Well, free pom slice since it's random what's upgraded when you pick up Nectar.
high island
+30 max HP is good either way, and it can't be pommed, so that's good for getting poms on the boons you want poms on.
high island
Sweet Nectar is great.
alpine thicket
we love nectar ❤️
cosmic berry
so now what happens now that i have my first duo boon?
thorny mirage
Nothing!
cosmic berry
i can get the duo boon upgrade on codex?
cosmic berry
yea
thorny mirage
I think that’s a house contractor thing
cosmic berry
how much does it cost
thorny mirage
not sure if you need dialogue from achilles first
alpine thicket
like 50 gemstones
alpine thicket
skill issue /j
high island
You need to get the Fated List of Minor Prophecies first.
misty kraken
i'm partly sure that you need to get the fates list first, if you havent found that
yea
cosmic berry
You need to get the Fated List of Minor Prophecies first.
i been had that
thorny mirage
Merciful End acquired
high island
Then it should be there. Maybe you just missed it.
Or maybe there's some other requirement that's not on the wiki idk.
I never really pay attention to that stuff tbh.
misty kraken
usually i just go on another run and see if when i get back it appears
cosmic berry
Merciful End acquired
merciful end?
high island
And when they added the Codex Index upgrade, I'd already bought like all the other work orders at the time.
brazen aspen
man i'm on my fastest time into styx and i get satyr sack on the very last room. fml
high island
lol it be like that sometimes.
thorny mirage
merciful end?
Duo Boon
high island
But your practice is evidently paying off.
topaz cosmos
I just love when you're going for a duo and you get that duo immediately. Got Hunting Blades as my third boon. This'll be a good run
cosmic berry
Duo Boon
lol
i just got
guys
if i have the duo boon
can i just sell the boons i didnt want but had to get for the duo boon?
thorny mirage
what’s the duo boon you have
you can sell the required boons w/out losing the duo
But the effect might become useles
bronze forge
Can you give exmaples?
cosmic berry
sweet nectar
thorny mirage
well then yeah sell off the other boons if you want
bronze forge
Damn that would suck lol
rich horizon
I've killed 14k enemies, but haven't gotten the war god's bloodlust prophecy, am I just being screwed by rng or are there more things I need to do?
yeah I've given him 6 nectar and the next heart is locked
damn ok
yeah mby,,,
i started a run w ares keepsake and immedietly got a prophecy foretold! I wish I could check what prophecy it is :( I could just die but that'd take forever and also I like this run so far
cosmic berry
i beat the game again
raw herald
take it
rustic vale
what if <:onion:534875975931134003>
Then you’re guaranteed to know what you get
brisk trail
i got 50 hp 
high island
i got 50 hp <:POGGA:752673749555216464>
Guan Yu mains: "Same."
Died to phase 3 at ~40%. 
high island
51 Heat hard.
brisk trail
are all of your 4 wins with a bow? what aspect?
brisk trail
crit based
cosmic berry
what happens if you give someone nectars all at the same time?
brisk trail
wym
raw herald
u can’t
cosmic berry
oh
brisk trail
If you mean parallelizing romances, you can do that
cosmic berry
i dont wanna do romances
brisk trail
oh yeah no for nectar its once per run or once per whenever they feel like it
Some have requirements, but those are usually for giving them ambrosia not nectar
brisk trail
Yes, simply don't give (spoilers bc I gotta say who to avoid) ||Thanatos, Megara, or Dusa|| any more nectars than you need for, like, their keepsake. once you get to a certain point, a romance starts.
Generally you're clear of romance if you just don't give any of those 3 an ambrosia
brisk trail
as long as you don't give than an ambrosia, you're just bros not gay
(imo its more fun to be 
but to each their own)
cosmic berry
so you can max the friendship out
by just giving him nectatr
just dont give him ambrosia?
brisk trail
Yes, that is my understanding, someone else can correct me if I'm wrong. All the text is not considered romantic until Ambrosia giving
brisk trail
Well, for one thing, the True Ending
cosmic berry
but u can get inf ambrosia
brisk trail
Getting the True Ending requires that you give an ambrosia to ||6 out of 9 of the olympian gods||
cosmic berry
do they need to be max hearted?
brisk trail
You must do this after getting Credits
brisk trail
do they need to be max hearted?
yes
brisk trail
Yes, and there's still more-
When you give your first ambrosia to each of the characters - the 3 romance ones and then 3 others (Skelly, Sisyphus, and Achilles) - they give you something called a Cthonic Companion
These are things you can bring in addition to keepsakes
And you upgrade your Cthonic Companions with Ambrosia directly
In addition to them requiring ambrosia to unlock
Most people agree the best Companion is Meg's
I'm mid run so the rest are locked out but as you can see I can upgrade them for 1 ambrosia each, and it costs more ambrosia to upgrade it further the higher it is
Wait, you can?
Is it when he shows up in your room and you can either ease off or go to him and have sex?
Easing off locks you out of sex?
