not really
#h1-discussion
dusky solar
i used to win ALL the time like i had a twenty win streak. then i activated FO2. i dont have that streak anymore.
latent moon
well
everything is 40% faster
so you're basically relearning enemy movement and timings lol
native blade
i used to win ALL the time like i had a twenty win streak. then i activated FO2....
F.
Ik the feel.
twilit lodge
I would simply keep my streak
dusky solar
i dont regret changing to fo2 tho- its so much more challenging and i like it.
native blade
I used to be GODLY at this game back in the day.
And then I became cringe when I came back.
I’m no longer worthy.
latent moon
imagine not always being cringe at the game
native blade
I would simply keep my streak
^
native blade
imagine not always being cringe at the game
Lel.
dusky solar
i lose most of my runs to ely champions
brisk trail
i chose one duo boon over another
twilit lodge
Me too
brisk trail
will the one that i didnt choose come up again?
twilit lodge
And by lose my runs I mean lose Sub10 pacing
twilit lodge
will the one that i didnt choose come up again?
It can, it’s not guaranteed to by any means
native blade
Damn…
latent moon
depends if they're compatible or not tho
dusky solar
what the hell is a centaur heart
dusky cypress
what's the hc
latent moon
oh fun lmao
dusky cypress
what the hell is a centaur heart
+25 max health
dusky cypress
ah
twilit lodge
what the hell is a centaur heart
Poisonous, do not touch
dusky cypress
is that more damage taken or less health regen?
dusky solar
i might win more runs if i didnt have 200 max health going into hades
dusky cypress
dodging tends to help a lot
latent moon
is that more damage taken or less health regen?
being above 80(?)% hp gives you a 25% damage boost
dusky solar
i think its 75%
twilit lodge
i might win more runs if i didnt have 200 max health going into hades
Yeah 200 is way too high, you should have gotten more damage
dusky cypress
but also yes I have like 240+ max hp in I think all my runs
twilit lodge
It’s 80%
dusky cypress
oh right lol
latent moon
i think its 75%
that's fiery i thought
dusky cypress
yeah I'm not thinking about what I type
brisk trail
i have curse of drowning and vengeful mood, if i just focusing on dodging and not attack could i still win??
latent moon
i have curse of drowning and vengeful mood, if i just focusing on dodging and no...
yeah
twilit lodge
Probably not
latent moon
if you're not running td
twilit lodge
But possibly
dusky solar
i used to have like 350-400 most runs. then i turned on FO2 and quickly realised hp does not save you when enemies move and attack 40% faster
dusky cypress
its a safety net
that's all hp upgrades (or hp in general, really) are
the only hp that matters is your last
twilit lodge
Hp is a crutch
latent moon
will say
twilit lodge
Mod the game so you have 1hp
native blade
Ai, 155.
twilit lodge
Then equip focus sash
latent moon
only having 1 dash is a pain in regards of dodging and getting out of enemy range
native blade
Ficus Sash goated ong ong.
latent moon
but you're just gonna have to learn how to deal with fo2 with RR
because ik you wont change it
native blade
only having 1 dash is a pain in regards of dodging and getting out of enemy rang...
The dmg is worth tho.
dusky solar
in ror2 tho i was able to beat eclipse mode which makes enemies move 40% faster and attack 50% faster, so idk what my problem with hades is
latent moon
can't deal damage if you're dead 🤷
latent moon
in ror2 tho i was able to beat eclipse mode which makes enemies move 40% faster ...
i mean just need more practice on fo2
twilit lodge
can't deal damage if you're dead 🤷
Curse of vengeance: am I a joke to you
twilit lodge
Heavens vengeance has entered the chat
dusky solar
anyway, back to playing genshin impact
latent moon
lmao
dusky solar
no im not a child liker i just like the open world adventure
latent moon
we never said that but aight
dusky solar
i agree this game sucks, anyway 10/10 i do NOT reccomend
dusky cypress
???????????????????
twilit lodge
But now I have a new accusation for my friends who play genshin
dusky solar
do not play genshin impact its the best open world game ive ever played, you will forget how to talk to people IRL if you play this game
latent moon
i played for like 2 weeks and i found it boring lol
dusky cypress
I'll be bored out of my skull, got it
dusky solar
the joke is that every genshin player likes kids because half the playable characters are children
latent moon
this is a gacha game moment
twilit lodge
I would simply never get heart rend or conc volley and have my entire Chiron run carried by smair
dusky solar
play dislyte instead where the characters are not all children but are instead mostly mommies and cool people that make living wages
native blade
Indeed.
latent moon
i've seen so many ads for dislyte and it looks terrible
dusky solar
i can actually tell you dislyte is good
twilit lodge
I play afk arena and the company is horrid
latent moon
gacha games are a trap and they're disgusting
dusky solar
dislyte ads talk about how every esper is good regardless of rarity- and it seems fake but its actually true
twilit lodge
Unless you’re willing to devote your living wage to playing it you won’t have fun after a while
Once you hit the soft cap it’s not true
dusky solar
sure legendaries are generally better but like commons are plenty good for the entire game
native blade
DAMN!!!!
dusky solar
i have one on my team and he does % max hp damage and everything dies
native blade
I just rolled Tate L and Aster.
dusky solar
its actually good and cool
anyway
i will not derail the hades talk any further
good night
twilit lodge
Nothing is good and cool anymore welcome to late stage capitalism
Good night
Dream of mommy
native blade
The ads are cring sometimes tho.
