h1-discussion

[twilit lodge]

If you have weak, HL1 is free

Tbh

You say this but your 32 was HL1

[rich gulch]

I personally take a few tabs of ketamime then load up one of the swords or Achilles spear to really feel like I'm in hell, after dying several times due to RNG and my lack of speed.

[twilit lodge]

Cap detected

[sly ridge]

imagine using aspect of zeus

like can you IMAGINE

[fickle hearth]

Yay got aspect of arthur

Game is easy now

[latent moon]

63 heat unseeded clear moment

[rich gulch]

Spinning is a good trick, I hear.

[twilit lodge]

Imagine k-holing during a 45 heat run of hit game Hades™️

[sly ridge]

prepare to have someone explain to you how arthur is awful and should never be used

[fickle hearth]

Fr

But it works for me

[latent moon]

Arthur isn't bad

It's just not fun for a lot of people lol

[sly ridge]

theres always that one person

[twilit lodge]

Is there a word for worse than bad

[fickle hearth]

Easily standing in front of dad's rays and smacking him

[sly ridge]

that just thinks somethin you like is awful

[latent moon]

Your name

[twilit lodge]

Wowowoww

[sly ridge]

"just hug" mfs when they put em4 on the pact :

[rich gulch]

That's when father lets you go to the surface on account of having such balls.

[fickle hearth]

First clear with shield was 35 mins even with god mode, did Arthur without and got 22 mins

[twilit lodge]

I haven’t played nemesis without shackle in so long that I don’t even remember how to build it

[fickle hearth]

Ended up with 315 health

[sly ridge]

rookie numbers

[fickle hearth]

Ye

[latent moon]

Prob didn't have cshot

[fickle hearth]

I am rookie

Had divine strike so just stand there and deflect everything lol

I love Arthur

[sly ridge]

why would you get divine strike

why not divine flourish

[rich gulch]

Not as much as Lancelot and Guinevere loved Arthur.

[fickle hearth]

It never came up

[sly ridge]

not even ddash?

[fickle hearth]

Nop

[latent moon]

It's Arthur why would you put it on the special first

[fickle hearth]

Tru

Arthur special just for the area thing

[latent moon]

The only time I would do that is if the atk rarity sucked

[sly ridge]

why put it on the slowest attack

[fickle hearth]

Had heroic divine strike and heroes atk speed boon

[sly ridge]

you can just reflect with the nova smash while hallowed ground is active

[latent moon]

Because it's still a good % bonus?? Do you not put a boon on Arthur atk???

[fickle hearth]

Attack was fast enough

[sly ridge]

id rather get deadly strike

[latent moon]

I too would gamble having good damage on a probability unless I get good chaos boons

[fickle hearth]

I tried for deadly strike but couldn't get

Ended up with evasion instead

[latent moon]

What

Evasion is Hermes is it not

Deadly strike is arty

They're totally different gods

How is that relevant

[fickle hearth]

Oh ic

Idk what I picked then

[latent moon]

Also ngl arty strike on Arthur is like the same as having arty strike on hesty

You'll only 1 shot 15% of the time but struggle to kill everything else 85% of the time

[fickle hearth]

I only play for the lyre anyway

[latent moon]

Any other % boon besides Poseidon is gonna be better

[fickle hearth]

[twilit lodge]

5:44 lernie exit

SMH

[latent moon]

That is not speed

[twilit lodge]

C49 rare crop

Leggo

Never had a dad fight where he just never used lasers

[latent moon]

sigil gives a 100% damage boost briefly

and a speed boost

not just first atk

all damage in a period of time

yeah

otherwise beo wouldn't run it

because if it was just first atk, charging the bull rush just to let the casts go won't do anything

if you have a -hp per atk curse from chaos, putting down the shield counts as 1, loosing the dragon rush counts as a second

[twilit lodge]

If it was first attack, splash dashing away to position would eat it up

[latent moon]

because why not?

[twilit lodge]

Snurst damage huge

[latent moon]

because you want the big damage as soon as the bubble goes down

as soon as bubble drops you want to slam the casts in

neither does snurst

probably anyways

snurst is more for like smaller enemies in rooms

against bosses it's an added bonus ofc but most of the damage is gonna be from the cast

yeah, there's more smaller enemies than bosses

you're gonna instaphase with casts not snurst

also loading casts wastes time off your call

load, call, fire

as soon as that bubble goes down, that's gonna be your best shot at doing guaranteed big damage

yeah

bad news is bugged to be a global boost anyways

[twilit lodge]

Doesn’t everything get it

Lol

Refund plz

[latent moon]

sounds like a you problem

bugwulf best aspect

probably

snurst passion is still really good

or just dem passion as cores

actually idk the math for it but flood mirage might still be good even if it was 30%

his gun

lmfao

[twilit lodge]

[snow skiff]

Yeah but you wouldn't run legacy for it

[latent moon]

true

[rich gulch]

I must do this-

[rustic vale]

Swift strike flurry fire demeter attack arctic blast zag rail?

Tbf flurry fire + swift strike is more machine gun

[latent moon]

flurry swift is probably faster tbh

[rustic vale]

Gotta love attacking ~2.7* faster than normal

[latent moon]

what if that's just internal cooldowns

for lightning lmao

[rustic vale]

Unless attack speed is additive and then it goes up to 5 times 😳

[rich gulch]

First time I defeated dad was with heroic swift strike with chain lightning on zag spear.

[rustic vale]

Rather than ~2.7 times attack speed

[rich gulch]

How well does it melt?

Would be something with pressure points too potentially.

