h1-discussion

[rustic vale]

Dio and ME work on eris as well

like

Yes lightning strike on fast weapons good

[sly ridge]

what exactly is ME tho

[rustic vale]

Merciful end

[sly ridge]

does not ring any bell

[latent moon]

ares athena duo

[rustic vale]

Is ares+athena duo

[sly ridge]

oh

[rustic vale]

Insta drops doom in deflect

[sly ridge]

ok i reached theseus

[latent moon]

beat his ass

[sly ridge]

i swear to god theseus is annoying as hell

[rustic vale]

I’m not saying don’t use lightnintg strike I’m saying there are alternatives

[sly ridge]

its like he gets whooped 20 times

but still talks all that "blackguard" mess

fr

[rustic vale]

Asterius based theseus cringe

Asterius based theseus acidic

Fr fr

[sly ridge]

i dont think so

he only says one thing before the fight

[twilit lodge]

He starts talking more after you have a conversation with asterius solo

[rustic vale]

Or a few convos with asterius solo

[twilit lodge]

If they don’t do their tag team shockwave move you haven’t gotten there yet

[sly ridge]

what move do you mean by that

[rustic vale]

Literally what they just said

[sly ridge]

all i know of is asterius yeeting theseus at me

[rustic vale]

Asterius charges into theseus shield

[sly ridge]

oh

[rustic vale]

Makes a dad skull shockwave

It’s only after they become besties again

and by that point you should be fine for it

[twilit lodge]

The shockwave is nice tbh

Cuz you get to do damage to both for a bit

[latent moon]

groups them up real nice for easy damage lol

[twilit lodge]

Instead of chasing the bull and getting backstabbed

[rustic vale]

So does the start of the fight just instaphase them then

[latent moon]

i mean you can

beo/eris moment

[rustic vale]

if your heroes fight isn’t sub0 sometjing is wrong with your build

[sly ridge]

my heartbreak flourish nearly does 300%

[twilit lodge]

If you can’t sub3 heroes don’t even talk to me

[rustic vale]

If only it was rocket bomb

[latent moon]

tmw heroes iframes are more than 3 seconds

[sly ridge]

i cant even try and replace it

[twilit lodge]

I’m sorry why are you talking to me can’t you read

[sly ridge]

cuz the styx shop dont got an anvil

[twilit lodge]

No anvil moment

[rustic vale]

Just delete those files from the game speedrun.com won’t notice the difference in bubble duration

[latent moon]

true

[twilit lodge]

Petition to make bubble the official term

[rustic vale]

Bubble is what they are

[twilit lodge]

It is

I agree

[rustic vale]

I ain’t calling them anything else

[latent moon]

based name

[twilit lodge]

“Boss iphase”

[sly ridge]

ok nice

got the sack early

[twilit lodge]

“Dad bubble”

[latent moon]

cringe

[sly ridge]

and i got 300 obol to spend

[twilit lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/alright-secure-the-bag-secure-the-bag-aight-keep-it-safe-guard-gif-15903340

Buy a Pom and have it go to every boon except the one you want

[rustic vale]

Eat the sack yourself for a secret boss fight

[sly ridge]

too late for the poms

[raw herald]

Eat Cerberus

[sly ridge]

i bought all 3 already

[rustic vale]

just go do all the styx tunnels for the money to buy gem/titans blood

[twilit lodge]

Equip Charon keepsake to unlock secret coin toss call

[rustic vale]

You had the charon discount card right?

[sly ridge]

i already went out the door

[sly ridge]

yeah

[twilit lodge]

That would be based, throw extra obol at dad for damage

[rustic vale]

I was joking when I said that

[twilit lodge]

Hoarding slash users in shambles

[rustic vale]

Hoarding slash in shambles

[twilit lodge]

Brain cell moment

[rustic vale]

I have more

[twilit lodge]

I only have one so can I have it back

[sly ridge]

funny 370 health

[rustic vale]

Smh rookie numbers

[twilit lodge]

Alexa what’s the wr for max health after dad fight

(Gotta include that +5 from darkness)

[rustic vale]

Iirc… maybe +800?

[twilit lodge]

Not enough

[rustic vale]

Atleast 4

[sly ridge]

easy hades win

[twilit lodge]

How much Hp would it take for feather duster to be useful

I’m thinking 2000

[sly ridge]

doesnt feather duster just make urns have a chance to drop health items

[rustic vale]

Yea

Idk what they’re on about

[twilit lodge]

But they’re % health based

[latent moon]

isn't it a maximum of 1 pot per room that'll heal you lmao

The text of the effect is "Broken urns have a 3/5/6% chance to contain healing items.", but this is false; a maximum of one urn per room can have healing in it.

very cool wiki

[twilit lodge]

Oh I guess I saw 3% and thought it was how much the items heal for

[sly ridge]

yey now i finally got the sigil from hades

[twilit lodge]

Healing items are always % health based now that I think about it

[rustic vale]

The items heal for a % based amount yes but

[twilit lodge]

Exposed as someone who has never equipped feather duster

the shame

[rustic vale]

Imagine not having every keepsake maxed

smh

[twilit lodge]

Imagine not having god mode maxed

Stinky

[rustic vale]

That’ll be the one thing I never max

[twilit lodge]

And heat

[rustic vale]

i’ll do 64 someday

Probably

Hopefully

[twilit lodge]

[rustic vale]

[sly ridge]

zeus JUST NOW mentioned the adamant rail

[rustic vale]

💀

Now you can use any weapon to get the awakening phrase thougj

[sly ridge]

ima do something real quick

to make it easier to die

[rustic vale]

Don’t give up the run

[sly ridge]

too late

[rustic vale]

[latent moon]

lmao

[rustic vale]

[rustic vale]

Have fun getting the phrase again

[latent moon]

it'd be real funny if he didn't give the waking phrase next time

although he should

[sly ridge]

no i didnt get the waking phrase

[latent moon]

gamer

[sly ridge]

i got the thing he says before it

[rustic vale]

giving up the run puts you back before the run started

[sly ridge]

i know

[rustic vale]

so doing that means you lose the comment about rail

[sly ridge]

yeah i know

[rustic vale]

Did you not say you had given up the run?

