Heck yeah beo is inevitable
#h1-discussion
latent moon
warm nimbus
like for example dumbass is still allowed even though some probably less bad words arent
dusky solar
okay i shall stop using asterisks
high island
They just delete the message and say something anyway, so you don't really need to worry too much if you're not breaking the rules on purpose.
tepid light
high island
They probably wouldn't ping you if it happened a while ago when they see it.
dusky solar
yeah no feather duster, can we agree that it stops being funny to criticise someone for their choices once they full understand the implications?
and/or consequences?
its like 4 am and i dont want to keep arguing over a choice ive willingly subjected myself to
warm nimbus
alright
dusky solar
thank you
latent moon
Wait isn't it 4 am for both of you
warm nimbus
Wait isn't it 4 am for both of you
yes
latent moon
Both of you go to sleep smh
dusky solar
i aswell formerly apologise if i have done the same likewise to you
warm nimbus
Both of you go to sleep smh
its the weekend
dusky solar
i dont have school or a job rn
warm nimbus
its the weekend
whats the bouldy for
dusky solar
i am currently studying streaming careers and planning to take personal financing and literature college courses
latent moon
Fix your sleep schedule lmao
high island
Wait isn't it 4 am for both of you
It's 7:48.
warm nimbus
Fix your sleep schedule lmao
i have for the most part
i go to bed like 12:30-1:30 on weekdays
dusky solar
at this point my schedule is just 4 am - noon every day
warm nimbus
and my classes start at 10 mwf and at 8 tt so i think im fine
latent moon
Not me at almost 1 and having to wake up at 6 today lmao
warm nimbus
Not me at almost 1 and having to wake up at 6 today lmao
wait i thought you were est as well
youre pst?
latent moon
Yeah
warm nimbus
unbased
latent moon
True
dusky solar
i will never take college for a degree because half of the gen ed courses required will never apply to my life and as someone who plans to be self employed i have no need for any form of certificate of qualifications
dusky solar
i just want to learn more literature and media class things and also take a finance course so i can make a stable job
dusky solar
my biggest reason for learning literature is i base a lot of my passive witty humor on being pointlessly verbose and the more i know about language the funnier that will be, and funny moments is part of what makes a streamer popular
warm nimbus
i wish i could be pointlessly verbose
dusky solar
for example did you know the word floccinaucinihilipilification is a verb that stands for the action of considering something as utterly useless
warm nimbus
that would make writing english papers a lot easier
latent moon
I don't think I can use that word in any sort of English paper
warm nimbus
when i write papers i feel like i am perfectly concise but that does not meet the word count
dusky solar
im just good at remembering complicated adjectives so i can use them in witty lines later
warm nimbus
when i write papers i feel like i am perfectly concise but that does not meet th...
like i read other papers and its like "wow you couldve taken out 75% of this sentence and it would still have the exact same meaning" and yet that doesnt matter
dusky solar
I don't think I can use that word in any sort of English paper
its chiefly used for the existence of itself- it is a pointless word to use that describes an action of deciding that something- often the word itself - is useless
warm nimbus
its chiefly used for the existence of itself- it is a pointless word to use that...
i wouldnt say that theyre useless
even the word itself
im a big fan of a wide array of descriptors
dusky solar
but it would be grammatically correct to use it in a sentence as such; "I floccinaucinihilipilificate the use of drugs, as they serve to no benefits and only come with punishments for their short term gratification"
latent moon
dusky solar
ahhh, i love literature
warm nimbus
but it would be grammatically correct to use it in a sentence as such; "I flocci...
ok well thats a useless and also made up word
dusky solar
that is NOT made up
warm nimbus
i didnt say by you
latent moon
Man the only vaguely English language related thing i can do is call people weird things like a wet doorknob
dusky solar
but still- the action of considering something as useless is a real action and therefore needed a name.
warm nimbus
look it up its real
from what i can see this seems like a coined word that became semi popular because people thought it was funny
warm nimbus
but still- the action of considering something as useless is a real action and t...
well indeed but that word isnt useless
latent moon
All language is made up 
warm nimbus
or rather that concept isnt
latent moon
Language is a scam created by bookstores to sell more books
dusky solar
its an extension to the use of 'consider', but it still has uses if not for its awkward length and pronunciation
warm nimbus
the coined word used to describe it is useless when you could use more concise wording in less syllables, though
and is also more widely known
dusky solar
from what i can see this seems like a coined word that became semi popular becau...
there is no true rule on wether a word is real enough- communication and therefore language is any kind of signal that is understood by its intended receiver
there is an official dictionary for those words that are known commonly, but new words show up every day
just because its considered slang, the word poggers is part of language because its used and understood by others
warm nimbus
there is no true rule on wether a word is real enough- communication and therefo...
believe me, im no academy- i recognize and agree with the foundation of modern linguistics being based on descriptivism, but useless words are useless
dusky solar
or rather just because its slang, it doesnt mean it isnt a word
dusky solar
believe me, im no academy- i recognize and agree with the foundation of modern l...
and i love useless words.
warm nimbus
that makes one of us
dusky solar
isnt that enough of a use?
warm nimbus
what is?
dusky solar
so what if the chief use of a word is the comedy surrounding its existence- its still a use
warm nimbus
feels like more of a one off
and it isnt funny to the people that dont know it, which is almost everyone
dusky solar
until someone pops it mid sentence when you arent expecting it
hasnt happened to me yet, but hey i could do it myself
warm nimbus
until someone pops it mid sentence when you arent expecting it
right and the ensuing conversation goes like this:
"what the hell did you just say?"
