h1-discussion

[twilit lodge]

I think the fact that they exist is why a lot of people think attack buffs are separate

[latent moon]

yeah chaos assault does 30-40%, lunge does 30-60%

both are good picks tho tbh, not worth trying to reroll if you get one of them

[snow skiff]

you know assault is fiery presence right

[latent moon]

oh

um

is it just strike then lmao

[snow skiff]

yea

[latent moon]

welp strike is the same damage buff lmao

[ancient crest]

I know it’s obvious but Chaos dash strike bonuses are super good for Nemesis

[snow skiff]

Hunter dash 😈

[twilit lodge]

Never seen the heart dialogue icon before

Meg pulled me into my room for things

C10 scintillating feast trippy Hera

Leggo

[twilit lodge]

C44 mirage gaming

[lean timber]

perfect time for it i guess

[shadow pivot]

Do you guys usually start your runs with a build in mind and use a boon keepsake? Lately I've been enjoying the game more taking +gold or +maxlife keepsake and then leaving it up to chance what I get. Thoughts?

[lean timber]

yes of course

[shadow pivot]

Yes of course what lol

[lean timber]

yes of course you use a god keepsake

for casual gameplay randomness is a good experiment but most people choose to try to find certain gods

usually your keepsake tree goes god 1 -> god 2 -> bone hourglass/tooth -> sigil of the dead/acorn

[shadow pivot]

I've never used hourglass tbh

[twilit lodge]

Final Expense (Payback Mix) goes hard

[raw herald]

If that’s the way you enjoy it more, continue to do that

At the end of the day it’s your game

[twilit lodge]

Dusa confirmed yaoi fan girl

[lean timber]

i turn it on as soon as i get in the houst most days

house

[lean timber]

hourglass and sigil are more or less "niche" in the sense that most people outside of speedrunners or high heat runners don't use them because they don't have a whole lot of overall benefit

[high island]

Hourglass not a whole lot of overall benefit?

Wut?

[lean timber]

nyaa on her way to immediately counteract and pick apart everything i say

for a casual it's not great. you find a max of four wells in the time you find it, and the timed items aren't great unless you have a specific run/goal in mind

[high island]

It's amazing for both damage and survivability.

[shadow pivot]

Tbh I dont often get things from well of charon, the fact they have encounter limits is kinda lame so I pass it up in favor of saving gold
But then again I'm still low enough heat (around 13 rn) that I still smoke through each encounter without worrying about +dmg

[latent moon]

the hourglass helps a lot with the encounter limits

[raw herald]

Hourglass op (no bias)

[latent moon]

also the benefit of just helping you through rooms and boss fights is nice

[high island]

If you're saving for the bounty in Styx shop, then you don't have a reason to take the Hourglass, yeah.

[raw herald]

However I very rarely take it in styx

[high island]

Otherwise I'd say it's pretty easily the best overall keepsake for Elysium tbh.

[shadow pivot]

What I dont like about starting runs with a boon keepsake is that 1. It's lame to try for the same build over and over, mixing it up is fun) and 2. You start off with one god and never really get the ability to go deep into them
Like if you start and get zeus, you can nab a couple zeus boons in tartarus then force more zeus by using the keepsake. If you started with zeus you might never see zeus again, right?

[latent moon]

i mean, even if you do naturally find zeus in tart and force him again in aspho, you might still only get 1 boon out of him the whole run

i guess 2 then

and nothing's stopping you from using different gods' keepsakes at the start of a run with different weapons

[high island]

When you've picked up boons from 4 gods, you'll only see boons from those 4 for the rest of the run unless you force another with a keepsake. So the odds of not seeing Lord Zeus again are really low actually if he's already in your pool.

[high island]

Yeah, the more you use it, the more you realize how strong it is.

[twilit lodge]

Not prepared for how bad hades spear is wow

[twilit lodge]

First song purchase and I’m glad I lucked out

[high island]

Hades spear is fun.

[twilit lodge]

Lost 3 DDs before Elysium lmao

Gave up cuz it wasn’t gonna work

Doesn’t help that there was no attack boon in c1

[hardy spear]

man who couldve known 50 heat was going to be hard

[latent moon]

man who could've thunk

[hardy spear]

ive gotten out of tartarus twice in like 10 attempts

[latent moon]

lmao what aspect and pact

[hardy spear]

at first hestia

and ri2

[lean timber]

50 heat isn't hard, actually it's quite simple. you just enable pacts that total 50 heat

playing 50 heat is the hard part

[hardy spear]

im not good enough to actually play it yet calm down

[lean timber]

i'm i'm messing around man

i'm not good enough either, i never could beat the damn thing even after 30 or so attempts

[hardy spear]

thick skin my beloved

[sly ridge]

my funny em4 run is not going very well

i am very bad at using lucifer

[hardy spear]

i tried taking off ri2 and putting it to ri1 with some hs and cp shenanigans instead and found it a bit better

[latent moon]

this is why we don't use em4 lmao

[sly ridge]

im only in asphodel

[hardy spear]

[latent moon]

oh lmfao

[sly ridge]

i havent gotten a single hammer

[latent moon]

what's the rest of the pact looking like?

[hardy spear]

lemme try remember

uhh

usual hl5 lc4 cf2 jazz

js1 or 2 maybe?

