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#h1-discussion
high island
No, I don't pause the game for sub 10. 
serene shadow
you going for IGT? or RGT?
high island
I'd pause if I was pushing for like sub 7.
high island
you going for IGT? or RGT?
I've done like less than 10 runs in the last 9+ months probably, so at this point neither IGT nor RTA. 
urban swift
So um I'm trying to figure out what two keepsakes I'm missing. (If reading from right to left ans top to bottom) im missing the 6th one and the last one. And I can't think of anyone I haven't given nectar to at least once.
livid pulsar
if i counted right it's charons and the spoilers one
urban swift
(Will be an actual.picture not a screen shot)
high island
6th from the top left is Hypnos.
urban swift
6th from the top left is Hypnos.
Wait I could have sworn I have gifted him before
livid pulsar
6th from the top left is Hypnos.
they counting right to left for some reason tho
urban swift
you get it after finishing the game
Like escaping? Or actually finish
serene shadow
Clear run
livid pulsar
escape 10 times then do one more thing
urban swift
Oh okay
livid pulsar
there are two locked behind it
serene shadow
I just realized
it wouldn't have mattered if he took a pic
apollo and hestia are in my keepsakes
urban swift
So the one I'm missing that isn't the last us the one to the right of bone hourglass
Between bone hour glass and skull earing
livid pulsar
it's spoilers
||hades and persophone keepsakes that are locked behind finishing the game and getting the queen back, you can give her 1 nectar and 2 to hades to get the keepsakes||
livid pulsar
Between bone hour glass and skull earing
yeah thats hypnos
serene shadow
Yeah its hypno
livid pulsar
the little guy by the blood bathtub
urban swift
Yeah its hypno
That's weird I could have sworn I gifted him
livid pulsar
that tells you to git gud
high island
Btw you can't upload files, but you can link an image from imgur or your private discord server or something and link it here. Image embeds work just fine.
serene shadow
I see
high island
Yeah I'm way to lazy for that
Until describing your problem takes way longer than doing that.
urban swift
Lol
twilit lodge
Man I’m so rusty, I wasted almost all of my summons on normal rooms by pressing the summon button instead of call
twilit lodge
And here I thought Lucifer was from the Bible
serene shadow
Well
rustic vale
Omfg you know Paradise lost.
Not really too uncommon to know it
twilit lodge
||pointless spoiler tags go||
livid pulsar
hes actually from the popular fox show Lucifer, but that's a common mistake
serene shadow
i love that show
livid pulsar
he's also in one of the saints row games as a easter egg to his appearance as the final boss in Castlevania
serene shadow
Beeg
sacred hatch
Do you all know any good hades streamers/youtubers
twilit lodge
lean timber
mattyboi has a few speedruns on his channel i think but he's MIA rn
lean timber
https://twitch.tv/zyruvias
who's that
twilit lodge
A dog
lean timber
awesome i love dogs
twilit lodge
I’m more of a cat person
twilit lodge
No that’s bowels cat
raw herald
rt95 uploads whenever he gets a pb
signal aspen
Ong fr no cap facts so true
twilit lodge
Bussin bussin
twilit lodge
It’s compatible with freezing vortex and shield was on thirst so I’m aiming for it
And vicious
latent moon
It’s compatible with freezing vortex and shield was on thirst so I’m aiming for ...
when i did my slicing flare runs i never thought of using freezing vortex until a bit later when someone else mentioned it lmao
latent moon
And vicious
oh vicious cycle doesnt work on it
twilit lodge
Big rips
twilit lodge
Still better than stubborn roots
twilit lodge
Which I was also gonna aim for but I’ve already been forced into Poseidon and Aphrodite
latent moon
also sells for more
twilit lodge
So I don’t think I’ll be getting it this run
latent moon
rip
twilit lodge
Jeez rip current really sucks in the ely souls
Everything actually
Haven’t used this since way early in my normal mode save lol
Almost makes pos call halfway decent for normal rooms
If only engulfing vortex pulled that much
vital tapir
rip current goes hard
twilit lodge
Went LP for prophecy
At least the heroes always melt to that
Rest of the run is horrid tho
14:13 heroes exit
I don’t think this is sub 10 pace
Got epic flurry cast thanks to EA
And then greater recall from Styx Hermes lmao
Tunnels are fun with infinite casts
rustic vale
just use ME
Same as using level 5 pos sword
latent moon
true
latent moon
it gives your casts 35% backstab
and that's not very likely to happen
phalanx shot can backstab because it's such a large projectile, but that's about it
other times, you're gonna have to fish for a backstab with hera
and frankly, it's too much effort to try and go for those on hera
so just sell it lmao
serene shadow
why such weak boons.
rustic vale
Boons aren’t made equal
twilit lodge
Is.. nothing to write home about
rustic vale
demeter ares duo
And?
lunar moth
- Choose Achilles spear
- Get to the dad
- Throw the spear on the ground using special
- Die
- Dad leaves
- Go out of the Styx pool
- Press Q to dash through all the walls to your spear lying on the ground up there
- Escape
brisk trail
ayo what is this hax method i havent learn???
damn i gotta try it now
hope it doesnt break my 100 streak record
exotic crow
dusky solar
one time i cheesed dad by using achilles spear to just constantly dash away from him while i poked him down with casts because i was too terrified to get close (fo2 experience)
high island
If you can do that with Crystal Clarity and HL5 LC4 FO2 HS TD3, you can do 50 Heat.
dusky solar
crystal clarity 
dusky solar
cheese strats my beloved
i dont think i could do it with TD though. atleast not more than TD1
i cant even go TD5 with zagbow and thats my best aspect
high island
crystal clarity <:thanthink:669246004142538753>
Crystal Clarity + Glacial Glare, to be clear.
