h1-discussion

[polar marsh]

Ye gotta buy it now which is ok cause its a good game

[dreamy patrol]

Helo

[safe tinsel]

Heloo

[wheat coral]

Very interesting about the diversity of Hades and how none of the Greek gods in media are ever Greek:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9S83Xmuq4A

It's a bit long (2:20:00), but I think it's very fair and well-argued

[devout terrace]

who cares about diversity

just play the game

I don't look at a game and say "oh I dont see x person of this culture or this skin colour"

[high island]

I do. If a fighting game only has 3 female characters out of 20+, I ain't gonna bother, for example.

[raw herald]

If the game is fun, I’ll play it

If the game isn’t fun, I won’t

Simple as that

[devout terrace]

what kinda logic is this

[strong ridge]

2hrs & 20 minutes to say that they wish the characters were different xd

fr tho i can see how it could be disappointing for greeks to see their heritage not reflect themself

[wheat coral]

I mean, he does get a lot said in that time

[devout terrace]

if we're saying that gender/skin colour/culture doesnt matter(in a racism is dumb argument) then why does it matter to argue about those things

you are making those things an issue which makes them more prevelant as a result

[high island]

If that's what you want to believe. Not interested in having an argument about that.

[wheat coral]

If a piece of media casts a canonically Greek cast as 80% white and the rest still not Greek, that's an issue, no?

I don't think not talking about how Greek gods are always cast as white people will make people cast more white people as Greek gods

[devout terrace]

what do you think a greek person really looks like

I mean thats what this comes down to

hermes is asian, athena and ares are black, dio is black and a couple other characters arent white

why does it matter

[strong ridge]

dusa is green

[devout terrace]

would you say that those characters(or any other white characters) suffer as a result of not being 'ethnically greek'(which again is subjective)

[wheat coral]

All of them are voiced by white people, and he specifically talks about how Dio is the worst offender at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9S83Xmuq4A&t=4746s

[wheat coral]

I think whitewashing makes art worse, yes

[devout terrace]

what are you even saying

[wheat coral]

If you're actually interested in discussing this, the video does a way better job arguing the point than what I do. Take a few days to watch a little at a time. 🤷

[devout terrace]

okay hear me out

[strong ridge]

0% chance i watch a feature length Youtube video when my courses just started

[wheat coral]

Send me a DM when you've watched the video and we can have a lovely conversation about it

[devout terrace]

so you know how the majority of people that play action games are men, and also white(thats the demographic) which is why we see many straight white protagonists in gaming

companies appeal to that

this is also why we see attractive female(or in this game both sexes) characters that are love interests

if you want to change what game companies appeal to you would have to change the demographic

and good luck with that

https://youtu.be/g09vQAQmYM8 I would highly highly recommend you watch this video

[wheat coral]

No, all we have to do is expect smaller studios like Supergiant to make good art, which they have always done and will continue to do

[red coral]

Hey gang, I’m calling for an official topic change as a mod

We could spend hours on this and it is absolutely something worth keeping in mind when engaging in media

But for now let’s set this aside, thank you all

[wheat coral]

For sure

Is the video still cool to discuss, or should we drop that too?

[red coral]

For the sake of moving on let’s put aside the video as well, I think offering to move to DMs was definitely the right call 👍

[wheat coral]

Okay!

[rustic vale]

Why is there no long sword hammer for sword smh ssg

[signal aspen]

would be too good

[rustic vale]

Like long knuckle for fist but for sword

[red coral]

I know a long sword is an actual weapon but for a brief moment I thought of just a comically long sword

Just goes off the screen long

[mint coral]

Arthis but longer

[rustic vale]

That’s what I mean

[red coral]

OH lol

[rustic vale]

comically long sword

[red coral]

They did t put one in the game bc Zag couldn’t get it out the window

[strong ridge]

tbh i wish there was dobl barrel shotgun in game

[signal aspen]

i wish they put a fists weapon in hades

[strong ridge]

zagreus of zagreus weapon

[mint coral]

Rip

[high island]

Bruh.

[high island]

Because Zagreus is our hero, so he gets Cloud's Ultima Weapon rather than Sephiroth's Masamune. https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/finalfantasy/images/a/a6/UltimaWeapon-ffvii-cloud.png/revision/latest?cb=20120402225414 https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/hades_gamepedia_en/images/b/b7/Arthur_Aspect_Sword.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/239?cb=20210417071448

[signal aspen]

still waiting for fortnite x hades collab

[pastel monolith]

i had to buy hades rip gamepass

[high island]

We basically have that already, but instead of putting Hades in a game with guns, they put a gun in Hades.

[pastel monolith]

too addicted to hades still

[lean timber]

call of duty is a cheap fortnite knockoff

[tepid light]

I had a dream where the weapon aspects actually changed in appearance as you upgraded them

Was a nice dream

[lean timber]

why is einstein muted lmao

[tepid light]

who?

[lean timber]

feather duster

best keepsake

[tepid light]

evidently the mods don't agree

about their opinion on feather duster

[lean timber]

mod abuse is literally everywhere

even in hadescord

[tepid light]

hades nuts

[lean timber]

well now that i'm the only one here i can discuss zag sword supremacy freely

[strong ridge]

i disagree

[lean timber]

you aren't real

[strong ridge]

you dont know that

[short glen]

Are the mutes connected to why there's just like 3 "drop the topic of Aphrodite" in one of the rooms with no Aphrodite discussion?
(Moved to a more fitting room than art LMAO)

[quaint wind]

that's not a discussion for this board

we do read these channeks everyone

[strong ridge]

hades discord at night is more fitting

[short glen]

What?

[rustic vale]

[red coral]

Hey! So, we can’t and won’t disclose why members were muted. At the end of the day they are still valued members of our community.

Disclosing details would not be respectful to anyone involved.

[rustic vale]

Hmm

Neat

[rustic vale]

Zag sword supremacy 💪💪💪

[snow skiff]

Aspectless sword clears honestly

[rustic vale]

Pos sword = aspectless

I should try to get another zag sword + swift strike + flurry strike + piercing wave game

Rng reliant but it’s possible

And funny

[snow skiff]

Piercing wave 💪

[rustic vale]

Only sad part about piercing wave is not shooting 2 waves if you have dedge

[snow skiff]

What really

piercing wave has internal cooldown

[rustic vale]

Probably more like on button press or something

[rich gulch]

I love a good controversy.

[rustic vale]

Don’t think it’s internal cooldown but idk I haven’t looked at game files

I’m fairly certain it only fires one wave with dedge

[pastel monolith]

anyone else buy hades bc its not on gamepass anymore

its the third time ive bought it technically bc i have gifted it to 2 ppl on steam before

luckily its only like 30 bucks

[latent moon]

there's probably plenty of people who bought it after it was removed from gamepass

[rich gulch]

You know I've noticed that I don't seem to get the jerky the jerky to up special damage at all anymore in the well

[strong ridge]

youre just looking for it more

[rustic vale]

I find complaining about rng in here fixes my rng problems

[rich gulch]

I don't think that's it. I genuinely haven't gotten it for about 30 runs at least I'd say. Same as the nail for extra damage against armour, or the item that removes flamewheels.

[rustic vale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/795659377755422742/1015504860067667978/IMG_2139.jpg

I feel like I’m playing trippy beo with how everything is just dying

[rich gulch]

I like how for a build where I'm only keeping one boon on special, I have only gotten two boons (and barely any besides) total for the god in question, and I'm almost finished with Elysium

[tepid light]

question: how does rama's shared suffering work with dot's like hangover?

