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serene tulip Dec 15, 2019, 2:49 AM

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AceCat

serene tulip Dec 15, 2019, 5:20 AM

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Kristen Stewart with short hair is going to get me to watch so many movies I wasn't otherwise going to watch

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See: Underwater

wide ember Dec 15, 2019, 5:24 AM

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they should have exploited her butch lesbian look sooner instead of trying to shove her into the useless view point girl in a hetero-romance-ish movie roles

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what the movies did with her at first was the equivalent of forcing david brian gilbert into non-nosense manly man roles

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now that she looks amazing, I hope the writing will be good too

serene tulip Dec 15, 2019, 5:29 AM

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I have like, literally no faith that charlies angels will be anything more than a Trying-to-be-woke half-effort jokefest

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Underwater looks OK, but it leans too scary for my usual tastes

wide ember Dec 15, 2019, 5:30 AM

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I want her in a sci-fi hacker thriller

serene tulip Dec 15, 2019, 5:30 AM

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can it be cyberpunk?

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can we go back in time and make her the Major in a live action ghost in the shell that is actually good on its own merits and not just an attempt to make fans happy by redoing the most famous scenes from the show and movies?

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and can they make batou the rock?

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that'd be funny

wide ember Dec 15, 2019, 5:32 AM

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the rock doesn't look half as good as batou did in my heart

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is there someone closer to idris elba for batou's role?

serene tulip Dec 15, 2019, 5:33 AM

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terry crews as batou?

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😄

wide ember Dec 15, 2019, 5:35 AM

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I guess that works, I'm trying to remember who was the male actor who was playing with his tiny puppy and decided to throw the puppy in the pool, and upon realizing that his puppy wasn't good at swimming he immediately jumped into the pool and rescued his puppy, but his cellphone died as result

serene tulip Dec 15, 2019, 5:35 AM

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actually, jason Momoa would probably make an amazing batou

wide ember Dec 15, 2019, 5:35 AM

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because see, batou was willing to risk his life to buy his dog the favourite dog chew and got hacked and almost killed

serene tulip Dec 15, 2019, 5:37 AM

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That episode of SAC where batou is infiltrating the military base to spy on the ex boxer is seriously one of my favorites

wide ember Dec 15, 2019, 5:39 AM

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batou also spoiled the think tanks into loving him enough to sacrifice their lives for him, and when his coworkers laughed that nobody that mattered got hurt, he looked visibly not agreeing with them

serene tulip Dec 15, 2019, 5:39 AM

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Then they made fun of him when he though the major got shot D:

wide ember Dec 15, 2019, 5:40 AM

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to be fair, major got like 3 spare bodies waiting at her secret base

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but the think tanks did die, along with the humans who only obeyed order to capture them

serene tulip Dec 15, 2019, 5:41 AM

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tachiBlush

wide ember Dec 15, 2019, 5:43 AM

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nooo

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tachikoma were all so innocent and good, why did they have to die

serene tulip Dec 15, 2019, 5:45 AM

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Keep on waiting for the fuchikomas to break out into hushed giggles

wide ember Dec 15, 2019, 5:48 AM

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I kind of hoped the secretary/typist/interface gynoids in the drone fliers could also attain sentience, but I guess the whole point is that they don't

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the identical office lady look gynoids that the tachikoma tricked at least once

serene tulip Dec 15, 2019, 5:50 AM

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Well like, they weren't needed for the level of complexity that they were half-aiming for with the tachikomas

wide ember Dec 15, 2019, 5:51 AM

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I feel like if they can be jammed with a simple logic paradox they shouldn't be flying anything like

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if they are coming at you and you can just yell at them "What I am saying is a lie!" and they immediately jam, I believe that's quite a signficant bug

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then again they are not required to understand anything, all they need is to relay and obey

serene tulip Dec 15, 2019, 5:53 AM

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yeah

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also $10 says that one they "tricked" was actually hacked by the major

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.>

wide ember Dec 15, 2019, 5:54 AM

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huh, I need to rewatch that scene

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otherwise if two human commanders give mutually exclusive commands they'd implode

serene tulip Dec 15, 2019, 5:54 AM

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I mean, I'm pretty sure that's not true, as much as anything in the GITS universe can be called true

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anyhow

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is bedtime for me

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nini

wide ember Dec 15, 2019, 5:55 AM

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night

hasty kernel Dec 15, 2019, 12:43 PM

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Honestly I didnt think the GitS movie was bad

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Though it definitely was just an attempt at fanservice, as reboots tend to be

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I also dont think Crews or Elba would be suited for Batou, their faces are too round

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You need someone with a face like Dolph Lundgren

wide ember Dec 15, 2019, 3:23 PM

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Dolph Lundgren does look like a very good fit

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the 2017 live action GitS was a fail because most loved the series for the philosophical and intellectual side, but the live action was more of pure action fanservice (so ironically closer to the original manga, but far away from the animated series)

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and the protagonist name... Motoko Kusanagi is such an esteemed name now, if you have to invent a new english name for her, you can't go less pretentious and pompous and obviously pseudonym than something like Jane Excalibur

hasty kernel Dec 15, 2019, 3:41 PM

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I mean, she ultimately was still Motoko Kusanagi

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Wonder if that was a last minute change

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But yeah, it was just more of a general action flick

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Then again, Id argue the GitS movies were a lot more philosophical than the manga they originated from

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I think they were trying to go for a SAC kinda feel

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But even SAC had strong philosophical themes, even if they were more subtle

wide ember Dec 15, 2019, 3:46 PM

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and more character complexities

hasty kernel Dec 15, 2019, 3:46 PM

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Yeah

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The characters in the movie were largely barely present

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I dont even think Ishikawa was in it

serene tulip Dec 15, 2019, 3:50 PM

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Wasn't she actually banned motoko but the military folks called her Mira or something?

north hamlet Dec 15, 2019, 3:50 PM

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yeah

hasty kernel Dec 15, 2019, 3:50 PM

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Mira Killian was a false identity given to her

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She actually was Motoko Kusanagi

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Which ironically is still not very faithful to the source material

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Because one of the few things we know about the Major is that "Motoko Kusanagi" isnt actually her real name

serene tulip Dec 15, 2019, 3:51 PM

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Like the bones of a good story are there they just refused to actually make anything good with it.