Ideally with Stygian Soul and extra casts.
high island
i cant even go TD5 with zagbow and thats my best aspect
That's faster to learn than you might think, though.
latent moon
You'll get it eventually
Learning experience and all that
also one dash probably isn't helping but you do you
heavy sigil
2 dashes is so good once u get used to it
rustic vale
More dashes is always good
rustic vale
1 min per biome
-1 min per biome
latent moon
2 dashes is so good once u get used to it
she's very insistent on using ruthless reflex, and no one here can convince her to change it lmao
iirc she recognizes that greater reflexes is better, but wants to keep using ruthless reflex?
rustic vale
SGG charon well dash item when?
Chaos boon extra dashes when?
hollow lichen
hi
livid pulsar
i never finished a run with ruthless reflex, i need it for the prophecy :|
old dawn
man i thought my first 32 would be less random than just picking up talos and lucksacking
high island
man i thought my first 32 would be less random than just picking up talos and lu...
Congratulations!
urban swift
I really wish I didn't have to work through next couple days man I just want to binge hades
high island
lol it be like that sometimes.
But at least you can think up new builds to try out and stuff.
hollow lichen
wat is giglamesh
vital tapir
nobody knows D:
hollow lichen
oh
rustic vale
wat is giglamesh
Hidden aspect of fists
rustic vale
how to use gilgamesh
Turn on ruthless reflex because you get extra dashes
Build ME or tdash
Dash through enemies
Win (or die because longer dash cooldown and shorter dashes)
urban swift
Why did they have to make sisyphus so adorable
silver flax
hola
I have a question
why is there no co op mode in Hades?
a mode with two Zagreus running around and slashin' would be just so much fun with friends
umbral summit
Is there some really lengthy to unlock Great Hall contractor item? I'm at the very end of nearly every storyline and have bought everything visible in that category, but no checkmark
twilit lodge
There’s a chair for hypnos
high island
Man, single dash sword is so miserable.
vital tapir
there’s a co op mod in development i think
high island
There's zero reason to assume they're even working on anything related to Hades tbh.
latent moon
A co op mod has been mentioned before
By grand pooh bear or whatever the name was
When he did that video
high island
As a 3rd party mod? Idk about any mods that are in development; but I remember the devs saying something to the effect that it's not gonna happen when it came up in #ask-supergiant or a reddit AMA.
latent moon
Probably 3rd party mod
high island
So I've found an effective strategy for getting a new sword PB is to not play sword for a year and only like 10 runs maybe in total and then do single dash sword for 3 runs for the memes to get sub 10 because somebody in #h1-discussion said "also one dash probably isn't helping but you do you".
Gonna recommend that next time somebody asks.
Well.
Single dash + 3 is still technically single dash.
latent moon
Bruh lmao
latent moon
So I've found an effective strategy for getting a new sword PB is to not play sw...
That was me btw
high island
ignore pace
No.
raw herald
400 gold let’s go
high island
Just get Cluster Bomb so you can quickly stack Hangover.
umbral summit
Yes!
20 heat on all weapons and 32 heat done!
Now to finish buying everything from the House Contractor, and I think I'm satisfied with putting Hades down
dawn crane
You guys want my take on the most blessed gaming experience? Playing Hades while on magic [redacted] and listening to Por Este Rio Acima by Fausto
Doing it right now and it's a 10/10
twilit lodge
Hades and substances just go hand in hand apparently
dawn crane
It's not the first time I've thought it, but this especially leaves me partially wishing there were more ways to spend time just living amongst the characters and spaces of the game. Of course they're of a pre-constructed pantheon, but they're adapted so well. Upgrading the homebase leaves me wanting more.
Also, I just annihilated Theseus without a sweat and in the rush I forgot to thank my devoted shade for the first time in literally like forty runs. I feel so goddamn bad for what is just a little flavor character because the worldspace really does start to feel like a little coven of characters you get cozy with.
royal fern
whats a fun aspect of eris build?
royal fern
pleaseeeeee
tepid zenith
i did it i manage to get artemis 7th heart :D
royal fern
i did it i manage to get artemis 7th heart :D
whats that?
tepid zenith
whats that?
i got artemis relation to 7 hearts (6 of them by giving nectar, the last after talking to her and the dying and repeating xd)
barren nest
i hate it i hate it i hate it i hate it i hate it
latent moon
would you like to elaborate on that
lean timber
no.
latent moon
fair
signal aspen
skill issue
dusky solar
Lightning strike and all the Zeus boons
i thought itd be better to go aph atk so the charged shot hits like a semi truck
wait
am i thinking or the wrong aspect
i am
sorry
i was thinking of hest
hardy spear
is it just me or does beowulf require a relatively large amount of rng to get a good time
rustic vale
i was thinking of hest
👍
latent moon
is it just me or does beowulf require a relatively large amount of rng to get a ...
