h1-discussion

[serene shadow]

seeing so many pop up at once when you just do heat that you haven't done

[latent moon]

50 heat kinda fun

[serene shadow]

I will hard disagree cause I hate fast GemStones lasers

[latent moon]

just take the damage and reset hp with SD lmao

[twilit lodge]

Wut

You only get one blood per meg kill

Unless you’re using a mod

[serene shadow]

Mod just lets me do 16 heat and get all the rewards I would've gotten anyways

I forget which one does that

Is it stupid? Absolutely

is it fun to see? Absolutely

[latent moon]

should've just done 20 and get them all over with tbh

speedrunning bounties

[serene shadow]

I'm Saving 20 for when I get beowolf

Still haven't gotten it

Got Guan Yu already

[latent moon]

beo moment

[twilit lodge]

What a silly mod

[serene shadow]

oh it is

I didn't even intentionally get ir

[latent moon]

get the speedrunning mod

it'll be fun

[serene shadow]

I just don't know

which mod does that

is the problem

I just cranked myself to 15 heat for the challenge

[twilit lodge]

Modded gameplay moment

[serene shadow]

was pleasantly surprised

with the stacks of blood I got

It was the appropriate amount thankfully so

didn't full on cheat it from there

[latent moon]

use the speedrun modpack and dont change any settings so you never unlock gilga

[serene shadow]

i don't like those mods that much

[serene shadow]

Why.

[latent moon]

because it's funny

[serene shadow]

Why you say these things

[latent moon]

but speedrun modpack is actually so nice

[serene shadow]

I haven't

checked it out quite yet

I have only Olympus Extra plus PonyQoL

Olympus extra for well, I like having more gods

[latent moon]

ponyqol is like varioius balnace changes isnt it

[serene shadow]

Not really

there ARE cheats you COULD enable

but mostly it doesn't do much except for

give ya health bar numbers

of which btw

Lernie has 6900 health

Plud golden urn notifications

[latent moon]

oh nvm it's not balance changes

it's legit qol stuff lmao

[serene shadow]

And weapon room change

during the after boss rooms

but I don't use that

[twilit lodge]

Nice

[serene shadow]

I'm actually

tryna figure out how to disable the weapon room change

cause I would never use it

cause I do build per weapon so, wouldn't help me at all

The best mod I like as a QoL change however

is more darkness the higher your heat is

that one

I like

as well Adamant Rail auto-reload when empty

i don't understand why that wasn't an option in the first place

other than to skill gap people for not looking at their ammo counter

[covert sentinel]

can I ask how to proceed through the locks on Zeus? I've read that you need to get 4 god's opinions of him however, I'm not sure how do I trigger those dialogues

[rustic vale]

Just

Talk to people

Hades rng dialogue moment

[brisk trail]

are different league and bronze skin just garbage boons that no one uses?

do they have any purpose to them other than a slight protection boon for beginners?

[latent moon]

bronze skin is actually garbage, different league isn't too bad

different league gets added onto the 30% damage reduction from weak, and if you have an aphro core you're typically gonna want to use it unless you took her cast to fill a slot

also different league can't be pommed, where bronze skin can be

different league is just better in every single way, but it's not something you look for

prob decent at high heat tho

considering it's the only additive damage reduction (as long as they're weak)

[rustic vale]

You’ve mistaken different league with broken resolve I believe

[latent moon]

i have not

i used the bot

[rustic vale]

🤨

[latent moon]

oh awit

i read it wrong

lmfao

[rustic vale]

[latent moon]

okay yeah different league is just garbage

[rustic vale]

They’re free obols

[latent moon]

true

uc fodder

[rustic vale]

They are free obols if high rarity

[latent moon]

uc fodder no matter the rarity

[rustic vale]

fair

[latent moon]

heroic bronze skin is major stonks tbh

get bronze skin, have rare crop hit it, then sell heroic bronze skin

easy game

[rustic vale]

Pick it up again rinse repeat

[latent moon]

get epic bronze skin afterwards, get the eury upgrade, sell again

[serene shadow]

Pinoy??

[latent moon]

i mispelled "wait" lmao

[serene shadow]

bleh

[brisk trail]

whats even the difference between bronze skin and different league

[serene shadow]

Bronze skin is flat - DL is multiplicative ifrcc

@latent moon

fact check me on this.

[latent moon]

uh

all damage reduction is multiplicative

[rustic vale]

Both are multiplicative wdym

The difference is bronze skin is less but global, different league is more but only within a certain range of you

[brisk trail]

theres no reason to pick either of the 2 at all right??

unless they are of high rarity

[rustic vale]

UC fodder

[serene shadow]

DL has a higher scaling per rarity

is all I can see

[rustic vale]

Different league is a higher damage reduction compared to bronze skin
But it only works against enemies within a certain distance

I think that is more clear then what I said before

[serene shadow]

Yeah that difference is what sets them apart

[rustic vale]

Either way

Both are pathetic damage resistance

[brisk trail]

thats what i thought

[serene shadow]

Flamewheel release is the 2nd best Chiron well item.

[rustic vale]

After movespeed boosters and chaos guaranteers and other aspect subjective items

[latent moon]

i'd rather see flamewheel release in an ely well than any of that stuff except maybe chaos

unarmored flamewheels are such a pain

speedrunning wise anyways

[old dawn]

flamewheels are just pain

[serene shadow]

Flamewheels + Shield Elysian are

the worst rooms

I hate it.

especially if you're running benefits package

and they either get SPEES

SPEED

or that one trait that makes them duplicate on death

[serene shadow]

How do you guys rank Bosses by difficulty

I go

1. Hades
2. The loser King
3. Meg
4. Hydra

4. LERNIE

[raw herald]

When first trying to beat the game, probably hades > heroes > furies > lernie

[serene shadow]

sea

see

even at EM4

I don't find that it changes much

[raw herald]

Em4 is waaaaay harder than non em4 hades lmao

[serene shadow]

maybe Meg and Heroes swap places but then again

Well

I mean by relative difficulty ofc

EM4 hades

is a menace

surprised you find Lernie hard

even at mid heat tbh

Mid heat is like?