[rustic vale]

it doesn't

it's only the attacks damage

[latent moon]

i think it's just the atk that gets the damage, doesn't include flat damage on top of that

putting flat damage on rama atk kinda sus tho

[rustic vale]

just like how if you have lightning strike and +% attack it doesn't increase lightning strike damage

[tepid light]

well what i'm trying out here is hangover on the special, not on the attack

[rustic vale]

oh

[latent moon]

shared suffering only affects the atk

[rustic vale]

it spreads the hangover around

[tepid light]

since it's a low-damage high-hit attack, seems good for hangover

[latent moon]

oh you mean that way lmao

yeah

any sort of flat damage is good for the special

zeus, dio, ares

[tepid light]

well no i mean like
if an enemy has shared suffering on it, and another enemy is getting affected by hangover stacks
will the first enemy also take periodic damage

seems the answer is no, though

[rustic vale]

the only damage that shared suffer cares about

is your attack

[tepid light]

yeah that's fair

the build still works fine, since i have both dot and burst damage

but i was curious about that

oh hey, i finally got the artemis dionysus duo boon

took long enough

looks pretty fun to use too

[latent moon]

arty atk dio special?

[tepid light]

yep

[latent moon]

nice

[tepid light]

with divine dash too

because obvs

[latent moon]

should try hunter's dash next time

[tepid light]

hunter's dash is nice esp. on bow, but i see divine dash i take divine dash

it's just too convenient

[latent moon]

that's fair lol

[snow skiff]

Splitting headache kinda sux

[lean timber]

idk man as

[tepid light]

u sux

[latent moon]

splitting headache kinda decent on chiron

[rustic vale]

splitting headache decent when have low tolerance

and heart rend

[latent moon]

duo is good if you get two other duos lmao

[snow skiff]

Splitting headache cringe and unreliable

[lean timber]

the tria duo

[snow skiff]

Barely better than a pp

[tepid light]

you're cringe and unreliable

[latent moon]

i mean you typically dont build into it but if you see it, depending on the build it might not be bad

also 450 gold is nice

[snow skiff]

True that's headache best use case

[tepid light]

it's working pretty nicely so far given that i can constantly keep an enemy at 5 hangover stacks, and i have artemis strike

[snow skiff]

I guarantee it would work out exactly the same way without the duo

[tepid light]

i guess my point is that it's nice to have and certainly makes things go quicker, if only a little

oh hey, calculated risk as well

thanks, divine dash

[latent moon]

every time i've picked up calculated risk it throws me off so much lmao

[tepid light]

yeah, it messes up your reactions a bit lol

[latent moon]

at one point it messed me up badly i just sold it

[lean timber]

calculated risk is amazing i've used it one (1) time and it made my run so much better

[tepid light]

but once you get used to it, it's pretty nice

esp. with divine dash

[signal aspen]

ive picked up like twice

didnt do much tbh

[snow skiff]

Kinda hard to get used to a duo youll only get once in a while

But hey 400 obols

[latent moon]

heck yeah buddy

[tepid light]

amb i'm beginning to think we have very different approaches to the game

[strong ridge]

w/o divine dash calc risk can create scenarios you wish not having known

[lean timber]

such as: making you sexy, causing you to instaphase hades, etc.

[snow skiff]

Absolutely

That's the beauty of roguelikes though isn't it

[tepid light]

Yeee

[lean timber]

no i think everyone should be forced to play the exact same way

[tepid light]

fortunately in most situations the only athena boon i have is divine dash

[signal aspen]

idk man as

[strong ridge]

cloner speeder witches can make the entire map projectiles with calc risk

[latent moon]

oh god i haven't thought of that before

that sounds splendid

[tepid light]

god that's fun when it happens

[lean timber]

have fun getting calculated risk in tartarus tho

[strong ridge]

elysium witches exist

[lean timber]

ratio

[strong ridge]

idk if they’re called witches

[dreamy patrol]

Fax

[strong ridge]

but they’re witches

[snow skiff]

Splitters

[lean timber]

they're called spreaders

[strong ridge]

same thing basically

[lean timber]

wait

[snow skiff]

Spreaders are aspho

[lean timber]

oh ok

[dreamy patrol]

I aint even know

[snow skiff]

They're all just witch variants anyway

[strong ridge]

they squishy and make balls of death

[dreamy patrol]

Theyre all witches

[mint coral]

witches, triple shot witches, big orb witches

[dreamy patrol]

Hehehe balls

[latent moon]

i do love getting slapped by 60 damage instantly

[lean timber]

their hatred gives them an extra 500hp i swear

[snow skiff]

Penta shot witches

[dreamy patrol]

FACTS

[lean timber]

more like 20, then 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10 that you can't dash out of unless your timing is better than a just frame reaction

[latent moon]

yeah but point still stands

big ball hurt

[snow skiff]

Just don't walk into the balls

[signal aspen]

pl free until it isnt

[snow skiff]

Every pact is free if you don't get hit

[strong ridge]

holy shield is budget PL

[lean timber]

i love walking into balls...

[strong ridge]

god bless

[tepid light]

hades is an easy game if you don't get hit

[snow skiff]

Every game with a health bar is easy if you just don't take damage

Tbh

[strong ridge]

health is a resource

[tepid light]

ur mom is a resource

[signal aspen]

what you mean by that

[strong ridge]

ur mom treats me like ares ; )

[snow skiff]

I use ur mom daily

Make with that how u will

Bruh i really wanted to make talos 50 with black out work but i might just have to run ME

Cringe

[high island]

There's a lot of high heat chat here lately instead of #h1-high-heat-strategies.

[snow skiff]

Does high heat not count as general discussion

[signal aspen]

no

[strong ridge]

why for

[high island]

Probably depends on how extended the discussion is, but we got the high heat channel in part because high heat chat can be pretty intimidating for other players.

[snow skiff]

Hm

I guess

[rich gulch]

Why would we be coddling other players?

It seems counter-intuitive for fostering a more challenge-positive mindset when it comes to taking on more difficult pact arrangements.

[strong ridge]

not everyone wants/can to push to even 32

[latent moon]

i dont think people who can barely beat 8 heat want to hear people complain about 50 heat

[high island]

Players who do silly builds with maxed god mode and have no interest in challenges are as welcome here as anyone else.

[tepid light]

Because new/newer players aren't going to be doing difficult pact arrangements right out of the gate.

If you're new at Hades (which is a challenging game in general) and you come here for advice on basic mechanics/enemy strategies only to get a lot of recommendations about things you haven't even done yet or be told that you can 'only' use certain aspects or weapons, it's natural that you're going to feel intimidated or confused.

[rich gulch]

I've never regarded learning as intimidating, but fair enough.

[tepid light]

Yes, at 50 heat, it's probably true that only a few aspects will consistently get you results, but a new player should be allowed to experiment and toy with aspects and weapons as much as they want.

[latent moon]

learning about 50 heat strats isn't gonna exactly help someone with 5 heat

[high island]

Something to always keep in mind in communities is who are the members who aren't chatting and why aren't they chatting.

[rich gulch]

Perhaps they lack digits with which to convey their thoughts? But no, it's all fair. I'm just musing here for my own amusement. Sorry everyone.

[tepid light]

Nothing to apologize about, it's just a point that needs to be made in general

[high island]

If we talk at length about 50+ Heat and what's easy/difficult from our perspective, there's people who just aren't gonna chat even though they want to chat about Hades.

[rich gulch]

I guess one of the thoughts that's been mulling in my head is why it didn't seem to me, at least from what I've found, that high heats can't be fun also, at least in the 16-45 ranges. As you guys yourselves have stated, only a fraction play 16 and furthermore beyond 32.