Not completely wrong tbh
Bad enemies like unarmored witches and the likes suck for it
Also hyper delivery
Well items
Mirage
Obv if you practice enough beo you can get a decent time without rng going your way, but tbf that's like all aspects
hardy spear
ive gotten 10:xx or 11:xx like 6 times in a row
last run i didnt get mirage shot, cshot, good wells or many poms 
hardy spear
feels like theres just so much that could possibly scale it
but we move
lol c1 cshot i just had to complain
barren nest
how do i upgrade my weapon
rustic vale
Select it again
lean timber
is it just me or does beowulf require a relatively large amount of rng to get a ...
lol lmao
what a joke, possibly most wrong opinion i've ever read
recall my 50 heat speedrun with beo on my first clear with the weapon! (i didn't post it yet for personal reasons)
hardy spear
rustic vale
Recall my 65 heat sub0 clear on run 1 of a new save file with it
I posted it then the Super Giant from Super Giant Games hacked speedrun.com, deleted it, then came to my house and personally deleted all traces of the run
hardy spear
you havent unlocked that yet then
hardy spear
2:10 tart p good for a sub 10 tho
4 sack tiny vermin 
umbral summit
Normal Lernie feels utterly alien after about 115 runs in a row with EM Lernie
rustic vale
i dont have the 6th one yet
You need the rail before you can use aspects of weapons yes
Well, you specifically need rail
In general you need them all before you can unlock aspects
umbral summit
bah
got Huge Catch in Elysium, but no more chaos portals
Chaos rearing his head again in being annoying for completion
Wonder why they didn't allow chaos portals to show up in Styx
Too close to the surface for lore? Just wanted to prevent people from having a big penalty on Hades?
lol, 7500 damage Ares Aid
raw herald
🗿
hardy spear
weak veldt
is a 15 minute run on 14 heat good for a casual player?
raw herald
Yeah
rustic vale
Yeah
weak veldt
what do those mean?
rustic vale
Rta is real time
weak veldt
igt
rustic vale
igt is in-game-time
weak veldt
I use boons to take a little breather
rustic vale
If it’s 14 minutes rta your in game time is likely way way lower
latent moon
I use boons to take a little breather
as opposed to not using boons?
weak veldt
I mean I use the selection to give my fingers a break
rustic vale
as opposed to just clicking on your choice within the first 2 seconds or something
That’s normal I think
latent moon
oh i see
weak veldt
I'm trying to move over to controller because my fingers get tired on mouse and keys
latent moon
yeah that's normal
weak veldt
what are your guys' fastest aspects?
raw herald
Beowulf then hestia
latent moon
same
raw herald
Then nemesis 🗿
weak veldt
Mine's rama
latent moon
beo and hesty are the only ones that i actually enjoy using
funnily enough they're both known for one shotting everything
rustic vale
Zag bow but that’s just because I’ven’t tried speedrunning with beowulf or hera or eris
rustic vale
Zag bow but that’s just because I’ven’t tried speedrunning with beowulf or hera ...
Or really lent into learning how to use each efficiently
latent moon
aim and shoot
raw herald
Don’t take splitting headache
rustic vale
latent moon
splitting headache kinda good
rustic vale
I feel like I make a lot of unnecessary movements and actions when I use them
Rather then with zag bow it’s just dash -> dash strike -> win
livid pulsar
bruh im doing a pierced butterfly run and i almost did hitless tartarus
took only 2 hits and both were from dodging into traps
i wasn't even dodging anything
umbral summit
Any tips on getting Chaos fishing spots other than roll for more chaos rooms and try to get Huge Catch early?
livid pulsar
rng manipulation
it's random you can't
you can buy a forced fishing spot from charons well and if you're luck to get a room with no water and chaos gate next it will appear on chaos
umbral summit
Only thing I still have to do story-wise is catch 2 more Matis
but I haven't seen a Chaos fishing spot in probably 20 runs
Took me some 50 runs specifically gearing for Defiance to get that as well, so it seems that Chaos just has it out for me on my slot
livid pulsar
use the starting boon selector mod and keep rolling until you get room 1 or 2 chaos gate
umbral summit
no mods here
livid pulsar
other than that, i dont think there is much you can do tbh
use chaos gate, go with fated persuasion so you can reroll charon wells for forced fishing spot, and use chaos egg and that's pretty much it
umbral summit
chaos egg? does that have a hidden effect?
livid pulsar
no, but if you gonna go entering every chaos gate you might as well get some nice boons from it
umbral summit
Eh, I'd rather run Poseidon for earlier Huge Catch to try to get lucky getting it early
I'm doing 0 heat so actually beating the runs is trivial
livid pulsar
i think chaos egg makes gates slightly more likely to spawn, but it could just be selection bias on my part
but i do seem to get them more often with it
livid pulsar
I'm doing 0 heat so actually beating the runs is trivial
i'd recommend at least tight deadline 1 since it makes enemies spawn faster
run gods legacy for 5% more chance for huge catch 🤓
umbral summit
Yeah, got legacy on
Tight Deadline makes enemies spawn faster? I thought the attack/movement speed pact did that
livid pulsar
it does, thats why speedrunners always have it on
gray apex
You’re confusing it with Forced Overtime
gray apex
Tight Deadline is the time limit one, if doesn’t affect enemies
livid pulsar
ah yes i'm confusing it
rustic vale
i am?
You are
you don’t want tight deadline on for speedruns because it removes survival rooms
livid pulsar
oh so i'm extra wrong
tight deadline would be extra bad for fish since survival rooms don't have water fish can't spawn there and fishing spots can't spawn too close to previous ones
rustic vale
survival rooms can have water wdym
rustic vale
I'm doing 0 heat so actually beating the runs is trivial
Forced overtime 2 and extreme measures 2 will make your runs faster btw
rustic vale
they never have water in them
You are wrong
livid pulsar
only asphodel survival rooms have "water"
rustic vale
Tartarus survival rooms can have water in them
livid pulsar
EM2 is good, you can get 4 lernie heads with a good meg
rustic vale
Em2 is good because it groups up lernie heads so it makes lernie faster
Fo2 makes enemies faster and makes enemies spawn faster
Bp1 can make armoured enemies spawn earlier in the biome iirc
Fo2 and em2 will make your runs quicker then 0 heat, either by making you win sooner or making you die sooner
livid pulsar
also if all you want is to fish in chaos you should die to theseus every time, gates can't spawn after him and it's faster than finishing
pro tip
you can trust me
umbral summit
I'm still farming darkness and gemstones atm while I look for it
Would just be nice to get it out the way because it's the last non-house contractor thing I plan to do
rustic vale
Then start with poseidon because he has boons that increase darkness gain
And big catch
Then go into dionysus to hope for ea to hope for chaos to give you eclipse boons
Since ea will guarantee your eclipses to be purple
umbral summit
Yeah, I'm doing Poseidon, and keeping him on until Styx unless I get both Sunken Treasure and Ocean's Bounty
rustic vale
Yeah, I'm doing Poseidon, and keeping him on until Styx unless I get both Sunken...