I never knew that
cosmic berry
Most people agree the best Companion is Meg's
the fury?
and
when can i give them my first ambrosia to get the cthonic companion
brisk trail
when can i give them my first ambrosia to get the cthonic companion
As soon as you max the nectars, and some have other requirements
No, isn't getting the companion just the 1st ambrosia??
Maxing out ambrosia is just for lore and romance
brisk trail
what should i do with it
If you want a bowspect, the main question is, do you like the casts in this game?
If you really like casts, go Hera. Otherwise, go Chiron (or Rama if you've unlocked)
Chiron falls off at high heat but is really decent for casual play (and fun imo)
Hera is extremely good if you get the right cast boon with it
Rama is... hard to use, but very powerful if you use it right. Rama is a "use your brain" kind of bow.
brazen aspen
going into elysium with 0 dd's 26 heat. not sure what keepsake to equip. i'm running chiron and i already have drunken flourish, curse of vengeance, and heartbreak shot, but no duos. should i take something like ares or aphro or something more defensive?
cosmic berry
If you really like casts, go Hera. Otherwise, go Chiron (or Rama if you've unloc...
i have mainly avoided casts due to their inconvenience
brazen aspen
i'm really counting on getting elysium npc for the dd replensihment
brisk trail
i have mainly avoided casts due to their inconvenience
Then honestly Hera probably isn't for you, no matter how good people insist it is (S-tier)
I'd, from the heart, recommend trying out Chiron
brazen aspen
i think if you don't like casts, and then play hera, you will later like casts.
cosmic berry
is it true hera is the best aspect?
brazen aspen
there is no best
cosmic berry
so
brisk trail
Hera or Rama, it's a toss up. I think Hera is better for speedruns but Rama has a higher heat record
Don't quote me on that
cosmic berry
should i invest in hera or chiron?
brazen aspen
its pretty good though, but its a bit clunky to use, and has a high skill ceiling
i recommend chiron for beginners, its really fun and a bit op
brisk trail
should i invest in hera or chiron?
My opinion is Chiron
brazen aspen
there's a couple cool builds that shine w it
brisk trail
2 cool Chiron tips: Either A. Getting Aphro attack and Artemis special then getting Heart rend or B. Literally just getting dio on special, and then getting whatever you want on attack, probably a nice % boon, Aphro anyway why not
brisk trail
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/753360819479380171/1057853907835035689/...
bad influence, easy
It sounds so appealing but is honestly kind of a new-player trap in that it has generally bad uptime even when you're trying
cosmic berry
2 cool Chiron tips: Either A. Getting Aphro attack and Artemis special then gett...
so start with aphrodite?
keepsake
brisk trail
Usually that's the play, it's harder to say on Chiron, because most of your DPS will actually come from your Special, I'd actually recommend prioritizing your special boon on Chiron
cosmic berry
ok so
brisk trail
Generally you want to boon first where most of your damage will be coming from
brazen aspen
i like to start chiron on pos or dio
brisk trail
Artemis keepsake or Dio keepsake, your choice. You can get mad DoTs with Dio, and you can get sick Heart Rend crits with Artemis
brazen aspen
your goal at the end is to have as many of these as you can:
- drunken flurry
- tidal dash
- curse of vengeance
- heartbreak strike
- curse of nausea
- weak tolerance
- maybe exclusive access
- whatever artemis boons you find
kinda in that orderish
brisk trail
does it affect elysium THAT much?
Bosses have more health, Mino has a death spin you need to gtfo from or die, and also it affects the miniboss Asterius room makes it harder so good luck
brazen aspen
brisk trail
That said, EM3 only changes a few rooms in your whole run, so it's overall not as hard as some other ones
brazen aspen
greatest reflex?
cosmic berry
Bosses have more health, Mino has a death spin you need to gtfo from or die, and...
instant death?
brisk trail
greatest reflex?
always greatest reflex
brisk trail
I can't think of a better boon for Hermes to offer than greatest reflex tbh. Maybe rushed delivery but only if you have prereq boons for it
brazen aspen
i would take the gold boon if its early on personally
high island
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/753360819479380171/1057854990795939930/im...
Hyper Sprint.
brisk trail
Yeah, obol is one of those things that's hard to rank as power, but I do notice the coin can get a lot of value especially in Styx
brisk trail
Hyper Sprint.
Over greatest reflex?
grizzled cedar
I finally romanced Thanatos
brisk trail
Hyper Sprint unlocks Rush Delivery.
Oh, I see, your point is for them to target Rush Delivery
high island
That's the meta.
grizzled cedar
So I have 3 of the chthonic pets
brazen aspen
does rush deloivery affect hangover dmg?
grizzled cedar
What are the others ?
brisk trail
That's the meta. <:tizomg:456913427588317184>
See but you don't always get rushed delivery 
cosmic berry
peopel
high island
Good rule of thumb is rare+ Greatest Reflex > Hyper Sprint > common Greatest Reflex > anything else.
cosmic berry
EM3 bull actually has an instant death move?
high island
See but you don't always get rushed delivery <a:hornetbob:678454768934322186>
Hyper Sprint still gud.
high island
EM3 bull actually has an instant death move?