[sly ridge]

i have not struggled this much with the bone hydra

in ages

[hardy spear]

other usual high heat stuff uhh
dc0

em3

hs

[sly ridge]

question

why do people call the hyrda lernie

[hardy spear]

play the game more to find out

[lean timber]

because it's lernaean

it's like alolan raichu or whatever, that's its region

so zag just shortens it

[hardy spear]

zag just starts calling it lernie

they buddies like that

[lean timber]

who's lernie

[hardy spear]

when is lernie

[swift inlet]

I never understood that

[latent moon]

are you playing modded?

[sly ridge]

ok yeah i just lost a dd on the bone hydra

[hardy spear]

nope. console.

[latent moon]

ah rip

[sly ridge]

this run is not going well at all

[lean timber]

lernie tax always comes through

[lean timber]

YEAAAAAAHHH

[high island]

Everyone always asks who is Learnie.

[hardy spear]

how

[sly ridge]

literally all of the hydra heads

shoot magma

[high island]

No one asks how is Lernie.

[hardy spear]

outplayed

[sly ridge]

on the right side

[latent moon]

lernie's dead

[lean timber]

skill issue

[lean timber]

lerneez nuts

lol

[sly ridge]

i have nowhere safe to stand

[lean timber]

then dash

[latent moon]

@hardy spear how do you feel about ap2 on hestia lmao

[hardy spear]

already doing that man

[latent moon]

aight

[lean timber]

nightmare

[latent moon]

legit only 2 heat points left to add and since you can't toggle hell mode it's gotta go into js and/or cp lmfao

[hardy spear]

going into meg with epic nourished soul and curse of vengeance

[high island]

Still more often than speedruns.

[latent moon]

and it's js1 and cp1 rn

unless ri2

[lean timber]

why not both?

[latent moon]

because cp2 sucks

but so does js3

[sly ridge]

another question

what are gates of erebus

[lean timber]

sorry restricted info

[hardy spear]

i was pressed for time with js3 sometimes

[high island]

Gates that lead in and out of Erebus.

[latent moon]

cp2 aint' gonna help either lmao

[sly ridge]

yeah but what do you do in erebus

[lean timber]

wait

[latent moon]

kill

[lean timber]

for eternity

KILL

[hardy spear]

kil 👍

[latent moon]

the other option is em4 lmao

and hestia is a safe aspect so it might not be too bad?

[hardy spear]

no.

.

[latent moon]

lmao fair

[sly ridge]

i honestly wann know

what are the downsides to lucifer

[lean timber]

you're shooting a freakin angelic laser there are no downsides

[rustic vale]

No clockets

[sly ridge]

does that mean cluster rockets

[rustic vale]

yes

[high island]

Slow startup, no +75% damage.

[latent moon]

the ramp up is kinda unfortunate and having to reload as well, but also eternal chamber removes the ramp up, which actually does considerable damage

[rustic vale]

but lucifer bombs are big anyways

You just aren’t shotggunning

[lean timber]

i was told that eternal is almost never the way to go

but i don't run rail

[hardy spear]

i only run rail

[lean timber]

i only rail

[rustic vale]

~~Also no spreadfire luci ~~

[sly ridge]

all i really have for offense rn

is using tempest strike to ram enemies into walls

[lean timber]

brrrrruuuu

brrrr

b

[high island]

No Delta Chamber for Lucifer either.

[swift inlet]

who cares about the rampup damage when it's drowning in splash dash art triple bomb zeus spam

[latent moon]

taking eternal first allows a better chance of getting triple bomb but yeah you're right lol

[hardy spear]

super soaker

[rustic vale]

Upside of rail are only has 9 hammers so super easy to get triple bomb

[rustic vale]

Can also take concentrated for same results

[latent moon]

yeah

[lean timber]

why do you want triple bomb on lucifer

why don't you want clockets

[latent moon]

[lean timber]

[hardy spear]

just get the hammers

[rustic vale]

3*100 damage explosion 🧠

[sly ridge]

ok so the hammer

[lean timber]

the hammer

🔨

[sly ridge]

i got flash fire, targetting system, and triple beam

[lean timber]

huge L

those suck

[rustic vale]

[lean timber]

(i don't have the faintest clue if they're good or not)

[high island]

Eternal Chamber is nice. It's not my first choice, but the aspect imo has the best hammer balance overall. Sure, Triple Bomb is the best, but all of the other hammers are good, too.

[sly ridge]

this is my first hammer too💀

[hardy spear]

flash fire and targeting system are both decent choices iirc

[latent moon]

triple beam shortens the range doesn't it

[high island]

Eternal gives you one thing less to worry about.

[latent moon]

but it's still a good pick?

[sly ridge]

whats wrong with triple super soaker tho

[latent moon]

the issue is that it's super soaker

[sly ridge]

hows that an issue

[hardy spear]

[lean timber]

brrrr

brrrrruuuu

[rustic vale]

🧠

[rustic vale]

Because then it isn’t MEcifer /s

[sly ridge]

fr though what do i pick

[latent moon]

the ramp up takes a while to go up but then when it does get up, tempest strike has the lowest % modifier. the only thing you've got going is wall slams

[latent moon]

lightning strike

[rustic vale]

And hoping for sea storm

[sly ridge]

im talking about the hammer

[latent moon]

oh

[hardy spear]

why dont you just play the game and experiment

[rustic vale]

true

[latent moon]

targetting system i think

[sly ridge]

im experimenting with what the people pick

[rustic vale]

Also:
Blizzard blades talos isn’t really bad I tried it yesterday

[lean timber]

i targeted your mom lol

[rustic vale]

it’s fine

[lean timber]

• ratio

[latent moon]

what heat lmao

[rustic vale]

Uhhhh

[sly ridge]

just for the funny im picking triple beam

[rustic vale]

It may have been speedrun heat

[hardy spear]

there is a missile targeted at your heat signature

[rustic vale]

It was likely speedrun heat

[lean timber]

14 right?

