God keepsakes in the first two regions to force your build, then Hourglass in Elysium is very strong. And Acorn helps a lot with survivability vs dad.
#h1-discussion
high island
brisk trail
I'm definitely using god boons more lately
Especially now that I actually know what is good on each weapon
primal merlin
Normal for begginers I supose.
Not that it matters now, I think, but the tooth actually restores 100 health on level 3, in case you ever think of using it on the styx temple.
sturdy nimbus
Stubborn Defiance is only really good on high heat runs
brisk trail
I'll keep it in mind
sturdy nimbus
most people wouldn't tap there so Death Defiance is just better for those situation
brisk trail
But TBH on Hades, an Acorn can equal 100 health (or more) easily
brisk trail
(provided you use it to tank spin attacks and not get them all destroyed by phase 2 lasers, then again if you still have acorn in phase 2 you already did somewhat well)
high island
Or dad did poorly.
brisk trail
truuueee. Also, what's HL? Is that EM4?
primal merlin
Stubborn Defiance is only really good on high heat runs
That makes sense. Is it good for 32 heat or just for those insanelly high runs(40/50)? Never got around to grind for it.
high island
Hard Labor.
sturdy nimbus
combine acorn and divine protection and you get the easiest run of your life
brisk trail
oh ok
high island
Enemies do more damage.
high island
Yes.
sturdy nimbus
That makes sense. Is it good for 32 heat or just for those insanelly high runs(4...
It's mostly used on 32 heat and beyond yeah
primal merlin
Ty!
sturdy nimbus
the common strat for that is to take Lasting Consequences 4, which gives you -100% of heal from all sources
so you instead heal by using Stubborn Defiance
brisk trail
-100% healing 
rustic vale
you don't have to do it that way it's just generally accepted as easy then other options
sturdy nimbus
it sounds absurdly difficult but as with most things, you'd start to get the reasoning behind it with time
rustic vale
DD "healing" still works at least right
if it didn't it would make dd and sd useless 
brisk trail
Yeah, EM3 freaked me the hell out the first time I ran it, but literally the second I internalized the really long and forgiving visual AND auditory telegraph warning about Asterieus's (mega)spin, I never struggled with it again
rustic vale
DD "healing" still works at least right
cursed slash, gy healing, centaur hearts, and sd/dd, and draining cutter still work
brisk trail
Because I had no idea the attack just destroys you, so I wasted 2 DDs the first time I EM3d
high island
If you lose your SD in the chamber and then replenish your DD with a boon from Lady Athena, you get the DD and then when you enter the next chamber, you also get your SD back like normal. So you can get up to 2 DDs from her that way + your SD.
That's something we exploit a lot at high heat.
brisk trail
Definitely didn't know that :O cool
high island
Neither did Amir until we told him in chat. 
brisk trail
cursed slash, gy healing, centaur hearts, and sd/dd, and draining cutter still w...
Wait, what is Guan-Yu healing?
rustic vale
you really only spin between waves for gy
latent moon
Do people take that over Jury Summons?
jury summons take a lot more time, and considering normal rooms are more likely to kill you (mostly bp2 and and a bit of HL) it's just a nasty combo, esp if you're running td3
and also lc4 sd gives you not a lot of hp to work with
rustic vale
js also just makes you have to avoid more enemies, especially with fo2
brisk trail
Oh yeah, I've only had to do a max of TD2 up to this point, so I haven't experienced the TD3 pressure
latent moon
so you'd much rather take HL over JS
they hit harder, but you'll get hit less probably
latent moon
Oh yeah, I've only had to do a max of TD2 up to this point, so I haven't experie...
td3 isn't that much pressure unless you have a horrid build
or dont have refined game mechanics yet
latent moon
i'd say a bit of ely too if your build isn't fully online yet
rustic vale
td3 main pressure is tartarus charon fight
brisk trail
i see
latent moon
my shackle/boonless beo runs were fine in tart, but that's just because cshot beo is busted lmfao
sturdy nimbus
it's the worst if you get one of those weird thanatos rooms where the enemy waves just keeps on coming for some reason
brisk trail
Question, are Charon and Chiron the same person
latent moon
timer pauses in than rooms
rustic vale
Question, are Charon and Chiron the same person
very much no
latent moon
chiron is a centaur
sturdy nimbus
"omg than how many wretches did you summon"
brisk trail
Oh, I never heard of Chiron, so I was thinking "cool, shopkeeper bow"
latent moon
chiron's a centaur that trains heroes
sturdy nimbus
Chiron is a centaur who is a teacher of pretty much all the major greek heroes
Heracles, Achilles, Jason, etc
brisk trail
there is literally a spelling difference
Yeah but a lot of old names/words are interchangeable
latent moon
charon gives said heroes stuff i suppose lmao
brisk trail
because of old english not translating perfectly into new english
and err... ancient greek too I guess
rustic vale
yeah but like they're consistent everywhere else with spelling
sturdy nimbus
lol wait until you get into Norse names
brisk trail
Like how there's Hanukkah and Chanukkah
rustic vale
yeah but like they're consistent everywhere else with spelling
in game
brisk trail
They're both valid spellings because we don't have a Chet (gutteral h/ch)
so I thought Chiron/Charon was another lost in translation thing
But now I know
rustic vale
tart charon fight is based because either you die and don't lose really much progress or you win and have something that'll benefit you the rest of your run
brisk trail
but how would you win, isn't he on par if not harder than hades
and he doesn't get easier if you face him in tartarus
brisk trail
I see, just git gud
latent moon
the easy answer is to just git gud yeah lmao
sturdy nimbus
it's just something you get used to
latent moon
also helps if you take deep pockets so you can make use of his shop before you go in
and yeah, he's hard because you dont fight him a lot
and he hits like a truck, but he's really telegraphed
rustic vale
as long as I'm not trying for speed or doing high heat I'll take charon in tart
brisk trail
I guess it's like how I used to almost never take chaos boons when I was a hades supernoob bc I was like "ahhh lower health scary, debuff scary!" but now I take a chaos gate just about 80% of the time I see one, the times I don't are usually either because I'm already extremely low HP (in which case it could be the difference between wasting a DD or getting to a healing item or fountain) or if I'm about to fight a boss I really don't want a debuff for (so Heroes)
So right now im like "ahh, Charon tartarus fight scary!" but I'll try it every time by the time I'm good enough
latent moon
not me using a DD to take a chaos gate and dying in the dad fight
rustic vale
Beyblade just means avoid ‘im
brisk trail
Yeah? So you just avoid him and dodge or carefully damage theseus a little
That's what I was saying. We're in full agreement.
My point was EM3 was hard to me before I realized there was a really obvious telegraph for the spin attack, hence telling me when to move away
latent moon
just be fast tbh
oh that reminds me
i need to git gudder at hestia so i can consistently do 40 heat on it
brisk trail
y-yeah, I'm not a speedrunner, so I guess that's not a concern for me
latent moon
i mean it's more of a td concern than a speedrunning concern
brisk trail
TD3 isn't tight though
latent moon
but most of the time you should have plenty of time yeah
brisk trail
I'm sure a less-than-10-second beyblade should be fine
rustic vale
oh right 5 sacks exist
Like a 3% chance or something though
latent moon
em3 does take a lot of time tho in general
beyblades, theseus running around, increased hp
having to be more careful
brisk trail
Sure, sure. I still take it for 6 heat and above though
latent moon
not like a run ender for time, but it is something to be careful of
brisk trail
I'll try to use my time efficiently, but honestly I think playing defensively still needs to be my main priority at this time
high island
em3 does take a lot of time tho in general
beyblades, theseus running around, in...