It makes no sense to keep him on past forcing him in
umbral summit
Wiki says it counts as one of the prerequisites for Huge Catch, so you need 1 less boon with it on
livid pulsar
conch, oceans booty or sunken treasure, if you get one of those 2 you don't need it anymore and you can use a good keepsake
umbral summit
Wiki says you need 2 of conch, ocean's bounty, and sunken treasure to unlock huge catch
So if I want HC, I can only dump it after getting both of the boons
Or after Chaos no longer appears when I get to Styx
gray apex
Hunting for Huge Catch is not worth the effort regardless, better off just finishing runs faster so you get more attempts in, hence you see more chaos gates/wells.
rustic vale
Oh btw you can get sunken treasure more then once
True
Faster your runs are the faster you’ll see more chaos rooms and more fishes
umbral summit
The vast majority of the chaos gates i see are ineligible for fishing because of a recent fish spawn
HC massively increases chances by making that not matter
gray apex
And how often do you get Huge catch and how late in the run is it
umbral summit
I usually get huge catch, but 50/50 it's too late
umbral summit
Is there any pattern to which chambers have water (other than the first rooms past the main fountains), to know if buying both fishing point and chaos portal would get me a chaos fish?
Or are the layouts randomly chosen for the most part
raw herald
You don’t usually in speedruns, but sometimes it’s correct at high heat
vital tapir
with dc meg is usually irrelevant for minibosses
except like power couple and bball/bull
even bull you can skip
rustic vale
If you buy extra meg use ig
latent moon
with dc meg is usually irrelevant for minibosses
for some minibosses you can strip dc before meg lands
doom stone, styx minibosses
heroes
vital tapir
yeah ofc
fallen fjord
Are there weebs in chat 🤔
twilit lodge
Gross, I hope not
livid pulsar
just did a run with smoldering air, splitting bolt and zeus call, actually op af
latent moon
zeus call smair is just busted lmao, splitting bolt makes it dummy strong
fallen fjord
dummy thicc 💯
lean timber
weh 😭
rustic vale
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/989083298099785730/1048832953721044992/...
I wish
latent moon
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/989083298099785730/1048832953721044992/...
what heat are you running lmao 50?
or worst 32 pact possible
vital tapir
50 hestia
rustic vale
what heat are you running lmao 50?
Best 5 heat pact possible
vital tapir
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/989083298099785730/1048842853125730314/image.png this may be the run
inb4 5 sack
latent moon
lmao
rustic vale
Plenty of time to sub10
barren nest
whats the best weapon type
vital tapir
losing patty was the concern, not time
rustic vale
zag sword… is close to aspectless
The +15% to attack speed doesn’t matter too much as sword gameplay is really just dash striking a ton but the movespeed is nice if you hit rush delivery
vital tapir
sturdy nimbus
ah dammit, I got a Hera run with Lv17 Crush Shot but I died on em4 dad because of the gem laser miniboss summon making me unable to see anything 
the funny part is that I got the +1 DD boon offer from chaos right on the 2nd gate, but I didn't pick it because I felt like I don't need extra survivability anymore when playing
brisk trail
how many estimated runs will it take for me to obtain 4k gems? assuming i dont use posiedon keepsake and fail to get eclipse boons from chaos
gray apex
how many estimated runs will it take for me to obtain 4k gems? assuming i dont u...
Atleast 10
brisk trail
ok 10 doesnt seem that much thank
gray apex
np
vital tapir
boss rewards are only 110 per run
twilit lodge
Make sure you fish especially in Styx
deft canyon
Zagreus "Oh hey there"
"hey There short one"
"FILTHY HELLSPAWN I SHALL SMITE U DOWN WITH TGE POWER OF MY FAITH AND MY WILL U WILL NOT PASS U SHALL NOT PASS ALONG ME IM CHOSEN FROM THE GODS THEMSELVES "
stiff pike
Hey, curious but what's the point of burnout? if you've even burnt out at all, for me i played alot less at the 48 hours mark
dull niche
i am nearing 3k hours and haven’t gotten there just yet
barren nest
if i make a copy of my save file then die is it possible to restore my save
tardy adder
Can't ask this one on the channel for new players because of spoilers but I can't beat the final boss. Even if I have all my death defiance and Merciful end. Any tips for the final boss would be appreciated.
urban swift
if you have the DPS i have been having good luck with aking sure i kill the skulls
another thing that helped me is learning to run away most of the fight and just running in during an oppening hitting him like 4 times then leaving
slowly chipping him down
but im also bad at this game so...
high island
Can't ask this one on the channel for new players because of spoilers but I can'...
Collection of posts I've made in the server about the final boss: https://docs.google.com/document/d/137Vqe-8fvStMJ_HMlBKWwq3SVdoOED0lOpBBSmgGwtQ/edit?usp=sharing
urban swift
We need a Emote for the supportive shade
hollow lichen
how do i choose between gods pride and gods legacy
i dont even know what a legendary is
tardy adder
Collection of posts I've made in the server about the final boss: https://docs.g...
