h1-discussion

[spice hearth]

What

[latent moon]

frost flare has bad pom scaling but it has such a good base damage lol

[spice hearth]

Do you mean icy burst?

[dusky cypress]

not the extra damage-flare one that's not special

icy burst ye

[native blade]

It spreads frost on cast.

But it isn’t a cast.

[spice hearth]

Ah yeah

[latent moon]

oh snow burst

[spice hearth]

Cos frost flare suuuuucks

[latent moon]

yep

snow burst is really good tho yeah

[spice hearth]

Ah yeah snow burst

[dusky cypress]

yeah the beam I was trying to remember why I don't remember taking it in the longest time/what its name was lol
(I also am aware I'm irrel to convos because I've only done like 200 runs compared to... idk I assume most people here are like 500+ unless otherwise stated)

[spice hearth]

Snow burst is great also on Poseidon sword with the Aphro cast

[latent moon]

snurst hera also good

[umbral summit]

If you skip a Hermes or Hammer early, can they appear again later, or did you miss your chance?

[twilit lodge]

Snurst

They can appear later

[latent moon]

they can appear

but if you skip too many it might not

[umbral summit]

Thanks

[spice hearth]

They come up again

The game will keep showing them until you have 2 of each

[latent moon]

generally yeah

sometimes game doesnt but also your fault for skipping the opportunity a lot lol

[twilit lodge]

True

[umbral summit]

Now that I've maxed every accessory, I'm trying to clean up missing boons for prophecies

[native blade]

Noice.

[umbral summit]

Do the boon accessories only guarantee their god once per run, once per region, or just once each time you equip one?

[vital tapir]

once each equip

indicated by a little number below it

[umbral summit]

So it's good to keep switching if you have particular gods' boons you're looking for

[twilit lodge]

If you equip one in asphodel and never end up taking a door for that god (doable) it will still force them in ely if you keep it equipped

Not a great course of action but that is how they work

[umbral summit]

nice, Splitting Bolt

[twilit lodge]

So to answer this, yes, no, yes

[umbral summit]

Well, once per run would be if switching to a new god boon didn't guarantee you theres if you used the first one up

So based on the answers here, it'd be no, no, yes

[twilit lodge]

Oh I thought you meant per god

[umbral summit]

Nah, option 3 was per god

[twilit lodge]

Iciccicicciciiciciccicic

[umbral summit]

If I'm lucky i'll also be able to get a zeus duo this run too

What are the base chances per slot if you qualify for a duo or legendary?

I assume I can keep rerolling if I qualify but don't see it offered

[twilit lodge]

You can

Don’t know the chances tho

First slot has priority to be a core (attack special cast dash) if you have any unfilled so filling them will help your odds

[umbral summit]

Oh cool, Lightning Rod

[native blade]

Pat's spear's great for firearm it seems.

[umbral summit]

Do Erebus gates replace the next room, or add an additional one?

[dusky cypress]

p sure they replace them from the... dozen or so I've done?

[twilit lodge]

They replace unless it’s right before the endshop

[dusky cypress]

just realized that, sure, while I could take tooth instead, taking acorn in the beginning by mistake is worse more because it means I can't take it into hades than because I lose out on first chamber keepsake utility although I'm sure the speedrunners and high heat players would disagree vehemently with that statement

[latent moon]

for speedrunning you dont really take acorn into styx ever unless it's high heat or you already have a call filled

high heat either acorn or tooth or whatever defensive

hourglass if you're insane

[dusky cypress]

yeah runners just take whatever is most damage (... I think)

[twilit lodge]

Egg into Styx goated

[dusky cypress]

why hourglass for wells

yeah I've already done that prophecy

[latent moon]

sometimes the well before styx is really good

so hourglass is validish

[dusky cypress]

what counts as rly good tho

like what are you actually looking for

I feel like I take the speed vial every time because 10 coins for that is practically free... idk what else

[twilit lodge]

Braids and stones on a cast build

Jerkies on other builds

Ichor with Rush delivery

[native blade]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1031568485857370113/1033580152715743272/unknown.png?width=1246&height=701

[dusky cypress]

is it just looking for "lol special/attack"? I've heard that stygian stacks and hades can get hit from potions for 30 damage x6x6=...10080?

[native blade]

I learnt my lesson, don't piss of Grandmother.

[twilit lodge]

Lots of times by the time you get to Styx wells are the only way to turn obol into power

[dusky cypress]

is that one even that bad

[twilit lodge]

Oh wow I didn’t even know there was a special message for dying to a trial

[dusky cypress]

yeah that p much sounds right

[lean timber]

most of them have that

[latent moon]

for speedrunning, exactly what bingus said
for heat, touch of styx dark and same stuff from speedrunning

you'd also typically use the rest of your rerolls there

unless youre hoping for styx hermes

[lean timber]

chaos notably has a few death lines if you die to one of his curses

[dusky cypress]

don't nvm changed my mind

if idk I want to find out on my own

[lean timber]

"you have provided me some amusement"

[twilit lodge]

Styrmes only shows up when your hammers are trash

Anvil only shows up when you got hyper hasted

[umbral summit]

Does Hypnos have special lines for killing yourself?

[lean timber]

styx hermes only shows up when you have epic greater haste and hyper sprint only to not offer you rd

[lean timber]

yes

[twilit lodge]

There’s one for killing yourself with your shield but idk how you would even do that

He even says it sounds like a bug

[lean timber]

that one is only ea i think

oh no i know how it happens

asterius uses a deflect boon on a shield with explosive return on it, comes back to you and blows up, killing you

i think?

[twilit lodge]

Asterius can deflect?

How have I missed like half of this game smh

[lean timber]

theseus

[umbral summit]

Can you have multiple duo boons?

[lean timber]

meant theseus

[lean timber]

yes

[twilit lodge]

Theseus can deflect?

[lean timber]

bruh

[umbral summit]

I guess I just got unlucky, then

[twilit lodge]

He blocks

I guess I’ve never noticed him deflect

[lean timber]

if he calls upon athena

[twilit lodge]

Oh

Word

[lean timber]

his spear spin/charge has a few deflect frames afterwards

it usually doesn't matter a whole lot

[umbral summit]

Athena makes him deflect? The wiki just mentions impervius

[lean timber]

i think he can...

[twilit lodge]

Immune to perverts

[lean timber]

maybe he can't. in that case, no idea how to trigger that line. must be an ea thing like i thought

[umbral summit]

Maybe there used to be a way to kill yourself with your shield (like a scrapped aspect), but they changed their mind and changed Hypnos's line to a bug implying one instead of deleting it

I can imagine a possible scenario where athena's trial gave enemies deflect, and it was too frustrating and changed to impervious

[latent moon]

imagine getting a mirage shot rd boosted beo shot getting reflected to your face

[umbral summit]

Or a zeus build with 20 bolts

[magic fern]

lmao battie into greater artemis call just skipped theseus second phase

[native blade]

What line?

[native blade]

Lel, nice.

[umbral summit]

Apparently there's a line for dying to your own shield, where Hypnos asks if it was a bug that let you do that

[native blade]

O.

[umbral summit]

So it's probably something that they had a line in for whatever reason, but didn't think it was legitimately possible to get

[native blade]

Clever.

[umbral summit]

I wish entering a hallway with the sack at the end gave you a way to tell

Like a different room design or something

[native blade]

There is a skull above some rooms indicating a muni boss.

Maybe something like a higher sack chance in them?