twilit lodge
*30 seconds of pull the pin footage*
*logo for game that never features this gameplay*
97% can’t beat this!
twilit lodge
Not tempest strike hunter flare beo
latent moon
could be hera
twilit lodge
He just unlocked beo and went for mirage shot so I’m pretty sure beo
latent moon
oh maybe
dusky cypress
https://imgur.com/a/yUB3IjG
wanna guess how I noticed the fishing spot?
twilit lodge
You heard the ding
dusky cypress
it has a sound cue? lol
I was just trying to pick up the coin when it directed me to the fishing spot
dusky cypress
yeah the 50 damage (???? I have 0 clue how much damage they do in... r u in godmode or no?) can be such a pain
one of my runs (I still won tho) went from "certain victory" to "oh crap its gonna be close", think I won with 12 hp iirc, got hit by two boulders > the first two swings of the spin attack and suddenly I only had one DD left xd
native blade
native blade
yeah the 50 damage (???? I have 0 clue how much damage they do in... r u in godm...
Exactly 80% less.
native blade
one of my runs (I still won tho) went from "certain victory" to "oh crap its gon...
Yep cum.
dusky cypress
??? two prometheus stones, other two from that one legendary boon?
high island
@native blade language, sir. 
native blade
<@487088178616860692> language, sir. <:dusa:522248771409543188>
…
native blade
??? two prometheus stones, other two from that one legendary boon?
Nah, just Well.
dusky cypress
Nah, just Well.
why/how did you get 4 prometheus stones
I know it includes well, that's... all
also this is disappointing, maybe could've finally done em4 FO2 if I hadn't lost 2 DDs to heroes -_-
native blade
why/how did you get 4 prometheus stones
Fated Persuasion.
Also, cuz it’s busted on cast.
native blade
raw herald
Btd reference
native blade
brisk trail
SO TRUE
native blade
sounds p decent too
Lel.
brisk trail
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1031568485857370113/1033309725208608808/u...
Imagine your cousin becoming your foster dad
native blade
Imagine your cousin becoming your foster dad
Wouldn't be the weirdest thing in the family.
Lol.
lean timber
they're literally not
hardy spear
cyan jolt
Why is Charon so unnecessary hard
cyan jolt
Aphrodite with Hera aspect is fun
native blade
Aphrodite with Hera aspect is fun
Indeed.
Also.
Arthur’s word literally goes dumb hard.
It’s pretty much God Mode on it’s own, what?
brisk trail
for trial of gods do the order of the boons u choose matter (does the one u choose first have less rarity? or vice versa?)
lean timber
not at all
overall, they both have less rarity, and you can't get duo boons at all
but legendaries are still on the table
brisk trail
I don't understand... Achilles and the fallen warrior are both at 6 hearts, i ran out of dialogue with both Achilles and nyx, and i can't progress the quest.
I got the conversation of zag asking Achilles about the contract but nothing else
you gotta do the quest for him before you can unlock more
have you talked to a guy in elysium named Patroclus?
high island
He just said Patroclus affinity is at 6. 
brisk trail
oh
high island
There's no secret really. Just gotta do more runs until you get all the dialogues. You're probably progressing other dialogues still, too. It's not really designed in a way to speedrun those quests.
brisk trail
There's no secret really. Just gotta do more runs until you get all the dialogue...
That's the thing tho there is no more dialogue
Achilles doesn't have a '!' anymore
And nyx is just generic too
how do i survive high heat with guan yu aspect
am i just not supposed to
cyan jolt
Sometimes i get a screen with hades and some text before my run
Does anyone know what it means?
high island
Does anyone know what it means?
That's just a flashback to a memory Zagreus has as he jumps down.
lean timber
do you have to win once to see remembrances
high island
Nope.
cyan jolt
That's just a flashback to a memory Zagreus has as he jumps down.
Oh huh interesting
hardy spear
the largest p
rustic vale
Holy
high island
Nice! Congratulations to them!
high island
New wr dropped
Modded, right?
rustic vale
Nyaanyaa I sub10ed 
high island
@dull niche please defend our Hera honor. Can't let the Beowulfs win.
high island
Nyaanyaa I sub10ed <:shadesmile:520447982727069737> <:shadesmile:520447982727069...
Nice! Congratulations!
Now sub 9.
rustic vale
dull niche
yeah dw I’m going for it
rustic vale
I’ve been trying to think about which weapon could make use of full demeter cores the most and I can’t come to a definitive conclusion
signal aspen
hera stinky
high island
yeah dw I’m going for it
rustic vale
How would swift strike work with flurry shot bow?
tepid light
I’ve been trying to think about which weapon could make use of full demeter core...
chiron bow's a contender
rustic vale
I hadn’t thought about chiron
Ultimately I settled on achilles and just went with it
Cold fusion in tart with jolted from lightning reflexes
tepid light
chiron's nice because it's very versatile with builds imo
it has use for percentage damage, flat damage, and stackable effects
raw herald
yeah dw I’m going for it
Me too
raw herald
Modded, right?
