#h1-discussion

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twilit lodge
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Yes, exclusively

acoustic bolt
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dang i haven't fished in ages

twilit lodge
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100/250/500 I wanna say

acoustic bolt
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i basically ignore all troves but i should stop that XD

twilit lodge
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I still need two common and one legendary from chaos

acoustic bolt
twilit lodge
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The only place I notice troves is ely

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And then I’m mad because they aren’t wells

umbral summit
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Oh gosh darn it; 2 Duo boons in one pool, but neither are ones I need for the prophecy

rustic vale
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9 heat is faster then no heat

umbral summit
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That's why I amended that line

rustic vale
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Oceans bounty is +50%(+5% per rarity) obols,darkness, and gemstones

umbral summit
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Alternate universe where you can pom Hermes boons

rustic vale
umbral summit
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Level 5 Heroic Greatest Reflex would be +9 dashes

rustic vale
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Swift strike actually being usable over dstrikes

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/s

swift inlet
umbral summit
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I'm trying to get multiple of Ares's boons, so I got Demeter and Poseidon boons to unlock both

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Artemis too

twilit lodge
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But instead you got the Demeter pos one

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Or mirage shot

umbral summit
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So I got boons from ones other than Ares

twilit lodge
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Rip

acoustic bolt
umbral summit
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If you have a hammer and ignore it, when it appears the next time will it have the same options?

latent moon
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well you wouldn't know if it has the same options or not

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so technically yes it will appear some time later with the same options lol

umbral summit
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If you reset the run after looking at it the first time, you would

latent moon
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that's because that's a seeded hammer

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and you can't ignore that hammer

umbral summit
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No, I don't mean the first room hammer

twilit lodge
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Each time a hammer is offered it’s generated with random choices from what you’re eligible for

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Based on seed of course

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So unless it’s the same hammer on the same door of the same chamber, it’s not likely to have the exact same choices

umbral summit
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Okay, thanks

twilit lodge
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This is how routing works

rustic vale
twilit lodge
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If you didn’t like those hammer choices you would want to restart and change your rng values with summons or casts

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Or hope the first room rng changes something

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Or just keep playing anyway

rustic vale
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And poseidon + ares needs poseidon cast but freezing vortex needs ares cast you cannot be looking for both without jumping through some hoops

umbral summit
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I've got like 4 duo boons I'm looking for simultaneously, so I had like 4 gods in my boons, with Blizzard Shot and something else I don't remember popping up

latent moon
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who else did you have in your god pool? did you say ares, dem, pos, and artemis?

umbral summit
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I think so

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Pos was my cast

latent moon
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assuming you have cores for all of them, since you have blizzard shot the only one you can get after that is mirage shot

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ares dem and ares arty needs ares cast

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and you cant get ares dem and ares arty duos at the same time

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and ares pos duo isn't compatible with blizzard shot

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arty dem duo needs dem cast

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wait all those duos are cast based lmao

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you can only get 1 + mirage shot unless that 1 is curse of drowning

umbral summit
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Was probably Mirage Shot for the 2nd, I've already gotten that one

latent moon
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yeah probably

umbral summit
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Are the unique Duo Boon conversations guaranteed for the first time you access a specific duo boon if there's nothing blocking it (like having a different duo boon conversation override it, or finding the boon on a reroll), or are they RNG as well?

latent moon
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the funky duo boon dialogue only appears the first time you encounter it i believe, but if there's 2 new ones you see for the first time then idrk

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if it's 1 new and 1 old youll probably get the dialogue for the new one

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ngl i dont really know tho, i forgot there was special duo dialogue

twilit lodge
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You can keep getting the duo conversations I’m fairly certain

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But it’s less common to repeat

latent moon
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yeah after a certain point it just stops

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i haven't seen one in ages

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idk what that point is tho, if it's after the first or whatever

umbral summit
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But are they guaranteed the first time you find a specific duo boon if there's no other conversations or situations blocking it, or is it random that time too?

latent moon
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there's dialogue priority, but idk what takes priority at that point

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but could also be random

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if there's nothing blocking it then it should appear

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if it doesnt then i guess it's rng, but i'm assuming it should appear

umbral summit
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This promises to be a fun run; Demeter Fists, Epic Divine Flourish, Rush Kick

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Strange; I did did a boosted Special with Aspect of Demeter, killing a skeleton for 505 damage before it died; however, the last hit also hit a nearby skeleton, and he also took 505 damage despite only the final hit getting him

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Is that normal for Demeter?

swift inlet
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Pretty sure kick is two fat hits

umbral summit
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My kick right now (including additives) is 101 x2, which turns into 101 x7 when Demeter is charged

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The first skeleton died after 5 of the hits, but when hit #5 hit the 2nd skeleton, it took 505 damage instead of 101

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Or maybe all of the hits were hitting the 2nd one even though it didn't look like it?

twilit lodge
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Rush kick doesn’t work with dash upper

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I think

acoustic bolt
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rush kick is weird because it's like 2 hits and then all the extra hits

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but the extra hits aren't also kicks

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i haven't ever seen a decent explanation for the behavior, i just know i never take it because it feels clunky

umbral summit
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They're doing the upgraded damage from rush kick, though

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Is it supposed to apply the full damage to the 2nd bloodless there despite only seemingly hitting it on the 5th hit?

acoustic bolt
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i know it's normal to not see each hit because it's so fast you just see the total a lot.

