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#h1-discussion
tepid light
high island
Yeah, low heat that works just fine.
tepid light
What makes that less viable at high heat?
faint flint
I don't understand artemis dash strike
well, I don't understand it on stuff like the rail
tepid light
rail and other weapons like it still have a dash-strike, it's just less obvious
faint flint
what's the mechanic on that
tepid light
artemis' dash will still cause your next attack right after a dash to get the bonus damage
high island
Timer and your builds are gonna be much weaker.
tepid light
yes
high island
Also FO2 means the healing is much faster and you have less time to damage him.
tepid light
isn't hestia a flat bonus
no reason why artemis dash-strike wouldn't also enhance hestia reloaded shot
tepid light
Timer and your builds are gonna be much weaker.
Fair enough
high island
Dash-Strike bonus damage works on Hestia, yes.
austere loom
Isn't Artemis hunter dash super good on Hestia or am I missing something
high island
That's pretty important, too. Wanna look for Strike and Lunge from Master Chaos to get good DPS.
austere loom
Huh
high island
It's pretty good, yes. But Tidal Dash is often the better choice to help with DPS.
austere loom
Weird didnt see your message til I sent mine
faint flint
dash strikes are boosted by regular strike damage right
so eg a zeus strike boon would proc on an artemis dash strike right
because I've been betrayed by hammers before
high island
Attack boons would proc on a Dash-Attack, yes. Hammers... not necessarily.
Dash-Strike boons affect both Dash-Attack and Dash-Special (like Malpon's Dash-Upper). Dash-Strike hammers only affect Dash-Attack.
Attack hammers you just gotta learn which ones affect Dash-Attacks and which ones don't.
tepid light
Watching a boss take 160 damage per second and die in seconds never gets old
faint flint
Watching a boss take 160 damage per second and die in seconds never gets old
is this rupture or hangover?
tepid light
is this rupture or hangover?
hangover
with aphrodite-dionysus duo boon
3 duo boons and a legendary
this is quite a run
short glen
Attack hammers you just gotta learn which ones affect Dash-Attacks and which one...
God imagine how much better sword would be if it's attack hammers worked with dash strike
tepid light
dad dead
that was a pretty great run
tbh i think that would have gone easier with any other fists aspect aside from beowulf
just because the slower attack made it harder to stack hangover quickly
austere loom
gilgamesh you mean
austere loom
never really liked Gilgamesh
it doesn't do much other than allow you to use Ruthless Reflex
tepid light
gilgamesh generally isn't considered a very good aspect, the increased damage taken really hurts
austere loom
it's too similar to the base aspects
tepid light
i'm just using it because a) unga bunga and b) i frequently swap between aspects to keep my skills sharp
short glen
Gilgamesh is fun. Not good, but fun imo
tepid light
^
tepid light
although max gil's maim is like a stronger doom
difference is that doom doesn't give your enemy a +50% damage buff
austere loom
yeah
tepid light
which i always think makes no sense
austere loom
I don't get why it needs to do that
I think it should slow down enemies instead of making them stronger
lean timber
in ten words or less how do i counter em4 this is my first time doing it
austere loom
Gil fists already has enough problems
lean timber
quickly. my resolve is slipping.
short glen
Just Win
lean timber
ok got it.
tepid light
I can understand them wanting to add some downside to gilgamesh, since an increased damage taken debuff and a doom-like effect on the enemy can be quite strong
short glen
Sorry I've never done 50 heat I have no advice
tepid light
Sorry I've never done 50 heat I have no advice
you don't need to be at 50 heat to do em4
short glen
Yeah but Matty is iirc
austere loom
I can understand them wanting to add *some* downside to gilgamesh, since an incr...
Gil already has a downside of being short ranged AND relatively slow
short glen
Also the cooldown thing between dashes
tepid light
Gil already has a downside of being short ranged AND relatively slow
it's mostly the slow part, since all fists have the short range
austere loom
at least those fists were kinda fast
like real fast
ngl
I was more afraid of EM at first than I needed to be
the only big problem is Asterius's beyblade attack
which means I can't just beat him down
tepid light
what EM rank are you using
austere loom
EM3?
tepid light
gotcha
austere loom
haven't tried EM4 yet
tepid light
tell me when you try em4 for the first time
austere loom
don't feel like it
tepid light
no rush ofc
austere loom
also heat not high enough to warrant
tepid light
but i assume you'll do it at some point since you're already up to em3
lean timber
no i just hate routine inspection.
swift inlet
I can understand them wanting to add *some* downside to gilgamesh, since an incr...