[latent moon]

not really lmao

you're criting on a 24 or 14

and pressure points probably would only have like idk 7% tops by the end

unless you focus all your poms to it

[rustic vale]

Well

See

If you have pressure points and hunters mark

You’re chillingp

Just pressure points alone though

not doing much

[latent moon]

true

gonna take a bit for the initial crit to go through lol

[rich gulch]

You lads seemingly forgot the rate of fire, which is the highest in the game with this build.

[latent moon]

first of all, it might not actually be the highest but whatever that's not too important considering the second point
it's still a very low percent on a low number. it's not gonna be doing a lot when it does happen every so often

[rich gulch]

That's true. Still, every little helps-

[latent moon]

you could argue that "heart rend chiron is a thing" but it's a 20% chance with 8 arrows, much higher % rate and has better scaling with other stuff like chaos, jerky, and conc volley

[latent moon]

i mean yeah but you're also still just holding the fire button lmao whether or not you get a few random crits in wouldn't really matter in the end, maybe save like 4 seconds total

"4 seconds could be the difference in a wr" a wr run wouldn't do a run like that lmao

[rustic vale]

Not with the set up this has

[rich gulch]

Holding M1 is just fun - this is something different hence my interest.

[rustic vale]

I think that the same build but with zag rail flurry fire goes faster

[rich gulch]

I'll try both tomorrow.

Thanks for the tips guys-

[rustic vale]

Idk if I actually gave any serious help here

[twilit lodge]

Unaruably

Know what’s not fun

Chaos shield

After like.. tart

[rustic vale]

You

[twilit lodge]

Take that back :[

[rustic vale]

I jest

[twilit lodge]

:]

[rustic vale]

I don’t jest anymore since you asked

[twilit lodge]

:[[

Just melt him with your lightning bolt jet fuel

Start by getting rid of what’s healing him

[rustic vale]

Why is em4 a thing? Because why would they make em1 em2 and em3 for each boss leading up to him only to not make one for him

[twilit lodge]

That sounds like quite an extreme measure

[chilly flume]

Any help on bow usage?
I can't really get it going

[rustic vale]

Are you dash striking for every attack?

or is the problem a building it issue

[chilly flume]

I try but it's either easier on m/kb or it's a skill issue

But I try it really hard

[latent moon]

Remapping buttons might help

[high island]

Mainly just a matter of finding your rhythm for Dash-Strike Power Shots. And look for Attack + Dash-Strike boons from Master Chaos in addition to your normal Attack boon.

[chilly flume]

I did remap the dash to shoulder buttons, which helps

[latent moon]

Slap the pots that will heal up (glows green) or out dps him

[chilly flume]

But I have to dash to a direction and let go to before holding attack for it to auto aim

[rustic vale]

Bow is a rythm game

[chilly flume]

I'm old man

[high island]

Also check Wells of Charon for Cyclops Jerkies for more Attack damage.

[chilly flume]

Also I realised bow sucks with dionysius

[high island]

Dash > hold Attack > let go when it flashes.

Yeah, look for Heartbreak or Deadly Strike.

[rustic vale]

Become young man

Easy

[high island]

Age doesn't have much to do with it tbh, just a matter of practice.

[chilly flume]

Actually it feels more like

Direction you want to go > Dash > release direction quickly > hold attack and hope for auto aim > release it fast as hell > hold direction again so you can dash away > repeat

[high island]

And knowing how to build it to get damage.

[rustic vale]

Release it fast as hell?

[chilly flume]

It feels like the timing for quick crit is quite fast

[rustic vale]

I’m trying to think about when I play bow

it might be fast

[latent moon]

it do be like that

[high island]

You should aim in the general direction of your enemy for the aim assist to work well.

[twilit lodge]

I mean

[rustic vale]

It’s a skissue

[twilit lodge]

Dash is right next to attack

Just roll your thumb over one then the other

[rustic vale]

They remapped dash

[twilit lodge]

Pero but why

[rustic vale]

I

Idk

[chilly flume]

I'm confortable with all weapons, it's just the Bow that catches me a bit off my game

[twilit lodge]

But did you die

[rich gulch]

Being old makes me lose my teeth, which makes me unable to chew and ingest my snacks while playing , which makes me fatigued during my hellish runs through hell, which makes me die in ignoble ways #-7"- thus age is everything yet again.

[chilly flume]

As people said, having 10 wins under 40 is decent. It's just that I want to get how to play with bow as well

Took me a while to figure out cannon

[latent moon]

i skipped to the end and seems like he was about to die lmao

[high island]

Power Shot timing only seems fast at first because it's still pretty new and you haven't internalized the timing yet. You'll find it a lot more lenient with practice.

[twilit lodge]

Build showcase via losing

Respectable flex

I’ll give you this one

[rich gulch]

Ah yes, em4 will be fun with this.

[high island]

It's fine if not every shot is a Power Shot. Ideally you'll get there, but you don't need that kind of timing just to clear reliably with the bow.

[twilit lodge]

100 years

[latent moon]

it takes a bit for the quality to improve

last night it took like an hour or so for my video to go to 720p

[twilit lodge]

Sounds like si

[latent moon]

ski lift issue

[twilit lodge]

Who plays without the timer on

I need to be able to judge you from the very start of this video

[brisk trail]

who plays below 64 heat, I need to judge you from the very start of this video

[chilly flume]

WTF IS THAT LASER BEAM

I have no idea what this game can do

Jesus that was hype

[rich gulch]

Imagine playing a not-DOOM, not-Fromsoft game set in a very watered-down, PG version of Greek mythology...

Wouldn't be me.

[chilly flume]

I'm half drunk, that was straight up 4k

Is that a secret weapon?

I can't unlock any of them yet somehow

Or was that just a regular bow?

[rich gulch]

It's Zagreus's special sword.