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it's possible the hit box moves

umbral summit
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I can't tell if the 2nd skeleton is actually getting hit by the initial hits because of all the hit slowdown

acoustic bolt
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so since you touched ti at the end and you were still doing the attack it hit it

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it might jsut be that everything that gets hit by it gets hit by all the hits

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i'm asking how it works on the speedrun channel they're good about technical stuff

rustic vale
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or close to simultaneous

twilit lodge
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It’s possible it’s not actually 2 + 5

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But 1+5 * 2

rustic vale
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I think it’s 2 + 1 big burst of 5

umbral summit
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it hits 7 times on bosses and other enemies that can survive the whole thing

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The 5 extra hits do seem to be calculated as multiple hits when it comes to breaking armor

acoustic bolt
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that's another question i've had

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do big hits shatter armor without touching the regular health bar?

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it seems like you need two hits even if it would be more than enough to just wipe them out + armor

swift inlet
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Yep

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But most big hits aren't actually a single big hit, so it doesn't matter too much

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Like, outside of a hestia shot, basically every huge damage source will hit multiple times

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ME/Zeus, clockets, cast builds, rama + shared suffering, etc

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There's stuff like Arthur but eh

acoustic bolt
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speedrun channel is saying it's just hit box persistence and also giga cutter hits weird

acoustic bolt
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kind of annoying on sword too

swift inlet
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I would simply play nemesis and hit a full combo of crits

tepid light
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just crit 4head

acoustic bolt
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obviously just break shield with tdash and finish them off with sword

umbral summit
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wow, Tiny Vermin sucks if all your damage is close range

latent moon
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Tiny vermin just sucks

umbral summit
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Well, there goes my streak

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Tiny Vermin took 2 of my revives

latent moon
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Tony moment

native blade
latent moon
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Anthony

hardy spear
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anthony

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well dont i look silly here

native blade
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Ah.

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Lel.

old belfry
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"we have Theseus at home"

twilit lodge
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But I want McTheseus

umbral summit
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Wow, the elite snakestone miniboss does a ton of damage if you charm it

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Killed a nearby satyr in like 2 seconds

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lol, charm interrupts Hades's laser?

tepid light
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Yep

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However, remember that if you interrupt an enemy's attack with charm, they do it again immediately after the charm wears off

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So don't go too aggressive

umbral summit
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That didn't happen this time

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Hades went into his trident combo after I interrupted him

latent moon
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and if you do it while dad lasers, he still fires lasers and swings

tepid light
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I dunno how charm mechanics work on normal enemies

umbral summit
lean timber
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charm usually just straight up cancels the attack

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dad call forces a repeat of current move

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i haven't seen charm cause a reset before

hardy spear
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maybe because hades was still in the wind up of his attack?

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idk im just throwing out ideas

twilit lodge
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No it’s because what matty says

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Charm doesn’t make them repeat

native blade
lean timber
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no, whatever hades did before it

native blade
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O.

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I thought u meant the keepsake call.

latent moon
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that is the keepsake call?

lean timber
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no. if you do it in the middle of a spear lunge, he will spear lunge again when his attack frames are over, USUALLY

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sometimes he doesn't...

latent moon
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i've used dds from dad call because dad swings when shooting lasers

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and it's not fun

lean timber
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lol!!

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i would simply insta dad call at the start of p2 (with proud bearing of course troll_face)

umbral summit
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I like to save limited moves for the 2nd part of p2 since in p1 his laser gives you the opportunity for lots of free hits

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Assuming I didn't burn them on phase 1 if he summons particularly annoying adds

umbral summit
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50% maim on greater calls is pretty crazy

crystal star
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Whats the difference between rarities and levels on boons

latent moon
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some boons have mediocre pom scaling, some have really good pom scaling. generally, a pom level will put it equal to the next rarity
other boons need rarity for it to be good, and the difference between those and poms are more than 1

umbral summit
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And some boons can't be upgraded with levels, so higher rarities is the only way for them to be better

latent moon
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you obv want good rarities for everything, but sometimes it doesn't really matter too much, like say aphrodite's attack. it already has a decent enough % bonus and has good pom scaling
with doom, it needs rarities for it to be good. lvl 7 common = lvl 3 epic

crystal star
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Ok

vital tapir
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pom scaling is the same for all rarities of a boon, rarity just starts you off higher

crystal star
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Ok

native blade
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There’s also diminishing returns rii? I think I noticed that when I was scaling some boons.

rustic vale
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Yeah

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All but some boons suffer from diminishing returns

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Pressure points, hangover boons that aren’t dio call (so long as you don’t count first pom on strike and flourish) don’t suffer from diminishing returns

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I can’t think of any others that don’t suffer from diminishing returns

crystal star
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Best gods in your opinions? Imo hermes and artemis

rustic vale
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Everyone is solid

vital tapir
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blood frenzy good

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usually you either want a specific core or a specific support or neither

native blade
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Ares is goated, what?

rustic vale
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Curse of nausea

vital tapir
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from ares if he’s in your pool

native blade
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Eh.

vital tapir
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without cores they’re like the same tier

short glen
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Athena, Aphrodite, and Dio best

signal aspen
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Lowkey true

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Bouldy best god no question

rustic vale
signal aspen
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Every single run I've won with bouldy boons I've won

rustic vale
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Every single run I've won with bouldy boons I've won

latent moon
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Same

raw herald
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Every single run I’ve won

umbral summit
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I also win every time

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Either I escape, or I annoy Hades by futilely trying to escape

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Spiiiiiin

remote iris
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i don't think i understand rush delivery

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it says bonus damage fron bonus speed is 75%

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i have a boon that gives me an extra 30% move speed

latent moon
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75% of 30 then

remote iris
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do i deal 75% of 30% bonus?

raw herald
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Yes

remote iris
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also will swift strike speed up the charge for my bow?

latent moon
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Only standing strikes