Not if you just kill them quickly.
brisk trail
I feel like the worst possible thing you can do in Hades is take damage
high island
Then it's fast.
latent moon
true
rustic vale
I feel like the worst possible thing you can do in Hades is take damage
Worst possible thing you can do in Hades is alt+f4
brisk trail
Yep, 6 heat. I take EM3 at 6 heat. I follow this guide
latent moon
I feel like the worst possible thing you can do in Hades is take damage
obv not completely wrong, but just wondering have you seen croven's latest wr run lol
brisk trail
latent moon
he takes a -hp per atk curse and just runs with it with flurry shot
it's amazing
it really is
brisk trail
he takes a -hp per atk curse and just runs with it with flurry shot
how does he not, you know, die?
latent moon
how does he not, you know, die?
it leaves you with 1 hp
so just dont get hit
or if you do
whatever
rustic vale
how does he not, you know, die?
You don’t die if you hit 1 hp with it and continue attacking
brisk trail
You don’t die if you hit 1 hp with it and continue attacking
I've never been crazy enough to try this, good to know
latent moon
thing is, at the very high end of speedrunning, you dont need hp once you hit elysium
ideally, you're one shotting everything including bosses
hell, you should be one shotting in every biome
high island
Biggest issue that newer players have isn't that they're not playing defensive enough or whatever but that their builds are awfully weak and they do no damage, and they do poor DPS rotations on top of that.
brisk trail
Yeah I do notice the difference between a good and bad build in this game is NOT like, 2x or 3x damage
latent moon
skill issue
brisk trail
It's more like 10x or 15x the damage between a bad build and a good build
latent moon
you can make any crap build with if you have hyper delivery
probably
someone can test this theory if they want
you forget hyper delivery
high island
The difference between one-shotting with Hera and not one-shotting is your bloodstones drop right away for you to pick up... or they're stuck.
latent moon
skill issue
brisk trail
Hear me out. 2-boon build you can easily kill hades with. Just simply get Epic Greatest Reflex (+3 dash) and highest rarity/pom of Tidal Dash you can get
I fell back on this during a scuffed hera bow run and it actually worked
rustic vale
there are dash only runs
True, I’ve done like atleast 24 of them
latent moon
lmfao
rustic vale
/j
brisk trail
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1044480905835712553/...
50 win streak 🤯
latent moon
50 win streak 🤯
pretty sure it's just a max save file, which starts at 50
rustic vale
Winstreak ez
brisk trail
Wait, wait, what the heck is Heart of Stone
rustic vale
Wait, wait, what the heck is Heart of Stone
Bouldy boon
brisk trail
Bouldy boon
????
latent moon
i dont think she got to that point yet
brisk trail
????????????????? Do I have to gift enough nectars to Sisyphs first?
latent moon
yeah
brisk trail
Do I also get the sissy boon?
brisk trail
So it's either healing, darkness, coin, speed, and what are the last 2?
high island
Hear me out. 2-boon build you can easily kill hades with. Just simply get Epic G...
Just do this boon build. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/782268720479207474/Hades_1177.png
brisk trail
Is it random what Bouldy gives you or do you pick like a god
brisk trail
Does bouldy have a legendary
rustic vale
Does bouldy have a legendary
No
high island
This build is also good for easily killing Hades. https://youtu.be/5H3ezPgERNo
@vast junco why did you not catch the fish, though?
winter mesa
frank torrent
eris build, got zeus attack and posideon special. just got offered flurry and spread fire, which one is better?
hazard bomb
frank torrent
hazard bomb
the one that i've been specifically told not to take with eris lmao
idk, last time i did a run with eris
dense parcel
I beat hades for the first time today
brisk trail
Artemis attack buffs do NOT pom very well, do they
high island
No.
brisk trail
because it only increases the flat % damage not the crit, and the crit is like most of the damage
high island
You get Hunter's Mark and pom that instead.
high island
I beat hades for the first time today
Congratulations! 
dense parcel
The most important boon I had during it was Artemis's call
cobalt slate
if i get persephone's keepsake before hades can i not get hades? because i don't see a open slot and i can't give him a necter
sturdy nimbus
you can still get his keepsake
cobalt slate
do i have to do another run for it? or something else
sturdy nimbus
hades' bond gets unlocked after you progress through the epilogue
cobalt slate
ok
sturdy nimbus
wait no, it's just after you talk to him at some point
after he says that he's thankful to you to bringing mom back
latent moon
gaming
lmao really
that's why you start zeus
lmao it do be like that
could sell aphro atk and take shackle
then quit and reequip lol
i mean selling zeus special is probably not too bad of an idea
but rip aoe
also rip easy small damage
pretty much what i said lmao
that's a gamble i'd be willing to take
pray for patty
sell the atk, take shackle
shackle is prob more damage rn anyways
how much gold do you have
pom
kindred onyx
sup folks 
latent moon
call or special
kindred onyx
haven't been here in over a year
latent moon
prob call
kindred onyx
i've got a question
did anyone here finish a run with max heat yet?
latent moon
no
angel almost did
she got 63 tho
64 was completed routed
idk if that was within the year you were gone tho
darkness moment
kindred onyx
damn
makes me wonder how nuts hades 2 will get
inb4 they cram in heat 100 or something
latent moon
lmao i think early access was something like that
billowing
it's a constant damage buff because of smair
it's like 33% or something right
probably
lmao
dash?
gaming
how many left
yeah i'd do it again
lmfao
aphrodite sucks
idk probably
brisk trail
I typically avoid that like the plague but its up to you
latent moon
Rama moment
cobalt slate
i got slothful defiance if i have max lives do i get another life?
rustic vale
i got slothful defiance if i have max lives do i get another life?
Yes
cobalt slate
thanks
brisk trail
Is mirage shot on beowulf still bugged so that the second cast does 100% damage as well?
latent moon
yeah that's the bugged part of mirage shot on beowulf
the second shot from mirage is 100% not 30%
they stopped updating this game a bit ago so all bugs and whatnot are still present
brisk trail
okay I was just wondering if they patched that yet bc a video from September 2021 mentioned it
latent moon
ah nah
brisk trail
So no more patches ever?
brisk trail
I guess they do have Hades 2 to make
Oh there was ONE patch in between sep 2021 and now, in feb 2022
but I guess it didn't fix beowulf xD
latent moon
the thing is with these bugs, a casual player isnt gonna notice
there's so many damage modifiers in this game that no one is gonna calc it
brisk trail
But if a casual player sees it in a youtube video and then mentions it in a discord...
vital tapir
like that’d ever happen
latent moon
i mean it takes a while for bugs to be found in a game like this
and by that point, they stopped updating the game
like the trippy flare pom bug on beo is one of them lol
vital tapir
i do wish they’d taken more time to balance the game
latent moon
oh yeah no iframes while the flares are popping is a funny one
looking at the bug list
there's like 7 or 8 beo specific ones lmfao
i'm counting mirage shot as beo specific because it only has flares
brisk trail
DAMN my epic win streak just broke
And it wasn't even with a bad build, I'm just terrible with a sword
latent moon
it do be like that
brisk trail
I literally had the ideal heart rend build
latent moon
nemesis?
