h1-discussion

[latent moon]

i mean the issue with ME isnt the fact that it's a duo it's the fact that it's pointless without ddash, and it isn't a prereq lol

[native blade]

Damn, cold.

[latent moon]

yeah ik but athena still isn't bad

[native blade]

True.

[latent moon]

if you weren't offered atk at the start and don't want to reroll, i wouldn't be upset to get athena atk tbh

[dusky solar]

for rama you start signet and pick up zeus spec, right?

[latent moon]

yeah

[twilit lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/pings-off-reply-pings-off-reply-ping-discord-reply-ping-gif-22087396

[latent moon]

if you dont feel like doing that then just do aphro atk

and take the first flat damage special you see

[twilit lodge]

Aphro special Rama with Artemis attack gang

[dusky solar]

whats the aphro zeus duo again

[latent moon]

smair

[lean timber]

love it

[latent moon]

call capped at 25%, auto charges every 5 sec

[dusky solar]

ah right

its not good

[twilit lodge]

True

[latent moon]

bruh it's one of the best lmao

[twilit lodge]

It’s great

[dusky solar]

oh really?

[latent moon]

calls give iframes

and also free damage

[twilit lodge]

Stella did you post a boon tier list to Reddit recently

[dusky cypress]

I feel like its good idk

[twilit lodge]

By chance

[latent moon]

LMFAO

[dusky solar]

no

[twilit lodge]

Oh ok

[latent moon]

smair is only good with like only zeus and dio call

[dusky cypress]

one minor call a minimum of every 5 seconds 🔫 w/ like poseidon or smthn

[dusky solar]

and if i ever do post a tierlist its probably a meme

[latent moon]

what makes them better is billowing strength from zeus and second wind from hermes

and ofc supporting zeus boons for his call or poms on dio call

[dusky solar]

true, if forgored about billowing strength

alright, lets do this.

[latent moon]

only issue with smair is that it opens up second wind from hermes since you have a call, so you have a lower chance of getting hyper sprint + rush delivery

[dusky solar]

first time playing in forever so ill probably die horribly

[latent moon]

heck yeah buddy

[twilit lodge]

I would simply get rd and then get Zeus call and smair

[latent moon]

just one shot everything

second wind from styx hermes too

[dusky solar]

if you didnt already remember me, im the girl who uses fo2 on heat 6 just to practice and i refuse to use GR

[latent moon]

i do remember lol

also fo2 at 6 heat is fine tbh

fo2 becomes a must at higher heats, and learning it early is good

[dusky solar]

if i ever see a dc2 speeder flamewheel again i WILL piss myself

[latent moon]

not a "must" really but it sorta becomes free if you learn it

[twilit lodge]

No GR is an odd flex

[latent moon]

on the bright side, rama is good against dc

[latent moon]

she's just insistent on it lol there's no point trying to convince her otherwise

iirc her argument was "if i focus on being good with 1 dash, it'll make me a better player"

[dusky solar]

yes

[latent moon]

which is fair lol

i dont remember if you said you'd consider greater reflex at higher heats

[dusky solar]

i said id consider it for speedrunning

[latent moon]

the thought popped in my head so idk if it's true or not lol

ah i was close

[native blade]

YOU’RE JUST LIKE ME!!!!

[dusky solar]

because itd get me through rooms faster

but RR would still make for a faster hades with the free damage tho >.>

[latent moon]

tight deadline is kinda like speedrunning you could use it with that pact haha

MiKe said that he only ever procced it against hades once when using beo lol

at 50 heat or something

em4 too i think?

[twilit lodge]

I only iframe dad spins when I’m on a build that doesn’t need to

[dusky solar]

im more than fully capable of clearing TD2 but i dont use it because i have inattentive adhd so time limits make me play worse

[latent moon]

rip it do be like that

td kinda free heat tho rip

[dusky solar]

im so used to using RR i proc it unintentionally

[twilit lodge]

Do you take lightning reflexes

[latent moon]

oh god i just realized rama actually needs 2 dashes because your attack might get canceled lmao

[twilit lodge]

It’s free at that point

[latent moon]

oh well that's your problem lol

[dusky solar]

i see the funny 'NEAR MISS!' and then im like shii, alright and i dps my brains out

[twilit lodge]

And then something hits you

😦

[dusky solar]

you mean greater reflex from hermes? yes.

[lean timber]

lawl

isn't rama fun

[twilit lodge]

Me when I play RR gilga

[latent moon]

no

[twilit lodge]

No I mean lightning reflexes

Do other people not say what they mean?

Weird

[latent moon]

some people dont know all the boon names

[dusky solar]

RR rama is fun because you get to piss yourself while resting assured you do more damage than any other rama youll ever see

[latent moon]

lightning reflexes is just RR but instead of those funky bonuses, a near miss causes a lightning bolt to strike

[dusky solar]

i forgor what lightning reflex is

[twilit lodge]

Zeus boon

[dusky solar]

ah

that one

the funky

[twilit lodge]

Perfect dash calls lightning

[dusky solar]

aight lets do this

[dusky cypress]

I think the only reason I wouldn't like certain TDs (TD2 or up, I wanna say TD1 is free even with max erebus/trove fights) is because it'd make me 2nd guess my ability to take a trove when I still want more money/gems/darkness/whatever

[twilit lodge]

It’s the same mechanic as RR

My first time trying td3 I lost because of the timer

[native blade]

Nice.

[twilit lodge]

But then I simply stopped taking troves and other time losses

[native blade]

Same.

[lean timber]

if you're at heat and trying to run td, you will eventually get out of the habit of trove finding

[dusky solar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1012840822145810435/1032869925649399838/unknown.png

time to suffer ig

[native blade]

It was my first time dying to a Fury.

[latent moon]

based pact

oh wait

you could do em1 instead

that way it only impacts 1 fight instead of the whole run

[dusky solar]

ohhhh epic T flourish start

lets go

[twilit lodge]

Do td3 js2

[native blade]

https://tenor.com/view/go-for-it-you-can-do-it-encourage-do-it-gif-14006408

[latent moon]

based

[native blade]

T?