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Well like, what even is a real name

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Is kinda like right in the theme

hasty kernel Dec 15, 2019, 3:52 PM

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Yeah

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Hence why I usually just call her "The Major"

serene tulip Dec 15, 2019, 3:53 PM

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God gits is so good.

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What is the self

hasty kernel Dec 15, 2019, 3:54 PM

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I also really liked the concept of a "Stand-Alone Complex"

serene tulip Dec 15, 2019, 3:55 PM

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We're seeing a lot of that now under the moniker stochastic terrorism.

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Sort of

hasty kernel Dec 15, 2019, 3:56 PM

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Mmh, thats not quite the same thing I dont think

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A Stand Alone Complex is when a lot of people are imitating the same behaviour/ideology/actions, making it seem like its all one coordinated group rather than many individuals

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But also one where there is no original

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Everything is imitated without a source that is being imitated

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I guess another way of putting it is that its an individual collectivism of sourceless imitation

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I guess one example in real life would be that cool S

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You probably know the one I mean

wide ember Dec 15, 2019, 4:08 PM

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cool S, sailor moon tapes at the summer camp, mirror rituals, caffeination?

hasty kernel Dec 15, 2019, 4:09 PM

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Im not familiar with the last 3 actually

wide ember Dec 15, 2019, 4:10 PM

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so those yellow school buses with overhead TVs for summer camps in north america usually have the sailor moon VHS tapes in them

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brb I'm getting on my bus

hasty kernel Dec 15, 2019, 4:10 PM

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Ah

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Yeah Im not american so I have no experience with that, but that might be the case

serene tulip Dec 15, 2019, 4:11 PM

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Also I believe sol is referring to mirror rituals like "if you say bloody Mary in the mirror n times you will summon her"?

hasty kernel Dec 15, 2019, 4:11 PM

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I chose the cool S because as far as Im aware, its just about everywhere

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Thats urban myths, I think those are slightly different

serene tulip Dec 15, 2019, 4:12 PM

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Stochastic terrorism might be a bit too overt for true stand alone complex but they're in similar veins.

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You don't need a virus if you release suggestive media.

hasty kernel Dec 15, 2019, 4:12 PM

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In that its individual collectivism? Yeah

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You dont need an organized group that is prone to falling apart if you just have individuals doing what you suggest

wide ember Dec 15, 2019, 6:17 PM

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so guerrilla gardening counts?

hasty kernel Dec 15, 2019, 6:57 PM

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Guerrilla ... gardening?

serene tulip Dec 15, 2019, 7:02 PM

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I love art museums.

north hamlet Dec 15, 2019, 7:47 PM

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guerilla gardening is planting and tending gardens in public spaces without permission from the relevant governing authority

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basically what you do when your local council is bad at their job

hasty kernel Dec 15, 2019, 7:47 PM

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Interesting

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I guess that would fall under it

north hamlet Dec 15, 2019, 7:50 PM

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people also do that kind of stuff for street signs and the like too

serene tulip Dec 15, 2019, 7:51 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/586854095965519904/655859100944433172/20191215_144617.jpg this book is giving me anxiety

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I feel compelled to shoplift it

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But shoplifting is wrong and what if I get caught?

upbeat scroll Dec 15, 2019, 7:52 PM

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you were doing it for the vine

wide ember Dec 15, 2019, 7:57 PM

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this was how vine died

serene tulip Dec 15, 2019, 7:57 PM

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If I thought I could I would reverse pickpocket it into someone's tote

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Hypothesis: buy the book. Take my purchased copy and replace it on the shelf in favor of one that I did not in fact purchase

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A copy of the same book *

chilly briar Dec 15, 2019, 8:12 PM

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reminds me of the thread on reddit where people were convinced having a garden in NZ was illegal

buoyant frigate Dec 15, 2019, 9:36 PM

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Oof

hardy pond Dec 15, 2019, 9:49 PM

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Is there something we need to do to get permissions to post screenshots? Because I can't post images for some reason...

chilly briar Dec 15, 2019, 9:50 PM

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You can post links to images

hardy pond Dec 15, 2019, 9:53 PM

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ah okay. like from imgur or something?

buoyant frigate Dec 15, 2019, 9:53 PM

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Yep!

hardy pond Dec 15, 2019, 9:55 PM

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Thanks!

hasty kernel Dec 16, 2019, 12:32 AM

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Huh, this JRPG has a Gladiator Grandma

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More games should have characters like that

wide ember Dec 16, 2019, 12:59 AM

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which game? +_+

hasty kernel Dec 16, 2019, 1:10 AM

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Ys VIII

ionic viper Dec 16, 2019, 1:10 AM

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no that's just letters

hasty kernel Dec 16, 2019, 1:11 AM

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Well they use the roman version of 8

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I have no idea why its called Ys though

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Its a shame she is only a side NPC though

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Though it kinda makes sense since she is clearly very OP

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There is an enemy type in the game that requires weapons made from a specific metal to even be harmed normally

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She casually dispatches 2 of them without such a weapon

chilly briar Dec 16, 2019, 1:26 AM

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ah yes, V triple L

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pretty sure games are the only reason I ever learned roman numerals lol

hasty kernel Dec 16, 2019, 1:27 AM

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I learned them because of Asterix and Obelix

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Incidentally the same reason I ended up learning latin

serene tulip Dec 16, 2019, 1:34 AM

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For some odd reason school seemed keen on me learning Roman unary.

wide ember Dec 16, 2019, 4:06 AM

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Silvia... her upper arms are about as wide as her head...