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Not dash strikes

remote iris
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weird but ok

latent moon
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Yeah it sucks

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It's only better if it's heroic swift strike

remote iris
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too bad already picked it

latent moon
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But then at that point you're still gonna want to dash strike because you're still gonna want the movement

latent moon
high island
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Swift Strike on bow is only good if you have Flurry Shot.

latent moon
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Oh yeah I forgot that existed

remote iris
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don't think rama has that

high island
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Indeed.

umbral summit
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What about Swift Strike with Explosive Shot?

latent moon
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Same rules apply

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Dash strikes are still faster unless it's heroic

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And can't get explosive flurry iirc

crystal star
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Does hades get new patches and updates anymore

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like new gods or stuff

latent moon
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Nope

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There's mods you can download that add gods and features if you want

umbral summit
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Ugh, this is frustrating

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4 runs in a row where I didn't even get any chances to get Fully Loaded

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Maybe I should switch to the room reroll mirror instead of the boon reroll

rustic vale
latent moon
umbral summit
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I don't have a build

latent moon
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Fully loaded is incredibly difficult to get and you shouldn't rely on getting it

umbral summit
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I kind of have to get it to do the prophecy

latent moon
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Ah

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Well that's just unfortunate then lol

rustic vale
umbral summit
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Okay, just got all the prerequisites, but i'm on Theseus

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so now I have to hope Artemis shows up in Styx

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And then i'll reroll for everything I have

high island
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Good luck! dusa

umbral summit
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Zeus, Dio, and Athena in Styx ~.~

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Maybe I should save the artemis keepsake until styx

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Does it work in Styx? I'm not even 100% sure

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The guarantee boon part

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Also gotten Tiny Vermin 3 runs in a row

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The game is taunting me

magic fern
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ratted 🐀

umbral summit
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At least Chiron wrecks with Relentless Volley and Support Fire

latent moon
latent moon
lean timber
swift inlet
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32 is free

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Useless hammers, very few poms, and a 5sack that burned all my well items

snow skiff
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Beowulf:

twilit lodge
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Also based timer expire

remote iris
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imagine if hermes was normal

twilit lodge
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Not me missing chances to get keepsakes on my hell mode save because muscle memory has me immediately grabbing boons

remote iris
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whats uc

rustic vale
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Underworld customs

remote iris
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holy crap (lois) useful bouldy

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oh

rustic vale
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The only most useful bouldy boon

twilit lodge
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Slash letters

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How far will this hellmode shield run get I wonder

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Only core I have is tidal dash

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Maybe I’ll equip shackle after asphodel if I don’t get a good attack shadesmile

brisk trail
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is stuborrn roots good

swift inlet
swift inlet
brisk trail
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ok

twilit lodge
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Not if it’s not selected by the pool shadeohboy

magic fern
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roots is best with shield

brisk trail
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do duo boons get upgraded?

magic fern
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no

brisk trail
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ive never upgraded a duo boon

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damn ok

magic fern
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with shield you can sit in corner and heal to full every time you take damage

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so effectively immortality if no td

latent moon
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all aspects are doable at 58 literally because td doesnt exist lmao

humble nest
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Did they get rid of explosive shot?

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I recently started playing again, done maybe 10 runs or so, haven't seen it once

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i would figure i would have seen it atleast once in 20 hammers

lean timber
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just a skill issue

rustic vale
twilit lodge
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They made it only show up on Rama

rustic vale
twilit lodge
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Explosive shot Rama exclusive hammer when

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Witches circle is a death sentence early game smh

vital tapir
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yea that’s why i only take witches circle in styx

twilit lodge
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I mean early in a save

vital tapir
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o

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i mean any miniboss is gonna suck

latent moon
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eh

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slam dancers aren't bad

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doomstone is pretty free as well

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barge is probably the easiest miniboss if you dont care about time

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styx snakestone isn't too bad either

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same with styx bomb pot

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bull man isn't bad once you learn the fight but just sucks to get

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all the others are a pain in the ass

twilit lodge
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Barge was rough with the bombs

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Doomstone is terrible early game

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You can’t attack it during the lasers like at all

vital tapir
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ngl i was thinking mm bosses

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forgive me

twilit lodge
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MM Doomstone would be easier early game than non MM lol

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Trap helps damage

latent moon
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ive always liked the doomstone boss when i first played

twilit lodge
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Sure if you wanna lose half of your 50hp life bar

latent moon
twilit lodge
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No

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The bomber enemies

latent moon
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ah

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wasn't that terrible tho tbh

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also it's a miniboss ofc it's gonna be harder

twilit lodge
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I’m playing HM tho :v

latent moon
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also ddash crutch

latent moon
twilit lodge
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I only just got the stupid Athena keepsake because muscle memory

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I keep forgetting to get the keepsakes

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And since no DF you see each god in your pool approximately 1 time in a run

warm nimbus
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no df??

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use df

twilit lodge
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No maidens either

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I’m on run 6 or something of a new hellmode file

warm nimbus
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oh

twilit lodge
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I don’t even have DF unlocked lol

latent moon
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that reminds me that i need to actually work on my new save rip

twilit lodge
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Not me clenching tightly with 5hp and no DDs in witches circle because it’s gonna be Zeus and i need his keepsake

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and then picking up the boon before gifting

latent moon
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lmfao

lean timber
twilit lodge
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Aww, you can’t wave to your good shade after first heroes clear

latent moon
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i thought you could

twilit lodge
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Couldn’t just now

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Ended the fight near it tho so maybe why

latent moon
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maybe

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did you try walking away then coming back

twilit lodge
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Yuh

latent moon
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rip

twilit lodge
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Hmm

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Zag talks to cerby about Persephone in first Styx

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Wonder if he still does if you don’t do the first sleep sequence