[latent moon]

i mean the thing is with "off meta builds" is that it's very possible for them to work at low heat lmao

[rustic vale]

It was painful because no hunting blades slice shot is

But it was also fun

[hardy spear]

nah 64 because 64m/s is faster thab 14

[rustic vale]

True I should’ve tried it higher tbh

[hardy spear]

once i beat 50 heat maybe i should raise my bow heat which is at like 2

oh actually its 3

[rustic vale]

But I have a skissue for doing high heat gaming I need to get used to lc4 quick

[sly ridge]

bruh lucifer's beam cant even hit soul catchers

[rustic vale]

Wdym

[hardy spear]

really?

[sly ridge]

i was shooting at a soul catcher

and it phased right through it

[rustic vale]

They can though

[sly ridge]

i cant shoot the butterflies either

[rustic vale]

Was it miniboss soul catcher?

[latent moon]

what if the damage is so low that it doesn't look like it lmao

[latent moon]

yeah luci can't get rid of those

[sly ridge]

no

[latent moon]

the actual ball tho you should be able to hit

[rustic vale]

Rail doesn’t break projectiles

[sly ridge]

the butterflies count as projectiles???

[rustic vale]

what else would they be

[latent moon]

traps

[sly ridge]

idk like the vermin in styx

[hardy spear]

i did not know this until now after 35 wins and 45 heat

[rustic vale]

HS

[latent moon]

i mean those have an actual health bar lol

it's just so low that anything can one shot them for the most part

[rustic vale]

ddash in shambles

[latent moon]

1 ammo from luci (with no modifiers) probably wont 1 shot but idrk

[latent moon]

ddash kills them

[hardy spear]

even frozen touch?

[rustic vale]

What

[latent moon]

when i used to always use ddash it killed them

[hardy spear]

14 damage

huge

[latent moon]

dem chill revenge boon?

[rustic vale]

I can’t think of anything that deals less than ddash but I’ve definitely seen them not die

[hardy spear]

yeah

[latent moon]

does that thing even do damage lmao

[hardy spear]

like 20

[latent moon]

so it should probably kill

[sly ridge]

after i die this run im gonna try rama on em4

[latent moon]

how much does 1 luci tick do

[hardy spear]

frozen touch best boon

[sly ridge]

without godmode this time

[latent moon]

have fun lmao

[rustic vale]

10 before scaling or modifiers

[latent moon]

yeah so that does less lmao

[rustic vale]

Good luck👍

You can do it 👍

[hardy spear]

what does the least damage

crystal beam tick?

[rustic vale]

Drunken dash with no poms?

[hardy spear]

huh

is that 5?

[sly ridge]

oh god

[rustic vale]

is like 3 at common rarity with no poms

[hardy spear]

massive

[sly ridge]

big butterfly ball chamber

[latent moon]

i mean it's 3 per tick

how times does it tick

[rustic vale]

Gaming

[latent moon]

hangover lasts a few seconds right

[rustic vale]

8 w/out CoN

[sly ridge]

butterfly ball chamber

[rustic vale]

but the first tick won’t kill

[latent moon]

nasty dash does some damage then lmao

[hardy spear]

butterfly miniboss actually my favourite

[rustic vale]

Oh true

[latent moon]

yeah it's so easy lmao

[sly ridge]

yeah im screwed

[latent moon]

with meg*

[hardy spear]

yeah

[rustic vale]

I used to use cp2 before I discover the wonders of fo2

[sly ridge]

i dont have anything to get rid of the butterflies

[latent moon]

i mean yeah but with meg it makes it so much more easier

[hardy spear]

sometimes i beat it before any dudes spawn

[rustic vale]

You don’t need to destroy the butterflies

[hardy spear]

or hesty apparently

[rustic vale]

just need to kill everything before it kills you

[sly ridge]

i cant even attack the ball without getting hit by them

[hardy spear]

special

[rustic vale]

Luci

They’re running super soaker

I believe

[sly ridge]

tempest strike, slicing cast, heartbreak flourish

[latent moon]

no sea storm moment

[sly ridge]

only triple beam

[latent moon]

wasn't hitless smh

[sly ridge]

the beams cant even hit the butterflies

[latent moon]

doubtful unless they're already stuck in a corner and then it's just wall slam time lmao

how polite

[sly ridge]

"dumbass"

[hardy spear]

dont target the butterflies just walk away

[sly ridge]

as i get stunned via butterfly horde

and how do you want me to kill the soul catcher

[latent moon]

ddash gets rid of the butterflies, idk about other damaging dashes tho

[hardy spear]

ive never had problems with butterfly balls idk

[sly ridge]

i dont have a boon on my dash

why wouldnt i

[latent moon]

ngl part of the reason is super soaker has abysmal dps and requires a good charge up or sea storm to actually deal good damage

[sly ridge]

i dont have enough keys rn

[hardy spear]

so for hesty 50 heat what keepsake should i use first

poseidon right?

[raw herald]

Unmodded?