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I have finally found another jodariel level buff video game character T-T

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She has six packs too

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Muscle grandma should be more common as archetype

upbeat scroll Dec 16, 2019, 4:08 AM

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https://twitter.com/FINALLEVEL/status/1206240972453109760?s=19

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serene tulip Dec 16, 2019, 4:22 AM

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@wide ember you're just going to say that and not link anything?

wide ember Dec 16, 2019, 4:29 AM

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https://cdn.staticneo.com/ew/d/d7/Silvia.jpg

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The kind of grandma who would feed her grandchildren dragon jerky, probably

faint panther Dec 16, 2019, 4:40 AM

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She's got that ultra-high-level RPG armor on, dang.

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Maybe if she had stuck with low-level gear she wouldn't have that giant scar.

buoyant frigate Dec 16, 2019, 4:43 AM

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Puts the “Grand” in Grandma

upbeat scroll Dec 16, 2019, 5:55 AM

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Anyone else exhausted #relatable

serene tulip Dec 16, 2019, 6:06 AM

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that's my secret

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I'm always exhausted

upbeat scroll Dec 16, 2019, 6:59 AM

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Big mood

hasty kernel Dec 16, 2019, 12:59 PM

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Tbh Silvia's design even makes sense since she is a gladiator

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Gladiators didn't exactly wear much

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And yes, muscle grandma should be more common

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In general old, but strong fighters should be equally represented

raven harbor Dec 16, 2019, 1:42 PM

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What game is that from? DQ11?

hasty kernel Dec 16, 2019, 1:49 PM

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Ys VIII

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Lacrimosa of Dana

raven harbor Dec 16, 2019, 2:47 PM

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O neat

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I'm 100% down for "old but battle ready"

analog spear Dec 16, 2019, 2:53 PM

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Dq 11!

hasty kernel Dec 16, 2019, 3:09 PM

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It reminds me of the Watchdogs Legion trailer that I surpsiginly enjoyed

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"She isnt old, she is experienced"

serene tulip Dec 16, 2019, 3:38 PM

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I'm sad because a friend who promised to hang out hasn't responded to me and I'm going home today.

wide ember Dec 16, 2019, 5:54 PM

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Once a friend who told me to hang out was an hour late because she got the day wrong initially but after she ran there she treated me to the best Asian sweets at local Chinatown

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...the sweets place later bankrupt and got replaced by bubble tea lounge

wide ember Dec 16, 2019, 6:18 PM

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I hope your friend will give you a good apology later, Oceloctopus

drifting plover Dec 17, 2019, 11:52 AM

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Hey y'all, how do I change my name colour? :I

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I also have all the games haha

north hamlet Dec 17, 2019, 12:01 PM

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@drifting plover #bot-commands

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pretty sure that role is for which is your favourite game though

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(which is basically the same as owning all of them)

drifting plover Dec 17, 2019, 12:03 PM

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Cool thanks :'D

small loom Dec 17, 2019, 12:25 PM

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God there is so much I wish I could forget right now.

analog spear Dec 17, 2019, 12:45 PM

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Studying for finals right now, I have the opposite problem

north hamlet Dec 17, 2019, 12:50 PM

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good luck

analog spear Dec 17, 2019, 2:15 PM

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Ty

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I think it went well

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8 am finals are rough

faint panther Dec 17, 2019, 4:45 PM

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Could you take a look at my website. This is for school purpose only, thanks in advance. http://conifer.000webhostapp.com/ Sorry for posting again but I need some more visits, because I need to make an Google Analytics presentation.

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serene tulip Dec 17, 2019, 6:41 PM

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@wide ember https://i.redd.it/v11obwhsi7541.jpg

wide ember Dec 17, 2019, 7:05 PM

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they are all ripe to kiss

gleaming prairie Dec 18, 2019, 3:31 AM

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https://i.imgur.com/zDeLMQC.jpg

Imgur

wide ember Dec 18, 2019, 4:23 AM

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only need a lovebird atop that round sheep for perfection

faint panther Dec 18, 2019, 4:33 AM

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Anyone able to help me? I'm trying to get the epic games store, but all I seem to get is the Epic Games Launcher. 😐 I opened the launcher to see if Hades was in there, but it isn't. It only shows Unreal Engine. I'm probably being very dumb or am missing something but I read the FAQ on the epic games site and apparently this is what is supposed to happen. I've owned Hades for a long long time and wanted to play again so... if anyone could help me out, I'd appreciate it.

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I figured it out. For some reason the game Library was hidden in settings.

chilly briar Dec 18, 2019, 4:36 AM

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Should be in the side pane? (the store that is) from memory

faint panther Dec 18, 2019, 4:36 AM

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I figured it out. For some reason the game Library was hidden in settings.

chilly briar Dec 18, 2019, 4:36 AM

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oh, well then

faint panther Dec 18, 2019, 4:39 AM

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So weird how it defaults to hide games library. @knotty frost

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Appreciate the help tho. :3

serene tulip Dec 18, 2019, 5:18 AM

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wooloo

faint panther Dec 18, 2019, 5:40 AM

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Good morning, king.

heavy kettle Dec 18, 2019, 5:40 AM

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greetings brother

faint panther Dec 18, 2019, 2:12 PM

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I just want a game that's basically this:

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nh7Qi5MU_r4

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But with full movement in a 3D arena, and also all of the characters have projectile weapons.

hasty kernel Dec 18, 2019, 2:17 PM

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Unfortunately having it be in a 3D arena makes this kind of gameplay impossible

faint panther Dec 18, 2019, 2:18 PM

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Are you absolutely sure?

hasty kernel Dec 18, 2019, 2:24 PM

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Yep

faint panther Dec 18, 2019, 2:24 PM

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Dammit.

hasty kernel Dec 18, 2019, 2:27 PM

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The main problem comes down to both the fact that with the need to be able to move sideways as well as forward/backward you lose a lot of potential inputs and as a result nuance, while the block-string gameplay becomes impossible as you can just escape out of a blockstring by moving to the side

wide ember Dec 18, 2019, 6:15 PM

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if the projectile weapons include lasso/tether type, it could be closer even if it's still not it

hasty kernel Dec 18, 2019, 7:13 PM

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Hot take: Perfect guard/dodge is the most important invention in video game history

serene tulip Dec 18, 2019, 8:27 PM

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are we talking frame perfect?