Yes
rustic vale
Exiting tart
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/795659377755422742/1033408432012800101/IMG_2401.jpg
raw herald
Interesting setup to say the least
rustic vale
I’m hoping for full dem cores
Just want to see how much dem works if you just keep stacking more dem
tepid light
inb4 you never get killing freeze
rustic vale
No clue what to take into asphodel
signal aspen
distanty memory
raw herald
Poseidon or artemis
rustic vale
honestly could take a zeus and an aphrodite core I think that’d be more chill then actually using special or cast for chill
Pos is already in pool I had just taken sunken treasure
raw herald
Mmmmm Beowulf sounds kinda fun
signal aspen
beo isnt fun
raw herald
Try modded
signal aspen
no
raw herald
Unmodded Beowulf is fun too, you just have to set your expectations 1 minute lower, or grind for 10x the duration
In unmodded beowulf I’ll literally keep a 2:10 if I have cshot and hyper sprint
chilly flume
Are there any restrictions to what boons you can get from double rooms?
I'm aiming for duo boons with both of them with another god
signal aspen
you cant get duos in those rooms
high island
Just want to see how much dem works if you just keep stacking more dem
I know I encouraged you to experiment yourself rather than getting all the answers from chat, but... you'll want Privileged Status for Chill builds.
chilly flume
you cant get duos in those rooms
Goddammit
high island
Any Lady Demeter builds you're trying are always underperforming without Privileged Status.
rustic vale
I know I encouraged you to experiment yourself rather than getting all the answe...
That didn’t even occur to me thanks
brisk trail
This was the epilogue i worked so hard to unlock? I mean it was good but i expected more than a single scene and narration.
And i still can't get the Achilles quest even tho nyx/Achilles both don't have anymore dialogue
native blade
**This** was the epilogue i worked so hard to unlock? I mean it was good but i e...
Achilles Quest?
U mean to unite Achilles and Patroclus?
brisk trail
Yeah
native blade
The Contractor has a work order to free Achilles.
brisk trail
You're supposed to talk to nyx about his contract
brisk trail
The Contractor has a work order to free Achilles.
No he Doesn't, that's the last step
First you need to have two conversation about it with nyx, and locate it in the administration chamber
brisk trail
I talked to all three yes
rustic vale
Rng dialogue moment
native blade
L.
random pilot
impending doom is crossed out for some reason why?
whats that
it has hades mark on it
twilit lodge
You’re using the pact condition that removes choices from boon selections
Approval Process
signal aspen
me when ap does what ap is supposed to do
hardy spear
me when ap does what ap is supposed to do
the things i would do to stop ap from working as intended
random pilot
i have a mod that extends my options for hammers and boons
high island
Might wanna ask in the modding server for help then if something seems to be bugged.
They're very friendly and quick to help with mod problems.
Although sometimes you have to ask them to translate their technobabble into English.
random pilot
xD
remote iris
"JESSE!! BREAK THE GOLDEN URNS JESSE! THEY HAVE CHARON'S OBOL!" "Mista White what the hell is an oat bowl"
umbral summit
Are aspect damage boosts additive with normal boosts?
The ones that mention percentages
lmao, Trippy Flare level 2 + Beowulf basically oneshotted the Sneak
twilit lodge
Yes
twilit lodge
Because 75% global is something you don’t see often
Outside of RD
Which is why RD is also cracked
I mean that adds to what makes RD cracked
But even just hyper delivery without ichors is strong
umbral summit
Are you sure? The casts from my rushes are doing over 350 with a 222 base cast, and I'm at basically the beginning of a run
signal aspen
double damage every time you dash is pretty good
signal aspen
Are you sure? The casts from my rushes are doing over 350 with a 222 base cast,...
yes beo only buffs rush damage
trippy flare has some messed up damage numbers
umbral summit
Yeah, Trippy flare
signal aspen
poms do double the amount they say
umbral summit
Huh
twilit lodge
Buggywulf
twilit lodge
Imagine being so wrong
twilit lodge
Mirage bug only affects trippy Hera tho right
signal aspen
it affects all flares
except for thunder flare
since thats not cast damage
its lightning damage
twilit lodge
But trippy flare Pom bug only affects beo
signal aspen
yes
signal aspen
im still confused why sgg made thunder flare get 0 of the bonuses from cast damage
latent moon
i'm still confused to why hera doesn't have icy flare
signal aspen
because beams are cool
twilit lodge
I’m still confused
signal aspen
especially when they appear behind the enemy and miss
umbral summit
Lmao, a single Dragon Rush with Trippy Flare lvl 4 did 25% of Meg's HP
latent moon
didn't beo used to have beams until people said it should be a flare
why not do the same for hera
signal aspen
would be better lowkey
twilit lodge
I’m still confused why every weapon isn’t beo
Load your casts into your spear then launch them with spin attack
latent moon
every weapon is just worse beo
twilit lodge
every weapon is just worse beo
Is this solely from a mirage shot perspective 
signal aspen
hopefully they will fix all of this in the sequel coming 2026
latent moon
Is this solely from a mirage shot perspective <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
well now it is
latent moon
hopefully they will fix all of this in the sequel coming 2026
hades 2: the bug fixes
twilit lodge
Beo is beo except you beo when you beo (sometimes)
latent moon
hestia is my favorite casptect
umbral summit
Lmao, Dragon Rush is doing about 1500 damage, still in Tartarus and Beowulf only at level 3
signal aspen
trippy flare moment
latent moon
i tried learning hestia at 40 heat but the reload doesn't work half the time and the aim assist sucks
twilit lodge
i tried learning hestia at 40 heat but the reload doesn't work half the time and...
