#h1-discussion

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warm nimbus
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youll get both but it may take a while for the first one to show up again. skipping the second hammer is fine though, itll probably be offered again very quickly

static swallow
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Can anyone recommend me a build to beat Hades please as I've not beat him once yet and I've been playing this game for a long time

quiet ice
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What weapon do you use?

pastel monolith
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its a safe build.. slow but effective

static swallow
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Thanks

pastel monolith
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thats how i got my first clear

light ember
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What dash should I use for Achilles aspect flurry jab with lightning strike

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Was thinking poseidon or athena

pastel monolith
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cant go wrong with athena or poseidan

quiet ice
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Poseidon is great

pastel monolith
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haha exactly

quiet ice
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Helps you keep your distance

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What cast are you using?

light ember
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None yet

quiet ice
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Cool. I'd use Athena dash and hope I get Athena cast too, but that's just personal preference

pastel monolith
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athena dash is nice especially for less experienced players

light ember
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So hunter dash isn't gonna help much? I don't think I got poseidon this run

pastel monolith
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probably not help much

static swallow
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I'm currently relying on the Athena dash

quiet ice
static swallow
quiet ice
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Then I would recommend making sure you crank up your % chance at duo boons and go for a merciful end build with fists if you like Athena dash

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Use the Ares keepsake to start, get doom on attack. For asphodel use Athena keepsake, get Athena dash and/or special

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Then you can get the duo boon Merciful End, which is extremely powerful. You simply hit the enemy, and then dash through them. The Athena effect will make the doom apply instantly instead of being delayed, so it does a ton of dmg very fast

static swallow
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Cool thanks

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I'm also tending to get hammered by poison

quiet ice
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Like in the satyr tunnels?

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I like to get an extra dash from Hermes and just make sure I'm good at getting healed asap if I get poisoned. You'll get used to dodging it with practice

static swallow
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Yup that's the bit

latent moon
pastel monolith
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i think a merciful end build might be a lot to ask for from a newish player but.. definitely one of the strongest , if not THE strongest builds in the game

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haelian on yt has a video called something like top 6 easiest builds... its a good place to start for a good go-to build with each weapon

mint coral
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if you have the dps but keep getting poisoned just burst down the room before it does way more dmg

light ember
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Does a way bigger door in elysium mean anything like neither elite doors just a pom door that is like 3 times bigger than the one next to it

pastel monolith
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ive never noticed a bigger door

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only thing that makes a difference is the little skull thing for armored enemy room, or the skull and red thingy for miniboss room

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the bigger door ur describing is probably just part of the room design, doesnt mean anything 🙂

light ember
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Yeah it was neither just bigger than usual

gray apex
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Doesnt mean anything

light ember
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I thought for a moment maybe it meant well

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Purposefully getting wrecked by hades with 4 revives and Artemis call is my new favorite way to kill hades

pastel monolith
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whatever works lol

light ember
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Just get a bunch of call boosters and it's like every 3 hits is a full call

pastel monolith
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just nake sure to hit the call after he gets his invulnerability ohase thingy

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so annoying when it does like 0 damage because u get him to his half health invincibility phase thing

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i think its at half health.. i can never remember exsctly when it is

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its different on em 4 too

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its either half health or 1 third health depending on which phase and em4 or not

signal aspen
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second phase always has the invulnerable thing at 50% hp

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em4 too

pastel monolith
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thanks

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hopefuly ill remember that forever now lol

light ember
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I was using the Achilles aspect too idk of the rush increases call damage but the call itself full phased him

signal aspen
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it doesnt

light ember
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So it just does that much on its own accord?? Damn

empty spear
warm nimbus
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only increases attack/cast damage

pastel monolith
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ya athena dash is very handy.. especially for those darn witches in asphodel

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poseidan dash isnt as safe but it can be a serious weapon

light ember
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I think hades from this game and Kratos would get along very well

pastel monolith
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the rest of the dashes are meh.. except maybe zeus if u stack zeus boons.. or some others just to invoke privileged status

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ares can do some decent extra damage too with a close range build

empty spear
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I like ares dash, does good passive damage

pastel monolith
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ya its nice when u dash around spawning enemies

signal aspen
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i dont really use ares dash for the damage

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it builds call really fast

pastel monolith
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good point

empty spear
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That too, passive damage is a bonus either way lol

pastel monolith
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demeter dash is the worst lol its good for p status thats about it

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and to unlock duos

empty spear
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Yeah Demeter has my least favorite perks tbh

signal aspen
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i beat 50 heat using demeter dash

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and by that i mean i accidentally picked it up before the hades fight

pastel monolith
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damn thats impressive

gray apex
pastel monolith
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still 50 heat holy moly

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respect

warm nimbus
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lol i just had a tart that went midshop->sisyphus->fountain->midboss->chaos

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very satisfying

signal aspen
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cheating

gray apex
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Real gamer

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1 sub6 coming right up

warm nimbus
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arty in endshop

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damn

signal aspen
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cheating

gray apex
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Stop discording

warm nimbus
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ok

signal aspen
gray apex
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I’m a real gamer afterall

signal aspen
empty spear
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If you skip ahead to try a high heat run, do you still get the chance to get the bounties from the other levels

signal aspen
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yeah

pastel monolith
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it counts as ur lowest required heat

empty spear
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I've been doing great with the fists and wanna try a harder run

pastel monolith
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so theres no incentive for overdoing extra heat besides practice and getting used to it..