Playing at the heat I normally do which is around 35 normally, the base game seems much too slow. But maybe most players have only played it insofar as completing the main story. Which I think is a pity given the extra content and replayability/build variety.

[latent moon]

i mean high heat is fun, which is why we go that high

it's just that some need more time to get to that point

[high island]

Vast majority of players have no interest in getting into high heat anyway.

[tepid light]

Well, none of us were saying that high heats can't be fun; the point is moreso that everyone starts somewhere, and everyone at some point began struggling against basic enemies and the Furies and the like.

The ideal, perhaps, is that eventually everyone can/will get to a point where they're good enough at the game that they can do high heat stuff and participate actively in high heat discussion, but if they're given the wrong impression at the very start of their Hades career, then that isn't likely to happen.

[devout terrace]

High heats can't be fun

[tepid light]

Banned

[latent moon]

true high heat is not fun

[strong ridge]

some ppl just dont want to do high heat...its not lesser to think so

[high island]

It's like you enjoy playing basketball with your friends, you enjoy watching the NBA maybe, but you're not trying to get into the NBA.

[signal aspen]

people who play basket ball arent trying to beat lebron james??????

[pastel monolith]

playing on forced overtime for a while has made me so much better overall

[latent moon]

speak for yourself buddy my goal is to absolutely dunk on him

[tepid light]

dad dead
rama is such a strong aspect

[high island]

Rama gud.

[pastel monolith]

trying to get used to stubborn defiance had made me realize is suck at EM4

i need more than 1 dd

[signal aspen]

stubborn defiance + em4 = bad combo

[pastel monolith]

yep

[rich gulch]

I should note that I never really play games often, especially nowadays so I thought that there's a steady variability in difficulty that players take on, thus with a game that has a cycle like Hades, you slowly get better till you reach the higher levels of play. Maybe it's just me, I really get into the process.

I take it most folks just play for casual fun?

[latent moon]

yeah

[signal aspen]

i play for my massive ego

[pastel monolith]

tried a few runs last night.. barely got hit except for the heros fight.. but kepd dying at em4

[rich gulch]

That's also somewhat amusing since one game that Hades is often equated to is Doom, and it's funny to me to imagine playing the Doom games to relax from work.

[tepid light]

oh yeah don't ever play em4 with stubborn defiance

You really need all the tools you can get for EM4

[strong ridge]

em4 is sdable

[tepid light]

in theory, yes

but realistically

it's absolutely awful to try doing it with just one dd

[snow skiff]

U just cheese it with an op build

[signal aspen]

ive done it but im top 1 best hades players in the world

[snow skiff]

Top 1 worst honestly

[signal aspen]

frfr

[tepid light]

is that what you tell yourself at night when you're crying into your pillow

[signal aspen]

yeah

i mean no

[rich gulch]

I managed 40 heat with it once but I guess it doesn't count when dad was getting swamped by lasers.

[snow skiff]

I'm top 1 best hades player in my house

💪

[latent moon]

heck yeah buddy

but bold of you to assume i dont live in your walls

[high island]

Effective strategy definitely counts.

[pastel monolith]

im pretty good at hades.. not great but.. pretty good..
just bc ive played so much

[snow skiff]

You would've moved out a long time ago having to deal with my family

[latent moon]

true

i've been caught

[devout terrace]

Imagine having to move out(Got kicked out for being trans)

[rich gulch]

I think what I like about high heat stuff is that since every mistake has severe consequences, coming on top feels so much more raw. The whole game's premise is about overcoming impossible odds, so it just fits perfectly, from the enemies to the music.

[devout terrace]

Wait we have the zag emotes here finally

No way

[rich gulch]

Maybe it's adhd but I could never relax with a game like this. Quite the contrary.

[signal aspen]

no we dont

[devout terrace]

[snow skiff]

Nah high heat is easy just get a good build with ap2

[signal aspen]

coming from an ap2 cheater

[snow skiff]

I'm just good

[rich gulch]

All is good, so long as you don't make Lady Aphrodite mad.

[rustic vale]

Em4 ri4 moment

[devout terrace]

Start with Ares' Keepsake. Go for Boons that inflict DOOM and at least another status effect.
Power up my Attack and Special.
Enter Chaos Gate early, pick Boons who either give me more damage OR make me gain more Coin (as this wealth you'll acquire will pay off later).
SWITCH Keepsakes in between Levels (buy this at the House Contractor guy)
Stack up on Health (Centaur Hearts).
Switch Keepsake again to find ARTEMIS. Pick her CALL, imo the best Call there is (tho Ares', Dyonisus' and Demeter's are pretty sweet too).
Add boons to my Dash and Cast.
Get FAST with Hermes.
Use Spiked Collar (Cerberus' Keepsake) before entering Styx, for a sweet 50 Health point bump.

[snow skiff]

Sgg really made ri3 and 4 +2 heat but bp2 +3

[signal aspen]

facts

[snow skiff]

Bruh where is this from

[devout terrace]

Steam guide

[strong ridge]

steam i think

[tepid light]

I feel like Rama is on the same level as Beo for me as an "aspect that is so good it tends to make things too easy"

[signal aspen]

wait is it real

[strong ridge]

yes

[devout terrace]

Yes

[signal aspen]

goddamn it

[snow skiff]

Pick her CALL, imo the best Call there is

[rich gulch]

Based guide.

[strong ridge]

i mean tbf it was when the game was way newer

[rustic vale]

That has to be ironic right

[devout terrace]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2757428261

Its not

[signal aspen]

oh my god

[devout terrace]

IMPORTANT!!!

ALWAYS select PRIVILEGED STATUS on the Mirror of Nyx and pump it up with Darkness to the max.
It grants you a 50% damage buff to any target suffering from two status effects, making your attacks extremely powerful when combined with the right boons. Afflicting your enemies with 2 or more status curses while having Privileged Status on will make you (almost) unstoppable.

[snow skiff]

IMPORTANT!!!

ALWAYS select PRIVILEGED STATUS on the Mirror of Nyx and pump it up with Darkness to the max.
It grants you a 50% damage buff to any target suffering from two status effects, making your attacks extremely powerful when combined with the right boons. Afflicting your enemies with 2 or more status curses while having Privileged Status on will make you (almost) unstoppable.

[rustic vale]

The thumbnail

[snow skiff]

Damn it i'm slow

[strong ridge]

angel 1
amb 0

[devout terrace]

The thumbnail is amazing

[rich gulch]

How fast will Lord Hermes make me, that's the question..

[snow skiff]

How do i win

[latent moon]

beat 64 heat

[strong ridge]

pasta faster

[rustic vale]

Get hermes

Get FAST

[snow skiff]

58 heat gilgamesh witb ri3 time

[signal aspen]

"USE YOUR KEEPSAKES"
damn bro really

[snow skiff]

I like myrmidon bracer :3

[rustic vale]

I wasn’t planning on using them though

[strong ridge]

they aren’t even good

[rich gulch]

Which is why shackle is supreme.

[snow skiff]

Is there a way to have no keepsake equipped without a fresh file

[signal aspen]

burn them

[strong ridge]

just use feather duster

[rustic vale]

Should make a fresh file just to have victory screens with no keepsakes

[tepid light]

Ot

It's time for guan yu again

[snow skiff]

Kinda want to do that now

[tepid light]

Pain inc

[rustic vale]

Same

[signal aspen]

gy is hella poggers

[tepid light]

thematically, yes

[mint coral]

GY

[tepid light]

mechanically, i cry everytime

[signal aspen]

why

[rustic vale]

GY lets gooooo

[tepid light]

i like having hp

[swift inlet]

Arthur

[mint coral]

Just get the hp then

[snow skiff]

Where's that 41/57 ss

[rustic vale]

I keep seeing one dude who is suggesting spin based builds when people ask about guan-yu

[snow skiff]

SPIN IS OPP

[strong ridge]

how else would you get dozens of hp

[snow skiff]

So true!!