[sly ridge]

i did

[rustic vale]

Have fun finding the comment about rail again

[sly ridge]

he told me the waking phrase

💀

[rustic vale]

oh the waking phrase still

[sly ridge]

time to die

death by thug

amazing

i have hope in this last hidden aspect

[rustic vale]

There is only 1 per weapon

[sly ridge]

i know

but its the last one i need

[rustic vale]

Oh

I read your message wrong

[sly ridge]

oh wow

i finished dusa bond thing

some arrow thing showed up

[rustic vale]

Uh

The arrow opening up more dusa hearts?

[sly ridge]

yeah

[rustic vale]

Bond ain’t exactly finished

[sly ridge]

yeah i figured

neat

aspect of lucifer

[rustic vale]

Yup

Use a % based special

[sly ridge]

just for the funny

[rustic vale]

lightning strike

[sly ridge]

this run ima put on em4

[rustic vale]

Actually you want more funny?

Use poseidon strike

[sly ridge]

ill try and get that

[rustic vale]

Make lucifer into a super soaker

Find zeus elsewhere and hope for sea storm

[sly ridge]

perfect

tempest strike

[rustic vale]

If you see triple bomb take it 👍

[latent moon]

[rustic vale]

Or eternal chamber since it’s super soaker

Oh btw this isn’t meant to be great this is meant to be funny

It is kinda great though

[twilit lodge]

It’s kinda weak

But still hilarious

[rustic vale]

True, real lucifer players only run MEcifer

Doom strike athena flourish it’s kinda like zeus where you don’t necessarily need ddash

[latent moon]

dire lucifortune

[rustic vale]

Or the other way around but I think that’ll work worse

Making ME infinitely more highroll by throwing in artemis for deadly reversal is gaming

[latent moon]

crit the doom lmao

[twilit lodge]

Throw in Demeter for spicy challenge mode

Stubborn roots avoiding gaming

[lost hound]

i turned on max heat to give gifts to achilles faster

[rustic vale]

🧠

[latent moon]

you really only need routine inspection 4, hard labor 5, and high security

jury summons 3 i guess too if you want

[rustic vale]

Forced overtime 2

[latent moon]

oh yeah

[rustic vale]

Ri4 hl5 fo2 js3 hs

[lost hound]

ooh

[rustic vale]

Everything else doesn’t really matter

[lost hound]

ill bring the bracer too

[rustic vale]

Use guan-yu if you have it

[latent moon]

lvl 1 gy is even better

how much hp do you even get at that point lmao

[rustic vale]

30%

So like 15?

[latent moon]

a lout can straight up one shot you with hl5 lmfao

and the thugs too i think

oh BP2 works too i guess lmao

[lost hound]

me and achilles had a drink in the lounge

but now im out of nectar

[rustic vale]

At that point everything else is freew

[rustic vale]

This is why you actually try to complete runs

Gemstones moment

[latent moon]

turn off dark foresight for nectar lmao

[lost hound]

okay one more time

[latent moon]

i think i saw like 2 or 3 when i turned it off

[lost hound]

now i can gift him abrosia but have to die for it

[rustic vale]

ngl gift farming with dio

Sounds like. Gaming

[latent moon]

also you could keep resetting until you get necar c2 or c3, those happen quite a bit iirc

[rustic vale]

Just get a hangover boon and the max hp when you get a gift

Turn off dark foresight

~~and use fated authority ~~

big hangover

[lost hound]

that just reminds me

i havent seen dionysus in a run for a while

[swift inlet]

Um

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/699090167788470284/1026639464837173358/unknown.png?width=1202&height=676

[rustic vale]

Backwards caps

[swift inlet]

How

[rustic vale]

Magic

[lost hound]

I love zagreus "Forgot something again!"

[latent moon]

that happened to me once on a hera run lmao i somehow got to use 4 casts on the dad fight

idk how tho

i think it's when you load it as soon as you pick up or something? idk

[livid crescent]

how does rush delivery work? like for Rare, it says 75% bonus damage from bonus speed. so if I have 10% bonus speed then it would be 75% * 10% = 7.5% damage bonus?

[lean timber]

it has like a two frame window lol but i did once get a cast during dad fight

that was epic

[rustic vale]

Yes
To be noted: move speed is multiplicative

[latent moon]

bruh xiao got 2 of them lmfao

gamer

[swift inlet]

Btw this beo run only got mirage in styxshop

[latent moon]

lmao it do be like that

what's the igt?

[lean timber]

four

[latent moon]

you're four

[lean timber]

true.

[rustic vale]

Matty in shambles

[latent moon]

absolute child

[lean timber]

baby mode

[rustic vale]

Literally matty 100% of the time

[swift inlet]

8:11 finish

[latent moon]

gamer

[swift inlet]

What's your hera pb again matty

[latent moon]

wasn't it 9:05

or 9:04

[lean timber]

shut up

stop comparing me to you

[latent moon]

lmfao

[swift inlet]

😳

[lean timber]

blvlbpblbplbplbb

[latent moon]

did you get the tv matty

[lean timber]

I AM TRYING

no i did not yet but i will today

[latent moon]

based

[rustic vale]

I have a better pb than matty
Sub0 is better than sub10

[lean timber]

WHAT

SUPER WHAT

[latent moon]

unaruably

[lean timber]

i hate you. actually. i despise you

this is certainly the

[swift inlet]

what tv

[latent moon]

tees vuts

[rustic vale]

matty dead stared some poor walmart employees at 3am last night

[lean timber]

higher def tv with less input lag. if i want to use cap card i have to run thru tv and my current one is not very good

[lean timber]

how tf do YOU know

[rustic vale]

I was there

[latent moon]

shackle was the walmart employee

[lean timber]

i forgor 💀

and it was 11pm btw, they should be open at that time. they should be open 24/7

ah well. got some rest, i'll go down today i think

[latent moon]

at 10:45 again?