20+ Heat?

See

[raw herald]

Lernie is really tough at 50+

[serene shadow]

I don't find lernie hard at all

with anything

Maybe yeah 50+ heat when

Yeah

EM3

is permanent for me

[raw herald]

Also lernie is probably the only boss you’ll lose a dd to in speedruns

[serene shadow]

I don't really get what you mean

Other than Lernie

at some points jut decides

to be strategic

[raw herald]

The colour of lernies head makes a pretty big difference to difficulty

Trans lernie is pretty difficult

[serene shadow]

wdym?

[serene shadow]

Now

that's

that's a different story see.

Every

1/7 runs I'd say

And always

always too being on lava

when you're not really on lava

[dull niche]

losing a dd or 2 to dad by facetanking isnt uncommon either

[serene shadow]

I mean

I bought 3 death defiance

I'm using 3 death defiances

[raw herald]

Forgot non-Beowulf aspects existed, whoops

[rain flint]

imagine using anything but excalibur

[high island]

I don't rank bosses, I am the boss. 👸🏽

[serene shadow]

I don't believe your name is Artemis

[dusky solar]

me losing a DD to the fury because im rusty as all hell:

(only ever happens on alecto, but yeah)

[lean timber]

my name is skylar white, yo

[rain flint]

your name reminds me of the keepsake tier list I made

[lean timber]

LOL

[rain flint]

I don't remember what I put conch shell as let me check

[dusky solar]

what does that have to do with hades

[lean timber]

my husband is walter white, yo

[dusky solar]

...

hello aspect of divine dash

[rain flint]

I put conch shell at b tier

wait no I didnt

I put it on c

I put most of the Olympian keepsakes on C

right in the middle

because I wouldn't ever use them but like

I don't think they're inherently bad

so C

right in the middle

[raw herald]

Conch shell is S

For me

[latent moon]

Conch shell kinda sucks

Tdash and flood flare sucks

[lean timber]

all god keepsakes are A tier

true...

[serene shadow]

Hestia

[latent moon]

Nasty dash tho

[serene shadow]

If we include mods

[rain flint]

what the HECK is tart

[serene shadow]

Hestia places Dio at A tier

[latent moon]

Tarta

Rus

[serene shadow]

because Hestia sucks

[dusky solar]

tartarus

[latent moon]

I hit the enter button too early

[raw herald]

WHA

oh the god

[serene shadow]

Yeh

[dusky solar]

you have alerted the horde

[latent moon]

Hestia aspect kinda mid

[serene shadow]

Shhhh

Let me Tap Dash

Let me tap dash that opinion away

[rain flint]

oh wait are you talking about aspects now?

I was so confused

yeah I pretty much only use excalibur

[raw herald]

WH

[serene shadow]

I would exclusively

use beowulf

[dusky solar]

excal is fun but i just dont like it idk why

[serene shadow]

Because Excal is very WIN only

[latent moon]

You heard me

[serene shadow]

Bananas u crazy

[rain flint]

my second is uhh

[latent moon]

Hesty absolutely so mid

[dusky solar]

i mostly use gy, rama, zagbow, and zeus

[rain flint]

the gloves hidden aspect

[latent moon]

Gilga

[rain flint]

yeah

[dusky solar]

mm gilga is fun too

[serene shadow]

Why do you like Guan Yu.

I don't understand.

I legitimately Don't understand.

[rain flint]

imagine EVER using guan yu

EW

[latent moon]

Charged skewer goes hard

[dusky solar]

funny big stab go kill

[serene shadow]

Slow

that's all Guan Yu is

it is slow incarnate

[dusky solar]

yes but it hits like a truck

and it looks really cool

[rain flint]

which aspect do I use for the spear

[latent moon]

Achilles

[serene shadow]

Achilles

[dusky solar]

i really love using it, the range and everything is so nice

[serene shadow]

Because we're cultured

and not a heathen Guan Yu user

[rain flint]

I actually might use the aspect of Achilles I can't remember

[latent moon]

If we were cultured we wouldn't use spear

[dusky solar]

zagspear is okay, achilles is funny and a bit cheesy, hades is underrated, and gy is gy

[serene shadow]

We're cultured enough when we're forced to use it.

[latent moon]

Im not touching spear anymore

I got them all at 32 heat and that's enough for me

And a sub10

[dusky solar]

zagspear probably the best of the zag weapons tbh

[latent moon]

Nope

[serene shadow]

wh.

Buddy

[raw herald]

Rail imo

[rain flint]

yup I use the Achilles spear

[latent moon]

Bow or shield

Or rail

[serene shadow]

Shield exist

[raw herald]

But technically zagspear has the fastest speedrun out of the zags

[dusky solar]

mmm... except bow. zagbow good.

[rain flint]

I use the shield of Zeus I think

[serene shadow]

But didn't they have

god levels of rng

[latent moon]

MoMEnt

[serene shadow]

Or am I remembering smth different

[rain flint]

yeah I use zeus

I have a question actually

[serene shadow]

I love Beowulf

Goes hard bonk.

[lucid elk]

I'm in love with this game help me.