[signal aspen]

reddit?

[rustic vale]

Just find it

[rustic vale]

Here

[signal aspen]

zagcry

[rustic vale]

Its also always dio or demeter for gods that they suggest like huhhhhh

[devout terrace]

We cry everyday

[mint coral]

Zag emotes my beloved

[rich gulch]

But the many Bouldy emotes that are yet to be unveiled...

[signal aspen]

boulyai

[swift inlet]

bouldy but from the back

[signal aspen]

crouldy

[swift inlet]

Where it's revealed that instead of simply bare rock

There's another bouldy face on that end too

[rustic vale]

Guan-yu should’ve got a hammer that works like engulfing vortex

[snow skiff]

Oh my god this is amazing

[mint coral]

[mental vale]

well actually guan yu spins are extremely fun and even if they're not the most viable-

im pretty sure you were talking about me

[lean timber]

well actually guan yu spins are extremely fun and even if they're not the most viable-

[swift inlet]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/699090167788470284/1015709945020284968/unknown.png?width=1202&height=676

This has been a very strange run

Got offered hermes legendary on three rolls, had lambent plume on the whole time for the achievement and somehow wound up getting merciful end anyway

[snow skiff]

Lvl2 divine dash!!

[tepid light]

facing dad with 173 hp

this is gonna be painful

[rich gulch]

I do not like Alecto.

[swift inlet]

Tisiphone is more of a pain to fight

[rich gulch]

I strongly disagree, though it might just be the stuff I had to fight her with. And it's top movement speed for her.

[tepid light]

AAAAAAAAAAA

god that's frustrating

got near the end of phase 3

but i ran out of hp

[karmic gulch]

So, Aspect of Achilees or Aspect of Hades?

[latent moon]

achilles

[tepid light]

oh snap, i finally got curse of drowning as well

on beowulf, no less

wonder what the interaction is like

oh that's cool

[latent moon]

the spin on spears aren't generally worth it unless you get quick spin, but even then buffing yourself (with an easy to use special) is much easier and worth it than debuffing enemies

[tepid light]

that's actually really cool

[latent moon]

i honestly dont remember what it looks like lol

[tepid light]

and i got charged shot as well

this is really weird

hmmm, this actually isn't great

makes beowulf very awkward to use

[latent moon]

just looked at a video and it looks pretty bad lmao

worst part is that now you can't get mirage shot

unless you sell it ofc

[tepid light]

curse of drowning seems like the kind of duo that's excellent on any non-cast build

because it turns it into a big damage aura

[strong ridge]

i mean

it turns into an aura

[tepid light]

yes, that's what i just said

[strong ridge]

no you said big damage aura

[tepid light]

.....

[latent moon]

lmfao

[tepid light]

anyway

[latent moon]

might sound decent on talos i guess since you're pulling them in

[tepid light]

since the aura is tied to you but not the charge or cshot projectile, it's def not great on beowulf

[high island]

It sounds better than it is, unfortunately.

The two gods also don't really have any synergy tbh. So any Poseidon builds don't really have Lord Ares, and any Doom or Bladerift builds don't really have Poseidon.

[tepid light]

Well I mean you take what gods you can get during a run

I'm willing to give curse of drowning another chance

Just not on beowulf

Even if there's no direct 'synergy,' swamping enemies in doom and rupture at the same time isn't bad

[latent moon]

Next time you're on Talos give it a shot maybe

Although sounds like an awkward start tho with flood shot

[tepid light]

I mean I don't need to 'start' with flood shot to make it work

If I have ares attack and poseidon special, wouldn't be too hard to get flood shot and then curse of drowning

[rich gulch]

Which maximises damage on Excalibur's attacks, Passion Strike with Pressure points or a pommed Artemis strike?

[tepid light]

what do you mean by stacked

high level?

[mint coral]

Poms on arte atk are worthless

Consistency is aphro but if you really want a big swing, stack chaos boons and shadow slash on arte basically

[tepid light]

yeah aphrodite strike is the better choice

you can do funny things with artemis strike, but generally speaking it's not consistent enough

if only poms increased crit chance on artemis strike as well as attack damage

[rich gulch]

I mean, you could do that with PP no? But I guess a 5% or thereabouts increase is not much

[tepid light]

Well sure but poms are generally easier to find than a specific boon

And if you get offered a common pressure points, you'll just be sad

[rich gulch]

True.

[high island]

If you take Deadly Strike, you'll want Heart Rend. Pressure Points isn't really meaningful there.

[tepid light]

heart rend is good stuff

I think my favorite duo boon so far is cold fusion
Because jolted has such high base damage, you get so much mileage over having it constantly proccing

[high island]

Cold Fusion is very nice.

[tepid light]

Watching asterius shock himself to death with his beyblade attack is very satisfying

[snow skiff]

Curse of drowning is nice addon to me runs

But anything that's adding on to an me run lol

[tepid light]

Yeah merciful end is damn strong

If you get impending doom as well, that run's in the bag

[snow skiff]

I prefer DR if i really need to throw something on top of a merciful end run

[tepid light]

dr?

[high island]

Deadly Reversal.

[tepid light]

Ah, that's the artemis-athena duo, right?

increased crit chance after deflecting?

[latent moon]

yeah

[tepid light]

That one's nice too

Most of athena's duo boons are nice

Except stubborn roots

[snow skiff]

Athena duos are super hit or super miss tbh

[signal aspen]

Stubborn roots amazing

[snow skiff]

Like on one hand ME

[signal aspen]

Merciful end garbage

[snow skiff]

On the other hand unshakable mettle

[tepid light]

Lightning phalanx seems incredibly mediocre as well

[snow skiff]

Lightning phalanx is really strong actually

[signal aspen]

It's very good

[snow skiff]

Just kinda weird to put together

[tepid light]

I dunno I find mettle to at least be useful

[signal aspen]

Based even

[tepid light]

Esp. compared to stubborn roots

[snow skiff]

Probably the best cast to throw on poseidon sword

Mettle doesn't do anything

[tepid light]

The biggest reason why I like mettle is because of the pots in dad fight

[snow skiff]

The most impactful stun is wringers in tart

Guess when you will on average get a duo boon

[signal aspen]

Hit stuns are a thing

[snow skiff]

Don't get hit

[signal aspen]

So maybe on like bow it can be useful

[tepid light]

pots

i hate the pots

[signal aspen]

Don't step in them

[snow skiff]

Idk man at the heat level i'm running pots are already instadeath

[tepid light]

4head

[signal aspen]

Actually if you do HS-1 it removes all traps

[tepid light]

I assume that's a modded thing

Or you're just trolling

[snow skiff]

No it's just not a thing

[tepid light]

Figured

[snow skiff]

Nope its completely real.