The downside is that the dash is awful even if you have more of them
I swear to god I've empty dashed and gotten hit when I'd only done two
swift inlet
I believe it functions by taking whatever bonus movement speed you have and applying X portion of that as a global damage boost
With higher rarities giving you a greater percentage of that movement speed
Say you have hyper sprint + max rush delivery
100% bonus movement speed and 100% of movement speed translating to a damage boost
That should just equal double damage while you're sprinting
swift inlet
What I'm not sure about is whether it's multiplicative or additive with things like ignited ichor and greater haste
swift inlet
- greater haste heroic for a thick 3.6x 🧠
swift inlet
Move speed is multiplicative
This is absolutely insane and I love it
raw herald
Ya
swift inlet
It's hilarious beyond belief
cursive ingot
Is Poseidon sword viable at high heat? I suck with nemesis
raw herald
How high are you talking
swift inlet
How do you suck with nemesis when like
cursive ingot
32
wraith sand
aight, i have one more thing to ask
swift inlet
Every sword plays the same combo wise except arthur
raw herald
Poseidons fine for 32
cursive ingot
Because I play Zeus cast build with Poseidon sword
wraith sand
as a stygian soul boiling blood enjoyer, how do I Poseidon sword
cursive ingot
Idk I just either take a heap of damage or not do enough I’m not sure
raw herald
as a stygian soul boiling blood enjoyer, how do I Poseidon sword
Don’t use stygian soul
cursive ingot
as a stygian soul boiling blood enjoyer, how do I Poseidon sword
Electric shot, sea storm and exit wounds
sonic shell
andd i'm dead lol
cursive ingot
And the special aoe hammer
void vigil
boiling blood doesnt really work on poseidon does it
cursive ingot
Rapid cast, splash dash, etc
sonic shell
oh right nvm
swift inlet
with clockets
12x clockets
Imagine getting hit with 60 rockets in the face
No wonder hades gets instaphased the moment barrier is down
mint coral
Aphro for consistency, arte can be good too
hardy spear
if i have triple shot on a bow can they all crit independently
warm nimbus
yeah that would make ps actually good
we cant have ps be good smh
also btw chaos attack boons suck for eris and luci
they seem good on luci but the problem is you often interrupt your damage ramping for specials anyway
rustic vale
if i have triple shot on a bow can they all crit independently
Yes
snow skiff
why does gilga dash have to be so sticky
rustic vale
Shotgun bow
mint coral
Bow is a melee aspect
austere loom
can triple shot overlap?
rustic vale
Hit same person thrice
austere loom
because it reminded me of when a Dota 2 character got a buff to her stun arrow spell
one was strong enough but the item that buffs it so it shoots 3 in a spread
unintentionally allowed overlap
which allowed it to consistently murder most enemies point blank
so it got nerfed by having a wider spawn spread
thought it was the case here
mint coral
Thats triple jab
austere loom
oh yeah
that exists
man I'm starting to feel arthur's weakness
even with things going well
it still has noticeable holes in the game plan
even for how "tanky" it makes you
the amount of times it leaves you open easily counteracts taht
rich gulch
Just dodge innit?
rich gulch
It's nice when you do a fat crit with it though...
rigid beacon
So just incase anyone has one already or has resources to maek them to fire to me
My partner got me to play Hades and he and I am now obsessed and we're running a Hades setting DnD for some friends of ours soon I was thinking of making some custom character sheets don't suppose anyone has attempted or knows how to find the lovely wee text boxes and stuff to make that?
Or the menus I suppose would be the other thing to use aha, I could just screenshot from the game but I figured why not ask just incase 🙂
snow skiff
like the ingame text boxes?
rigid beacon
bingo, or the menus wher eyou view records (I just unlokced them)
snow skiff
rigid beacon
Just to check so if I run this it'll grab the stuff from the game to use? 🙂
If so tah you're a legend
snow skiff
if u need help using it lmk
rigid beacon
Use it when I'm in from work really appreciate it ❤️
wraith sand
i have 40bambrosia
Then exchange it for the blood?
deft canyon
Seeing Meg grin is unusual
latent moon
i need to work out how much ambrosia i need first
you need like 11 or something per companion and there's 6 of them, but you only need to max meg + get skelly's so 12, but also you can probably safely trade out like 20 of them and work your way up heat while grinding story progression
faint flint
i've actually done quite ab it of the companions
like i've already unlocked summons vs hades
i'm trying to get to the epilogue
also
forced overtime is HARD
the last two punishments I need to do are underworld customs and forced overtime
lean timber
also btw chaos attack boons suck for eris and luci
how on eris? isn't 75% + attack boon + chaos additive = nice
mint coral
10 dmg pellets
lean timber
is phalanx shot much good
situationally it's okay. in general i wouldn't consider it a great cast esp. on hera. beo it's pretty good, other than that eh. the issue is its tendency to miss = your cast is basically crossmap until you go to retrieve it
lean timber
10 dmg pellets
yeah ig
just feels like with the 75% it should be better but i get it
lean timber
the last two punishments I need to do are underworld customs and forced overtime
underworld customs on its own is the freest heat you will ever use
forced overtime is a clearly different story if you've never done it before
lean timber
for someone new to forced overtime i feel like it falls into that uncanny valley of "i can't tell anything's changed, but i'm getting hit way more" type thing
lean timber
lean timber
well good luck charlie.
mint coral
Oh yeah that one is rough
lean timber
pro tip: i wouldn't
mint coral
warm nimbus
just feels like with the 75% it should be better but i get it
remember its additive lol
faint flint
have you tried fencing with a baseball bat?
lean timber
use rama for fo because as we all know rama is meant to be played with special only, and special is super fast = less hits
also the needles spread to other enemies?? how much more can you ask for
high island
situationally it's okay. in general i wouldn't consider it a great cast esp. on ...
Phalanx Shot is second best on Hera though. 
And overall it's just really good.
high island
underworld customs on its own is the freest heat you will ever use
UC hurts your builds quite a bit, but early on as you get into high heat, it doesn't matter too much yet on most aspects.
high island
It's basically Crush Shot with a little less damage.
lean timber
and an attraction to room borders...
strong ridge
It's basically Crush Shot with a little less damage.