"blah blah bla blah lah"
"thats not a real word"
"yes it is look it up"
"oh huh i guess it is a real word"
dusky solar
and that can be funny!
dusky solar
and if they do know the word then it would still be funny anyway because why in the fresh hell would anyone use it
not knowing that the reason it was used was to create said confusion
why do we always argue
why are we like thos
i need sleep
goodnight
lean timber
oh skill issue
spice hare
brisk trail
JUST MAXED OUT HERMES LETS GO
karmic gulch
Please tell me how sir
karmic gulch
it's a waiting game
Damn
austere loom
yeah just buckle up and play until you get it
don't burn yourself out
although
for Dionysus
karmic gulch
So i need to have the Ambrosia in my inventory till she does?
brisk trail
dialogue triggers mostly
Yeah
austere loom
his Dialogue triggered after I gave certain amount of ambrosia to those who can take it
it might be similar to that
for those that can remember
is the first god you Ambrosia'd Artemis?
karmic gulch
Ive never Ambrosia's anyone beofre
brisk trail
I used his keepsake and he gave me a heart bcs yes
austere loom
not sure about that
brisk trail
I don't really know
karmic gulch
I mean Aphrodite's boons are usually great anyway
brisk trail
I like took every single Hermes boon I saw
brisk trail
I mean Aphrodite's boons are usually great anyway
they are, ngl
austere loom
that the keepsake may not be the sole trigger
brisk trail
that the keepsake may not be the sole trigger
Prob not
loud citrus
sup
karmic gulch
Ok so, its basically a gamble till she wants the Ambrosia?
loud citrus
whats the topic of disscussion?
karmic gulch
whats the topic of disscussion?
Maxxing out gods
austere loom
ambrosia unlocks
loud citrus
oh
brisk trail
yea
loud citrus
bro, for me ambrosia is useless
karmic gulch
Its good For trades
austere loom
just wait
karmic gulch
Especially when you get "One Ambrosia to get Titan's blood
austere loom
oh here
apparently you need to ||give Ambrosia to Dusa and Than and/or Meg||
for Aphrodite
karmic gulch
So Ambrosia's arent that Useless if you finished maxxing out your God Waifus/Husbandos
karmic gulch
apparently you need to ||give Ambrosia to Dusa and Than and/or Meg||
Wut
austere loom
yeah they're relatively late game
austere loom
might be the trigger
karmic gulch
I go meg
austere loom
it might be both but
karmic gulch
Wait so that means i need THREE ambrosias?
austere loom
6 prob
maybe more
don't worry
I started having like 20 at a giventime
I stock up faster than I use em
karmic gulch
Means i have to beat Asterius/Theseus a Looooot
austere loom
I'm the opposite
got so good I can't catch the lower ranked fish
I need like the small fish in Chaos' dimension
karmic gulch
You can fish in Chaos's dimension??
Welp
Time to Grind Keys and Nectars
And ambrosians
brisk trail
So Ambrosia's arent that Useless if you finished maxxing out your God Waifus/Hus...
ikr
austere loom
You can fish in Chaos's dimension??
7% chance
maybe 27% with Uncle Poseidon's legendary boon
brisk trail
dayum
austere loom
and guaranteed if you can buy a fishing lure from the well before going in
livid burrow
You can fish in Chaos's dimension??
literally the only fish set I'm missing😭
formal sinew
I catch fish with my eyes closed
Because the rumble feedback from the controller tells me when it's actually sunk
Eyes open just tricks me sometimes
scenic vapor
I have epic lightening strike lv2, got offered heroic heartbreak strike lv2, should I replace or leave it?
Rail weapon
austere loom
I have epic lightening strike lv2, got offered heroic heartbreak strike lv2, sho...
don't
heartbreak strike is good for slow BIG hits
but lightning strike is too good on rail
the high fire rate makes the flat damage better
austere loom
zeus is the only flat damage attack boon, right?
karmic gulch
And
I just Lost Against Hades 2nd Phase
Beacuse i accidentally Purged Hazard bomb for Flurry Fire
karmic gulch
Yeah uh
I think i woule have beaten Hades again if i didnt 😭
Sadder is i had like a lot of boosts on it too
So it went from 800~ish damage to only 280
Basically in tickling Hades
lean timber
zeus is the only flat damage attack boon, right?
doom
rustic vale
dio moment
austere loom
those are more debuffs than flat damage bonuses
like Zeus kinda scales with attack speed
those kinda cap
raw herald
It’s still flat damage
austere loom
yeah
raw herald
Since it doesn’t change with base damage
austere loom
but I was talking more along the lines of what zeus does
also just had a personal best speed of 16:34
with Eris rail
raw herald
Nice
austere loom
which reminds me
been watching speedruns casually
of various games
and damn, those dudes are crazy
rustic vale
like Zeus kinda scales with attack speed
Not really because even zeus strike has an internal cooldown iirc
austere loom
Not really because even zeus strike has an internal cooldown iirc
huh
the more you know
but he scales the best from what I can see
lean timber
i mean if you want to be technical, doom and hangover are considered status curses while lightning isn't a curse, just a source of damage
so chain lighting is your only flat damage attack source
rustic vale
Not really because even zeus strike has an internal cooldown iirc
The other zeus boons definitely have internal cooldowns
lean timber
i think strike does too
austere loom
yeah heard about lighting flourish
at the start, I kinda disliked the rail
all it had was attack speed
but after upgrading both Aspects, it's become probably my favorite of the bunch
haven't played with Lucifer enough to form a solid opinion
rustic vale
Luci 
strong ridge
Not really because even zeus strike has an internal cooldown iirc
thunder bolts have int cd chain lightning is per strike
rustic vale
I know the thunderbolts yave int cd
strong ridge
mmmmmmmmybe
raw herald
Bolts are 0.2s, chain lightning is 0.15s
strong ridge
idr think so but \o/
strong ridge
Bolts are 0.2s, chain lightning is 0.15s
kk
rustic vale
Bolts are 0.2s, chain lightning is 0.15s
I am always correct
raw herald
except your tag
rustic vale
Never been wrong in my life ever
austere loom
what're the numbers in this week's Lotto?