Not me playing hesty and shooting through the enemies because they haven’t technically spawned yet even though they’ve entirely appear
umbral summit
Level 4 Rare Trippy Flare and Urge to Kill
latent moon
that's like every weapon lol
vital tapir
hestia hurts my hands a lot
signal aspen
i tried learning hestia at 40 heat but the reload doesn't work half the time and...
make sure you turn on aim at cursor
latent moon
make sure you turn on aim at cursor
i thought you were supposed to turn that off for hesty
signal aspen
yeah
latent moon
signal aspen
but turn it on for the experience
vital tapir
reloading overrated i did a zag rail run once with reload unbound until elysium
by accident
signal aspen
delta gang
latent moon
but turn it on for the experience
well i generally do that except for bosses
this was my first time actually trying to use it for normal rooms
graceful shard
how do i get more blood?
latent moon
and the aim is weird
graceful shard
i need to upgrade my gun
signal aspen
how do i get more blood?
kill bosses
graceful shard
kill bosses
?
signal aspen
do prophecies
twilit lodge
how do i get more blood?
Kill boss 1 and boss 4
latent moon
kill the furies with every weapon
graceful shard
boss 1 gives me dark crystals
latent moon
once you clear you can get more
twilit lodge
Use a different weapon
latent moon
boss 1 gives me dark crystals
btw you should stick to #h1-for-new-players so you dont get spoiled here
twilit lodge
If you’ve already beaten boss 1 with every weapon you can’t get more until you beat boss 4 with at least one weapon other than by trading
graceful shard
btw you should stick to <#725021347968712724> so you dont get spoiled here
ok ☺️
umbral summit
Darn, rerolled Chaos twice trying to get the +1 bloodstone boon, but no luck
latent moon
nice
latent moon
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/523766637757726722/1033472520667533362/un...
is this why you retired
signal aspen
no
latent moon
dang
signal aspen
the new src thing did this
latent moon
oh right
signal aspen
still lost my onion
latent moon
rip
latent moon
oh i'm 41 now because ocke has like 20 runs lmao
signal aspen
quick go post in #ideas-and-feedback
signal aspen
oh i'm 41 now because ocke has like 20 runs lmao
LMFAO
umbral summit
Surprised there isn't a boon or mirror buff that makes rerolls guarantee every slot is different unless that's impossible
umbral summit
You can also get rerolls from picking up keys
twilit lodge
Also at least one boon is guaranteed to change when you reroll
signal aspen
Why make one boon based on a single mirror talent
hermes does that
twilit lodge
I would simply rng manip so my reroll goes to exactly what I want
Voice lines are OP
Roiling grasp
Oh well I’m way off pace anyway
umbral summit
Is it possible to get a god's boon to show up if you have every single one of their other boons?
Or every single possible boon
twilit lodge
You’ll never exhaust all of their boons
umbral summit
Or even if you just have less than 3 possible
twilit lodge
Closest you can get would be to have all of a gods noncores
And none of their cores
Then this happens
signal aspen
lowkey blessed
twilit lodge
As soon as you have their cores you open tons of t2s
I’m sure with mods you could exhaust all of one god
But not in standard play
umbral summit
I wonder if you'd get a unique quote if you got a god with no boons left with mods
twilit lodge
And routing to that precision would require mods
lean timber
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/997466907030605934/1031696644481237043/IM...
0.1% chance
umbral summit
Sometimes games put unobtainable text like that
lean timber
btw
twilit lodge
0.1% chance
100% chance because I had all of the available noncores
The standard replacement 10% chance can’t happen more than once
lean timber
100% chance because I had all of the available noncores
not a chance you had all the t2s/t3s
lean timber
The standard replacement 10% chance can’t happen more than once
sure it can
twilit lodge
not a chance you had all the t2s/t3s
I had no dio cores
So
There were no eligible t2s
lean timber
ratio + dnc + L
twilit lodge
And I had strong drink positive outlook premium vintage and after party
The. Ion that offered the last of those 4 had two replacements and the last noncore offered
umbral summit
Which God would have the best "pure" setup on any weapon, where you have every one of their boons (outside of duos) but nothing else
twilit lodge
Zeus
Imo
Maybe ares
Depending on weapon
Vicious cycle blade dash on fists or something
With dire impending doom attacks and specials
Zeus definitely first place tho
Dio would be the worst stacked god
latent moon
zeus would easily be the best yeah
arty would be pretty good if it got access to hunting blades lol
hermes would be great lol
umbral summit
All Heroic, of course
twilit lodge
Man I really need patty to show up this run since I blew DDs on Charon rip
vital tapir
dio is the only one that can get a duo with just his own cores
latent moon
All Heroic, of course
if it's all heroic then literally hermes and run shackle hestia lmfao
125% extra damage from rd?
twilit lodge
Idk shackle Nem
latent moon
not to mention the 50% from haste
vital tapir
plume it
twilit lodge
The special would be so easy to use too
latent moon
Idk shackle Nem
that'd also be pretty good yeah
twilit lodge
Someone mod a run with this now
vital tapir
how much is heroic rd
latent moon
but hesty is still a better aspect
vital tapir
125%?
twilit lodge
125
latent moon
yep
twilit lodge
Heroic hyper is 1 second
latent moon
0.9
latent moon
probably
twilit lodge
Bad news is 50% global on top of all the rd nonsense
Assuming you don’t lodge a cast ever
latent moon
yeah lol
just dont use the cast
well
assuming you start with a full set of heroic hermes then yeah you wont ever need to use it
twilit lodge
I guess you could since boiling blood would cover it
twilit lodge
Someone mod this now
latent moon
just codex mod i think
also how much speed would haste sprint give?