No.
cosmic berry
someone just told me he has an instant death move
high island
does rush deloivery affect hangover dmg?
Yes. Global damage buff.
brazen aspen
ooh concentrated vs peircing volley?
high island
Well, they're wrong.
high island
ooh concentrated vs peircing volley?
What aspect?
brazen aspen
chiron, doing the dio thing
thorny mirage
Doesn’t piercing volley nerf range or am I high
high island
Concentrated 10/10 times.
brisk trail
someone just told me he has an instant death move
No no that was metaphorical, @high island What I was saying is to GTFO out of the spin (big EM3 beyblade) or you're practically garaunteed to die
It doesn't literally instantly kill, just big numbers and ticks very fast
thorny mirage
Oh you mean giga spin
brisk trail
yeah
thorny mirage
You’ll have iframes because chunky hits so you have time to dash out of it
brisk trail
I mean, it's just also very big... IDK, it's one of those things that's definitely doable, but by far the most dangerous part of EM3 Heroes.
thorny mirage
eh
it’s not that bad
I’d say theseus kinda sucks because he fills the screen with stuff
brisk trail
See but theseus mostly stays out of your way
brazen aspen
what are the pink eyes that spawn in high heat runs?
brisk trail
Around the walls
thorny mirage
also Asterius’s shockwaves are deceptively large
thorny mirage
what are the pink eyes that spawn in high heat runs?
?
you mean one of the special enemy perks?
brisk trail
also Asterius’s shockwaves are deceptively large
They really are, but they don't do nearly as much damage as the beyblade
Difficulty is subjective though, I guess
high island
what are the pink eyes that spawn in high heat runs?
You mean in Elysium?
brisk trail
what are the pink eyes that spawn in high heat runs?
GUESSING here but are you referring to when they have a circle around them
thorny mirage
They just
brisk trail
That's a vortex that pulls you in
brazen aspen
You mean in Elysium?
yeah
thorny mirage
Several pink eyes spawn
brisk trail
Oh do you mean Popping?
thorny mirage
One of them is the og, all the rest are fake bombs!
brisk trail
That's yeah that's Popping, they spawn a few exploding copies
high island
Popper, not Popping.
brisk trail
brisk trail
what are the pink eyes that spawn in high heat runs?
u might like this list btw https://prnt.sc/iMglficK_go5 It's Jerry9_'s guide listing out what each perk does
brazen aspen
tyy
thorny mirage
God I hate Gilgamesh
brisk trail
:(
I guess player preference is everything
Guess you can try Hera, or wait until you get GY then make Rama a thing
cosmic berry
isnt lvl 2 hera the same as max lvl hera if you have stygian soul?
brisk trail
no
I don't think so
Maybe?
Either way you want Infernal on most Hera builds, such as Crush Shot
The notable exception is Trippy Hera, which likes Stygian
brazen aspen
BRUH first time doing em3
cosmic berry
what does rama bow even do?
brazen aspen
theseus didn't damage cap at 50%???
brisk trail
what does rama bow even do?
Its complicated, honestly let me just pull up a weapon showcase or something
brazen aspen
so i assumed he had no damage cap, and then i used full aphro call and he immediatly damaged capped at like 40
brisk trail
what does rama bow even do?
So basically
When you hit an enemy with your special, which is a straight-narrow triple shot of ricochet-capable arrows, it puts a debuff on them called "shared suffering" which is represented by a golden circle symbol above them
Shared suffering makes it so that (depending on rama bow level) up to 60% of the damage you deal to one enemy with shared suffering is duplicated onto all other enemies with shared suffering
Also, your main bow shot is now slower to charge, but very thick and does a lot of damage
cosmic berry
i will just stick to zag bow then
brisk trail
Also, the shared suffering will proc itself on one target if you hit it with the main bow attack
So you should still always keep shared suffering up because you get 1.5x bow damage which is already good
Using Twin Shot, I've had bow runs where a fully charged Rama power shot does over 1k damage
It's just, it's very positioning-heavy since you want to think about "double-dipping" your shared suffering hits by using your attack to pierce enemies that each have the debuff
brisk trail
i will just stick to zag bow then
Yeah, crit is fun xD and simple
Rama is, again, very powerful when used well, but has a high skill cap and can be hard to fully exploit
brisk trail
Rama is, again, very powerful when used well, but has a high skill cap and can b...