[umbral summit]

I thought rerolling guaranteed at least one of the boons was a different one?

[native blade]

I wish.

Wish they fixed that.

[umbral summit]

Just encountered an Aphrodite boon with Heartbreak Flourish, Life Affirmation, and Dying Lament, then after rerolling it was exactly those three again

[twilit lodge]

You might not have qualified for any others

If you had no aphro cores and already had the revenge one

[dusky cypress]

am I supposed to purge a special (ares) if I want a better one

is the game particularly likely to offer me a replacement?

[umbral summit]

The bottom two couldn't give me any other cores to try to replace my current ones like the top one did?

Or the top one switching to a different core replacement offer

[twilit lodge]

Yes, replace is normally only a 10% chance

If there were still two you were eligible for then it would only force the top to be a replacement in that case Geriond

The normal “rerolls change things” rules don’t apply when you start to run out of boons to be offered

[latent moon]

nope

[umbral summit]

I would have assumed the top one would have at least rerolled to a different core replacement, but I guess not

[twilit lodge]

Boon offerings get weird when you’re low/out of eligible boons

If you take either of those last two and get another Aphrodite boon, you’ll be offered two replacements

[acoustic bolt]

@latent moon i remember someone saying to practice with speedruns but tbh i die a lot on speedruns because i'm being extremely sloppy for more damage

[twilit lodge]

Can’t do damage when your dead etc

[latent moon]

that's also something that comes with practice lol

[acoustic bolt]

@rustic vale Ooh we get to be rivals. I'll work on a shounen theme

[rustic vale]

I like never die anymore

[acoustic bolt]

true but it's also really hard to do damage while you're running away

[rustic vale]

Time for that to change
40 heat attempts

[twilit lodge]

40 heat smelly

[rustic vale]

Aspect of B*ng*s smelly

[acoustic bolt]

oh you know what happened was you spent several weeks working on shackle runs

so i had time

[rustic vale]

Oh true lmao

That was like a solid 2 or 3 or 4 weeks or something

[latent moon]

lmfao right

[rustic vale]

I told one of my friends I sub10’d and they immediately asked “but what heat was it on”

[acoustic bolt]

bruh

[twilit lodge]

18 💪

[acoustic bolt]

like sub 10 on any heat is just easy

[latent moon]

speedrun 40 heat until you get a sub10 and then you can hard flex

[rustic vale]

True!

Maybe I should do a reddit meme 40 heat pact

Td0

[acoustic bolt]

i could see sub 10 clockets

in fact i think my sub 10 on eris was 30 something

[rustic vale]

40 minute long runp

[latent moon]

look for the screenshot and send it to your friend lol

it'd be a good flex

[acoustic bolt]

it's shackle's friend but he can borrow it XD

[twilit lodge]

How would you even td0 40

That’s like

Standard 40 but em4 and ap2

Or em4 ap1 dc2 actually

[acoustic bolt]

it's like 50 heat but you don't get any of the bragging rights

well for 50

[latent moon]

oh i mixed up the names oops lol

[rustic vale]

Idk
I swear I’ve seen someone post a reddit post where it was 40 heat with td0 and 40 minutes long

[latent moon]

i sent a reddit post about a 40 heat luci clear

[twilit lodge]

Sorry Reddit but I don’t hate myself (quite that much)

[latent moon]

https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/wvv852/proud_hades_moment/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

[rustic vale]

It was 54 minutes long bruh

[twilit lodge]

Jesus Christ ri2

[latent moon]

cf2 js3 cp2

fo1

[rustic vale]

Wait it’s a redditor with pb that’s lower than 30 minutes? Impossible

[latent moon]

lmao

[twilit lodge]

Lmfao

[latent moon]

if youre casually playing without meta builds, you can still get like a 15 minute run

[twilit lodge]

Photoshopped

[latent moon]

before i joined the discord my best runs were about 13-15 minutes

[twilit lodge]

Olympian caller subtitle

Mans just hid and spammed call

[acoustic bolt]

oh nm my eris sub 10 is 9 heat

[twilit lodge]

9 is right next to 30 on the keyboard

[acoustic bolt]

who was it who asked me why my best time was 16 like a few weeks after i got here XD

[native blade]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/755677197670285312/1033591267646513192/unknown.png

Ai, we cooking with gas now folks.

[dusky cypress]

ehhh

I mean I guess it depends if you already have any % boosts or where you got it

[twilit lodge]

Exclusive access, my favorite duo to get in Elysium endshop instead of the duo I want

[dusky cypress]

if you get it in tartarus or like first two chambers of aspho I'd agree

[lean timber]

i think it's time sadly

i have to learn breakpoints and enemy hp values

sob

[twilit lodge]

Don’t do it

[lean timber]

i have to.

[acoustic bolt]

8:30 entering styx? reset 😐

[dusky cypress]

ugggghhhh it feels so bad taking kiss of styx premium for one DD :I

[lean timber]

so don't you literally do not need to

jerky and hydralite are both great

[acoustic bolt]

yeah why

[dusky cypress]

for heroes no, for hades... sort of feels like it

[lean timber]

you're fine as long as you play safely

[dusky cypress]

also not guaranteed I'll get one elsewhere + I don't think I should but its also possible I lose one to heroes

[acoustic bolt]

what heat?

[latent moon]

get 50 sec styx 30 sec dad easy

[lean timber]

don't i wish.

[acoustic bolt]

is that even possible

lol

[latent moon]

yeah

[twilit lodge]

Extremely possible

[latent moon]

lemme find the splits from big p

1:32.84 / 2:48.47 / 3:44.48 / 4:14.93 / 4:48.72

[rustic vale]

I mean I’ve entered styx with 8:10 on the clock before so it’s probably possible to shave 20 seconds from my gameplay

By “Probably possible”, I meant definitely possible

[latent moon]

enter styx 3:44, left styx 4:14

[rustic vale]

😳

[latent moon]

wait that's like a 30 sec styx what

[rustic vale]

Man is fast

[twilit lodge]

Yeah

[rustic vale]

wtf

[twilit lodge]

Watch the vid

[acoustic bolt]

is that hyper rush splash dash breaking wave?

[twilit lodge]

He got east tunnels

Easy

No it’s beo

[acoustic bolt]

oh

[twilit lodge]

Walk in dash shoot

[acoustic bolt]

i always get rats

[twilit lodge]

https://youtu.be/u2huqEjx_iM

[brisk trail]

is there such thing as a shotgun rail builds

[twilit lodge]

Yes

[rustic vale]

Zag is aspect of spreadfire

[acoustic bolt]

spreadfire frost strike

[rustic vale]

Is literally best melee aspect

Spreadfire zag is the best melee aspect

[acoustic bolt]

i could never get it to work at high heat and haven't tried since

[native blade]

Ofc, I did one recently.

[twilit lodge]

I never get spread fire

[rustic vale]

The world revolves around me

[acoustic bolt]

yah

[brisk trail]

not aphro strike?