[raw herald]

Shacklement

[lucid elk]

I need to stop playing

[dusky solar]

but zagrail like doesnt really compare to eris and zagshield doesnt even hold a flame to beo, zagspear is pretty on par with the other spears.

[serene shadow]

nope

no can do

Turn on personal liabilities

that should help

[lucid elk]

I'm begging you I stay up until 3am when I play

[rain flint]

what are your guys like normal run times looking like

[lucid elk]

50 min?

[serene shadow]

a measly 23 mins

[lucid elk]

40?

[latent moon]

About 10

[lucid elk]

I play passively

[serene shadow]

best is 20

but that's cause I don't bloody pause enough.

[rain flint]

cus I always got like 15-20 minutes in a run and when I posted them in the server I was in people were always really surprised

[lucid elk]

But um... I've never gotten past the bull man

[dusky solar]

casually? 30 mins. when im going for time? like 20 on a good one. sometimes almost 18.

[high island]

https://youtu.be/uimm3d9Ce_E

[void vigil]

my runs are about 20 mins and my best is 15

[serene shadow]

nu

[latent moon]

A good run for me is 9 lmao

[raw herald]

Low 7s

[serene shadow]

nu i refuse

[lucid elk]

But I've never died in Asphodel and I'm really proud of that.

[serene shadow]

Guan Yu can't be good.

[raw herald]

I could push my avg to sub 7 if I tried

[lucid elk]

Any heat?

[serene shadow]

I refuse!!

[dusky solar]

danjago how in the hell did you manage to spend 40-50 minutes in a single run without even getting out of ely

[raw herald]

But I’m not there yet

[serene shadow]

docted!!!

[rain flint]

but I genuinely don't know how to go slower than that like what do you guys even do

[lucid elk]

Because I'm baf

[serene shadow]

I STRAIGHT UP REFUSE NO!

[lucid elk]

*bad

[serene shadow]

You'll get better

[rain flint]

but yeah I think my best time is like 15 minutes

maybe 13 I can't remember

[serene shadow]

Man I would've gotten

[dusky solar]

you will get better if you keep playing, thats just a bit unusually slow.

[serene shadow]

an easy 16 minute rail time

[high island]

My average Hera runs were about 7:40 when I tried for a couple days, all sub 8.

[lucid elk]

IDK I keep throwing on easy enemies, and don't have enough health for the boss.

[serene shadow]

BUT THAT RUN WAS MY CLEAR RUN

[dusky solar]

yeah, that happens

[serene shadow]

I'm still pissed that my god run was a clear run.

[lucid elk]

I'ma get it one day though, I'm going for all achievements, is it hard?

[latent moon]

No

[dusky solar]

what does a clear run mean

[lucid elk]

Ok

[serene shadow]

10 clears.

Hades

[lucid elk]

I'm still confused

[dusky solar]

awwww that hurts

[serene shadow]

well Dan

i can't tell you

its beeg spoile

[rain flint]

I think my first completed run was 16

[raw herald]

Dang lucky

[serene shadow]

so Imma use the spoiler thing

[raw herald]

I had so much variance when I did no reset

[dusky solar]

i wont go into why, but theres no final boss on your tenth completion

[raw herald]

Even croven got a couple real stinkers

[serene shadow]

||this||

[raw herald]

(7:55)

[lucid elk]

Oh cuz he gives up? I haven't seen a full play through this game in years

[latent moon]

smh

[lucid elk]

Actually don't answer that

[serene shadow]

||I had a cluster build that was ready to rip him to shreds.||

[dusky solar]

i wasnt going to.

[dusky solar]

✊😔

[high island]

Oh, I think I might have reset a couple that had horrible starts.

[raw herald]

Right

[lucid elk]

I kinda wanna click on that

[dusky solar]

its not much but just dont

[serene shadow]

||But noooo, ofc it was my 10th clear.

I had full hp, 3 death defiances, and godly build that I don't even have anymore cause its so far back now.||

[lucid elk]

Also I gave up in a run, and when I did it again it gave me the same starting boon thing

I'm angy

[raw herald]

I ended up getting a 2:29 tart for one of mine

[latent moon]

giving up keeps the same seed

[lucid elk]

So I just died on purpose

[latent moon]

you have to die to get a different start

[serene shadow]

You need to die intentionally

or just do what I did

[lucid elk]

What'd you do

[serene shadow]

and install the REAL GIVE UP BUTTON

[lucid elk]

Mods?

[latent moon]

or quick reset

[dull niche]

bro I had a 2:43 tart in one i was crying

[serene shadow]

Yep

[latent moon]

cringe

[lucid elk]

Ok

[latent moon]

fraud tbh

[dusky solar]

yeah thats why you have to have a death at the begginning of your speedrun sessions, otherwise it could be seed abuse

[serene shadow]

I'm trying to get a 1:50 tart

[latent moon]

sounds like pain

[serene shadow]

Idc about overall I just wanna sub 2 the furies

[latent moon]

big mood

[raw herald]

Tbh with no flurry shot or snow burst I can see that happening

Really bad c11 and 12

[dull niche]

ye that’s what happened

[lucid elk]

So you cannot do multiple speed running attempts on the same seed

[dusky solar]

i cant even sub 5 reliably

[serene shadow]

You can

[dusky solar]

(furies)

[lucid elk]

Oh

[serene shadow]

but on the SEEDES category

SEEDED

which doesn't require you to die

[lucid elk]

That makes sense

[serene shadow]

like on unseeded

[high island]

Since it's you, that's probably RTA.