strong ridge
21
strong ridge
what weaps can outpace the cd for chain strike?
rustic vale
Presumably flurry strike rail with swift strike
double edge on sword
pulv blow shield as well
austere loom
Presumably flurry strike rail with swift strike
coincidentally, I just had those boons
though swift strike was rare and not Ebin
rustic vale
Delta fire on rail as well
rustic vale
Base delta had a 0.035 delay between shots
strong ridge
aint no way
rustic vale
maybe I’m wrong about delts fire
strong ridge
idrk im doin a bit
rustic vale
Serrated point perhaps
rustic vale
Bolts are 0.2s, chain lightning is 0.15s
Do you have the internal cooldown for support fire as well?
strong ridge
like wouldnt it be cool if at any point in the game there was any text anywhere mentioning internal cd
hades tooltips worst part of the game which says a lot
rustic vale
hades tooltips only bad part of game
strong ridge
yes
austere loom
lmao
this brings me back to Dota 2
damn that game gets real technical in some parts
strong ridge
i belif
could never really get into it tho
rustic vale
time for me to get wr anyheat after not touching my switch for a week
strong ridge
uu time babey
strong ridge
it's infamous for a steep learning curve
skill check: the game
austere loom
I want to try speedrunning Hades but I don't want to break either my controller
or my hands
austere loom
speaking of, tried a bunch of Roguelikes
and in the action section, Hades is a pretty good contender for the top spot
it's hard enough to be a challenge
but not really a chore
strong ridge
you can make it one, though
rustic vale
This feels like a merciful end zag rail type of game
austere loom
I played Gungeon until decent level of completion
strong ridge
This feels like a merciful end zag rail type of game
indubitably
austere loom
and damn some aspects can get REAL tedious
rustic vale
I haven’t played gungeon in forever
austere loom
Master Rounds are a pain
rustic vale
I never got good at it
austere loom
it's like the worst keepsake (pierced Butterfly)
imagine if you needed to charge Pierced butterfly to a certain level to unlock something
rustic vale
No spreadfire c1 this is not a ME zag rail game
strong ridge
what r u mcfly, ckn?
strong ridge
imagine if you needed to charge Pierced butterfly to a certain level to unlock s...
like if it only started doing anything at like 10%?
raw herald
time for me to get wr anyheat after not touching my switch for a week
Me too
rustic vale
Perhaps it’s a pray for flurry strike zag sword type of game
Lolololol c1 world splitter cruel thrust or cursed slash
lean timber
Lolololol c1 world splitter cruel thrust or cursed slash
instant reset
cruel thrust at least does nothing but God sword hammers are completely atrocious
irredeemable
strong ridge
big chop
strong ridge
do mods let me pick the hammers i want
rustic vale
Also ME zag bow turned out to be an unintentional reset
rustic vale
do mods let me pick the hammers i want
Yes
strong ridge
tempting
brisk trail
So I just got something called Guan Yu aspect
rustic vale
guan-yu is based
brisk trail
should I use it?
rustic vale
Not at level 1
strong ridge
it is really hard on lvl 1 since the hp cut is massive
rustic vale
Unless you like having -70% max hp
brisk trail
ok
strong ridge
when its leveled its only -50%
brisk trail
then when should I use it
strong ridge
after you level it or go hard
rustic vale
then when should I use it
At higher levels of the aspect
rustic vale
At the part of the game where you get it unless you are a godly gamer you aren’t living with it
and once you do have it leveled up you have to understand how to use it
It’s all about the special you don’t use it for lifesteal spin
mint coral
@latent moon you do use fiery on fists lmao
Well maybe not talos but others use special to one shot tart enemies
mint coral
Fists backstab aint doing much either lmao
latent moon
Wack
I should be using special in tart more often then
I only use it's when I have charged upper
warm nimbus
do mods let me pick the hammers i want
only the first one
high island
Fists backstab aint doing much either lmao
Demeter Dash-Special can do quite a bit of backstab damage.
Fiery for speed, Shadow for heat.
But if you don't have DC, Fiery can be fine for heat, too.
lean timber
i mean realistically they both don't seem very helpful to fists but still... 50% backstab is 50% backstab, even if it's a small amount. still 1.5x damage. that's how i see it anyway. seems like fiery would fall off real quick
patent mesa
i mean realistically they both don't seem very helpful to fists but still... 50%...
it does, shadow helps out slightly more post tartarus
latent moon
I mean fists really relies on flat damage so it's gonna need like all the damage it's gonna get
latent moon
dont play fists
Also true
patent mesa
the idea is that fists relying on flat damage means shadow helps it by like 0.1%
warm nimbus
anyways i dont think theres too much of a difference between fiery/shadow for heat
patent mesa
whereas fiery helps a lot in tartarus regardless of your build and so can give you extra time to work with in elysium or just speed you up
warm nimbus
the idea is that fists relying on flat damage means shadow helps it by like 0.1%
yeah exactly
patent mesa
but yes once DC comes into play fiery becomes pretty bad so might as well get that extra 0.1% with shadow
patent mesa
specifically ddash
warm nimbus
idk man
patent mesa
shoutout to the dem 56 that's just RI0 and finds splitting bolt
warm nimbus
bruh
warm nimbus
angels?
patent mesa
don't think so
patent mesa
player starts with arty special then AP2s into ddash, zeus attack, splitting bolt
patent mesa
fists players needing ultimate highroll pact to win:
raw herald
don't think so
It is
raw herald
:rofxic:
patent mesa
all the homies hate :odxic:
lean timber
fists players needing ultimate highroll pact to win:
me needing ultimate midroll to even get to c14:
waxen violet
Hi I have a question
Sorry for the bad english
So I know when you give 1 nectar to a god you unlock his object
But why does it do when you give them more nectar and ambroise
waxen violet
And you know the blood idem I don't have the name
rustic vale
titans blood
waxen violet
I passed the first levels like 15 - 20 time but I got just 1 titans blood so I can't buy lots of things with
Bug?