[hardy spear]

yep

[raw herald]

I take shackle

[latent moon]

yeah was gonna say

[hardy spear]

huh

havent thought of that

[raw herald]

Just hope you get a decent enough attack boon before elysium

(Any rarity aphro/arty, rare+ the others)

[latent moon]

or go completely hitless lol

[hardy spear]

just get the boons

[hardy spear]

im taking minimum 300 damage every room to traps alone

[raw herald]

Or just reset for ap2 epic heartbreak strike

[rustic vale]

Walking into lernie fight with maimed shot hera, 4 hp, 1dd and a drsM

[latent moon]

well maybe dont hit the traps lol

[hardy spear]

another genius suggestion

[latent moon]

np

[hardy spear]

gotta write this knowledge down

[hardy spear]

resetting unmodded is more painful than trying to escape hell

[raw herald]

Yeah lol

Less painful at high heat tho

In anyheat it’s so boring

[rustic vale]

Nooo

Rip

[hardy spear]

me watching the wringer grab me 12 consecutive times before i go into the death animation

and then hades laughs at me

do you understand how humiliating that is

[sly ridge]

i lost all my dd

[rustic vale]

no

[hardy spear]

just no?

[rustic vale]

yes

[sly ridge]

but i won against the butterfly ball

with 31 health left

[rustic vale]

Based now find patroclus

[hardy spear]

get the rooms

[rustic vale]

Ez

Just find him

[sly ridge]

i should not have done this for an ares boon

[rustic vale]

It’s the simple it’s not rng reliant at all

[rustic vale]

Facts

[sly ridge]

battle rage, urge to kill, and black metal

which one

[rustic vale]

oh that is

Sad

[sly ridge]

all of them are rares

[hardy spear]

what rarities

[latent moon]

battle rage is the % bonus to atk special and cast right

[hardy spear]

oh

[sly ridge]

yes

[latent moon]

probably battle rage ngl lmao

[sly ridge]

wait i was wrong

[latent moon]

unless you want to sell black metal for stonks

[hardy spear]

i thought it was next hit after a kill gets extra damage

[sly ridge]

battle rage is the one that makes the next attack do more

[latent moon]

oh

[rustic vale]

I was about to say

[hardy spear]

youre thinking of urge to kill

[sly ridge]

after a kill

[latent moon]

oh bruh

[sly ridge]

yeah

[hardy spear]

prob urge to kill

[rustic vale]

Urge to kill is attack special cast

[sly ridge]

yeah

[rustic vale]

battle rage is after kill get damage

[latent moon]

well urge to kill then unless you want to sell black metal for stonks

[sly ridge]

doesnt that only apply to the next hit i do

[hardy spear]

no it's just plain damage buff

[rustic vale]

the plain buff to all

[sly ridge]

it says my next attack or special

[hardy spear]

youre reading the wrong thing i think

[rustic vale]

grab urge to kill

urge to jill

[hardy spear]

urge to bill

who is bill

he is now a verb

[latent moon]

get billed

oh wait

[rustic vale]

Urge to gill

Urge to xill

[sly ridge]

im not

[hardy spear]

ok

[rustic vale]

Urge to kill is the bonus to attack special and cast

[sly ridge]

thats what battle rage says

[hardy spear]

yeah so you were reading the wrong thing we were talking about urge to kill

[rustic vale]

yes we clairified what each one does like 30 seconds ago

[sly ridge]

i thought we were talking about battle rage

urge it is

[rustic vale]

urge it is

[lean timber]

urge to shrill

[sly ridge]

urge to not die at 35 health

[hardy spear]

local gamer gives in to the urges

[lean timber]

par

[rustic vale]

find patty

[lean timber]

in a vacuum which is better battle rage or urge to kill

[sly ridge]

neither of the next chamber were patrolcus

[lean timber]

L

[sly ridge]

the chamber i went in has a bunch of flame wheels

[hardy spear]

too highly weapon/aspect dependant imo

[sly ridge]

and i cannot grasp the concept of not dashing into them

[hardy spear]

just dont

ease pease

[sly ridge]

6 health

lol

i have died via elite splitter

[lean timber]

i would say dash through them, but they're too small to reliably to that

• tendency to dash strike

[sly ridge]

i swear i do the opposite of what i should do with these enemies

[lean timber]

splitters are fun because sometimes you literally just take 50 damage from them

[hardy spear]

or you just insta die because pl

[sly ridge]

i tried to get up close so i could try and hit the splitter with all 3 of the beams

and all the big orbs hit me

[hardy spear]

this is why i dont like triple beam or triple shot on bow

[latent moon]

i dont think you can actually hit all 3 beams on an enemy with super soaker lmao

it just knocks them away

[sly ridge]

the big bruh moment

[latent moon]

unless they're against a wall already i guess but at that point just wall slam them to death

[sly ridge]

at least now i can give ambrosia to dusa

funny snake companion

[lean timber]

chad (agrees with me)

[sly ridge]

and now i do em4 godmodeless

[rustic vale]

[rustic vale]

Basedddd

[sly ridge]

ill use rama

[hardy spear]

if youre struggling in elysium em4 is not happening

[sly ridge]

even though i have no experience

[rustic vale]

Believe in the me that believes in you

[lean timber]

rama based

[sly ridge]

only reason that went that badly was cuz i sucked at lucifer

[hardy spear]

you underestimate em4

[sly ridge]

em1 and em2 werent that bad

[rustic vale]

I take that back, believe in the you that believes in you because you shouldn’t believe in untrue things

[latent moon]

have you at least done em3 lol

[sly ridge]

nope

[hardy spear]

lol, lmao even

[latent moon]

and base dad is literal cakewalk compared to em4

[sly ridge]

💀

[rustic vale]

Good luck have fun

[hardy spear]

youre dying at em3

[sly ridge]

im so screwed

[rustic vale]

Please don’t let this run deter you from further godmodeless play

[latent moon]

or butterfly ball lmao

rama does not like butterfly ball

[sly ridge]

ok starting boon was dio

[hardy spear]

just one shot it

easy

[rustic vale]

Are you not running god keepsakes to start?