[umbral summit]

Lucifer is a lot more fun with Triple Bomb

[acoustic bolt]

frost strike lets you arctic blast

[brisk trail]

ohhh ic

[latent moon]

that doesn't make it better than aphro strike imo lmao

[rustic vale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/1016139347646496898/IMG_2152.jpg

[acoustic bolt]

probably not but that's what @rustic vale was doing and i wanted to try it XD

[native blade]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1031568485857370113/1033593427906019399/IMG_3427.jpg

[rustic vale]

Is omega gaming

[acoustic bolt]

i'm sure spreadfire zagrail is the same as zagbow

and arty attack/aphro dash is where it's at

[magic fern]

I finally caught my first very rare fish

[acoustic bolt]

nice

[latent moon]

well the only reason why that works with zag bow is because of the inbuilt crit so you're gonna crit often

idk if that'll work on spread zag rail as well

[rustic vale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/1014933838624985190/IMG_2135.jpg

[latent moon]

but much less crits

[native blade]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1031568485857370113/1033593989468790824/unknown.png

[native blade]

Nice, what's it called?

[magic fern]

the scyllascion

[rustic vale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/1005498087466336266/IMG_2030.jpg

[magic fern]

from tartarus

[rustic vale]

Spreadfire zag rail just works

[acoustic bolt]

the rate of fire is much higher even with flurry

and it's 40 damage. how much damage is flurry?

[lean timber]

60

[rustic vale]

Flurry is 40

wait

No itms 60

[magic fern]

I have deadly strike+hunter dash arthur and it does 700 damage on a crit

[rustic vale]

but bow doesn’t have to reload

[acoustic bolt]

O_o

[magic fern]

this is hilarious

[lean timber]

weak sauce

[latent moon]

you had flurry twin actually so you had a really good crit chance and a pretty good fire rate

[lean timber]

flurry twin is great for zag bow

[twilit lodge]

Flurry twin seriously chunks

[magic fern]

yeah trippy flare hera does more

[acoustic bolt]

ok yeah i was wrong

lol

[latent moon]

flurry twin is great for zag bow as long as you start twin

[rustic vale]

Flurry twin just works

[native blade]

Hestia Rail is the better shotgun imo.

[lean timber]

flurry start is alright too...

[latent moon]

sniper is a better shotgun than a shotgun

[latent moon]

i mean yeah but if given a choice between twin or flurry i'd always pick twin

[lean timber]

well that's not even up for debate lol

twin is busted

[rustic vale]

Ah I’ve been distracted from playing Hades by talk of my beloved spreadfire zagrail

[native blade]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1031568485857370113/1033593989468790824/unknown.png

[rustic vale]

This was clearly a ploy from @acoustic bolt

[acoustic bolt]

i love the ghost thumbs up

[native blade]

Hestia Spread Fire.

[acoustic bolt]

https://tenor.com/view/burning-hell-muahaha-evil-laugh-gif-10739654

[rustic vale]

Hestia shot is unchanged

[native blade]

Ik, but still.

[dusky cypress]

2 DDs and only 226, far and away the least health I've had access to on what should be able to win (scintillating feast + triple bomb, wish me luck)

[twilit lodge]

When I did the esc_apade spread fire Hestia challenge

After a while I stopped even using the hesty gimmick

And just dstrike spammed lol

[magic fern]

crit arthur build probably just got me a new tis pr lmao

I set up hallowed ground and start smacking

[native blade]

Lel.

[brisk trail]

do the boss satyr chambers ever contain the sack

[rustic vale]

Yes

[dusky cypress]

I find my main issue in hades now

is visual clutter

[rustic vale]

do the first 2 boss chambers first unless you really really want a reward from a different chamber

[dusky cypress]

I can't fcking see his tells

[rustic vale]

Hades is a perfect game with no flaws

[brisk trail]

oh so they have higher chance of having the sack?

[rustic vale]

No

But they’re faster and easier and the 2nd chamber you enter has the highest chance of having the sack
Then you can rely on 3rd tunnel hopefully having sack if that doesn’t happen and not having to do a normal tunnel final chamber is gaming

Doing the boss chambers as your first 2 chambers decreases your likelyhood of having to do normal tunnels

[umbral summit]

Plus they have better potency rewards as long as they're kinds that are still useful

[brisk trail]

ic

[lean timber]

okay someone help me out cuz i forgot, the alternate chambers that appear for minibosses like the dart trap room for doomstone, the ring room for infernobombers, etc., are a result of middle management right? not extreme measures?

[umbral summit]

extreme measures doesn't affect them at all

lmao

[dusky cypress]

extreme measures is purely for the main boss fights xd

[umbral summit]

If you charm Thesius and he does his Ares call, every single one of the tracking red spears occurs at his spot at rapid fire

[lean timber]

i thought so but it's been a while since i played

[dusky cypress]

did you read them before jumping back in if u weren't sure

[spice hearth]

They also appear under asterius if he’s still alive 🧠

[umbral summit]

Lucifer + Tempest Strike is very silly on the Styx giant rats

With Eternal Chamber

[dusky cypress]

hmm... 100 gems for a diamond, not a titan blood but still half an ambrosia (or half a tb)

[umbral summit]

Only got 2 Poseidon boons this run 😦

[twilit lodge]

Charming Theseus right before any of his calls makes him target himself or asterius

It’s fun

I don’t know if it actually hurts them

But charmed enemies don’t hurt you so that’s at least a plus

[lean timber]

everyone here must think i'm a newbie or moron huh

[umbral summit]

It doesn't hurt them, sadly

[lean timber]

well, at least charm does one damage!

[twilit lodge]

Mattyboi (new here arc)

[rustic vale]

MM
EM only affects asterius fight

Mattyboi(sub40 arc)

[latent moon]

you are

newbie matty

[lean timber]

which one 🤨

[latent moon]

both

[lean timber]

💔

[rustic vale]

Matty start a freshfile right now and go undercover

[latent moon]

"first clear!" matty in like 3 days probably

[rustic vale]

If you aren’t matty, pretend you didn’t see this

[twilit lodge]

See what

[latent moon]

who's matty

[rustic vale]

Matty? I hardly know ‘er

[lean timber]

hey guys i just got this game, i can't get past the first world how do i move on??

i only use the spear it's really good

probably best weapon in the game

[rustic vale]

Not discount beo?

[twilit lodge]

“I almost beat the final boss!!! I hate the spike traps in her aren!”

[latent moon]

i suggest sticking to #h1-for-new-players so you dont get spoiled

[lean timber]

thanks!

[rustic vale]

Awww so close

You’ll get them next time!

[tired karma]

Would u rather play fortnite or hades

[latent moon]

hadeez

[lean timber]

i love fortnite 😄 i'm really good at "hitting the griddy"

[twilit lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/kratos-fortnite-kratos-kratos-dancing-kratos-griddy-kratos-fortnite-gif-26561093

[lean timber]

shield?? there's a shield in this game??

[twilit lodge]

Shield dn

[lean timber]

is that some kind of shorthand i don't know yet

[tired karma]

Hey it's kratos from fortnite

[lean timber]

fort night

[tired karma]

Crazy that they made a game around fortnite char

[rustic vale]

Fortnite fortnite
You can’t do the default dance of the griddy in Hades, it’s automatically a worse game
Zag rail is really just a worse Scar

[rustic vale]

Deez nuts

You’ll only improve from here

[tired karma]

Hades doesn't even have a slurp juice on hand

[twilit lodge]

Fork knife is my favorite game

[magic fern]

i have never played

[tired karma]

And Hades doesn't have Goku

[rustic vale]

[native blade]

You weren’t kidding, this hits me so hard.

[magic fern]

are there mods for it

[lean timber]

not yet

[graceful shard]

how do you even get enough titan blood for all the weapons!?

you only get one per weapon

that's not even close to enough

[rustic vale]

Do all bounties
Fishing
Trading

[graceful shard]

fishing?