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Killed by Tony

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2sack could have saved me rip

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Hypnos suggesting killing everyone at once to than

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Wholesome

latent moon
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based

twilit lodge
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Mapping attack to left shoulder for flurry jab spear is the best tech I ever taught myself

lean timber
twilit lodge
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Mattyboi (food poisoning arc)

twilit lodge
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Damn, got dad to last half of second phase

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Had smair

humble river
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Any idea why I couldn't summon my companion (Shady) in the Styx chambers?

twilit lodge
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No charges? Room too tiny?

humble river
twilit lodge
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Honestly I’ve never tried to summon other than in the boss chambers of Styx

humble river
twilit lodge
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Good luck

latent moon
humble river
twilit lodge
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Can’t summon ever after fight

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Or in free rooms

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Only during combat

latent moon
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you should be able to do it as soon as you walk into a room

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well

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there's like a short waiting period of when you're still being forced to walk

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but right after that you should be able to

humble river
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Thanks! I'll test again

lean timber
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you can do it in small rooms

brisk trail
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i’ve learnt that my budgie loves in the blood

twilit lodge
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40 flame wheels and 2 sword exalted

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Least populated Elysium room

swift inlet
twilit lodge
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I hate that

latent moon
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is it always tart or is it every fountain

twilit lodge
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I always mash dash and then when it lets met dash I dash too far

latent moon
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because it always happens

twilit lodge
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It’s only left side entrance tart fountain I’m pretty sure

native blade
twilit lodge
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That is definitely a pact

latent moon
latent moon
vital tapir
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you can summon in c1 lol

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p sure it’ll let you as long as there’s an enemy and you haven’t summoned yet in that chamber

twilit lodge
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Sounds like dude was trying to summon after enemies were dead

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Hell Mode moment: getting exploded by a splitter ball

twilit lodge
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Lmao

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Just when I had given up on flurry jab zagspear and was unlocking the last two weapons so I could abuse Achilles

native blade
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Tryn go for 32.

twilit lodge
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You’re gonna want to try a more conventional mirror setup if you wanna do 32

native blade
sonic grove
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just a random thought, but is it possible to clear a run on the very first escape attempt?

raw herald
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Yes

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It’s even a speedrun category

sonic grove
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:o

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that implies lots of runs, which i want to check out tomorrow out of curiosity

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that has to be absurdly difficult since no mirror, no renovations, and no upgrades whatsoever

raw herald
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Yeah it’s tough

swift inlet
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It's more or less entirely dependent on finding one duo boon and getting a good build around it, yeah

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It'd be possible without it, but way harder

native blade
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Is there a special dialogue or something if you do it?

latent moon
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yes

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the devs talked about it in a video where they watched someone do a fresh file run

acoustic bolt
latent moon
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oh god lmfao

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gl with that azi

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no mirror, no hermes, no hammers

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iirc there's a save file you can use to guarantee ares and athena in tart in the speedcord

acoustic bolt
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Oh lol

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Maybe I'll just watch it on YouTube

latent moon
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they make it look easy but then when you try it you're like "oh this sucks" lmao

acoustic bolt
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Yeah I don't think I wanna deal with the QOL loss

latent moon
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i think according to a few people, the dad fight feels like a 45 heat fight and ely heroes is about 40 lmao

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straight up not gonna have a good time

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clearing on run 3 or 4 is so much easier once you get another dash and dd

lean timber
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he's lying. fresh file is easier than zero heat

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run it. now

latent moon
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where's your fresh file matty

lean timber
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i already did it. my main file was a fresh file completion

latent moon
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cringe

swift inlet
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so true

high island
latent moon
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true but point still stands, it's insanely difficult lol

high island
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Yup.

swift inlet
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45 heat also means your build is likely much better

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Even with uc ap you're probably getting better stuff, especially with different weapons

rustic vale
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and companions

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No hammers (that might actually better because it’s sword though)
No hermes/ chaos/ half the gods
No work orders

ionic palm
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right im interested in getting hades before the sale ends

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so its like an arcade hack and slash?

lean timber
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uhh...

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i guess bouldy

ionic palm
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i dont know how minimal the minimum requirements are

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will hades run fine on this

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1695 shared memory and 64 dedicated vram, and a dual core T5870

tepid light
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Hades isn't a very demanding game

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PC-wise

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Should be fine

latent moon
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yeah it can run pretty well on a potato laptop

signal aspen
ionic palm
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well minimum doesnt always mean minimum

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you can usually run games fine ish with a pc under minimum req

twilit lodge
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Friend got his second clear and

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Pardon my French but what is this build

twilit lodge
latent moon
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2 chaos attacks

ionic palm
latent moon
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one of them is epic

ionic palm
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ill try

latent moon
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and then i think chaos lunge

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good chaos, arty strike

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why not lol

signal aspen
twilit lodge
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😤

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True

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My last clear was smelly one chaos build

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Coin purse Styx wtf

signal aspen
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special-less charged flight is based

signal aspen
twilit lodge
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No lol

ionic palm
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i see so you try to make a good build with a touch of rng?

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then see how far you can go?

twilit lodge
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I had honestly given up on my early hellmode flurry clear

signal aspen
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no there is absolutely no rng in this game

twilit lodge
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And was just gonna unlock all weps so I could unlock Achilles

signal aspen
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🙂

twilit lodge
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For better flurry odds

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And then it finally worked

ionic palm
ionic palm
signal aspen
twilit lodge
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I picked all of those

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Including the coin purse because this file has only seen Eurydice one time smdh

twilit lodge
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Lmfao

latent moon
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hellmode moment

twilit lodge
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4th run two DDs shol

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Oh you used tooth lol

lean timber
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a true rama runner

latent moon
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simply always have divine dash

swift inlet
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witches are so bad in general

twilit lodge
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Simply open file explorer to c:\program files\steam\hades\mobs and delete witch.obj

hardy spear
#

simply delete hades

latent moon
#

simply uninstall

umbral summit
#

Does Thunder Flourish have a cooldown between bolts?