[latent moon]

just use beo lol

[lucid elk]

Also I like range, but I also like a quick powerful close-up attack if it gets to that, would you recommend the bow or the spear

Because I've tried both and I like both equally

[serene shadow]

Bow

Bow is superior.

Rama goes brrr.

[latent moon]

neither have a "quick powerful close-up attack"

[high island]

Croven crying over needing a second longer RTA than we need IGT.

[lucid elk]

To me 50 damage is powerful

But bow takes too long to charge up

[serene shadow]

Buddy how far your mirror are you btw?

[serene shadow]

Quick tip, dash strike your bow

[high island]

That's probably just one Croven did slow on purpose to appear human.

[dusky solar]

i hate beo it is so goddamn boring

[lucid elk]

I mostly just upgrade the death defy thingies

[serene shadow]

so like

[lucid elk]

But I have I think four things left to unlock

[serene shadow]

Basic mirror or

[lucid elk]

Yeah?

[serene shadow]

Okays, so you're on 3rd set?

[latent moon]

you dont like one shotting enemies?

[lucid elk]

Yee

[serene shadow]

Beo for big PP damage

[dusky solar]

no, i dont like straight up free wins

[serene shadow]

literally

[serene shadow]

Now see

[latent moon]

beo isn't a free win at 32/40 heat lmao

[raw herald]

😭

[latent moon]

hm

[raw herald]

hmm

[serene shadow]

You aren't exactly free

[latent moon]

do you want to change that word or nah

[high island]

@serene shadow Guan Yu is probably like somewhere in the middle of the pack for speed tbh.

[dusky solar]

i used it ONCE and instaphased hades

[serene shadow]

dokkan player man

I use that word religiously

[dusky solar]

yeahhh TELL em

[latent moon]

mirage and rd do be like that

[raw herald]

Average brit

[latent moon]

carry on then

HAHA

[serene shadow]

I'm Asian.

[dusky solar]

i didnt even have mirage it was just regular trippy flare beo

[latent moon]

oh trippy flare is bugged on beo

so yeah makes sense

[latent moon]

as if britain didn't colonize asia too

[lucid elk]

Beo? ._.

[raw herald]

Beowulf

[latent moon]

beowulf

[serene shadow]

Well

[lucid elk]

O

[serene shadow]

Spain invaded mine

[dusky solar]

hidden aspect of the shield

[serene shadow]

so

[latent moon]

lmfao

[serene shadow]

No not that part of Asia

[lucid elk]

This game is complicated

[raw herald]

Indeed

[serene shadow]

I wouldn't say complicated

I'll say

very

very deep

[lucid elk]

Deeply complicated

[serene shadow]

it's a hole not a maze atleast

[latent moon]

anyways, continuing off this
poms give double the value of what they say, so 100 -> 140 is really 100 -> 180

[raw herald]

Hade

[serene shadow]

pretty straightforward but can be terrifying

[latent moon]

and each pom you get doesn't show the true value

[lucid elk]

Also do I go for bull man or shield man first

[latent moon]

you'll only get a true damage number from a replacement boon

[raw herald]

Yeah level 6 or so ends up being around 500 damage

[latent moon]

bull man

[raw herald]

It’s nutty

[lucid elk]

Ok

[serene shadow]

Bullman

but if you feel like disrespecting Theseus

I say go ahead.

[lucid elk]

I only caught on how to avoid his attacks by time I was basically dead

[serene shadow]

but if you want to keep your death defiances

[latent moon]

sometimes you accidentally kill theseus first lmao

[serene shadow]

then Bullman

[lucid elk]

He's so annoying because he was just randomly hit me out of nowhere and I'm like what

[lean timber]

lol sure

[serene shadow]

he is so weak.

[latent moon]

yeah

i think i killed him first on hestia one time and i was like "man i wasn't aiming for you"

[serene shadow]

I swear EM3 Theseus is a joke.

[lucid elk]

Also I don't do that much damage because I literally just Spam with the special

[serene shadow]

Vanilla Theseus do be harder

[lucid elk]

That may be why my runs are so long

[serene shadow]

I mean

special spam isn't uncommon

Ehem

Guan Yu users

ehem

👀

[lucid elk]

👀

[latent moon]

talos

[serene shadow]

hey hey hey

don't bring talos into this

its NOT THE SAME!

It's special!

[latent moon]

yeah you're right
it's special only

[serene shadow]

NOOOO!

Mercifel end build thou

On talos

think about it thou uh huh

Plus tidal dash for them repeat bounces for unnecessary damage

[latent moon]

i can never get the dstrike dupper combo on talos but i can get it on zag and dem fists lmao

is it because i'm bad or is talos just weird

[serene shadow]

Talos does act weird

is the thing

[latent moon]

very cool

[serene shadow]

Also I'm really waiting on artemis to notice Rama

Well not Rama

but gimme Rama

[latent moon]

have you tried getting rama

[lucid elk]

Best boon thingy is when ur special can reflect imo, such a lifesaver

[serene shadow]

Well

I have both Zag and Chiron maxed out

so

I should have it at some point

I prefer

[lucid elk]

You can play as CHARON????????????

[serene shadow]

Divine dash

Nope

[lucid elk]

Oh

[latent moon]

idk man as

[lucid elk]

[serene shadow]

Ignore literally everything here that you don't know cause its best you get it in game

[lucid elk]

I don't remember what divine dash does

[serene shadow]

I just like

being a menace to witch circles okay

they hurt me

But yeah most of the time I'm looking for either reflect special

or reflect attack

but Athena has been very

[raw herald]

Idk man

[serene shadow]

very stubborn lately so I haven't gotten merciful end

[lucid elk]

:(

[serene shadow]

In my runs as much as I wanted

Divine dash is reflect on dash

[lucid elk]

Also how old is Charon, does he have an age

[serene shadow]

Well

Suppose when the first greek person died

Finish the sentence.

my brain is going into overdrive finishing it.