[dusky solar]

AHHH I FORGOT ALL MY KEYBINDS

[latent moon]

thunder

NICE

[native blade]

O

[latent moon]

c1 struggle is real

[dusky solar]

okokok

2 is special, wasd move, space dash, m1 attack m2 cast

lets go

[latent moon]

oh god i remember getting a super armored thug in c1 at 40 heat and it took literally 20 seconds to kill it that was horrid

[latent moon]

2 special? that sounds wildly inconvenient

why not make m2 special and 2 cast if anything because you're less likely to cast on rama

[dusky solar]

49% spec dmg chaos boon start? based

[swift inlet]

On rama

[latent moon]

lmfao what's the base damage for special on rama

[swift inlet]

Absolutely rama

[latent moon]

10?

[twilit lodge]

Rama damage doesn’t come from special 💀

But at least it’s not something detrimental and you got a free room

[latent moon]

extra 5 damage on rama arrows let's go

[latent moon]

roiling:

[native blade]

LEZZZ GOOOOO

Sweet Nectar.

[swift inlet]

special only rama is unaruably the only way to make this trash weapon useable. and even then its only somewhat useable since it only has access to one special hammer. its basicially nothing compared to the superiority of chiron. the attack charges up way too slowly to be useable and shared suffering is a gimmick at best, it adds nothing to help pulling this aspect out of mediocrity. if youre lucky enough and get repluse shot you might - and I say MIGHT get the chance to actually get an attack off with this thing, and even then its simply not worth it. the attack speed is way too slow and the damage completly pales in comparison to actually fast hitting aspects like gilgamesh. its sad to say but supergiantgames design philosophy of making most hidden aspects basicially a slow and unusable version of their base weapon has backfired completly. first beowulf - now this. hidden aspects are supposed to be strong and rewarding for the sheer grind I had to go through to unlock them. I dont even know if I want to unlock hidden rail at this point

[brisk trail]

hello

i havent played hades in a minute lol

i think i might play games this weekend so ill play it hten

[swift inlet]

Nope, trash, if chaos doesn't give the boons you want you reset otherwise you can't get the sub1 tart

[twilit lodge]

true

[brisk trail]

also how much more purple shards do you get if you pick the purple glwoing weapons

[latent moon]

20%

[twilit lodge]

Personally if I don’t pick up c1 boon in under 0.95 I scrap the run

Keeps me sharp

[dusky solar]

NO DIO WHY MUST YOU OFFER ME HEROIC SPECIAL SWAP NOW

[swift inlet]

I think my boon pb is 1.03

[latent moon]

it do be like that

[swift inlet]

I legitimately can't get the sub 1 but tbf I'm also on kbm

[latent moon]

is he offering call?

[dusky solar]

ugh, no. Dstrike and PV

[latent moon]

i've gotten it 2 or 3 times lol

[latent moon]

pv decent i guess

[twilit lodge]

I had a really fast one with gilga once

[latent moon]

not pommale

so that's neat

[swift inlet]

PExclusive
VAccess

[twilit lodge]

Like 0.7 I think

[swift inlet]

Best boon tbh

[twilit lodge]

Pv kinda mid for Zeus starts

[rustic vale]

I'm so nice

[twilit lodge]

Maybe better on special

But Zeus strike first Pom is underwhelming

Especially if epic

[rustic vale]

I've got 0.95 and 1.00 on the dot

[dusky solar]

relentless volley rama? ill take it

[latent moon]

special only rama run gaming

what were the other hammers lmao

if the others were perfect and twin i'm gonna piss my pants

[swift inlet]

I don't use trashspects like gilg 💪

[rustic vale]

charged + concentrated + relentless volley rama

definitely possible

[swift inlet]

Chiron should have an exclusive hammer that gives it a rama mechanic

[twilit lodge]

Even faster than I thought

[dusky solar]

im offered epic divine strike, worth it?

[swift inlet]

Bouncing seeking special

[dusky solar]

or athena aid

[latent moon]

yeah it's not bad

[dusky solar]

ima take the strike

[swift inlet]

What even is the build

Are you doing heat

[latent moon]

10 heat

fo2 lc1

[dusky solar]

was hoping for aph? but ath is good too

[swift inlet]

🗿

[latent moon]

zeus special start

[dusky solar]

fo2 lc1 td2

rama

[twilit lodge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/997466907030605934/1027074793083768912/IMG_3436.jpg

[latent moon]

epic athena is probably better than common or rare aprho

[swift inlet]

Shouldve just done speedrun heat +1

Yeah

[twilit lodge]

A beefy % attack

[swift inlet]

Rarity scaling is fat

[latent moon]

bot's done screwed up it said common heart break strike was 70%

but epic athena is still good

[dusky solar]

30 second tisiphone but i got messed up pretty bad thanks to me being out of practice

[latent moon]

clear's a clear

[swift inlet]

Tisiphone takes 90 years to phase so good job

I actually dunno how fast I kill tisiphone

[latent moon]

tis is slowest

which is pain

[twilit lodge]

Tis is easiest

[latent moon]

yeah but slowest speedrunning wise

the room changes take a long time

[twilit lodge]

I’d rather fight Tis than chase Alecto around for ten years

[latent moon]

and takes longer to phase down

they're all relatively similar times but tis is still slower

[dusky solar]

next keepsake?

[twilit lodge]

A beefy % attack like Aphrodite (preferably not common)

[dusky solar]

maybe arty for her dash

ill do that

[twilit lodge]

O k

[latent moon]

yeah was just gonna suggest that

not much else you need after this other than good hammers

[dusky solar]

hell yes i got rare H dash

oh no thats tough

swift flourish or switf strike

hhhhh

might go strike

[latent moon]

wait

whats the third

[dusky solar]

hyper sprint

[latent moon]

hyper sprint

[dusky solar]

really?