[sly ridge]

n o

anyways

[latent moon]

[hardy spear]

em4 is the worst heat for difficulty setting change my mind

[rustic vale]

RIP

[sly ridge]

drunken strike (rare)
trippy shot
drunken dash

[latent moon]

NASTY DASH

[hardy spear]

the nastiest dash

[rustic vale]

Why not?

[sly ridge]

both trippy and the dash are common

[hardy spear]

only takes 2 ticks to kill vermin

[sly ridge]

yeah but does that really matter if i cant even reach them

[rustic vale]

Rarity doesn’t really matter on hangover boons or trippy shot

[hardy spear]

then why are you talking about doing em4

[sly ridge]

but doesnt the rarity makes the hangover stronger

[lean timber]

yes it absolutely does lol common vs. epic is a difference of two poms!!

maybe even 3!

[sly ridge]

who knows

anyways which one do i pick

[rustic vale]

It does but not an impactful amount
Hangover boons care about poms of power way more since they’re way easier to get and don’t drop offf

well

[hardy spear]

your best option is probably just cry

[lean timber]

"cope"

[sly ridge]

im not crying until i die in some stupid way super early on

[rustic vale]

Rarity on dio doesn’t really matter

[sly ridge]

[lean timber]

tbh ratio

[hardy spear]

but hes playing rama these are all kinda dog

[rustic vale]

Not dio in general I mean hangover boons specigivally

I literally can’t words today

[hardy spear]

trippy shot maybe?

[lean timber]

you need to reroll or take flare

*shot

[sly ridge]

cant reroll

[rustic vale]

Why aren’t you running god keepsakes Aspid?

[hardy spear]

mans isnt using a god keepsake nor do they have reroll

[sly ridge]

dog collar funny

im going with trippy

[rustic vale]

You’ll be less likely to die with a good build than you are to die with collar

[sly ridge]

cuz im hoping to get something better to go on attack

[rustic vale]

which is why god keepsakes get run

[lean timber]

if i was in my zero heat arc i would be saying "based" to literally everything you're saying but right now i kind of hate you

[sly ridge]

doesnt help me that much if i dont know what actually is a good build

[rustic vale]

Well then ask

[lean timber]

brrrrrrrrrrrr

[hardy spear]

fr fr fr for fr

[rustic vale]

Ask what are good builds

[lean timber]

rrrruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

rrrruuuuuuuuuu

[hardy spear]

h

[lean timber]

brrrruuuuuuuu

[sly ridge]

ok im gonna stop asking about these boons until i find one that actually seems to have a few decent options

[rustic vale]

Something like rama would like aphrodite or artemis on attack because that’ll make it do consistently better damage

well

“Consistently” and “artemis” in the same sentence lmfao

Ask matty if you need rama help he knows it

[lean timber]

frost strike rama is my secret trademark build

/j

[hardy spear]

not awful ngl

[sly ridge]

so i already got 2 levels onto the trippy shot

[latent moon]

frost strike and zeus special, get duo and use PS lmao

[lean timber]

God damn it.

[rustic vale]

Based

[lean timber]

you do not use cast on rama!! stop leveling it!!

bbblpvlplpblpppplvplpl

is this how you guys felt when you were dealing with me at first

LMFAO

[latent moon]

bold of you to assume we still dont feel the same way about you now

[sly ridge]

im putting everyone here through 5 gates of hell rn

with all the dumb choices im making

[hardy spear]

6 actually

but hey ho

[sly ridge]

i cant believe it

i have to dodge attacks?!

[latent moon]

nah not really

just face tank

[hardy spear]

just kil before they can kil

[lean timber]

at zero eating literally everything is a viable strategy

[sly ridge]

charon shop time

[lean timber]

me gargling splitter balls because i refuse to learn how to use my dashes effectively

[hardy spear]

theres a video of someone beating hades without doing anything

[sly ridge]

im 14 short of a hammer

[lean timber]

find a gold pot

[hardy spear]

any pots?

[lean timber]

or borrow 300 obol

ask charon for a loan

a small loan of a m

[sly ridge]

i dont see any gold pots

[lean timber]

in tart the endshop has a platinum pot sometimes

[latent moon]

i always miss those lmao

[hardy spear]

you get irl money for breaking it

[sly ridge]

im tempted to get ares boon

should i get ares special

[latent moon]

ares isn't a bad pick on the special yeah

[sly ridge]

or something else

[latent moon]

just dont put it on the atk

[sly ridge]

yeah i figured

[hardy spear]

doom proc on their corpse

[latent moon]

the doom goes down before you shoot lmao

[sly ridge]

slicing shot, ares aid, and battle rage

[latent moon]

probably battle rage

[lean timber]

ares is awesome on special

[sly ridge]

i want a refund

[lean timber]

battle rage is great as well

sorry no refunds!!