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but thats still rly worth it imo

empty spear
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Just wanted to give it a try

pastel monolith
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u should get used to a lot of the heats as standard

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like a couple on deadline , em2 or 3, middle management, 1 on ben package

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customs maybe

empty spear
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I've gone through a good bit of heat runs now and tried each modifier, it's just inching up one by one is getting a bit samey

pastel monolith
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u gota do each heat at least once for an achievement

empty spear
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I got it

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I'm trying to finish getting all the achievements now

pastel monolith
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the worst ones are routine inspection and probably heightened security

warm nimbus
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i hate this game

empty spear
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Yeah hightened security sucks, misplace one dash and lose a quarter of my health for one heat

warm nimbus
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bad rooms, no rerolls

signal aspen
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for discording

warm nimbus
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:zagcry:

signal aspen
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also arty call bouldy

warm nimbus
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was what she offered bouldy

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god thats so annoying

pastel monolith
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what were u hoping for? mirage shot?

warm nimbus
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yes

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you need it before lernie or the runs just dead

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and i got bad rooms in aspho and had no rerolls left

gray apex
warm nimbus
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so that run with the 1:35 tart leave was not salvageable

pastel monolith
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damn

gray apex
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It’s okay 2:57 entering 22 is already dead for sub6

pastel monolith
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i need to get better at speedrunning.. i can barely leace tartarus with like 2m 30

warm nimbus
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its just

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so sad

signal aspen
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skill issue honestly

pastel monolith
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my igt record is only like 9:30

warm nimbus
gray apex
signal aspen
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zagcry

warm nimbus
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sigh

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i guess ill just have to get another 5 free rooms in a row tart

pastel monolith
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do u use any mods

warm nimbus
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just the speedrunning modpack

signal aspen
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you dont really need free rooms in tart

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a 2:10 tart exit is sub6able

pastel monolith
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i play on xbox so no mods for me :(

warm nimbus
gray apex
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Yea

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Which is why it’s not worth keeping

warm nimbus
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exactly

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unless it has mirage

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then i keep it tbh

pastel monolith
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whats ur igt PB?

signal aspen
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9:24

warm nimbus
pastel monolith
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dang

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well with the speedrun mod thats still kinda cheating lol

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but not rly

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im still impressed

signal aspen
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it is cheating

warm nimbus
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bruh

pastel monolith
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what all does it do?.. guarantee 2 sac and i think disable barge.. gives u a convenient suicide button... what else..?

signal aspen
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guaranteed hammer

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4 core boons first boon

warm nimbus
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shows all 4 cores on first boon, guaranteed first hammer

signal aspen
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you see fountain rooms

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reduces enemy hp by 50%

warm nimbus
warm nimbus
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also makes dad never darkness and guarantees 3 lights of ixion in every well

pastel monolith
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oh ya thats cheating for sure lol

warm nimbus
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that last parts a joke lol

gray apex
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It's a different category

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Different leaderboard

warm nimbus
warm nimbus
gray apex
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So it's not cheating

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If you think it's cheating don't run it

signal aspen
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yeah thats why i dont play modded

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its cheating

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cries in unmodded

pastel monolith
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its fine i dont mean cheating as in like CHEATING i jist mean mostly im jealous that i cant use mods

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but unmodded speedruns are more impressive too

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but at same time its based on a lot of luck

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so in a way the speedrun mod is more fair and less cheaty

gray apex
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If you practice with modded you'll have an easier time in unmodded

warm nimbus
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yes this is true

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who knew leaving tart means you get more experience with the rest of the game

gray apex
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I got unmodded sub6 in less than 2 hours bouldy

signal aspen
warm nimbus
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i could probably easily get an unmodded sub8 but i just dont want to play unmodded lmao

short glen
gray apex
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Yea unmodded isnt fun

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You play it when you're already dead inside

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So you dont care

warm nimbus
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lmao

gray apex
signal aspen
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can confirm

pastel monolith
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ever see vorimes routed run with the insane movespeed?

signal aspen
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yeah

pastel monolith
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craziest thing ive ever seen

signal aspen
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literally cheating

mint coral
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eris route my beloved

pastel monolith
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still requires a ridiculous amount of skill

warm nimbus
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nah its 100% cheating

signal aspen
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so true

warm nimbus
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lmao

pastel monolith
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ya its cheating but... still its an inpressive display

warm nimbus
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were joking bouldy

signal aspen
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its not cheating lmao

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its a seeded run

warm nimbus
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yeah

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that 2:48 is insane

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i would never want to run seeded though

signal aspen
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yeah seeded is very hard

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staying on route is hard

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and also just playing the eris route is hard bouldy

pastel monolith
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the only cheating i do in hades is.. checking what the first room/boon is and give up before i decide which weapon/keepsake to use

signal aspen
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thats not cheating i do it all the time

warm nimbus
warm nimbus
pastel monolith
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occasionally ill quit and come back if eurydice doesnt give me what i want

warm nimbus
warm nimbus
signal aspen
signal aspen
signal aspen
pastel monolith
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and for practice i use acorn to restart boss fights but i never use that trick when im actualy breaking my pb or anything

short glen
warm nimbus
warm nimbus
hasty fiber
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Hey, is sweet surrenders damage modifier additive or multiplicative?

warm nimbus
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additive

short glen
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Divisive. Goes down /j

hasty fiber
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Wondering if 5% added to sweet surrender is more valuable than 10% added to heartbreak strike

warm nimbus
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but it makes things like companions and traps deal more damage

warm nimbus
hasty fiber
short glen
warm nimbus
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but sweet surrender does affect not only your attack

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its global damage

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if your attack is your only source of damage id pom heartbreak strike, if not, id pom sweet surrender

mint coral
warm nimbus
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sure footing

gray apex
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arthur 🗿

warm nimbus
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wait what

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does it actually reduce trap damage lmao

gray apex
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no

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it disables it completely

warm nimbus
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oh wtf

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not broken bc its arthur but sounds nice