[latent moon]

yeah

[dusky solar]

wait does that m-

[latent moon]

swift flourish or strike isn't useful

[dusky solar]

sturdy on rama is op im stupid

[latent moon]

swift strike doesn't affect dash strikes

[latent moon]

not even for that tbh

rush delivery is a big one

another is that you're only using 1 dash

[swift inlet]

Rd numbers go brrr

[latent moon]

so getting that extra distance is gonna be really useful

[rustic vale]

For rush delivery

[latent moon]

late again

[rustic vale]

[native blade]

I just double killed Theseus and Asterius with one Aphro shot.

[latent moon]

well my main gripe with rd on rama is that it takes a long time to fire so you might not benefit from that
but it's still good tbh

[rustic vale]

I’m right on time according me

[native blade]

Nah, Alecto is.

[dusky solar]

hmm, thats tough...

strong drink, after party, or high tolerance

[native blade]

Strong Drink.

[dusky solar]

okie

[native blade]

Every time.

[latent moon]

aspho rn?

[swift inlet]

you're dashing out of the shot anyway

[native blade]

?

[latent moon]

oh true

[latent moon]

well tbh strong drink isn't too useful if you get it in ely or styx

and high tolerance would be better

high tolerance is like resist damage below x% right

[dusky solar]

given my luck i have the lurking feeling im gonna get a 4 sack and die to TD

[latent moon]

nah you'll be fine

whats the timer at rn

and what chamber

[twilit lodge]

High tolerance is less damage in fog

[native blade]

That’s cap:

[twilit lodge]

Positive outlook is less damage at low hp

[latent moon]

ah

[native blade]

Well, at least for me.

[latent moon]

what's after party then lmao

[dusky solar]

eurydice got my hunter dash upgraded to epic, nice

[latent moon]

based

what else did she hit

[dusky solar]

return to the threshhold of hp after a fight

[twilit lodge]

Hp restored to certain % after battle

[latent moon]

ah that's mid

[native blade]

The Dice came in clutch.

[latent moon]

yeah strong drink was the only right choice then

[dusky solar]

heroic battle rage, pretty nice considering i dont have DC on

[latent moon]

depends on rarity for ely, not worth for styx unless the other options are bad

[latent moon]

oh battle rage is pretty nutty on rama

fat damage

[lean timber]

battle rage is crazy on rama

so funny

[latent moon]

just dont special after killing something lol

[lean timber]

hopefully everything is shared before you get a kill, yeah

[native blade]

Oh, well I usually have Premium on so it’s usually epic.

[latent moon]

kinda unfortunate tho since you typically want to lead special

[lean timber]

otherwise you're not gonna have fun

[native blade]

Also, I have a 362% Curse of Vengeance.

[lean timber]

nah it's totally easy. shared suffering persists for 7 seconds. just do a little mashing and ur good

[latent moon]

exclusive access?

[native blade]

Ye.

[latent moon]

well that's fine i guess

10% for dad isn't bad

[native blade]

The health is really what’s clutch for me since I’m usually low health.

[latent moon]

oh right sd without lc4

[native blade]

Also, who here runs High Confidence?

[latent moon]

i guess that's fine

[latent moon]

only for speedruns

that aren't 40 heat

[native blade]

Ah.

[latent moon]

the 50 hp is just better for safety

[dusky solar]

i put shared suffering on lernie last phase and shot my bow through him and three leftover bloodless and 1 shot him

[latent moon]

that's rama for you lol

[dusky solar]

5 mins left on the clock, plus 7 heading into ely

[latent moon]

oh you have plenty of time

[dusky solar]

not if i get a 4 sack

[latent moon]

a 4 sack would suck but you could scrape by

rama has good boss damage

[native blade]

True, but the risk is fun.

[dusky solar]

what keepsake for ely? BH maybe?

[native blade]

Specially with PS.

[native blade]

?

[dusky solar]

my usual ely keepsake is myrmidon bracer

[native blade]

What’s sack?

[latent moon]

hour glass is good yeah

[native blade]

O

[latent moon]

if not then acorn is fine

or tooth

[dusky solar]

hmm... ill do hourglass

[latent moon]

hourglass and look for ichors and attack jerkies

oh the healing per room thingy is busted with hourglass

[dusky solar]

i dont want my champions fight to take an hour, i still havent unlocked cthonic champions so i need the extra stats

[latent moon]

that's fair

hopefully you get a good hammer this time lol

[dusky solar]

small issue im broke

[latent moon]

rip

you'll pick up gold rooms

ely has a lot more gold laurels than blue

[dusky solar]

theres a gold room right there, speak of the devil

[latent moon]

assuming dark foresight

gaming

[native blade]

Gimme Tidal Dash.

[swift inlet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/699090167788470284/1032877871422783559/unknown.png

This is

[native blade]

Gimme Tidal Dash.

Gimme Tidal Dash.

[swift inlet]

A very strange run

[native blade]

DUO?!?!!!!

Huh.

[latent moon]

bruh get the sub8

[swift inlet]

idk

slow af lernie

[latent moon]

yo meme beam based

[swift inlet]

tart was hell

cleared it 2:20

[latent moon]

4 min lernie is sub 8able

[dusky solar]

twin shot or perfect shot?

[swift inlet]

And uh

twin

[latent moon]

twin

[swift inlet]

I messed up lernie

[dusky solar]

you got it

[latent moon]

twin is rama's best hammer

[swift inlet]

Because uh

[latent moon]

double the damage what's not to love

[swift inlet]

Witches' circle

[native blade]

Weapon?

[latent moon]

eris

[dusky solar]

do i risk going to a challenge room or go to patty

[swift inlet]

I changed to aim at cursor so I could aim meg

[latent moon]

patty

[swift inlet]

Issue is

[latent moon]

get the jerky

[dusky solar]

k

[terse geyser]

twin

[swift inlet]

I forgot to change it back to not aim at cursor

[latent moon]

oh lmao

[native blade]

Oh.