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Rivals of Aether has a 7 frame parry

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/655736608133349376/656949798271844401/Opus_Magnum_-_Litharge_Separation_110G_85_62_2019-12-18-12-03-08.gif

hasty kernel Dec 18, 2019, 8:30 PM

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Frame perfect is a bit too specific

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But any kind of perfect timing

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Usually it gives you a bit of leeway

serene tulip Dec 18, 2019, 8:30 PM

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RoA has a 3 frame lead up

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2 frame startup, 7 frame parry, then endlag for another 20 frames

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at 60 fps

velvet fjord Dec 18, 2019, 8:38 PM

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fighting games, maybe, but I'd like to argue that physics is the most important

hasty kernel Dec 18, 2019, 8:43 PM

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I was more thinking Action RPG actually

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Also, idk if physics were really that important

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If you mean the "relatively realistic" physics

raven harbor Dec 18, 2019, 8:48 PM

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I'd argue the concept of a lock-on camera

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Slash locking on

hasty kernel Dec 18, 2019, 9:06 PM

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Interesting take, my main issue is that in most games that had a lock-on camera, I found that using it was more annoying than not using it

raven harbor Dec 18, 2019, 9:43 PM

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Z-targeting really is the pinnacle

hasty kernel Dec 18, 2019, 9:51 PM

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Z-targetting?

raven harbor Dec 18, 2019, 9:52 PM

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Ocarina of Time

hasty kernel Dec 18, 2019, 9:58 PM

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Ah, right

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Also, now that I think about it, I guess the ability to save your progress is the most important innovation

raven harbor Dec 18, 2019, 10:21 PM

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Oh, good one

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Although that's less a mechanic and more a physical tech advancement

hasty kernel Dec 18, 2019, 10:25 PM

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True, I guess on a physical level that is the most important one

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~~While mechanic-wise I will continue to defend my choice of perfect timing as a gameplay element~~

faint panther Dec 19, 2019, 5:50 AM

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Have any of you heard of the college protests happening in India caused by Modi's nationalistic citizenship policies?

upbeat scroll Dec 19, 2019, 5:51 AM

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I've heard of this sort of thing in passing

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There's police brutality?

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It's cool that people are resisting nationalism around the world

faint panther Dec 19, 2019, 6:01 AM

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It's a complicated issue.

gleaming prairie Dec 19, 2019, 7:46 AM

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wide ember Dec 19, 2019, 7:57 AM

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shiny coral

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...wait it's actually shiny!!

vocal brook Dec 19, 2019, 9:09 AM

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I have three blankets on me right now

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I am so comforble

copper lark Dec 19, 2019, 2:01 PM

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when i send my teacher a smiley face in an email and she doesnt send one back 😔

faint panther Dec 19, 2019, 2:31 PM

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wide ember Dec 19, 2019, 8:35 PM

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...lovebirds are real life elves

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they have almost no dimorphism, are one with nature-ish and look down on humans all the time, and have long-ish life span for their size

ionic viper Dec 19, 2019, 10:22 PM

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@faint panther have you seen the ost preview for silksong tho

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well. heard.

faint panther Dec 19, 2019, 10:22 PM

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👀

ionic viper Dec 19, 2019, 10:22 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRs58D34OLY

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hexed hollow Dec 19, 2019, 10:23 PM

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It's probably amazing

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As I'm not gonna listen to anything ost related till I play the game myself

ionic viper Dec 19, 2019, 10:24 PM

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i'm listening to lace right now and it is 👌

faint panther Dec 19, 2019, 10:24 PM

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I know what I'm listening on my way back to work~

autumn pasture Dec 19, 2019, 10:29 PM

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it SLAPS

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the lace one is Good

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disappointed but not surprised that per statement it's going to be a very strings-heavy ost

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silksong, i mean, and hollow knight was too, but personally dung defender was one of my favorite tracks from the first game

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i just like.......the brass

faint panther Dec 19, 2019, 10:30 PM

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City of Tears ❤️

autumn pasture Dec 19, 2019, 10:31 PM

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that's also a good one

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honestly not too many clunkers on that soundtrack

faint panther Dec 19, 2019, 10:31 PM

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Are you serious it was mostly digital?