[rustic vale]

I swear you said it was 3am

[lean timber]

shut

[latent moon]

sea storm

[rustic vale]

Sea storm

[warm nimbus]

quack

[latent moon]

🦆

[rustic vale]

Putting weaken on my gilga special was 600iq

[swift inlet]

Sobbing rn

[latent moon]

they can't deal 50% more damage to you if you reduce it by 30% 🧠

[swift inlet]

Thinking bout how I missed the sub8 ME nem

I had heroic doom/impending :')

[rustic vale]

They also are taking more damage because epic sweet surrender

[latent moon]

true

[warm nimbus]

30%?

[lean timber]

weak

[warm nimbus]

ohhh

wait isnt weak 10%

[lean timber]

no

[rustic vale]

yeah what weaken does 10% slash jay

[lean timber]

30%

[warm nimbus]

wait what

its 30%????

[livid crescent]

stepdad ares is the weirdest story arc

[latent moon]

this is a meme at this point right

[warm nimbus]

yeah lmao

[latent moon]

thank god

[warm nimbus]

thatd be so funny

if i forgot again somehow

makes the special 30% faster

[lean timber]

it makes your special faster?

[warm nimbus]

yeah

[lean timber]

really.

[warm nimbus]

crazy

[latent moon]

yes

[lean timber]

ignored

[warm nimbus]

yeah

[latent moon]

[rustic vale]

If it works like chiron it probably lets you shoot more faster

[warm nimbus]

oh fun fact btw

apparently splitting bolt is a gun

[lean timber]

hey guys, did you kn

[warm nimbus]

and so is dashing actually

[lean timber]

no

[latent moon]

oh right lmfao

wasn't aware splitting was a gun tho

no

[daring comet]

YES

I BEAT HADES

FOR THE FIRST TIME

[rustic vale]

Thank goodness you through that line in at the end

[daring comet]

y

[rustic vale]

Throw the victory screen in victory boasting

[rustic vale]

Idk how to explain

[latent moon]

bold of you to assume that was the final boss fight of the run

[daring comet]

?

o-o

[rustic vale]

Now it’s time to fight cerberus

Oh my gosh I forgot sd again

I’ll just give up the run got forced into zeus and aphrodite in tart

I almost just lost a dd to a survive for 45seconds room in tart because I had -dash range

[twilit lodge]

I said it once and I’ll say it again, based CotL pfp

[swift inlet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/699090167788470284/1026647284265529444/unknown.png

[twilit lodge]

Td moment

[swift inlet]

Epic RD with no hyper sprint 💪

[latent moon]

it's basically common hyper delivery

[twilit lodge]

Well, non-TD moment

So I meant like

Td would have helped

Moment

You’re not even my real mom shut up

[rustic vale]

?

[rustic vale]

Timer stops in those rooms

[twilit lodge]

Ik, I meant you should have taken TD so you wouldn’t die to the survive room

[rustic vale]

that literally makes no sense

[twilit lodge]

If you had td you wouldn’t get the survival room that you said almost killed you

Why is this not making sense lol

[rustic vale]

I have td3

wait

No I don’t

[twilit lodge]

Lmfao

[rustic vale]

This is speedrun pact

9 heat

em2 fo2

[twilit lodge]

“Survival rooms are free” - some guy who got survival room taxed, probably

[rustic vale]

It was free

It almost wasn’t due to being -dash but

It ultimately was free

[snow skiff]

how does someone get survival room tax wtf

the only way i see that happening is like with some awful chaos curse

[twilit lodge]

Ur psychic!!!

[rustic vale]

Dash range down on fists

[latent moon]

No you can't be offered DD refills if you have SD from wells

[snow skiff]

i would simply not take dash range down

[latent moon]

Unless it's from Athena

[snow skiff]

one of the worst curses on god

[twilit lodge]

Simply get the boons and don’t get the curses

[rustic vale]

I was blinded by the blessing

[twilit lodge]

The sd shop item makes it so you heal more from sd instead

[daring comet]

wdym

based

[twilit lodge]

I mean, based CotL profile pic

I refuse to believe you don’t know what game your profile picture is from

Based just means goated

[daring comet]

ohh

ok

[rustic vale]

Doing some science to see how viable blizzard blades are on talos and blizzard blades doesn’t want to show up

When I say blizzard blades I am refering to freezing vortex

[twilit lodge]

Thanks for clarifying

[lean timber]

okay i'm assuming at this point you mean posideon special and only posideon special

[twilit lodge]

He means supersoaker Rama

Ok nvm he doesn’t have sea storm so it’s not super soaker

The part where you want to do any damage

[lean timber]

brrrrruuuu

brruuuuy

hhh

[rustic vale]

Uh

Me when I pick up a 2nd artemis boon on my hunt for freezing vortex talos and it’s hunting blades

Bruh

[twilit lodge]

Lmfao

Hunting blades talos

Duo desire sensor is real tho

[rustic vale]

It would be good but I want freezing vortex

[twilit lodge]

No you don’t

That’s just capitalism making you want things you don’t need

[rustic vale]

I literally want it

I got winters harvest before freezing vortex wtf

At least I’ll get to see dad get Voicelined™️

I literally just got sniper by asterius shockwave

rip my dd I was hoping to go deathless

Noooo no mirage shot in styx rip

It would’ve made my damage scale harder with arctic blast

[twilit lodge]

I like how frozen vortex is one of the few duos that has a decrease as the listed stat lol

Way to sell it

[rustic vale]

Freezing vortex not being compatible with hunting blades is so cringe

slicing shot is so annoying without hunting

[snow skiff]

I thought it got removed for being too op

[rustic vale]

I think it might be the only one?