[latent moon]

oh jerky assuming you have your DD's

and hp i guess

should've clarified

but prob too late now

[terse geyser]

I use aim assist for rail
but I really wish there was a setting to make it ONLY affect rail attack and literally nothing else

[dusky solar]

ares aid or blood frenzy (i still have all my DDs

[latent moon]

frenzy

[dusky solar]

k

[latent moon]

ares aid is bad

[terse geyser]

I hate aim assist so much reeeeeeeee

[dusky solar]

OH HEY AN UNATTENDED BAD OF GOLD IN THE MID SHOP I WONDER WHAT WILL HAPPEN IF I-

[terse geyser]

get ares aid for the prophecy, then probably never again

[latent moon]

do it if you're not a coward

[native blade]

I’m gonna lose this.

[terse geyser]

happens

[dusky solar]

mm, i got the two bridge room layout which i was about to cry about but thankfully than is here so it wont take an hour to clear

[latent moon]

based

[dusky solar]

i just realised im at 10 minutes in ely ive never been this fast

[latent moon]

lmao

gaming

[native blade]

Lel.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1031568485857370113/1032879694510567455/unknown.png?width=1161&height=700

[dusky solar]

ARE YOU KIDDING ME

LOOK AT THIS WELL

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1012840822145810435/1032879776676978738/unknown.png

BAD

[latent moon]

rip

[dusky solar]

ICKY

[latent moon]

eye of lamia can be alright

i'd take that one tbh

[native blade]

That's not...

Ok.

[latent moon]

it'll go through styx

[latent moon]

that's not what

[native blade]

That’s not bad.

[latent moon]

eh it kinda is

[rustic vale]

It’s pretty bad

[latent moon]

there's much better stuff

[rustic vale]

out of the all other options

[native blade]

Huh.

[latent moon]

ichors, jerkies, hydralite

lamia isn't that bad tbh

it's like

bottom of the barrel for good items

trap damage on enemies don't matter too much tbh

[dusky solar]

what keepsake last?

i lost two DD

[latent moon]

rip

[dusky solar]

maybe tooth?

[latent moon]

acorn or tooth

[dusky solar]

acorn?

[latent moon]

acorn can deny more hp than tooth

assuming you only get hit by hades

[dusky solar]

mhm

[latent moon]

and not the adds

if you get archers in dad fight it'll suck a lot

[dusky solar]

although i do sometimes get those things and i get hit by em a lot

hmm...

[latent moon]

eh tooth or acorn is always personal preference tbh

i like acorn

[dusky solar]

ill do acorn

or

spearpoint could save me more

im bad with poison

yknow what, ill take spearpoint

got 14 minutes on the clock

both in time spent and time left

[latent moon]

oh yeah spear point exists

that's good too

[dusky solar]

got a 2 sack, im full hp with one DD and i think i still got some jerky effect from one i picked up in the midpoint

yep

30%

[dusky cypress]

a 2 sack?

2 sack styx?

[terse geyser]

man
I haven't posted midrun in such a long time...
how do y'all wake yourselves up from the run and go to discord

[terse geyser]

yes.

[dusky cypress]

I do it fairly often

I mean isn't it like
the same thing as coming back to hades after pausing it to take a piss/eat/whatever?

or do you mean quitting a run and coming back later, that sounds potentially much worse but I could still 100% see myself doing that

[terse geyser]

I uhh
finish runs to do those

ngl

[dusky cypress]

???? that potentially seems like an extremely tight timer

[dusky solar]

LOOK HOW HARD I CAN CRY

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1012840822145810435/1032883299317719070/unknown.png?width=1618&height=910

[dusky cypress]

feel that you need to take a piss soon in beginning of asphodel > another like 12 minutes on a td3 run

no thanks

[rustic vale]

I can hardly finish a less than 15 minute igt run in one sitting

[dusky solar]

im gonna kick you

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1012840822145810435/1032883627446509618/unknown.png?width=1618&height=910

[dusky cypress]

why spearpoint and not acorn?

I thought spearpoint was good until I realized the damage prevented is only after you have taken damage

[dusky solar]

poison bad

[rustic vale]

Spearpoint is good versus poison

[dusky cypress]

I could imagine doing it now tho just because I'm doing FO2 and getting like... stunlocked? idk

yeah poison is v bad, fair point

[dusky solar]

also, it helps if you are in a corner with a hades cast stuck in you

[dusky cypress]

just like rush over to a fountain tho idk

that is very true

[dusky solar]

which happens to me a lot because im out of practice

[native blade]

Sack???

[dusky cypress]

I like to think I've done an excellent job of just cooling down/dodging attacks if I'm sloppy enough to actually somehow get hit with the skull

[terse geyser]

no fighting in the House 😠

[dusky cypress]

he deserves it

[terse geyser]

no

it's an accomplishment

[dusky cypress]

but also you get killed even if you win so

[terse geyser]

you have died more times than any living mortal

[dusky solar]

yknow. satyr sack.

[native blade]

Wait…

[dusky cypress]

alright that's kind of goated

sea storm works on the shield bearers even when they block the special (chiron bow)

[native blade]

Holy shot you’re amazing.

[native blade]

Nope.

No memory.

[native blade]

Noice.

[dusky solar]

who was this aimed at?

[native blade]

U.

[dusky solar]

but im bad at the game

[native blade]

U just hit a hundred deaths?

Cap.

[dusky solar]

yes????

i mean

[rustic vale]

they don’t have a skissue

[dusky solar]

120 because i have 20 on my second save file

[native blade]

Oh, still.

[dusky solar]

is it... not normal to be able to challenge like 10 heat with only 120 attempts under my belt?

i thought i was doing terrible

[rustic vale]

You aren’t doing terrible

[native blade]

I’m at 160.

[rustic vale]

you also have an intentionally bad mirror

[dusky solar]

no, i am not programmed to feel flattery, what is this feeling

[native blade]

True, but still, better than me.

[dusky cypress]

I think I did my first 10 heat at my 70th attempt (EM4) but I'm v confident I could've done a 10 heat, not-shield run on like my 40th attempt free

[rustic vale]

Self-accomplishment

I got my first clear at attempt 50 💀

[dusky solar]

i remember something funny

[native blade]

Damn, I got it at 65.

[rustic vale]

Now I’m at like 423 escape attempts and still have a skissue

Not sub10 yet

[native blade]

With SD tho…

[rustic vale]

And godmode so it evens out, no

[native blade]

Nope.