since i'ts multiplicative
would it still be 150%
idk how to do math
twilit lodge
I think 300% base
latent moon
oh wha
twilit lodge
Hyper doubles
vital tapir
swift strike doesn’t affect reload does it
twilit lodge
And haste is +50%
vital tapir
unplayable
latent moon
oh i get how it works
twilit lodge
I guess it depends on the order
twilit lodge
Actually it wouldn’t depend
Yeah
Or start at 1, haste makes it 1.5, sprint doubles to 3
latent moon
jesus christ and then shackle on top of that
vital tapir
two ichors to get to like 430
latent moon
600 damage per shot for hestia?
latent moon
it is 600 right
twilit lodge
Assuming just 300% ms
vital tapir
yea
twilit lodge
It would be +250% global from rd
latent moon
oh i forgot heroic isn't 100 it's 125
uh
big number
also
do keep in mind that you're 1 shotting everything
so 75% from fiery presence lmao
twilit lodge
Armored enemies:
vital tapir
i think plume would be better at that point since the damage isn’t too far off by the time you hit hades and you get dodge chance
umbral summit
Richochet shot to OHKO multiple enemies at a time?
latent moon
Armored enemies:
armor gets one shot idk man lol
latent moon
i think plume would be better at that point since the damage isn’t too far off b...
you dont need a dodge chance if you one shot them
vital tapir
like what’s the expected plume return for a full run with it
twilit lodge
True, maxed plume would be better than shackle
umbral summit
Or Spread Fire
twilit lodge
For the multiplicative ms
latent moon
like what’s the expected plume return for a full run with it
i counted chambers once and i forgot how many there are lmao
vital tapir
it’s also pretty easy to not get hit with 400% movespeed or whatever and +4 dashes
latent moon
but i can do it again
twilit lodge
71 or something but not all count for plume
vital tapir
what if each point of plume ms was multiplicative lmao
latent moon
12 tart assuming no free rooms, 1 boss = 13
aspho start 17, end 22, boss 24 = 5
ely start 27, end 34, boss 36, = 9
every styx tunnel = 5
so uh
31?
wait
32 lmao
and plume is 1.2%?
twilit lodge
Damn I lost my run because no patty tax refund and bad playing
vital tapir
about 38% bonus then if you fail none
latent moon
this is also assuming that you wont get forced into a 1 way route into a story room or wont accidentally find a fountain
yeah
i dont want to calc those
well
i guess add 3
so 35
so you can maybe get plume to 42
shackle still better
twilit lodge
Mine was beo 20
I shouldn’t have taken maimed grasp in asphodel
And definitely shouldn’t have taken roiling grasp in ely
Lmao
twilit lodge
And still manages to be bad
vital tapir
80% flurry cast
twilit lodge
Doesn’t help this shield seed starts with c1 dashing sudden empowering
Like what shield wants this hammer start
twilit lodge
I took dashing last time
latent moon
but once you get used to cshot and then pick up sudden it gets funky
twilit lodge
So I could kill numbskulls better
And all that happened was I got hit
Because dash special on shield comes out slow as balls
Stygian trippy beo without trippy is
C7 dio and he doesn’t offer flare smh
umbral summit
Being able to oneshot elite exalted is pretty nice
latent moon
C7 dio and he doesn’t offer flare smh
haha unmodded
umbral summit
For maxed out Hermes, you'd also be getting tons of obol, so you could empty out pools and charon for buffs
twilit lodge
C1 heroic side hustle 
latent moon
19 per room, idk if it'll outpace deep pockets by tart midshop
twilit lodge
You’d have to turn off boons tho for this run to work
latent moon
but for the rest of the run it will
latent moon
You’d have to turn off boons tho for this run to work
fated authority lol
vital tapir
not like you need persuasion
twilit lodge
God doors don’t usually reroll to non god but they can
Just don’t run foresight
🧠
vital tapir
spare wealth from every pom too
latent moon
God doors don’t usually reroll to non god but they can
miniboss doors
umbral summit
The run's concept is that you start off with all Heroic boons from a god and get no other gods' boons, so presumably god doors would just be empty
twilit lodge
True and you’d be eligible for a lot of Poms since you technically have books
Boons
latent moon
The run's concept is that you start off with all Heroic boons from a god and get...
oh if this was the case then run dark foresight and get every heart lmao
latent moon
yeah you'll end up with a ton of gold and you'd only be able to spend it on wells
vital tapir
can poms appear in shop if you have no eligible boons
latent moon
might be worth running hourglass because of that then
because i doubt you need shackle bonus at all tbh
twilit lodge
Not sure about Poms in store
umbral summit
Would this be Hoarding Slash's time to shine?