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wait\

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you cant get potted with that

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hs literally free

gray apex
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No you can still eat pots left and right

stray echo
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okay

gray apex
warm nimbus
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wtf is the point then

gray apex
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It's just the aura btw

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The special

warm nimbus
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right but as long as you stay inside that

gray apex
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in case you thought it's permanent bouldy

warm nimbus
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nah

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anyways just had another 1:40 tart ruined by aspho

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poseidon tried giving me second wave twice bouldy

gray apex
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Why is it open bouldy

warm nimbus
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should i not take that

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i thought it was good

gray apex
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If you see too many Poseidon boons before arty take Special -> Dash -> Shoals -> Bounty/treasure in that order

warm nimbus
signal aspen
warm nimbus
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cool

gray apex
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So i skip that part

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Also dont take dash before cshot

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The whole reasoning behind Special -> Dash is basically to fill the cores

warm nimbus
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ah i see

gray apex
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So your Arty gives you attack instead of Special or something

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And if your 4 cores are full it ups your odds for Mirage later

warm nimbus
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wait wtf

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dash strikes cant one shot unarmored witches without hc

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what is this

signal aspen
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yeah

gray apex
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Throw the thing

warm nimbus
elder bay
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the bull of minos music slaps

lean timber
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it goes nasty

fiery schooner
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Should I buy hades and how long does it last for - take to complete -

void vigil
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you can check it on howlongtobeat

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And I recommend it

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I think most people will in the hades channel in the supergiant discord

warm nimbus
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nah its like a 3/10, i play it every day

fiery schooner
empty spear
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I hate it, I can't stop playing it

hardy spear
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is a perfect catch just successfully fishing?

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ive read about a lot of people struggling to do it but ive failed it maybe 3 out of over 30 times

gray apex
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Catching a fish within ~340ms is a Perfect Catch

hardy spear
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ah i see

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do you get a different fish for it

gray apex
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Yes

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Well

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If it's Legendary then yes

lean timber
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50% of the time!

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what run do hammers start appearing? i'm doing a fresh file experiment

signal aspen
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I think it's third run

lean timber
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i was afraid of that answer

hardy spear
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whats your experiment

lean timber
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um

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running a fresh file. lmao

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just never done it before. all my other attempts i scrapped because i didn't beat meg

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this one i made it all the way to lernie with some skillful gaming athena dash

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hell mode of course

gray apex
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Well

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Have you beaten normal fresh file

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If not then do that

hardy spear
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i might do that just to see the special dialogue that the devs definitely put in there

warm nimbus
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fresh file hell mode is really difficult

lean timber
warm nimbus
lean timber
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lmfao

hardy spear
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when i was playing yesterday hermes was like damn you lost your winstreak lately, shame

gray apex
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Most players cant even beat normal fresh file

hardy spear
lean timber
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i just really like seeing the bare bones of the game, if you could describe it like that

gray apex
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Going for Hell mode right away is way too ambitious

lean timber
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just seeing zag completely powerless. reliant completely on the player

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oh i don't expect to beat it. i just like attempting

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seeing how far i can get. it's fun

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tell me why i just got a duo boon in c11 on 2nd run

lean timber
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does modded have a "first run mode" that locks you out of certain gods, upgrades, daedalus hammers, etc

signal aspen
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No

warm nimbus
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nah just gotta start a fresh file

signal aspen
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Just do a normal Speedrun and call it fresh file

lean timber
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fresh file any% [using beo]

raw nimbus
lean timber
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it says chamber unlocked

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past tense

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you already did

raw nimbus
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🗿

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it was a one-time thing though

safe tinsel
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Yeah so you unlocked it...

lean timber
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well did you enter the master's private chambers

warm nimbus
raw nimbus
warm nimbus
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well what do you think

raw nimbus
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uh

lean timber
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alright then. you're locked out again once the flashback ends

warm nimbus
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oh also yeah that

raw nimbus
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I have a feeling something's gonna happen with Persephone

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dunno what though

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and when

lean timber
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yes

warm nimbus
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well

lean timber
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keep playing

warm nimbus
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ye

raw nimbus
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Alr ig

static swallow
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Finally broke free!

cursive ingot
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I wanna try a new sword aspect after a bunch of Poseidon runs

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Arthur or nemesis?

warm nimbus
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nemesis is pretty cool, crits are fun

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arthur is a very slow but hard hitting weapon if you like that

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i personally recommend nemesis but a lot of people like arthur

cursive ingot
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How do you build Nemesis? Aphrodite attack and tidal dash ?

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Dionysis special for privileged status

gray apex
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Dont run Privileged Status on Nemesis

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Aphro/Arty attack or good rarity Dem/Athena and look for Athena Special

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Hunter Dash and Divine Dash are good, Splash and Blade are also good but tougher to use

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If you want a less safe build you can do Arty attack Aphro special -> Heartrend

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Classic ME also always an option, very safe build

warm nimbus
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i keep automatically pomming it

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instead of cast

queen karma
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||Arthur|| or Nemesis sword aspect, which is better or is it just preference?

warm nimbus
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nemesis is strictly better but at low heat they can both work

hardy spear
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i like the hidden one waaaaay more

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maybe its because i dont have nemesis fully upgraded

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but hidden hits like swinging an iron column against a 4 year old

warm nimbus
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for nemesis the best way to play it is to do special -> dash strike x2 -> repeat

signal aspen
hardy spear
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uhh

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anyway

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stygius used to be my least favourite weapon until i picked it up because dark thirst and beat redacted for the second time ever

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now coronacht is my behated

signal aspen
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why so much bow hate 😦

hardy spear
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it feels so slow

signal aspen
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are you dash striking

hardy spear
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hm

signal aspen
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dash striking makes the bow charge faster

warm nimbus
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i swear all bow hate is because people dont dash strike with it