- u can run with it to work as pseudo divine
restive cave
i thought phalanx is not compatible with beowulf
high island
and an attraction to room borders...
That's not a Phalanx Shot issue if you miss your shots.
lean timber
it becomes phalanx flare but does the same thing pretty much
lean timber
That's not a Phalanx Shot issue if you miss your shots.
sage words as always
restive cave
does artemis cast hold the record for most useless cast?
strong ridge
nope
snow skiff
Phalanx Shot is second best on Hera though. <:thanthink:669246004142538753>
Crystal beam:
restive cave
was just about to say ares next lol
lean timber
ok are we talking beo or not cuz that changes it
restive cave
sometimes i ruin my poseidon cast by taking the duo boon with ares
warm nimbus
Phalanx Shot is second best on Hera though. <:thanthink:669246004142538753>
yeah and the second best on hera is pretty awful compared to the best
snow skiff
Artemis cast is the best one for non cast centric builds imo
mint coral
Im just counting flares on the group of casts
high island
It's not awful lol, it's just not in first place.
warm nimbus
it is indeed pretty awful
restive cave
what is the best on hera? trippy flare?
warm nimbus
unless you know breakpoints for everything for your specific build your casts are going to go flying everywhere
and thats if youre on controller with the insane auto aim
lean timber
fo2 letting your enemies just kind of run thru phalanx sometimes if they're going fast enough:
high island
Y'all need to practice more.
snow skiff
True shot hera !!!!!
warm nimbus
on kbm the problem is exacerbated to a ridiculous extent
warm nimbus
Y'all need to practice more. <:thanthink:669246004142538753>
yep if youre too bad just practice more thats all you need to do just practice
snow skiff
Why does flurry cast exist
lean timber
that's true
strong ridge
Why does flurry cast exist
to
lean timber
Why does flurry cast exist
flurry cast if it was allowed on hera:
restive cave
kbm enjoyers 
warm nimbus
if youre having trouble, i recommend practicing
snow skiff
Just magically get skill
high island
It's really not difficult to figure out your breakpoints during your run.
restive cave
ive been spending my time playing TBOI again where my actual skill is required
warm nimbus
It's really not difficult to figure out your breakpoints during your run.
yes it is, because youre build is constantly changing
lean timber
actual skill? hades? unnecessary
high island
I really don't know what you're doing if you're sending your Phalanx Shots flying all over the place.
warm nimbus
maybe it isnt for you but the vast majority of players cant calculate breakpoints on the fly
restive cave
what are break points
high island
what are break points
How many attacks/casts or whatever you need to kill an enemy type.
snow skiff
Pick up plume and grab gr
warm nimbus
what are break points
essentially what exact number of actions you need to take to kill something
so for example, you can one shot an unarmored witch in tart with gilga if you have hc and rr with a single cast
loud citrus
Hi
warm nimbus
or a single cshot with hc and fiery presence will kill wringers/thugs
snow skiff
Cshot moment
warm nimbus
the problem is, especially with cast builds, breakpoints change depending on poms and other sources of scaling
lean timber
honestly i kind of agree that after so long running a certain cast breakpoints become trivial because you begin to memorize it
loud citrus
Btw who is the best god (including chaos)?
snow skiff
Did you know that a sudden rush will make your bull rush charge faster
raw herald
No
lean timber
if i were to pick up phalanx on hera for the first time? i couldn't do it
warm nimbus
so getting mirage shot might completely change everything or it might not and you dont know until you send all of your casts into lava across asphodel
lean timber
but after a few runs i'd get it
high island
You can test early in any biome if you need 1 or 2 Casts for trash mobs and if you need 2 or more for the tankier enemies.
warm nimbus
which is why phalanx shot sucks
lean timber
breakpoints are like the least of your issues tbh
with phalanx
i think it's just preference atp
warm nimbus
breakpoints are like the least of your issues tbh
its not hitting breakpoints that is the issue, its accidently like sending out another cast
raw herald
Makes sense
warm nimbus
and then its across the room because its phalanx shot
raw herald
Reading is hard
warm nimbus
one of the major benefits of crush shot is that if you mess up a bit its not as punishing
restive cave
if an ability says it does more damage to armored foes, and you hit them for like a gorillion damage, will it still require you to use another attack for his red bar right after?
warm nimbus
if an ability says it does more damage to armored foes, and you hit them for lik...
you need to use another
damage wont carry over from armor to normal health
snow skiff
@rmsintcy poseidon 50
raw herald
Ok
warm nimbus
@rmsintcy poseidon 50
rmsintcy?
lean timber
ram city
snow skiff
Pharma city
raw herald
Manchester City
restive cave
roams into city
snow skiff
rmsintcy? <:thanthink:669246004142538753>
Yping is hard ok
warm nimbus
Manchester City
i thought you were scottish
raw herald
I am
warm nimbus
whats the manchester about
lean timber
blocked
raw herald
It’s pure coincidence
warm nimbus
oh fair enough
high island
so getting mirage shot might completely change everything or it might not and yo...