[rustic vale]

If you haven’t killed hades yet you won’t be getting there anytime soon

[graceful shard]

uh im on boss 3

so no

[rustic vale]

Is a thing later in game

Also I realise I may have just spoiled some crap

Uh

Stick to #h1-for-new-players if you want to avoid that people actually have to be mindful about spoilers there

[twilit lodge]

Oh my gosh the boss of hades is hades?

????!

[rustic vale]

But yeah you can ultimately get 252 titans blood from completing runs alone

Other then that minor prophecies, fishing, and trading for the other 50 or so you need

[twilit lodge]

Hades is bleeding into real life, episode of The 100 I’m watching is titled Exit Wounds

I bet they didn’t even pay royalties to SGG for that!!

[lean timber]

https://hades.fandom.com/wiki/Patch_004

i found it, this is the early access thing with the shield damage

[twilit lodge]

Fixed an issue where the Aegis weapon could be cloned.

Ballin

[native blade]

YEAAGH!!! I moticed that in one of my runs and it just happened for half a second so ignored it.

[twilit lodge]

I never played during EA

Sounds wild

Gross, c1 rail hazard explosive flurry

How tf are you supposed to go fast with Lucifer smh

[rustic vale]

Triple bomb

[twilit lodge]

Only got triple beam c1

Reset after double fury taxed

Guess I’ll hesty this cursed seed

Maimed strike but it’s hesty

So whatever

[vital tapir]

double fury tax

[twilit lodge]

Yeah it was bad

[vital tapir]

unfort

was it alecto snd bad timing on supports

[twilit lodge]

Meg and Tis

And zap Lucifer triple beam

[vital tapir]

i wish triple beam was good

[dusky cypress]

double fury taxed lmao

[twilit lodge]

50hp is real 😦

Hoyl sijt

I just megged all 4 witches for the first time ever

[vital tapir]

there’s a setup for it if you want

[twilit lodge]

Yeah I’ve been following it but always messed up the aiming

I aimed a cast at top witch this time

-51% ms chaos curse but then I got hyper sprint 💪

[dusky cypress]

damn I really had to clench my cheeks just to avoid getting taxed by FO1 EM alecto smh

world splitter sux

[twilit lodge]

It do

[dusky cypress]

once again, dash strikes are my friend

[rustic vale]

They are always your friend

Except when playing lucifer

[cyan jolt]

Woah i just improved my pb by 3 minutes

Aspect of Gilgamesh is op

[dusky cypress]

nice

uhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[rustic vale]

Is not overpowered

It’s regular powered

[twilit lodge]

When you play Lucifer you have no friends:(

[dusky cypress]

stupid... uggghhh

just got lernie taxed because of it doing 5 groundpounds instead of 3

[twilit lodge]

Blue head?

[dusky cypress]

is that the only one able to do so, or is it just because falling rocks are the most dangerous (idk if that's true although its my gut answer)? yes it was

there's no point in taking miniboss/harder chambers unless its a trial if you already have exclusive access, right?

[rustic vale]

Yeah blue head can slam 1-6 times

[rustic vale]

I mean bball or asterius would be faster then normal rooms I think?

[dusky cypress]

asterius faster than normal rooms???

I'd agree w/ bball 100%, not entirely sure about aster

[rustic vale]

Faster then normal elysium rooms

[dusky cypress]

yeah

[rustic vale]

I’m not sure though

[dusky cypress]

I mean idk I feel like the warriors are decently fast

chariots are tanky as hell, should def be slower than all or mostly all witches

[rustic vale]

It’s just that elysium normal rooms drag on and on

Spawning more waves

They seem to take forever

[spice hearth]

Higher health enemies too 🙃

[rustic vale]

bball and asterius don’t have 1000 waves

so

[spice hearth]

bball can have a thousand waves if you don’t kill it fast enough

[rustic vale]

If it takes that long you’ve a build issue

Or a skill issue

[dusky cypress]

I have 0 clue how to dash strike with any rhythm on sword and not immediately die to hades

or at least I did with arthur

[dull dew]

how do i upgrade my weapons

i have 2 titan blood

[twilit lodge]

You need to have them all unlocked first

All 6

[twilit lodge]

Yeah sword dstrikes are wonky sometimes, if you just press dash+attack over and over you do a standing strike while your dashes are on cooldown

And eventually it does the full combo including the thrust

And that moves you out of position easily

[dusky cypress]

wait why is my next amb gift -2 (m'dusa - funnier to call her that than maidusa, dunno who I stole from)

[twilit lodge]

If you do two dash+attacks at a time then empty dash to reposition it feels better to me anyway

[twilit lodge]

Dusa takes increasing amounts of ambrosia, it’s weird

[dusky cypress]

that sounds... v weird

and you calling it weird makes it sound like its the only one that does (or like 1/2 if not)

[twilit lodge]

Well the explanation is that you’re helping her stock the lounge

Or at least after the fact that’s the explanation

You’ll get it back

[dusky cypress]

I wish the game would tell me about the purely cosmetic details when it says "purely cosmetic" next to items (observation bats or w/e its called gives you a birds, err, bats-eye view of the whole house, v nice, and the fish cage for the lounge lets you know # of fish so I can tell how long I've gone without catching a single damn legendary fish so I can end that prophecy

damn?

apparently you can say damn

I really thought damn was part of the filter tbh

[twilit lodge]

Blood and darkness

I’m still finding new functional decorations

I just got one recently for 3000 gems that tells me how many fountains I’ve used

[dusky cypress]

yeah and its like... y

like technically it does

[dusky cypress]

but also I don't want to trust my reading, go "oh that should do something" then it turns out no screw you it doesn't

of fountains sounds kind of interesting

especially if I paid god knows how many gems for cosmetic upgrades I'd like to have known sooner the bat colony gives me this option xd

[dull dew]

oh

[sonic grove]

so question regarding fishing. I've caught 100+ fish so far and haven't gotten a single rare, and looking at the logs, there's apparently a thing called "Perfect Catch"

do really i need to press at the EXACT frame the bobber gets caught to get it?

or is there a mechanic i've been missing this entire time

[twilit lodge]

0.00-0.33 seconds I think

To get a perfect catch (50% chance of rare fish, 50% chance of legendary)

0.34-0.66 is just a normal catch, 50% common fish 50% rare fish

[dusky cypress]

wait what

[sonic grove]

i was watching a friend play the game onstream and despite doing the relatively same thing, they've managed to casually fish out a rare fish

[dusky cypress]

uggghhhh

[twilit lodge]

Rare fish can be caught with a normal catch

[sonic grove]

unless i've been catching nothing but rare fish this entire time and the list doesn't register because i need to catch the common ones first

[twilit lodge]

Legendaries cannot

[dusky cypress]

well now I'm paying more attention altho isn't the average (audio since I'm p sure that ones supposed to be considerably faster) reaction time... considerably slower than 0.33?

[twilit lodge]

Common fish can only be caught with a regular catch

[dusky cypress]

0.33 secs seems kind of screwed up

[twilit lodge]

🤷‍♂️

Common Tartarus fish is Hellfish, Legendary is Scyllascion

Can’t remember the Rare

[sonic grove]

so far i've been only catching the following:
||Hellfish, Knucklehead - Slavug, Crustacean - Chlam, Charp, - Gupp, Scuffer - Mati, Projelly - Bass, Trout||

[twilit lodge]

Yeah sounds like you’re only doing regular catches

[sonic grove]

if only there was a fishing practice area

[dusky cypress]

ayy starting out the run with epic premium vintage (well, 2nd room)

is premium vintage a tier 2 (... idk what to call that, because I imagine its only locked if you don't have another boon that can receive poms) boon?