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everyone comes in with the complaint that its slow we tell them to dash strike and they leave happy lmao

queen karma
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Reminds me how I beat Redacted with every weapon except rail at least 3 times, and it took me over 10 runs to do it with rail

latent moon
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you dont have to censor anything in this channel btw lol

queen karma
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Oh, I see

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Lol

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Yeah, I was just asking

latent moon
hardy spear
latent moon
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you dash and then charge it

hardy spear
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aaaaaahhhhhh

latent moon
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that's a dash strike for bow

warm nimbus
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it charges 33% faster

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does slightly less damage each shot but its worth it

hardy spear
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i thought it was just a quick jab

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most of the time on the bow i just end up spamming specials because im tired of charging shots

latent moon
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sounds like you'd like aspect of chiron lmao

swift inlet
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Is malphon straight up the worst weapon

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It feels like it

signal aspen
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honestly yes

latent moon
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fists are generally considered the worst yeah

swift inlet
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My runs have only ended thanks to malphon

hardy spear
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i love malphon :(

signal aspen
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but fists are not weak

latent moon
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yeah

signal aspen
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they definitely fall off for high heat tho

latent moon
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fists are good, just more difficult because of the short range

swift inlet
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Styg has nemesis for funny numbers, and then shield/bow/rail all have more than one stronk ass aspect

hardy spear
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yoinking people with talos aspect is pretty fun

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maybe the fists just suit my stupid reckless playstyle of win fast lose faster

latent moon
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i think a lot of people consider talos to be one of the worst aspects in the game along with hades spear lmfao

signal aspen
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my nickname is just a meme about talos being the worst aspect in the game

hardy spear
warm nimbus
latent moon
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considering all the fist aspects all use the literal same build no matter what, demeter is the best out of them lol

hardy spear
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i havent tried many fist aspects because ive probably only gotten like 5 runs on them

warm nimbus
swift inlet
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What even do I build with it

signal aspen
latent moon
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ME, zappy fists

swift inlet
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I'm just throwing zeus on attack and going from there

warm nimbus
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ME fists are best

swift inlet
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merciful end aka better on sword/shield

latent moon
warm nimbus
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ares attack, athena special, get their duo boon merciful end and get divine dash

hardy spear
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what does merciful end do i forgor

latent moon
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doom procs as soon as they get hit by a deflect

hardy spear
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interesting

warm nimbus
swift inlet
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Is it not

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I threw it on chaos aspect and it deleted

signal aspen
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chaos 🗿

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best chaos build is just aphro attack cshot

hardy spear
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i imagine merciful end would be good on high fire rate weapons

latent moon
# hardy spear interesting

slap impending doom on it and you get rid of the 0.5 extra delay (and any delay at all) and you get the benefit of at least 65% more doom damage that you can chain one after another

signal aspen
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yeah ME is pretty good on hestia

warm nimbus
hardy spear
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i stopped using divine dash a while ago because it got boring and then discovered the glory of splash dash as i played basketball with that tiny rat ass against a wall repeatedly

swift inlet
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Which is cshot

latent moon
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charged shot

signal aspen
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charged shot

swift inlet
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poseidon dash is incredibly funny

signal aspen
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makes bullrush shoot projectile that deals 80 damage

swift inlet
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Oh, that

hardy spear
latent moon
swift inlet
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1: why is that better than ME

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And I thought they nerfed that

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So ddash doesn't trigger it

signal aspen
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no they nerfed ME

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oh you mean that

latent moon
hardy spear
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how many hours do you all have in the game im still struggling to remember boon names

latent moon
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ddash does trigger it, you just can't get ME if you have ares atk and ddash

signal aspen
swift inlet
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Damn

latent moon
hardy spear
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i got like 40 hours

swift inlet
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Chaos is considered bad? I just run around coating everyone in doom or hangover

latent moon
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you'll get there

hardy spear
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damb

swift inlet
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Then again I like swords more anyway

signal aspen
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and like bottom 5 aspects in the game

hardy spear
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what does chaos do?

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i used it for a while

signal aspen
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after your bullrush your special throws 5 other shields

latent moon
hardy spear
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zeus shield is pretty funny

latent moon
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yeah spreading doom/hangover in the room isn't necessarily bad, it's just not a good use of time considering how long it takes to do that

swift inlet
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Ah

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It seems super safe though since you can just yeet 5 shields out whenever

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And you're using a regular shield anyway

latent moon
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it is safe but it'll be like a 45 minute run lmao

swift inlet
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I just facetank with arthur or faceroll with nemesis anyway 🧠

latent moon
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it being a shield makes it inherently safe

signal aspen
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the special flies every where and takes too long to come back so you cant block while you wait

hardy spear
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shield's playstyle is kinda boring to me

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cshot makes it way more fun

latent moon
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shield is funky

hardy spear
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i got the same problem with bull rush as the bow's charge mechanic

latent moon
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dash striking charges it faster im pretty sure lol

hardy spear
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no way

lean timber
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yes i believe so

signal aspen
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wait what

latent moon
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i'm pretty sure it was mentioned here yesterday or something

signal aspen
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bullrush?

lean timber
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yeah

signal aspen
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i dont think it does

swift inlet
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Simply run arthur and have a slugfest with hades

warm nimbus
latent moon
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i remember reading that in this server and i thought "huh very cool"

hardy spear
#

i dont know how much the whole dash strike charging thing will help me but hopefully it does because ive only got one out of my 17 wins on the bow

warm nimbus
#

never heard that before

latent moon
#

i swear i saw someone here say it the other day bouldy

lean timber
#

me? wrong? surely not

warm nimbus
#

its good on beo because standing strikes are slow but not on other shield aspects i dont think

signal aspen
#

dash striking definitely does not make bullrush charge faster

lean timber
latent moon
#

no i think the convo was about beo combos and what boons would be good

#

and someone mentioned hunter's dash wasn't useful but someone else said that you dash strike into the charge so hunter's dash isn't bad