#

It sounded amazing in my head for Chiron, but it doesn't seem to be doing as well as I expected

gray apex
#

A volley with Chiron does 1 lightning bolt

umbral summit
#

Aw, that's disappointing

gray apex
#

Yea it’s underwhelming on Chiron

#

If you get a ton of Zeus you can make it work but there are better options

umbral summit
#

Support Fire is also not doing very well

latent moon
#

obligatory meme

latent moon
umbral summit
#

Well oof; I'm in Styx and I sold Thunder Flourish to hopefully get a better one

gray apex
#

Support Fire is pretty nice on Chiron, helps you regen god gauge and does decent damage because it procs so much

umbral summit
#

But I forgot I literally have no gods left other than Hermes and Zeus

latent moon
#

lmao rip

gray apex
#

Pretty late to sell stuff lol

umbral summit
#

Thought I had an Artemis special boon at the shop to grab

#

Apparently not

rustic vale
rustic vale
umbral summit
#

I guess I'll just grab Thunder Flourish again, lol

#

Helps a little with AoE

latent moon
#

might as well yeah lol

#

aoe against dad fight let's go

rustic vale
#

Chain lightning from lightning strike is .15s
lightning bolts are .2s
support fire is ???

latent moon
#

i'd assume less than thunder flourish

umbral summit
#

I'm usually getting 2 arrows per chiron lock on special

rustic vale
#

do you have double strike?

latent moon
#

0.1 then?

rustic vale
#

.2

latent moon
#

for support fire

umbral summit
#

I do not

rustic vale
#

It probably just depends on distance to enemy then I figure

umbral summit
#

Depends a lot on my angle

latent moon
#

why would support fire depend on the distance

rustic vale
#

I’m not talking support fire

umbral summit
#

If I'm firing at a 90 degree angle, one side of the arrows hits sooner

latent moon
#

bouldy i thought we were

rustic vale
#

We can

#

I think it’s probably similiar to lightning strike

latent moon
#

maybe

#

if it's 2 per chiron volley

#

because thunder flourish is only 1

rustic vale
#

Oh I confused myself

#

💀

umbral summit
#

Fear my jank build

#

The result of picking boons solely based on increasing the chances of getting Fully Loaded for my prophecy

gray apex
#

Dio is also a great Special

rustic vale
#

Oh bruh

#

why were you going for fully loaded on a non-castpect?

umbral summit
#

I'm working on bow heat, and I don't have any levels on the bow one

twilit lodge
#

Zagbow dio attack lol

umbral summit
#

I could have spent a couple blood, but didn't feel like it at only 5 heat

twilit lodge
rustic vale
#

also just like dio attack on bow bruh bouldy

rustic vale
umbral summit
#

Dio was filler so the game would stop throwing cores at me

twilit lodge
#

True it is Chiron

#

Any bow with dio attack tho

rustic vale
umbral summit
#

Like I said, every single boon decision was based on improving my chances for Fully Loaded to appear 😛

#

I needed to fill my last core slot so I had better chances of getting the prerequisites, and Dio was there

latent moon
#

turn any aspect into a castpect with rod

twilit lodge
#

Lightning rod with Hermes legendary

#

Cracked combo

latent moon
#

true

umbral summit
#

If you skip a fishing spot without taking it, does it reset the fishing room counter, or can you find another one sooner than normal?

twilit lodge
#

Pretty sure taking it or not doesn’t matter

latent moon
#

what's "fishing room counter" lol is that like chaos but for fishing spots

twilit lodge
#

Simply having a spot appear keeps you from seeing one for 10 chambers or whatever

umbral summit
#

It's the number of rooms before there's a non-0% chance of seeing another fishing spot

twilit lodge
#

This is why I never see chaos fishing spots

rustic vale
twilit lodge
#

I am a huge catch

umbral summit
#

legendary boons done, now to finish my duo boons

rustic vale
#

I’m so bad with sd lc4 gaming shadegrief

#

Trying 32 heat and died to lernie

#

I think before my 32 heat pact didn’t have lc4 tbh

vital tapir
#

dio attack chiron my beloved

rustic vale
#

Whenever I actually did 32 heat I think I wasn’t using lc4 or sd

twilit lodge
#

Simply don’t die to lernie

latent moon
#

my first 32 used dd

#

second was sd

twilit lodge
#

Power couple hella sucks early

#

Gorgon projectiles are stupid

lean timber
#

middle management:

twilit lodge
#

Only duo I got so far on my hell mode save was smair on a run I nearly won with

#

Rank 2 shackle flurry jab zagspear lmfao

#

Just realized selling Titan blood for 200 gems is a profit assuming you get the 15 keys for blood trade later

#

Hades really teaching me how to day trade

rustic vale
#

The only trades I care about anymore are the ones that give darkness

twilit lodge
#

Yeah I sold my first ambrosia in a heartbeat

rustic vale
#

Time to practice lc4 sd

twilit lodge
#

Simply don’t get hit

#

Until chamber 3 and then spend the rest of the run nursing your microscopic 30% Hp every room

#

Flurry slash sword kinda almost works like flurry jab spear if you hold attack and tap your dashes

#

inhales more copium

remote iris
#

is minotaur rush incompatible with anything

twilit lodge
#

Success

mint coral
twilit lodge
#

It’s not incompatible with any hammers tho

#

Hardly any shield hammers are actually

#

Just dashing and charged flight with each other

mint coral
#

i didnt said it was incompatible?