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That's insane, it sounds so good.

autumn pasture Dec 19, 2019, 10:33 PM

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yeah apparently so!

faint panther Dec 19, 2019, 10:33 PM

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I see you over there, @buoyant frigate :KaRappa:

autumn pasture Dec 19, 2019, 10:33 PM

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@buoyant frigate PLEASE play hollow knight

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not kidding it is one of the best games i've ever played

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and this is coming from someone who took three tries to get into it and found it pretty hard

faint panther Dec 19, 2019, 10:34 PM

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Second best game ever made, after Portal, don't @ me on this, you will not change my mind.

autumn pasture Dec 19, 2019, 10:34 PM

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i haven't played portal so i don't have grounds to argue

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god every day i think about silksong and when it is going to come out

buoyant frigate Dec 19, 2019, 10:37 PM

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FJGGFHFDHDH this was a fun @ to return to

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The Chrimmis money is starting to come in so... maybe...

ionic viper Dec 19, 2019, 10:38 PM

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oh no

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it's,,,, it's on sale

autumn pasture Dec 19, 2019, 10:38 PM

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it's also not a very expensive game 👀 think it's like fifteen dollars on steam

buoyant frigate Dec 19, 2019, 10:38 PM

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I should listen to the soundtrack tbh, that’s usually the tipping point on whether I get a game or not

ionic viper Dec 19, 2019, 10:38 PM

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h

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buoyant frigate Dec 19, 2019, 10:38 PM

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Sparrow on what platforms? 👀

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Dang 50% is a steep sale, ooo....

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~~I’m gonna be dumb and buy the switch version for $1 off probably~~

autumn pasture Dec 19, 2019, 10:39 PM

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oh if you listen to the soundtrack you are doomed

ionic viper Dec 19, 2019, 10:39 PM

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i could buy it and both soundtracks right now with the money i was planning on using for steam!hades

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h

autumn pasture Dec 19, 2019, 10:40 PM

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🤔

ionic viper Dec 19, 2019, 10:41 PM

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there's dlc for hollow knight but team cherry, the absolute mad lads, made it all free

buoyant frigate Dec 19, 2019, 10:42 PM

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Ooo nice

autumn pasture Dec 19, 2019, 10:44 PM

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they're Also the absolute mad lads who said 'we're going to make a dlc with a different player character [actually makes sequel]'

ionic viper Dec 19, 2019, 10:50 PM

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team mad lads

hexed hollow Dec 19, 2019, 10:50 PM

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The dlc are the stretch goals from the kickstarter

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Silksong was also meant to be a free dlc but it got so big it became its own thing

wide ember Dec 19, 2019, 11:03 PM

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epic games' 12 days of free games is making my wallet happy

tardy anchor Dec 19, 2019, 11:32 PM

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@autumn pasture (moving) im going to be honest with you. i dont know what metroidvanias are

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The term is a portmanteau of the game series Metroid and Castlevania. ah...

autumn pasture Dec 19, 2019, 11:32 PM

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yea!

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altho hollow knight is, imo, the best metroidvania ever made (change my mind)

tardy anchor Dec 19, 2019, 11:33 PM

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oho....

velvet void Dec 19, 2019, 11:33 PM

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Its pretty good, can agree

autumn pasture Dec 19, 2019, 11:34 PM

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you know i'm big on Genre Mashups And Looseness but basically, a sidescroller/platformer game w an interconnected map and a system of upgrades/movement abilities that make more of that map accessible to the player as the game goes on

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which promotes backtracking and a particular playstyle

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it's got that like, sweet level design

ionic viper Dec 19, 2019, 11:36 PM

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man, where's that video i watched abt hollow knight's level design in particular

autumn pasture Dec 19, 2019, 11:36 PM

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hollow knight has GOD TIER level design tbh

ionic viper Dec 19, 2019, 11:36 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ITtPPE-pXE

YouTube

Game Maker's Toolkit

The World Design of Hollow Knight | Boss Keys

// This video spoils the entirety of Hollow Knight //

Hollow Knight takes place in the sprawling kingdom of Hallownest: an underground ant's nest of forests, mines, basins, and waterways. In this episode of Boss Keys, I look at the shape, structure, and sequence of exploring...

▶ Play video

autumn pasture Dec 19, 2019, 11:36 PM

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it reminded me a lot of watching my brother play dark souls!

velvet void Dec 19, 2019, 11:36 PM

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Ay, GMT makes great vids about game design

autumn pasture Dec 19, 2019, 11:37 PM

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for other reasons too, there's also a similar checkpoint/shortcut system, the boss design, the environmental storytelling......

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yeah i watch that channel a fair bit

hasty kernel Dec 19, 2019, 11:48 PM

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Actually, is it being a sidescrolling platformer a requirement for being a Metroidvania?

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Alright, reading the wiki page its not required, but typical

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I do like the concept, though I feel like it shines more in a 3d space than a 2d one

wide ember Dec 19, 2019, 11:50 PM

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nier automata was sometimes a metroidvania

autumn pasture Dec 19, 2019, 11:51 PM

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i'd definitely like a 3d flying/swimming game metroidvania

wide ember Dec 19, 2019, 11:51 PM

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one castle platform required a jump in 3D as shorcut

hasty kernel Dec 19, 2019, 11:52 PM

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I mean the general concept is present in games like Crosscode

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And I feel Crosscode nailed it

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Ys VIII also did it, but I felt it was a bit weaker on the exploration side

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In general I like when video games let you explore for explorations sake

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Now that I think about it, whats the difference between the metroidvania and the adventure genre?

wide ember Dec 20, 2019, 12:00 AM

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adventure is usually in a broad open space

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metroidvania is in limited space where the space itself is presented almost like a character of its own

hasty kernel Dec 20, 2019, 12:00 AM

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Oh

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Well then I like Adventure more

wide ember Dec 20, 2019, 12:01 AM

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so even if you have adventure in a deep ocean floor or dungeon, if the space does not have a character and also plot important it's not exactly metrovania I think?

hasty kernel Dec 20, 2019, 12:01 AM

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I mean it sounds correct to me

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Then again, I dont know, I never was deep into the metroidvania genre

wide ember Dec 20, 2019, 12:02 AM

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by the name, it sounds like Ys should be metroivania?

hasty kernel Dec 20, 2019, 12:03 AM

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Its wide open space actually

wide ember Dec 20, 2019, 12:03 AM

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it's named after the france equivalent of atlantis after all