twilit lodge
If they did you could make money off of them
umbral summit
Or still worthless because your additive is way too high already
vital tapir
yea
latent moon
i mean yeah but you'll probably leave aspho with over 1k
or even tart with like
600
going into furies at c14 would give you 266 assuming you dont get obol doors
twilit lodge
Rookie numbers smh
latent moon
but since you wont be getting any other gods, dark foresight forces hearts or gold
vital tapir
you probably leave aspho with 3k if you take coin over hearts and don’t spend at wells
latent moon
so you can pick up a ton of obol rooms
twilit lodge
Take Charon bag every midshop
latent moon
oh yeah early charon bag
so hoarding slash can def give you a big additive
still might be bad compared to hesty
but
it's an option lol
vital tapir
hestia has a better hades than sword
twilit lodge
Zag sword ms is def less valuable than Nem crit tho
umbral summit
Too bad Hermes doesn't have a call
Imagine a +200% movement speed call for 15 seconds or something, and it stacked with Rush Delivery
Though at some point it might become super hard to control Zag
twilit lodge
Hermes call: Hermes shows up and offers hyper sprint and rush delivery, max uses 1
latent moon
Though at some point it might become super hard to control Zag
have you seen the routed eris run
umbral summit
Or maybe something like "Can only use as a Greater Call, gives Movement Speed +50% for the rest of the encounter"
twilit lodge
have you seen the routed eris run
nyooooooooom
latent moon
yep lmao
umbral summit
Too bad I didn't get 4th bloodstone this run. Triple stone Dragon Rush doing about 2k
vital tapir
hermes trial that gives all enemies an extra speeder perk
umbral summit
Gives an AoE buff like Athena's that increases mob attack and movement speed by 50%
latent moon
just what we needed
twilit lodge
Calm down satan
latent moon
fo4.5
umbral summit
I'm having trouble imagining Hermes being offended, though
Maybe something themed along making him wait by not picking him first
swift inlet
Does anyone else have issues with gy as far as speed
twilit lodge
Yes it’s slow asf
latent moon
use ME
twilit lodge
Simply get quick spin and epic swift strike
To be at baseline for every other aspect
swift inlet
Me moment
umbral summit
When you have Charged Shot with Beowulf, does it still fire the casts at Zag's ending location?
umbral summit
Or well, starting location since he doesn't move
umbral summit
Okay, thanks
lean timber
dragon deez nuts
twilit lodge
Fiery castless Parting shot my beloved
swift inlet
Fiery castless Parting shot my beloved
legacy is a scam 🧠
twilit lodge
Literally any run where I try to be safe and use aphro attack Athena dash
I get parting shot
It’s cursed
This seed is cursed
umbral summit
Nice, just capped my last accessory
twilit lodge
The only chaos I was offered was opposite a dio door when I started dio keepsake but had c1 hammer
Heroes fight was tragically slow
swift inlet
It’s cursed
Blessed for heat, you get to sell parting shot off 🧠
swift inlet
😩
twilit lodge
Best thing about dad call is curing poison in tunnels change my mind
twilit lodge
Not me having one cast to manip anvil with and wanting cshot
Lmao
I just carried an add over from phase one because it was an exalted that died in my fog
Pain
remote iris
hades devs after coming up with the groundbreaking hidden aspect idea "you special and then shortly after your attack is better"
/j
high island
It doesn't need to be groundbreaking to be fun.
remote iris
i know i'm just jokig around
twilit lodge
Know what’s fun
Tart jar demons teleporting from one end of a room to the other
Me when the death defiance animation doesn’t let you dash out of lava
umbral summit
Why is flame demon release so rare
lean timber
hades devs after coming up with the groundbreaking hidden aspect idea "you speci...
what is this other than rama, achilles, and nemesis
hmm
swift inlet
lessgoooo sub6 hestia ely
twilit lodge
Reverse chaos
hardy spear
that is the most build of all time
vital tapir
what is this other than rama, achilles, and nemesis
eris!
twilit lodge
🤓 ackshually
dusky cypress
oh hey I beat ||charon|| nice
twilit lodge
Wow you stole his lunch money rude
dusky cypress
yep
swift inlet
Weird little thing I just noticed
I think some weapons do uneven damage
zagbow power shot does 87
but a crit does 262 when 300% would just be 261
vital tapir
i think that’s just rounding in hades
rustic vale
Yeah
vital tapir
like 2 hearts with guan yu will give +13 then +12
old dawn
rounding shenanigans at work here
i think they tried to keep it rounding up where it should, like 2.5 rounds up to 3
rustic vale
well both are giving 12.5 it’s just you can’t have 12.5 hp so I figure it alters it
old dawn
but again the correct value is kept somewhere, since you alternate between 13 and 12
rustic vale
yeah
vital tapir
^
rustic vale
my thoughts are it probably keeps the float around for calculations or some crap but gives you the int
dusky cypress
well despite using 4 DDs by heroes/after stealing someones lunch money, not seeing patroclus and being fresh out by styx/hades I got one from rerolling the well of charon by styx and another two from athena (ty athena for being the only god w/ +DD boons besides iirc chaos 🙏 )... had to turn down calculated risk for deathless tho which probably would've come in handy >_>
FO2 EM4 is such a pain
vital tapir
clever reference to the fact that players generally alternate between winning and losing
rustic vale
clever reference to the fact that players generally alternate between winning an...