TBH i think this statement describes all hidden aspects, except maybe gilgamesh (fsts), that one is just rough
brazen aspen
ares for curse of nasuea
drunken flurry, dio aphro duo, and a couple others
chiron stuff
all i'm missing dps wise is ares, but maybe movespeed is better?
it does
brisk trail
I somewhat disagree, mostly because there is some level of skill in pacing your (slow) hits so that they land effectively and you don't get hit in return can be challenging compared to something like Nemesis, especially if you're running FO2
brazen aspen
hermes for special speed though
brisk trail
But that said, it's definitely no Rama or GY or Lucifer when it comes to brain usage.
cosmic berry
guys
high island
Lady Aphrodite is obviously the best choice. 
brazen aspen
true, i'll go hermes though bc im slow asf rn and can't dodge
cosmic berry
how can i look at the boon collection mid boon selection screen
brisk trail
how can i look at the boon collection mid boon selection screen
press B
or whatever your boon button is
I might have rebound mine to B idk
cosmic berry
its not showing me the ones aphrodite can give and duo boons
brisk trail
Codex viewing is only outside of choices
You can't open codex in a boon choice can you?
cosmic berry
what do i need to get heart rend
brisk trail
what do i need to get heart rend
Ignore anything that says "Flare", that will be a thing for you later on a certain hidden aspect.
brazen aspen
i died to hades T_T
brisk trail
i died to hades T_T
feelsRedactedMan
brisk trail
does FO really affect hades too!?
ye it affects everything and everyone
cosmic berry
is there a better duo boon for a zag crit build than heart rend?
brisk trail
I find FO1 hades not too bad but FO2 hades takes some getting used tooo
brazen aspen
his animations are the same speed though, right?
brisk trail
reaction time and muscle memory thing
brazen aspen
he just runs faster?
brisk trail
his animations are the same speed though, right?
No, FO also makes attacks faster
I thought
brazen aspen
so the time between the white circle and teh slash is shorter?
i do dash the slash..
cosmic berry
aspect
brazen aspen
i thought that's how its suppose to go
cosmic berry
help me pls
brazen aspen
try hera ig
brisk trail
You sure you like bow? It sounds like zagbow might be your favorite bow, but it's always worth trying other things
Oh yeah, wait, why are you targeting heart rend on non-Chiron bow
I was bringing up heart rend in the situation of Chiron bow
Chiron bow
cosmic berry
so what duo boon should i get for zag bow?
cosmic berry
You *sure* you like bow? It sounds like zagbow might be your favorite bow, but i...
idk
brisk trail
Chiron totally wants heart rend tf
cosmic berry
i just like flurry shot zag bow
brisk trail
I just asked about Chiron earlier and someone said heart rend
hang on hang on let me bring up the message
brisk trail
Deadly Flourish will unlock Hunter's Mark and Heart Rend. You want both.
Nya was saying it
@brisk trail
brazen aspen
death
brazen aspen
just try it
cosmic berry
for memeh
high island
Nya was saying it
What? I wasn't even talking about Chiron there.
brisk trail
What? I wasn't even talking about Chiron there. <:tizomg:456913427588317184>
Oh I must have meant Bananas sorry
brazen aspen
is stubborn defiance better for high heat?
high island
Heart Rend and Low Tolerance are the go-to Chiron builds anyway.
Smoldering Air never hurts, of course.
high island
is stubborn defiance better for high heat?
Yes, because we run LC4 in high heat.
brisk trail
brisk trail
Heart Rend and Low Tolerance are the go-to Chiron builds anyway.
Thank you for the validation :D
tired karma
Yes
brisk trail
Aspect of Ddash was pretending Heart Rend chiron wasnt a thing :|
cosmic berry
what happens if you beat charon
brazen aspen
Yes, because we run LC4 in high heat.
LC4 ???? https://prnt.sc/ksZ7c3PVITYk
this is what i'm running
anything to change?
brisk trail
Sometimes I feel good about myself for accomplishing things, but then I remember that there's a guy in here who casually got his 11th Hades kill in victory boasting and posted it. New player, leaf and everything.
The hades kill was at 40 heat.
I don't remember asking how many attempts, but the way they were talking about it it couldn't have been more than like 10
brazen aspen
LC affects fountain too, yeah?
brisk trail
LC affects fountain too, yeah?
It affects basically everything except Guan-Yu healing
And maybe some other things I don't know about
But Guan-yu healing is a-go
tired karma
On my 7 attempt I reached hades for the first time
And defeated him right there
It's actually funny that he is the only boss I beat on my first try before my first escape
latent moon
Gamer tbh
latent moon
Sometimes I feel good about myself for accomplishing things, but then I remember...
Lmao it do be like that
Ofc some skills transfer over from other games and makes it easier
brisk trail
True, I credit the mechanical skills I do have in this game partially to Hollow Knight, and I credit the combinatorical skills (I KNOW thats not a word) to Binding of Isaac
latent moon
I got my first clear on dead cells on like run 4 or something and I feel like that's relatively fast but I don't have much to compare it to other than the fact that that roguelikes should take longer lmao
brisk trail
Hollow Knight is a great game for training reaction time. When I first started that game, even the early bosses felt "fast", but the further I progressed, I went back to those bosses at the same speed I originally fought them at and it was like time slowed down
Because my perception of time had sped up
thank you, I knew there was a real word that sounded something like that XD
latent moon
Hollow Knight is a great game for training reaction time. When I first started t...