rustic vale
you only get the titans blood from them on your first clear with that weapon at that heat
waxen violet
So when we want to have more u have to do other things like fishing?
waxen violet
No...
rustic vale
so before winning you can really only get it from first clear fury fight with each weapon and trading
waxen violet
I just beat them with the first sword
I'll try and see if the last sword aspect is good, thanks for your advices
Bye
rustic vale
Nemesis is best non-hidden sword
besides zag
you won’t be able to unlock arthur till you have 5 titans blood in sword aspects
and have guan-yu already
waxen violet
Oh ok
rustic vale
And have the right dialogue with nyx
strong ridge
only the first one
sucks
rustic vale
ooooh this is painful
C2 chaos on beo
Next 3 encounters take -4hp on cast for +1 cast
on trippy beo so that cast would be very very nice
warm nimbus
yeah but its 3 encounters
and its on trippy beo so you cast less anyways
id take that on flood flare lmao
rustic vale
2% damage reduction from bouldy
warm nimbus
thatll help counteract the +10% damage taken on beo
rustic vale
And the +100% from hl
C10 got arte attack, +1 cast, level 4 trippy flare and 2% damage reduction from bouldy
Hold up
Is that c14 hermes
mint coral
Yeah extensions allows you to see both hermes in tart
rustic vale
Extentions being like chaos gates?
warm nimbus
chaos gates or erebus gates in c12, c22/23, or c34/35/36
rustic vale
Is there a limit to how soon you can see your next chaos gate after your last one?
lean timber
Is that c14 hermes
c14 is furies... right?
rustic vale
Uh
Dashing wallop affects dash strike which irrc someone said is whaf happens when you charge your bullrush
Like
The swing before your shield starts blocking
rustic vale
anyways it was a weird question I took sudden in the end
lean timber
yes
rustic vale
You never stick anything with cast
lean timber
of course lol
lean timber
is + damage taken multiplicative or no
no it's + damage. meaning plus. additive lol
warm nimbus
Is that c14 hermes
yep only way to get tart rd
raw herald
Wait is bad news always up when playijg beo
Yeah but you have to use stygian soul
So it’s only remotely beneficial with dio beo
rustic vale
Bad news is kinda common rd ngl
warm nimbus
its a worse version of common rd lmao
rustic vale
Kinda common rd only for cast and no movespeed scaling
lean timber
rush deez
warm nimbus
Kinda common rd only for cast and no movespeed scaling
...its global damage lmao
rustic vale
wait a minute
rustic vale
When x happens to y
snow skiff
what next youre gonna tell me that bp2 is +3 heat
rustic vale
Benefits package is free
warm nimbus
what next youre gonna tell me that bp2 is +3 heat
bruh its +9
warm nimbus
Benefits package is free
when the speeder the savior the greatshield the hestia
lean timber
when the h
rustic vale
wh
warm nimbus
ok im going to try 53 beo wish me luck
lean timber
h
warm nimbus
ok im going to try 53 beo wish me luck
nvm i forgot i dont like high heat
waxen violet
just a question
what's the boon ? i have the game in french but idk what kind of attck it is
warm nimbus
what's the boon ? i have the game in french but idk what kind of attck it is
??
boons are the things you pick up from gods
acoustic bolt
i've been doing a lot of phalanx shot cast builds lately and for whatever reason lightning phalanx is impossible to find and the cast feels kinda bad to use without it
rooms all take forever and i constantly lose my crystals
warm nimbus
i've been doing a lot of phalanx shot cast builds lately and for whatever reason...
yeah LP is strange
im not a big fan
regular phalanx shot is really nice on like eris in my experience
acoustic bolt
why eris
warm nimbus
big damage
your cast will do like 150+ damage in tart
which is really nice
kind of like a second rocket bomb
its an easy take over pretty much all other athena boons on eris imo
acoustic bolt
i was not aware eris was a cast weapon. but my complains about it taking forever and losing crystals were about before finding lightning phalanx anyway
warm nimbus
i was not aware eris was a cast weapon. but my complains about it taking foreve...
its not a cast weapon
its just that its another way to scale
acoustic bolt
enemies frequently move out of the way and don't get me started on asphodel
warm nimbus
yeah lp kinda sucks
signal aspen
lp is goated what are you talking about
warm nimbus
for phalanx shot i just recommend being right next to the enemy when you shoot them
so it doesnt miss
anyway yeah phalanx shot is kind of like a second rocket bomb
it has really nice aoe and damage on eris lol
acoustic bolt
for phalanx shot i just recommend being right next to the enemy when you shoot t...
Kinda end up just getting hit a lot doing that right?
warm nimbus
Kinda end up just getting hit a lot doing that right?
nah
just dont get hit lol
thats really the only advice i can give to not get hit in melee range
esp bc casting stuns unarmored enemies anyway
i think
just like dont attack during an enemies attack animation
mint coral
Kinda end up just getting hit a lot doing that right?