Hs-2 puts the traps back and they heal you

[signal aspen]

It becomes impossible to die in aspho

[tepid light]

hs-3 removes the traps again and instead places zones that give you buffs

[signal aspen]

Traps give you boons

[snow skiff]

Traps give you +global damage except its multiplicative

[tepid light]

traps damage the region boss instead of you

so if you step in them enough, the boss dies as soon as you enter the arena

[snow skiff]

You have to do it semi strategically though otherwise you're wasting damage while the boss is phasing

[tepid light]

No no see

It's applied to them all at once at the start of the battle

So you walk in and dad immediately perishes through all three stages

Assuming you stepped in enough traps

[snow skiff]

It works with rama shared suffering so if you tag all the enemies and step in a trap they all die

[tepid light]

That's hs-7

[silver nimbus]

okay i searched triple cluster rockets on youtube and i can't find a thing

nvm i got my answer

triple and cluster don't go together

[rich gulch]

A sweet dream.

[tepid light]

that would be pretty funny

you fire a cluster of five rockets, three times in a row

[snow skiff]

Triple clockets would be so overkill

[rich gulch]

Cluster hazard bombs would be even better.

[snow skiff]

Clockets hazard so you're forced to self damage

[rich gulch]

Just dodge 6head

[rustic vale]

Overpowered as hell yeah

If only triple, cluster, rocket, and hazard were all intercompatible

[snow skiff]

Duh

What i meant was unshakable mettle is game defining and merciful end is low tier trash

[lean timber]

loterally

[tepid light]

cleared with guan yu!

ol reliable, aka poseidon zeus

just got mirage shot in tartarus

with beowulf

this gonna be fun

[swift inlet]

Big

Had a bit of a question regarding room mechanics, mostly for speedrunning

Say you get mid shop, but the other option is the core god you really need for your build. They'll just show up in the immediate next room if you take shop, right?

[signal aspen]

no unless you use a keepsake to force that god

[swift inlet]

I figured, but keepsake does force them into next room, right?

[signal aspen]

not always

but usually yeah

[swift inlet]

Oop

That's rough

Does it ever do another god or will it only make an exception for like

hammers/poms/etc

[granite ether]

They force the next instance of a god boon (except if it hermes) to be the one of the god boon equipped iirc

[rustic vale]

If I see hermes in tart shop and don’t buy it can I still see 2 hermes boons later in the run outside of styx

[lean timber]

wh

[signal aspen]

yes

[rustic vale]

I was considering not taking it because I had a chaos boon that hadn’t finished yet that would boost rarity chance +28% but decided to buy anyways

Got purple greater reflex so

was worth it

[swift inlet]

Big

[rustic vale]

7 dash on tidal dash gilga

Wait no 8 dashes

wait no 7

[snow skiff]

Lol

[rich gulch]

I wonder if successfully fishing increases your boon rarity chance with the next boon.

[rustic vale]

99% sure no

[signal aspen]

it gives 0.00000001% duo and legendary chance

[rich gulch]

Ah good, then I don't feel bad about it. Went with a Rama Zeus special build and even had rare crop miraculously hit Special and Jolted. Then I had one chance to get Zeus's legendary from an upper tier boon in Styx and the bastards didn't give it to me.

Otherwise the build would have been flawless.

[swift inlet]

Why is it that styx doesn't count as encounters for some things, but does for stuff like well items

I wouldn't be as annoyed by bad sack rng if well items didn't wear off in .3 seconds because of it

[mint coral]

Balance ig

[latent moon]

It doesn't count for butterfly and feather and that's about it

[mint coral]

Hydro might

[latent moon]

Because those stacks can be really broken

[latent moon]

Oh really

[mint coral]

Nice typo

[latent moon]

That's interesting

[mint coral]

Does it count for side hustle

[signal aspen]

i think so

yeah it does

[latent moon]

Interesting

That's a good amount of money even if it's only a 2 sack

Actually it's more value to sell epic side hustle before entering Styx I think unless arriving back at the main chamber gives you money

[mint coral]

The value is knowing you will get a 5 sack

[signal aspen]

forcing a 5 sack with mods when you have side hustle 🧠

[snow skiff]

Seriously

[mint coral]

From what i remember

[hollow urchin]

finally got my first win. Wasnt even expecting it with the weapon i was using but it was so cool

i was using the gun
hammer upgraded the bomb into a straightforward missile
then i got some Poseidon buffs for the special missile so id shoot and enemies would get crushed against walls

The a second hammer upgrade that gave me 3 missiles and then just a ton of damage up
I even got a weird duoboon that apparently would have given me regen if i hit 0 revives but my 3 nuke missiles where so strong i deleted everything so fast. Didnt get to see it in action

really fun run i was expecting wo win with the spear or shield first

[swift inlet]

So uh

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1004618422094667777/1015807435476320266/unknown.png?width=1202&height=676

Hades has a LOT of bloodstones stuck inside him

Looking like a porcupine

[mint coral]

exit wounds?

[swift inlet]

Nah

Stygian soul moment

[signal aspen]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/817068513206075392/cast.png

[swift inlet]

lmao

beautiful

[snow skiff]

Bruh conch shell in styx

[swift inlet]

I forgot to actually make the build

[tepid light]

Got Lightning Rod on Poseidon

This is very awkward

[high island]

Congratulations!

[swift inlet]

There's an even funnier one where instead of having to fire 3 missiles one by one, you get to fire 5 missiles at once

Rail is the most historically accurate weapon in Hades

[hollow urchin]

it was just so funny going into the labyrinth and seeing the 30 mini rats spawn and one nuke turns them all into pingpong balls

[brisk trail]

does anyone know what happens when the heat timer runs out? (since I haven’t done that one yet)

[mint coral]

2 hammers per run normally and use anvil in styx to lose 1 random and gain 2 random ones

[swift inlet]

You take 5 damage per tick. I don't know exactly how fast the tick rate is, but if you have death defiance it'll still trigger so you can try and close out the fight in time

[snow skiff]

Its 1 second

[lean timber]

or if you're gamer you can iframe the timer

(so they claim)

[swift inlet]

Yes

Athena call works

[tepid light]

or just tell it to stop damaging you

[high island]

You stop taking damage once you die.

So, that's a good trick.

[rustic vale]

Sounds like the doubts of a non-gamer

[lean timber]

no i believe it i've just never seen it

because i'm not gamer enough

[rustic vale]

I’m too much of a gamer to have seen it

[lean timber]

(he's never used tight deadline before in favor of js3 and cp2)

[rustic vale]

Actually that’s a lie I definitely saw it in action that one run when I left tart way late

Way way way late

I can’t remember what my aspect was but I was playing badly

[rustic vale]

CP2

My beloved CP2

What would I do without it

[latent moon]

have a lower time

[rustic vale]

tru

Like

75% of the times I get now

I’m trying to remember what my current run is before I look at my console

7 dash tidal dash gilga I got it

[tepid light]

whew, that was a very fun aspect of poseidon run

athena cast with athena-zeus build, lightning phalanx, lightning rod, and deadly reversal

[latent moon]

gaming

[tepid light]

i'm beginning to see the merits of this aspect

even if you need a godlike build to really bring them out

[latent moon]

lmao a lot of the worse aspects are like that

[tepid light]

i also had flurry cast

which made it infinitely more convenient

[latent moon]

flurry cast makes pos sword more bearable for me lol

[tepid light]

yeah poseidon feels a lot clunkier and slower without flurry cast

[latent moon]

needs a lot going for it to be good

or at least feel good

[snow skiff]

you could just play somehow-even-worse-zagsword

[latent moon]

ah yes my favorite aspect

[tepid light]

i haven't used zag sword once since i unlocked the other aspects

[latent moon]

same

[tepid light]

the only reason i will touch it is to finish skelly's quest

[latent moon]

isn't that really easy to do

[snow skiff]

5 blood kinda nothing

especially cause you only need 12 ambrosia in total for everything

[tepid light]

i put it off for a long while because i was devoting all my blood to upgrading every other aspect

but i'm literally about to finish the quest

[latent moon]

well for summons at least some people actually want to play the story and max relationships lol

[snow skiff]

ewww story who cares about that smh

[latent moon]

that's fair i guess

[snow skiff]

45 heat with rare aspect of chiron and lvl1 dark foresight

[latent moon]

based

[latent moon]

i blocked a laser next to a pot and got potted to death

could've won too im actually sad

i guess the boonless 40 run attempts continues

[hollow urchin]

so wait how many possible weapon varients are there

it would like the titan blood forms, times hammer, times hammer-1 right?