Mirage Shot is literally always 30% unless it's Beowulf or Trippy Flare. That's really not that difficult to gauge. If you think you might be able to kill with one less Cast but aren't sure, you can just send one less the first time to quickly test it and then take it from there.
restive cave
how do you buy 30 of the move speed buffs from the well
warm nimbus
Mirage Shot is literally always 30% unless it's Beowulf or Trippy Flare. That's ...
ok, but what about the times after that when you accidently send another one?
lean timber
how do you buy 30 of the move speed buffs from the well
rerolling + luck + multiple wells + bone hourglass
warm nimbus
"just dont do that" isnt an acceptable solution
high island
Maybe not for you lol.
snow skiff
Just don't do that
warm nimbus
anyways my point is that phalanx shot is bad because your casts will end up getting sent across the room no matter what
high island
If you want to believe that, sure.
warm nimbus
its going to happen a decent number of times because accidents happen, especially at lower level play
the "just dont do that" solution is terrible advice
lean timber
pretty sure it's trolling atp lol
restive cave
any other games that are similar to hades that you guys enjoy?
lean timber
i think given the option to pick the 2nd best hera cast, i would say true shot is my pick. but i dunno tbh
warm nimbus
any other games that are similar to hades that you guys enjoy?
although its not exactly a roguelike, i enjoy terraria a lot
snow skiff
Hades is pretty unique as far as roguelites go tbh
warm nimbus
i feel like it has a lot of focus on skill based gameplay in the same way that hades does
which is really rewarding
high island
I was never talking about lower level play. I was talking about the build. If you can't play Zeus Aspect, that doesn't mean Zeus Aspect is bad.
lean timber
hades
skill based
restive cave
although its not exactly a roguelike, i enjoy terraria a lot
lol i recently played the hell out of terarria, then went back and played the hell out of the calamity mod right after xD
high island
i think given the option to pick the 2nd best hera cast, i would say true shot i...
True Shot doesn't even have AOE.
snow skiff
True shot hera sucks
high island
Trippy Flare much better than that.
warm nimbus
I was never talking about lower level play. I was talking about the build. If yo...
no but just because its good or fine to use doesnt mean its easy
high island
Flood Shot also much better.
raw herald
Trippy Hera kinda sucks
warm nimbus
lol i recently played the hell out of terarria, then went back and played the he...
lmao based, calamity is so good
snow skiff
Blizzard shot hera
lean timber
Blizzard shot hera
i've got that before. it was fun
warm nimbus
i think terraria is actually the most similar game to hades that i know even though they arent in the same genre
snow skiff
They should let you get curse of drowning on hera
restive cave
some of the music is really really well done, i know its like a mod but it feels like an entirely new game lol
warm nimbus
They should let you get curse of drowning on hera
codra would be so cursed
high island
@raw herald that's what I tried to tell 'em lol.
warm nimbus
better than codwulf though
snow skiff
Blizzard flare when
restive cave
i think both games just require you to get gud at not getting hit and the similarities end there i'd say lol
raw herald
Fire flare
warm nimbus
i tried codwulf the other day its really awful
snow skiff
Ring of fire
raw herald
Omg
warm nimbus
ring of cod
raw herald
Rod of cod
warm nimbus
Rod of cod
roc
raw herald
Cod has a use
lean timber
imagine getting ap2'd into cod beo
raw herald
Cod nets you 350 gold
snow skiff
Isn't it 400
raw herald
I think it varies
snow skiff
i tried codwulf the other day its really awful
Wait does that actually work?
lean timber
yep
raw herald
Wait does that actually work?
It’s not good
high island
no but just because its good or fine to use doesnt mean its easy
There were plenty of decent Phalanx Shot runs on Hera before Crush Shot meta became so dominant. It's not really too difficult, y'all just don't use it.
restive cave
i feel like it has a lot of focus on skill based gameplay in the same way that h...
you'd probably really like dead cells then, on steam it has overwhelmingly positive reviews and shares these qualities you mentioned with hades
raw herald
Prerequisite
warm nimbus
How the hell does that work
when the casts pop its as if you used cod
raw herald
Isn’t flood flare the only Poseidon prerequisite
lean timber
yeah
warm nimbus
you'd probably really like dead cells then, on steam it has overwhelmingly posit...
eh, i found dead cells to be a bit meh
warm nimbus
yeah it sucks
raw herald
I couldnt get into dead cells personally
snow skiff
Downgrade !!!
lean timber
cells. interlinked
mint coral
Best thing is that it blocks mirage
snow skiff
Dead cells is super mid i'm ngl
restive cave
i was turned to Hades by a game called Ruiner lol, not nearly as good as hades but was still very enjoyable
high island
Curse of Drowning just always kinda sucked from the start and never got better. 
raw herald
Cod talos
high island
Sucks.
restive cave
what is cod
high island
Curse of Drowning.
lean timber
call of duty
raw herald
Doody
raw herald
Dem attack sucks
warm nimbus
what is cod
curse of drowning, its the pos/ares duo boon that makes your cast pulse 3 times around you instead of functioning like normal
snow skiff
Take dem special man idk
warm nimbus
its decent on ME builds but sucks for pretty much everything else
lean timber
Dem attack sucks
on what
raw herald
Fist
snow skiff
It sucks on me builds
restive cave
ive taken it a few times i just didnt remember the name, it ruined my run a couple times lol
lean timber
it does??
warm nimbus
It sucks on me builds
no, its good for ME builds
lean timber
you rly think?
raw herald
It “solves” styx but so does breaking wave
snow skiff
Taking poseidon means you get less of the highly specific 6 boons that you want to pick up
high island
Blizzard Shot on Talos is way better than Curse of Drowning. Plus if you want to take Doom anyway, why on earth would you go for Curse of Drowning over ME.
raw herald
And you really just want zeus and arty on fists as support
snow skiff
Blizzard Shot on Talos is way better than Curse of Drowning. Plus if you want to...