Unless you count hangover intervals as a listed stat

wait smair decreasing max call charge

[twilit lodge]

Hangover intervals are decreased but since that’s a good thing it’s green colored

Smair and freezing vortex got that red text

[rustic vale]

Still a reduction to a listed stat though

[twilit lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/dont-trust-the-b-eyeroll-gif-3602523

[rustic vale]

[vital tapir]

merciful end reduces the time it takes for doom to activate 🧠

[rustic vale]

Why is ares your least favourite?

I think they key to a lot of enjoyment in this game is knowing how to build things

[twilit lodge]

Well I guess that settles it

[rustic vale]

Would explain myself better but my focus needs to be elsewhere rn

Was going to make a point about building doom and rifts and bow special

[latent moon]

I mean you can run with whatever until a certain heat point

But then again you can mess around with the pact to make it easier for said build

[rustic vale]

More than just that

It’s true

you can literally run anything up to wherever

[twilit lodge]

Odd flex

[latent moon]

Every build and aspect has a heat point where it can't pass

[rustic vale]

But it’ll go better if you have intent/know what you’re doing

[rustic vale]

Dc65 versus arthur

[latent moon]

Did rama 64 use arty strike

[rustic vale]

idk

[latent moon]

Based

[latent moon]

@lean timber

[twilit lodge]

C1 rocket eris

[latent moon]

Local rama person

[twilit lodge]

But I keep forgetting to actually attack also

[rustic vale]

That

Makes no sense

[lean timber]

no they use aphro for consistency

• immediate power instead of waiting for heart rend

also there is no 64 tama

*rama

yet anyway

some runners use shackle

[latent moon]

I thought rama was routed

Hell mode

It adds the 1 heat missing

[vital tapir]

hell

[latent moon]

Oh lmao

Personal liability

You don't become invulnerable when you take a large amount of damage really quickly

[vital tapir]

1/10000 to kill you instantly every chamber

still better game design than AP2!

[latent moon]

Which means you can get wombo comboed from 100 to 0 in 5 seconds sometimes

Well you still get the from dashes

If you eat a full splitter ball from Ely you'll see the bubble around you come out

[latent moon]

Yeah lmao ap2 sucks

[lean timber]

enjoy. you can only access it in hell mode

[latent moon]

Should rebalance other pact conditions for the last 5 heat

[lean timber]

need a new file

[latent moon]

Yep

[vital tapir]

AP1 is excusable because you still get a choice but it’s also really bad design

there’s a mod to switch your file to hell mode

[latent moon]

Make cp and js give 2 heat per level

That should be the last 5 right

[sly ridge]

i saw a guide online saying heightened security was harder than em

[latent moon]

For 1 heat it's pretty punishing

And it isn't taken until like

Close to 40

[sly ridge]

what do you mean by taken

[lean timber]

activated

it's left off until 40

[sly ridge]

whys that

[latent moon]

Because the dad pots hit you for 150

[lean timber]

because it's extremely punishing for no reason

[sly ridge]

oh.

[lean timber]

and it's only 1 heat

[latent moon]

There's easier 1 heat conditions to take

Hard labor, jury summons 1

[lean timber]

for reference, at 50+, 150 is an instant kill usually

[sly ridge]

oh god

[lean timber]

nice

[latent moon]

Oh yeah magma starts at 5 damage per tick and fairly certain it ramps up faster too

[lean timber]

it doesn't but it ticks straight to 10 which is suicide

[latent moon]

And since em2 isnt so bad on it's own, HS really shafts you there

[vital tapir]

the axes is styx do 150 too

em3 isn’t really too bad either

[latent moon]

I wouldn't know I didn't get hit by a HS Styx trap before lmao

[lean timber]

the lernie tax is 40% magma

[latent moon]

I mean yeah but there's no traps there so I didn't want to mention that

[lean timber]

on em2

[vital tapir]

yea i got ohkoed by an axe once and turned HS off instantly

[latent moon]

Lmfao

[lean timber]

that is how it works

[snow skiff]

ap2 isn't that bad

[lean timber]

they're 1 heat because they're not in every room/"they're traps just avoid them" but it's not that easy at 40+

[snow skiff]

not like pact was meant for a bunch of tryhards to go blowing up the heat meter anyway

[latent moon]

Yeah not for you

ME chamber 8 lookin ass

[snow skiff]

@lean timber thanks i tried that a couple times

[snow skiff]

cherry picked sample size

smh

[latent moon]

I stand by what I said

[snow skiff]

anyone can ap2 into early ME with enough resets

lmao

from a purely game design perspective ap2 is ok

[lean timber]

run time: 8m 21s
reset time: 13hr 43m 31s

[lean timber]

i think that ap2 is designed nicely. but God is it hellish. which is the point. lol

[snow skiff]

fr

[lean timber]

get them all

[snow skiff]

literally 95% of playtime resetting smh

[latent moon]

How are you getting an 8:21 with ap2 what kind of pact are you using to Speedrun lmfao

[lean timber]

modded gaming...?