twilit lodge
#

I wasn’t responding to you?

mint coral
#

me dumb, sorry

twilit lodge
remote iris
#

so beowulf can get it?

mint coral
#

yeah

umbral summit
#

Huh, that minorly sucked

#

When Hades went into Phase 2 part 2, the shockwave he normally emits was invisible

twilit lodge
#

Fortunately you know it’s coming

#

Not running crystal clarity Unleveled zag shield smh

umbral summit
#

Just got the "I am out of death messages, but that won't stop me from repeating older ones" at 53 clears, so it seems there's about 43 messages

twilit lodge
#

Oh, regret

#

I wasn’t thinking and took an aphro pos trial

lean timber
#

skill issue

swift inlet
#

Lmao

#

Trial room taker

#

Speedrun rooms only

twilit lodge
#

😩

#

I needed splash dash

#

Good thing I took it since I never even saw pos again

#

Ely splash dash smh

twilit lodge
#

do u have a source for that claim

#

@acoustic bolt Hestia is taunt and Apollo is blind hm

acoustic bolt
#

i'm not sure what "attracts" means atm since there's nobody else around to taunt from

#

but yeah Apollo's main thing is blind

rustic vale
#

Attractive 🧠

twilit lodge
#

Simply use eury to get one more dash and 22 more jolt damage 🧠

acoustic bolt
twilit lodge
#

Nah I’m talking about me

#

I had common jolted and greatest reflex on this lv1 Achilles flurry jab hellmode run

#

Take Achilles just for the better flurry odds and never special 🧠 📈 🧠 📈

twilit lodge
#

Ha never noticed there’s hades dialogue for each greater call

#

Did arty greater call and he said “you’ll need more arrows than that”

native blade
#

Has Hades finally answered my prayers?

twilit lodge
#

no hourglass in Elysium smh

twilit lodge
#

Were you praying to purchase Flame Wheels Release?

native blade
twilit lodge
#

Flame wheels be like: [depressed meowing noises]

snow skiff
swift inlet
#

Lmao

twilit lodge
#

2pool tart mandatory suddenly for the free room chance

#

🧼

swift inlet
#

Poseidon: I am OFFENDED, good neph- and he's gone. 2:30 aspho pace tho??????? 😳

twilit lodge
#

Choosing neither god makes chaos offer you a gate

#

📈

#

Oh boy it’s huge catch tutorial run

snow skiff
#

By leaving you offend both of them and they gang up on you in the next chamber

native blade
raw herald
#

I played for 2 hours and 10 minutes today and saw 7 asphodel chambers

twilit lodge
#

Keep trying, you’ll be able to beat Meg soon!

#

Me trying to learn how to play Zeus shield

raw herald
twilit lodge
raw herald
#

I should probably practice aspho more

twilit lodge
#

Play Hestia

#

You only have to press every button to kill one aspho enemy

#

It’s strong!

magic fern
#

how rare is flame wheels release

twilit lodge
#

Slightly more rare than Fully Loaded on a castspect

magic fern
#

welp

native blade
native blade
vital tapir
twilit lodge
#

True

rustic vale
#

Zeus shield is too easy, I used it to clear 65 heat

latent moon
snow skiff
#

I haven't made it out in so long bouldy

#

I also take enshrouded in aspho randomly thinking 'yeah, thisll be fine' and then it isn't fine

latent moon
#

just get the skips

twilit lodge
#

Just route your run through enshrouded on the fly

snow skiff
#

I forced myself into a pos dio zeus dem pool on hestia because of enshrouded

twilit lodge
#

How hard can it be

snow skiff
#

On a 1:26 tart exit bouldy

twilit lodge
#

Supersoaker Hestia

#

Water balloon launcher

snow skiff
#

This game is easy honestly

native blade
#

I...

#

I... reached Hades.

latent moon
#

tdash

native blade
#

I reached Hades and my game crashed....

latent moon
#

based

#

tdash still better

#

and tbh the 80 from rocket is enough for tart

native blade
#

And all my progress is gone.

latent moon
#

you dont have any 40 heat clears

#

lmfao

twilit lodge
native blade
#

Based on my fat co-

lean timber
#

based on this ratio

latent moon
#

rato

lean timber
#

shut up.

native blade
#

Bruh

latent moon
#

:)

twilit lodge
lean timber
#

i'm going to poop your pants

twilit lodge
#

I’m going to pants your poop

#

@mods

lean timber
latent moon
native blade
twilit lodge
lean timber
#

epic embed fail

swift inlet
#

Actual speedrun

latent moon
#

gaming

#

wait this is 40 heat

#

screw you

twilit lodge
#

That doesn’t seem like Sub10 pace to me dusa

lean timber
#

i honestly hate you

latent moon
#

also what aspect btw

lean timber
#

100% more invulnerability per dash

latent moon
#

nemesis?

snow skiff
#

Mfw kill numbskull spam rooms with just special

twilit lodge
#

Tell me this is shackle hera lightning rod

snow skiff
#

And also you get quick burst damage with tdash

lean timber
#

do not

snow skiff
#

What you can do is dash at a witch while firing at another one

swift inlet
#

4:11 nem aspho

latent moon
#

pain

#

i always leave aspho at 5

swift inlet
#

😎

#

Beo issue

latent moon
#

mainly because i never get mirage

twilit lodge
#

Rare crop tdash or replace?