Prophecies!!!!!
warm nimbus
Taking poseidon means you get less of the highly specific 6 boons that you want ...
well yeah you want to pick up flood shot after you get ME
but its good to get if you can
high island
Prophecies!!!!!
If you finished all of your prophecies except that one because you refuse to pick up Curse of Drowning, I won't be upset with you.
warm nimbus
i heard theres this thing called the "epilogue"?
high island
i still havent finished this one
lean timber
wait who's the queen lol
warm nimbus
ooh i have some more really based unfinished prophecies
look, i dont play fists
so based
raw herald
Long knuckle so pog tho
warm nimbus
yeah but fists isnt
latent moon
wait who's the queen lol
i can't tell if this is supposed to be a joke or not lmao
lean timber
long is probably tied for 1st or at least 2nd best fists hammer
warm nimbus
gilga is the only aspect i havent unlocked
latent moon
long is probably tied for 1st or at least 2nd best fists hammer
1st or 2nd if it's not demeter, with demeter it's somewhere in the top 3
high island
If I'd never unlocked Gilgamesh, I'd never have been as disappointed in Gilgamesh.
I envy you.
raw herald
My fists clear number on my victory screen acrtualy increased when i used the wiper
warm nimbus
sadly i unlocked talos because i was trying some ri4 lc4 em4 td3 js2 cp2 talos arty attack pos special runs the other day
latent moon
why would you do that
high island
Imagine the poor dev who poured their heart and soul into balancing Gilgamesh reading chat any time we talk about Gilgamesh. 
snow skiff
Reasons
latent moon
i can't think of any good reasons lmao
warm nimbus
sadly i unlocked talos because i was trying some ri4 lc4 em4 td3 js2 cp2 talos a...
more specifically, the build is that you actually start arty attack and draining cutter and then go for dio special to get splitting headache
and then sell dio special and get pos special
snow skiff
Then u purge Dio special and pick up tempest flourish
warm nimbus
yep
snow skiff
For the insane yoyo build
raw herald
And then purge talos
warm nimbus
i got the advice from a hades pro who beat 55+ heat
latent moon
what's the point of splitting headache then??
snow skiff
It gives crit chancr
raw herald
400 gold
high island
Breaching Cross >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Long Knuckle. Not even a competition.
snow skiff
Really op
warm nimbus
what's the point of splitting headache then??
its really useful in the build
latent moon
snow skiff
its really useful in the build
After that you take dio again and pick up his call to activate splitting head ache
warm nimbus
Actually i think long knuckle is much greater
nah here ill paste the advice here
so with aspect of talos you're gonna be doing a lot of yoyoing
because of that your special will be doing a ton of damage, make sure to pick up draining cutter for that reason
snow skiff
Actually i think long knuckle is much greater
Long knuckle is closer to the top
Than breaching cross
So yeah
warm nimbus
breaching cross is the worst hammer because it means youll be doing less yoyoing
snow skiff
So true
warm nimbus
Ahh so i should use legacy then
i mean yeah but youre on ri4 anyways
snow skiff
I still have to try that run for myself
warm nimbus
I still have to try that run for myself
it honestly was pretty fun
until i got to furies
snow skiff
raw herald
I hated it the whole time
warm nimbus
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1007734879930302474/1013339606164439051...
oh yeah so the reason you want to be using ri4 and em4 is because they give the most heat when maxed out
which is really great
high island
Hey, I didn't discover the special cancel tech for y'all to not use it and do the terrible yoyoing instead. I demand reparations.
warm nimbus
lol i love all of the "talos is better bc of the tech" stuff lmao
doesnt help when the special takes 3 years
latent moon
Hey, I didn't discover the special cancel tech for y'all to not use it and do th...
what tech is this lmao
snow skiff
The special cancel tech is really op when you get splitting headache and dio special
latent moon
maybe itll make talos more fun if i actually try to do fancy stuff
snow skiff
Talos black out is legitimately kind of interesting
warm nimbus
The special cancel tech is really op when you get splitting headache and dio spe...
true true
raw herald
Dash strike Arthur tech is the best tech
snow skiff
Double edge arthur > shadow slash arthur
warm nimbus
true
snow skiff
Plays so much more nicely
raw herald
Epic greater reflex Arthur zagwow
snow skiff
Attack combo sucks too much
latent moon
not using arthur > using arthur
high island
what tech is this lmao
Dash-cancel your Special immediately after pressing it, pretty much. You apply the debuff/do the pull and immediately cancel into dash. If you do it fast enough, you'll only see a short purple flash before a dash and otherwise it'll look pretty much just like a regular dash.
raw herald
Oh man ive got so many things on my hades to do list
snow skiff
My max heat on lucifer is still 24 lmao
high island
None of that terrible Uppercut.
latent moon
interesting
raw herald
You’ll prob get luci first try
latent moon
Also what next
what do you have left?
snow skiff
Lucy free which is why i haven't done it yet
raw herald
Do hestia
warm nimbus
Dash-cancel your Special immediately after pressing it, pretty much. You apply t...
im still convinced that this is worse than just zag fisting lol
raw herald
But with a really stupid pact
snow skiff
what do you have left?