[strong ridge]

anvil

[latent moon]

yeah you can get 3 hammers at once

but you'd also have to account that not all hammers are compatible with each aspect

[hollow urchin]

that really is an absurd amount of base weapon changes even removing some choices

[latent moon]

yeah

although some hammers are just so bad that they never get any use

[snow skiff]

dread flight

[latent moon]

or at least no meta/top player use

[hollow urchin]

oh the wiki has the notes on it

[latent moon]

yeah

[hollow urchin]

"cannot be combined with x, x, or x and incompatible with titan blood form x

huh that actually changes so much decision making

[latent moon]

"titan blood form" is called aspect btw

much shorter to say

and more clear

but yeah a good chunk of hammers have various restrictions

generally for balance

or just not making much sense to work in general

like exploding launcher on guan yu is pointless considering the special is already a built in exploding launcher

[hollow urchin]

yeah hazard bomb for the gun has a ton of restrictions

oh woah there is even aspect exclusives that neato

[latent moon]

only for hidden aspects, they all get one

i wait lucifer has a ton nvm

but the other aspects generally only have 1 iirc

[hollow urchin]

the more i look the more i love how much polish this game has for fringe cases

[latent moon]

there's a good chunk of bugs tho but they're not game breaking lol

[hollow urchin]

oh no i got spoilered the gun becomes a laser apparently

[latent moon]

and this is why we dont look at the wiki lol

[hollow urchin]

[wooden pond]

I'm still kind of surprised supergiant never ended up fixing the auto-aim. lucifer is still terrible on consoles and I'm also salty about a cast run I just had that ended on the final boss final phase because I kept lobbing 2500 damage worth of trippy shots into those green pots instead of the boss.

[high island]

I don't think the auto-aim needs fixing.

[wooden pond]

how do you figure? the consensus has been that it's not quite right on consoles literally since 1.0

[high island]

I don't really know where you're getting that concensus from tbh. I think it's just fine.

[wooden pond]

are you trolling or something?

[high island]

Just because somebody disagrees with you doesn't mean they're trolling.

[wooden pond]

ok, so you know how there's the lucifer aspect? so, you're supposed to be able use the special, then use the attack to trigger the special's additional effect. but on console, you can't aim at the special.

saying "well I think it's fine, tyvm" is basically trolling.

like, it's objectively buggy/wrong.

not all bugs get fixed, of course.

but saying that you don't think there's a bug means you're either trolling, or haven't gotten to parts of the game where the buggy behavior can be seen.

[latent moon]

she's been playing since beta she knows a lot about this game, she just think that it's not an issue

[swift inlet]

Controller has buttery smooth god movement

[latent moon]

i see a lot of top players dash into the luci special to pop it

[swift inlet]

That too

[latent moon]

generally while they're attacking so it will eventually get hit

[swift inlet]

I don't think it's too big a deal if auto aim messed you up

[latent moon]

not to mention that it's typically paired with zeus atk so it's bound to get hit by a chain

[high island]

I think I'd get rather annoyed if my Attack aimed at the Special rather than the enemy next to it tbh.

[latent moon]

your other issue of your trippy shots locking onto pots, that's just because pots are recognized as entities and people do want to get rid of those at times so it's just gonna go there

[wooden pond]

you know beta wasn't available on consoles, right? so are you saying she's not a console player? because that would kind of explain it...

[swift inlet]

You can play with controller on pc

[latent moon]

idk that's up to her to clarify not me

[wooden pond]

why? it will do more damage to the enemy if you hit the special in 99% of cases.

[latent moon]

also i'm pretty sure you can play on pc and still use a controller anyways

[swift inlet]

Yeah

There's actually a frustrating number of controller-only stuff on steam

[high island]

I don't really know how you come here newly and start making assumptions about people because they disagree with you. That's rather presumptuous tbh.

[latent moon]

the chain lightning off the atk will 99% of the time hit the special if you aimed it near an enemy

[swift inlet]

Skill issue, I would simply always get triple bomb luci

[wooden pond]

because you're literally just being contrarian. there have been hundreds of threads about this since launch and you immediately jump in with "well... I wouldn't want my attack to hit the special!". even though that's how the weapon is supposed to work.

[snow skiff]

i mean the general lucifer strat is to get a dmg dash and dash into the big orbs

[swift inlet]

The general strategy for detonation style damage is "get some way to mindlessly trigger it" tbf

[latent moon]

luci atk is not the only way to pop the special

[swift inlet]

Like Eris wanting rockets for the easy access to damage boosts, ME wanting a dash to easily detonate, etc

Seems like the same should apply to luci

[wooden pond]

but part of the reason that's the strategy is because the auto aim is borked. if it were reliable, it would be fewer frames (I'm pretty sure) to proc with the attack and you can do it while controlling the spacing better.

in any case, I was mainly just expressing surprise / annoyance. I've cleared all the content many times over, so it's obviously not game breaking or anything. just weird that they never fixed it.

[high island]

I highly doubt there's even a dozen of those threads tbh. Just because some people make some thread about it on reddit or wherever doesn't mean there's a concensus.

[swift inlet]

I dunno, it feels like it'd be a stronger strategy anyway

[high island]

The people who are perfectly fine with the auto-aim aren't gonna make a thread about it.

[swift inlet]

And if people can aim just fine with hera/rama, it's probably not too huge an issue

[high island]

The bombs are gonna go off one way or another, I ain't gonna bother trying to aim at it ngl.

[wooden pond]

by why would you want LESS control? other than to be contrarian? how could "use the joystick for aiming" be a BAD thing?

[snow skiff]

they should add hazard back to lucy

[high island]

I don't have any issues with the auto-aim, that's you. I don't go throwing my Trippy Shots into Hades's traps.

[wooden pond]

you're begging the question...

why would more control over aim be a bad thing? seems like you're just arguing for the sake of it.

[high island]

I disagree with your entire premise.

[wooden pond]

do you think kb+m players are at a disadvantage because they can aim casts, lucifer. etc?

[high island]

I can aim my casts just fine on pad.

There are some advantages and disadvantages to KBM and pad, but mostly it doesn't really matter in the competitive meta.

[wooden pond]

ok, never mind. you're clearly not discussing in good faith.

[high island]

Frankly, I think you simply need to practice more instead of complaining why the devs don't fix it for you. Auto-aim naturally comes with some advantages and disadvantages, and you don't seem to be performing well within the system that you're given. Adjusting the auto-aim to whatever your preference is will come with its own limitations and won't sit well with everyone. There's no objectively correct way to go about implementing auto-aim, and there's certainly no bug.