[hardy spear]

battle rage p cool

[sly ridge]

battle rage it is

the next room is a zeus boon

[lean timber]

zoos

[sly ridge]

hope i get zeus special

[latent moon]

lmfao

thunder dash time

[lean timber]

he's learning

[sly ridge]

dang it

[hardy spear]

are you sure
mans has dio ares and zeus in his pool

[sly ridge]

electric shot, zeus aid, and lightning reflexes

[latent moon]

oh god lmfao

all are not bad actually

[sly ridge]

all of them are rares

[hardy spear]

i like call personally

[sly ridge]

should i just get the call

or the cast

[hardy spear]

please please pleasee pick up aphro keepsake for aspho or something

[sly ridge]

ok

ill get zeus aid

[hardy spear]

do you know how the god pool works by the way

[lean timber]

small steps

also what's a pool

[hardy spear]

i will throttle you

[latent moon]

the thing you swim in

[hardy spear]

both of you

[lean timber]

is there a bathhouse cutscene with artemis?? wowoooooow9w9wowo eyes bulge out of head awoooooga mmmamamamama

[latent moon]

[hardy spear]

[lean timber]

it's post epilogue

[sly ridge]

so far so good

sussyphus chamber

[lean timber]

@/supergiant

[sly ridge]

ive seen pictues of bouldy boons

ive gotten to the point where i can talk and gift to bouldy

but idk if the boon thing is real

[latent moon]

hit the boon view menu

[lean timber]

it is real

[latent moon]

you'll see it

[sly ridge]

so how do i unlock the boons

[lean timber]

it's as real as the one piece

[warm nimbus]

gift him nectar

[latent moon]

when you gift him nectar you should get the boon

[sly ridge]

ive gifted bouldy 3 nectar total

[lean timber]

need to max friendship with him first

[sly ridge]

oh wait

i see it now

heart of stone

[lean timber]

what does it say

[sly ridge]

you believe in bouldy, and bouldy believes in you

[lean timber]

what's the

bonus

[sly ridge]

move speed

3%

[lean timber]

nice that's cool

that makes you eligible for rd

best boon

[sly ridge]

rd?

[lean timber]

rush delivery, it gives you extra power based on your move speed

hey man don't knock it

[sly ridge]

ohh

so lets say

i get a hermes boon

[lean timber]

rd does NOT need to become more highroll

[sly ridge]

that makes me move faster after dashing

and i dash strike

[lean timber]

correct, hyper sprint, gives +100% move speed

yes go on...

[sly ridge]

so id do even more damage

cuz of me dash striking

[lean timber]

any move speed makes you eligible. i wasn't joking about that

[sly ridge]

so whats the prereq for rush delivery

[lean timber]

having any positive movespeed modifier

[sly ridge]

oh

[hardy spear]

this is a truth too difficult for me to accept

[lean timber]

well erm FIRST of all, those are CURSES NOT BOONS and actually 🤓

bouldy makes you eligible for rush delivery. say it with me.

you fear reality then

it works

[sly ridge]

another charon shop

[lean timber]

like among us??

[sly ridge]

a hammer and another ares boon

endshop

[lean timber]

okay now your challenge for me is to get both hermes boons and get rush delivery if you can

please

for science

i mean you want them anyway but

[sly ridge]

no boon on special or attack

[lean timber]

just get them

[sly ridge]

trippy shot

im using rama

[hardy spear]

we tried to stop him

[sly ridge]

no you did not

[hardy spear]

to no avail

[twilit lodge]

Trippy shot Rama

Trippy shot anything tbh

[sly ridge]

one of you told me to do trippy

[hardy spear]

yes i did i told you to run away and cry because you got dio

[twilit lodge]

Trippy flare on the other hand

[sly ridge]

ok the hammer gave me

[lean timber]

we told you to take trippy flare because it was the only boon remotely worth something

you should have sold it

[sly ridge]

sniper shot
relentless volley
explosive shot

[lean timber]

trippy actually hurts rama because you can't lodge cast for boiling blood

relentless helps with spreading shared suffering

never take sniper

[sly ridge]

is that really a bad thing

[lean timber]

yes

twin shot is easily best rama bow

second to none

shut up!!

shut your yap

[sly ridge]

sniper shot it is

[lean timber]

instantly

WHAT ARE YOU DOING

[sly ridge]

wait not sniper

[lean timber]

I'M GONNA RIP YOUR HEAD OFF

[sly ridge]

relentless

[lean timber]

ok good 😃

[sly ridge]

oh wait i forgot

twin shot doesnt angle it in 2 directions

i thought twin shot was just a worse triple shot

[latent moon]

imagine if twin shot went on both sides of you instead of right in front of you

[swift inlet]

Trin shot

[sly ridge]

ok so im on tisiphone now

going pretty well

[swift inlet]

Where you fire twin shots at triple shot angles

Multiplicative moment

[sly ridge]

no more murder

[lean timber]

twin shot but triple shot makes it two tria off shoots centered directly in front of zagreus

fanning out in a 30° cone

no not like that

[sly ridge]

should i purse trippy

purge*

dangit

[hardy spear]

yeah

[sly ridge]

ok

so which keepsake should i use

[hardy spear]

aphro

[sly ridge]

ok

[hardy spear]

try going for heartbreak strike

[sly ridge]

sure thing

[lean timber]

i would post a pic of what i mean but i can't be bothered to make it a link so that i can waste time and energy posting a 3kb image in supergiant server

[hardy spear]

uh oh john rama is typing

[lean timber]

shut up!!