#

and i think at that point it was mentioned?

warm nimbus
#

hunter dash is bad on beo

swift inlet
#

It's weird. I'm not too huge a fan of the projectile weapons since it feels a bit cheap to just run away and get free damage in, but at the same time malphon is just awful

hardy spear
#

is it just me or is beo shield sort of attocious

warm nimbus
#

or rather, its just useless

swift inlet
#

Leaving me with only swords 😩

signal aspen
#

it doesnt make the bullrush charge faster

warm nimbus
#

the reason you dash strike to charge bullrush on beo is because it gets to the beginning of the bullrush animation faster

signal aspen
warm nimbus
#

it doesnt charge it faster

hardy spear
#

man

latent moon
#

oh i see

#

so im like 80% wrong i guess lmao

warm nimbus
#

no, just 75%

hardy spear
#

how does beo shield playstyle work

signal aspen
#

dash strike

hardy spear
#

feels kinda clunky

signal aspen
#

bullrush

#

load cast

#

everything dies

hardy spear
#

huh

warm nimbus
#

yep pretty much

latent moon
#

big boom

#

get flood flare and mirage shot

warm nimbus
hardy spear
#

its just that ive never lost two runs back to back so badly before using it

signal aspen
warm nimbus
#

uhh

#

do you?

signal aspen
#

yes

hardy spear
#

really?

signal aspen
#

its faster

warm nimbus
#

wtf how

signal aspen
#

loaded bullrush charges slow

#

so you do normal bullrush

hardy spear
#

like while charging it or mid flight

signal aspen
#

load cast

latent moon
#

does the loaded bull rush do more damage

signal aspen
#

well thats non cshot

signal aspen
lean timber
#

100% more

latent moon
#

so you give up the damage for a faster charge?

warm nimbus
lean timber
#

no

#

the damage still applies when you load

signal aspen
#

well the thing is the damage gets transferred to the next bullrush 🗿

warm nimbus
lean timber
#

whar

latent moon
#

oh right got it

signal aspen
#

i think it does

#

idk

warm nimbus
#

no

lean timber
#

no

warm nimbus
#

only the aoe

signal aspen
#

but the damage is still there

warm nimbus
#

not the damage

signal aspen
#

hmm

warm nimbus
#

check the bug doc

#

or try it yourself lol

hardy spear
#

so do you load the cast while youre charging or after you release the button

lean timber
#

"bro read the code i swear to God" 💀

signal aspen
#

after you release the button

hardy spear
#

right

signal aspen
#

i am washed up

lean timber
#

sounds like you need a

warm nimbus
lean timber
#

you need a

#

a second wave

warm nimbus
#

this charges at the exact same rate im sure of it

latent moon
hardy spear
#

we're going to need a frame by frame analysis of the charge time of this one move on one aspect of one weapon

signal aspen
warm nimbus
#

i think it just looks slower because dx/y is lower than normal

latent moon
#

because we got two people here who do it differently and they're both pretty good with it lmao

warm nimbus
#

it just looks like it does

signal aspen
#

@dull niche send help

#

does loaded beo charge slower

hardy spear
#

heh

lean timber
#

i'm pretty sure it's the same speed, maybe like 10% slower if anything

hardy spear
#

call in the reinforcements

warm nimbus
#

im doing it rn and it doesnt look, sound, or feel any slower

signal aspen
#

how tf would it sound slower

warm nimbus
#

it makes a sound when its fully charged

signal aspen
#

wait there is

warm nimbus
#

yeah

signal aspen
#

i didnt know that

hardy spear
#

maybe you got something mixed up and they were comparing it to the charge time of other aspects?

signal aspen
#

nope

#

im not wrong here

hardy spear
warm nimbus
#

im absolutely positive it charges at the same rate

signal aspen
#

it might be the travel speed of the bullrush or something

dull niche
signal aspen
#

dammit croven

warm nimbus
#

lmao

#

thanks croven

dull niche
#

did i mess up a meme

signal aspen
#

no

warm nimbus
#

no

signal aspen
#

this is real

hardy spear
signal aspen
#

im shaking and crying right now

hardy spear
#

wake up

#

youre deluded

warm nimbus
#

yeah so dont load in the middle of a bullrush

dull niche
#

i always load in the middle of a bullrush 💀

hardy spear
warm nimbus
#

it at best does nothing and at worst is actively harmful

hardy spear
signal aspen
#

if croven does it then it must be faster

#

case closed

warm nimbus
dull niche
#

i mean in things like tart, its just smoother than loading before charging

#

loading while charging just feels natural and fast

warm nimbus
#

i load as i do the dash strike for the bullrush

dull niche
#

oh idk i probably do that too

warm nimbus
hardy spear
#

i just wanted to know how to use this damn aspect man Crying_Cat_screaming

warm nimbus
#

not in the middle of one though

dull niche
#

oh

#

no thats fine too

#

you wont get dragon rush on that charge but you'll get it on the charge right after

hardy spear
warm nimbus
#

yeah but sometimes you wont get the bonus damage

warm nimbus
signal aspen
#

so the damage does get added to the next rush

dull niche
#

uh that might be how it works yea

#

i dont recall

signal aspen
#

do i have to ping cgull now

warm nimbus
#

ive tested it, if you load the cast after the bullrush hits you dont get the damage on that attack or the next one