[rustic vale]

?

[native blade]

Didn’t have God Mode back then.

I started God Mode at 10 heat.

[dusky solar]

a used-to-be friend of mine lost it completely because he couldnt get the hang of the shield and then he watched me kill hades with it

[rustic vale]

You didn’t have it on… and then you turned it on after escaping atleast once?

Bruh

[native blade]

Lel.

[dusky solar]

me and him started hades at around the same time and he couldnt even use the shield by the time id beaten the game with it

[native blade]

Lel.

So I do have some skill?

[dusky solar]

of course, he proceeded to say the shield was a braindead weapon and berate me for abusing it

[rustic vale]

Ehhh

[dusky solar]

but he was just coping and seething

[native blade]

If he can’t use a brain dead weapon…

[dusky cypress]

do the "minor prohecy" markers get bugged/go away at a certain point? is there something I'm missing about those?

[native blade]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-meme-pepe-frog-gif-26117735

[terse geyser]

they're all a bit braindead at middling-high skill and middling heat

[rustic vale]

They stay even after clearing just greyed out

[terse geyser]

you fall into whatever pattern puts out the most dps

and stay there

[dusky solar]

(i figured out he was a massive transphobe and thought that all trans people were beneath him and lost it entirely if one was better than him at anything)

[dusky cypress]

yikes

[native blade]

True, that’s gamin.

[native blade]

Wha-

[rustic vale]

[dusky cypress]

I still think minotaur rush is kind of stupid good for like, babies first hades clear

and still rly good, but I also haven't used a shield in like the past 30 runs or smthn

[dusky solar]

just like that time he insisted the insect glaive was a trash weapon and then i beat the hardest monster in MHW alone with it and he immediately went to saying i cheesed the boss somehow

[rustic vale]

[native blade]

YO!!!

[rustic vale]

this friend of yours

Are they still your friend

[terse geyser]

"figured out"
unless he told you, it's a bit rude to assume

[native blade]

YOU PLAY MONSTER HUNTER TOO?!??

[dusky cypress]

he they said ex

[native blade]

https://tenor.com/view/letgo-lets-goooo-pickles-lets-go-excited-gif-13808708

[rustic vale]

Oh I missed that

[dusky cypress]

why am I saying that lol? she?
what's ur pronouns?
(never thought I'd actually ask that but here we are)

[dusky solar]

hell naw

[rustic vale]

Time to sub10 tonight 💪

[native blade]

I mean… There’s a lot you can find out without it being said.

[rustic vale]

She

/her

[native blade]

Indeed.

[dusky solar]

mhm! thamk

[dusky cypress]

cool

[rustic vale]

Lile

[rustic vale]

I got this from her bio

[native blade]

Same.

I like the pronoun roles.

Btw, how do I get it?

[dusky cypress]

or I could just click on profile yeah that... checks out

I'm just braindead rn apparently

[dusky solar]

though sometimes its they/them, it depends on how im feeling and if im she/her ill have the name stella and if im they/them ill have the name stardust/

[rustic vale]

Bot commsnds

[native blade]

Nah, we’re all brain dead sometimes.

[rustic vale]

Steladust

[native blade]

Genderfluid?

[dusky solar]

yea

[native blade]

O.

[dusky solar]

when the gender is liquid

[native blade]

https://tenor.com/view/pog-gif-18640695

[dusky solar]

melts

[rustic vale]

When the gender is gas 😳

[dusky solar]

hell naw gas is boring, go straight to plasma

[native blade]

When you’re gendergamma.

https://tenor.com/view/geforce-sucks-creepy-scared-moist-gif-24208414

[rustic vale]

I’m gender

🧠

[native blade]

Hi gender, I’m dad.

https://tenor.com/view/ohhhh-gif-24550048

[rustic vale]

No you aren’t 🔫

[dusky solar]

if gender is like a heads or tails coin then i stole like 500 and at any random moment ill take one and put it into one of those penny press machines and then change it out every once in a while

[native blade]

Got em.

[native blade]

Kewl.

[rustic vale]

Gender is like a d100 except it’s weighted

[dusky solar]

well only some peoples dice are weighted

[native blade]

It’s like a cod lootbox.

[dusky solar]

plus d100's dont actually see any use, we use a d10 and a percentile die (a differently marked d10)

[rustic vale]

I legitimately have a weighted d20

Except I never use it

It was unintentional, was a flaw in the design for how I made it

[dusky solar]

i have weighted dice but not in the way that they are more likely to hit higher rolls, but because theyre made of a nice quality heavy alloy and theyre really satisfying to roll

[rustic vale]

Accidentally have most of the double digit numbers on oneside
And it’s light enough that that skews the numbers rolled a bit

[dusky solar]

also very good for me because i dont eat them because they taste bad (i have an oral fixation) (average neurodivergent moment)

not that i care about wether or not i chew on random things on my desk- but because when i do i have a high probability of losing it

[rustic vale]

You don’t eat your dice? SMH

[native blade]

Oh.

Cring.

[dusky solar]

no i have a separate set of cheap plastic dice i eat instead

[latent moon]

based

[rustic vale]

Based

[latent moon]

do you ever splurge and eat the expensive dice occasionally

[native blade]

Based and Redpilled.

[dusky solar]

perhaps

[latent moon]

lmao

[terse geyser]

don't eat dice.

[dusky solar]

but then i spit em out because they dont taste bad

[native blade]

She’s reached unheard levels of based.

[native blade]

Damn.

[dusky solar]

they do8

do*

[native blade]

https://tenor.com/view/explosion-fire-coffee-machine-coffee-maker-broken-gif-16861747

[dusky solar]

i cant type

idk why but its usually the d4 which i should stop with because i only have 1 d4

[latent moon]

d4 pointy tho

feels good

[dusky solar]

mmm, tru

[rustic vale]

d4 are practically caltrops

[dusky solar]

mhm thats why you get really good at not losing them specifically

because if you do

and you have metal dice

well

[rustic vale]

You go step and your feet go dead

[dusky solar]

yknow

funnily enough

[native blade]

Lego moment.