brisk trail
yes
latent moon
rip it do be like that
brisk trail
I just take so much damage from being in melee
latent moon
sword is kinda pain because melee
brisk trail
And I had 0 DDs entering Hades
brisk trail
yeah x_x but also admittedly there was some room stuff going on too where I just wasn't careful enough
quiet chasm
what build should I use that isnt doom shield or chiron bow thats easy
latent moon
fair
brisk trail
what build should I use that isnt doom shield or chiron bow thats easy
There are some GREAT rail builds
brisk trail
Could also try for a merciful end run with flurry jab and divine dash or something like that
latent moon
hunting blades or lightning phalanx or meme beams achilles
granite kestrel
What’s the best shield
latent moon
i really named all the speedrunning aspects lmao
latent moon
What’s the best shield
beowulf
brisk trail
What’s the best shield
Technically Beowulf, but Zeus is close
quiet chasm
i really named all the speedrunning aspects lmao
I just want something brain dead
latent moon
if you want to go above 60 heat, zeus shield
latent moon
I just want something brain dead
hestia is brain dead if you dont optimize it
granite kestrel
Aw yeah I don’t have Beowulf yet
latent moon
reload and dash, shoot
granite kestrel
So Zeus?
brisk trail
Eris is kinda brain dead, does it take much effort to stand in giant targeting circles for free +75% dps on all abilities?
can even dash thru them as they land. But I guess it's a little effort
latent moon
Technically Beowulf, but Zeus is close
tbh it's not close at all, it's just that a very certain pact just kills it
if ri didn't exist, beo would probably be the best
dc might suck a bit tho but probably manageable
brisk trail
What is RI
vital tapir
if ri didn’t exist every aspect would have max heat
latent moon
if ri didn’t exist every aspect would have max heat
that too
well maybe not some
because cp2 js3 td3
it was probably discovered on beo tbh
and like
trippy hera cringe
says you
okay buddy
that's been established
latent moon
well gilg doesn't get that crippled by dc does it
like hestia falls off hard because of dc
vital tapir
kinda
latent moon
hera falls off because of dc and cp2
vital tapir
with foresight you can probably start w a dash for dc then reset for your actual boon p soon after
vital tapir
agreed but with full mirror it’s workable
granite kestrel
Is there a good way to use bull rush? I feel like I neglect to use it
Fair enough
latent moon
Is there a good way to use bull rush? I feel like I neglect to use it
just straight up blocking is great lmao
and bull rush to get back into the fight
granite kestrel
Oh wait it blocks while you charge it?
latent moon
yeah
granite kestrel
Ooo okay okay
cobalt slate
what would be the worst heat weapon in your opinion?
latent moon
how high heat
granite kestrel
I hear some say sword
cobalt slate
how high heat
5-15
cobalt slate
damn i still got a long way to go then
latent moon
at that point it'd probably be like gilga or something but it's still super manageable
cobalt slate
ok imma go get gilga
latent moon
lmao
cobalt slate
i main fists anyways
latent moon
gilga is a down grade from fists highkey
granite kestrel
Aw fists is my highest heat at 12. Sucks to hear they’re not good for later heat
I think fists are my fav
cobalt slate
ong
latent moon
wait shield is a great heat weapon what
lmao shield is probably the best
i mean fists work for high heat
some are just easier than others
zap or drunk fists work too for heat
oh god i forgot that's what the arena looked like
i was like "is this the donut room? how are you at lernie" lmfao
marble mesa
why won't athena give the text to give her ambrosia? a gave her enough nectar but she ain't saying it
rustic vale
why won't athena give the text to give her ambrosia? a gave her enough nectar bu...
Have you completed her favour?
brisk trail
Cerberus Collar is better than Skelly's Tooth: An essay. Cerberus collar gives 50 max HP, and Skelly's tooth makes you revive once with 100 HP assuming they're both 3 stars. However, there's this thing called Death Defiance, where you revive with 50% hp. This means you get an extra 50% of 50hp each time you use DD with the cerb collar, because the percent-based healing increases with more max HP. So, starting with the straight-up 50 health you get from equipping it, you then get 25 for each of your 3 Death Defiances, and therefore you get a total of 50 + 25 + 25 + 25 = 125 HP from Cerb Collar as opposed to 100 from Skelly tooth. In conclusion, Cerb collar is better than skelly tooth, when they're compared to each other.
Am I wrong?
rustic vale
It’s not always better
brisk trail
(also yes I know acorn is best, but the point is cerb gives you more of an hp benefit than tooth)
rustic vale
It depends on how many dds you have when you pick it up
Also just… picking up cerb or tooth in general
I don’t think I’ve grabbed either since I maxxed them
brisk trail
I kind of see it as an acorn alternative which has benefit spread throughout the level, but I know, on a fight like Hades, 5 hits will deal more than 125 damage, usually
Still, I honestly can't say I prefer spearpoint to collar, ever.
rustic vale
Without em4 you’re likely getting more value from acorn
With em4 you could get shafted because some minibosses Hades spawns are just many many hits
I would take spearpoint over collar
Styx poison is annoying
brisk trail
I would take spearpoint over collar
I'm wondering about this, because aren't most things that chain hit you (poison, lava, hades laser) relatively low damage to begin with?
Sure but I gotta say I rarely take 50 damage from poison
rustic vale
Poison can stack up if you get hit a few times in a row
brisk trail
The wells are there that cure it instantly and dash gives you iframes
cobalt slate
(also yes I know acorn is best, but the point is cerb gives you more of an hp be...
i'm still new to the game can you explain why acorn is better than tooth bc its another life + you would usually get hit more with that then the acorn
rustic vale
i'm still new to the game can you explain why acorn is better than tooth bc its ...
Acorn mitigates more damage
Especially once you start turning on hl5
brisk trail
i'm still new to the game can you explain why acorn is better than tooth bc its ...
It's not a full life, it's 100hp max, and the hits you avoid at the start of the fight will avoid more than 100hp typically
rustic vale
5 hades hits usually add up to more then 100 iirc
cobalt slate
oh alr
brisk trail
Yeah the only time I can think that it wouldn't equal around 100 or more than 100 (without boons) is if you get chain-hit by his lasers, which aren't even in the fight early
Even mitigating 2-3, forget 5, of his circle slashes will on average give you a tooth's worth of mitigation
cobalt slate
aight thanks imma try using acorn at the fight then
rustic vale
It’s just with em4 you can get shafted based on miniboss summoned so that may influence your decision if using em4 I think
cobalt slate
whats em4
brisk trail
I'll put it this way, It'll be a long time before I'm worried about EM4. It's true I go EM3 as early as 6 heat, but I don't plan on EM4 until well past 32 heat
rustic vale
Extreme measures 4
cobalt slate
oh ok
brisk trail
makes Hades significantly harder (even adds a third phase)
cobalt slate
good to know
rich horizon
rng is screwing me so hard 😭 by this point in my last playthrough I had at least one nectar on every single god but aph and zeus are just refusing to show their faces so I just have 11 nectar sitting around waiting for them
cobalt slate
btw what do you all think is the worst aspect (other then zagreus)
brisk trail
btw what do you all think is the worst aspect (other then zagreus)
of what weapon
rustic vale
Uh
cobalt slate
of what weapon
any
rustic vale
Zagreus isn’t bad on most weapons thougg
brisk trail
I can hazard an answer, but I think it will be controversial, and will be based on my opinion.