[hardy spear]

weep

[lean timber]

if you fear my correction then you know you're doing something wrong then

what's wrong with heartbreak strike my son

[sly ridge]

are hermes chambers not affected

by god keepsakes

[lean timber]

sure are not

hermes does not care what you want

[sly ridge]

hermes it is then

[lean timber]

he is coming whether you like it or not

unless you skip him!

most runs do not benefit from skipping him

[sly ridge]

"aphrodite said shes running just a little late"

hyper sprint

epic

[hardy spear]

cool

[sly ridge]

another zeus boon in the charon shop

and a pom

i have enough for both

[hardy spear]

high rolling for rush delivery with no rerolls

[sly ridge]

YES

epic rarity thunder flourish

now i can abuse the special even more!

[hardy spear]

unaruable gaming

[sly ridge]

finally an aphro room

🗿

barge of death

[latent moon]

bargey wargey

[sly ridge]

ok that wasnt bad at all

i only took 12 damage from an inferno bomber

bruh

crush shot, dying lament, and wave of despair

which one

welp

ill just get wave of despair

i wish this was said before i went to the boss

no more lernie

[lean timber]

i just realized why you guys always misspell unaruably

lol

[latent moon]

do you still not have an atk boon lmao

[sly ridge]

i have 4 companion uses still

also no

i dont

[lean timber]

don't need one

[latent moon]

crush shot would've been better to fill a core, that way the next aphro you see will give you atk

[sly ridge]

wait

does the god keepsake only affect 1 boon per run

[latent moon]

yes

[sly ridge]

crap

i still have the rose

yay

patty room

which thing do i get

would 2 be low

in that case ill get the jerky

ok two chamber choices

dio

or ares

this better be butterflyball

i want my revenge

uh

asterius has armor

oh hell nah

his jumpy attack got the aoe now

[lean timber]

crush my nuts

gottem

[swift inlet]

Damn

Can't post the meme

[sly ridge]

what did you post

[lean timber]

not only can you not post images, you can't post more than one every 15 seconds!! moderation at its finest

moment

[sly ridge]

ok yeah i think my runs gonna end on asterius

[lean timber]

oh yeah em3 lol. yeah that's a "suffer and die" moment

[old belfry]

who here

(only em4)

[sly ridge]

at least i got to here without godmode this time

[old belfry]

me!

[sly ridge]

bruh wth

what is this spinny attack hes doing

[old belfry]

do 32

[rustic vale]

Based

[old belfry]

it be ok

[rustic vale]

Based speedrun em4 pact

Em4 fo2

[sly ridge]

ok i beat asterius

[old belfry]

i dont play fo at all

but all my runs are em4

[sly ridge]

still one more dd left

[old belfry]

[rustic vale]

Why?

[sly ridge]

drunken strike, trippy shot, or after party

[old belfry]

3rd phase dad more fun

[rustic vale]

on what?

Hmm

[sly ridge]

im still doing the rama em4 run

[rustic vale]

Should learn fo2 so you can have more fun faster

[rustic vale]

Rama wants a % based attack not hangover

[old belfry]

all my runs are only against my own pb, i should fo FO to progress tho

do fo*

[lean timber]

dd's nuts

[rustic vale]

Take either trippy shot or after party

[old belfry]

but i just like doing em4

[sly ridge]

after party time

[rustic vale]

I can’t believe you don’t have a % attack yet this is ely right?

[sly ridge]

yes

its ely

[lean timber]

the spin combo? that he does even in regular combat? lol

[sly ridge]

no

he does this long charge up

and starts chasing me while spinning

[rustic vale]

Lmfao you might have to take shackle if you can’t find a % attack

[lean timber]

ohhh asterius

[rustic vale]

would be based

[lean timber]

lmao yeah

murder

[sly ridge]

oh yeah the chamber right after asterius was another dio chamber

[rustic vale]

dio call prayers?

Dio call is based

[sly ridge]

im pretty sure i gotta do theseus in the next room

this boon is free this time

oh nvm

fountain

another drunken strike and trippy shot

[old belfry]

olympus, i accept this message

[sly ridge]

but theres also epic rarity premium vintage

[rustic vale]

anyways you prolly should’ve forced aphrodite for an attack in asphodel… sending hopes and prayers you find something good 🙏

[sly ridge]

how would i force

[rustic vale]

Uh

[old belfry]

keepsake bruh

[rustic vale]

Switch to her god keepsake

[sly ridge]

i was using the rose the whoel time since aspho

did you not see when i had said what the boon gave me

[rustic vale]

Nope

[rustic vale]

You should take it off the next biome because the only real reason to use it is to force a god in

[old belfry]

oh no

[sly ridge]

crush shot, wave of despair, and dying lament

[rustic vale]

So keeping it through multiple biomes isn’t meaningful

[old belfry]

it just bad rng

[rustic vale]

Could just force another god in or take something else that’ll help your build better

[sly ridge]

if i cant get aphro attack

who should i get

[latent moon]

arty

athena

[rustic vale]

take shackle don’t force a god in styx

[latent moon]

dem

but also

your god pool is full

[old belfry]

by end yeah shackle

[latent moon]

of 3 flat damagers and 1 %

[sly ridge]

ok then

[latent moon]

it's em4 lmfao

[rustic vale]

Artemis
Demeter
Athena
Are all also good % givers

[latent moon]

this is so cursed

[old belfry]

em4 shackle is goat

all my runs em4

[latent moon]

it's their first time doing em4

[rustic vale]

but aphrodite just has the highest percent which is why it’s recommended

[swift inlet]

Sobbing

I just wanted to do a funny

[rustic vale]

Plus weakness is gaming

[sly ridge]

screw flame wheels

[rustic vale]

What heat are your runs usually?