[chilly flume]

What

[twilit lodge]

Nice cliffhanger at the end wth

[rich gulch]

If you get my drift.

[chilly flume]

What

[rich gulch]

You're better off ignoring me.

You'll need to try triple bomb with it first-

[acoustic bolt]

i missed the video 😦

[twilit lodge]

He’s peeing on the enemies

Here watch before it’s in 4k

https://youtu.be/olonPcmFRXs

[acoustic bolt]

the binding of zagreus

[rustic vale]

It’s special literally is the most viable part of it

[sour vigil]

Supersoaker Lucifer is fun

[rustic vale]

I don’t want any misinformation being spread to people who don’t know better which is why I say this

[acoustic bolt]

i was led to believe this was good dps

it's like...fine.

[cyan crown]

Fr

[acoustic bolt]

really need splitting bolt or deadly reversal or something

or rush. yeah rush or some other global scaling

[twilit lodge]

Based DF pfp

[rustic vale]

Dark Foresight pfp

[twilit lodge]

Dwarf fortress

[rustic vale]

[twilit lodge]

[rustic vale]

Time to go into an erebus with 3 hp

I either get the reward or I lose a dd

[acoustic bolt]

you should get the dps meter mod it'll show you how that wasn't that great

[twilit lodge]

Personally I would just not get hit

[old belfry]

when u get hit

[rustic vale]

Just like me then

[cyan crown]

Why does ppl have different ui in the game

[latent moon]

using it to activate the special bomb

[rustic vale]

Do you mean victory screens?

Or modded ui

[latent moon]

lmfao actually based

[cyan crown]

Yeah

[rustic vale]

You can start to buy them after getting your work orders tab finished off

[cyan crown]

Okay tysm

[twilit lodge]

SMH

[cyan crown]

U can mod ui's too??

[twilit lodge]

C1 and C2 boon room

[rustic vale]

I assume that’s a possibility

[twilit lodge]

But it’s ares c2

And I took Athena attack c1

[cyan crown]

Alr

[rustic vale]

I wouldn’t know but it’s probably possible idk if it’s been made

[twilit lodge]

Time to reset and do ME

[cyan crown]

There's sm in this game ngl

[latent moon]

the speedrun mod doesn't give you any new sort of ui

except like, 4 boon start options i guess

[rustic vale]

I think it’s likely possible to change your ui with a mod

[latent moon]

oh wait configuring the mod settings

[twilit lodge]

The chibis

[latent moon]

i mean it's nothing like

astounding

compared to the victory screens

[twilit lodge]

Someone suggest an aspect to do ME with

[latent moon]

arthur

[twilit lodge]

Go away

[latent moon]

[twilit lodge]

Okay fun

Fine

[latent moon]

good.

[twilit lodge]

SMH it was c3 and this time I got Artemis

[latent moon]

git gud

[twilit lodge]

The moment I have 4 boons pommable my doom stops showing up in the list :^) two Poms in a row

[cyan crown]

How many times should u pom ares atk if u r going for me

I-

Damn

[latent moon]

lmfao rip

it wont let you close the game until the game saves

so after you pick a boon from a menu

or enter a room, etc

[cyan crown]

.

[latent moon]

oh uh

as much as possible tbh

until you get impending doom

[cyan crown]

Okay

[latent moon]

and then start pomming that

a lvl 7 common doom = lvl 3 epic doom btw

[cyan crown]

Fr?-

[latent moon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1007734863186624562/1027808582911131668/output.png

yeah

[cyan crown]

Also whyd u ask me to pom arty atk once

[twilit lodge]

Because the first level of arty atk is the only one that gives much of a boost

[latent moon]

well i said 1 pom on arty atk is probably fine, but any after that is a waste

[cyan crown]

Doesn't it increase the crit chance

[latent moon]

no

[twilit lodge]

No

[cyan crown]

I see

[twilit lodge]

You wish

I wish

We all wish

[cyan crown]

Lmao

[latent moon]

the only poms on arty's boons that increase crit chance is pressure points and hunter's mark

[cyan crown]

What about Zeus atk

[latent moon]

most of your poms should be going to static discharge

[cyan crown]

Okay

[latent moon]

poms on zeus atk isn't bad if that's all you have atm

but should not be a priority ever

unless the other options are really terrible

[cyan crown]

Lmk what boons should be pommed once

[latent moon]

um

idk

[cyan crown]

Just arty

[latent moon]

idk any off the top of my head

just from arty?

[cyan crown]

Okay

[latent moon]

basically her atk, special, and cast should maybe only be pommed once

[cyan crown]

I see

[latent moon]

cast can maybe get like 2 or 3 i guess

hunter's dash is fine for a few poms as well

[cyan crown]

Oki

[rustic vale]

Flare?

[latent moon]

the call is good with poms

[latent moon]

same as cast tbh lmao

exit wounds exist i guess

a few poms into it are good against bosses if you're doing true shot pos sword

or just pos sword i guess

[twilit lodge]

Can you pom exit wounds?

[latent moon]

support fire is never worth it

[latent moon]

yeah

[twilit lodge]

I’ve never seen it in the list lmao

Gaming

[latent moon]

instinct is pretty bad so dont take that ever tbh

hide breaker is nice i guess but idk the pom scaling on that nor do i care

clean kill is fine probably

hunter's mark can use all the poms it can get tho

[rustic vale]

Lightning strike ain’t bad on gilgi right?

[latent moon]

prob not

gilga is like worse fists lmao

it's prob better for ME than others but zap and drunk fists are prob worse because it hits slower

[rustic vale]

It’s just

A zeus core

for my purposes

I’m not really sure what else to put on attack otherwise

[latent moon]

what purposes is this for lmao

[rustic vale]

since it isn’t going to be ME

[latent moon]

sea storm gilga?