Talos.
rustic vale
btw what do you all think is the worst aspect (other then zagreus)
Why other then zagreus?
brisk trail
Demeter is the play on fists imo. Talos doesn't give much value in comparison
cobalt slate
Why other then zagreus?
bc alot of ppl say zagreus alot
rustic vale
(Most) zagreus aspects aren’t bad
cobalt slate
yea
i like talos soley for the fact i can use pull em and rubber band them with poisiden
brisk trail
I'm surprised no one has tried to say Guan Yu. I was so ready to defend Guan Yu
cobalt slate
guan Yu is good if your good
rustic vale
The only bad aspects are like
Zagreus sword
Chaos shield
Chiron
Talos
cobalt slate
whats chiron for btw
rustic vale
bow aspect
brisk trail
whats chiron for btw
2nd aspect of bow
cobalt slate
oh
high island
Chiron isn't bad.
rustic vale
The only bad aspects are like
Zagreus sword
Chaos shield
Chiron
Talos
Wait I forgot gilga
high island
Nani?
rustic vale
Chiron isn't bad.
It’s not bad it’s just you don’t use it for it’s gimmick
high island
You do though.
rich horizon
I looooove chiron sm
brisk trail
Chaos shield is bad? But if you have a zeus boo- Oh. Zeus shield is 10 million times better. That's why.
rustic vale
Nevermind me
rich horizon
as a person who cant aim sjdhfksjdf
high island
It's just not great at speedruns. But most players don't care about that.
brisk trail
Chaos shield is like... begging for a zeus boon, but Zeus shield uses the zeus boon way better. Then there's just Beowulf which is amazing.
high island
Chaos Aspect isn't bad either.
It's the worst of the shields.
But it's still shield.
brisk trail
Fair, shields in general are pretty great
marble mesa
Have you completed her favour?
favour?
rustic vale
Chaos is near aspectless shield
So good because it’s a shield not good because it’s aspect
brisk trail
Chaos is "bad" in that if you would buy that aspect, you're shooting yourself in the foot by not using TB on the better aspect(s)
Chaos is not "bad" as in you'll lose your runs per se (that's for zag sword)
cobalt slate
what boiling blood do to me btw
rustic vale
Chaos is bad in that it’s gimmick is nigh useless, not that’s it weak
rustic vale
Chaos is bad in that it’s gimmick is nigh useless, not that’s it weak
Same with zag sword(in terms of the gimmick being neglible)
rustic vale
what boiling blood do to me btw
Do you mean when you use it or when Hades hits you with it
brisk trail
what boiling blood do to me btw
Gonna need a little more clarification. What does the effect do? It makes it to where enemies take more damage after you've casted at them and they have that cute red diamond on their hp
OH when Hades hits you with it, doesn't it just remove your boiling blood ability temporarily? Or am I misinterpreting that
Is Hades casting boiling blood on ME?
mint coral
Ye
rustic vale
when Hades hits you with a skull you get boiling blooded and he does double damage
brisk trail
So YOU take more damage oohhhhhh
How did I never notice that
I thought the circle slash just sometimes hit me for like 60-80 and that was normal
and random
Now everything makes sense
mint coral
Cuz you nevee get hit with boiling blood /j
high island
If you go by ease of clearing up to like 32, I would say the worst aspects are all of Malphon and all of Stygius except for Excalibur.
cobalt slate
Do you mean when you use it or when Hades hits you with it
when he hits me with it also how do i use it?
cobalt slate
when Hades hits you with a skull you get boiling blooded and he does double dama...
oh ok
sorry for not answering btw i was fighting him
high island
Zag Spear too.
brisk trail
If you go by ease of clearing up to like 32, I would say the worst aspects are a...
This is some hardcore unintentional validation for me. I feel so so weak with fists and sword compared to other things (that said, I also struggle with bow, and people say it's the 3rd best weapon so I guess im still getting good there)
rustic vale
when he hits me with it also how do i use it?
When you imbed someone with your cast, you deal +50% additive with your attack and special to them
cobalt slate
oh ok
high island
Bow takes some practice.
granite kestrel
Are keys only for the mirror? Is there a reason to keep a lot
high island
Chiron is the easiest to learn out of the bows.
brisk trail
Are keys only for the mirror? Is there a reason to keep a lot
Mirror and Weapons are the only UNLOCKS you use them for. After that, you trade them at the wretched broker
granite kestrel
Sweet. I want to trade them
brisk trail
There's a limited time trade (you know, the bottom trade that changes each time you die) that can come about which is 15 keys = 1 titan's blood. Otherwise, you can do the Wretched Broker TB pipeline to turn 50 keys into 1 titan's blood at any time
high island
Keep 15 Keys on you for Titan Blood special deals, trade in the rest for Nectar.
sturdy nimbus
If you go by ease of clearing up to like 32, I would say the worst aspects are a...
swords just has too little range and fists are worse 
sturdy nimbus
I feel like the only really viable build ever on fist is to just use ME
brisk trail
First you beat me at posting my own guide, now this.
I'm not trying to take your job I promise 
sturdy nimbus
everything else is just way too slow to start going/run with how vulnerable you are
brisk trail
(also I pretty much exclusively use hollow knight emotes on discord so if anyone has not played hollow knight i am sorry, just try to go with the general vibe of my emojis xD) 
high island
swords just has too little range and fists are worse <:shadegrief:52044818735864...
Yeah, part of the problem is they need dash too much even at close range just to do good damage. And then you don't have dashes for i-frames from point-blank. And the DPS doesn't even keep up with safer aspects.
brisk trail
Greatest Reflex is really really good for melee yeah, especially with how it actually lets you leave the area of Hades's circle slash telegraph in a much more reasonable timing
high island
They need much better normal attack combos that include mobility in some way, in my opinion. Difficult to balance, though.
sturdy nimbus
sword also needs Double Edge to even keep up with other weapons' DPS
and swords has so goddamn many useless or straight up nerf-your-weapon hammers
cobalt slate
do i need keys after i get mirror upgrades and weapons
brisk trail
Yeah, hammers are part of why I don't like swords, they feel weak or gimmicky compared to others
sturdy nimbus
do i need keys after i get mirror upgrades and weapons
for the most part, nope
brisk trail
Like there's double nova, double edge... any other good sword hammers even exist
cobalt slate
ok thanks
rustic vale
4 nerfs your hammer to some capacity
3 nigh useless ones
sturdy nimbus
Dash Nova worst hammer in the game istg fr fr
rustic vale
then there are breaching slash/ double edge/ piercing wave/ double nova/ super nova that are actual benefits
brisk trail
Oh yeah, breaching slash is nice, I just don't like that the armor-shredding hammers (on all weapons really) are basically useless on bosses IMO
Like yeah, Hades adds, sure, but the boss itself will not die faster
rustic vale
I mean breaching cross is the best fists hammer and it’s an armour shredder
high island
Best way to play sword is dashless Zag Sword as A Link to the Past emulator.
brisk trail
I mean breaching cross is the best fists hammer and it’s an armour shredder
It does save you a lot of time on rooms
It's just that I don't generally struggle on rooms, I struggle more on bosses, personally
I can see the appeal for speedrunners and TD heat though
high island
Oh yeah, breaching slash is nice, I just don't like that the armor-shredding ham...