Big reflect hitbox in front of you
warm nimbus
also that yeah
really bizarrely most melee attacks in this game are actually projectile attacks
its kinda wacky
acoustic bolt
really bizarrely most melee attacks in this game are actually projectile attacks
so are most melee attacks reflectable?
warm nimbus
so are most melee attacks reflectable?
yes
acoustic bolt
oh wow that makes divine dash a lot better than i thought
warm nimbus
yeah lol
signal aspen
idk man as
warm nimbus
really bizarrely most melee attacks in this game are actually projectile attacks
a good example of this is the hades spear jab
its actually a reflectable projectile attack
signal aspen
hades spin is also deflectable so if you have athena attack there is no need to dodge it 🙂
warm nimbus
hades spin is also deflectable so if you have athena attack there is no need to ...
i wish
latent moon
so are most melee attacks reflectable?
i remember seeing on reddit someone had eternal chamber luci with athena atk and they just fully countered the bull miniboss lmao, dont remember if it was em3 or not
lean timber
hades spin is also deflectable so if you have athena attack there is no need to ...
brilliant riposte has entered the chat
warm nimbus
brilliant riposte actually useful in ff
lean timber
well ofc
warm nimbus
divine protection pretty much a free win lol
lean timber
erm
i would not say that lmao
20s of cooldown
you could get murdered in 20s at least ten times in greece
warm nimbus
nah
warm nimbus
itd be impressive if you were getting hit more than every 20s
as long as you were playing it a little safe
patent mesa
does athena leg counter TD ticks
lean timber
no
warm nimbus
does athena leg counter TD ticks
if it does it wouldnt be very effective
lean timber
i only take damage once every 5.06 seconds 
rustic vale
Trying to play cursed builds with cursed mirrors and cursed pacts is hard
lean timber
that's why we have cursed slash!!
rustic vale
I switched around 2 things on my mirror to make it slightly less cursed and now I’m feeling good
rustic vale
LETS GOOOO
Bouldy just gave me +1% obols I am feeling very Lets Gooooo right now as well
karmic gulch
zagreus aspect or a different one?
Chiron
also Ayo Defeated Charon too
20% Off Pooog
karmic gulch
This is the run i can Smell it
I got greatest Relfex early AND got Relentless Volley
latent moon
i mean an extra dash on chiron for more space doesn't hurt
warm nimbus
its honestly so sad that conc volley isnt available for rama
imagine special only rama actually being good
karmic gulch
Too bad you can’t dash special
I dont dash Special often sooo
rustic vale
I meant like with bow you cannot dash special
karmic gulch
Ohh
rustic vale
Damn I’m just trying to have a normal tidal flare beo run and heroic trippy flare shows up
I’m not gonna take it
final plaza
I’m doing an Achilles run and got an ares In asphodel, should I take black metal or engulfing vortex?
Both epic if it matters
pastel monolith
vortex is good i forget what black metal does
probably vortex
question, whats a good build /strategy for zag shield speedrun?
rustic vale
I’m doing an Achilles run and got an ares In asphodel, should I take black metal...
I’d take vortex but I think both are equally viable
final plaza
Yeah
pastel monolith
vortex all day
rich gulch
What would be the best attack-centric flurry jap spear build to melt EM Heroes? Artemis for the strike?
warm nimbus
arty attack or zeus attack are both good
pastel monolith
im no expert on spear builds by far but arti sounds good
ya i was gona say that or zeus with flurry
warm nimbus
for bosses doing arty attack ares cast and hunting blades is really good though
for achilles, that is
rich gulch
Achilles aspect is indeed what I'm using
pastel monolith
anyone have a good idea for speed on zag shield?
rich gulch
Hunting blades it is then - it's even better with Artemis's legendary. Thanks guys.
warm nimbus
anyone have a good idea for speed on zag shield?
zag shield isnt a very fast aspect, but you do cshot and then you can either do like aphro attack or do fds
rustic vale
Cshot definitely
patent mesa
ME's probably alright with it tbh
pastel monolith
im just trying to improve my time with each aspect.. my current record with zag shield is over 17 minutes so whatever i choose doesnt matter lol im easily gona kill that time
but just in general i dont even know whats ideal
warm nimbus
yeah ME isnt bad but for speed fds is better
pastel monolith
(igt)
patent mesa
ew flat damage soup
warm nimbus
ew flat damage soup
its the way to go
patent mesa
aspect of soup >:(
warm nimbus
its what got it its first sub6 lmao
rich gulch
I never got how people found the non-Beo shields gameplay fun. Except maybe Zeus aspect and zooming across the chambers I suppose.
warm nimbus
same zag shield sucks
latent moon
Aspect of cshot
warm nimbus
nah aspect of fds
rich gulch
These acronyms blow my mind sometimes
But the most important one I do know! That being that you want to be blessed with a big PP from our Lady Artemis.
signal aspen
nah aspect of fds
Aspect of rush delivery is more accurate
Since you literally need rd
pastel monolith
a good hunting blades build is probably the most OP thing in the game.. at least a contender..
on lower heat at least
warm nimbus
Since you literally need rd
this is true
pastel monolith
u just spam cast and it rips everything to shreds in seconds with 0 effort
warm nimbus
a good hunting blades build is probably the most OP thing in the game.. at leas...
nah beo better
rich gulch
Wouldn't a Demeter cast build have it beat?
pastel monolith
possibly
warm nimbus
dem cast isnt particularly great
signal aspen
It does nothing before crystal clarity
pastel monolith
dem cast even when perfect still requires a bit of effort
signal aspen
Even then it's not that good
latent moon
nah beo better
Hb is more mindless tho
pastel monolith
dem cast with stygian soul and extra casts and a high level glacial glare is insane
warm nimbus
no mind there
latent moon
Hb too tho
warm nimbus
nah
rich gulch
dem cast with stygian soul and extra casts and a high level glacial glare is in...
And Bad News
warm nimbus
hb takes longer to phase dad
latent moon
True
warm nimbus
dem cast with stygian soul and extra casts and a high level glacial glare is in...
yeah but its not going to do anywhere near as much damage as most cast builds
it does look funny though ill say that
rich gulch
Did alright to beat dad at 40 heat for me.