signal aspen
#

or pseudo

dull niche
#

i dont do during the actual bullrush animation too often, sometimes just to help out in tart

latent moon
#

just do whatever lmfao

warm nimbus
latent moon
#

load cast before, load cast during, just load it at some point

hardy spear
#

can we please move onto the next beo shield tip or something im losing it

dull niche
#

ok

signal aspen
#

does 100% instead of 30% damage

hardy spear
#

im sorry youre going to have to tell me what mirage shot does

signal aspen
#

makes cast shoot to things

hardy spear
#

ive only gotten like 4 duo boons

#

ok

signal aspen
#

why did i use the wrong two

warm nimbus
hardy spear
warm nimbus
#

look at the second one, it loses the damage from dragon rush entirely

signal aspen
#

ok but its definitely charging faster

warm nimbus
#

no its not

signal aspen
hardy spear
#

i dont think he even fully charged the second one

#

ANYWAY

warm nimbus
#

ugh i dont know video editing so i cant do a side by side

#

someone else do that

hardy spear
#

mirage shot is the duo boon between pos and arty right?

warm nimbus
#

yes

signal aspen
#

yeah

#

thats why you go poseidon cast artemis attack

hardy spear
#

i see i see

#

ive never really done a cast build before

#

only ever used cast for the bonus damage against bosses

signal aspen
#

well you cant do that on beo

hardy spear
#

oh yeah i just unlocked lucifer gun seems kinda weird

signal aspen
#

yeah laser gun weird

warm nimbus
#

lucifer is awesome

#

amazing aspect

#

you just need to get triple bomb

hardy spear
#

seems like it might be hard to hit the flaming ball thing with aim assist

#

actually i havent checked to see if i can lower the sens on aim assist

warm nimbus
#

are you on controller?

hardy spear
#

yeah

#

xbox

warm nimbus
#

ah yeah i heard it was harder to aim the special on controller

hardy spear
#

its weird

#

you mean aiming the special to hit enemies?

signal aspen
hardy spear
#

damn theres mouse tech?

warm nimbus
#

yeah

#

use controller but use mouse to aim special sometimes

#

specifically for luci

#

idk why he doesnt just play kbm though bouldy

hardy spear
#

controllee feels really nice pretty much all the time

#

aim assist is basically aimbot and maybe he likes the joystick movement not being just 8 directions?

warm nimbus
#

well yeah there are advantage to controller but luci is all about bomb placement

#

and you have a lot more control with that on kbm

#

but idk im not the luci wr holder lmao

hardy spear
signal aspen
#

i have a luci wr on kbm

warm nimbus
hardy spear
#

what is the world record random seed

signal aspen
#

4:49 modded

warm nimbus
#

5:16 unmodded

signal aspen
#

5:16 modded

#

unmodded

#

frick

warm nimbus
#

lmao

hardy spear
#

i got like 17 minutes and thought i was the gamerest gamer

warm nimbus
#

that 4:49 is insane

#

no audio though bouldy

hardy spear
#

takes me longer than that to get through tartarus modt of the time

signal aspen
#

wr was from that guy we talked to earlier

hardy spear
#

wowee

warm nimbus
#

yeah

hardy spear
#

i met a celebrity

#

yeah my eyes cant even keep up with that

signal aspen
#

hes pretty good at hades the video game

warm nimbus
#

no

#

he sucks

#

im better

signal aspen
#

k

hardy spear
#

alright buddy

lean timber
#

true actually

#

so did you guys know, APPARENTLY, if your lucky tooth keepsake ranks up in the middle of a run, you get the death defy back???2??2? isn't that crazy?2??

rustic vale
#

I wouldn’t know since it’s been like a year since I maxed all my keepsakes

lean timber
#

i'm playing around in a new save rn

#

yeah i just

#

never had that happen

#

and noticed

#

got first clear, 44mins with 330 darkness invested

#

need to go lower

acoustic bolt
#

@rustic vale what are the rules for your shackle runs? start with shackle and never change keepsakes? can't take attacks/specials?

rustic vale
#

Push heat up if it’s below 20, otherwise cap off heat at 20
Start with shackle, never switch off
Try your damnedest not to get attacks, specials or cast cores (chaos is fine)

#

That’s how I’ve been doing them

#

Trying to get every aspect done with shackle under those conditions

acoustic bolt
#

fun thanks do you also sell cores if you are stuck taking htem?

#

them*

sour inlet
#

lucky tooth + stubborn defiance gives me 3 lives righy

warm nimbus
#

yeah

latent moon
warm nimbus
latent moon
#

oh lmfao yeah i guess so

rustic vale
#

it goes against the concept to keep them

hollow path
#

how'd you all clear chambers so fast is it just rng or requires skill?

#

i feel like i can clear a chamber fast enough but i always like get 4 mins max per region

warm nimbus
#

chamber or region?

hollow path
#

oh yeah region my bad lmao

rustic vale
#

it's mostly skill and partially rng

warm nimbus
#

in general the things that help you clear faster are:
-good room and build rng
-enemy grouping (so as to kill a large number at once)
-spawn manipulation

#

learning how to clear rooms efficiently is the biggest possible improvement you can make to your times and the only part of that that can really be "learned" is spawn manip and breakpoints

#

its difficult to describe how to generally get faster

hollow path
#

what do you mean by spawn manipulation?

warm nimbus
#

standing in certain parts of rooms while enemies are spawning can make them spawn close together

#

or more accurately, not far away from you

latent moon
#

is that like standing near the exit and then enemies spawning close to there because of your position

hollow path
#

do i memorize those kinda spots or should i just get the feel for it each time

#

i guess i could experiment

warm nimbus
#

the chamber guide is the go to for learning spawn manip though

hollow path
#

but if you have good memory is it possible

warm nimbus
#

yeah id recommend looking at the above document though

hollow path
#

oh i see

#

what will happen is i will take the common spots and get the feel for it and just memorize the rare specific ones