Me going from fo2 speedrunning to fresh file lmao
And beating hades on run 4 (run 3 crashed with cshot in Styx fountain smh)
brazen aspen
bruh what makes the barge of death so difficult
cosmic berry
bruh
brazen aspen
all the stuff spawned at once
brazen aspen
try hestia rail 
cosmic berry
you need to spam reload for that though
brazen aspen
but seriously, give it a go. it's kinda weak without the titan blood but it plays really similar to zag bow
you get in the rhythm
what controls do u have? kbm?
cosmic berry
ye kbm
brazen aspen
bind atk to left and reload to right
and then just left-right dash dash left-right dash dash etc
high island
LC4 ???? https://prnt.sc/ksZ7c3PVITYk
this is what i'm running
Why not go for 32 Heat for Skelly's Prize?
If you're doing 29, might as well do 32.
Then follow this guide: #h1-high-heat-strategies message
rich horizon
any tips for em3? I've never done it before but I'm coming up on the heat level where it's probably best to do em3 instead of whatever other madness I might choose.
brazen aspen
Why not go for 32 Heat for Skelly's Prize?
i didn't konw this existed
em3 theseus is lowkey less annoying than normal xD
ty to whoever took away his spear
rich horizon
I feel lowkey sorry for asterius, he looks so ugly in his gold armour
brazen aspen
the mask 
high island
Why do you feel sorry? He's happy.
cosmic berry
I feel lowkey sorry for asterius, he looks so ugly in his gold armour
isnt asterius the bull?
rich horizon
yah
brazen aspen
love it when you get the duo boon but its locked out T_T
brazen aspen
one of the conditions
cosmic berry
i thought duo boons could only appear if you had the other boons?
rich horizon
do you expect a bull to look good?
I mean... in this game, yes
latent moon
I feel like the gold armor isn't meant to look good lmao
rich horizon
????
latent moon
I feel like it's meant to be flashy
cosmic berry
forget i said that
latent moon
Like Theseus looks wack as hell
brazen aspen
AHHH FO2 chairiots with perks is SONIC
rich horizon
forget i said that
lmao did you get automodded or what
cosmic berry
no
latent moon
AHHH FO2 chairiots with perks is SONIC
SPEEDER
cosmic berry
regret just crossed my face instantly
latent moon
Speeder slugger minichariots my beloved
rich horizon
regret just crossed my face instantly
I'm ace and also a minor, thank you for deleting.
brazen aspen
wtf when u actually want the bow things to kill you, they just dash around indefinetley
latent moon
are you doing 32 heat lmao
brazen aspen
yea
latent moon
festive
brisk trail
Can I just say one of my favorite little details in all of Hades (and it's SO small but so lovable) is the record scratch whenever you initiate the secret Charon fight - Final Expense (shop OST) is just interrupted by a record scratch and the immediate turning of Charon to you to emphasize that Charon is basically going "Bruh." Like, we were vibing up until that point, but then u messed up
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmux-s6cwls If you forgot the sound effect, skip to around 14 seconds in to appreciate it
brisk trail
oh is it rewind not scratch lol but yeah that sound xD such a perfect sound effect for the situation
rich horizon
which one's bp?
fo is forced overtime, right?
bp is the one that gives armoured enemies perks?
I'm working up to 5 heat on all weapons
I have 5 on 4 of them and 8 on one
sfhksjdfh I just did 5 on spear last run
lemme finish the hades fight, brb
achilles spear my beloved
sidenote that was a really easy hades fight, chiron bow with relentless volley <33333
rustic vale
Spears the only weapon where my heat max is 20 and not 32
rich horizon
officially sub-30 on every single weapon!
rustic vale
rich horizon
I have 5 on 4 of them and 8 on one
holy cow this was so incredibly wrong i don't know how I was this wrong
lament skiff
hiii!! :D
rich horizon
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1053536636572532766/1057881057405444106/image.png apparently I have a habit of just making up numbers and saying them confidently.
rich horizon
thank you! I tried 16 heat with it and it went... badly
lament skiff
honestly i jokingly tried to do a 64 (max heat for me) with the spear (with the aspect of guan yu i think? the one where it shrinks ur health) and died in like 9 seconds
rustic vale
It took him 2 days iirc
rich horizon
I easily lose confidence in myself so whenever I try a high heat run (high for me being 16+) I have to do a few easy runs
lament skiff
i dont think ive gone over uhh like 5 tbh 😭
i'm just trying to get all the epic rewards
i need my diamonds for house of hades decoration
rustic vale
40 heat is killing me
rich horizon
I have 12 titans blood,,,, I'm so bad at remembering to level stuff up
rustic vale
I was this close though https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/795659377755422742/1057188144262430810/IMG_2708.jpg
lament skiff
I have 12 titans blood,,,, I'm so bad at remembering to level stuff up
REALLL i have like 6 nectars because i'm storylocked for so many charatcers
rustic vale
I have like 70 nectar or something
lament skiff
my rng for those levels have been really bad lately
rustic vale
Because… I take nectar for dio poms
rich horizon
I have 7 bc I'm currently wayyyy too picky about who I give nectars to. I'm trying to invest in the gods, sysiphus, orpheus and eurydice, and patroclus and achilles.
lament skiff
i havent seen Patroclus in so long and its killing me bc i'm really close to unlocking Achilles (srry for edits i'm horrible at spelling names sobs)
rich horizon
no, I'm waiting for the epilogue
oh crap I just checked and I have sysiphus, orpheus, eurydice, patroclus, and achilles maxed out. where are their favors. bestie.