Nyah

thank you

But I do somewhat disagree with Beowulf

cause atleast Beowulf blocks

and practically guarantees your one shot when you've built into it

[high island]

Beowulf broken.

Easy 50 Heat.

[serene shadow]

Also Arthur is great

Guan Yu is for masochists

[high island]

Excalibur is amazing until you're trying to go fast or do very high heats.

[serene shadow]

Yeah that's the thing

it do be slow.

[high island]

You said the same about Guan Yu.

[serene shadow]

But see

Arthur be slow

but it don't kill off

like 60 percent of your health

infact ifrcc it gives you a nice bit of DR for being slow

Maybe my opinion on Guan Yu will change if I ever use it again and not despite using it

[high island]

I wrote a guide for Guan Yu here if you're interested. #h1-discussion message

[twilit lodge]

Guan Ew

[serene shadow]

I see

and all I see is a build hungry aspect

I can tell it could be fun

But I'll see

i do still need to grind for Gilga - Rama and basically the other aspects apart from Guan Yu rn.

These voicelines are evil sometimes

[high island]

Build hungry?

[twilit lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/hangy-hungry-dark-crystal-eat-mouth-gif-17903788

[dusky solar]

i was able to use rama on Forced Overtime 2 but okay

oh

sorry

didnt realise

[latent moon]

rama on fo2 is fine

[dusky solar]

yeah but im bad

[latent moon]

Fair

[twilit lodge]

I’m talking about hades on another game’s server and there’s someone there who hates all weapons except excel

And thinks cursed slash excal is good

[dusky solar]

buh

i unironically like cursed slash zagsword tho

[latent moon]

Excel too is my favorite weapon

[dusky solar]

very fluid

[sudden arrow]

excel is my fave, but like....

fists

[latent moon]

I do love myself some spreadsheets

[dusky solar]

the zagsword is fun but im just not good with it, cant even get close to beating fo2 using it

[latent moon]

"thank god the hades community loves filling out spreadsheets" - forgot by who but one of the commentators for the bigp derby

[latent moon]

Me with like every aspect except beo and hesty

[sudden arrow]

spreadsheets???

[latent moon]

There was a point where some people did 50 speedruns without resets and made some pretty nice spreadsheets lmao

And a bunch of the records are in spreadsheets

[dusky solar]

when i wasnt rusty at the game i actually beat fo2 with rama

i think

did i?

i cant remember

[latent moon]

Probably

Rama chunks hard

[dusky solar]

mhmhm

can instaphase lernie with it

[latent moon]

And furies

And heroes

Probably dad too lmao

[dusky solar]

i have never instaphased heroes, i dont think i djd even on beo

[latent moon]

For rama if you get a line up with twin point blank/perfect shot and land the perfect shot then you can instaphase

[dusky solar]

theseus having the stupid shield pisses me off so much

[latent moon]

As long as you have shared suffering

[latent moon]

Beo needs mirage and rd lol

Or a fat trippy

[dusky solar]

i loke rama with fiery p. because you can shared suffering mark one enemy and then shoot at an undamaged enemy and watch them both blow up

[latent moon]

Ye

[dusky solar]

i still think its stupid that enemies with DC dont count as undamaged even though they take 0 damage

it frustrates me a ton

[latent moon]

This is why we don't take dc

Unless you get cucked by bp

And then fair enough

[dusky solar]

i used bp1 for a while

[latent moon]

Bp1 isn't too bad tbh

[dusky solar]

then i saw a speeder dc flame wheel and promptly turned it off forever

on fo2*

[latent moon]

Bp1 shouldn't have 2 buffs

[dusky solar]

well i had bp1 and dc

[latent moon]

Oh dc I misread that

Yeah this is why we don't use dc

[dusky solar]

it was a terrifying experience

[latent moon]

DC sucks

[dusky solar]

just speeder enemies in general can suck it

[latent moon]

Last time I used it was on Zeus shield and I still hated it even tho it's kinda free

[latent moon]

Speeder homing witches in aspho

Actually terrifying

[dusky solar]

dont say that ever again

[latent moon]

Lmfao

Speeder slugger bonerakers

I love getting stun locked

And getting shafted

Hp gone forever

[swift inlet]

How

Eris/Hera are free too

Achilles is poseidon but good so that's also free

In the sense that you really need a 3 god pool yeah

[high island]

Hades is free.

Literally.

Was a Christmas present.

[fallen fjord]

any small tips for what to look for when playing Bow in hades as a beginner? Best upgrades? (I have watched many vids and read 10 articles but its a ton of info) 🙂

[high island]

Do Dash-Strike Power Shots.

And only that.

Pretty much.

[sudden arrow]

gods I need to get better at dash-strikes

[high island]

Start Heartbreak Strike or Deadly Strike, then get more Attack and Dash-Strike damage from Master Chaos.

[sudden arrow]

I've survived this long without doing any haha

[high island]

Just dash and then hold Attack. It'll charge a lot faster than a normal bow Attack.

[fallen fjord]

what if you have an option between an early triple shot, perfect shot, or point blank shot?

[latent moon]

Just because they're free doesn't mean I'm not bad at them

[high island]

Triple.

[fallen fjord]

spank u

[high island]

Twin and Triple best.