All spears - gy, all shields - beo, chiron rama, all fists - gilga, all rails - eris
high island
I mean Zag Fists are better than Talos, yeah.
latent moon
All spears - gy, all shields - beo, chiron rama, all fists - gilga, all rails - ...
do rama lmao
latent moon
i've been scammed
snow skiff
Rama was ez
latent moon
do chiron
warm nimbus
also guys guess what 2 aspects have the 2 fastest average ely sub6 splits
snow skiff
Why is high voltage in the game
snow skiff
also guys guess what 2 aspects have the 2 fastest average ely sub6 splits
Zagrail and chaos
snow skiff
Does chaos have sub6
raw herald
No
latent moon
also guys guess what 2 aspects have the 2 fastest average ely sub6 splits
talos and zag fist
warm nimbus
talos and zag fist
1/2
raw herald
Record is 6:19
latent moon
which half
warm nimbus
the latter
snow skiff
Zagfists and zagspear
warm nimbus
Zagfists and zagspear
very close
latent moon
hades spear
snow skiff
Gy
raw herald
alright
warm nimbus
this game is awesome
latent moon
lmfao
warm nimbus
Is it just because nobody plays those aspects
low number of sub6s = statistical anomalies
raw herald
i how many of these i can knock out in one day: pos50, gy50, gig50, anyheatpb, 50beopb
warm nimbus
i how many of these i can knock out in one day: pos50, gy50, gig50, anyheatpb, 5...
gll
snow skiff
Gy50 is easy
raw herald
gy 50 seems easiest
latent moon
i love the abundance of beo and hera and then you get to the bottom and it's just 1 person
raw herald
literally made it to lernie without losing a dd
warm nimbus
i think the best ive gotten is anyheat pb and heat pb
raw herald
but i had dds on lmaoooo
warm nimbus
which ive done twice
warm nimbus
lc0 sd
wraith sand
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/845087924717486140/1013875343477719100/...
what is beowulf an aspect of?
latent moon
Big dinner plate goes boom
warm nimbus
sucks for everything else
latent moon
Oh that makes me feel a little better on my room clearing lmao
warm nimbus
Oh that makes me feel a little better on my room clearing lmao
it was a joke
latent moon
Shush let me have this
warm nimbus
"beo has over 5x as many sub6s as any other aspect"
latent moon
It's definitely not because of my aim or enemy grouping
warm nimbus
"however, it sucks at pretty much everything"
latent moon
Exactly
warm nimbus
warm nimbus
yeah
mint coral
Is basically a door
warm nimbus
also beo has all of the fastest boss splits
the unseeded beo heroes wr is literally faster than the routed wr on eris
same for furies i think lol
idk about lernie
raw herald
Gy
snow skiff
just got ap2 hyper delivery
Cheater
high island
Zag Spear has the best average run with 0 variance. Zag Spear confirmed most consistently fast aspect.
warm nimbus
yep pretty much
snow skiff
Arthur sub6 when
warm nimbus
idk how about you try grinding it
high island
Arthur sub6 when
After the next balance patch.
snow skiff
idk how about you try grinding it
I don't play speed
warm nimbus
I don't play speed
you should its fun
tepid light
person below me has to use chaos shield in their next run
warm nimbus
no
tepid light
alright well since feather is a little bint and won't play along, i guess you're the one doing it
have fun
tepid light
gy?
raw herald
Guan yu
lean timber
Imagine the poor dev who poured their heart and soul into balancing Gilgamesh re...
gilga at a novice level is balanced... it simply can't reach what the other aspects can sadly. dev did okay 👍
slim geyser
sometimes something just must be the objective worst
tepid light
disagreed, talos doesn't make you take +50% dmg
people have distaste for both aspects
but gilga's downside is far more crippling than talos'
the worst aspect in the game, as well all know, is poseidon
mental vale
talos is playable as zagfists with no downsides
lean timber
you might not be wrong actually
patent mesa
the 15% dodge chance isn't anything to slouch at imo
survivability is always good on fists so I think zag > talos for that reason
at least at high heat
lean timber
automatic rare greater evasion is pretty epic
patent mesa
actually it's pretty rare
lean timber
ah. ahaha. funnee
warm nimbus
yeah zag fists is probably better than talos for speed too lol
patent mesa
I would've assumed special would be good for speeding up rooms tbh
warm nimbus
the tech can help but youre mostly using your special in tart to kill like witches and stuff
and thats just a terrible idea on talos
lean timber
is there a tech guide or
patent mesa
wouldn't zfists' only benefit be keeping HC up longer
tepid light
i just really like how talos special gives you both utility and a damage buff
lean timber
cuz i've never heard of this
warm nimbus
ofc i dont actually know anything about speedy fists but thats just my understanding
warm nimbus
wouldn't zfists' only benefit be keeping HC up longer
and the fact that it has a useable special
warm nimbus
yeah thats why it sucks lol
lean timber
sure do
tepid light
i don't think i've used any of the zag aspects since i unlocked the other aspects
warm nimbus
good
lean timber
zag sword remains on top for me tbh
patent mesa
that's normal but I think it's worth re-exploring some of them
warm nimbus
^^
rustic vale
wouldn't zfists' only benefit be keeping HC up longer
Keeping your own hp is also good
patent mesa
use zag shield
warm nimbus
use zag bow
tepid light
i've heard good things about some of them, yeah
rustic vale