Imagine if Hazard Bomb stacked with Triple Bomb..
warm nimbus
And Bad News
rd better
signal aspen
it does look funny though ill say that
just get codex mod and get lvl 100 beam lvl 100 glacial glare bad news purple hyper delivery and 10 casts c1
warm nimbus
just get codex mod and get lvl 100 beam lvl 100 glacial glare bad news purple hy...
oh yeah good idea
pastel monolith
id love to play with mods but i have a hobo pc and so i only play on xbox
rich gulch
They'll never be able to tell-
signal aspen
oh yeah good idea
im gonna play hades again should i do lvl 1 rama or lvl 1 hestia
warm nimbus
im gonna play hades again should i do lvl 1 rama or lvl 1 hestia
rama
pastel monolith
hestia needs to be maxed
latent moon
What do levels on rama do again
signal aspen
yeah p much
pastel monolith
better damage sharing i think?
mint coral
What do levels on rama do again
Shared suffering dmg
rich gulch
I remember the first time I beat dad, it was with Artemis flourish and exploding launcher on spear. I kinda wanna do that build again but for EM4
latent moon
Oh is it 10% at lvl 1
warm nimbus
30%
latent moon
That's not too terrible
dusky solar
warm nimbus
yeah its still s tier at lvl 1
latent moon
im gonna play hades again should i do lvl 1 rama or lvl 1 hestia
Do hestia
pastel monolith
when i first got rama i didnt even care about damage sharing i just made builds around spamming special
dusky solar
im scared
warm nimbus
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/934969306842791946/1013228371959889921/un...
finally found it lmao
latent moon
Do it
warm nimbus
do it
latent moon
You coward
dusky solar
ITS TARTARUS AND HE DOES 40 DAMAGE
signal aspen
🙂
mint coral
You have a dash
latent moon
Yeah and you have 3 dds
dusky solar
NO ITS NOT
warm nimbus
yes it is
dusky solar
AHHHHH
latent moon
Just don't get hit
warm nimbus
exactly
mint coral
Also yeah if you beat him in tart the dds pay themselves
dusky solar
fair...
pastel monolith
besides zeus whats the best special spamming build for hera? poseidan maybe?
dusky solar
anyway i got to eat rn
pastel monolith
dio actually probably
warm nimbus
besides zeus whats the best special spamming build for hera? poseidan maybe?
dont use special on hera
signal aspen
besides zeus whats the best special spamming build for hera? poseidan maybe?
none why are you special spamming hera
pastel monolith
oh sorry
latent moon
fair...
Think about it this way, a DD is worth 200 before sale and you're getting 300 so ez value
warm nimbus
how do you keep confusing everything for hera
latent moon
Everything is Hera if you don't think hard enough
warm nimbus
not hera i was thinking of rama
special only rama is unaruably the only way to make this trash weapon useable. and even then its only somewhat useable since it only has access to one special hammer. its basicially nothing compared to the superiority of chiron. the attack charges up way too slowly to be useable and shared suffering is a gimmick at best, it adds nothing to help pulling this aspect out of mediocrity. if youre lucky enough and get repluse shot you might - and I say MIGHT get the chance to actually get an attack off with this thing, and even then its simply not worth it. the attack speed is way too slow and the damage completly pales in comparison to actually fast hitting aspects like gilgamesh. its sad to say but supergiantgames design philosophy of making most hidden aspects basicially a slow and unusable version of their base weapon has backfired completly. first beowulf - now this. hidden aspects are supposed to be strong and rewarding for the sheer grind I had to go through to unlock them. I dont even know if I want to unlock hidden rail at this point
signal aspen
guys do you do ares attack or ares special for ME hera
warm nimbus
thats a good build guide
latent moon
guys do you do ares attack or ares special for ME hera
Atk probably
Then Athena special and Athena cast I guess lmao
signal aspen
pastel monolith
ME on hera?
latent moon
Absolutely cursed build
warm nimbus
https://www.hades-guides.ovh/index.php/rama-bow-guide/
oh yeah this guides really good
got me my rama 32 win
signal aspen
i have never seen you play rama
signal aspen
oh 🗿
latent moon
Special only rama gaming
signal aspen
im gonna use my td0 pact i really like it
latent moon
Could be worse
final plaza
The Daedalus anvil is so tempting
hardy spear
https://www.hades-guides.ovh/index.php/rama-bow-guide/
what is this monstrosity
rustic vale
The Daedalus anvil is so tempting
I’m gonna have to start picking them up since they’re the last codex entry I don’t have
latent moon
Just get the good hammers
final plaza
Yeah, if I get the anvil it’s a 50/50 I lose flurry
latent moon
Just don't lose flurry then I don't see the issue
rustic vale
Just don’t lose any hammers tbh
If you don’t end your run with 4 incompatable hammers you have a skissue
lean timber
https://www.hades-guides.ovh/index.php/rama-bow-guide/
hatred
hardy spear
can someone send an actual rama guide
signal aspen
can someone send an actual rama guide
signal aspen
can someone send an actual rama guide
A beefy % attack, Aphro is very good (ideally not common), or you can go for Artemis because crits, any high rarity % attack can do except Poseidon (avoid that one), for the Special you want flat damage, it's not hard to come by, usually not worth forcing tho, Ares Dio Zeus are the main ones, you can go for Demeter and try to get Killing freeze, it can work pretty well, for the Dash there arent many options because most of them are either anti-synergy or just dont do anything, Artemis however is probably the best in slot dash, because Rama relies on dash strikes and getting dash strike damage is just good, Athena is a good one too because deflecting is nice, another important thing for Rama is hammers, ideally you want Triple Shot or Twin Shot for your first hammer, if not offered you can go for Perfect or Point Blank, and for the second hammer you usually want Perfect or Point Blank (assuming Triple or Twin first) but the order can be the other way here, if you get Perfect Shot as first hammer then it's fine too, hammers to avoid are Sniper shot (blocks Twins shot) and also doesnt do anything, and Repulse shot, Explosive is a bit of an odd one, it's nice in some scenarios but hard to play, Chain shot is okay, wont do much in bosses. Rama is difficult and needs practice but it's really good when it comes to heat especially, it's a good idea to watch vods of people who are good at it and try to implement their movement and decision making in your runs
actual rama guide tho
hardy spear
i dont trust you
mint coral
That one isnt from them so is legit
rustic vale
That is legit
pearl relic
need some help? i've put in more than five titan bloods into the sword, but Nyx won't tell me what i need to hear to unlock the fourth aspect. what am i doing wrong?
rustic vale
A beefy % attack, Aphro is very good (ideally not common), or you can go for Art...