[latent moon]

Hera requires actually good cast management and I forget to reload on eris

Oh Hera also needs good aim

[fallen fjord]

twin was a lil hard as noob cuz distance is nice

[twilit lodge]

Twin is busted

Even outside of hera where it’s extra busted

[swift inlet]

How do you have an easier time doing td2 with hestia than eris

Eris involves rolling your face across the controller/keyboard and now everything is dead

[high island]

Get close, bait melee attack, dash behind, charge Dash-Strike. Plus Twin Shot literally straight-up doubles your damage.

[swift inlet]

Twin isn't extra busted on hera, it doesn't double your casts

It's super good

But like

[twilit lodge]

Does it not?

Wrong msg

[swift inlet]

It's much more integral to rama

No, it doesn't

[twilit lodge]

I demand a refund

[swift inlet]

Otherwise it'd be beo sidegrade

[twilit lodge]

Twin flurry tho

Even if your casts are busy that still chunks

Which is nice

[swift inlet]

Yeah, it's definitely good

But it's not busted

Twin shot rama however

[twilit lodge]

Merely cracked

[swift inlet]

Getting 3k crits

[twilit lodge]

Explosive Rama 👌

[high island]

Hera fair and balanced and only the best players can main it.

[latent moon]

Thing is I know when to reload on hesty but on eris I'm just holding down m1

[swift inlet]

Source: croven

Imagine calling a cast weapon balanced

Most busted scaling in the game

[latent moon]

Eris the castpect

[twilit lodge]

Poseidon is a balanced castspect

[swift inlet]

Balanced by the fact that it's a sword

And manually throws casts

[latent moon]

Talos

[swift inlet]

Achilles gets away with being crackedspect castspect because hb + that juicy cast boost + best mobility in the game

no it doesn't

because you loaded multiple casts

mirage idk

But no that's not how it works

Otherwise it'd literally just be beo sidegrade

[acoustic cosmos]

[swift inlet]

You mean shot

if it's hera it's shot

[latent moon]

If it did do double casts then no one would use flurry first hammer

[swift inlet]

^

[acoustic cosmos]

Guys, what is your fav cast boon?

[swift inlet]

Depends

favorite cast on its own

Or with a duo

[acoustic cosmos]

On it's own

My fav is ares's bc spiiii

[swift inlet]

Oh boy I love waiting 15 years for my bloodstones/being forced into bad mirror

Crush shot on hera

e

z

[acoustic cosmos]

Demeters laser is also pretty good

[swift inlet]

so true

Dem laser deserves 15 buffs

[acoustic cosmos]

Laser is really good with duo

[swift inlet]

If they had glacial built in, crystal clarity was a t2 boon, and they changed her duos to give a different benefit then dem beams could be alright

[acoustic cosmos]

Hey guys

Leenie :]

[twilit lodge]

And icy flare did damage*

[swift inlet]

This buff basically means: Dem cast at base has higher uptime, does more damage, inflicts chill, tracks enemies better

Call in an orbital bombardment

[acoustic cosmos]

I love how hades helped me on my Polish lessons with mythology

[swift inlet]

The issue is that buffed dem beams = free low effort build

So

[high island]

Crystal Beam is perfectly fine as it is. One of most braindead EM4 fights if the build comes together.

[twilit lodge]

Not for trippy smh

[acoustic cosmos]

Laser goes brrrrrrrr

[twilit lodge]

Laser goes miss

[high island]

No it isn't.

[twilit lodge]

You have to actually aim for trippy beo

[acoustic cosmos]

Laser don go miss if it duo with critical god

[twilit lodge]

So it’s not as braindead as meme beams

[swift inlet]

Simply get triple hermes

For flurry cast + hd

[acoustic cosmos]

And also laser can be upgraded with freezing

[twilit lodge]

You have to dodge with beo too while trying to sim

Sim

Ffs

Aim

[acoustic cosmos]

[twilit lodge]

Aim

[acoustic cosmos]

Bouldy

[twilit lodge]

Dodging takes less than half a sec

You ain’t winning this

[acoustic cosmos]

[swift inlet]

why dodge

[twilit lodge]

Instaphase dad with your one trippy stone because you didn’t highroll hard enough

[swift inlet]

you're running beo

simply block

[acoustic cosmos]

Dusa is cuet, change my mind

[swift inlet]

It only applies to god boons, so no

[twilit lodge]

It can if you have two status curses on the enemy

[swift inlet]

Yeah

Actually

[twilit lodge]

But the shared suffering debuff is not a status curse

[swift inlet]

Who knows

@hardy ravine coders

woah

[twilit lodge]

Lmfao

[swift inlet]

that

was not showing

[high island]

Specifically, only the status curses in this list proc Privileged Status. https://hades.gamepedia.com/Status_effects#Status_Curses

[acoustic cosmos]

I like to experminent for the boons

[swift inlet]

Oh ok so enemy debuffs count

Me when I'm on pace for a sub7 instead of a sub6 because I didn't get rd

[acoustic cosmos]

I like every weapon in hades, they are nice :]

[swift inlet]

i'm simply experimenting with no rd beo

[acoustic cosmos]

Yes

Spear is least fun for me to use

I mostly like bow

Mostly zagreus

Alr me go to slep now

Cya

[twilit lodge]

Nn

[fallen fjord]

easiest weapon for noob to learn?

bow seems better than sword rn

but should i go for spear?

i heard when the game came out spear is OP

[high island]

Err.. I don't remember a time spear was ever OP.

[fallen fjord]

really

idk its been two years i opened the game today it said i haven't played in over 2 yrs lol

for some reason i left the game on the backburner

[lucid elk]

So he's very old

Oh it didn't @ the person I responded to...