I'm working on it i promise. I have athena maxed and ares will be maxed soon, I just finished his favour
lament skiff
the only ppl i have maxed out are than, meg, Charon and Cerberus maybe?? id need to check
rich horizon
I only have bonds forged with athena and than so far
lament skiff
so valid
latent moon
I was this close though https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/79565937775542274...
Is that touch of Styx dark
latent moon
23 to enter chaos gate that i bought, i have 22 hp
would've been 3rd chaos gate in tart
upbeat fox
This game is great, only three weeks in and it's so much fun
cosmic berry
This game is great, only three weeks in and it's so much fun
have you gotten the ending yet?
rustic vale
Is that touch of Styx dark
Yes
latent moon
rip
placid remnant
Anyone know how to get dusa last bond? her and aphrodite are the last two i need
flat bloom
Anyone know how to get dusa last bond? her and aphrodite are the last two i need
what do u mean last bond?
aphrodite is just a dialogue i believe to do her favor
high island
No. You need to forge bonds with Dusa, Thanatos, and Megaera for Lady Aphrodite.
flat bloom
yea just saw that on the wiki my bad
high island
For Dusa you need to do a bunch of House Contractor upgrades for the Lounge, and then just go through a lot of Ambrosia and dialogue.
left scaffold
Hi! Does someone know: In codex entries, one portion of the text is written in bold... what is the meaning of this?
arctic oasis
has anyone bought any of the hades shirts
tired karma
Would u drop college to become a pro hades player
tired karma
I was this close though https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/79565937775542274...
U could try with death defiance next time
long marten
Hi! Does someone know: In codex entries, one portion of the text is written in b...
Probably means latest entry?
high island
Yup.
carmine cloak
Using a nonstick cast with Poseidon is pointless, no? I mean at that point I can just use Achilles instead right?
And as far as sticky casts go, Poseidon and Artemis do not appear to be very popular?
Maybe I should give phalanx shot a go?
rare crater
And as far as sticky casts go, Poseidon and Artemis do not appear to be very pop...
U mean cast w Stygian soul?
carmine cloak
No, I mean casts that are sticky.
rare crater
Oh
The ones that got struck to enemies
Well ig they dont have much base dmg compared to others like Ares, Demeter and Dio for cast focused builds ig
high island
Any Cast works on Poseidon.
carmine cloak
Isn't it just a worse Achilles for nonstick casts?
high island
I mean it's basically worse for any Cast.
rare crater
Is it not just a downgrade since Poseidon just straight up gives dmg%?
While Achilles requires you to do the spear zap
Idk
carmine cloak
Yes but the modifier for the spear zap is much greater.
high island
+150% is more than +50%. It's just a better Cast aspect.
rare crater
Ig a version for people with skill issue is appreciated by me
carmine cloak
With Poseidon you can get your bloodstones back faster and exploit exit wounds.
rare crater
R sticky casts builds actually viable?
flat bloom
exit wounds isnt a great source of dmg tho tbh
high island
All Cast builds are viable.
rare crater
As far as i can tell there is a sort of delay when the special hit the enemy
Or im just not seeing how to build it
rare crater
Imean the disloging
carmine cloak
All I'm saying is really, if I want to use Poseidon's strengths I'm better off using sticky casts no?
rare crater
I did a few runs w Poseidon, not the most but i kinda find there is a delay when you dislodge it til you can actually pick it up again
rare crater
All I'm saying is really, if I want to use Poseidon's strengths I'm better off u...
Yea ig?
That thing that gives dmg when you dislodge bloodstones looks nice
flat bloom
wut happens if u use stygian soul w poseidon aspect
rare crater
Ig you just spam your casts, special to dislodge them, pick them up and repeat
carmine cloak
If you use stygian then I don't think anything happens.
rare crater
I hardly have experiences with it, only 100 runs in the game so far, and i only tested unstickable casts builds
carmine cloak
I assume the bloodstones get dislodged all the same but they won't drop.
rare crater
They just dissapear no?
carmine cloak
So nothing happens other than you lose the boiling blood effect.
flat bloom
yep
rare crater
How many dices can we get from fated perswasion and authority?
carmine cloak
*dice
rare crater
Oh thats alot
flat bloom
yea its a ton of darkness to grind
rare crater
I found that i like authority more coz its nice for snipping duos ig
flat bloom
yeaaa
rare crater
Oh also ig this is more on the beginners question but do you get more darkness on bosses the higher your heat?