I like every zag aspect
warm nimbus
use zag shield
zag shield sucks
lean timber
zag shield, bow, sword are top three the rest suck balls
imo
well zag fists are cool
warm nimbus
zag sword
rustic vale
All the zag aspects = good
warm nimbus
zag spear is way better than zag sword lol
lean timber
zag sword is so good idk what to tell y'all
rustic vale
Zag spear id gaming
lean timber
that speed buff is great
rustic vale
RD buff*
tepid light
tbh i don't think i'll ever use zag spear much, i adore achilles too much
lean timber
rly? like what
tepid light
i don't use any mods, to be clear
lean timber
technically or wdym
tepid light
don't really plan on it
rustic vale
rly? like what
You need exploding and charged
patent mesa
if you don't have exploding launcher or flurry jab it's actually a worthless aspect
like literally does nothing
patent mesa
well you can kill enemies with it
you'll just be doing it 50x slower than other aspects
lean timber
well of course, it's spear 
tepid light
tbh part of the reason why i pref achilles is because otherwise spear's special just feels so bad
patent mesa
you're exactly correct
patent mesa
non achilles/gy/exploding launcher special is arguably the worst move in the entire game
lean timber
what are the contenders lmao
patent mesa
only maybe challenged by non hades/gy spin attack
rustic vale
default spear special easily worst button in the game
uh special button on beo
tepid light
which is why i just use spear special as a very nice mobility and buff tool via achilles
and wreck faces
lean timber
uh special button on beo
better than spear
tepid light
beo special is pretty good in my experience, far better than regular shield special at least
rustic vale
🤔
patent mesa
compared to the cast part of the weapon it's worthless
but compared to spear special it's not even close
lean timber
pretty much
tepid light
also since i enjoy taking extending jab
i have even less reason to use the spear special
lean timber
should be at least fo2 em4 levels of speed
warm nimbus
I actually do think zag sword isn't a bottom tier aspect
i mean yeah its better than pos sword lol
lean timber
but it's slow as hell
warm nimbus
but its def like bottom 10
warm nimbus
true
patent mesa
we should make a high heat tier list
warm nimbus
unlike pos sword
tepid light
ofc being better than pos sword is like being smarter than mattyboi, it's not much of an achievement
warm nimbus
we should make a high heat tier list
i make speed you make high heat
patent mesa
not unreasonably high but something like the 40-55 range
lean timber
ofc being better than pos sword is like being smarter than mattyboi, it's not mu...
wtf
patent mesa
well maybe more like 45-55
tepid light
gottem
warm nimbus
actually lets each make both thatd be funny
patent mesa
bet
lean timber
i'd be interested to see how off-color my versions would be compared to y'all's
tepid light
matty dw you know i love you
warm nimbus
yeah
i cant differentiate the fists aspects
which ones are which?
i know gilga but not the other 3
warm nimbus
smart
ok theres high heat
these are based on how good i am at them and also how cool they are
patent mesa
unordered?
warm nimbus
so the ranking might be a little biased
warm nimbus
unordered?
yeah
patent mesa
https://imgur.com/EXRLN9W here's mine
warm nimbus
unordered im assuming?
warm nimbus
hm yeah i should move swords down
warm nimbus
and trying not to be biased
ok i should do one like that lol
patent mesa
I was considering arthur C
it can tank 40-50 pretty alright
gilga D is probably smarter tbh, I prefer arthur over gilga
patent mesa
https://imgur.com/jW237WZ but yeah we pretty much came up with the same thing
patent mesa
I abstain
warm nimbus
bruh
patent mesa
my ranking would be horrific
warm nimbus
https://imgur.com/M9xY4Bc meh
nice talos
patent mesa
for rama I figured it's mostly one megasweat
patent mesa
jesus you scared me
warm nimbus
lemme change something lmao
patent mesa
talos A tier let's go
warm nimbus
for rama I figured it's mostly one megasweat
p much lol but it has so much unutilized potential
raw herald
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/676266365123952689/1013898546858180668/IMG_3651.png here’s mine
warm nimbus
https://imgur.com/M9xY4Bc meh
you were pretty good for the most part lol
patent mesa
you're unordered
warm nimbus
is eris really better than achilles?
warm nimbus
oh true
patent mesa
you struggle a lot after asphodel
warm nimbus
sometimes i like to think what couldve been with the 4:55
patent mesa
wait wrong server
warm nimbus
if only it had a good aspho
raw herald
Probably quicker than 4:55
patent mesa
high heat rankings is so much more interesting than speed change my mind
high island
Hera slander in chat.
warm nimbus
yep
hollow sun
Asphodel=💩
high island
Modded and unmodded tier lists are pretty different for high heat.
warm nimbus
yeah, we said modded
high island
Like, ain't no way Guan Yu is anywhere near high in unmodded. Aspect basically doesn't exist without Charged Skewer in high heat lol.
patent mesa
unmodded players restarting after their first hammer downgrades an already nonfunctional weapon:
warm nimbus
same for zag shield
high island
Zag Shield is fine.
patent mesa
tbh you could probably flat soup zshield pretty decently
warm nimbus
without cshot not really lol
high island
Still fine without Charged Shot, but obviously a noticeable difference.