I like to take the Anvil when my only good hammer is anti-armor, for that reason.
rustic vale
Normal rooms are really the main issue for speed tbh
latent moon
It's just that I don't generally struggle on rooms, I struggle more on bosses, p...
breaching cross for dad adds make them a lot more bearable
high island
Yeah, Malphon kinda needs that, too.
For other anti-armor hammers, though, they're pretty poor against dad tbh.
rustic vale
The game wants me to get everything but zeus call rn
high island
They're also not +900%.
rustic vale
The game wants me to get everything but zeus call rn
Ap1 is shafting me hard
latent moon
git gud tbh
rustic vale
I’m not complaining though since I have an extra dd from athena under my sd
high island
I’m not complaining though since I have an extra dd from athena under my sd
I have a Chaos curse that's -2 HP for every move out of bed. 
rustic vale
I have a Chaos curse that's -2 HP for every move out of bed. <:squirtooh:4569134...
Dang
high island
And the worst part: no Chaos boon.
rustic vale
That’s rough
winter mesa
How do i forge a bond with hermes?
high island
Amir please fix.
high island
dang idk what to take into aspho rn
Eternal Rose is always the correct answer.
rustic vale
Acorn feels like theseus will just blow through it
rustic vale
Eternal Rose is always the correct answer.
I took rose into aspho
Wait
I’m going into ely
Why’d I say aspho earlier
high island
How do i forge a bond with hermes?
Max out his keepsake and talk to him.
winter mesa
Max out his keepsake and talk to him.
ah alright, i already have it maxed i just dont use it alot
thanks man
high island
Woman.
winter mesa
human
high island
No.
rustic vale
but yeah my pool is dem athena aphro and zeus and I’m thinking defensive keepsake for ely but I think theseus and beyblade asterius will just shred through acorn
high island
Cat girl.
rustic vale
Nyaanyaa != human
high island
but yeah my pool is dem athena aphro and zeus and I’m thinking defensive keepsak...
Is this still the 40 Heat challenge?
winter mesa
rustic vale
Is this still the 40 Heat challenge?
Yesp
high island
LC4 pact?
rustic vale
Yes
high island
Acorn.
rustic vale
I guess 🤔 I just figured they’d shred it given it’s arthur versus fo2 em3 heroes
winter mesa
time to do 63 heat
high island
Maybe, but that's still damage prevented.
You could try Myrmidon Bracer or Lambent Plume if you have high damage reduction and dodge already.
If you want to try something else.
winter mesa
is plume even usable in high heat runs? considering the extra health and jury summons
high island
Yes.
grizzled cedar
um so I want to gift something but its not letting me. I checked and there's still more hearts left
high island
We had a player early in the game's life time who casually streaked 50 Heat with Eris, Ruthless Reflex, and Lambent Plume. EM4 pacts no less.
I can't remember the name.
I blame my flu, not my impeccable memory.
Most newer high heat players don't know about it because that person didn't record their runs. Now they just say Lambent Plume bad because it's not the meta.
@vast junco you remember who m talking about?
rustic vale
It was definitely me
rustic vale
Most newer high heat players don't know about it because that person didn't reco...
“Lambent plume bad cuz lambent plume not the best option 100% of the time 
“
vast junco
I vaguely remember some of those runs being posted lol
high island
We had a few here and there who didn't submit their runs to the leaderboard, and now they're forgotten.
And two of the very best high heat players self-destructing their legacy by unnecessarily cheating and now also forgotten.
rich horizon
so I kinda want to rush to get skelly's first trinket thing but I'm only doing 1 heat runs atm, should I try jumping up to 8? if so, guidance on what pacts to take? I'm def gonna do em2
high island
TD2 is a good pick that doesn't really affect anything and still a pretty chill pace.
Can pause when making decisions to stop the timer, but might not even be necessary.
rich horizon
I ~should~ do tight deadline but timers make me anxious. mby I'll just do it and see what happens
sturdy nimbus
it's really not that much pressure 
rich horizon
yk those elementary school timed multiplication tests? yeah those freaked me right the heck out slkhfdksjdf
sturdy nimbus
after a few runs you forget it even exists
high island
I am usually the same, like for example I can't play FFXIII-3 at all because of the constant timer, it's just too much for me. But I find that it's a lot of fun in Hades somehow.
rich horizon
my runs are anywhere from 20 to 40 minutes loing
high island
That's perfectly good enough for TD2.
rich horizon
mby I'll finish the story first SKJDHFKJSD I'm on clear 7 or 8 I think
high island
Especially with pausing when you need to think or want to take a break.
Game also pauses the timer when choosing boons and such.
You'd just need to pause when choosing your exit or deciding what to pick up from Charon's Shop.
Maybe you'll be more comfortable with just TD1 for now.
9 minutes per biome. 36 minutes in total.
That's 1 free Heat even when you play at your casual pace.
You also don't lose immediately when the time runs out, you just take 5 damage per second.
rich horizon
ty!!!!
high island
Other than that, I encourage you to just try anything that sounds fun. 8 Heat is still great for just experimenting and making your own experiences with the pact.
rich horizon
my save file corrupted before I could get to 8 heat on my first save, I'm soooo excited
im still bitter about that corruption, but I'm glad for the reset kinda
rustic vale
Huh
high island
Like there's players who'll say don't take HS because it's too difficult for just 1 Heat, but for me it's always been more fun when the traps are actually dangerous and you really gotta watch out for them.
rustic vale
This ely erebus chamber could be a run ender
hs is fine until you have to pay attention to it and everything else
rich horizon
Like there's players who'll say don't take HS because it's too difficult for jus...
I had to log off, which one's hs?
rustic vale
More trap damage
rich horizon
oh yeah
high island
Prophecy fulfilled.
rich horizon
idk how I feel abt it, I would probably save that for a ranged weapon one
rustic vale
First 4 seconds
vast junco
I ~should~ do tight deadline but timers make me anxious. mby I'll just do it and...
I felt the exact same way before using TD regularly, definitely a thing you get used to the more you run with it
kind meadow
odd question but does gilgamesh aspect have a scratching animation
rich horizon
I love hestia rail sm it's my fav weapon, I'll probably try 8 heat when I wanna do rail again
I saw a heat guide somewhere at some point, can anyone point me to that?
rustic vale
Prophecy fulfilled.
Died to asterius miniboss fight soon after
high island
I felt the exact same way before using TD regularly, definitely a thing you get ...
Curious that the two of us who always favored aggressive playstyles used to be anxious about TD.
high island
It's not pinned anywhere. I just searched for heat guide lol.
rich horizon
I'll just put it in my notes then, thank you!
high island
But if you ever can't find it, just ping @violet jasper, who will be wondering why he got pinged now.
void vigil
hmm, that’s not pinned? Do you have a message link to the original message in #h1-high-heat-strategies?
high island
RidiculousHat has three primary functions: posting his heat guide, maintaining Hades spreadsheets, and being the one and only Gilgamesh main.
high island
hmm, that’s not pinned? Do you have a message link to the original message in <#...
I don't, but @violet jasper can post it there when he sees this and ask you to pin it then, I'd say.
rustic vale
Time to redefine the Hera meta with true shot
rustic vale
Rad
I thought I was dead to like 10 nimskulls with 5 dc hearts for a good 30 seconds there
rustic vale
I don't, but <@145977230034599937> can post it there when he sees this and ask y...