[rustic vale]

Sea storm gilgs

[latent moon]

yeah then that's fair enough

[twilit lodge]

Put it on special for better t2

[latent moon]

could do anything else if you want to do pure sea storm tho lol

[rustic vale]

True!

But

[latent moon]

wait what

[rustic vale]

it’s a fast attack weapon

so

[rustic vale]

Lightning bolt t2 > chain lightning t2

[latent moon]

oh i see

damn i didn't realize high voltage and double strike didn't work on zeus strike

makes sense tho

i just didn't register that

[rustic vale]

Double strike chain lightning

[acoustic bolt]

static discharge

[latent moon]

every time an enemy attacks they take damage

poms scale pretty well on it

ofc common jolted sucks but 1 pom brings it to like lvl 1 epic or something

okay a bit less than epic

[rustic vale]

1 pom brings it to next rarity iirc

[latent moon]

but still a good jump

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1007734863186624562/1027812086853677107/output.png

a bit more than the next rarity

or like

the higher end of the rarity

[rustic vale]

Rarity still is preferable

[latent moon]

yeah ofc

that's with like everything lol

[rustic vale]

Way more preferable than other boons though

[latent moon]

aphro strike/flourish:

[rustic vale]

Like rarity on arctic blast or arte boons is like
Is nice but don’t really need it

Rarity on jolted is like huge

not necessary but still kinda huge

Y’know

[latent moon]

aphro strike being like 50 vs 70 vs 100 per rarity is so upsetting tho lmao

same with doom

and yeah poms help it a lot

but also

[rustic vale]

50-75-100

jolted is 60-90-120

Both cases are 1, 1.3-1.5,1.8-2.0,2.3-2.5

For rarity scaling from base

[latent moon]

[rustic vale]

Am

I missing something

I am prone to pulling 4 iq moves

[latent moon]

no lmao

it's just numbers go whoosh

[rustic vale]

This graph but it’s just dio boons so it’s literally just a straight like after first pom

[latent moon]

Lmfao

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1007734863186624562/1027813819470315560/output.png

heck yeah buddy

[rustic vale]

Gotta love that

I had 12 damage drunken strike on eris with low tolerance and curse of nausea and it was a free win

[latent moon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1007734863186624562/1027814205837025310/output.png

nasty dash is linear

this is so satisfying

[rustic vale]

hmm

Should I go for charon bag or a pom for my tidal dash

I think it’s pom ngl

I have at the moment
Lvl 0 tidal dash
+3 dashes gilga

and practically 0 obols

[latent moon]

i'd just not get anything

[twilit lodge]

Bananas you’re the worst

[rustic vale]

No

[twilit lodge]

Btw

[rustic vale]

My next room is pom

[latent moon]

it was your idea

[rustic vale]

I’m wondering if I greed charon bag or go next chamber into pom

[latent moon]

just go next chamber

this is tart right

[rustic vale]

Yeah

[latent moon]

you're prob gonna lose a dd there

and since this is gilga

you should probably want all the hp you can get for dad

[twilit lodge]

What heat is this?

[rustic vale]

32

[twilit lodge]

Rip

[latent moon]

oh lmfao

[rustic vale]

Only affects the pulsing

[latent moon]

pretty useless

[rustic vale]

pulsing gets bigger range and does +250% damage
Doesn’t matter too much because you’re instaexploding your bombs anyways

okg

[latent moon]

https://streamable.com/ssnayw

[rustic vale]

Why does tart

[latent moon]

this tho

[rustic vale]

Want me to get dio boons so bad

This is the third one

[latent moon]

lmfao

[rustic vale]

Alright game I’ll take drunken strike I’ll take your dio core

[latent moon]

lmfao

hey you might get exclusive access i think

tdash nasty strike?

[rustic vale]

Yup

[latent moon]

get it in tart end shop and get epic hermes lmao

[rustic vale]

I already have +3 dashes

[latent moon]

hyper delivery tho

also you're gonna need another pos core for sea storm

tdash dont work

[rustic vale]

Yes guaranteed hermes styx shop lmfao

[rustic vale]

I know

[latent moon]

always

100%

guarantee

[rustic vale]

I modded my switch exclusively to never see my beloved anvil ever again

[latent moon]

true

[rustic vale]

It’s all coming together now

I force zeus in asphodel

Get zeus call

Find tempest shot

[latent moon]

true

[rustic vale]

Get sea storm

find or force aphrodite

[twilit lodge]

Ruin your chances of good Hermes by getting Zeus call

[latent moon]

based

[rustic vale]

Get smair
Get low tolerance
get exclusive acced

Ez

[twilit lodge]

Aphrodite keepsake ely

Gaming

[rustic vale]

Aphrodite on gilgi special is gaming

Oh these chaos options

[acoustic bolt]

power couple ruined my gilgamesh splash dash sea storm second wave run

that was so silly

[latent moon]

that is a power couple moment

[rustic vale]

Maimed strike lmfao

[twilit lodge]

Power couple is ngl really annoying on mm

[acoustic bolt]

also i hate gilga the dash feels awful

[twilit lodge]

The shockwave always gets me

[rustic vale]

Smh

[latent moon]

i'd simply iframe the shockwave with meg

[twilit lodge]

My favorite part of gilga dash is how zag Naruto runs for a second

[cyan crown]

Do y'all switch to the duo thing in mirror whenever u r going for ME

[twilit lodge]

No because legacy is a scam

[rustic vale]

Nope

[cyan crown]

Okay okay

[latent moon]

speedrunners generally dont since ME benefits a lot from rarity from hermes and ares