Tis be legit
rustic vale
need some help? i've put in more than five titan bloods into the sword, but Nyx ...
Do you have guan-yu unlocked? If yes: bad rng, if no: there is your problem
lean timber
A beefy % attack, Aphro is very good (ideally not common), or you can go for Art...
this 99.9%
pearl relic
thanks and i do have the spear unlocked
signal aspen
its dialogue rng
lean timber
the absolute best rama hammers are twin perfect. you really really want those. if not, there are plenty of substitutes that work fine
pearl relic
k i'll keep doing death runs until i get lucky then
lean timber
my tierlist for rama special personally is zeus for jolted, ares for nice doom/impending/dire, dem for chill and killing freeze
depends on my hammers really
final plaza
I really just choked on hades
rustic vale
the absolute best rama hammers are twin perfect. you really really want those. i...
Twin explosive
🧠🧠🧠🧠🧠🧠🧠🧠
lean timber
twin explosive if it was viable:
hardy spear
i plan on trying out some rama after i get decent at beo
lean timber
if you get even half decent at rama you're gonna be cracked at beo
smoothest brain aspect don't @ me
hardy spear
did a run on pretty low heat with beo earlier and just forgot mirage shot existed
styx was also rather painful
rustic vale
I’m gonna try shotgun zag bow
high island
my tierlist for rama special personally is zeus for jolted, ares for nice doom/i...
Drunken Flourish >
lean timber
ya know i keep forgetting about dio. that might be something i want to try actually
rustic vale
I’m gonna try shotgun zag bow
Arte attack, athena flourish, aphro dash and triple shot 🧠🧠🧠🧠🧠
high island
Toffel really likes Drunken Flourish start on Rama.
lean timber
Arte attack, athena flourish, aphro dash and triple shot 🧠🧠🧠🧠🧠
zamn that sounds fun
toffel
does they have any runs?
to watch ofc
does they
signal aspen
i havent seen toffel in like 3 years
hardy spear
well does thems have runs tho
high island
She has runs on the leaderboard, yeah.
lean timber
interesting maybe i'll check em out
high island
Still waiting for her to beat my 51 Rama after I beat her 50 Rama. 
lean timber
🙂
dusky solar
Think about it this way, a DD is worth 200 before sale and you're getting 300 so...
yes but ive never done it before and i might just straight up die four times
latent moon
Well just don't get hit lol
What weapon btw
If it's melee then you might be toast for your first try lol
lean timber
that stupid guide lives rent free in my head
high island
A link to the Hades Modding discord is pinned in #self-promotion.
mild mango
THANK YOU! ❤️
dusky solar
If it's melee then you might be toast for your first try lol
tis the aspect of lucifer. and im crap at rails.
pearl relic
the only fourth aspect i need now are the fists, i'm guessing i have to get the one on one fight with Asterius to unlock it right?
dusky solar
yeap
lean timber
yep
dusky solar
whilst hold fist
pearl relic
got it
lean timber
you don't need to be wearing them
as long as you've met him before with the fists, he will give you the phrase
dusky solar
he will be very happy if you bring the hidden aspect to him to spar, too
pearl relic
nice
lean timber
if you don't remember if you did or not you can just take them to be safe
dusky solar
you need to exhaust a bit of his dialogue first
but
if you have 5 other hiddens, you can def do it
pearl relic
i've cleared the game with the fists about 65 times and the other weapons only once
dusky solar
as long as you've met him before with the fists, he will give you the phrase
for anyone not in the house, you need to be holding the weapon.
lean timber
that's not true but okay
dusky solar
i had more than exhausted zeus' dialogue but only saw the phrase when i had the rail
lean timber
random luck
dusky solar
.>
also yeah you overestimate my abilities, even if i can beat FO2 with RR.
speaking of which im still doing fo2 rr
so
i died
like
really fast
i got maybe a quarter through his health
i got the timing down for his swings, even with FO2 RR but im not consistent enough
ive been
maimed by a boatman
signal aspen
what aspect is this
dusky solar
lucy
signal aspen
tart charon luci fight kinda sus
dusky solar
hey they told me to do it okay
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/934969306842791946/1013248709812830289/unknown.png
no, no i havent
pearl relic
got Asterius, but they only talked about what he'd like to be called, i'll try another run
dusky solar
so sad
rich gulch
Some days I feel like I've been intellectually outpaced by Bouldy.
dusky solar
hmm
idk
bouldy is an understanding fellow but thats a pretty low bar intellectually
dusky solar
give yourself some credit
rich gulch
bouldy is an understanding fellow but thats a pretty low bar intellectually
Thank you for insinuating that I'm a genius by conventional metrics. Bouldy's insights are, after all, beyond any of us.
dusky solar
the only person more intellectually challenged than a rock is... okay nope dont want to get political... no that ones too obvious... uhh...
okay
the only person more intellectually challenged is...
nope all of those opinions are far too political
uhm
lets just say
most people to some extent can do better than a rock intellectually
signal aspen
nah i know a guy
warm nimbus
same
high island
Bouldy is not a mere rock.
dusky solar
i also know the fringe case of somebody whos stupider than a rock, but hes also racist so id rather not talk about him
dusky solar
Bouldy is not a mere rock.
he is no mere rock, no, but what sets him apart is his raw compassion, not his problem solving capabilities.
are
did i make things worse
brightspear im soryr
i
god
dammit
rich gulch
This is peak 2AM discourse.
high island
Bouldy solves problems just fine.