Thanks
hollow lichen
is there ever a reason to get cst boons
cast
boons
the game definitely leads you to certain builds if you chose certain boons
or weapons
interesting
hardy spear
the game definitely leads you to certain builds if you chose certain boons
uhh no?
not really
rustic vale
how do i choose between gods pride and gods legacy
Pride > legacy
rustic vale
is there ever a reason to get cst boons
On aspects that buff casts
or to unlock certain duos
As per usual I am a bit late
hollow lichen
yeah im 4000 darkness in and cast isnt very strong with my unlocks at the moment
except to trigger the debuffs
rustic vale
Yeah it’s main purpose on non-castpects (cast based aspects) is triggering boiling blood and being a core slot to unlock duos
on castpects it’s a different story
high island
Yeah it’s main purpose on non-castpects (cast based aspects) is triggering boili...
It's good damage, too.
And sometimes it's Flood Shot + Breaking Wave for Satyr tunnels.
rustic vale
Fair
mortal bough
Hey this is super random, but does anyone know if the vinyl for the OST will ever come out again?
buoyant valley
I’m so upset 😭
I had an amazing ||aspect of dem|| build going. Dio on attack, arty on special, splitting headache, rolling knuckle and explosive upper and I still died to the final boss
buoyant valley
oh excuse me lmao
I literally became a nuke everytime I got giga cutter
like 1000+ damage easily
I died cuz I smell bad
buoyant valley
yeah I played the game a while ago and got the epilogue
hardy spear
ah cool
buoyant valley
I’m playing through it again
hardy spear
new save file?
buoyant valley
mhm
hardy spear
hell mode?
buoyant valley
nah just normal
latent moon
it do be like that
buoyant valley
I attempted 32 heat back when I was playing first time
never got past elysium
i do wanna go for it again
latent moon
i'm still going for all aspects but god i hate gilga
vital tapir
my first win on hell mode was 50 heat lmao
omg same
hardy spear
i'm still going for all aspects but god i hate gilga
what if merciful end also procced maim
rustic vale
Wouldn’t be good enough
latent moon
that'd still require using gilga
which is horrid
the attacks are so slow
dashes suck
hardy spear
my idea now
tiny nimbus
Can't ask this one on the channel for new players because of spoilers but I can'...
gitgud
livid pulsar
bruh a flame wheel spawned on top of me while doing a erebus gate
didn't even had time to react
rustic vale
Should’ve preemptively reacted
amber hawk
the bow with the aspect of chiron is the most balanced thing for the enemies
manic bobcat
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/1e2o6x8mdL4
that was actually so sick
latent moon
the bow with the aspect of chiron is the most balanced thing for the enemies
have you considered 5 rockets to the face
sly ridge
will you change your ways? or will you weep for forgiveness to an audience of deaf ears?
latent moon
like you do every other boss: learn his attack pattern
the earlier you fight him, the harder it will be because your build is less developed
in tart you'll have very few boons, in aspho you'll have a bit more, in ely you'd be the strongest
manic bobcat
They might mean literally how to trigger the fight
amber hawk
thanks
twilit lodge
And then steal his lunch money
Only from midshop never from the shop right before boss
high island
Only from midshop never from the shop right before boss
Calling his shop mid to his face might also trigger a fight.
twilit lodge
Charon probably up to date on internet slang so yeah
rustic vale
Charon probably has a cellphone with 6g connection
manic bobcat
i'll kick his ass in a one v one, hippie looking arse
latent moon
yeah get his ass
manic bobcat
ill try thanks for the support
latent moon
lmk if you need a hand
high island
lmk if you need a hand
Thanks, I have two.
latent moon
could always use a third
tired sundial
aaagh, how the hell do i get rip current and blown kiss
i'm 200+ hours in the game already, why do i never get them
void vigil
for rip current you just need to get poseidons call and then hope you see it, similarly, for blown kiss you just need aphrodites cast
but thats all the requirements
it also took me a really long time to see blown kiss so i get you 
tired sundial
oof...
guess i'm just incredibly unlucky with those two
(also i hate aphrodite's cast)
sonic grove
Only from midshop never from the shop right before boss
huh. the first time i triggered it, was in the room before the furies. guy was even nice enough to give me a free hammer for my efforts
unless i somehow ran into a shop right before the last room, though i don't exactly remember anymore since that was long ago
rustic vale
Fairly certain you cannot get 2 shops in a row
high island
Charon fight counts as a chamber.
royal fern
whoever reccomened the eris cluster rocket thank you
killed hades in like 40seconds
or more idk what a good time is but it was quick
high island
40s or less is pretty good.
foggy frigate
am i crazy or is spear the only viable weapon?
tired sundial
you're crazy
old dawn
^
icy knoll
all the weapons are viable at low heat or just to clear
and like a quarter of them are viable at high heat or speedrunning
high island
All aspects have cleared 52+ Heat unmodded and 54+ modded.