[acoustic bolt]

chaos and hermes boon rarity is too important

[latent moon]

i do because i haven't seen ME in ages and i frankly couldn't care less about hermes lmao

[rustic vale]

Doom and impending doom rarity is also important

[twilit lodge]

Much better to use pride and still end up with common doom and impending

[latent moon]

exactly

[rustic vale]

that’s why you switch off dark foresight

Lvl 3 drunk strike or lvl 3 splash dash

[latent moon]

yes

[acoustic bolt]

drunk

actually i take tha tback

lvl 3 splash then drunk

[rustic vale]

I pretended to ask

I already took splash dash

[acoustic bolt]

cool

[twilit lodge]

Tidal Dash isn't so great? Are you kidding me? When was the last time you saw a dash with such an ability and utility? Tidal dash puts the game in another level, and we will be blessed if we ever see a strat with its power and enhancement of the game again. Divine Dash breaks records. Passion Dash breaks records. Tidal Dash breaks the rules. You can keep your statistics. I prefer the magic.

[rustic vale]

what can I say
6 dash tdash is gsming

[rustic vale]

Nooooo

[twilit lodge]

Ayo new cerby conversation out of the blue

[rustic vale]

Wait you can save scum eury right

[twilit lodge]

Y

I think you have to do your casts while she’s on screen for it to count

[latent moon]

yes

[rustic vale]

Lets go

Got the 1/3

[latent moon]

based

[rustic vale]

8 dash gilga

[twilit lodge]

Now just get ME and hold down dash+attack

Oh too late rip

[rustic vale]

I have drunk strike and tdash

Those are my only other boons

[twilit lodge]

You’re gonna need a better gaming chair

Imagine having to sell your dashes at the pool

[latent moon]

ngl you probably should've taken nectar for sea storm lol

[rustic vale]

I refuse to believe anything other then save scumming into heroic dashes was the play

[latent moon]

lmao okay buddy

[rustic vale]

buying an athena boon purely to sell for UC

[twilit lodge]

Get that purple

[rustic vale]

Common bronze skin

[twilit lodge]

Stonks

[rustic vale]

Ahhhhh

Em2 HS

Why do I have HS

Whyyyy

[twilit lodge]

Should have gotten sure footing

[rustic vale]

wasn’t an option

And I need my rerolls for UC

[twilit lodge]

Didn’t route good enough L

[latent moon]

did you get lernie taxed

[rustic vale]

Twice

but

Tbf

[latent moon]

i personally wouldn't have gotten lernie taxed

[rustic vale]

This run is now on pace with my current pb

[twilit lodge]

That’s a trap

[rustic vale]

wait

[twilit lodge]

My 32 was speed incarnate in tart and asphodel

But then ely and Styx chewed on the timer

What’s a railgun that wants spread fire? I still need it for the prophecy 💀

[rustic vale]

I just rerolled well
It went from
Drunken strike
Tdash
Greatest reflex

To
Drunken strike
Tdash
Greatest reflex

[rustic vale]

Zagreus

And spreadfire literally makes zag rail the best melee aspect in the game

[twilit lodge]

[rustic vale]

You think I’m selling my dashes? Why?

[twilit lodge]

Sorry I cursed you

[latent moon]

i mean just sell drunk strike

[rustic vale]

exactly

[twilit lodge]

Fair

[latent moon]

that's a chiron moment

[twilit lodge]

Twas Chiron

[rustic vale]

My bow pb rn

Is chiron

[twilit lodge]

Same

Chiron is very gaming

[rustic vale]

granted I was playing it like discount zag bow

[twilit lodge]

F the haters

[latent moon]

mine's zag bow lol

[latent moon]

the only right way to play chiron

[twilit lodge]

Discount zag bow that uses its special

[rustic vale]

If it was zag bow it literally would’ve been faster just on merit of it having the extra crit chance

[rustic vale]

I think I pressed the special button once
Or twice
I don’t remember

[twilit lodge]

Pero but like

Why

[latent moon]

meme run

[twilit lodge]

I guess

[rustic vale]

It’s literally a better bow as discount zag bow

I asked which aspect should I try to speedrun

I got told chiron

[twilit lodge]

[rustic vale]

So I speedran with chiron

[twilit lodge]

Spadrun*

[twilit lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/spdr-spiderdao-gif-19257354

Does chaos curse even trigger those?

[rustic vale]

Idk if chaos curse triggers those

Would be epic for ME cov holy shield

Or heavens vengeance

[lean timber]

chaos does not trigger revenge boons you have to take damage from an external source for those to work

self damage does not apply

[rustic vale]

Me when matty haves game knowledge I don’t 🔫

[twilit lodge]

Me when matty haves game knowledge I don’t 🙏 🙏 🤲

[lean timber]

you would be surprised on what i do and don't know

i know the most obscure of things, i am blind to the simplest of things

[twilit lodge]

Tell us more about your friend from college

[lean timber]

deez nuts gottem

[rustic vale]

Damn

RIP

[twilit lodge]

Oh fffuuuu

[lean timber]

i only remember my dreams if i wake up and go back to sleep for some reason

[rustic vale]

You are blind to everything

[lean timber]

i had dreams about girl i haven't seen in a while

[rustic vale]

Simp Matty 😳

[twilit lodge]

The girl in question

[rustic vale]

You can’t have over 100% healing reduction

guan-yu merely reduces your max hp

since healing is based on your max hp it does effectively half all healing but

[cyan crown]

Does upgraded rarity affect duo boons as well?

[rustic vale]

not the same

[cyan crown]

Man I'm so tired of finding ME

Its like impossible

[rustic vale]

Upgraded rarity from chaos or from yarn /eury nectar yes

[cyan crown]

Bruh ares just gave me the Zeus ares duo rn wtf

[cyan crown]

I have the yarn

[latent moon]

Chaos doesn't reduce healing?