[twilit lodge]

Nyaanyaa has been playing since the game was in early access I believe, so it’s more like “he’s wrong”

Spear was not OP when the game came out, and still isn’t OP

[latent moon]

Achilles kinda strong

If you know what you're doing

And get good rng

[fallen fjord]

are there ever runs where u start on the first thing u get u just end the run cuz it sucks?

[twilit lodge]

No because i use god keepsakes

[fallen fjord]

i know thats not proper rougelite ediquite

[twilit lodge]

But sometimes it’s a hammer start and then those can suck 😦

[dusky solar]

i like zagbow because the wide spread is perfect for applying a doom special to weave inbetween dash strikes its so good

[twilit lodge]

I like zagbow because you can pretend you don’t even have a special once you’ve leveled it up

But before you level it up it’s just pure pain

[high island]

Eh, just get one more Chaos boon than you usually do to make up for it.

[fallen fjord]

not to go off topic but have y'all ever played things like Risk of Rain 2 or Slay the Spire? Im going to guess once you gain knowledge in this game.... Its the same deal and the early stuff is laughable and you can do without any big buffs or advantages with ease right?

[twilit lodge]

With ease is maybe an overstatement

[high island]

Dash-Strike Power Shots don't have any downtime inbetween.

[twilit lodge]

But yes, experienced players can beat the game with no boons, for example

Or on the very first run of a fresh save

[dusky solar]

yeah but its still worth putting it in when its possible with doomspec

[high island]

Worth it... Not really. Not saying you can't make it work or it can't be fun, but objectively it's wasting time and leaving you more vulnerable than just chaining Dash-Strike Power Shots.

[twilit lodge]

Nyaanyaa the fun police

/j

[latent moon]

A dash strike with a good atk boon is gonna be doing more damage than a single doom proc
Sure you can get multiple enemies with a doom proc, but also now you lose fiery presence damage when you want to finish them off with dstrikes

Also special be slow

[high island]

Doing other attacks during cooldowns is generally how you optimize DPS, but in this case there's no cooldown because your dash already recovered during the attack charge.

[twilit lodge]

This is why zagbow is a rhythm game

[high island]

Hence why in speedruns or high heat we pretty much just spam Dash-Strike Power Shots. The Special has a niche in finishing off the odd enemy from point-blank when it's enough and it's the last enemy in a wave maybe in Tartarus.

As in, immediately after a Dash-Strike from point-blank.

Because the Special has faster startup.

[high island]

Just giving accurate information.

[latent moon]

And then you somehow not kill the point blank enemy and then you reset the run

[high island]

You can do what you want with the information.

I won't tell anyone not to use bow Special if they're having fun.

[high island]

Not me.

[livid pulsar]

bruh how do people do erebus gates with malphon its impossible

if there are flame wheels in there what you do? cope?

i stg i never got one with malphon and i try every time

[vital tapir]

i only take erebus gates in tart and only if i have some range

[rustic vale]

It’s not impossible if you don’t have a skissue

[livid pulsar]

i always play with 10 heat or more so i can take tart and asp erebus

[latent moon]

Don't use fists lol

[livid pulsar]

i can usually get them done but not with fists

[latent moon]

Spam casts or dash through pillars

[rustic vale]

Always play 10? That seems like an odd heat to play at

[livid pulsar]

but dark thirst

[livid pulsar]

you need 10 to get asphodel erebus gates

[latent moon]

Don't take erebus then

[rustic vale]

Unless it’s fo2 em2 td1 for rta

[livid pulsar]

this is the full extent of my reasoning, asphodel erebus gates cost 10 heat so i'm not adding a single extra

[rustic vale]

Idk

I range from 9 heat for speed, 20 for casual, 32 for challenge and 40 for I’m still trying to get 40 heat done

[livid pulsar]

i havent been playing for long enough to go above 10 :p

[rustic vale]

Then you should be trying to push it higher no?

[livid pulsar]

i am pushing it higher, i used to play at just enough for the bounties which for me is still around 3 or 4

10 is higher than that

[rustic vale]

Anyways take what i say as a grain of salt and play what you want

[vital tapir]

i wonder if i’ve finished any bounties yet

[livid pulsar]

did you kill a boss with 1 heat or more?

if yes then you did

[high island]

Kill them with Dash boon, Dusa or Skelly summon, casts. The pillars there don't really work too well tbh because they're so narrow.

[vital tapir]

i mean all bounties for a wep

50 heat still getting titan’s blood :bouldy

summon in erebus is so funny

[high island]

Also stay away from any enemies that spawn in case they're Flame Wheels or Chariots.

[rustic vale]

Sometimes you really want the blue rarity minimum hermes ig

[vital tapir]

why are ely erebus gates so insane by the way

mfw 2 super elite butterfly balls

[serene shadow]

I don't take alota erebus gates tbh.

[rustic vale]

Idk I often don’t take ely erebus gates because the reward isn’t worth it

[serene shadow]

^
This

best you can get

[vital tapir]

they’re also undoable

[serene shadow]

is a Lvl 2 pom

[rustic vale]

Best you can get is mimimum rarity rare hermes

[livid pulsar]

purple greater reflex moment

[serene shadow]

10/10 would sell my soul again

[high island]

Before I basically stopped played, I'd switched to Dusa full-time for high heat mainly for EM4 and Erebus.

[livid pulsar]

is dusa summon really good? dont most people use meg?

[warm nimbus]

meg is generally much better

[serene shadow]

Meg for that 2.5k

Burst

Also when does Hades allow you to use Meg again?