[twilit lodge]

You can get vintage as your very first boon

[dusky cypress]

mmk

[twilit lodge]

Remember the Pom bonus to nectar was an upgrade you purchased

[dusky cypress]

yeah I was aware but still

[twilit lodge]

Idk what the terminology is supposed to be but I would call premium vintage a non-core

The attack special cast dash are cores

The boons that require a core are tier 2

Like the ones that boost hangover somehow, or boost festive fog

And then legendaries require at least one t2

[dusky cypress]

yes I know vintage is a non-core

ok idk if I've done it before but I just perfect catch'd

I wouldn't put it past me to have done that a number of times and just... never notice the different text

does hades teleporting clear his status effects?

[twilit lodge]

I think so?

Can you not reroll Poms with ap?

Or can you just not reroll Poms from fountain chambers

[dusky cypress]

also I'm saying the previous thing (idk if that was in this channel) about "I don't think asterius is faster than normal rooms" because I haven't really done jury summons in basically any capacity

ahhhh so splitting bolt will wreck groups of enemies?

[gray apex]

You can

[tired karma]

How would u react if devs add emotes
Like zag doing a griddy emote after beating hades

[twilit lodge]

I would sell all of my stock in SGG immediately

[dusky cypress]

xd

[gray apex]

Yes

[gray apex]

Asterius is faster than most non JS rooms too, you just need good damage

[twilit lodge]

Hoyl sijt I beat hydra on 40 finally

[dusky cypress]

I know its already faster if you have good damage, I found out that much already, just wasn't confident about mediocre-ish damage/damage that doesn't let you basically facetank all attacks

ty for answering a noobs question tho

[twilit lodge]

For some reason I thought you meant he moves faster than JS rooms

And was confuse

[gray apex]

He’s tricky on high heat for example, especially with EM but I’ll still take it regardless, he’s more predictable than normal rooms

[twilit lodge]

Pop sd before picking up a heart right

[gray apex]

If you gain hp

[dusky cypress]

despite what seemed like a really good run/build I only beat hades w/ 71 health left -_-

mind if I ping you in victory boast mike

[twilit lodge]

Thank everything

Patty showed up

I’m saved

[dusky cypress]

btw does anyone have any idea what the average first clear (if I want a specific statistic/it's available I'd be happy with themedian) is for new players???

[twilit lodge]

Like how many escapes in?

[gray apex]

I don’t mind

[twilit lodge]

I usually see 10-20 at the low end

And 100 at the high end

[vital tapir]

it glitches rarely

[dull dew]

should i tkae cursed slash?

[twilit lodge]

This early in the game sure

[vital tapir]

always good to try things

[twilit lodge]

Then you don’t have to get it later for the orophecy lol

[dull dew]

im on 0 heat

[hardy spear]

everyone's going to say no but just take it if you want

[twilit lodge]

Everyone saying yes:

[hardy spear]

[gray apex]

It doesn’t, but if you only have 3 options available you cant reroll even if you want something else crossed out, so it doesn’t take into consideration the crossed out boon

[twilit lodge]

Oh that makes sense

[vital tapir]

oh huh

that explains what i was thinking of

[gray apex]

When you roll a pom it can not give you the same 3 options again

Whether crossed out or not

[twilit lodge]

I swear

Theseus only charges through the middle of the arena when I’m doing poorly

[hardy spear]

people reroll poms?

[twilit lodge]

Otherwise he stays on the outside forever

[hardy spear]

dont tell me youre getting outplayed by that guy

[twilit lodge]

It’s my first time doing 40 heat heroes leave me alone

[hardy spear]

👍

dont get ran over

[twilit lodge]

YEEYEE

[dusky cypress]

what boons apply to the bull rush?

and pulverizing blow is more damage than hit once>minimum charge time w/ sudden rush (like 0.08 seconds? not sure) > more hits?

[twilit lodge]

I… what?

[dull dew]

i have all 6 weapons now, it still isnt letting me reveal

[twilit lodge]

Attack boons

[dusky cypress]

I mean yeah I sort of figured but I also thought there were a bunch that were excluded from that or smthn

[twilit lodge]

Nope… the Bull rush is part of your attack so whatever boon you may have on attack affects it and its damage

Same with charged shot

[dusky cypress]

? ok

well yeah I know its

attack > hold

its not your dash attack because that has a separate animation

[twilit lodge]

Right

It’s just your attack

[dusky cypress]

it just always feels like such a weird thing to remember I have, esp after using zeus shield + knowing "wow I really want pulverizing blow with this, don't I?"

[twilit lodge]

The rush isn’t always easy to use I’ll agree

It’s a lot easier to use with charged shot

When I play zag shield I’m not good at using the charge

I just dash strike

The windup from attack into block and charge is just sluggish feeling to me

I get hit more trying to do that that when just dstriking

[dusky cypress]

I could believe that

[twilit lodge]

I haven’t played it since I got Beowulf though so maybe I’m better at charging now

Dashing and then charging makes it charge a bit faster but I don’t know if it speeds up the delay between attacking and shield being up to block or not

[native blade]

There’s a bit of lag to all of Arthur’s attacks rii? Cuz of how bug his moves are?

[twilit lodge]

Sure

[native blade]

I'm genuinely asking, I feel a bit of lag to all my dodges, I'm wondering if it's just placebo.

[twilit lodge]

His swing combo is pretty slow so I imagine you’re locked into it for a while and can’t dodge cancel it yeah

[native blade]

Kewl.

[dusky cypress]

dodge cancel? I noticed I could cancel world-splitter attacks into dash-attacks, is it just that?

[twilit lodge]

Yeah a lot of things can be dashed out of

Like the sword special can be dashed out of before it even hits anything

Which is annoying

And guan yu special throw has a wind-down after you use it

Where you can’t use it again or attack

But you can dash out of that

I think the fact that you can dash out of world splitter is part of why it is considered a bad hammer

Because you’re cancelling your own attacks sometimes

[high island]

You can't dash-cancel the sword's Special.

[native blade]

Yes, u can.

[twilit lodge]

I’ve done it before when playing nemesis, unintentionally and undesired..ly?

[native blade]

U do it constantly.

[high island]

You can dash-cancel the recovery, but if you dash during the startup, the special's active frames will still trigger after your dash.

[twilit lodge]

Oh really, word

Including activating nemesis?

[raw herald]

If you dash during the start up, you’ll do something that looks kinda like dash nova

[twilit lodge]

I always just assumed that when I was accidentally interrupting it that it was cancelling it entirely

[high island]

Dash Nova honestly looks so much like it was inspired by the Special startup > dash > Special hit tech we'd been using already before that.

[twilit lodge]

Hm I’m in the courtyard and if I dash late enough into it the special still lands

But if i dash early enough it doesn’t

I’m basing this on the shockwave showing up vs not

Correction: Dash striking fully interrupts it

But empty dashes don’t

Standing strikes interrupt it too

Today I learned

[high island]

The reason it's considered "bad" is that the Special > Dash-Strike x2 rotation is still better for DPS. So it's a hammer that buffs an attack that still reduces your DPS if you actually use it.