[cyan crown]

Ok imma keep searching

[rustic vale]

The only thing that does healing reduction is pact of punishment

Everything else is max hp reduction

Nope

Reduces max hp

just like guan yu

[latent moon]

Literally this

[rustic vale]

I am quite literally

Correct

🧠🧠🧠

[twilit lodge]

Imagine

[rustic vale]

Just like always

[twilit lodge]

Don’t open up duos you don’t want

[rustic vale]

I’ven’t ever been wrong

[twilit lodge]

So for instance, don’t take revenge boons with Zeus and ares

[rustic vale]

That is literally because

It halves your max hp

[twilit lodge]

Owned the libs

Look who took damage in an Erebus gate

[rustic vale]

So with all due respect

I’ven’t ever been wrong

Easy way to prove this is buying the charon well item that restores 10% per chamber when you have guan-yu but no lc on

[latent moon]

Hearts only give 12 so it reduces max hp

[latent moon]

If it was healing it'd still be 25

[twilit lodge]

Is it

[latent moon]

Good thing the spin for gy takes forever to charge

And good thing cursed slash reduces your hp by 60%

[twilit lodge]

Draining Cutter with Talos is the only time I’ve ever had much healing

That and stubborn roots with sd

[cyan crown]

I have 5 ambrosia rn what aspect should i upgrade

[latent moon]

This is literally why special spam gy is stronger than building the spin lmao

[rustic vale]

The halving your healing is because your max hp is halved

[twilit lodge]

You mean blood?

[rustic vale]

I will literally hop into a guan-yu run to get evidence rn

[cyan crown]

Yeah

[twilit lodge]

I mean

[latent moon]

Literally easiest way is picking up a centaur heart

[twilit lodge]

Hammers aren’t very competitive for talos

[latent moon]

Breaching

[rustic vale]

Breaching
Heavy knuckle,
Long knuckle

[twilit lodge]

1% lifesteal would be broken if it wasn’t on a below-mid move

[latent moon]

Lmao

Gy spin sucks without quick spin

[twilit lodge]

But literally the only lifesteal in the game is tied to a terrible move

So

[rustic vale]

Why spoiler all?

[latent moon]

The only one that's probably remotely fine is draining cutter lol
Literally because it's not harmful and using the special is natural on dem fists

[rustic vale]

You are blind

[twilit lodge]

Apparently

I’m looking at these words but I’m not reading them

Somehow

[latent moon]

The downside of draining cutter is that it wasted a hammer slot lol

[twilit lodge]

It’s a talent I’ve acquired through tireless practice

And guan yu wastes an aspect slot

Gottem

[latent moon]

I mean the guan Yu spin is useless except with quick spin so it's also hammer reliant

I guess between waves it works

But also

Whatever

All the life steal options in this game aren't that great

[rustic vale]

how gaming is splash dash on guan-yu?

[latent moon]

It's fine

Nothing wrong with it

Why

[rustic vale]

Just wondering if I should buy pos in tart for it

I have aphro strike arte flourish rn

[latent moon]

I mean sure I guess go ahead

[rustic vale]

wait

Nooo

[twilit lodge]

Get mirage shot and play it as a castspect

[rustic vale]

I missed

[twilit lodge]

Quit and reload

[rustic vale]

bought a pom instead

[latent moon]

That's not too bad

[twilit lodge]

Oh guess you can’t if it’s a Pom

Mini Pom you would be able to

Where the guan yu proof tho

[rustic vale]

I’m 90% that’s no it halving the hp you gain
That’s it halving the max hp you gain
Because it’s not really healing
It’s increasing your max and adding health were there wasn’t any before

I think

I can read it

[latent moon]

Halves your max hp, centaur heart increases max hp so that's why it only gives 12

[rustic vale]

Exactly

That’s what I said

It doesn’t make charon well item give 5% of your max hp

and it doesn’t make the other healing items give less % of your max hp either

[latent moon]

Don't you also still get 3 healing per chamber with guan yu

[rustic vale]

Yup

The game is literally not telling you the truth then

[latent moon]

So it definitely doesn't reduce healing

[twilit lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/braille-reading-gif-3542372

All of us rn

Can’t even read words

[latent moon]

The healing numbers you see are smaller literally because you have a lot less hp lol

[high island]

You'd only need Quick Spin for very high heat.

[rustic vale]

We aren’t on drugs is what

[latent moon]

I mean have you actually used it

[rustic vale]

You seem to not be picking up what I’m putting down

[latent moon]

Also it wouldn't be the first time the game isn't clear with wording

[twilit lodge]

It’s not like the in game text has ever lied before

[rustic vale]

there is still the issue of not having halve max hp then

[latent moon]

The wording for parting shot is weird

[rustic vale]

Literally just run cthonic vitality

[latent moon]

Yeah I was about to say

[rustic vale]

You’ll be able to tell immediately

[twilit lodge]

Just do 50 Hp guan yu and 50 Hp non guan yu and see how much cthonic vitality heals you

Yeah that

I was busy fighting autocorrect lmao

Chronic vitality

[rustic vale]

That isn’t the same

Well

It is until you pick up first centuar heart

Or darkness room

[latent moon]

Cthonic vitality heals like 2 hp at lc2, which is the equivalent of guan Yu "healing reduction"

[rustic vale]

While with guan yu

It heals 3

[latent moon]

Literally just use that strat it's much faster and easier

And reliable

[rustic vale]

You have to prove it before you pick up any darkness or centaur heart
So run cthonic vitality to see c1

it will be the same

[twilit lodge]

Does cv heal if you’re full?