[hollow urchin]

so wait when it comes to heat i should first beast the game with 0 heat and then go up by 1 heat each time i beat the game with the weapon?

or should i just start doing heat levels now and pluck low hanging fruit bounties

[old belfry]

your bounties will only award for your lowest needed heat, so as long as you are doing above X minimum heat to get bounties, you're good

you can crank it high if you want but will still get the same amount every time, if you just want to grind bounties out yeah easiest way is to just go up 1 every time

[hollow urchin]

i cranked it max the second i unlocked it to see how crazy it got

[high island]

There's a prophecy for getting a clear with each weapon that will give you enough Titan Blood to max out any one weapon aspect, so that's often a good first goal after your first clear. Another good early goal is getting the prophecy for getting a clear with each of the pacts enabled (doesn't need to be all at once).

[hollow urchin]

oooo i didnt even think of the prophecies

thats smart

[high island]

Yeah, both of those give you a lot of Titan Blood, and you also become familiar with the different weapons and pacts in the process.

[swift inlet]

I still don't have the pact one done despite having done 32 heat

Ap and ri are too hellish for me to ever want to deal with until I'm regularly doing high heat

[high island]

They're honestly pretty chill if you just do that and nothing else.

Shouldn't be a problem for you.

[swift inlet]

Fair point, I already did runs for dumb things like plume achievement and stygian to get bad news as the last legendary boon

Torn between pushing my times lower, trying to get better at higher heat, and doing completionist achievement based stuff

[high island]

RI1 AP1 with Hestia and Shackle and you won't even notice it's there lol.

[swift inlet]

Who needs boons

Guess I can use that as an excuse to play more hestia and learn it

[high island]

I just always do whatever I feel like at the moment and if I get bored of it or frustrated, I just do something else.

[swift inlet]

Fair

Actually, that reminds me

I haven't been able to really get the hang of spear. Achilles seems a lot faster than gy and probably better overall, but double tapping rmb mid combo doesn't go very smoothly and the dash strikes feel awkward compared to every other weapon

Do you have any tips for actually learning the achilles loop?

[high island]

I'd say just practice a lot, and focus on precision over speed at first if you want to learn to be efficient. The speed will come from practice.

[swift inlet]

Will do, thanks

Time to rip skelly a new one

[high island]

Well, practice in actual runs is gonna be more helpful than attacking Skelly.

If you haven't seen these two guides yet, definitely worth having a look. https://docs.google.com/document/d/18uZziGYDyVCwc-XgcveoY8MXp6Lwq0BD6xDV38cuYWo/edit?usp=sharing
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1eAOEli9KqJOVyPD7U-6D1o1yZx1tDMQWLDcMJr8G84E/

But ultimately it's still gonna come down to a lot of practice.

If the double-tap input feels weird, that's still just a matter of technique that if you do it enough will feel natural.

When that's no longer an issue, you can focus more easily on killing enemies efficiently.

And as that becomes instinctive, you can focus more easily on killing groups of enemies efficiently.

Then killing whole enemy waves efficiently by not just taking into account how to kill that one group efficiently but how move efficently across the room while killing the enemies.

And eventually not just that one enemy wave but also how to kill that enemy wave in a way that moves you into the right spot to manipulate the spawns for the next wave after that.

[heavy jackal]

hello i have a question: i have not done any heat runs so if i do a 2+ heat run do i lose the bonus of 1 heat run?

[hardy spear]

you just get the lowest heat reward set available

so no you dont lose the bonus of a 1 heat run

[round summit]

Not sure where to ask, but any completionists here? I'm on PS and will be trying for plat. I see that it will take a while, but also seems kinda fun. Any thoughts, preferably from someone who has all achievements, is it worth it?

[high island]

I got all of the achievements naturally just because they were fun or interesting things I wanted to do anyway.

[hardy spear]

i havent been going for achievements at all but after 75 hours ive got 45/49 achievements

[high island]

Most of them unlocked automatically for me at 1.0 release when they added achievements, anyway.

[heavy jackal]

so lets say i did a 3 heat run, do i get the bonus of 1 heat + 2 heat + 3 heat or just 1 heat?

[high island]

1 Heat rewards only.

[heavy jackal]

do you lose the rewards of heat 2 and 3 in the example?

[hardy spear]

no

there is no way to lose any rewards, youll always have the opportunity to get 20 heat levels of rewards on every weapon

[heavy jackal]

ok i see, thanks for the help

[round summit]

@high island @hardy spear Thanks guys ✨

I reckon it should be enjoyable at least

[silver nimbus]

are there any mods or tricks to upgrade my keepsakes faster

[void vigil]

for mods you can ask in the modding server pinned in #self-promotion, but as for tricks, every room in styx counts as an encounter for keepsakes, so i guess you could equip whatever you want to upgrade there. other than that its just playing a lot

[hardy spear]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/760937630082400327/1015999855937720381/4bb12efb-a73d-4033-b267-4a6271a3e764.mp4
just encountered my first ever glitch

[mint coral]

Dad moment

[signal aspen]

https://clips.twitch.tv/HotObliviousBurritoPanicVis-qgDao40F0VEpSYpq

[hardy spear]

working as intended

[faint flint]

I don't like phalanx shot

someone sell me as to why to use it

it seems slow

[signal aspen]

big damage

big aoe

deflect

[faint flint]

it does AoE?

[signal aspen]

area of effect

[faint flint]

my bad

how much?

is it consistent in the area or is it more splash like

[signal aspen]

ok so for some reason i thought you asked "what is aoe?"

[faint flint]

all g

[signal aspen]

its pretty good

[faint flint]

bad phrasing on my part

[signal aspen]

no thats on me i cant read

its not like splash dash

slightly smaller

but its better than most casts aoe

[faint flint]

I've been trying to evaluate all the boons

since the hades wiki is....

a bit ambiguous

[rustic vale]

Hunters mark triggers itself right

[high island]

All of the Casts can be strong with the right builds.

[strong ridge]

icy flare

[rustic vale]

Purple quick favor isn’t bad right

[strong ridge]

25 seconds to reach small aid so its not too great

works good on smair or aspects with fast aid gen but its pretty mid

[rustic vale]

Got sea storm on my 7 tidal dash gilga run rn

Thought I was set for heroes fight but gilga longer dash recharge made it scary

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/795659377755422742/1016027615183786067/IMG_2144.jpg

[brisk trail]

omg, second chamber doing me dirty xD Erebus, Chaos, Daedalus exit options.

[rustic vale]

Pffft

[latent moon]

take chaos for free room ez

[rustic vale]

Ended up with zeus/aphrodite/ares/dio in tart so I guess I’m going for smair/curse of nausea/low tolerance and dio aid

[latent moon]

what aspect

[rustic vale]

Zag sword

free rd damage ez

[latent moon]

oh boy

[rustic vale]

I just need dio aid for everything to open up

have lightning strike passion dash and curse of vengeance watch me never find dio aid

[latent moon]

lmao it do be like that

[rustic vale]

I’m so bad at finishing runs in one sitting

[high island]

I like it mainly for Aphrodite's Aid and Artemis' Aid where it can make the difference between getting another Greater Call in the Hades fight or not getting another one. Outside of that it doesn't really do much at all if your DPS rotations are good.

[rustic vale]

I am literally getting none of the boons™️

[rich gulch]

I'm curious which paintings people here decided to put on the wall outside of Hades's chambers - I had completely forgotten about them ever since I purchased them months ago and now I wonder why this particular selection-

I'd send an image link but alas.

[latent moon]

Should've just gotten the boon tbh

[rustic vale]

I legit have no dio aid, common greater haste + hypersprint like

I just need dio call and hopefully 3rd hermes

atleast I have dedge and +101% dash strike damage from chaos

[snow skiff]

Inb4 flurry cast side hustle and swift strike from styx hermes

[high island]

No, it's an Anvil that replaces Double Edge with Flurry Slash and Dash Nova.