dusky solar
IM JUST TRYING TO MAKE YOU FEEL BETTER
rich gulch
erm, actually you might want to visit Tartarus - I think the decor and the denizens would suit you rather nicely,
snow skiff
"..." 💗
dusky solar
idk why im tryna because my stupid brain cant comprehend what people want but im just tryna help you out
high island
There's no problem that a boulder like Bouldy can't solve.
rich gulch
And no, I've been as I always was. I think a few people on here can attest to my presence here being a fairly old thing.
warm nimbus
the only person more intellectually challenged than a rock is... okay nope dont ...
theres this person i met online once, goes by the name of aoeui
lean timber
i haven't seen you before today
warm nimbus
hes def dumber than a rock
snow skiff
youre dumber than a rock
rich gulch
cue "you're" + ratio'd meme, or is that what the young folks say these days?
lean timber
yro'ue
warm nimbus
cue "you're" + ratio'd meme, *or is that what the young folks say these days?*
what?!
rich gulch
No idea. The interwebs is a mystery to me. Rots my brain like nothing else..
I guess being on Twitter is comparable to being assailed by hordes of Numbskulls eternally-
warm nimbus
i mean yeah twitter sucks dont go on it
lean timber
i only have twitter to follow bigfootjinx
hallow tusk
*Armored Numbskulls 
lean timber
that's my only reason
rich gulch
Thankfully I don't. Now if only I didn't need to use IG or discord for contacting friends or posting photography...
Wait, I figured it out!
lean timber
post
rich gulch
Good idea. I also like sending handwritten letters IRL, I wish I could do that more often.
lean timber
you can! send them to random companies and address them as friends
ask them to sponsor your hades-only twitch channel
rich gulch
Hello Darren,
I really liked the music you made for the game, and I'd like to know more about your inspirations. My favourite track is "Through Asphodel"..
Thank you for the advice, friend.
lean timber
perfect
my favorite track is chaos probably
i like unseen ones and payback mix as well
rich gulch
Very dynamic - I feel "God of the Dead" is the most distilled battle theme, but I have a strong soft spot for all the Asphodel themes. "River of Flame" really makes you feel like you're pushing past your limits in spite of the worst hell has to throw at you-
lean timber
asphodel is pretty bangin as the kids say
god of the dead is great it's my wakeup alarm
dusky solar
have you ever noticed that if you sit around in the courtyard for like ten minutes the weapons start jittering in their floaty animations
lean timber
mmm integer overflow my beloved
lean timber
oh my God how long did you wait lmfaoooo
dusky solar
the hell did you DO
lean timber
yeah yeah
must be a very small variable to have that amount of offshoot
assuming they didn't wait 5 years of course
dusky solar
he started turning into skelly when using talos special wth
warm nimbus
its pseudos <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
pseudo has all the funky clips
gilded pivot
pearl relic
no Asterius this time 😦 i wonder how many other dialogues he has. i must've one on one'd him around 20 times. i'm just getting a little worried
did a bit of research and other ppl got the fourth aspect for the fists 150 to 200 hours in and i'm nowhere near that playtime. i'm just going to do a final run with one of these other fourth aspects and that'll be that
patent mesa
did a bit of research and other ppl got the fourth aspect for the fists 150 to 2...
it's not even close to that
lean timber
warm nimbus
on stygian youre trying to get lucky ap2ing into multiple casts from chaos or some from wells
its just not good
against a theoretical enemy with infinite hp then yes stygian would be better but in reality with something like hera youre trying to use your casts to hit breakpoints
and then you get them back instantly
which is way better than 3s
lean timber
i see
signal aspen
how crazy would it be to run stygian hera at 50
Do that and then play bad zag bow
lean timber
yay ^_^
so i'm doing something a little crazy
rn my dash placement needs improvement if i'm gonna do this with rama, so i'm going to FORCE myself to get good at placing dashes
i.e. ruthless reflex
i need to know the tolerance on ruthless because holy crap i dodge <10 frames before getting hit and it does NOT proc
lean timber
🤨
of course i'm using fo2 lol
yeah this is like
almost pointless
hmm actually... it's kinda doin somethin. not a big somethin, but somethin
pearl relic
i got it, you were right @patent mesa, thanks everyone, i very much enjoyed this game, i was just having a little Hypnos ptsd
mint coral
rn my dash placement needs improvement if i'm gonna do this with rama, so i'm go...
1 dash wont help practicing 2 dashes
latent moon
ngl if you want to practice dashes just play more lmao you'll get it eventually
could turn off the 50 heat for a bit and do fo2, bp2, em3 for now
i dont think any of the other pacts are going to help you, maybe hs so you punish yourself if you get trapped but that's about it
patent mesa
RR > GR because it's RI3 practice
latent moon
just do fresh file
lean timber
1 dash wont help practicing 2 dashes
my issue is positioning 90% of the time so i think knowing that i can't correct myself forces me to be a lot more efficient overall which is what i need. i get landlocked, dash too close to enemies, etc
also just dashing at the wrong time in general especially in bp2 rooms
all this experience is really going to help me when i re-watch all those runs i have saved
mint coral
or use the 2nd dash to correct that positioning no? although im not rama expert
probably can ask in the speedrun server?
lean timber
it's not rama it's pretty universal except gilgamesh
although the special does complicate things for sure
mint coral
gilga
lean timber
i think i'm gonna just give up and do 45 for now
mint coral
GL
latent moon
tmw you open up 3 duos
damn reroll didn't give me anything
also just realizing i should've probably taken legacy
accidentally bought hermes instead of ares in midshop let's go
never punished got epic auto reload
lean timber
he do be trolling tho
also literally all i did was take off ri2, immediately made it halfway thru asphodel
as opposed to not making it thru tartarus before
warm nimbus
yeah ri kinda sucks
lean timber
interesting result. didn't even have a great build