[twilit lodge]

Sword hammers are like playing the lottery

If losing the lottery meant you get punched in the face

[sonic grove]

with a hammer

[native blade]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1031568485857370113/1033707531719147530/unknown.png?width=1129&height=701

Looks like u really can't beat Hades with SD.

Damn...

I reached Hades phase 3 too.

[dusky cypress]

I'm assuming that's a hell mode thing?

[hardy spear]

no

it's em4

[dusky cypress]

no he said SD

idk what SD is

[hardy spear]

thats stubborn defiance

[dusky cypress]

ohhhhh

I mean its decently fast outside of EM4 but uhhhh you'll be doing the majority of the fight w/o it

[hardy spear]

?

[dusky cypress]

kind of sucks to see it as opposed to quite a few other legendary/heroic/duo boons but if I don't have much better options than

wait defiance

I was thinking stubborn roots

[hardy spear]

stubborn defiance is you get one revive every room

[dusky cypress]

THAT

yeah I don't use that lol

[hardy spear]

its only good in high heat really

[twilit lodge]

I killed Hades with SD just a little while ago

[dusky cypress]

I probably could do that rn but I'd also probably be removing most forms of heat xd

[hardy spear]

whats with the cursed pact and mirror here

[dusky cypress]

not like they did it to help me nor was I the person ask but def ty to whoever mentioned the "perfect catch" thing on the fishing minigame

[twilit lodge]

🤷‍♂️ he enjoys playing with those mirror choices

[native blade]

Self Made Challenge.

[dusky cypress]

it wasn't enough to look it up or ask for my own sake, but I was def wondering how and why the hell I had caught nearly 100 fish w/o a lengedary one yet xd

[native blade]

Huh? U mean on reddit?

[hardy spear]

quirky

[native blade]

Thank You.

[dusky cypress]

no someone mentioned it a few hours ago in this chat

[twilit lodge]

Not like other girls

[hardy spear]

i refuse to do em4

[native blade]

O.

[dusky cypress]

doooooo ittttttt

[hardy spear]

no.

[native blade]

https://tenor.com/view/innervmin-wink-tongue-flirt-quirky-gif-21812008

[native blade]

U do u Hamie

Don't let em bully u.

[twilit lodge]

Em4 is worth doing for the song unlock if nothing else

[hardy spear]

id rather do ri2

[twilit lodge]

And without other heat options is not difficult

[hardy spear]

yeah just em4 might do that sometime

[twilit lodge]

Phase three didn’t even last long enough to hear the new music 😭

[dusky cypress]

fr fr

[dusky cypress]

wait, was your first EM4 just for that 40 heat run you just did?

[hardy spear]

wow you must hate yourself

[twilit lodge]

No, I didn’t do em4 on 40 heat

I did em4 a while back on jts own for the music and to experience it

[dusky cypress]

ahh

was that comment to me or bingus

[hardy spear]

ngl ri2 makes me consider doing em4 on 50 heat

[hardy spear]

if bingus had done em4 40 heat

[dusky cypress]

I'm like 90% certain ri2-4 (maybe ri1 as well, god I hate ri) is worse than EM4

EM1-3 is more than easy enough by my estimates tho

[hardy spear]

nah definetly not

a bit aspect dependant tho

if youre instaphasing on beo and rama then sure

[twilit lodge]

My 40 was HL5 LC4 JS1 EM3 BP2 MM UC FO2 HS AP1 TD3

[native blade]

Enkidu giving me free dashes is already enough.

[twilit lodge]

Issa mouthful

[dusky cypress]

I only recognize half of those by name

[hardy spear]

mine was the same but js2 instead of hs i think

[hardy spear]

#h1-high-heat-strategies message
the list of abbreviations in case you want to check it

[twilit lodge]

HS low key helped (me kill myself to pop SD when I needed to)

[dusky cypress]

r u really telling me all of RI isn't worse than EM4?

[hardy spear]

im not good enough to consider going above 50 so idk

[dusky cypress]

ehh fair

like

[hardy spear]

em4 takes a lot of learning

[dusky cypress]

just from a personal "I hate my life and want to end it all"

I feel like RI is top of the list

[hardy spear]

yeah

[dusky cypress]

as far as heat I'd wish to undertake last and least

[hardy spear]

the problem with em4 is that it makes the hades fight like 4 times harder plus you have to use sd in high heat

[dusky cypress]

like idk if I'm unique in this (probably a couple other screwballs who did this too) but my first hades clear I made sure not to use the mirror traits at all lol

[hardy spear]

wacko

[twilit lodge]

Obvious reptilian

[dusky cypress]

and now I can't stand the idea of, god forbid, not using my mirror talents

[hardy spear]

fr

[dusky cypress]

yeah I know fckin' wacky isn't it

[twilit lodge]

I can’t tell if ri2/3 would be less of a blow than ri1 or not

Like obviously they include ri1

[hardy spear]

i started struggling in tartarus again after putting on ri2 for the first time

[twilit lodge]

But ri1 is the one that knocks out the most bang

[dusky cypress]

wouldn't... keeping the persuasion be better?

[hardy spear]

youre misunderstanding something but im not sure what

[dusky cypress]

persuasion + that juicy heccin' duo/legendary chance

ri2/3 would be less of a blow than r1 or not (ignoring the "r2/3/4 all include previous)

[dusky cypress]

oh, this is a different person responding to me

[hardy spear]

ri2 just took some getting used to in early game

[twilit lodge]

2 knocks out family favorite, money, and Hp

[dusky cypress]

I mean I already said I've done a 12 heat run just by not using mirror before I even had access

[twilit lodge]

So early game hard

[dusky cypress]

I think I've always taken the exposed one lol

[twilit lodge]

But ri1 knocks out the most important ones

[hardy spear]

ri1 knocks out the anti rng

me on my way to get 6 darkness rooms in a row

[dusky cypress]

I don't care about fast special if I'm running demeter right?

hecc

kind of sad to think "I'd 100% beat up charon for his lunch money" and not have the opportunity

[twilit lodge]

Swift Flourish?

Not really since you wanna be using dash upper anyway

[dusky cypress]

ur supposed to dash upper? (I guess its enough damage to be overkill on like 95% of enemies, but still didn't know that)

[twilit lodge]

Yeah the standard combo for Demeter fists is dash striking until cutter is charged

Then dash strike upper

[dusky cypress]

dash strikes count towards it? haven't bothered counting it out yet (I already know that it resets the combo so I've been doing it alot)

[twilit lodge]

Which is just what it sounds like, a dash strike plus special

Any “Attack” that hits counts, be it a standing attack or a dash strike

[dusky cypress]

no the dash strike thing

I mean if you said dash upper I understood that (the game itself calls it the dash upper/directs you to do so when practicing on skelly when you equip the fists in the courtyard)

[twilit lodge]

I’m confused about what you’re asking sorry

[dusky cypress]

I didn't know/realize the dash strike counts towards the 12

[twilit lodge]

It does yes

[dusky cypress]

I just thought it was standing attacks (I still do dash strikes because it goes faster but still)

huh

do I just take rush delivery even though its 50% and not risk rerolling it (I already have hyper sprint)

[twilit lodge]

We never reroll rush delivery for rarity

[dusky cypress]

I'm still thinking about it tbh

[twilit lodge]

Its hard enough to find to begin with

[dusky cypress]

yeah that's a lot of other boons it could get that I wouldn't like nearly as much... ugh

[twilit lodge]

Even common RD is strong

With hyper sprint it means you get a 50% global boost when you’re dash striking regularly

[dusky cypress]

yeah

[twilit lodge]

And you can get greater haste from 3rd Hermes for even more, and ichors are now a cheap damage source

[dusky cypress]

doesn't it take longer than the 0.5 seconds to refresh dash?