Who alternates between winnijg and losing?
just win
rustic vale
I should start doing heat other then 9 again
was focused on sub10’ing for a little while but now that that’s done I should go for 40 heat
or 32 heat with all aspects
vital tapir
yea i’m working through 40 heat with all aspects
rustic vale
I think 40 heat will mean I have to learn how to use sd well
vital tapir
you can probably get a 40 clear p quickly with a good aspect
native blade
I think 40 heat will mean I have to learn how to use sd well
HA!
twilit lodge
latent moon
sd is literally the meta for high heat what are you on about
it's like
the only viable option
at 40
vital tapir
it’s p much the only way to restore hp with lc4 lmao
rustic vale
It’s just unnecessary it below 20
native blade
I’m just joking about y’all flaming me for SD.
twilit lodge
When you can’t heal the heal from sd is the only way to survive
vital tapir
and individual rooms are a lot harder
twilit lodge
We flame you for SD because without lc4 it’s pointless to run
native blade
We flame you for SD because without lc4 it’s pointless to run
Ik, I’m just yolking.
latent moon
if you did lc4 sd then we wouldn't flame you as much because then it'd be a reason to run sd lol
vital tapir
not y’all finally coming around to abyssal blood 😭
twilit lodge
40 heat godmode
old dawn
i ran it once for the mirror perks prophecy and never after
didn't even die once that run
latent moon
not y’all finally coming around to abyssal blood 😭
i use that for beo
rustic vale
40 heat godmode
Expert enjoyer moment
vital tapir
isn’t it just move speed
twilit lodge
Pov: you have never run over 32 heat
dusky solar
the elites dont want you to know this but the sacks of gold in mid shops are free you can take them home i have 458 sacks of gold
latent moon
true
old dawn
infinite money hack discovered
rustic vale
Pov: you have never run over 32 heat
Pov: I tried it a few times and kept getting ap1’d out of hammers
twilit lodge
No ap1 means you have to run cf2 js1
vital tapir
zag fist modded is 55
twilit lodge
Or dc
rustic vale
Or some other worse crap
vital tapir
unmodded also 55
rustic vale
You do it
vital tapir
be the change you wish to see in the world
dusky cypress
good to know that TD is 5/second
rustic vale
good to know that TD is 5/second
You can dash iframe out of td damage
old dawn
oh so that's why i sometimes didn't take
dusky cypress
that checks out, but also it doesn't work for calls (or at least poseidons)
rustic vale
Is not reduced by any damage reduction I believe
dusky cypress
also maybe my initial ||charon|| fight was FO2 because he seemed just as swift lol
rustic vale
taking charon in tart is a gamble
twilit lodge
I wanna know why Charon gave us all these infernal arms but kept the mf lightsaber for himself
rustic vale
But it’s such a nice gamble
dusky cypress
kind of funny knowing I almost won my first charon fight (I think he had like a 1/3 left)
dusky cypress
But it’s such a nice gamble
it sounds nice as hell
even if its stacked against cf1 or smthn lol
rustic vale
I wanna know why Charon gave us all these infernal arms but kept the mf lightsab...
Charon didn’t give us the infernal weapons?
armaments
dusky cypress
is almost getting him to the stagger for 3rd phase in 3:30 kind of normal-ish? how long is EM4 as a fight supposed to take?
rustic vale
A) why would it be charon
B) I swear there is a voiceline explaining how you got them somewhere idk
I don’t think em4 fight is suppsed to take that long
dusky cypress
(I know I'm slow as hell but I'm still not sure what "good DPS" should look like)
well yeah but idk what The Meta™️ is supposed to look like
rustic vale
You don’t need to use meta stuff for decent dps
dusky cypress
now I'm wondering just how wrong my builds must be if like 5 minutes is agonizingly slow on EM4 and I'm just trying not to get skewered :I
signal aspen
5 minutes is pretty reasonable if you dont have a crazy build
and you are at high heat
like maybe 40+
dusky cypress
just got battie
lean timber
best keepsake max her immediately
signal aspen
yeah my 51 heat run with em4 had a 4 min dad fight
lean timber
easy
twilit lodge
Just don’t get hit
dusky cypress
is hoping for rare crop a bad idea?
dusky cypress
yeh its 1-3 whether rare/epic or not right
native blade
yeh its 1-3 whether rare/epic or not right
Ye.
Exclusive Access would be your best friend tbh.
Or God’s Pride ig.
swift inlet
Holy hell wr just got busted
dusky cypress
?
swift inlet
4:48 anyheat by bigp
dusky cypress
what was the old one?
swift inlet
It's been a hot minute, the fact that it got beaten at all is spicy
icy knoll
now 6 out of the top 10 records are beowulf
signal aspen
good
icy knoll
4 of the top 6 too
beo is by far the best weapon why are there still people arguing against that
you don't even need apm to do well you just do
swift inlet
Beo do be kinda braindead
If clockets was guaranteed on eris it would probably do better
dusky cypress
arctic blast bad? I have the flourish + AOE cast too (zeus) + killing freeze
swift inlet
Double deterministic hammers when
icy knoll
plus it's the only weapon aside from hestia to do great at high heat
and hestia's highest speedrun is 12th
swift inlet
Rama moment
And is eris not better for heat
Hestia is super good but it's just not eris for speedrunning
signal aspen
eris is easier to use
icy knoll
wow i'm looking through the heat leaderboards and it's so funny having zyruvias jumpscare me with the crazy weapon choices
ok let's check 32 heat board, beowulf beowulf beowulf eris eris beowulf beowulf beowulf hestia hera eris Zag Spear? achilles ARTHUR????
now for 40 heat, hestia beowulf beowulf beowulf beowulf POSEIDON??? beowulf beowulf eris GILGAMESH????????