[latent moon]

extreme lego

[dusky solar]

most of the dice are rounded

[rustic vale]

Extreme lego

[native blade]

Lego: Hell Mode.

[latent moon]

lego god mode is just styrofoam bricks

[rustic vale]

Lego: draw blood mode

[dusky solar]

the d10s are rounded at the edges, the d20s are rounded, the d6s are rounded, but the d4, the only die with an upright spike? no rounding at all its just sharp

[latent moon]

i feel like the points could be rounded off but it'd still be relatively sharp/pointy

[rustic vale]

We should have more point my die

[terse geyser]

won't function as well if it's rounded

[latent moon]

not many 4 sided shapes that wont be pointy

[dusky solar]

itll still land on a side eventually

[terse geyser]

one hopes

[dusky solar]

doenst really change anything

[rustic vale]

Pyramid go rolly polly

[dusky solar]

the d4 alone rolls far less than the others anyway

it more just bounces once or twice

[latent moon]

makes sense

not as rounded

[rustic vale]

True why even have d4 if they’re just going to roll the lowest anyways

[terse geyser]

[dusky solar]

wanna hear a funny character creation story

[latent moon]

that's why i use 2 coins, assign arbitrary values, and throw them off a building as a d4

[rustic vale]

Sure

[dusky solar]

yknow how you determine a stat in DND by throwing 4 D6's and combining the highest 3?

[rustic vale]

you can yes

[dusky solar]

in ONE character creation i got both an 18 and a 3

[rustic vale]

wow

[dusky solar]

and thus i created the paladin with the worst AC possible

the 3 dex paladin

[native blade]

Lel.

[rustic vale]

6 ac pally

no armour?

[dusky solar]

well yeah theres armor but i still had an AC of like 10

ive seen warlocks with more AC than that

[terse geyser]

ah yes

AC

[rustic vale]

your dex shouldn’t’ve negatively affected your ac that badly if you were wearing heavy or medium armour

[rustic vale]

Spellcasters can hit the best ac in 5e

[dusky solar]

i COULDVE had a 16 AC paladin that would be neigh invincible but... oh well...

[rustic vale]

[terse geyser]

the most important value in hades

[rustic vale]

True

[dusky solar]

i forgot this was a hades channel

[terse geyser]

I noticed

[dusky solar]

apologies

[rustic vale]

Because of shield and armour dipping casters are just better at having ac really then martials or halfcasters though

[terse geyser]

serious question: why do you not capitalize "I"

do you not believe yourself worth the proper pronoun?

the only one we have in English?

[dusky solar]

why would i, its annoying and i dont feel like using caps

[rustic vale]

So seeing warlocks having better ac is perfectly valid

[dusky solar]

also it makes it look like an l and it pisses me off

[terse geyser]

sounds like a "yes" to me
...troublesome

[rustic vale]

l

I

[old belfry]

l

[rustic vale]

I use l as an I for videogame usernames

[dusky solar]

you arent helping

[rustic vale]

I’m super helpful

[dusky solar]

i dont listen to people who use proper punctuation

capitalization*

i word good

[rustic vale]

Omg you’ve seen warlocks with more ac then 10, unheard of 😳

[rustic vale]

True!

[dusky solar]

should i tell you about the warlock i made?

yknow

[rustic vale]

Sure

[dusky solar]

the one that got one shot by the first enemy on a low roll?

[rustic vale]

[dusky solar]

8 hp 9 AC

[rustic vale]

+0 con and -1 dex

[dusky solar]

i was doing d20 rolls for my stats, i rolled two 1's and two 4's and a ten and an eleven.

[rustic vale]

That’s asking to be killed

[latent moon]

that's incredibly based

tmw when you fail the tutorial

[dusky solar]

my friend asked me to reroll one of my ones. i got another 1.

he kept asking me to reroll until i got a 16

[rustic vale]

So it sounds like your strength was higher then your con and dex on a warlock of all things

Wait nevermind

I read wrong

you really just rolled insanely badly

[dusky solar]

yep

1, 1, 4, 4, 10, 11

[slim geyser]

are we talking dnd

[dusky solar]

uhhh

[latent moon]

seems like it

[dusky solar]

no

nope

[latent moon]

oh

no

def not

[dusky solar]

definetely not

[rustic vale]

no we’re talking Hades

[dusky solar]

uhuh

[slim geyser]

oh okay

[latent moon]

yeah we're talking about uh

[dusky solar]

yeah uhhhh

[latent moon]

rng rolls

[rustic vale]

Yeah

[slim geyser]

artemis is an excellent ranger

[latent moon]

yaknow

rng manipulation

that sorta stuff

[slim geyser]

yes ofc

[dusky solar]

that was uhm

[rustic vale]

Yeah

[dusky solar]

the pom levels of my boons one run

[rustic vale]

I roll for my boons with advantage

[dusky solar]

crazy ik

[slim geyser]

damn i wish

[latent moon]

fated persuasion be like:

[acoustic bolt]

does pulverizing blow make charged shot hit twice?

[latent moon]

no

[rustic vale]

No

[latent moon]

that'd be hilarious tho

[rustic vale]

Only standing strike

[latent moon]

loaded beo cshot does 180 damage already

imagine hitting for 360

and arty strike crits

[acoustic bolt]

alright so i have charged shot arty attack/special

do i take explosive return or dashing wallop

[latent moon]

on beo?