[raw herald]

64 on a bad day

[rustic vale]

Rmacinty 64 heat sub 5 speedrun when?

[raw herald]

Soon

[old belfry]

default for me is 20, em4, bp2, mm, and td 2

and i just add from there

[rustic vale]

Not soon enough

[swift inlet]

I stay at speedrun heat

[rustic vale]

I want to push my heat but also want to get my times faster

[latent moon]

do 50 heat

50 heat is so based

[old belfry]

i just have more fun with more elite modifiers

[swift inlet]

No

[latent moon]

cringe

[swift inlet]

I hate not getting the build

[latent moon]

ap2 is literally free you have mods

[swift inlet]

I'd rather chill

[rustic vale]

Ez em2 fo15 td2

[latent moon]

50 is pretty doable on beo tho

dc1 ap2 instead of em4 lmao

[rustic vale]

Ultimate 50 heat speedrun pact

[raw herald]

DC1 beo

[sly ridge]

im struggling on 10 heat

[lean timber]

free

[latent moon]

jolted stocks 📈

[rustic vale]

Don’t worry about it

[lean timber]

literally the most free thing i have ever seen

[old belfry]

you'll be ok

[rustic vale]

Cold fusion stocks 📈

[latent moon]

worked for me lmao

[sly ridge]

should i try and get the jolted effect on thunder flourish

[rustic vale]

You aren’t going to become a prospeedrunner overnight unless you do

[rustic vale]

Yes

Jolted is so much of the damage for zeus boons

[old belfry]

if you play high heat, you just git gud and then low heat speedrunning is ez

[sly ridge]

did not know that

[lean timber]

just like me fr

[sly ridge]

i really want athena dash

cuz im gonna get harrassed by satyr cultists in styx if i make it there

[latent moon]

the inverse is also true actually
if you git gud at speedrunning, high heat isn't as bad

[old belfry]

dang

[rustic vale]

Idk man as someone with 0 40 heat runs under my belt I will literally always take splash dash unless the build requires a certain other dash to work. It’s literally so much damage and so much aoe I will take it over any other boon in the game

[sly ridge]

can i have a different dash boon if i already have hyper sprint

[latent moon]

yes

[old belfry]

idk i felt like pushing heat made me a better player

[latent moon]

those are separate things

[rustic vale]

?

[sly ridge]

ok thats good to know

[rustic vale]

Hyper sprint is not a dash core

[latent moon]

i mean both do

[old belfry]

i pushed hard early tho

[twilit lodge]

Did aspid turn off godmode yet

[rustic vale]

You can tell that it isn’t a core because it doesn’t take up the dash core slot

[twilit lodge]

I’m invested in this arc

[sly ridge]

all those god mode escapes kinda pay off for practice a little

[rustic vale]

Yes
And he’s trying em4 for the first time with it off

with rama

With no % attack

[sly ridge]

best rng

i do like rama tho

[rustic vale]

[twilit lodge]

Stop trying to make supersoaker rama a thing

[sly ridge]

the normal attack is so sloww tho

[latent moon]

kinda on you for not starting with a god keepsake lmao

[rustic vale]

It is a thing

[vital tapir]

dash attack

[rustic vale]

Do you make sure you are Dash striking with it

and not standing striking

Please

Say yes please

[sly ridge]

occasionally

lol

[rustic vale]

[twilit lodge]

Dash striking is stinky!!!

[sly ridge]

im taking a break from the em4 run for a bit

[rustic vale]

I can’t think of a time where standing strike on rama is actually viable over dash strike

[sly ridge]

right now neither of them are as useful as the special

[twilit lodge]

When you’re already charged to perfect shot

[rustic vale]

Maybe I’m just wrong though

[sly ridge]

all my damage is coming from thunder flourish

[latent moon]

[twilit lodge]

That’s terrifying

[rustic vale]

that required you to standing strike to begin with

[sly ridge]

i forgot i still only have 1 hammer

again

[rustic vale]

I should try thunder flourish rama

I should use rama more

[twilit lodge]

Rama cool

[old belfry]

why

[rustic vale]

Do you mean internal cooldown on zeus boons yes

[twilit lodge]

Rama isn’t a super soaker

It’s the garden hose

[sly ridge]

ive only seen one hammer through the whole run

[rustic vale]

Non-arthur swords playerrs in shambles

[old belfry]

wut mirror perk

[sly ridge]

?

[rustic vale]

If you have dark foresight you should run it

The mirror perk dark foresight

[sly ridge]

forgot what dark foresight does

[old belfry]

ok

it gives you hammers basically

[rustic vale]

Find hammers boons hearts obols more often

[sly ridge]

oh

[old belfry]

are you using the heat that makes your mirror worse

[twilit lodge]

Let me tell you what dark foresight doesn’t do

[sly ridge]

no

[old belfry]

w/e its called

[twilit lodge]

Doesn’t give you 40% more rare boons!

[sly ridge]

only e4

[rustic vale]

it’s 40000* better than the one that increases rare chance

[old belfry]

ok yeah use foresight next time

[twilit lodge]

Who doesn’t want more rare boons tho

[rustic vale]

more boons means more rare boons if you think about it anyways

🧠

[sly ridge]

bouldy boons superior

[twilit lodge]

I can’t remember all the times when a rare boon saved my entire run

[rustic vale]

Truueeeep