twilit lodge
Girugamesh
swift inlet
I'm not surprised random aspects sneak in at high heat
twilit lodge
I imagine being good enough at hades to speedrun 40 means being able to do it with unusual aspects
vital tapir
zag spear sleeper cracked
twilit lodge
Flurry Zeus zagspear was my pb until I broke sub10 :0
dusky cypress
NOOOOOO I missed a fishing spot in chaos that I only noticed during the screen transition
and trying to quit out only brought me to the next chamber 😦
twilit lodge
😩
dusky cypress
yeah that was a sub 40 sec heroes
I think this should clear FO2 EM4 (finally)
freezing wine is instant?
old dawn
is there any use for ambrosia after maxing all companions and the two house contractor themes
and uh maxing all bonds
or can i freely trade it away for titan blood
dusky cypress
??? is this a hypothetical or does titan blood require more to max everything out than ambrosia?
wow
yep he's dead
almost went through p1 and kept some acorn uses xd
old dawn
??? is this a hypothetical or does titan blood require more to max everything ou...
what do you mean
i literally have no use for the stuff anymore it seems (maybe those fancy badges?)
spice hearth
i literally have no use for the stuff anymore it seems (maybe those fancy badges...
That’s a yes on the fancy badges, some will require ambrosia
old dawn
alright, keeping that in mind
estimate on how much? just a couple, or would i have to farm this stuff
spice hearth
You need exactly 10 for the resource director haha
old dawn
close enough
tankiew
yea but on the off chance i end up with uhhh no bounties left and still somehow need it after
i had to ask
twilit lodge
All the bounties will give you enough for everything
Plus there’s fishing and prophecies and trading
spice hearth
Even if you did, you can always convert some of the unlimited resources in the shop
Nectar, gems, etc
The shop in the house i mean
dusky cypress
is ice wine bugged or is it supposed to be instant?
spice hearth
It’s supposed to be instant
dusky cypress
nice
idk just seemed weird to go from the... 1.2 second? 1 second? trippy flourish to instant lol
native blade
idk just seemed weird to go from the... 1.2 second? 1 second? trippy flourish to...
Lel.
spice hearth
Yep, it’s probably the best duo for trippy except on Beowulf
For some reason, it makes the cast slower on Beo
twilit lodge
vital tapir
All the bounties will give you enough for everything
not quite for titan blood iirc
rustic vale
I remember doing some mental math and it doesn’t add up I believe
vital tapir
wiki says you need 326 and can get 295 from bounties and prophecies
but you get 43 extra ambrosia from the same
rustic vale
and trade broker
and fishing in overworld
vital tapir
and charon shop
twilit lodge
Tart than lol
vital tapir
there’s only 2 extra diamonds from bounties and prophecies?
thought for sure it’d be more
rustic vale
Tart than lol
Matty’s favourite
latent moon
is ice wine bugged or is it supposed to be instant?
It's not bugged but it is supposed to be delayed
Icy flare also has a delay
latent moon
Not really useful if you're only dstriking
dusky cypress
the other one is worse (hoarding thrust) but I'll take it for the prophecy progress lmao
latent moon
Hoarding is technically better because it gives you slightly more damage lol
Since you're never using standing attacks
Or at least you shouldn't be
remote iris
how do i get a god to appear a lot
dusky cypress
you're right but I'm also using zag sword 🤷 doing my last like 10 runs on arthur is sort of boring after this long and I'd rather not spend titan blood on something I won't use for idk another 30 runs?
- use their keepsake, only really does so once but makes it theoretically better ig 2. pray
remote iris
so fun!
dusky cypress
why do u need to see one so much
twilit lodge
Because they’re the number one ares simp
remote iris
why do u need to see one so much
FLoMP legendary prophecy
remote iris
average "the list" fan vs average flomp enjoyer
twilit lodge
True
vital tapir
i would assume same as normal
remote iris
how does hangover stacking work with multiple hangover sources?
lean timber
https://youtu.be/u2huqEjx_iM
modded lel croven still on top
latent moon
modded lel croven still on top
Croven got beaten on modded
signal aspen
yeah it lets you go without selling
lean timber
Croven got beaten on modded
so
latent moon
bigP gaming
latent moon
chiron kinda doodoo tho
twilit lodge
Was hera this time
latent moon
oh rip
vital tapir
were they blue heads
latent moon
was it trans lernie
vital tapir
spice hearth
It's not bugged but it is supposed to be delayed
No, it’s the opposite, it isn’t delayed on anything except the flare on beowulf
twilit lodge
Only reason I made it to hydra tho is that I wasn’t getting any armored enemies before lol
latent moon
No, it’s the opposite, it isn’t delayed on anything except the flare on beowulf
ah yeah that's true i thought they were using trippy flare
twilit lodge
Was getting seriously easy rooms
So wait are you saying that
There’s actually an instance of beo not being bugged
lean timber
you're in speedrun server aren't you
twilit lodge
Heavy accusation matty
dusky cypress
uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuughhhhhhhh
went into FO2 EM4 w/ 2 DDs and he was like halfway dead on 3rd phase and I almost had my greater call (artemis so single call was effectively completely useless)
clutch with a fairly crappy build (that and failing to not DD to previous bosses, found 1 DD in like 3 wells with 3 rerolls) did not happen
twilit lodge
Well fishing for DDs 
dusky cypress
yup
none of the available boons were athena either so I didn't get a chance at either DD from the athena boons to say nothing about last stand uggghhh
it is v cool that one of the gods has a p decent chance at giving you a boon that comes packaged w/ a DD tho
latent moon
frost flare?
native blade
frost flare?
Ye.
dusky cypress
?