latent moon
#

yeah lmfao beo moments

swift inlet
#

Replace

#

I took ddash in tart

twilit lodge
#

BASED

swift inlet
#

Then got offered big splash

#

Yeah but I speedrun 40 heat 😎

latent moon
#

smh

swift inlet
#

Nah I have 40 40 heat runs

#

Ez

snow skiff
#

So annoying to reset every ely that doesn't hit 1/3 chance for clockets

swift inlet
#

Actually this is my fourth lmao

twilit lodge
#

New rule if you haven’t done 40 heat you’re not allowed to send copy pastas

snow skiff
#

Because nothing else gives hestia a chance against late ely and dad

twilit lodge
#

This includes “idk man as”

latent moon
snow skiff
#

Tree sucks

twilit lodge
#

banne @mods

swift inlet
#

Bad player alert

snow skiff
#

Tree can't win with bad weapons

#

Smh

swift inlet
twilit lodge
#

SMH I didn’t even do Chiron for 40

#

I did nem

snow skiff
#

You made it way harder than it had to be bouldy

#

Nem 40 is asssss

latent moon
#

lmfao

lean timber
#

i can't

#

i can't sub 5 😭

swift inlet
#

I simply don't take ddash

snow skiff
#

I tried nem extreme heat with RI3 one time

#

😁🔫

latent moon
#

that sounds like a you issue

lean timber
#

what's extreme heat for you, 64

snow skiff
#

50

twilit lodge
swift inlet
lean timber
#

weh

twilit lodge
#

Nem 40 without dedge shadegrief

snow skiff
#

Bruh tempest flourish

swift inlet
twilit lodge
#

Ap1 moment

swift inlet
#

I did 40 without mirage 😎

latent moon
#

my first 40 had tart mirage in endshop and now i can never get that

snow skiff
#

Beo 61 heat with just aphro attack and cshot

latent moon
#

based

snow skiff
#

Not even complete trash ngl

#

It plays like slower aspect of cshot

latent moon
#

every now and then you get a big boi shot

twilit lodge
snow skiff
#

Dc2 bouldy

latent moon
#

just get nasty dash

snow skiff
#

You can't get stubborn roots without a dd slot

twilit lodge
#

No it’s not smh

snow skiff
#

Me keeping a consumed tooth the entire run to make use of stubborn roots

twilit lodge
#

🧠

#

Cracked out

#

More like it

vital tapir
#

multiple hour run to not even aspect heat wr

#

3

twilit lodge
#

Lmao

latent moon
#

ngl i'm considering getting a resource mod for my new save just so i can get crap done faster because i dont feel like grinding out so much stuff

twilit lodge
#

Guess that means tree’s hellmode Unleveled shield run is a wr!!!!