carmine cloak
Off into the sunset I suppose.
flat bloom
It seems like the amount is fixed(?)
probably
carmine cloak
Not sure why my location is important. 
rare crater
So ig ill farm with 0 heat to be fast
flat bloom
o im just casually stalking u for no particular readon
flat bloom
So ig ill farm with 0 heat to be fast
get treasure boon from poseidon
use darker thirst
and try get the chaos boon asw
rare crater
Yep i checked the wiki
Also sometimes idk but the limited offer in wreched broker trades 200 darkness for 50 gemstones
it looks funny
flat bloom
not worth
rare crater
Ig hes called wretched broker for a reason
carmine cloak
Some deals are deliberately bad. It's to make you think before you buy.
flat bloom
accurate life lesson
rare crater
Sometimes it trades 2 keys for 20 gemstones too
Just makes me wonder whats the difference
Well would be nice if someone needs gemstones ig
carmine cloak
I am very bad at killing Charon.
My language? I didn't use any bad words.
Is hate a bad word?
"Man, I hate it when my dash doesn't work the way I think it does and loses me 200 gold."
Weird.
Part of me feels like dying and starting a new run after losing an erebus gate.
high island
I assume the bloodstones get dislodged all the same but they won't drop.
Right.
high island
Oh also ig this is more on the beginners question but do you get more darkness o...
No, you don't get more Darkness for higher heat.
high island
All I'm saying is really, if I want to use Poseidon's strengths I'm better off u...
In a good Poseidon build, the dislodge only really gets use in boss fights anyway.
carmine cloak
But again, if all I use from the sword is the cast bonus what's the point?
tacit ember
lmao i just got merciful end in tartarus
high island
But again, if all I use from the sword is the cast bonus what's the point?
¯_(ツ)_/¯
carmine cloak
I would not place too much stock into tier lists.
brazen aspen
what happens when i have stubborn defiance, then take pauper's defiance
does the stubborn dfienance go off first?
carmine cloak
Ok so you want to be told how to play without thinking for yourself?
What's pauper's defiance again?
brazen aspen
chaos defiance
carmine cloak
Oh, his legendary?
The Pauper part is the curse, I get it.
I'm not sure but the easiest way to figure it out is the order.
They're used from right to left.
brazen aspen
just tested it, chaos defiance is AFTER stubborn so u can still use stubborn to heal
carmine cloak
That would make the most sense.
Interestingly if you choose Athena's defiance boons while your stubborn defiance is gone you'll get another one.
brazen aspen
a stubborn defiance?
what if u alr have stubborn defiance, do you get another dd from athea boon?
carmine cloak
No
rare crater
does the damage over time casts still maintain the damage bonus from Achilles raging rush after i consumed all the raging rush stacks?
carmine cloak
The bonus applies to the cast damage itself so it wouldn't be affected in the first place.
rare crater
oh nice
carmine cloak
I mean unless you mean like demeter beams or something.
I assume the damage bonus applies to that.
rare crater
yep i mean demeter's beams
ig its the same thing with sticky casts too?
coz i was running demeter + achilles
like should i even do attacks? or just spam casts and wait for it to refresh?
carmine cloak
Depends on if you have things to do other than cast.
If you're out of casts might as well attack.
rare crater
yep
was worrying if running out of stacks by consuming them on attacking actually also remove the stacks on my deployed casts tho
high island
does the stubborn dfienance go off first?
SD is always used first, before any other revives.
high island
does the damage over time casts still maintain the damage bonus from Achilles ra...
Yeah, they still have the bonus damage.
brisk trail
What’s best spear aspect?
strong ridge
achiles probably
rare crater
150% extra cast dmg is too good ig
brazen aspen
@high island can u help me w my build again lol
should i still take athena keepsake if i have divine dash
or should i take arty for higher chance of heartrend?
or acorn bc elysium might kill me ><
strong ridge
well do you want heartrend or more athena
high island
If you're in Elysium, take Acorn.
brazen aspen
ok thx
ahh neither of my hammers affect special :c
twin shot is still good though ig
carmine cloak
What happens if I take a god keepsake, never accept the boon and then unequip it?
strong ridge
nothing but you can’t use the keepsake anymore
carmine cloak
What I mean is does that also I mean I will not run into that god as my next boon anymore?
strong ridge
yes
carmine cloak
Even though I did equip the boon before?
high island
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/753360819479380171/1058023719722815488/...
Flurry would be safest, Twin Shot is good, though.
strong ridge
Even though I did equip the boon before?
?
brazen aspen
@high island acorn for hades?
carmine cloak
I just think it's weird to get a one time benefit from a keepsake and then lose it before you get to use it.
strong ridge
every keepsake is only active while it’s equipped
strong ridge
<@311477984886521856> acorn for hades?
if you feel like you need an extra dd
carmine cloak
every keepsake is only active while it’s equipped
... Why is it that I'm never understood well?
brazen aspen
should i buy an anvil here
neither of my hammers affect special... i really want conc volley or something
strong ridge
... Why is it that I'm never understood well?
how do you feel misunderstood
carmine cloak
Well I don't know how to explain.