Ap1 is kind of a joke https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/795659377755422742/1053542572276068352/IMG_2661.jpg
violet jasper
RidiculousHat has three primary functions: posting his heat guide, maintaining H...
This is true
frank torrent
wait so why is going for artemis's legendary not just the meta for hera runs? i don't think i've had anyone tell me to go for it
violet jasper
@void vigil per your request, here is my recommended mirror config and heat prog
https://i.imgur.com/UQgfOtx.png https://i.imgur.com/4iAMuRo.png
void vigil
oh, thanks! Could you post this in #h1-high-heat-strategies so I could pin it there?
violet jasper
You got it. Thanks!
wraith oracle
Ok im on my 40th attempt rn and idk if im imagining it but enemies are getting tougher?
latent moon
unless you turned on heat, it's the same
rustic vale
wait so why is going for artemis's legendary not just the meta for hera runs? i ...
It’s horribly hard to find, and you often aren’t going out of your way to pick up artemis
frank torrent
it's just op lmao
frank torrent
what are the prerequisites for that one?
latent moon
exit wounds, marked, and pressure points
wraith oracle
It is normal to still be stuck at Theseus at attempt 40?
latent moon
2 of the 3
rustic vale
what are the prerequisites for that one?
2 of 3 artemis tier 2’s so
latent moon
It is normal to still be stuck at Theseus at attempt 40?
yeah
frank torrent
ah, i see
yeah that's hard to find
i had her show up at least 6 times this run and just happened to take PP and marked
wraith oracle
How do ppl clear the game at 10th or 12th etc i rly dont get it 😭
latent moon
people progress at their own pace
frank torrent
my first time i played this it took me 30
latent moon
and different skills from other games transfer over
frank torrent
had to reset my save and it took me 3 because i'd played it and other similar games since
wraith oracle
Would i do better if i use a controller
frank torrent
it took me like 10 tries to beat meg when i first picked up the game
latent moon
Would i do better if i use a controller
kbm and controller are fine
doesnt matter which you use
wraith oracle
it took me like 10 tries to beat meg when i first picked up the game
And then it took u only 20 tries to clear the rest of the game? How do u improve that quickly
latent moon
like i said, people progress at their own pace
wraith oracle
Im really tempted to turn on god mode and just be done w it
latent moon
some people are just naturally better and pick up the game faster, others are slower and need more time
latent moon
Im really tempted to turn on god mode and just be done w it
do it
what's stopping you
no shame in using god mode
frank torrent
because once I'd figured out how dodging enemies worked and that the strat wasn't just to try and facetank everything, the game was quite a bit easier
just had to work out enemies
theseus also took me a few tries
brisk trail
WOW hermes you absolute son of a -
Yes, Hermes. I broke my win streak of 19 wins. The largest win streak I'll probably ever have with getting bounties each time
You had to rub it in
frank torrent
my favourite boon is absolutely the extra dash from hermes
i take that one every single time
brisk trail
JUST because of that, literally just because of that one line, someone told me that at some point Hermes asks if you want him muted, and now I will say yes
When I get that offered, I will shut the man up
latent moon
tmw you get epic dashes vs hyper sprint from hermes and you have to decide to take the safe option or pray for rd
brisk trail
Gosh is there really no way to get the reunion epilogue without giving nectar to 🤢 Hermes
Okay i'll stop now, I'm over it. (Until he asks me to mute him. Then it's coming back to bite him in the butt)
latent moon
there is
brisk trail
Oh awesome
granite kestrel
WOW hermes you absolute son of a -
what was your streak
brisk trail
what was your streak
I did say it under the pic, but it was 19 ^_^
granite kestrel
oh sorry just saw under pic lol
brisk trail
no worries haha
latent moon
oh yeah you need 6/9 gods nice
old dawn
some people are just naturally better and pick up the game faster, others are sl...
re this
latent moon
i haven't finished a high heat run in a while lmao
brisk trail
oh yeah you need 6/9 gods nice
I didn't know this :D epic - In that case I'll just focus on the gods I actually like, which is most of them
latent moon
i will say
unless your bonds with than and dusa are almost done, you should avoid her
brisk trail
Aphrodite, right?
brisk trail
Okay, I just had a hunch, because someone told me out of context once that other character's bonds had something to do with aphro's thing.
Dusa is almost done (I just need the rest of the renovations that I can't even see yet because certain questlines - I had to search it up, I'm missing Nyx stuff for that one thing in the admin area), but Than barely ever shows up in my house of hades
latent moon
with the way dialogue rng goes, it can just be a pain
also yeah than not showing up lmao
brisk trail
Do you know if the "letter" style work orders need to happen for Dusa romance, or just the actual renovations?
(letter style like court musician's sentence, I think I saw one for achilles on the wiki, etc.)
brisk trail
I thiiink its still diamonds, let me check on the wiki
latent moon
so like, you can just buy those and then like idk drapes or something with gems lol
brisk trail
But it said I need literally every single renovation in the house of hades for the dusa romance
Not including House Decor, but like work order renovations
latent moon
every single??
well if it's every single one then just get them last i guess
after all the other diamond work orders
and while you're working on the other ones for gems just buy those as you go along i suppose
brisk trail
frank torrent
i have one work order left now, the 500 gem one
latent moon
oh huh
i never knew that lmao
i just bought stuff because i didn't know what else to do with gems
brisk trail
https://prnt.sc/k1vA2ZKem9LM
not to mislead you, this is a screenshot from a different page, but yeah, that's the info I can find on romancing dusa
latent moon
i mean i guess you can just work your way towards that while doing other things lmao
i went into this game completely blind other than the boss fights so i have like very little idea of bond progression
i just played the game and eventually got everything done lol
grizzled cedar
What do you do with diamonds?
latent moon
house contractor stuff
grizzled cedar
Ya but I didn’t get that option yet
latent moon
it'll come up eventually
grizzled cedar
I see
latent moon
some contractor stuff is locked behind other contractor stuff
latent moon
fun
grizzled cedar
Ya
high island
Usually the players that try to prioritize certain quest lines or something instead of just going with the flow become frustrated with dialogue RNG... because the game isn't really designed for that kind of quest mentality.
grizzled cedar
Usually the players that try to prioritize certain quest lines or something inst...
Bro I have that quest mentality
high island
Sis if anything.
grizzled cedar
Everyone is a bro to me, but if you want, I’ll call you sis
high island
Tbh I would prefer neither lol.
high island
My first clear was attempt 23.
latent moon
mine was 17
grizzled cedar
Dam
high island
Meta was way different when I got my first clear though. Early Access.
grizzled cedar
I still didn’t do it and Im at 20 I think
latent moon
i mean it's fine
everyone progresses at their own pace
also i recommend you stick to #h1-for-new-players so you dont get spoiled
grizzled cedar
Oh
high island
Yeah, #h1-for-new-players is the only spoiler-free channel.
high island
wait no mine was also 23
Omg.
Is your real name also Nyaanyaa Mewmew?
Maybe we're the same person.
First win is often more about happening upon a strong build that's easy to play.
And then trying to recreate that if it didn't work out the first time.