[warm nimbus]

you need 2 companions

one of them has to work for hades

[serene shadow]

Ah well

[vital tapir]

details on wiki

[livid pulsar]

and you need some hearts with hades

[serene shadow]

time to speedrun the dusa dating sim

[livid pulsar]

i have meg and than unlocked, idk which one to go for next

[serene shadow]

Bouldy.

No questions.

Bouldy.

[high island]

Meg is best for speedruns. At high heat, though, she solves problems I don't really need a summon for. Meanwhile Dusa makes Erebus comfy and can tank projectiles for me vs EM4 summon phase + petrify his summons when their armor is broken for easy kills.

Meg still popular at high heat, though, because she remains best for DPS, basically.

[livid pulsar]

lol i just got the theseus dialogue about pitting asterius against him while i'm doing a aphro legendary run :p

yes mate, thats the plan

[livid pulsar]

that makes sense, specially the summons, i imagine she can also break the urns and make them less annoying

[serene shadow]

I'm still afraid to turn on EM4 rn

with personal liabilities on

[livid pulsar]

im waiting until i can reliably beat EM3, which i still can't do

[serene shadow]

But

EM3 is alot easier than vanilla Theseus

[livid pulsar]

when i manage to get EM3 with all DDs a couple times in a row i'll try it

[serene shadow]

cause Theseus is usually not going for you

he's usually being an Donkey around the arena

[livid pulsar]

i find the lack of spear throws makes it easier, but asterius makes it harder enough to make up for it

[serene shadow]

I don't find Asterius

to be hard

he has some wide openings

I just get greedy tbh

his spinny attack thou

I usually just run from that

no need to challenge that

And theseus

his bombs are slow

so I don't really get hit by them much to care about them alot

Also

[livid pulsar]

well i do get hit by them a lot :/

[serene shadow]

dodging Asterius by dodging his qst attack and getting behind him is honestly key

cause from there you can dash away again and just not have to deal

with the next few swingd

His leap is also

incredibly easy with divine dash

and even if you don't you should really just get away from it

I do use Rail so

may not be the best option for you for smth like the blade

Thou shield

makes the entire encounter a joke

Like most things

Mwah, Beowulf, I adore you.

[high island]

I don't use her for the urns. I use her for phase 1 when he summons.

[rustic vale]

EM3 asterius is the real threat

For melee weapons at least

[serene shadow]

I'd say

He's tough

if you're not going for curse builds

[high island]

Dusa can help with the Wretched Sneak just fine. Meg saves more time, but Dusa still does a decent job. And she helps a lot more vs Sneak summons in EM4.

[serene shadow]

but I don't find the heroes difficult to the point I'm afraid of being taxed

plus

i hardly use zag blade so I'm chillin

[livid pulsar]

you use the summons for phase 1? i normally save them for the hardest phases on bosses

[high island]

EM3 is much more of a threat when you do HL5 LC4 FO2 and can die in like 2-3 hits.

Phase 1 is the hardest phase in EM4.

[serene shadow]

I suppose

I'll just keep beating up Theseus for all the shield shenanigans he instilled upon me

[livid pulsar]

really? why?

[latent moon]

The only hard parts about phase 2 and 3 of em4 are the pots

[vital tapir]

summons

[latent moon]

Summons are pain

[serene shadow]

Isn't phase 1 his insta summon phase

[latent moon]

Butterfly ball and sneak hurt a lot

[serene shadow]

Haven't fought EM4 hades just yet

Not eager to be torn a new one

[latent moon]

Wdym

[livid pulsar]

doesn't he summon in all phases?

[latent moon]

No

Just phase 1

[high island]

He summons at 66% HP and again at 33% HP in phase 1.

[serene shadow]

Technically Cerberus if you count him as a summon

[livid pulsar]

i know you people do sub 5 runs or whatever it is you hooligans consider a challenge but id like to say i got my first sub 20 so thats nice i guess

[serene shadow]

I mean congrats

an accomplishment is an accomplishment

I'm still salty about my first sub 19 being a clear run

[high island]

Congratulations!

[serene shadow]

oh yeah

what build did you use?

[livid pulsar]

aphrodite fists

[high island]

We all did our first sub 20 at one point.

Lady Aphrodite is the best.

[serene shadow]

Artemis exists.

[high island]

Lady Aphrodite is the main character.

[serene shadow]

No No

[high island]

https://clips.twitch.tv/PeppyCloudySnoodDoggo-1SiN8wRSl3hsg9j8

[livid pulsar]

with unhealthy fixation and curse of longing

[high island]

She says so herself.

[serene shadow]

she's the D Plot

[vital tapir]

i’ve never had a sub 20

[high island]

And even Dusa tells Zagreus that Lady Aphrodite is the main character: https://clips.twitch.tv/SpicyPerfectShingleKeyboardCat-xhn9Fpv0rzOGv5cf

[serene shadow]

I mean

most sub 20s fail

at Styx

cause of satyr sack shenanigans

[livid pulsar]

i got it in second tunnel

[serene shadow]

Yeah

That's why the speedrunning modpack exists to make satyr sacks spawn on 2nd tunnel ifrcc

[high island]

Well, it doesn't exist to get sub 20s.

But yes lol.

That is the real Lady Aphrodite in the clip btw.

And the real Dusa.

[livid pulsar]

i still dont get how people do sub 10s, i get happy when i leave asphodel in less than 10 minutes

and there's all of elysium and styx

[serene shadow]

i can't

[high island]

(also the real Ti'zo )

[serene shadow]

view the 1st clip

I hate twitch

[livid pulsar]

yeah i like seeing the VAs do stuff in character it's funny

[high island]

Practice. Practice, practice, practice.

[serene shadow]

that

[livid pulsar]

meg's VA has a tiktok and it's pretty cool too