#

i'm not even trying to speed run i'm just tryna get a sub 10 to brag to my friend lmao

warm nimbus
#

ah ok lol

hollow path
#

my fastest was 14 mins

warm nimbus
#

you dont need to learn specific spawn manips to get a sub 10

hollow path
#

also i guess part of me being slow is i get stubborn and stick to the build i want and ignore boons not related to my build

#

next time i play i will do just pick everything i see and try to make it work

rustic vale
#

what

#

why would you do that

latent moon
hollow path
#

depends on the mood

latent moon
#

i'd suggest picking one and sticking with it until you get that sub 10

hollow path
#

for example i tried to go poseidon sword and try to max special and more casts for the dislodges

#

you can say i want the meme builds

latent moon
#

idk if you'll get a sub 10 with meme builds unless you master it lmao

deft canyon
#

Damn that game is amazing

#

I see why it was nominated for GOTY

hollow path
#

bro it has over 19k unique dialogues iirc and it's a roguelike too, you really would take forever before you get tired of this game

deft canyon
#

The story is so we written

#

The Dialogues are so amazing and well written

#

Especially the interactions with Hades and Zagreus lol

hollow path
#

telling yourself you'll play a game or two and end up playing for 8 hours straight

deft canyon
#

Basically a Grumpy dad and his rebelling teenage son

#

Also Hades comments and Dialogue makes me often chuckle lol

#

Whne i saw his look i was liek "He looks edgy af"

#

But he is pretty wholesome and goofy lol

warm nimbus
#

thats insane

deft canyon
#

The game is full with love lol

#

All their games are praised by both players and critics

#

Super Giant games truly is a gem

deft canyon
#

Hades fun interactions

#

Then casually bringing Cosmic horror with chaos

#

I was like "Wtf is that" when i first saw them.

trail citrus
#

so, I was told fated persuasion is op

#

This is the second run in a row I frugaly spend all my rolls, and I still don't get the damn boon, even though I have the upgrade for higer chance of duos

#

Really? -____-

#

I'm gonna screw this game so damn much once I start modding without even feeling sorry

shy fable
#

git gud bouldy

#

for legal reasons this is a joke

deft canyon
#

Git Gud

#

Ah yes i heard that often

rustic vale
rustic vale
rustic vale
#

Just because you have a higher chance to get duos doesn’t mean you’re guaranteed anything

empty spear
#

I've been trying to get the last chaos boon to complete this challenge for a good minute now lol

gray apex
#

Is it the DD

empty spear
#

Yeah it's defiance

#

I've had this cosmic egg with me for a minute, been accepting each gate

#

Rng just not on my side

gray apex
#

Run god's legacy too

#

And check wells for yarns and ixions

#

Keep in mind you need 1 chaos boon beforehand

#

So dont waste rolls on the first chaos you see

empty spear
#

Yeah I accept each chaos boon as it's given to me, only reroll after I have one

#

What's gods legacy?

gray apex
#

mirror

empty spear
#

Ohh I gotcha

void vigil
#

a mirror talent

latent pebble
#

finally got the spear hidden aspect it only took me 20 runs smile_1

mental vale
#

whats the most damage you can take in a single hit?

#

i assume either gilga + charon or pots with hs

signal aspen
#

200 damage

gray apex
#

It's probably a spear throw

#

With boiling blood and maim

signal aspen
#

oh forgot about maim

#

also gotta have achilles keepsake

#

🗿

gray apex
hardy spear
#

entered my first erebus gate
condition: dont get hit
instantly hit a mini flame wheel
shame

mint coral
#

Onion for you

static swallow
#

Hey does upgrading the Athena dash only upgrade the damage?

gray apex
static swallow
#

Thanks

#

Also does the dash attach count as your main attack?

trail citrus
#

yo

static swallow
#

So it hits with whatever you've upgraded your main attack to

trail citrus
#

I'm doing shield bounties now. What is a good build with it that doesn't take me like 30 minutes to beat the game?

gray apex
static swallow
#

Thanks again mike

gray apex
#

In the case of fists when you do a dash upper it also hits with whatever you have on your Special

gray apex
trail citrus
gray apex
#

If you wanna use Zeus shield you really want to use the Special

#

You still use the attack but that's not what you start with

#

Start with Zeus Special instead

#

And try to look for more Zeus, maybe shoot for stuff like Lightning Rod/ Smoldering Air/ Dio Call/ any global damage

#

Beo is a bit tough to get into but the damage is crazy good

#

Beo is a bit tough to get into but the damage is crazy good

#

Basically just dash strike to start your bullrushes so it doesnt feel clunky

rustic vale
#

Zeus special works infinitely better on zeus shield then zeus attack

trail citrus
#

I got zeus special. It was a good ru. Constant dps

rustic vale
#

Finally went back to poseidon sword for my shackle runs and got splash dash chamber 1 I think this run is blessd

turbid dagger
#

does the power rush upgrade to the shield simply increase the damage or i need to do smth for increased damage?

spare tartan
#

What are the skellys prizes for beating higher heats

#

Google keeps telling me the amount of heat i need to have to get them but not what they are

signal aspen
#

statues of skelly

trail citrus
#

btw, how to quickly reset a run?

signal aspen
#

you die

trail citrus
#

lol

#

I just changed my cast to my right trigger, in order to be able to notch it while charhing up beowulf. However, it kidna doesn't seem worth it

#

ANyone with more expertise here could say if it is worth going through getting used to a new input for this aspect?

signal aspen
#

yeah cast on trigger is better

spare tartan
#

It is?