dull niche
and all aspects have at least sub7 unmodded
latent moon
chaos arthur gilga and chiron i believe
raw herald
(Modded)
dull niche
yes but that’s modded
latent moon
right yeah modded
raw herald
Chaos and Arthur are very close
latent moon
chaos is 6:01 lmao
dull niche
Chiron gonna be the holdout lmao
latent moon
arthur is 6:03
dull niche
also this definitely depends on what u mean by “viable” since it’s been proven you can clear some very respectable milestones with anything
latent moon
normal people only want to clear 32 heat lmao
not everyone's insane enough to want to clear past that
so every aspect is pretty viable
dull niche
yea
latent moon
eh
not really
at that point it depends on the pact and mirror
sometimes
pstatus, olympian favor, legacy
dark regen in some cases probably because they're not using lc4
latent moon
For eris and luci you want Zeus attack, same with zag rail unless you get spread fire. Then you either build ME or some % attack on it
For hestia you start tidal dash, every time you reload you dash immediately to cancel the reload animation
Take any epic % attack boon that isn't tempest strike in Tartarus, if you don't have one leaving Tartarus you can take either shackle or Aphrodite and hope to get her attack
hardy spear
hestia is hard until it isnt
it kinda just started making sense to my fingers after a couple days
latent moon
Hestia is hard to go fast imo
It's a very simple concept to grasp
Oh also a big one
If you're on kbm turn off aim at cursor
Let auto aim do the work
It's much more accurate and faster
high island
For hestia you start tidal dash, every time you reload you dash immediately to c...
Use Special during every other reload.
latent moon
Use hestia then because you always know when to reload lol
Hestia is probably one of the more intensive aspects in the game if you're trying to min-max but for casual playing it's just reload and shoot
With a special every now and then
hardy spear
Use Special during every other reload. <:tizomg:456913427588317184>
and weave in casts between those
high island
If you just simply do what the best Hestia players would do in any situation, you'll be one of the best Hestia players in no time.
Something to think about.
latent moon
If you do what zyruvias does you'll basically be zyruvias
high island
Exactly.
raw herald
Why didn’t I think of that
rustic vale
Hestia is probably one of the more intensive aspects in the game if you're tryin...
Omg I didn’t realise you were Bananas because you weren’t banana dolphin
high island
Why didn’t I think of that
Some people are better thinkers than others.
rustic vale
It's Christmas season buddy
Photoshop a santa hat onto banana dolphin?
latent moon
I don't have photoshop or image editing software
latent moon
I don't have the pic on my phone so you'll have to give me a bit
rustic vale
that’s fine
latent moon
But I will later lol thanks
high island
I don't have the pic on my phone so you'll have to give me a bit
What bit do you want to be given?
latent moon
Wdym
raw herald
What’s bit
latent moon
Bit nutz gottem
high island
What’s bit
Oh, a what's bit. Why didn't he just say so?
manic bobcat
I will be that guy and tell you it's "a bit of time"
hardy spear
you mean a byte?
twilit lodge
A chomp of time
fallow tusk
@latent moon how do you use the aspect of bananas?
latent moon
with force
latent moon
simply hit the enemy
fallow tusk
but how
fallow tusk
simply hit the enemy
there are enemies in this game?
latent moon
yes
fallow tusk
hit the button
but with which boon
latent moon
yes
latent moon
np
fallow tusk
@twilit lodge how do you use the aspect of bingus
rustic vale
https://tenor.com/view/discord-reply-discord-reply-off-discord-reply-gif-2215076...
I don’t see that button anywhere, how odd
rustic vale
Unpinging an @ is truly something everyone should know how to do, because it’s definitely definitelt possible
twilit lodge
Truly
hardy spear
is it really that annoying?
dusky solar
its quite shrimple really
dusky solar
Me neither
like this
dusky solar
no!
you reply to someone but you CLICK ON THE BUTTON SO IT SAYS OFF SO IT DOESNT PING THEM
like THIS
latent moon
not me resisting the temptation to ping for no reason
twilit lodge
Like this!
vital tapir
realized i only have two aspects left until i’ve done them all on 40 heat
achilles and eris 🤔
twilit lodge
Eris 40 heat challenge: impossible
latent moon
just skip all the rooms
vital tapir
real talk achilles might be my worst aspect
latent moon
mood
rustic vale
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1012840822145810435/1049521669452087346/i...
I don’t think I understand
twilit lodge
👀
dusky solar
I don’t think I understand
i swear i will block you the button is RIGHT THERE
rustic vale
i swear i will block you the button is RIGHT THERE
high island
Eris 40 heat challenge: impossible
Yeah, it's not a challenge.
spare tartan
This game has so much dialogue
I kept track of it until i beat the game
And got the true ending
feral belfry
raw herald
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1012840822145810435/1049521669452087346/i...
Ngl I didn’t even notice the @ went away when you don’t reply ping
tired sundial
fallow tusk
Unpinging an @ is truly something everyone should know how to do, because it’s d...
but isn't the point of replying to ping someone
tired sundial
not in a continuous active conversation
rustic vale
but isn't the point of replying to ping someone
I was making a joke about how if you @ someone you can’t just… turn it off… unlike a reply
Kind of defeats the purpose of @ing someone
tired sundial
you're just doing it on purpose, aren't you
rustic vale
you're just doing it on purpose, aren't you
👍
fallow tusk
not in a continuous active conversation
ofc it is
small plinth
there's something odd in Hades, Demeter is considered goddess of seasons
I thought she was the goddess of agriculture
and Horae the goddess of seasons
high island
Lady Demeter was also called bringer of seasons and such. There is no one canon, it changed a lot between regions and over time.