[latent moon]

Acorn

[latent moon]

That really doesn't answer the question lmao

[lean timber]

yes it does anything is possible with modded because it's cheating

[latent moon]

Is there an 8:21 50 heat clear or something

Ik 50 heat is a speedrun category but that sounds incredibly low

[lean timber]

it's hypothetical banana it's an exaggeration

shush

[latent moon]

Shhh

[latent moon]

There's a 7:30 by ocaml wtf

At 50 heat

Wtaf

The next run is 9:10

[snow skiff]

shakle

[lean timber]

ocaml is cracked tho

so i've heard

[snow skiff]

7:30

Lol

he just got godly rng on an unmodded run

[latent moon]

This game is dumb

[lean timber]

o camel

lol!!!!

[latent moon]

The modded 50 clear is slower bruh

[twilit lodge]

Unmodded gaming 💪

[snow skiff]

yeah because the unmodded one got better free room luck

👍

[latent moon]

Just get the rooms

[twilit lodge]

Just mod the rooms

[snow skiff]

doing combat rooms matters even more at 50 heat

[lean timber]

just get the mods

[snow skiff]

and tbh there aren't a lot of 50 heat speedrunners

cause its just not that fun lol

[lean timber]

i will be one.

[snow skiff]

ok good luck with that

[lean timber]

do you not believe in me

[latent moon]

I would consider speedrunning 40 heat tbh

[twilit lodge]

Just room the boons

[snow skiff]

to be brutally honest no

[latent moon]

Lmfao

[snow skiff]

its not a you thing its a general thing

[twilit lodge]

Matty in shambles

[lean timber]

i'm broken

i've been stepped on too many times...

this... is my revenge arc...

[latent moon]

50 heat is such a pain and I've only done 8 runs of it

[twilit lodge]

Bump stock stock prices 📈

[latent moon]

Wtf like 80% of the modded 40 heat runs are ocke lmfao

[snow skiff]

50 freeat

[lean timber]

it's honestly a grind that i did enjoy. i just didn't complete a run. but once i get there i will continue running it, i really see myself doing it

[snow skiff]

like the challenge of beating 50 heat is fun

but then trying to run it is a pain in the ass

especially due to how low the consistency at that point can get

[lean timber]

true

it's true

[latent moon]

At 50 heat it's patty or death

[lean timber]

but i have a gambling addiction so...

[latent moon]

Imagine getting patty but then a 3 sack because unmodded and you lose because of that

[snow skiff]

untrue

58 heat chaos has no patty 🙃

just be good

[latent moon]

Looking at 40 heat modded I can totally get like last place on it and call it an accomplishment

There's only 11 places currently

[twilit lodge]

Just get strong drink 🧠

Wait that wouldn’t work anyway rip

[latent moon]

Lmao

Lc0 50 heat pact

[twilit lodge]

Just take em4 it’s free

[latent moon]

True

[latent moon]

To be fair it's a shield

[snow skiff]

what

are you sure you aren't looking at seeded

o nvm

[rustic vale]

Shackle

[latent moon]

Unseeded modded is 11 yeah lmao

[twilit lodge]

For which region?

[latent moon]

Time to start recording and be 12

[twilit lodge]

There’s no best keepsake for all 4 regions

Except shackle

[rustic vale]

Gotta love +100% when you don’t have a core in that slot

With all serious though I am a tad ironic

[latent moon]

except for the fact that every god boon you pick up will most of the time offer you an atk, special, or cast

[twilit lodge]

For general runs though, “best” keepsakes are god1 tart, god2 asphodel, acorn Elysium and Styx

[rustic vale]

Shackle being best keepsake is partially a meme

[twilit lodge]

God 1 being the first god you want to guarantee in your build and god2 being whatever you still need after Tartarus

[rustic vale]

acorn and pom are good

Well

Pom is only good if you have like one boon and that one boon is a hangover boon

[twilit lodge]

Pom is cute but to make the most use of it you put yourself at the mercy of rng for god pool

[latent moon]

my shackle beo run wouldve put me in 11th place lmfao

not last

[snow skiff]

Seeded 40 heat wr is free btw

[latent moon]

idk how to seed stuff

[rustic vale]

for tartarus and asphodel you 100% want to force a god for your build in

[snow skiff]

Seeded just means you don't show your death at the beginning of the recording

Lbs make no distinction between routed and seeded

[latent moon]

wait really is that it

[rustic vale]

True

[latent moon]

wait that's so based

[rustic vale]

I shouldn’t have said asphodel

[latent moon]

i can get like a 1 hour wr for 40 seeded

[rustic vale]

I was thinking that to a while mack

[twilit lodge]

60:60.000 wr

[rustic vale]

just gonna go beat seeded 32 hades spear because who tf is seeding 32 heat hades spear

[latent moon]

do 40 heat

[rustic vale]

It’s probably got no one in it

[latent moon]

skill issue

[twilit lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/very-difficult-no-way-not-going-to-happen-diagnosis-prognosis-gif-18749342

[sly ridge]

man i feel bad now cuz im only on 10 heat

[latent moon]

there's 1

[rustic vale]

Lets go if I did 32 heat hades spear seeded I would have wr

[latent moon]

seeded unmodded is 9:14

[rustic vale]

Speedrun.com says no runs?

[twilit lodge]

Don’t feel bad, there’s lots of people here who only play on 9 heat

[latent moon]

huh what

[twilit lodge]

[sly ridge]

yeah but im using god mode

[rustic vale]

You’re looking at unseeded

[sly ridge]

yeah

[rustic vale]

[sly ridge]

i sucked

a lot

[rustic vale]

Turn it off smh

[twilit lodge]

Mod your game to be hell mode

[latent moon]

oh bruh i swear i clicked seeded

[twilit lodge]

Can you god mode hell mode?