I take ichors as a rule of thumb anyways (maybe I won't on higher heats tho)

[twilit lodge]

Yeah but it will last long enough to buff your dash strikes

And since it’s global it will even affect flat damage sources like tidal dash, or if you’re using hangover or lightning on your attacks

Unlike things that buff Attack/Special only

And it’ll buff cutter on dem fist as long as you dash upper (preferably dash strike upper like I said before)

Just good stuff all around

[dusky cypress]

dym something else by dash strike upper???

just dash strike > upper? (yes I know dash upper is faster, wanna say it does less damage too which is why I didn't want to use it as much)

[native blade]

STUBBORN ROOTS SUPREMACY!!!

[native blade]

It doesn't do less dmg.

[dusky cypress]

kk ty

stubborn roots... really? u didn't have a better boon available?

I don't feel like its ever saved a run for me lol

[twilit lodge]

You would press dash and attack together and then quickly press special after

[dusky cypress]

ok just learned that I think getting hit by EM3 theseus slows him down and it looks like I take even more hits for it? so I'll try to avoid that

yes

[twilit lodge]

It lets you combine a dash strike and a dash upper in one dash

[dusky cypress]

I know what a dash upper is and how to do it

you just continued to say "dash strike upper" and was wondering if that phrase had any extra significance I wasn't aware of

[twilit lodge]

Well just a dash upper is only the special

So it’s less damage out of the one dash

Compared to a dash strike upper

[native blade]

U realise I have Stubborn Defiance rii?

Also, I proc'd 12,499 damage.

[twilit lodge]

Did you, or did you maim something before Than nuked it for what would normally be 9999

[dusky cypress]

fair but I've still only used it literally only once

[hardy spear]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/760937630082400327/1033725674776703007/43d14324-feec-499c-9832-b3e1d3967e6d.png

ok

[twilit lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/played-gif-13534492

[hardy spear]

tempest strike actually decreased my damage too because im using shackle

[twilit lodge]

Oh no

That’ll teach you to buy a shop boon I guess

[native blade]

Ah, still, that's like 2000 proc damage rii?

[hardy spear]

wait i got clockets this might be the run

[twilit lodge]

No you just made Thanatos do 25% more lol

Still fun to see

[native blade]

I just went from 147 to 1047 in a single sack.

[native blade]

True, true.

[dusky cypress]

ayyyyy I got last stand when I wanted it xd

[sonic grove]

does athena's death defiance stuff stack if you're still full?

i know chaos' does but i'm too scared to waste a boon trying it out in athena's so i just never do

[rustic vale]

If you’re full you don’t get new dd’s

[sonic grove]

ah, good to know

[twilit lodge]

I always forget chaos is an extra and not a refill

But it shows up so rarely that it hasn’t mattered

I’m intensely curious to read whatever Nyaanyaa has been typing :0

[rustic vale]

Probably something along the lines of what I was typing

But better worded

[native blade]

Ok.

Ok,

Ok.

[twilit lodge]

,

[native blade]

Enkidu absolutely frux.

I just absolutely dominated em4.

I didn't even use Stubborn Roots.

[twilit lodge]

[rustic vale]

?

Stubborn roots… ain’t that good?

[dusky cypress]

expert enjoyer type beat

[rustic vale]

It definitely isn’t a run carrier

[native blade]

https://tenor.com/view/predator-arnold-schwarzenegger-hand-shake-arms-gif-3468629

[twilit lodge]

But the question on everyone’s lips is

Was god mode off

[native blade]

You realise that means I didn't lose my SD rii?

[native blade]

Did I...?

[sonic grove]

stubborn roots is just a safety net, right?

[twilit lodge]

Stubborn toots

[native blade]

Ye, it's pretty much made for SD.

[rustic vale]

A relatively bad safety net yes

[native blade]

Ye, cuz you're a DD user.

[rustic vale]

it’s slow at what it does

[native blade]

aka cring.

[twilit lodge]

[sonic grove]

i've gotten it a total of twice and used it a total of once for 5 seconds before completing the run anyways

[twilit lodge]

Mods please remove this filthy DD utilizer from my sight now

[sonic grove]

so i never figured out how good it was

[dusky cypress]

hurrayyyyyyy I just lost to hit stun

[twilit lodge]

How good is “not very”

[rustic vale]

Not anymore I’m running 40 heat with lc4

[native blade]

Your name is awesome btw.

[native blade]

Lel, then you'll understand soon.

[twilit lodge]

I beat a 40 finally

[sonic grove]

best aspect tbh

[rustic vale]

I’m not chasing a stupid duo that doesn’t fit well with other builds

[dusky cypress]

I just died to hades because of hit stun, yeeeeeeeeeeyyyyyyy

[twilit lodge]

Yes, soon on 40 heat Shackle will understand why you are a staunch supporter of SD

[native blade]

Facts.

[high island]

When you lose your SD in a chamber before picking up Last Stand or Deathless Stand from Lady Athena, she will fill that SD slot with a DD. And then when you enter the next chamber, you also get your SD back like normal. So you can get up to two DDs from her + your SD. That behavior was an accident that we discovered in high heat during Early Access, but when the devs heard about it, they evidently decided to leave it in the game anyway.

Touch of Styx Dark from Patroclus can also potentially last up to the Hades fight. SD heals for 30%, Last Stand adds at least +10% to that, and Touch of Styx Dark adds +50%. So you can end up with 1 SD and 2 DDs that all heal for 90% or more in the Hades fight... instead of the 3 DDs that heal for 50% if you start with DDs. And if you also find a Touch of Styx in a Well of Charon before Hades, your 2 DDs and 1 SD can even heal for 100%.

So SD has the potential to be a lot stronger than DDs.

LC4 of course is the main reason we use SD in high heat, because it allows us to heal; but the other factors I listed also make it a pretty strong option with the drawback that you can also end up with no extra DDs or anything...

You'll need an Attack, Special, Cast, or Dash first from Lady Athena before you can get her DD boons.

The go-to build I recommend to players who are just starting to get into high heat (or who only want to do 32 once) is actually to start with Lady Aphrodite for good damage + Weak, and then to switch to Lady Athena's keepsake in Asphodel to get her Divine Dash and then her DD boons. It's just really effective.

By the way, since you play with God Mode on, you will benefit even more from damage reduction like Weak or from any Dodge chance that you can get than without God Mode. And Centaur Hearts are also a lot stronger than they are without God Mode. So prioritizing those effects and max HP can help you a lot in your runs if you're having difficulty.

[twilit lodge]

On the lasers? V annoying when that happens

[rustic vale]

SD is literally useless if you aren’t running lc4

[twilit lodge]

I dropped my slash jay

[high island]

Evidently, I was already writing paragraphs about why you're wrong before you even thought of writing that this time.

[rustic vale]

[sonic grove]

actually, a question regarding heat. is it fine to just skip ahead and crack up the heat levels to levels i'm not longer chill with or would that be a waste of the lower heat rewards?

[odd lintel]

Silly question:
Context: I accidentally started a run with heat higher than the level my weapon was ready for
Question: assuming I beat this run, will I earn the rewards from skipped heat levels too?