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so it sounds like there should be a plot important magic land that is semi-sentient

hasty kernel Dec 20, 2019, 12:03 AM

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Oh so thats why its called Ys

ionic viper Dec 20, 2019, 12:03 AM

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adventure games tend to be more about exploration and puzzle-solving

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whereas a metroidvania blocks areas of the map from being accessed until you have specific upgrades

wide ember Dec 20, 2019, 12:04 AM

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wait but that would make zelda and banjo kazooie sound like metroidvania

hasty kernel Dec 20, 2019, 12:04 AM

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Well, the games Im thinking of do also block those areas of the map off

ionic viper Dec 20, 2019, 12:05 AM

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there's also less of a focus on combat in adventure games

hasty kernel Dec 20, 2019, 12:05 AM

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In the case of Ys, you needed to get the ability to breathe underwater to get to a bunch of areas

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In crosscode each time you get an elemental upgrade, that unlocks areas as well

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Hm

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Maybe Adventure doesnt mean what I thought it meant

wide ember Dec 20, 2019, 12:06 AM

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Ys was a sunken city in real life myth so it better

hasty kernel Dec 20, 2019, 12:06 AM

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Again, as you might tell by my reaction, Ys doesnt actually feature in Ys VIII

wide ember Dec 20, 2019, 12:06 AM

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(the unsunken version is known today as Paris, and legend has that if Paris sinks, then Ys would resurface)

hasty kernel Dec 20, 2019, 12:06 AM

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Apparently Ys the city (or an equivalent thereof) was part of Ys 1

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Which is a game from the eighties

wide ember Dec 20, 2019, 12:07 AM

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so the game title is a leftover...

hasty kernel Dec 20, 2019, 12:07 AM

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Basically

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The first game was called that because it featured in the plot

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Then they made a bunch of sequels

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Where the subtitle is relevant to the plot

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On a sidenote, does anyone have recommendations for exploration-heavy games?

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Preferrably 3d

tardy anchor Dec 20, 2019, 12:12 AM

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🙌 myst series 🙌

wide ember Dec 20, 2019, 12:13 AM

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~~nier automata~~

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Abzu

hasty kernel Dec 20, 2019, 12:13 AM

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I think I played Myst when I was a kid

wide ember Dec 20, 2019, 12:13 AM

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Abzu is gorgeous (no fighting though)

hasty kernel Dec 20, 2019, 12:13 AM

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Nier automata id get if my PC wasnt so shoddy

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I guess I could get it for PS4

wide ember Dec 20, 2019, 12:14 AM

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ha, maybe my deleted save will come to your rescue when you reach that ending

hasty kernel Dec 20, 2019, 12:14 AM

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I think Abzu is that game that is a lot like Subnautica but more pretty

wide ember Dec 20, 2019, 12:14 AM

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Rime is also great

hasty kernel Dec 20, 2019, 12:15 AM

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Oh, Rime looks interesting

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Ill check it out

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Also Crosscode is on sale, you should all get it, its really good

wide ember Dec 20, 2019, 12:17 AM

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what are the sellpoints of Crosscode?

autumn pasture Dec 20, 2019, 12:17 AM

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rime is okay, abzu is very good, hollow knight i'll mention again, aer memories of old was pretty good also, i know ori and the blind forest is a classic but i'm just about to start it

hasty kernel Dec 20, 2019, 12:18 AM

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Its level design, and possibility to explore are phenomenal

wide ember Dec 20, 2019, 12:18 AM

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random generated maps or designed fixed maps?

hasty kernel Dec 20, 2019, 12:18 AM

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Fixed

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Outside of that, its a pixel 3d ARPG with a fun plot, great characters, charming music and good puzzles

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Its probably my favourite game from last year

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Its pretty long though, which can be a plus or a minus depending on how you see it

wide ember Dec 20, 2019, 12:23 AM

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depends if it's real length or artificial stretch

hasty kernel Dec 20, 2019, 12:23 AM

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Real length

wide ember Dec 20, 2019, 12:23 AM

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if all of it are actual content, then that's great, just don't stall the player by make leveling slow down to a crawl or make the player backtrack for hours to get key items

hasty kernel Dec 20, 2019, 12:23 AM

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You dont have to grind if thats what youre worried about

wide ember Dec 20, 2019, 12:24 AM

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ah good

hasty kernel Dec 20, 2019, 12:25 AM

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Length mostly comes from quests, the maps being big and open-ended, and the dungeons you get through being pretty long as well

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Plus puzzles

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Some of them are tricky

wide ember Dec 20, 2019, 12:25 AM

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also can I become a benevolent demon overlord

hasty kernel Dec 20, 2019, 12:27 AM

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Well, no

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Youre playing a set character

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Its Zelda-esque in that sense

digital wing Dec 20, 2019, 1:39 AM

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hows people?

north hamlet Dec 20, 2019, 1:40 AM

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Tired but I can't sleep

digital wing Dec 20, 2019, 1:40 AM

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Ah

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I have can't sleeps because there's a poem to do

north hamlet Dec 20, 2019, 1:41 AM

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Poem?

hexed hollow Dec 20, 2019, 1:41 AM

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Same as invis, tired but can't sleep bittieF

digital wing Dec 20, 2019, 1:42 AM

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I had this idea last night and I'm trying to remember it so I can write it down before I forget again

north hamlet Dec 20, 2019, 1:42 AM

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Classic sleepy brain move

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Coming up with things and forgetting them

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I think I'll quit sleep and do something else

wide ember Dec 20, 2019, 1:44 AM

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too many things to do, maybe we should've evolved into resting the way dolphin brain does

digital wing Dec 20, 2019, 2:06 AM

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Okay poem is done

north hamlet Dec 20, 2019, 8:20 AM

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Nice

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I've been baking for 5 hours

chilly briar Dec 20, 2019, 11:23 AM

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nice! what'd you make?