Lmfao

[sly ridge]

no

[rustic vale]

speedrunners run 9 heat because it’s faster than 0 heat

[twilit lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-the-joke-ranier-wolfcastle-mc-bain-the-simpsons-stand-up-comedy-gif-4372917

Turn on god mode then mod save to hell mode

[latent moon]

my last run was a sub10 chaos shield run lol

[twilit lodge]

Boom I just solved 64 heat

[sly ridge]

wdym by modded

[rustic vale]

Just turn off hellmode and don’t suck ez

[sly ridge]

isnt that just kinda unfair tho

[rustic vale]

Speedrun modpack lessens rng so it’s more skill based

[twilit lodge]

what’s a vorime

[rustic vale]

It’s a whole seperate speedrun category

[twilit lodge]

It shows profile for me

Skill issue

[rustic vale]

It lessens rng so it’s more skillbased and it’s a seperate speedrun category than unmodded so there is no unfairnesss

[twilit lodge]

Rude ping

[rustic vale]

It actually lessens unfairness because it makes it more skill based by lessening rng

[sly ridge]

wouldnt it take more skill if you had bad rng tho

[rustic vale]

Show me your sub0 escape

[sly ridge]

who said i would

[rustic vale]

no?

Reducing the rng increases the amount of skill

because it’s less about the boons and more about the player

Forgetting to show death animation isn’t a skill

/j

1

[sly ridge]

ima get back to my em4 run

[rustic vale]

the upgrade that lets you switch keepsakes between biomes is good because you can use it to force gods into your pool and switch off of god keepsakes into say acorn or spear point

Ez

You shouldn’t have a problem then

[twilit lodge]

I now know what getting vorimed is

And I hate when it happens

[sly ridge]

if i turn it off

will i have to regrind for the full 80%

[twilit lodge]

God mode he means

[sly ridge]

like if i turn off godmode

and turn it back on later on

[twilit lodge]

Nobody here knows the answer lmao

[sly ridge]

would i have to re get it

[rustic vale]

No
You’ll never need to because you’ll never need to turn it back on

[latent moon]

when you get bad rng (barge, bull miniboss, tiny vermin, 5 sack) and die to tight deadline, it's not a skill issue

[rustic vale]

But also just no I’m pretty sure progress on godmode stays

[sly ridge]

you guys expect wayyy too much from me playing this ngl

[twilit lodge]

Bull miniboss is apparently part of the speed run mod pack

[rustic vale]

I’m pretty sure that progress will stay but just don’t turn it back on

[twilit lodge]

Or was

[sly ridge]

i suck balls at this game

lol

[latent moon]

i mean you reset when that happens
if you play modded you just wont have those issues

[twilit lodge]

Replacing butterfly ball

[rustic vale]

Get better by taking off all your heat(lowering the difficulty)
And then taking off god mode(getting you off of godmode)

[sly ridge]

id rather enjoy myself the way it is

[twilit lodge]

Do your godmode runs end at mostly full health?

[rustic vale]

Why are you adding heat instead of turning off god mode

[sly ridge]

bounties

[lean timber]

absolutely is

[rustic vale]

Either way you’re making the game more difficult it’s just one is gonna increase your skill better no?

[lean timber]

i am currently shoplifting

[rustic vale]

I wouldn’t be able to play the game with good conscience knowing I was willingly choosing to ease the game by taking 1/5 of the damage as normal

[twilit lodge]

How you gonna shoplift a tv from Walmart smh

[lean timber]

with my hands

[rustic vale]

when are you gonna get that tv matty

[latent moon]

where's your 50 heat buddy

[rustic vale]

And he’s going to get a 20% discount to walmart afterwards

[sly ridge]

well luckily, i dont have that conscience

[latent moon]

also why are y'all telling Aspid to take off god mode let them play the game the way they want to

[lean timber]

just did

[rustic vale]

Idk

[latent moon]

using god mode and increasing heat are 2 different forms of difficulty

[lean timber]

i was pretty close don't talk like i wasn't nothin ‼️

[latent moon]

unless you're solely increasing HL and then that's a different story

[latent moon]

lmao ik

[rustic vale]

Pushing a baby bird off out of a nest to watch them fall and die rather than fly

[twilit lodge]

Godmode hl5 💪

[rustic vale]

Exactly

[latent moon]

homie the type of person to throw a baby into a pool to teach them how to swim

[lean timber]

normalize pushing babies into pools

[rustic vale]

I literally teach people how to swim as my job

[twilit lodge]

Normalize deleting pool ladders

[latent moon]

have you thrown any babies into pools

[rustic vale]

And as such I can guarantee that the best way to teach people to swim is to push them into the deep end and have them drown /j

[rustic vale]

Maybe…

[latent moon]

nice

[rustic vale]

Not on the job of course

[snow skiff]

Thanks

[sly ridge]

up until this point ive been increasing heat to grind bounties

[snow skiff]

Roguelikes have many different approaches to them

[sly ridge]

only reason i have 10 is cuz i wanna see what it does to hades for em4

[snow skiff]

Yours isn't the only way, nor is it the objective best

[sly ridge]

i have already beat hades with all the weapons 0 heat

id be getting no bounties from that

🗿

[twilit lodge]

They’re closed during winter wdym

[sly ridge]

sir/ma'am how do you think ive gotten all the aspects by now

[rustic vale]

I think that as a practical skill you’ll be using in your everyday life you should learn how to not have a skissue with Hades Aspid

[sly ridge]

literally none of this is convincing me

how do i do that on switch

[rustic vale]

switch gamer

Yeah

I’m a switch gamer

It’s very sad

[lean timber]

switch gaming

[sly ridge]

all im saying is that i just wanna enjoy the game on god mode

[rustic vale]

How about I put it this way:
All the cool kids don’t use godmode
I think that should be more convincing

True

[snow skiff]

Bruh

[lean timber]

stop being mean

god mode is fine

[snow skiff]

Fr

[rustic vale]