[rustic vale]

D wallop

[acoustic bolt]

zeus

[latent moon]

oh

return

explosive return

[rustic vale]

oh zeus

[latent moon]

is zeus' best hammer

[rustic vale]

Explosige return

[latent moon]

better than cshot actually

actually funnily enough

zeus doesn't want cshot lol

for high heat at least

speedrun is probably fine? not sure about intricacies with zeus

[dusky solar]

yeah no zeus wants the mobility more to have control over the spec

[latent moon]

yea

[acoustic bolt]

it was one of the valid builds for speedrunning in duunks or whatevers guide

[latent moon]

i didn't look at that lol

with zeus shield you typically want to bull rush to your special i think

[acoustic bolt]

yesterday i did pulverizing ME on zeus which was sweet

[latent moon]

idk i'm not an expert at zeus

[rustic vale]

Sudden rush is kust boosting your ability to run away

[latent moon]

i just do things and apparently it let me clear 45 heat on zeus so idk it's just strong lol

[dusky solar]

yknow if you think about it, if the timer stopped after you clear a room RR might be meta for speedruns due to the faster dpsing on bosses

[latent moon]

bosses aren't the issue in speedruns

it's the normal rooms

and 2 dashes lets you cover ground faster in there

[dusky solar]

mm, i see

[latent moon]

and easier to spawn manip

[dusky cypress]

https://imgur.com/a/YkDXIzm

[latent moon]

very nice

[dusky solar]

how it feels to be potted with HS on

[latent moon]

lmfao

actually true

150 damage

[dusky cypress]

grrrrrr

almost lost this bow run because of taking anvil + refusing to use anvil manip (yes I know its extremely useful and to boot, its incredibly trivial)

[latent moon]

this is why we dont take anvil

[dusky cypress]

also the last 50 hp came ridiculously in clutch

(filling out minor prophecy for equipping each keepsake - told myself I'd only equip tooth for hades)

yeah I'm well aware

[dusky solar]

do pots get effected by HL too?

[latent moon]

no

hl is only enemy damage

[dusky solar]

thank fk

[dusky cypress]

HL?

not HS

not stygian either
what's HL?

[latent moon]

hard labor

[dusky cypress]

ah

[dusky solar]

up to 100% increased enemy dmg

[latent moon]

base damage for pots is 30, hs is that * 5 so 150
hl would make that 300 lmfao

[dusky solar]

which would have meant 300 dmg pots

yep

[latent moon]

i mean

to be completely fair

it might as well be 300

because you're dying anyways

[dusky cypress]

also probably would've gone much faster if I took the +4 special arrows on my first hammer instead of chain shot (which is actually kind of decent but I don't think it compares to chiron special builds)

:((( at least I still won the run tho

[latent moon]

most of the time

[latent moon]

were you using chiron?

and took chain shot?

[dusky cypress]

minor prophecies

[latent moon]

ah

fair enough

[dusky solar]

who else remembers the innosence of taking every centaur heart to have 400 hp going to hades because you didnt know what high heat would do to that strategy

[dusky cypress]

yes I'm 100% aware its supposed to be the +4

[latent moon]

lmao mood

[native blade]

Wait... What does it do?

[latent moon]

now at 9 heat speedruns i'd be lucky if i get more than 150

[dusky cypress]

the last like 4 bow runs that I've done with chiron (because I'm sick of doing melee-range rama) have seen a hammer be +4 but also have a minor prophecy option :I

[latent moon]

rip

[dusky solar]

having 400 hp is NOT useful once you climb heat

[latent moon]

well

it is

[native blade]

Also does Tisi ever say happy?

[dusky cypress]

400 hp is a lot

[latent moon]

it's just that you're probably gonna be sacrificing your build for centaur hearts

[dusky solar]

yeah but not as much as a ton of dmg

[latent moon]

if you have 400 anyways lol

[native blade]

Ok... But does something happen?

Or...

[dusky cypress]

even if 50 of it came from arthur/collar/that one mirror

[latent moon]

die to td because your build sucks

[dusky solar]

no its just that youll take forever

[native blade]

Should've done it with Shackle, lol

[native blade]

o.

[latent moon]

when i did shackle beo 40 heat, i had a ton of hp but holy crap there was no damage

[dusky solar]

what aspect next, i dont wanna do rama again

[latent moon]

hera

[dusky solar]

hmm, alright

[dusky cypress]

yeah health is only cool for so long until you go "wtf am I actually doing with this much health"

esp once you have access to three frickin' DDs smh

[dusky solar]

you take crush shot on hera, right?

[latent moon]

yeah

tidal dash, arty atk, hopefully get mirage but not important

the only important one is tidal dash for styx

[terse geyser]

sd makes health more worthwhile imo

[latent moon]

any good % atk will do fine

oh snow burst from dem is great on hera

[dusky solar]

could it be worth taking stygian since youll technically be getting more casts per second

[latent moon]

no

[dusky solar]

are you sure?

[native blade]

Indeed.

[latent moon]

with crush shot you'll one shot enemies anyways

[native blade]

Also, I’ma try a Centaur Build.

[dusky solar]

i just dont like infernal soul is all

[native blade]

One day.

[latent moon]

if you want to use stygian, you can do trippy flare
however you're gonna need to high roll into more casts

with crush shot, you just one shot all the enemies and chunk bosses down a lot every volley

you want the hermes boon that makes them drop stones faster

i can never remember the name

[dusky solar]

ugh, im so tired of the champions fight.

i give in- how do i get the meg plushie

[latent moon]

how close are you to getting companions btw

oh lmfao

give her 1 ambrosia

[dusky solar]

uhhhh

[latent moon]

romance her or something idk

dont remember ngl

[native blade]

Just talk.

Eventually give her Ambrosia.

[latent moon]

well yeah but idk if there's any more specifics

[native blade]

Done.

Not as it relates to getting the Companion.

[dusky solar]

ive given her 5 nectar so far

[latent moon]

After a random number of encounters with the Furies, Megaera will approach Zagreus in his room, and tell him that she's only stopping him from escaping because she has to. (This requires her to have first been in his room to collect her belongings.) After this interaction, Megaera can receive Ambrosia the next time she is met in the House of Hades.

[dusky solar]

how many left?

[latent moon]

6

[native blade]

Give her more.

[latent moon]

6 total

so 1 more

i could've just said that lol

[native blade]

What does she take btw?

[dusky solar]

what keepsake for hera start

[latent moon]

aphro

for crush shot

[dusky solar]

yeeesh my hera is lvl 1

[native blade]

Also, were u avoiding Meg?