north hamlet Dec 20, 2019, 11:36 AM

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Made a lime tart

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Then decided to make meringue because the tart uses 4 egg yolks

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Then made cookies because the cookies use 2 egg yolks

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So we had 6 egg whites worth of meringue

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Bringing all that plus semifreddo to a christmas party tomorrow

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Was a lot of work but i had two friends over so i got to boss them around

hexed hollow Dec 20, 2019, 11:39 AM

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mikamiL

north hamlet Dec 20, 2019, 11:40 AM

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And tomorrow we'll all be at the party to steal all the lime tart

hexed hollow Dec 20, 2019, 11:40 AM

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Literally all of it bittieEvil

north hamlet Dec 20, 2019, 11:40 AM

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Yes

buoyant frigate Dec 20, 2019, 1:25 PM

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Hhhhh I want some lime tart

digital wing Dec 20, 2019, 4:01 PM

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Sup?

serene tulip Dec 20, 2019, 4:03 PM

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Hi

digital wing Dec 20, 2019, 4:05 PM

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How goes?

serene tulip Dec 20, 2019, 4:11 PM

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Sleepy

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Trying to convince myself to get out of bed

digital wing Dec 20, 2019, 4:12 PM

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fair

faint panther Dec 20, 2019, 5:11 PM

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When do we start asking questions?

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I'm hype.

hasty kernel Dec 20, 2019, 5:11 PM

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Well in about an hour

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50 minutes, more precisely

white ice Dec 20, 2019, 5:31 PM

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hermes is approaching at a fast speed, please help me

icy pine Dec 20, 2019, 6:26 PM

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The #ask-supergiant is closed now or i have to make anything special to be able to post? Im a bit confused :S

hasty kernel Dec 20, 2019, 6:26 PM

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Greg likes guilty gear, neat

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Its closed

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Wonder what Greg thinks about BlazBlue

icy pine Dec 20, 2019, 6:27 PM

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Okay, thanks

hasty kernel Dec 20, 2019, 6:36 PM

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~~Honestly Id love to play a set against Greg in any of the ArcSys games~~

foggy bane Dec 20, 2019, 7:04 PM

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Greg is my favorite gamespot reviewer

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his Mafia and Max Payne reviews were so on point

mental crystal Dec 20, 2019, 7:21 PM

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I might have to get back into horror if Supergiant does

autumn pasture Dec 20, 2019, 7:22 PM

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i will never voluntarily play a horror game by myself but.........oh god if sgg made one that'd be tough

tardy anchor Dec 20, 2019, 7:23 PM

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i want sgg to scare me im ready

autumn pasture Dec 20, 2019, 7:24 PM

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i don't want sgg to scare me i don't want to be scared 😰

turbid agate Dec 20, 2019, 7:24 PM

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I want anything that sgg wants me to have or pass by

autumn pasture Dec 20, 2019, 7:29 PM

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i mean i would play it but with the utmost trepidation

hasty kernel Dec 20, 2019, 7:34 PM

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I really hope they dont make a horror game tbh

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Because thats just a genre I dont play

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Itd be the first SGG game Id have to skip

faint panther Dec 20, 2019, 7:34 PM

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Then don't play it if they make one 🤷‍♂️

hasty kernel Dec 20, 2019, 7:35 PM

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Yeah but that sucks, I dont want to skip SGG games

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Hence why I hope they dont

faint panther Dec 20, 2019, 7:38 PM

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I don't know what to say to this 😂

hasty kernel Dec 20, 2019, 7:46 PM

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"See you next decade" The only time you can do this joke and you took it

opaque quail Dec 20, 2019, 7:48 PM

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Of COURSE I took it!!

hasty kernel Dec 20, 2019, 7:52 PM

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Now the question is

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Will there be an opportunity to say "hindsight is 20/20" at the end of 2020

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Wait no

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You say it on the first of january 2020

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Now I know what Ill be doing in 12 days

opaque quail Dec 20, 2019, 7:55 PM

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Pun game so strong you're planning weeks in advance.

hasty kernel Dec 20, 2019, 7:56 PM

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My wit is so fast I come up with puns a week ago

faint panther Dec 20, 2019, 8:51 PM

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pedantic Wouldn't "next decade" be 2021? 😏

hasty kernel Dec 20, 2019, 8:52 PM

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Generally people count from the 0th year

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I think it has to do with terms like "the 90s"

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Which are what you commonly think of when it comes to decades

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And which, by neccessity of their title, have to start with the 0th year

faint panther Dec 20, 2019, 8:59 PM

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…but—there was no 0th year. We go from -1 BC to 1 AD, thanks to Bede. But yes, the popular view is why most folks partied like it was 1999 when the new millenium didn't really begin until 2001. Like I said, pedantic. 😄 dives under a rock

hasty kernel Dec 20, 2019, 9:01 PM

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Yeah thats for centuries and millenia

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Decades work differently

upbeat scroll Dec 20, 2019, 9:05 PM

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wait whos bede

faint panther Dec 20, 2019, 9:05 PM

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If you're content with years 1 AD thru 9 AD being a decade, sure. 😄

hasty kernel Dec 20, 2019, 9:05 PM

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Its year 0 to year 9

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Because we dont think of decades based on the first year

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Its not the 202nd decade

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Its the new 20s

faint panther Dec 20, 2019, 9:06 PM

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There was no year 0, though.

hasty kernel Dec 20, 2019, 9:07 PM

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Yes

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But that doesnt matter for decades since were not counting decades from the very first one

faint panther Dec 20, 2019, 9:08 PM

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Bede was the Benedictine monk who among other things, according to Wikipedia, "also helped establish the practice of dating forward from the birth of Christ (Anno Domini – in the year of our Lord), a practice which eventually became commonplace in medieval Europe".