I’m a pirate I sail the seven seas

[lean timber]

okay well

[rustic vale]

It’s not fine why do you need it zag is already a god he doesn’t need to be a god^2

[lean timber]

that's different

[snow skiff]

common occurrence of tree trying to be an elitist in a game that he sucks at

[rustic vale]

Hmm

I wonder

[sly ridge]

now if you'll excuse me

[rustic vale]

Bye bye Aspid

[sly ridge]

im gonna go abuse the lucifer super soaker

[rustic vale]

Based 👍

[snow skiff]

What's my address then

[sly ridge]

i still have yet to try rama

in an actual run

[lean timber]

308 negro arroya ln

run rama immediately

[rustic vale]

God rama build is super soaker but with pos special instead

[snow skiff]

I leaked it before shouldn't be that hard to find

[sly ridge]

ok goodbye hades discussion chat

[rustic vale]

Goodbye Aspid 👍

[twilit lodge]

Bye

[rustic vale]

Can I call you Aspid or would you prefer Primal Aspid

[lean timber]

someone was talking abt it

[snow skiff]

Ok north carolina

[rustic vale]

I literally saw it in victory screens earlier

[twilit lodge]

It’s negra 👀

[snow skiff]

Super soaker rama is just budget special only rama tbh.

[lean timber]

oh it was you! then yeah you're the only one that committed to the bit lol

the

[rustic vale]

Cshot makes shield a potential super soaker

[snow skiff]

Dire Ramisfortune is unaruably

[twilit lodge]

Give me 5 dollars and tor

[rustic vale]

Ok Dave McDave 1234567

[snow skiff]

Dire ramisfortune is for certified gamers only

[twilit lodge]

Yeah but your SSN isn’t

[rustic vale]

Zeus special != a super soaker

[snow skiff]

Zeus tempest flourish

[twilit lodge]

Chiron Poseidon special is a super soaker!!!

[snow skiff]

absolutely talos.

[twilit lodge]

Shackle Chiron with pos special

[rustic vale]

Potential supersoakers:
Cshot any shield
Flurry shot bows
Rama special
Kinetic launcher
Explosive launcher/guan-yu special
Non-hidden Rail attack
Lucifer attack

In my opinion anyways

[twilit lodge]

Shackle for the atk smdh

Why do you have non hidden rail attack and Lucifer attack listed separately lmao

To buff the attack

[rustic vale]

they’re seperate

[twilit lodge]

Pos special keeps them away from you so you can attack

Big damage!!!

Get sniper shot and perfect shot

[rustic vale]

My pb for bow rn is running chiron like discount zag bow

Rama… infact… cannot get that hammer

[rustic vale]

Because they are different

[twilit lodge]

My pb for bow (and in general til my last run) was running Chiron like Chiron

[rustic vale]

L

0 completed discount zag bow runs

Well actually hera is also discount zagbow @lean timber

Nah rama is also discount zag bow

Every bow other than zag bow is discount zag bow

[twilit lodge]

Zag spear is just zag bow without the crit chance

[rustic vale]

copypasta

If you want it to be hard enough

They are kinda debatable though

[twilit lodge]

Mid soaker

[rustic vale]

Sounds like someone lacks determination

[snow skiff]

Flurry slash piercing wave red swift strike supersoaker

[rustic vale]

Not a super soaker because the projectile doesn’t do the pushing

[rustic vale]

You forgot zag sword

Unfortunately piercing wave doesn’t carry the effects of your attack boon

[snow skiff]

Thats lame as hell

Extending flurry jab kinda supersoaker

[rustic vale]

it’s just 30 damage that gets affected by global %

Extending flurry kinda but also not really a projectile

pos attack flurry shot hera with pos cast as well 😳

[snow skiff]

Society if piercing wave took your attack modifiers

[rustic vale]

Speedrun sword meta if piercing wave took your attack modifiers and shot twice with dedge 🚀

[lean timber]

i'm literally going to block you so you can't ping me

[rustic vale]

No matty

Please

[snow skiff]

Whaat

[rustic vale]

I won’t ping you

[snow skiff]

It shoots once with dedge?

I've been double scammed

[rustic vale]

I’m 99% sure it only shoots once with dedge

With every waking second that % is diminishing

[lean timber]

it does

[rustic vale]

If matty blocks me I’ll be very sad

[lean timber]

i think

hush child

[snow skiff]

Please don't block me

[rustic vale]

Hush child? Who’s the switch gamer here? 🤨

Oh wait both of us

Slash jay

[twilit lodge]

Switch gang

[lean timber]

they're good... he's more, situational, you could say

[rustic vale]

hangover is not worse doom wdym

[lean timber]

his tier 1s are great honestly. after party, strong drink, etc., he has a lot of great bonuses

[rustic vale]

Hangover scales excellently with poms and with its duos

It isn’t worse doom in the slightest

They work very differently

Doom is only better if you have merciful end

And ddash unless you’re zeus shield

it requires 4 boons (5 if you include impending doom) to be good

hangover will work fine without it’s duos

[swift inlet]

• poms + reflex/hyper delivery

[rustic vale]

I would stress the word fine there

[swift inlet]

Hangover just wants poms and global damage

[rustic vale]

Low tolerance and curse of nauseau is just more ways for it to scale

[swift inlet]

It benefits a good bit from some duos but not a must have at all

And you don't need more ways to scale if you just have rd or eris ez

[rustic vale]

But it likes it if you have those ways

[swift inlet]

Yeah

Especially bc they're both multiplicative

[rustic vale]

Other than that… dio’s tier 2’s can be good, his duos are mostly focused on his own stuff, hangover or trippy flare/shot

[swift inlet]

I forgot the exact value for nausea but tolerance is basically a 60% damage increase

[rustic vale]