[rustic vale]

I mispoke earlier

[latent moon]

No

[twilit lodge]

Get hit in c1

[rustic vale]

Just take a hit in c1

I will

[twilit lodge]

Every time 64 is wrong, take a hit

Pass out in 5 minutes

[rustic vale]

I have

All the proof I need

Give me a seocnd

[twilit lodge]

Times up

[rustic vale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/795659377755422742/1027844226173640725/IMG_2305.mov

Boom

[twilit lodge]

Hand reveal

[rustic vale]

@dire plaza

check this out

Wait I didn’t show me using guan yu in the clip it’s just zag walking

[twilit lodge]

[rustic vale]

Discord

Does not want to give me the media link

This might take me a minute or however long discord decides to take

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/795659377755422742/1027844888764629032/IMG_2307.mov

Anyways my time is dead because I forgot to pause a lot while messing with my phone

I’ve lost at least a minute or so

But proof is worth 👍

[twilit lodge]

Just give up and never play gy again

[rustic vale]

You can see it go up by 3 and not by 2

Because guan-yu doesn’t halve healing

It halves max hp

which effectively halves healing from 99% of sources

[twilit lodge]

Also even if it did cut your healing in half

Lc4 multiplies it by 0

So the original thought process of gy + lc4 making healing items damage you is way wrong

[latent moon]

Life steal goes through lc4 btw lol

The life steal options are still bad if you're doing lc4 tho

[rustic vale]

I literally just sent a video

[rustic vale]

This one

[twilit lodge]

Language moment

[rustic vale]

Always gotta love those messages from dyno

really tells you alot about a person

wait wtf

[twilit lodge]

Seems like sandwiches and cv don’t behave the same

[latent moon]

Man I love it when the game is inconsistent

[rustic vale]

That is really odd because well items aren’t halved on top of the max hp nerf and neither are other sources of healing

[twilit lodge]

Now turn on lc4 and see if the sandwiches hurt you

[latent moon]

Lmao

[twilit lodge]

Also feather duster tier list ranking in shambles now that it’s even worse for one aspect

[latent moon]

Other sources of healing work fine but not food items very cool game

[rustic vale]

0%*-50% != -50%

[vital tapir]

yes it is

[rustic vale]

What

Am I high

[latent moon]

No lmao

You're literally multiplying by 0

[rustic vale]

Anyways I know healing is multiplicative because of nourish soul

It’s not additive

[vital tapir]

it should be ngl

[rustic vale]

It’s multiplicative unless the game is inconsistent between nourished soul guan-yu and lc4

[vital tapir]

anyway chat will be pleased to know i did my first 32 heat spear as guan yu earlier (first try)

[latent moon]

Very nice

[rustic vale]

Which it very well could be inconsistent as we just saw guan-yu being inconsistent about healing earlier

[vital tapir]

it’s actually a fun aspect (when you get the right hammers (and the right gods (and good rooms)))

[twilit lodge]

Sandwich heals for 3 on my 15hp guan yu lmao

[latent moon]

Speedrunning with guan Yu so I can play it less

[rustic vale]

it’s not +-150%

Nor is it *-150%

You had a double brain fart

[vital tapir]

guan yu healing should just have a 50% chance to damage instead

[latent moon]

70*150% is 105 lol

[rustic vale]

0% healing *50%=0

[latent moon]

I mean

Same thing

Add a negative sign

[rustic vale]

It’s not 70*-150%

It’s 70-100%/2

0/2=0

[lean timber]

actually 0/2 is infinity

[rustic vale]

No it isnmg

It isn’t additive

it’s multiplicative as to where 0*50%=0

Wait maybe I’m wrong

I also haven’t slept in very many hours

[latent moon]

I mean lc4 exists

[twilit lodge]

Ok so

[latent moon]

So whatever

[rustic vale]

ok so

[twilit lodge]

Who’s ready for more inconsistency

[rustic vale]

I’m right you’re wroung

[lean timber]

i'm ready to kill myself reading all this

[rustic vale]

[latent moon]

Mood

[rustic vale]

Lets go just like me playing discount zag bow

Not all healing

I literally have video evidence

[twilit lodge]

The sandwiches aren’t even based on your max hp

[rustic vale]

I sent it earlier

[lean timber]

IT DOES NOT. IT REDUCES YOUR HP BY 50% LEARN HOW PERCENTAGES WORK

[latent moon]

That's still wrong lmfao we just established it is inconsistent

[rustic vale]

@dire plaza watch this real quick

[lean timber]

this is quite phenomenal

[rustic vale]

Look at the hp number as I hit the next chamber

[latent moon]

It gives 12

[rustic vale]

Centaur hearts do only give you 12 on guan-yu

[latent moon]

Centaur hearts give 12 with guan Yu

[lean timber]

Jesus.

[latent moon]

I've said that like 4 times now

[rustic vale]

That’s because it gives you the same amount of hp as is does max ho

[lean timber]

the most ridiculous thing i've ever walked in on. i'm leaving now

[twilit lodge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/997466907030605934/1027849586892607538/IMG_3458.jpg

[latent moon]

Cthonic vitality

[rustic vale]

You would know that if you ran lc4 centaur hearts give the samw amount of hp healed as max hp given

[twilit lodge]

Frfr

[rustic vale]

Watch the damn video

[twilit lodge]

On god

[rustic vale]

Wait wrong person

[lean timber]

you're posting links too fast.