Unless somebody walks you through your runs or recommends builds.
void vigil
ive been playing since the very beginning of early access, so my first clear would have been killing the hydra
granite kestrel
does "Heaven's Vengeance" hurt me if im near the enemy when it's struck?
latent moon
no
the only thing you pick up that will hurt yourself are just chaos boons and hazard bomb
granite kestrel
why does it seem like its hitting me. maybe its just the enemy hurting me and it looks like it is
high island
Everyone replying faster than me today. This flu debuff sucks.
simple vault
light of ixion worth?
high island
Yeah.
rich horizon
do I do the smart thing and go to bed or do I finish Hades. I have two runs left til the credits
wraith oracle
do I do the smart thing and go to bed or do I finish Hades. I have two runs left...
How do u know how many runs u got left?
rich horizon
it's 10 clears to get to the credits, I've dine 8
void vigil
i dont know how long it takes you to do a run, but good sleep is important, so i would do 1 run as a compromise
void vigil
same hat...
i am so reasonable when it comes to other people. however when it comes to me i have pulled allnighters for supergiant games before
slim geyser
i have also done that
technically i have done an almost all nighter for hades 2 sewing Mels dress
but it is not gameplay
high island
do I do the smart thing and go to bed or do I finish Hades. I have two runs left...
Go to bed and enjoy the game even more when you're well rested. 
frank torrent
got rare crop on ares attack, this could lead to quite a powerful doom
tired karma
god I love this soundtrack
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojx8dyes__8&ab_channel=SupergiantGames
vital tapir
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/989083298099785730/1053594555540328479/image.png?width=1248&height=700 new dialogue + build
high island
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/989083298099785730/1053594555540328479/...
Did the Rama talk make you wanna play Rama?
What is Demon Time?
gray apex
Nice build
frank torrent
20 second heroes fight, i like merciful end
twilit lodge
Probably not
It’s just a narwhal made of stone
It gives a lot of gems which is cool!
brisk trail
I mean that is good (yay gems), I just thought the opportunity to make a homonym for "stonewall" might have been too tempting for someone on the team. I guess we can't really know for sure though, since yeah, it does make sense in an isolated context too I guess
twilit lodge
I’d think/hope if it was intended to reference Stonewall it would have a less morbid description in the codex
brisk trail
I mean, fair
rich horizon
I'm so angry I had such a good build and hades just let me pass him 😭 damn you run 10
high island
I don't think they'd make a deliberate obscure reference to riots that aren't well known outside of US culture tbh.
frank torrent
I'm so angry I had such a good build and hades just let me pass him 😭 damn you ...
my first ever ME build
rich horizon
I had a really good cast build i was calling the meat grinder
it was carried by black metal and the artemis & ares duo boon
twilit lodge
Just run 10 things
rich horizon
I spent like less than 2 minutes on the heroes
sturdy nimbus
you special, then cast, then go to sleep
rich horizon
ty hermes for the extra casts <3333
frank torrent
merciful end just killed them in less than 30 seconds, it was quite remarkable
rich horizon
I'm just gonna hope I can get this lucky again
ME is deflect makes doom trigger, right?
twilit lodge
Yes
frank torrent
ME is deflect makes doom trigger, right?
yeah, doom triggers with a deflect effect
rich horizon
I can't figure out how to make it work right for me, I might just be too small brain
sturdy nimbus
this is a run I got yesterday
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1036523944678805515/1053233440943779902/image.png
sturdy nimbus
every 3 cast goes through a hades phase
rich horizon
maybe it doesn't fit with my playstyle and that's ok :)
frank torrent
it works best with melee weapons
rich horizon
oh yeah!! I had vicious cycle too!!!
frank torrent
and the dps was good enough that i effectively tanked hades
rich horizon
I'm so mad at hades!!! fight me!!!!
twilit lodge
It works best with dash striking things
frank torrent
the 350 max hp helped too
sturdy nimbus
Ares cast is probably the hardest snowballing cast
which is ironic when that should've been Demeter's domain
high island
And you don't need to run into the enemies to pick it back up.
simple vault
but where extra cast dmg
high island
Electric Shot kinda sucks tbh. I mean it's not bad, but it's not good.
simple vault
Electric Shot kinda sucks tbh. I mean it's not bad, but it's not good.
numbskulls and firewheels
flame wheels sorry
gray apex
That’s about it
high island
Yeah.
Still good on Poseidon, though. But you can also get exceptionally poor runs with it sometimes because it needs a lot to scale well into later biomes.
sturdy nimbus
zeus cast is my go to cast when I'm not on castpect
it's autoaim and ability to clear a lot of trash mobs is too good
poseidon cast is good as well but it's autoaim like to just put the cast in unreachable places
it's the worst when you're running Beowulf shield and then the bloodstones get stuck in some faraway void on Elysium
high island
No, it's not the auto aim, it's you.
sturdy nimbus
true
vital tapir
zeus cast is p decent aoe for weaker enemies but yeah i would never use it on a castspect
i like it a lot on hesty
high island
Flood Shot + Breaking Wave is great. Phalanx Shot is great. Slicing Shot has Hunting Blades potential. Trippy Shot stun and burst damage is great and potential for Black Out. Crystal Beam is blerg unless you pivot into Crystal Clarity build. True Shot is... opens Duo Boons situationally. And Electric Shot is in the same tier for me.
Crush Shot is naturally the best Cast to ever exist.
pulsar hemlock
Is it worth using aspect of chiron lvl 1? 🤔
high island
If it's Lv.1, you'll want Drunken Flourish on it.
pulsar hemlock
Hm. I was thinking going for Artemis, though
high island
That's like the only decent Lv.1 build unless you want to play it as base bow and completely ignore the Special.
high island
Hm. I was thinking going for Artemis, though
Yeah, but not with just 4 arrows in your Volley. That's for high level Chiron.
pulsar hemlock
I tried the base bow yesterday. I hate it .-.
simple vault
base bow worth the titans blood?
pulsar hemlock
Took me 34 minutes just to get to Hades, and lost in second phase :I
high island
Base bow would mean Lv.0, with no upgrades.
pulsar hemlock
Base bow doesn't cost titan blood? 🤔
high island
Zag Bow is pretty good. There's an aspect leveling guide pinned in #h1-for-new-players if you want to get an idea of how the aspects scale with levels.
rich horizon
idfk where this goes! so i accidentally forgot to give nectar to anyone except meg and than, and I'm waiting on their request thingies. everyone except them has one nectar. who should I focus giving my 15 spare nectars to? im thinking Athena and Dionysus bc they're my fav but idk if there's any power advantage to anyone else.
frank torrent
that's 3 good bow aspects
high island
Took me 34 minutes just to get to Hades, and lost in second phase :I
That's progress, I assume?
frank torrent
what's the secret one like?
pulsar hemlock
Is it only worth going Artemis if Chiron is lvl 5?
pulsar hemlock
That's progress, I assume?
Well, doesn't normal runs go like, 20-25 minutes?
high island
Hidden bow is amazing for high heat. One of the most pact-resilient aspects in the game.
gray fossil
i need some help regarding hades
frank torrent
Hidden bow is amazing for high heat. One of the most pact-resilient aspects in t...
wait so all 4 are actually useful
high island
Also pretty strong for casual play.
frank torrent
now i see why people like bow
high island
Yeah, bow gud.
gray fossil
so every gods heart thing, which increases when u give necter , is stuck now
pulsar hemlock
I prefer fists. I like speed :p
rich horizon
Well, doesn't normal runs go like, 20-25 minutes?
my runs are anywhere from 20-40 mins, you're all good :)
pulsar hemlock
i am not able to give them necter or anything
Does their heart have a lock on it?
gray fossil
Does their heart have a lock on it?
yes
high island
so every gods heart thing, which increases when u give necter , is stuck now
The solution tbh is just to play more until story progresses enough to unlock their hearts.
pulsar hemlock
Usually means you either need to talk to them more or do something else, I think
high island
It's a long-term project.
frank torrent
soooo, chiron is good for earlyish game, zag i've never used but it's apparently decent, hera is a bit funne, and hidden is good for high heat
i need to try zag bow
and hidden, artemis gave me the waking phrase
pulsar hemlock
But uh, at what lvl is it worth using Artemis on Chiron?
gray fossil
ok time to play more
high island
Well, doesn't normal runs go like, 20-25 minutes?