Tolerance is 60% damage increase

CoN is 37.5% increase

[swift inlet]

Basically because you don't always have 8 stacks up unless you're on delta chamber or smth

Or bossing

Or chiron

[rustic vale]

Ricochet fire eris with hangover

Who needs lightning strike when ricochet fire

[rustic vale]

So long as it doesn’t hit for a 4th extra time which I think it doesn’t specifically because the timer is .35 and not .33

When hermes forces his way into your build even though you already have 4 gods in your pool

/j

[latent moon]

dio is a really good god

good support boons and hangover is really strong

[lean timber]

that's the word i'm always looking for lol support. yes his supporting boons are extremely helpful

[brisk trail]

Is spear triple dash strike worth ut

[safe tinsel]

The one that gives bonus damage for fountains in rly good

I got like 20% once

[acoustic bolt]

ugh just lost a flurry jab zag spear run that already had splitting bolt and tidal dash and just needed to find sea storm

it's my fault for not just going achilles

[latent moon]

yeah it's pretty good

every time i've gotten it before styx in high heat i've purged it tho lmfao

[buoyant harbor]

Yes it's pretty solid.

[lean timber]

get it in tart and get it upgraded to heroic in asphodel

29% damage goes moderately hard

[brisk trail]

imo
sword- arthur
spear- achilles
shield- zeus
bow- rama
fists- demeter
rail- eris

tier lists can be very subjective

also, I wouldn't pay attention to them anyway

play whatever you find fun

https://imgur.com/deh0EQ8

[raw herald]

Tier list for what?

Having fun?

Going fast

High heat etc

[buoyant harbor]

For me it's:
Sword - Nemesis
Spear - Achiles
Shield - Beowulf
Bow - Chiron
Fists - Demeter
Rail - Lucifer

But like, "best" is extremely subjective obviously. There's worlds between "fastest", "easiest", and "most fun".

[short glen]

You need to beat hades and then do runs with the weapon until you get certain dialogue options

[short glen]

This. A lot of people really need to remember that for most people the best weapon is the one they have the most fun with.

[buoyant harbor]

Just putting out there that you could just disable hellfire without activating god mode '^^

other than
I think it doesn't do anything other than that.

[lean timber]

you cannot disable hell mode. lol

[buoyant harbor]

I was not aware of that.

[lean timber]

once it's on for a given file it's on, no way to take it off

of course, you can use mods to do it, but i don't use mods and never will

but vanilla game does not let you remove it

[raw herald]

It adds a new pact, personal liability, which removes the invul bubble you get when you take a ton of damage at once

[lean timber]

do you have a source for your claim

[rustic vale]

It gives you personal liability as well something that ain’t on the regular pact of punishment

[rustic vale]

It looks like the boss bubbles but on zag

Also that’s based as hell never playing normal mode

[stiff pike]

Tiny vermin encounter : 2

[cyan crown]

What's the best cast in the game

Also i have triple beam with me rn on Luci what else do i look out for

[swift inlet]

This is why you can't break sub 9

[lean timber]

i'm going to assault you

literally

[swift inlet]

I think I had a sub 9 unmodded but I did a lot of grinding

[lean timber]

this is a credible threat

[swift inlet]

If you're busy then grinding the rng out is hell

Just play modded

[swift inlet]

Too bad you have excruciating assault and now every time you attack you take damage

• 64 heat pact

[lean timber]

i actually got excrutiating shot in my last run lol

i love excrutiating

[twilit lodge]

Zoing

[lean timber]

flurry shot excrutiating

[rustic vale]

Excrutiating flurry fire rail

[latent moon]

No

Zeus shield tempest flourish is probably the best you can do tho

[twilit lodge]

Talos fist is supersucker

[old belfry]

pssst

hey, kid

talos is based

[lean timber]

ratio

[lean timber]

just like me fr fr

[rustic vale]

In my opinion potential supersoakers are:
Cshot any shield
Flurry shot bows
Rama special
Kinetic launcher
Explosive launcher/guan-yu special
Non-hidden Rail attack
Lucifer attack

what are your thoughts

[latent moon]

Only luci lol

[rustic vale]

I mean I think they could all be like water guns

Not exactly super soakers but waterguns still

[latent moon]

Off brand super soakers you found at a thrift store lol

[rustic vale]

👍

[rotund galleon]

ok I got Chaos theme, now what do I do

Heat 32?

I feel lost

[lean timber]

sure! lol

[swift inlet]

Do it

[old belfry]

32heat chaos run

with chaos theme

and chaos egg

c3

[rotund galleon]

maybe I'll keep using whatever weapon dark thirst gives

try to reach 32l ike that

[snow skiff]

i think i broke something

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/523766637757726722/1026932431095341076/unknown.png

[twilit lodge]

Seems normal

[random pilot]

do attack buffs apply to dash strikes?

[latent moon]

yes unless it's a hammer

[snow skiff]

its a case by case basis

most of the time yeah

[latent moon]

hammers are specifically either atk or dstrike, it'll tell you

for the most part at least anyways

[twilit lodge]

Dash strikes do a reduced amount tho it’s worth keeping in mind

But you still always wanna be dstriking

[latent moon]

dstrikes is way better than the standing combo anyway

[raw herald]

rail dash strike is 10 as well

[random pilot]

i just added serrated attack for spear

[twilit lodge]

ABD

[random pilot]

wanna know if chaos affects it

[lean timber]

looks to be your average zero heat run

[twilit lodge]

Only 13 DDs smh

Back in my day

[latent moon]

chaos atk boons benefit dstrikes

and chaos dstrike boons dont affect the actual attack combo ofc

[twilit lodge]

Are the chaos dstrike boons a higher value?

[latent moon]

i think so?

[twilit lodge]

Or just pointlessly dstrike only

Based