warm nimbus
the problem is is that you need damage and without cshot zag shield doesnt really have that
high island
Compared to Guan Yu just being garbage without Charged skewer.
warm nimbus
its pretty difficult to fds on ap2
mint coral
Pulv blow strats /j
warm nimbus
true
patent mesa
yeah the main issue with unmodded zshield for me is tartarus
it can be so easy to time out
after that you can probably try rolling for smair or something
raw herald
Unmodded zag shield sucks lol
high island
Just go ME or Drunken Strike.
patent mesa
dio attack seems pretty decent
high island
Drunken Strike saves all the melee aspects in high heat lol.
mint coral
When it doubt, get drunk
patent mesa
and frankly I feel like with such a safe weapon you can run aspect of dio call a lot of the time
warm nimbus
Just go ME or Drunken Strike. <:dusa:522248771409543188>
wow what a great idea
high island
Explosive Return is also a pivot option.
patent mesa
the ultimate cope pick
warm nimbus
er on zag shield??
high island
At least there's options.
warm nimbus
theres still options on gy
high island
Sure, it's Chaos Aspect with better attack damage.
high island
theres still options on gy
Yeah, you can walk on magma.
warm nimbus
Yeah, you can walk on magma.
or idk get like breaching or mark
high island
Guan Yu Breaching still sucks without Charged Skewer.
patent mesa
quick spin gaming time
warm nimbus
can always take one of the spin hammers and die
patent mesa
flaring spin hard counters rat rooms allegedly
warm nimbus
Guan Yu Breaching still sucks without Charged Skewer.
ehh its fine
high island
Quick-Spin-Dash into magma.
patent mesa
which is broken
signal aspen
Facts
warm nimbus
tbh i prefer arty on most things over aphro until like ap2
i like the scaling you can get from arty t2s
and chaos/hermes if youre lucky
signal aspen
Arty attack fists 😍
warm nimbus
i have been blocked by nyaanyaa it appears
patent mesa
just set first hammer to heavy knuckle
patent mesa
i have been blocked by nyaanyaa it appears
wait what
raw herald
thats a good emoji of aphrodite
a! ac-10
patent mesa
how can you tell
patent mesa
lmao aphrocredits
if she actually blocked you that's like the most pathetic thing ever
signal aspen
if she actually blocked you that's like the most pathetic thing ever
You gonna get blocked too
warm nimbus
if she actually blocked you that's like the most pathetic thing ever
yep, she does that
raw herald
Blocked%
patent mesa
I would be honored to be blocked by someone that dumb tbh
warm nimbus
lmao
patent mesa
no joking allowed in my server
warm nimbus
the list of people i know she has blocked is me aoeui ocaml and i think cgull
patent mesa
bruh
warm nimbus
probably a load of others
patent mesa
that's so pathetic
warm nimbus
yeah, oh well
warm nimbus
if she wants to do that she can, idrc
patent mesa
I wanna do that as well
warm nimbus
lmao
narrow hemlock
Hey folks, first and final warning: do not insult and/or otherwise disrespect others over who they choose to block, and for what reason. If, for some reason, you do feel entitled to such sentiments, I would kindly redirect you back to our community guidelines in #readme-first and remind you that this type of discussion is not what our community strives to uphold. If someone blocks you, that's their own prerogative and should really be the end of the matter.
patent mesa
surely it's okay to point out the hypocrisy in calling a build trash then blocking someone for joking about how a god is trash
narrow hemlock
It doesn't matter, move on.
patent mesa
k
nope, she's awful and you should purge all her boons
aphro = 🗑️
sometimes you're on routine inspection so you can't roll away from aphro chambers
so you have no choice but to take them and purge asap
raw herald
I unironically take life affirmation in beo speedruns as it isn’t pommable, so I can purge it later
patent mesa
based aphro hater
slim geyser
topic switching: if there was a theoretical dlc what would you include in it
patent mesa
like 30 quality of life changes
patent mesa
4 cores on first boon, every level of TD drops max satyr sack, skippable begin and end cutscene etc etc
slim geyser
also i think apollo would be really fun, the mods pretty great
mint coral
Add a codex entry for bouldy
raw herald
Mistral dash doing 90 damage at epic level 1 would be POG
slim geyser
Add a codex entry for bouldy
SO TRUE
patent mesa
also i think apollo would be really fun, the mods pretty great
yeah he would be way better than certain other gods
mint coral
Achilles would be very confused but i'd love it
brisk trail
also i think apollo would be really fun, the mods pretty great
oooo yea I'd like to see his boons
slim geyser
yeah he would be way better than certain other gods
patent mesa
especially since his blind status is superior to other statuses that also reduce damage in some way
brisk trail
Add a codex entry for bouldy
fr
patent mesa
chance of miss I think
the best survivability status, far superior to other survivability statuses that will go unnamed
warm nimbus
yeah he would be way better than certain other gods
anyways blind isnt a particularly interesting effect imo
but its still pretty cool
some of the t2s and duos i remember being cool though
patent mesa
unironically I do have a hard time thinking of other status effects
warm nimbus
does anybody have the boon list?
slim geyser
what other status effects would yall add
warm nimbus
what other status effects would yall add
confusion from terraria
honestly think thats pretty unique as far as status effects go and i like it