[native blade]

Nah dw, Gilga carried me. Thx tho.

[odd lintel]

oh lol I just asked the same thing as bophades

[twilit lodge]

Nyaanyaa used Future Sight

[rustic vale]

Idk I don’t wanna throw athena into just any random build is the thing

[twilit lodge]

Shackle fainted

[native blade]

OnlyFacts.

[rustic vale]

Nope

[odd lintel]

all right thanks

[twilit lodge]

If you win, you will not have skipped any levels

[rustic vale]

True

[sonic grove]

i'm currently on a 10-winning streak and while it is funny to just beat hades up repeatedly, it's starting to get really boring because my runs have become more of how fast can i go this time than can i win this run?

[twilit lodge]

You were only required to use x heat, so you get the bounties from x heat

[native blade]

Nope, but u won't lose the rewards if you stay at the same heat level after beating it.

[twilit lodge]

That you used x+n heat is irrelevant

[native blade]

Try my patented Flex build.

[odd lintel]

gotcha so if I was meant to do heat 3 and played on heat 4 then I'd get the rewards from heat 3 and would have heat 4's available to earn in my next run

[sonic grove]

i just want to see what the deal is with EM4 already but at the same time i don't want to skip out on the rewards which i'll definitely have to do anyways

[rustic vale]

Go for sub10!

[native blade]

You won't lose rewards.

[odd lintel]

check the message I posted right before the one I'm replying to. seems I got it right by the thumbs up on it

[sonic grove]

i mean yeah but that means i'll still have to do the lower heat levels at some point, right?

[rustic vale]

Nope?

[odd lintel]

no, you'll earn the rewards from the lower levels even if you're 10 heat levels above

[sonic grove]

oh what

[native blade]

Yeah, Hades' goated like that.

[sonic grove]

that's nice to know

[odd lintel]

say your weapon has never earned rewards you can play on heat 10 and you'd earn the rewards from heat 0, then play another run and you'd win the rewards from heat 1 and so on

[twilit lodge]

This person gets it

[rustic vale]

Is not the same for 0 heat*

[dusky cypress]

nope just skull > spear throw, only FO1 not even 2... fists tho

[rustic vale]

I believe?

I could completely be wrong here

[native blade]

Fists socks.

[odd lintel]

oops well nvm heat 0 then xD

[dusky cypress]

yep

[rustic vale]

My memory isn’t always the greatest

[sonic grove]

proceeds to turn every single punishment option immediately

[twilit lodge]

Enjoy your c1 funeral

[rustic vale]

Enjoy 63 heat 💀

[sonic grove]

definitely not doing that yet but i just want to know what exactly is waiting out there with EM4 because i haven't died in a long time

[twilit lodge]

I couldn’t even turn on all the heat options when I first unlocked heat 💀

[sonic grove]

Wh

[rustic vale]

I’m assuming you ain’t on hell mode

[twilit lodge]

Mirror wasn’t fully unlocked

[sonic grove]

EM3 scared the crabs out of me but i somehow didn't even use a single DD the first time i've done it

[high island]

Yeah! Absolutely! If there's no danger of losing the run, you are in fact not getting good practice for dealing with higher heats... You don't want to push so far out of your comfort zone that you have no chance at all, but you also don't want to play at heats so low that you're not being challenged.

An exception to that is practicing speedruns because it's effective practice for a lot of the same skills that you would need in higher heats.

Of course there's nothing wrong with playing with less of a challenge and taking things more casually if that's more fun to you or you just want to relax etc.

[twilit lodge]

EM3 is literally the worst thing ever

[native blade]

That was me first time I met Tisi.

[sonic grove]

EM3 is very genuinely hilarious

[native blade]

Indeed.

[twilit lodge]

I may be slightly biased by the 40 heat run I did where I barely survived that fight

But still

Theseus needs to chill

[sonic grove]

Asterius does make up for Theseus being comically less threatening though so it balances out

[twilit lodge]

In or out of EM3

[native blade]

I luv screwing Tate L's chariot.

[sonic grove]

i never let go of the dash button at all times so em3 theseus is practically nonexistent to me

[twilit lodge]

Just wait til you start playing with FO2 😭

[sonic grove]

FO is the enemy speed up thing, right?

[twilit lodge]

Yes

[sonic grove]

that's the least i'm excited about with regards to doing these heated runs honestly

[native blade]

^

[twilit lodge]

It’s good to get used to the faster attacks as soon as you’re comfortable

You’re gonna end up having FO1 or 2 turned on for most of your runs as you work on heat anyway

[rustic vale]

Oh so losing the sd before getting the dd refill is the condition for having it being behind the sd in priority

rad

[twilit lodge]

Athena DD but all the ways to kill yourself are gone 😦

[rustic vale]

Asphodel moment

[twilit lodge]

I lost a 40 heat attempt earlier in no small part due to being at 1hp in an ely room

[rustic vale]

Just use the lava

[twilit lodge]

Where the eggs wouldn’t respawn

Except as I took a door to leave

One respawned

So I quit and reloaded

And it wouldn’t respawn then 😭

[dusky cypress]

rip

[high island]

Nope. You just don't get her DD at all if you don't have the empty slot from losing SD, because her boons replenish a DD, so they require an empty slot. SD is always used first when you die.

The DD you get from Master Chaos's legendary doesn't require an empty slot.

[rustic vale]

Oh whoops

I don’t play sd often

Nyaanyaa I’m correct roughly 1/7 of the time, right?

[high island]

That's a very optimistic estimate.

Optimism is important.

[dusky cypress]

mfw I can't even afford ignited ichor w/ purging a boon

[sonic grove]

about to em4 for the first time, using the bow

very excited to drop my winstreak

[dusky cypress]

wats ur winstreak rn?

[sonic grove]

10 i think

about to become 0 once i'm done with this for sure

[dusky cypress]

xd

does % evasion chance work on traps or nah?

[crystal star]

Guys what does it mean when your Poseidon boon is crystaly and there is a medusa head behind it

Is calculated risk duo boon anygood

Or should i go with bronze skin rare or divine strike

[rustic vale]

True

[rustic vale]

What aspect are you using?

And whats the rest of your build look like?

[crystal star]

Regular sheild

too late anyway

That was 5 minutes ago

What abt the poseidon thingg

[high island]

Pretty sure dodge doesn't work on magma damage, poison damage (although can dodge being inflicted with it), and TD damage; but it should work on anything else.

[native blade]

It works on Pat’s ks tho.

[crystal star]

Does anyone have a template on tierlist with all the gods plus chaos

[raw herald]

https://tiermaker.com/categories/video-games/hades-gods-251923

[crystal star]

Thanks

[wind flax]

Omg I just met Meg for the first time

AND DANG— HER VOICE

she’s gorgeous

[native blade]

OnlyFacts.

[odd lintel]

how does "Dire Misfortune" work? Does it build stacks of doom to the enemy until the effect triggers? Or is it that the second time I apply doom on an enemy who already had it they take more dmg from it?

[signal aspen]

it adds damage to the doom whenever you hit an enemy with an attack that applies doom

until the effect triggers

[odd lintel]

okay thank you

[signal aspen]

huh

[raw herald]

Why u using dc2 on bow

What heat is it

[dusky cypress]

ambush from chaos... is that x2 if I have parting shot or just x1?

[chilly flume]

I can't understand how the punishment that blocks an option is just 2 heat