The Marvel and DC universes are good contemporary analogies, I suppose. Lots of different interpretations of the same characters.
small plinth
Oh I see that makes sense
small plinth
you make a fair point xD
she's his consort as well no?
well yea
but he had many
including Persephone
yea
Greek myth man
full of weird stuff
buoyant valley
oh god I’ve made a mistake
i never played lucifer because I thought you were completely immobilized while firing it
I’ve missed out
high island
It's great. It just suffers from not being Eris or Hestia.
buoyant valley
I recently had a Eris run with heart rend and cluster rocket bomb and god damn
I’m dumb though, I put arty on attack and aph on special
latent moon
I mean it's not the worst thing in the world lol
oh wait
eris with a % bonus on the attack
buoyant valley
yeah 😭
it wasn’t terrible, I think I still had pressure points so my special did occasionally cause a world rending explosion
latent moon
tmw you crit clockets onto dad for 2 damage
twilit lodge
i never played lucifer because I thought you were completely immobilized while f...
I mean, you are…
Aren’t you?
Am I having a boomer moment
fallen fjord
is achiles spear a lot better than Zag?
you can kinda do same things with the build if you want with both of those?
lunar moth
In my opinion achilles is the best aspect
Zag spear though is agreed to be one of the worst zags
So I believe you are right
fallen fjord
I mean it doesn’t really play much different tho right? You’d be using your special more frequently because of the buff but you don’t have to use a special build right?
lunar moth
Of course
With Zag spear you HAVE to use one
With achilles it's only your choice what to do
fallen fjord
oh that’s way better cuz I like getting flurry hammer and stabbing stuff lol
lunar moth
These are the hammers that carry
If you don't get them you're fine
But if you do
Father says good-bye
high island
Achilles is way better than Zag Spear.
fallen fjord
i have all weapons
fallen fjord
i keep getting to daddy but i am always low on hp or revives so ill eventually get him
lunar moth
Spend all blood on achilles and soon enough you will escape
high island
i keep getting to daddy but i am always low on hp or revives so ill eventually g...
Are you using Acorn for him?
fallen fjord
yea im going to do achilles and also hera bow
high island
Hera better.
lunar moth
Not related to his... fanworks...
lunar moth
Hera is good comparing to the others
fallen fjord
i just unlocked acorn. I havent unlocked many keepsakes tbh cuz i forget to give it to gods
high island
Yeah, use the Acorn in the Temple of Styx. That'll help a lot with Hades
lunar moth
Ik it takes long but even 3 hits are important
high island
Just doing more runs and upgrading your mirror etc. will help a lot anyway.
Plus practice, of course.
lunar moth
Yeah cuz it's a roguelike
latent moon
you can kinda do same things with the build if you want with both of those?
i mean some builds are the same but achilles can lean way more into cast damage like lightning phalanx, hunting blades, or meme beams
lunar moth
True
high island
Or do Crystal Clarity build with Achilles and you can skip the practice part.
lunar moth
True
high island
i mean some builds are the same but achilles can lean way more into cast damage ...
Even when the builds are the same, one of them has +150% Attack damage at max level.
latent moon
yeah ik
but when you do stuff like flurry jab lightning strike or ME it's still gonna be the same core build for those two
with achilles you just have to keep the 150% bonus up
high island
I wasn't explaining it to you lol dw. Just adding to what you said.
lunar moth
Even when the builds are the same, one of them has +150% Attack damage at max le...
I love doing one-shot spins
These are fun
Some say that they are better with hades but
high island
I don't remember the last time I did a spin on Achilles Aspect.
lunar moth
These sweet 150 on the first hit not second
lunar moth
I don't remember the last time I did a spin on Achilles Aspect. <:tizomg:4569134...
Well you go and try right now
latent moon
iirc the punishing sweep bonus damage doesnt apply to spins lmao
latent moon
Well you go and try right now
spins on spear are kinda mediocre lmao
lunar moth
What's the best aspect in your opinion then
latent moon
for speed or heat or casual
high island
I don't need to try it now. I've played longer than all of you together lol. There's not really anything I haven't tried.
lunar moth
It just looks like you either say "op" or "useless" on absolutely anything
lunar moth
for speed or heat or casual
Generally
latent moon
in general it's gonna be beowulf or eris
lunar moth
I don't need to try it now. I've played longer than all of you together lol. The...
I can believe that
latent moon
It just looks like you either say "op" or "useless" on absolutely anything
also a lot of stuff in this game is outclassed by other things, and some things are just straight up not great
latent moon
chaos shield and hades spear
high island
Generally, Zag Sword is best because it's the only one that can be used in any category, so the others don't qualify.
latent moon
fun doesn't mean good
lunar moth
Hades? Well
Never loved it
But they say it's good
Maybe they are right at some point
latent moon
also a lot of shield hammers are outclassed by the fact that charged shot just exists and the special on the shield sucks on all of them except zeus shield
latent moon
But they say it's good
who's "they"
high island
Chaos Aspect is base shield with a different look.
lunar moth
My friends
latent moon
i mean if you want to do a spin build then hades spear is probably better
but it's still meh
high island
Even the best Hades Aspect player doesn't say it's good.
latent moon
lmao yeah ever other spear is better
latent moon
that's not very constructive
latent moon
oh yeah that thread came up today lmao
what pact conditions are the worst
haelian said ap2 and ri
a bunch below him are saying td lmao
high island
Spear, Sword, and Fists generally kinda suck compared to the other weapons.
high island
Yup. Unless it's a shield.
latent moon
shield rail and bow are much better because they have some sort of range (not shield special but charged shot lol [and also block is busted])
high island
Too high risk for too low reward.
latent moon
eris is melee
spread fire zag rail too
hesty lowkey melee because you want to utilize tidal dash
dull niche
hestia is still the most ranged rail lmao
latent moon
hestia is still the most ranged rail lmao
yeah that's fair lmao
most ranged melee rail
buoyant valley
aspect of zag fists should just be him barehanded
fallen fjord
is there a resource where i can see how to get duo boons and legendary boons? I dont think its avil in my codex yet
rustic vale
It should be in codex if you go to a god’s page
There should be the option to look at they’re entire list of boons
Otherwise the Hades wiki is accurate for prerequisites
fallen fjord
There should be the option to look at they’re entire list of boons
oh perfect i got it thx a lot m9
umbral summit
Back to the chaos fish hunt
fallen fjord
Anyone have recommendations on how to spend diamonds first?