[rustic vale]

Watch the damn video

[twilit lodge]

Apparently I’m posting links too fast

[latent moon]

You didn't watch the video did you

[twilit lodge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/997466907030605934/1027849593637056582/IMG_3459.jpg

[rustic vale]

He didn’t watch the video

[latent moon]

This is a bruh moment

[lean timber]

bruh moment

[rustic vale]

Also sandwiches proven to not heal based on max hp or heal %

So

[latent moon]

Bruh lmfao

[rustic vale]

64 heat

What say

About this?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/795659377755422742/1027844888764629032/IMG_2307.mov

[lean timber]

i'm going to forcibly revoke your chad pfp you don't deserve it

[rustic vale]

you’re literally high with that lther message then

This one

That explicitly doesn’t

always

[high island]

https://tenor.com/view/cutie-peachy-peach-kitty-gif-22799384

[twilit lodge]

Those two pics are guan yu level 1 but with and without thick skin

[lean timber]

LISTEN TO ME CAREFULLY.

[rustic vale]

[rustic vale]

Nevermind then

[latent moon]

That's literally what we've been saying and you've been ignoring

[rustic vale]

This is funny

[twilit lodge]

I’m going to bed

[lean timber]

yk what nvm idc anymore

i hate you all now

[latent moon]

Good

[twilit lodge]

Ima let y’all have this fun instead of me

Because I’m generous

[lean timber]

nope i'm done too

[rustic vale]

No I wanted to be the only one who matty hates

[lean timber]

STOP TALKING ABOUT GUAN YU.

[rustic vale]

It’s literally only for the sandwiches though? Unless you can prove elsewhere that it halves other hp gain

[twilit lodge]

But it does mean that guan yu’s healing reduction doesn’t affect everything

[latent moon]

The point now is that healing is inconsistent with guan Yu

[rustic vale]

Where else does it apply other than sandwiches

[twilit lodge]

The next person to say guan yu is getting banned

[latent moon]

There's a literal list of bugs that exist that won't be fixed so have fun with that

[rustic vale]

Where? It doesn’t apply to centaur hearts those already heal for the same amount of max hp as they give

Charon well items

[latent moon]

Actually just because it says 10% does it actually give 10% or 5% because it wouldn't be the first time the game lied

Chaos vitality boons say like +71 or whatever but when you get the actual HP from chaos it's half of that

[rustic vale]

No

It’s be 75% at that point

it isn’t additive

We went over this

[lean timber]

God learn math. return to middle school. i beg you

[latent moon]

A lot of things in this game should be a different way and yet here we are

[rustic vale]

It works based on max hp (for the most part)
And healing %s are multiplicative not additive for the love of god

[high island]

What is up with that tone?

[rustic vale]

[latent moon]

Lmao

[twilit lodge]

Maddyboi

[latent moon]

True

[rustic vale]

Mad e-boi

🧠

[latent moon]

Oh god lmao

[lean timber]

[high island]

1. Be kind. This is an international, diverse community whose common ground is an interest in our games. As a member of this community, we expect you to contribute to an environment where everyone feels welcome and included. Be accepting and respectful. Avoid being inflammatory.

[latent moon]

I see you missed the part where shackle and I got called "oafs"

[lean timber]

if i feel the need to reference the rules i'm capable of pulling the tab out myself

thank you though

[rustic vale]

I seem to have missed it too

[latent moon]

lmfao

[lean timber]

incredible. absolutely phenomenal

there it is

well done

[latent moon]

Here

[rustic vale]

Ah yes

[high island]

I mean the rule applies to everyone involved.

[rustic vale]

I am involved

[latent moon]

For the record I have not insulted anyone

If I get banned or muted this is nepotism

[rustic vale]

For the record I may have insulted people I can’t remember

[twilit lodge]

For the record

[lean timber]

i have insulted people

[twilit lodge]

Guan Eww is terrible anyway

[rustic vale]

Lies and slander

[lean timber]

guan yeezy

[latent moon]

Yeah I was there

[rustic vale]

Guan-deez

[lean timber]

YOOOOO

[twilit lodge]

If it’s a spear and it’s not Achilles

Does it even matter

[lean timber]

*hades

[latent moon]

If it's a spear does it even matter

[rustic vale]

Aspectless spear moment

[twilit lodge]

Goodbye forever matty

[lean timber]

whar

[latent moon]

Get banned

[rustic vale]

Matty informing us of his location

[twilit lodge]

You have been chosen for the purge

[lean timber]

my reaction to that information

[twilit lodge]

[rustic vale]

My reaction to that information

[twilit lodge]

Mods

Reinstall

[rustic vale]

It’s not a bug it’s a feature

[twilit lodge]

Save quit and reload

[rustic vale]

Take the free heat

Don’t complain

[lean timber]

modded gaming strikes again!!

[rustic vale]

Watch it be the dreaded lc5

[twilit lodge]

Turn them all to max and then back down to 0

Turn them all the max and then play the run

[rustic vale]

Haven’t got the 1 heat bounty on spear smh

“Corrupted” as if free heat is an issue

[lean timber]

you realize you can only do 64 right

[rustic vale]

become the 65 heat gamer you were always meant to be

[lean timber]

ok then turn on personal liability

go ahead and max the heat and see how far it goes

[twilit lodge]

Other than the one you used to give yourself 300k gemstones¿

[lean timber]

mmm gemstones

[high island]

You can use their contact form on their website to report bugs, but don't expect them to fix any bugs that aren't gamebreaking, at this point. https://www.supergiantgames.com/contact/

[rustic vale]

Wait you can do 64 heat on your normal file what a gamer

[twilit lodge]

https://imgur.com/zZdCIxs

Alexa how do I get 370 nectar without mods

[rustic vale]

What in the heck

[latent moon]

I mean personal liability isn't the 1 heat that's gonna screw you over in a 64 heat run tbh, it's gonna be like cp2 and ri4

[lean timber]

pl very easily could be what screws you lol

[lean timber]

what is the significance of this image

[latent moon]

I mean yeah but consistency wise