[dusky solar]

no i just forgetful

[latent moon]

your boss fights are gonna suck but you should be killing normal enemies in 1 volley

[dusky solar]

i totally dont have 21 nectar on me

[latent moon]

lmao

[dusky solar]

oh fk

i cant hit any power shots im so used to rama

too fast

agh

[latent moon]

lmao

at least with hera the bulk of the damage is the cast

[native blade]

Ah.

Well idk if u want Than, but Than’s better damage wise.

[latent moon]

pretty inconsistent tho

[native blade]

Really?

Not as I’ve seen.

[latent moon]

i mean it goes through really slow

enemies can dodge it

[dusky cypress]

also the other reason I almost died was because the anvil gave me the "double shot but lesser range" hammer -_-

[latent moon]

can't use mort on sneak, middle management butterfly ball

em3

em3 kinda doable but rough

[dusky solar]

ew its basic rarity

[latent moon]

that's fine

crush shot rarity isn't that drastic

[dusky solar]

i rerolled and now its just gone

[dusky cypress]

meanwhile I'm just wondering if I'm somehow doing something way harder because I have 0 clue what the companions do, what they even are and if they're any good lol

[dusky solar]

welp

[latent moon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1007734863186624562/1032898730040504360/output.png

[dusky solar]

restart time

[latent moon]

oh bruh lmao

it's like a difference of 10 damage

[dusky cypress]

damn the limited broker deal was the same as last time and still just as useless now as it was then (10 nect>1 amb)

too used to it actually being decent ish ig

[dusky solar]

i died to reset my rng, and apparently theres unique dialogue if you die in the first chamber

epic crush shot, much better

[native blade]

Chaos Affluence boons are my new favourite.

I have a combined 130% profit increase.

[dusky cypress]

chaos boons can be p good and its nice that cosmic egg gets the highest% rarity bonus chance 👍

[dusky solar]

wow that was the best pom porridge ive ever gotten

[dusky cypress]

also you can comfortably get considerably more, but they're also not that common

[swift inlet]

I'm cursed

[dusky cypress]

porridge is the next 4 right?

[dusky solar]

+1 to thunder flourish, crush shot, urge to kill and dio call

[swift inlet]

been doing eris tart for like an hour

no good sub2s

Witches and numbskulls everywhere

[native blade]

Seriously, what’s sack?

[swift inlet]

Life is misery

[dusky cypress]

satyr sack

the thing you give to cereberus before you beat the hell out of hades for the nth time

[native blade]

Existence is pain.

[native blade]

But I’ve heard people say they got multiple?

[dusky cypress]

probably thinking of something else or maybe it shares a name with a boon hell if I know

oh

[dusky cypress]

when they said 2 sack they meant they only got it in 2 tunnels

not that they got 2 sacks

[native blade]

O.

[dusky cypress]

wanna say its a minimum of 2 tunnels up to 5

can rerolling w/ authority get you different rarities?

[dusky solar]

will blown kiss work on hera?

im gonna assume no

[lean timber]

so i got a 7:30 but i got five sacked so it became a 10m

:))

:))

:))

the punishment for unmod

[dusky solar]

hmmm

should i try to fight charon?

ive got 10 minutes left in ely and im feeling pretty strong but idk if i wanna risk it

i think ill just pass

[native blade]

:/

[dusky solar]

i just died to champions ffs

[native blade]

F.

[dusky cypress]

imagine dying to heroes smH

[native blade]

Heat?

[dusky solar]

10...

[native blade]

Damn.

I just beat EM4 on that.

[dusky solar]

i only had one DD though thanks to the fkin butterfly ball

[native blade]

L.

[dusky cypress]

yeah butterfly ball can be rough

did you have a decent DPS build?

personally, after I did it a couple times, I started making a point of killling the souls before they transformed back

really helps mitigate the damage you take during soul catcher + afterwards cleaning up

[dusky solar]

i was using hera, the only way to kill souls before they form is to use valuable casts that are better spent killing the ball

[latent moon]

Butterfly ball sucks without a summon

[dusky solar]

yeah i really need a companion

but for the past four runs she just refuses to show up in the house

[dusky cypress]

still have 0 clue what the hell a summon is :D

(no don't tell me what they are or what they do or so help me god)

[dusky solar]

so basically they-

i kid

[dusky cypress]

hey can fated authority freely change the rarity of boons?

[dusky solar]

you supposedly get em by being really good friends with a few select characters

[dusky solar]

authority rerolls rooms not boons

youre thinking of persuasion, and also i dont know

[dusky cypress]

I feel like my last 5 butterfly balls have been really easy but its also probably because I know I could very likely confortably do 30 heat atm but don't because... I don't have to

yes but when I use authority as a typo people still know exactly what I mean

[latent moon]

Uh

[latent moon]

I literally couldn't answer your question because of this

Like I saw it

[dusky cypress]

I mean persuasion

[latent moon]

But didn't know

[dusky solar]

probably??

[latent moon]

It can change rarities yes

[dusky cypress]

yes

I'd like something more than a probably

[dusky solar]

neat

[dusky cypress]

you're sure?

[latent moon]

An epic jolted rerolled can turn into common when rerolled

[dusky cypress]

ok that's all I want/needed ty

I'm gonna get

[latent moon]

Rerollong for rarity is bad unless it's legendary or a duo

[dusky cypress]

actually hold on I'm deleting messages before I wake up to 6 pings in the morning, 12 hours after the fact, because of it

its thinking about rerolling a chaos boon because I'm looking at "can't pick up casts for 34 health" in tartarus (100% could use the health at this point but I still feel I could do better)

not w/ egg tho so not guaranteed

[latent moon]

I mean if you want health take it

If you'd rather have more damage or more casts or whatever then reroll

[dusky cypress]

yep I 100% got worse boons

w/e I'll take the 31 for a 3 room -51% movespeed, rip

[native blade]

That’s risk/reward for ya.

[dusky solar]

roguelikes be like that

[dusky cypress]

yeah I'm 100% down with that, I know what I'm getting myself into :^)

[dusky solar]

i may have an unhealthy roguelike addition

addiction

[native blade]

Same.

First Roguelike?