It's like with the wallet. You don't just lose the money if you unequip it.
strong ridge
you still do it’s one time ability though
like a godsake
carmine cloak
If you unequip the god keepsake the one time perk won't happen it seems.
strong ridge
yes
carmine cloak
That's different from the wallet.
strong ridge
yes
a lot of the keepsakes are rather conditional however they all only do whatever when they’re equipped
carmine cloak
Except for the wallet.
strong ridge
the condition for the wallet is equipping it
brazen aspen
@high island @strong ridge i did it! i beat 32 heat!
strong ridge
yip yip horay
brazen aspen
from 14 to 32 :D
strong ridge
now from 32 to 64
brazen aspen
i thought skelly did something at 32 heat complete?
strong ridge
yes but maybe you are not there yet in the plot
brazen aspen
yes but maybe you are not there yet in the plot
oh nvm i just have to go the the bottom and inspect the clothed statues
brisk quiver
Hey any tips on unlocking the green mirror?
Is it required to play on a certain heat?
strong ridge
have you tried switching between the purple and green like you cant do that
brisk quiver
have you tried switching between the purple and green like you cant do that
Switch? How?
strong ridge
go to the mirror to the very far left there is a gray square it is a button
carmine cloak
Green? You mean yellow?
thorny mirage
Hey any tips on unlocking the green mirror?
I believe you need a dialogue trigger from Nyx
vital spade
I’ve never even lost to hades am I a pro gaymer 
I’ve fought him twice and won twice. Guess I need to turn up the heat
tacit ember
bruh hades really just did 60 dmg in one hit
vital spade
You can fight Cerberus?
brazen aspen
fresh file to credits
tacit ember
oh ok
i have another question
how does the "hugging" work in the hades fight? do you need to stand directly infront of him? i seem to be kinda inconsistent in doing that
brazen aspen
during hsi fire thing, just be directly on him
high island
<@311477984886521856> acorn for hades?
Yes. Just stick to Acorn for Elysium and Styx.
high island
<@311477984886521856> <@242508182843293696> i did it! i beat 32 heat!
Congratulations!
lament skiff
you can reroll boons????
rustic vale
U could try with death defiance next time
No
SD is my major source of healing with LC4 on
high island
https://prnt.sc/r5yZkzJw2BRS
Reroll.
strong ridge
rolla
high island
I don't really recommend taking AP1 at 40 tbh. It just hurts your Lord Hermes, Master Chaos, and hammer odds so much. Plus all the other stuff.
Can get broken builds much more easily without AP.
subtle trail
hey, I already completed dusas favor and gave her all the ambrosia, but when I go to her keepsake I cant see her icon at the top right that you see when you forge a bond with her
high island
Well, you haven't forged a bond with her yet.
manic bobcat
Talk to her again
subtle trail
There's more anime in the dusa arc
hmmm
brisk trail
Has ||nyx murdered fired Dusa yet||
manic bobcat
With a minor decision to make
subtle trail
also, Im trying to complete lady aphrodite´s favor, but Ive talked with her for like 30 runs in a row and she still hasnt talked about all of the relationships that Ive had
only about megaera
high island
Need to forge a bond with Thanatos and Dusa, too.
subtle trail
Need to forge a bond with Thanatos and Dusa, too.
ooooh
so I have to do the dusa thing first right?
subtle trail
And we just established you haven't forged a bond with Dusa yet. <:tizomg:456913...
ok
I see
high island
Which makes complete sense because Lady Aphrodite voices Dusa.
subtle trail
Which makes complete sense because Lady Aphrodite voices Dusa.
yeah lol
brazen aspen
the fo2 40 heat is not it
carmine cloak
I wonder if divine strike on Zag shield also works for a change of pace.
carmine cloak
I've been using deadly strike for a while and it's most certainly effective but like the same thing every time is a bit of a thing.
Divine strike can gain critical with artemis. And while it then is a bit rougher if I also want to heart rend, it's not impossible.
brisk trail
Hey guys I just want to give a big shoutout to my boy Charon for not raising the price of titan blood in Styx despite the new Convenience Fee policy passed by Hades, he's a real G that makes sure we can all afford our weapon upgrades despite feeling kinda hot today. https://prnt.sc/MwsjGSmPt6ZL
tired karma
Is he more G than andrew tate
ionic minnow
Is he more G than andrew tate
Andrew Tate is rampantly sexist as well as facing serious human trafficking allegations...
He's not a G
tired karma
Second part is old news
They were dropped like a month ago
carmine cloak
Is it possible to not have this conversation here?
sand dirge
What is the fundamental theorem of Andrew Tate's hairline have in relationship to Zagreus's mother?
raw herald
/slowmode 120
latent moon
Lmfao
brisk quiver
So is there a difference between using purple mirror and green mirror?
carmine cloak
What do you mean?
brisk quiver
Like purple talents and the green talent