#

I thought it was good on the a button

signal aspen
#

it is

#

for beowulf and hera

latent moon
#

whatever's comfortable for you is gonna be the best

glass tide
#

Don't have any friends that play Hades (I know, peasants...) But really wanted to share with someone. Today I got my last achievement after my 100th run!

trail citrus
#

Objectively speaking, changing the bloodstone to one of the thumb or triggers seems objectively better. Can defend while loading the stones

#

Snce I have the dash on right shoulder, it may not be a good diea to have it on right trigger. Moving those two fingers independently seems hard

spare tartan
signal aspen
#

no

static swallow
#

Hey guys which fist aspect do you guys think is best?

signal aspen
#

demeter

warm nimbus
#

demeter

tall holly
#

demeter

static swallow
#

I just tried a run with demeter and did badly

tall holly
#

its good

warm nimbus
#

its better than the other 3 aspects but yeah fists is the worst weapon in general

tall holly
#

true

static swallow
#

Fists are the only weapon I've beat Hades with

tall holly
#

wut

#

which aspect

#

zag?

static swallow
#

The magnetic ones

tall holly
#

talos?

#

meh

elder bay
latent yacht
#

is dark regeneration worth it over cthonic vitality?

signal aspen
#

no

mental vale
#

theyre both fine unless youre actually speedrunning 💀

latent yacht
#

i'm not insane enough to speedrun this game

signal aspen
#

i am

rustic vale
latent yacht
#

can i post links here or do i need some role? i want to post an imgur link

signal aspen
#

you can post links

latent yacht
#

is this a good setup?

signal aspen
#

you want greater reflex over ruthless reflex

#

and fiery presence is usually better

latent yacht
#

isn't ruthless reflex better?

signal aspen
#

no

latent yacht
#

50% dodge change is kinda insane

signal aspen
#

double iframes and mobility is kinda insane too

#

especially on weapons that use dashstrikes

latent yacht
#

i mostly play chiron bow or achilles spear

signal aspen
#

yeah you want more dashes

latent yacht
#

fiery presence seems useless against bosses

#

other than hydra maybe

signal aspen
#

its good for normal rooms

#

helps you clear a lot faster

#

but if you dont really care about that then take shadow presence for bosses

rustic vale
#

Fiery presence good for killing enemies fasy

latent yacht
#

yeah guess i'll go with that

#

is this good then?

#

or should i change something else

signal aspen
#

its good

rustic falcon
#

eurydice song is so nice legit stayed there for 10 mins just listening to it

#

ambrosia delight, pom poridge or refreshing nectar which one should i take

#

is pom poridge better thaan ambrosia delight because it upgrades 4 random boons +1 level but ambrosia only makes 2 random go up a rarity

mint coral
#

Most of the time is nectar

#

Either for increased duos/legendaries odds or hermes

rustic falcon
#

oh

#

wait hermes good?

covert bobcat
#

Depends on how your build is going? If you have boons you wanna upgrade, take an upgrade

mint coral
#

+3 dashes is insane

rustic falcon
#

i got a posideon attack boon and demetry chill boon

mint coral
#

Or usual hyper sprint + rush delivery

rustic falcon
warm nimbus
rustic falcon
#

i never gotten that boon

#

so refreshing nectar?

mint coral
#

I def wouldnt upgrade temoest strike

warm nimbus
mint coral
#

You will barely notice the difference

patent mesa
#

you're inherently based

rustic falcon
#

whats the difference between a boon going up a level and a boon going up a rarity

#

does higher rarity change the boon or just make the current boon same level as the higher rarity boon stats

patent mesa
#

poms add to a boon's value in a set manner

#

rarity determines where that boon starts

rustic falcon
#

ohh

#

i see

hardy spear
#

better rarity increases base stat
better level increases multiplier

patent mesa
#

note that boons respond to levels and rarity in different ways

#

some boons love levels, some love rarity, some love both

rustic falcon
#

i think i am going to take refreshing nectar it just seems better option rn

rustic falcon
warm nimbus
#

tidal dash doesnt care much about rarity (35 at common, 49 at epic) but it has really good pom scaling

patent mesa
#

nectar is usually the right choice

warm nimbus
#

aphro attack cares a lot aboit rarity (50 at common, 90-100 at epic) but after the first pom poms dont do all that much

mint coral
#

Hangover is poms addict

patent mesa
#

doom is 50 as common, 100 as epic, and loves levels

warm nimbus
#

arty attack doesnt care about rarity or poms

#

because scaling from both of them sucks

patent mesa
#

although special is decent to pom

warm nimbus
#

yeah for like the first pom

snow skiff
#

help how do you play 0 heat

#

i'm trying out a fresh file and no FO2 is so slow

#

i keep dodging things early and then getting hit

warm nimbus
#

lol i feel that so much

#

nowadays i dont go below 9

lean timber
safe tinsel
#

Bro...

#

Help how do you win 0 heat in God mode

lean timber
#

stand still i think

snow skiff
#

wtf one of the first runs is c1 hermes

lean timber
#

that's a scripted encounter

warm nimbus
#

thats cursed

lean timber
warm nimbus
#

i hate frozen touch

#

worst boon in dems pool by far

safe tinsel
#

What that

warm nimbus
#

chills enemies when you get hit

safe tinsel
#

Random

#

Isn't Ares and zeus revenge damage

warm nimbus
#

yeah

#

i mean this one also does damage

#

its just that its 10 and not 150

safe tinsel
#

Oh no

warm nimbus
#

ig its probably fine for casual play but its just useless for high heat and actively harmful in speedruns lol

lean timber
#

20 at epic rarity!

#

so exciting

safe tinsel
#

Ong fr?