i have 2
should i wait to do deluxe contractors desk
or fishing
idk if fishing or the desk is better
livid pulsar
fishing, fishes can get you extra resources
in particular diamonds if you fish in the surface
a lot of the deluxe desk costs diamonds so...
umbral summit
You also want to unlock fishing early so you can get started on the fish section of the journal
Darn, got my hopes up
Had a well and a chaos gate in the same room, but 2 rerolls didn't get me the fishing item
livid pulsar
you can buy an upgrade to the contractor desk that gives more stuff, it's available pretty early on
you need it to get EM4, darker thirst, and the bonus rewards on each type of chamber
umbral summit
Figures. Got early Asphodel Huge Catch, but 0 chaos portals or lights of ixion in all of asphodel and elysium
Is there a limit to the number of chaos portals outside of light of ixion?
rustic vale
there isn't a limit to the # of chaos portals I believe
outside of the number of chambers that can contain them
vital tapir
it’s just limited by # of chambers since last chaos i believe
rustic vale
I don't remember there being a limit to # of chambers since last chaos
I know it's a thing for fish but
idk about it being a thing for chaos
umbral summit
I got 2 chaoses in Tartarus, and was wondering if it was blocking natural ones from appearing later
fallen fjord
where is surface fishing? after u deal w dad?
rustic vale
fishing spots in greece yeah
fallen fjord
if you are playing achilles spear, already have 1 hammer of flurry. Is triple spear or serrated point better for a relatively low skill cap player
i suppose triple right
high island
Avoid Serrated Point if you have Flurry.
I warned you about that before, pretty sure.
fallen fjord
oh good call thats what i thought. Im reading literally 15 tabs and i get confused
high island
Serrated Point on its own is fine, although not as good as Flurry Jab.
fallen fjord
im trying to learn synergies it hard but i have been finding maybe just playing more and not spending 1.5 hr reading guides along the way is worse than just playing
rustic vale
Flurry good, serrated discount flurry so good, flurry + serrated = bad
fallen fjord
achilles seems really good i only done 1.5 runs and realized that viscious skewer and zues stuff was carrying hard but my build was all over the place so it was a bit trash
high island
But if you already have Flurry Jab, then changing your Dash-Strikes with Serrated Point will hurt your DPS, and reducing dash distance will hurt mobility and survivability (shorter dashes => less i-frames).
fallen fjord
yea reducing my dash really hurt
high island
im trying to learn synergies it hard but i have been finding maybe just playing ...
Well, trying to absorb as much knowledge as you can isn't gonna hurt you. But you need the practice and experience as well, and you only get that by playing.
fallen fjord
yea for sure...
rustic vale
I have all the knowledge except for the bits Nyaanyaa corrects me on
fallen fjord
my synergy knowledge is trash but been trying to peek codex every time for a few mins before selecting
high island
I have all the knowledge except for the bits Nyaanyaa corrects me on
So... except for all your knowledge?
rustic vale
So... except for all your knowledge?
Only some of it
high island
It's good to be optimistic.
rustic vale
Next thing I know Nyaanyaa’s going to tell me A^2+B^2 != C^2, and be right
rustic vale
It's good to be optimistic.
Agreed
high island
~~Next thing I know Nyaanyaa’s going to tell me A^2+B^2 != C^2, and be right~~
Well.
In geometry, the convention is that capital letters are used for points.
rustic vale
let's go
Tbf I was holding down shift for like that entire section, didn't think about it
that's cosine law
not pythagorean theorem
high island
But if I tell you that a² + b² != c², naturally I am right because I have not defined a, b, nor c in any way except for that relationship.
high island
Imagine being corrected when making a joke about being corrected about something you think is undeniably wrong.
fallen fjord
well
i appreciate you both
🙂
thx for input and help always. I know there is effort and learned skill involved.
amber hawk
Any tips for the final boss Ive been struggling with the boss what can I do?
amber hawk
what specifically are you having issues with?
general problem
amber hawk
oh thats convenient
rustic vale
tbf I never specified anything as Nyaanyaa Mewmew pointed out
rustic vale
Yes
vital tapir
yea
rustic vale
Upgrading companions who you get from gifting people ambrosia
Resource director
there is probably a work order I’m forgetting that wants it
fallen fjord
is a titan blood for one ambrosia early good trade tho
if im trying to unlock next lvl for weapon aspect
for instance
rustic vale
Eh
high island
It's not a bad idea.
If it was a bad trade, we would have pushed back hard in early access.
You'll be trading in Keys for Nectar and then Nectar for Ambrosia in the future anyway because there'll be no other use for them.
rustic vale
the only resource that matters is darkness tbf
fallen fjord
best newbie friendly hera bow cast? I am using aphrodite and i literally dont see it doing any effect
i guess u gotta be super close or something?>
doesnt make sense to me
wait u have to cast?
to make it work?
rustic vale
wait u have to cast?
Yes you have to hit cast to load the cast
So change your cast button to something more comfy to use when you use hera
rustic vale
Aphrodite cast is pretty much the best hera cast because it has big base damage and hera solves all the range problems with it
You don’t have to change tour cast button
But it makes it easier to play
saying that while never remapping my cast off the god awful button it is to use by default
fallen fjord
i mean im ps5 controller