Mine are like 16ish RTA casually. But that doesn't tell you anything, I've played more than all of you in chat right now combined probably lol.
Also if you're not speedrunning or playing with TD, clear time doesn't really matter.
pulsar hemlock
Well, it kinda does if I don't wanna feel like a noob? 😅
limber gust
ares aid is really... not helpful
high island
If you're trying out things and learning and playing more casually, naturally runs will take more time.
high island
Well, it kinda does if I don't wanna feel like a noob? 😅
I've done WR times and I've done runs that took like 40-50 minutes IGT lol.
No reason to beat yourself up over playing at your pace.
pulsar hemlock
Well, I'm a returning player.
Just kinda awkward. Good enough for boss 1 and 2 to be easy, but bad enough for the 4th to be hard-ish 😅
So Chiron lvl 2 + poison special might work?
I just want that 0-heat reward x)
frank torrent
for me my normal runs are anywhere between 20-25 with fast runs being 15-20
high island
Yeah, that sounds good.
frank torrent
chiron with hangover is good yeah
frank torrent
for me my normal runs are anywhere between 20-25 with fast runs being 15-20
and i'm certainly not insanely good at this yet
high island
Well, if you got like 15min RTA, you're probably one of the top speedrunners.
pulsar hemlock
I'd like to be able to consistently do 20-25 minute runs.
But base bow with only Poseidon special just sucks 😅
frank torrent
Well, if you got like 15min RTA, you're probably one of the top speedrunners. <:...
yeah, RTA is a little higher lmao
rich horizon
I have 80 hours ingame and my fastest time is like 21 minutes iirc.
frank torrent
i don't want to know what my RTA times are like
rich horizon
what's RTA mean?
sturdy nimbus
real time attack
high island
15 min IGT is like... fast casual? Good enough to do 32 Heat probably, with maybe a little bit of practice.
sturdy nimbus
it's where you count the time in real-time instead of using the in-game time
frank torrent
15 min IGT is like... fast casual? Good enough to do 32 Heat probably, with mayb...
i still have 24 levels of heat to go before then lol
sturdy nimbus
in-game time is abbreviated as IGT
frank torrent
2 of my 3 sub 20 times were merciful end fists
the other was aphro hera bow
didn't even get mirage or anything
brisk trail
is this LTO good https://prnt.sc/3V4ou2e_-DQf
rich horizon
I have never seen my rta and I don't plan to bc sometimes I'll need to do something in the middle of the run and get distracted and wander off for an hour
brisk trail
I feel like it's not worth it, but I'm not positive
frank torrent
I have never seen my rta and I don't plan to bc sometimes I'll need to do someth...
i had a run today take about 3 hours RTA
i was chatting on discord between rooms
rich horizon
I *feel* like it's not worth it, but I'm not positive
how much ambrosia do you hav
brisk trail
how much ambrosia do you hav
20 - you can see it in the pic
frank torrent
IGT was under 25 minutes tho lmao
brisk trail
But its also an opportunity cost of 1 titan blood
because 1 ambrosia = 1 titan blood at normal deals
high island
is this LTO good https://prnt.sc/3V4ou2e_-DQf
It's a good trade, yes.
rich horizon
20 - you can see it in the pic
I say go for it but take what I say w a grain of salt
brisk trail
So the question is, is a titan blood worth more than 500 darkness
pulsar hemlock
Hmm, poison special, is it worth going for dmg % on special, then? 🤔
high island
You'll run out of use for Titan Blood before you run out of use for Darkness.
rich horizon
it's 2 am I have work in 10 hours but god I want to play more hades
frank torrent
darkness is used for so much stuff
brisk trail
Good point. I'll always be able to dump 325,000 darkness into getting the Unseen One rank
high island
But if you wanna trade it in for Titan Blood instead, it's not a bad idea either.
pulsar hemlock
Why titan blood? Doesn't it cost the thing from Elysium??
frank torrent
how much heat do you need to beat on all weapons to get all maxed aspects?
high island
Gifting it is also good.
brisk trail
yea but you only need so many
frank torrent
like how much titan blood is required
pulsar hemlock
A lot?
vital tapir
think of how long it would take to farm for a tradeup titan blood compared to how long 500 darkness would take
pulsar hemlock
Is it worth going for Chaos if I use Dionysus special?
brisk trail
think of how long it would take to farm for a tradeup titan blood compared to ho...
are you implying I should take the darkness
I honestly can't tell from the statement
brisk trail
Is it worth going for Chaos if I use Dionysus special?
It's almost always worth it to go for Chaos
pulsar hemlock
Darkness is pretty easy to farm, though. Just do some runs on heat you've already beaten
frank torrent
i mean imo it takes much less time to do a run and get one more ambrosia than it does to farm low heat and get darkness
brisk trail
Especially if you're comfy enough with the area you're in
high island
like how much titan blood is required
306 to max all weapon aspects.
frank torrent
so that's... 51 per weapon
brisk trail
And how many titan blood do you get for all bounties on all weapons
brisk trail
Bounties stop at 20 heat right?
vital tapir
less than 300 but a lot more from prophecies
high island
And how many titan blood do you get for all bounties on all weapons
- a bunch from prophecies.
frank torrent
ah so heat is 0-20 at 2 per run
brisk trail
So the rest of those need to be traded, bought from Charon's shop, or you simply have to decide "no I'll never use the talos fists" and save yourself on aspects you simply never want to try
vital tapir
i had all aspects maxed with like half the bounties and some ambrosia trades
brisk trail
Although that last option feels less fun
high island
And you'll run out of use for Keys, Nectar, Ambrosia, so you'll trade those in.
brisk trail
Oh or fished
frank torrent
yeah, trading up ambrosia seems like a good way
brisk trail
I almost forgot fished
frank torrent
fishing a bass in greece is a free ambrosia
brisk trail
Fishing in Greece, provided you get a perfect catch, garauntees you a free titan blood
Because if you get the 50/50 and it's the middle fish you get ambrosia, you can trade it for TB at wretched broker
and if it's the top fish you simply get titans blood straight up
frank torrent
i maxed meg companion because i had so much ambrosia built up lol
don't think i've ever used her 5 times in a run
turbid jasper
there's a companion?
brisk trail
If you mess up your perfect catch and get a diamond fish though, you'll need 2 for a TB
turbid jasper
hello
brisk trail
there's a companion?
Yeah they're pretty late game. Get M- wait wait, how many bosses have you killed?
turbid jasper
Yeah they're pretty late game. Get M- wait wait, how many bosses have you killed...
everyone except father
brisk trail
Okay yeah, get Meg's companion first, hers is awesome.
turbid jasper
so
brisk trail
Gift her stuff
high island
Anyway, all of the trades in the game are very fair and none of the resources are actually limited.