[karmic gulch]

Whats the best aspect for the fists?

[tepid light]

Most people will say demeter by default

Just because gilgamesh is generally bad and opinion is very divided on talos

[signal aspen]

demeter is the best

[rustic vale]

Gilgamesh

[signal aspen]

gilgameh

[tepid light]

gilga ur mom

[rustic vale]

Idk I just had a really good experience with it so I’m biased

I like all the fists

[latent moon]

Debuffing the enemy with a gimmick that doesn't work half the time with a clunky special is just difficult to work with unless you do the special cancel tech thingy

And gilga is just slow and less iframes per dash

[rustic vale]

And even then taking more damage from the enemy becuse you debuffed them

[tepid light]

That first statement could apply to either gilg or talos

[rustic vale]

[tepid light]

Which says a lot

[latent moon]

Lmfao meant for Talos but also gilga

Except gilga is worse considering you take more damage

[signal aspen]

impossible

[tepid light]

Yeah was about to say

[latent moon]

But gigla is dash upper so it's not too bad

Not clunky just bad

[rustic vale]

7 dash tidal dash gilga with sea storm and deadly reversal

[signal aspen]

only have fun when you arent actually playing the aspect

[rustic vale]

Wdym I was playing the aspect

[signal aspen]

aspect of tidal dash

[tepid light]

Honestly for me there isn't much difference in playstyle between talos and demeter
the only difference is that i'm using my special either at the start or the end of my combo

[rustic vale]

Yes 👍

[tepid light]

So I honestly don't care much about which one is 'better'

[signal aspen]

well demeters special actually does something

[rustic vale]

I think better is subjective everywhere but fists

and sword

[tepid light]

I don't understand this argument
Is their some bug that prevents the pull or the debuff from being applied

[signal aspen]

no

its just that the debuff does close to nothing

[rustic vale]

Talos pull just isn’t worth crap

[signal aspen]

and doesnt do much damage

[rustic vale]

20 base damage so huge

[tepid light]

Disagreed on both counts, but ok

[signal aspen]

what does the debuff do

[rustic vale]

you can be wrong if you want to

[signal aspen]

increases the base damage of the attack

which you are not using

[rustic vale]

+50% damage to attack and cast

[tepid light]

and you can be condescending if you want to

[tepid light]

speak for yourself

[signal aspen]

bruh

[latent moon]

If it was global damage then it'd be better

The fact that it only affects the attack for so little base damage just doesn't do well unless you have heavy knuckle I guess

That's 40 + 20 so not terrible I guess

[signal aspen]

you could do a cast build on talos but i do not understand why you would do that

it just becomes a worse version of every cast aspect in the game

[latent moon]

Just use pos sword lmao same 50% except it's not fists

[signal aspen]

but with pos sword you dont have to wait 15 seconds for your casts to fall out

[latent moon]

Yep

[signal aspen]

👍

[latent moon]

I guess the only advantage of Talos regarding castpects is like blizzard shot and maybe curse of drowning

But feels wack

[snow skiff]

Cod sucks anyway

Black out is good though

Black out and blizzard shot are like the only actual talos builds

[tepid light]

Honestly I'm happy to just say that I personally like talos and am not trying to argue that it's optimal

[latent moon]

Black out is deal more damage in festive fog right

[tepid light]

I just got a bit irked

[signal aspen]

only when they have hangover on them

[mint coral]

Worstlos vs bestlos

[latent moon]

That's a lot of conditions but not hard to fill I guess

[tepid light]

wat

Oh

[mint coral]

Talos = bad > worstlos

[latent moon]

Worstlos

[mint coral]

You are on bestlos side

[signal aspen]

worbsetl5

[mint coral]

Why is the 5 again

[tepid light]

I should really learn to stay out of certain optimization arguments
Though I don't appreciate being told "lol you're wrong" or "lol no one uses attack on fists"

[latent moon]

Probably an S I guess idk

[mint coral]

I mean you punch people

Just with flat dmg

[signal aspen]

oh i was just talking about not using the base damage of the attack

its not that good

so you put flat damage on it

[latent moon]

Talos doesn't affect the flat damage on top of that does it

[signal aspen]

you do in fact use the attack

[mint coral]

In a world where it was global dmg

Atk/cast buff moment

[latent moon]

The only thing that makes sense is heavy knuckle with aphro atk and then Talos special would give you more overall damage

[tepid light]

Eh, but it's free bonus damage that doesn't force you to spend a boon or anything

[latent moon]

Same could be said about Dem special tho

[tepid light]

I never said anything about demeter being bad, did I?

[mint coral]

I dont mind the buff as much as i mind the slower special

Tho i wish it would've been global

[latent moon]

No but might as well use Dem for a stronger gimmick than Talos that's really gimmicky

[lean timber]

talos is bad haven't we reached that consensus yet

[tepid light]

Well I guess I really don't find talos nearly as slow or clunky as others seem to

And as I said before, I find success using either aspect

[snow skiff]

Fist apply fast hangover + talos pull into festive fog

[tepid light]

So eh

[snow skiff]

= black out ✓

[latent moon]

Yeah

[snow skiff]

It kinda sucks at bossing though

You could also just run ME 👎

[mint coral]

On black out topic i try to force it on tripoy beo lol

Blackout is 2 mirages

[snow skiff]

3/5th of a mirage

[tepid light]

169 total attempts

nice

[mint coral]

Nah mirage is 30% so 60% = double

[signal aspen]

nice im at 2115 total attempts

[signal aspen]

imagine not using beo all the time

[snow skiff]

I prefer lvl1 guan yu

[strong ridge]

the devs really loved trippy shot tbh theres so much additional boons for it

[snow skiff]

And flood shot for some reason

[signal aspen]

didnt love it enough to fix all the bugs

[tepid light]

Speaking of which, I'm gonna do a run with demeter aspect

It's next on my rotation

[signal aspen]

or maybe they loved it enough to keep the bugs

[mint coral]

Imagine they fixed the only bad trippy bug

So it crits like normal

[strong ridge]

hades
bug fixing
xd

[signal aspen]

theres 2 bad trippy bugs

for trippy flare beo

[snow skiff]

Mirage because flares and 2x poms right

How tf did 2x poms even happen

[mint coral]

Magic

[strong ridge]

1 = 2

[signal aspen]

spaghetti

[strong ridge]

i would imagine poms have individualized buff for each boon

[tepid light]

when are they gonna add an aspect from a japanese mythological figure
so that the weeb aspect memes can begin

[signal aspen]

hades dlc

[strong ridge]

at least theres an asian aspect
i dont even think the americas got anything or the global south

but this seems not like a great discussion to have go very far tbh

[tepid light]

two asian aspects, tbf

[snow skiff]

Yeah

Isn't there an english and a scottish aspect

Oh nvm

Beowulf is geatish

[karmic gulch]

So Demeter?

[tepid light]

yep, demeter

[swift inlet]

Rama???

Nvm it's just north of the equator

But global south is more of a socioeconomic term than a geological one so

India still counts, therefore

Rama??????

Actually, not even just Rama

Gilgamesh is Mesopotamian, so there's that too

There's pretty good diversity in the hidden aspects as it is. Half of them are from east asia, the middle east, and south asia respectively.

[tepid light]

I think they also just wanted to use mythological figures who were relatively well-known to players already

[strong ridge]

africa, aus & south am are all southern on the globe but k
never said the diversity was bad in the game, just which areas arent in it really.

[tepid light]

hence why we've got arthur and guan yu, who are both well-known heroic figures

[swift inlet]

is Chinese
only barely remembers guan yu