#

😩

rustic vale
#

Hmm I haven’t played ME in a hot second

twilit lodge
#

I could have done Unleveled zagshield just now but I wanted to try Zeus

#

It was kinda painful until dad

#

Just chain cshot dad to the face

#

And call whenever it’s up

vital tapir
twilit lodge
#

MEmeter

rustic vale
twilit lodge
vital tapir
#

actually you can run unlevelled shield on a full file

twilit lodge
#

DemeMEr

vital tapir
#

just don’t use chaos special ever

rustic vale
#

darkness is darkness and I need it for resource director

twilit lodge
#

Zag game plume fister

vital tapir
#

explosive upper doom special athena attack ME

twilit lodge
#

Do kinetic launcher instead

vital tapir
#

actually athena special doom attack then exchange special for ares after ME hits

twilit lodge
#

So you can pop each hit’s doom

snow skiff
#

I reset when i see a room I don't like ngl

latent moon
#

me when i see c1 have 5 numbskulls

twilit lodge
#

C1 no chaos: reset

snow skiff
#

No that's stupid

#

You want chaos later so you get the skip when it matters

twilit lodge
#

C1 dad monologue: reset

snow skiff
#

Smh

vital tapir
#

just get ix

twilit lodge
#

Simply buy 6 ix at midbiome well

snow skiff
#

Sometimes I get hammer start and then these ass c2s that are like 18 seconds

latent moon
snow skiff
#

That's insta reset for me

latent moon
#

because that def didn't happen to me 3 times

snow skiff
latent moon
#

40 heat moment :(

twilit lodge
#

Super armored cloner louts in the huge trap room

vital tapir
#

my worst bp tart chambers are always numbskulls

twilit lodge
#

My jam

snow skiff
#

Idk man 3 waves of super armored thugs sounds like a ~11 second room for hestia

#

Not too bad

vital tapir
#

i think i had one w cloner slugger numbskulls as hestia

snow skiff
#

Lol

twilit lodge
snow skiff
#

I hate hammer start hestia

#

But i also hate not having hammer

#

There is no win

twilit lodge
#

Cluster start Hestia isn’t the worst

vital tapir
#

i also had savior cloner numbskulls as guan yu in the same layout once

twilit lodge
#

But maybe I’m just not good at Hestia to know better

snow skiff
#

Ideally you grab rocket or hazard

vital tapir
snow skiff
twilit lodge
#

Lmfao

vital tapir
#

yea but it's still a 60 second chamber

twilit lodge
#

At least numbskulls have like

snow skiff
#

Also cloner savior doesn't exist

twilit lodge
#

1 armor and 1hp

snow skiff
#

It is hardcoded to not exist

twilit lodge
#

Imagine if those were witches

latent moon
twilit lodge
#

One of my first times trying Chiron on 40 I had a cloner witch room and I cried

snow skiff
#

Beo sucks at tart relatively lmao

#

Compared to other top level aspects ****

latent moon
#

it's not too bad yeah but also just pain

#

there are some rooms where it's def better imo

#

but also

#

bruh

snow skiff
#

Lvl1 flood flare is disgustingly bad

latent moon
#

yeah

#

and it's always common lmao

twilit lodge
#

Just take c2 Erebus pom

#

And then get hit by a flamewheel

latent moon
#

time loss

rustic vale
#

Just use c2 mom pom

latent moon
#

even if you beat erebus it's just a time loss

snow skiff
#

I always take erebus health in heat

#

Ngl

latent moon
#

i would if i wasn't speedrunning

snow skiff
#

If i lose i reset it

twilit lodge
#

Is Erebus still a time loss if it’s c2 arty Erebus on beo

rustic vale
#

Yes

snow skiff
#

Erebus is like a 10-15s time loss compared to a standard c2

twilit lodge
#

Ic

vital tapir
#

erebus health is so good

latent moon
#

a normal c2 can be finished in like 5 secs or so

snow skiff
#

And it's horrendous

twilit lodge
#

Speeder cloner witches 🤤

latent moon
#

homing cloner witches

twilit lodge
#

Oh god

snow skiff
#

Speeder slugger wavemakers

twilit lodge
#

Cloner gorgons

latent moon
snow skiff
#

Cloner is tartarus exclusive

latent moon
#

oh that explains a lot

vital tapir
#

can u get cloner on non tart enemies in erebus

snow skiff
latent moon
#

true

twilit lodge
#

Popper always makes me freak out on high heat

#

Just expecting to get blown up any second

snow skiff
#

I just sit at the door waiting for popper to piss itself

latent moon
#

same

twilit lodge
#

Yeah

rustic vale
#

My ME was from an ares boon

#

I legit saw her once the entire run because I forced her in in asphodel

twilit lodge
#

Typical ME run

lean timber
latent moon
#

Git gud

swift inlet
#

BUSTED ROOMS

latent moon
#

where's my rng :(

twilit lodge
#

What weapon is this I forgot

#

Nem

latent moon
#

nem

#

yea

twilit lodge
#

Red splash dash lmao

#

Nectar still active at patty

latent moon
#

yep

#

this makes me so sad

#

maybe i should just do nem lmao

#

high rolling for a duo and hyper delivery sucks

#

with ap1

vital tapir
#

do arthur

latent moon
#

speedrunning arthur bouldy

swift inlet
#

Ok so the nem failed

vital tapir
#

it has 50 sword wr

#

can’t remember if modded or not

swift inlet
#

Em3 is hell

latent moon
#

rip

latent moon
swift inlet
#

Asterius burned my athena dd

#

And I didn't trigger sd before dad fight

latent moon
#

well not for the category at least

#

rip

swift inlet
#

I hate em3 so much

twilit lodge
#

Maybe don’t do shackle Nem tbh

swift inlet
#

They really said "lol melee players can die"

twilit lodge
#

Just do heart rend dedge

swift inlet
#

Even if I brought acorn he'd burn it off

twilit lodge
#

You’re playing modded so dedge is free

swift inlet
#

And the run had a grand total of 5 boons

#

UC burned 3 of em

latent moon
#

and fishing for a duo isn't fun with ap1

twilit lodge
#

I did it on my “abysmal” 40 Nem idk

latent moon
#

i mean it's not impossible to get

#

it's just not fun

swift inlet
#

I hate it here

#

I got spoiled by projectiles

twilit lodge
#

Em3 was definitely the toughest part of the run

latent moon
#

rn my options are to continue to high roll for early mirage, git gud with pstatus beo, or use a different aspect

latent moon
swift inlet
#

I just hate that em3 asterius basically doesn't let you play melee

#

Nah it was my fault

#

Em3 asterius is ass

twilit lodge
#

Just burn your SD and 95% of your Hp to burst asterius down

#

And then play cat and mouse with Theseus ez clap

swift inlet
#

I had literally 2 boons

latent moon
#

lmfao

twilit lodge
#

Simply end the fight with 5hp like I did

swift inlet
#

Pressure on nem is basically not a boon

twilit lodge
#

Winters touch saved me during that fight ngl

latent moon
#

instead of speedrunning 40 maybe i should just do chill 40 heat runs and not care about time

#

maybe i'll get a good time that way

twilit lodge
#

Or whatever the dem revenge is

#

Simply take the wock to Poland tbh

latent moon
twilit lodge
#

Simply turn off EM3

#

Just run JS3 DC1

#

And get dedge or piercing wave

latent moon
#

if anything turn off ap1 and run js2

#

actually i'm gonna do that for my 40 heat chill runs lol

#

i dont feel like dealing with ap1

#

maybe i'll accidentally sub10 anyways with js2 and hate myself for not recording

twilit lodge
#

What if there was UC2

latent moon
#

go into each biome with nothing

twilit lodge
#

I feel like I’d rather run that than AP sometimes

#

Lmao

latent moon
#

shackle hestia stocks skyrocket

vital tapir
#

rocket bomb^

twilit lodge
#

Bucket crumb

native blade
#

I think this is a flex.

twilit lodge
#

Taking a trove?

terse geyser
#

I've taken health troves

native blade
terse geyser
#

oh, sure
fast trove, too
didn't really consider that part

twilit lodge
#

I don’t always get a c5 duo

#

But when I do it’s Calculated Risk™️

terse geyser
#

and when you do, it still isn't ME

#

oh

#

same idea

twilit lodge
#

Hmmm

#

Second hammer for conc volley Chiron

#

Perfect triple or twin

vital tapir
#

twin for sure

twilit lodge
#

True

twilit lodge
#

Me when the aphro greater call targets a skull instead of dad

high island
#

Use it from point-blank. Same with Artemis' Aid.

twilit lodge
#

It was my fault for using it after the skull landed lol

native blade
high island
#

Just do what I would do. I haven't lost a single run this month.

twilit lodge
#

Have you even played this month? shadesmile

native blade
#

Avg gy loss.