hasty kernel Dec 20, 2019, 9:08 PM

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Centuries and millenia are put in the context of the first one

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Decades arent

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21st century, 2nd millennium

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But noone says 202nd decade

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Instead decades are put in the context of their first number

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Eighties, nineties, so on

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And since it would be weird for the 80s to not include the year 80

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They start with the 0th year

faint panther Dec 20, 2019, 9:15 PM

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It really just depends on context. Nominally, the "0s" are indeed the years 1 AD thru 9 AD, and nominally the next decade is the group of ten years beginning with 2020. But ordinally, which as you say isn't used much except by pedants, the "next decade" would begin in 2021.

hasty kernel Dec 20, 2019, 9:19 PM

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Even ordinally it wouldnt, because decades were never tied to the same system

faint panther Dec 20, 2019, 9:19 PM

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And what system is that?

hasty kernel Dec 20, 2019, 9:21 PM

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Well, counting based on 1st year AD

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Decades as an important historical concept didnt really came to be until the 20th century

faint panther Dec 20, 2019, 9:23 PM

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Ordinally the first decade AD would be years 1 AD thru 10 AD. Nominally, the 0s (BC or AD) aren't decades at all, but novenniums (or novennia). Remember, in 1999 folks were having this debate about millennia. And centuries. Is 2000 the end of the 20th century or the beginning of the 21st? The end of the 2nd millennium or the start of the 3rd?

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That's words for ya!

hasty kernel Dec 20, 2019, 9:25 PM

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Only if you base what a decade is on the first one

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But its a concept conceived so late that it was based on the last one

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And counted backwards

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Hence why its not the first decades

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But the 0s

faint panther Dec 20, 2019, 9:26 PM

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The original naughties. 😉

wide ember Dec 20, 2019, 9:52 PM

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Liminal years go both ways?

buoyant frigate Dec 20, 2019, 10:29 PM

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to those of you who were convincing me to listen to the Hollow Knights OST- it has very Kubo and the Two Strings vibes and I am living for it

noble sapphire Dec 20, 2019, 11:15 PM

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heared you newest Hollow Knight:Silksong OST Samples?

autumn pasture Dec 20, 2019, 11:39 PM

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the hollow knight ost is so good

honest glade Dec 21, 2019, 12:09 AM

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Interesting, I never would've thought to connect HK to Kubo musically.

digital wing Dec 21, 2019, 3:57 AM

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Is self promotion for Supergiant related things specifically or general creative work?

hexed hollow Dec 21, 2019, 4:00 AM

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Both

digital wing Dec 21, 2019, 4:00 AM

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Cool

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might have something to share then

hexed hollow Dec 21, 2019, 4:01 AM

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If it's an sgg related artwork/song cover etc. #fan-works is a good place for it too

digital wing Dec 21, 2019, 4:03 AM

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Not in this case but thanks

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oc content

vocal brook Dec 21, 2019, 5:59 AM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vi5JNeXl0LU
If you ever have 90 minutes to spare, please listen to this speech Griffin gives about his life. It's beautiful and genuine and it's well worth the time

YouTube

Union Productions

An Evening With Griffin McElroy @ Florida State University - Club ...

Griffin McElroy visits Florida State University as part of the Golden Tribe Lecture Series.

For more information on Golden Tribe, visit:
https://www.facebook.com/GoldenTribeLectureSeries

For more information about Club Downunder and our other upcoming events, find us on so...

▶ Play video

vocal brook Dec 21, 2019, 6:16 AM

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(Warning for strong language. It's Griffin McElroy, he's not one to hold back his curses)

faint panther Dec 21, 2019, 7:08 AM

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Welp. My question was barely answered.

honest glade Dec 21, 2019, 7:11 AM

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No offense, but... of course it was. As Greg said, that is a difficult question to answer. Especially on the spot in the middle of a very quick and dirty Q&A.

faint panther Dec 21, 2019, 7:12 AM

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The Rise of Skywalker was... Not good.

honest glade Dec 21, 2019, 7:13 AM

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While I know he's a writer, even some of greatest game dev minds in the business would need a lot of time to try and seriously answer such an oddly specific yet complex question. From your previous posts, I know it's a question you've wanted them to answer for a long while now, but your expectations should be a bit more realistic.

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And I've heard about as much about Rise of Skywalker, lol.

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I'm not a huge Star Wars fan, but it's unfortunate nonetheless.

faint panther Dec 21, 2019, 7:14 AM

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It's not the worst Star Wars movie ever, but when you bump out one of the Prequels for that coveted Bottom 3 spot...

upbeat scroll Dec 21, 2019, 7:15 AM

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OK what's your bottom 1

faint panther Dec 21, 2019, 7:15 AM

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Attack of the Clones.

upbeat scroll Dec 21, 2019, 7:16 AM

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OK because if you said phantom menace we would have had problem

faint panther Dec 21, 2019, 7:17 AM

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I used to think Phantom was the worst, and then I watched Attack again since 2002.

upbeat scroll Dec 21, 2019, 7:18 AM

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Phantom is alright I think

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Its.. fine

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It's kind of its own thing

faint panther Dec 21, 2019, 7:19 AM

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Yeah.

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Was talking to someone a while back and he said there's a decent political thriller buried in The Phantom Menace.

upbeat scroll Dec 21, 2019, 7:20 AM

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i believe it

faint panther Dec 21, 2019, 7:20 AM

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It's got the best song to ever come out of Star Wars, Duel of the Fates.

crisp shoal Dec 21, 2019, 10:19 AM

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I was messing around with tier lists with some friends and made this.

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https://tiermaker.com/create/supergiant-games-character-tier-list--228662

TierMaker

Create a Supergiant Games' Character Tier List

Rank your favourite characters from Supergiant Games' roster of characters!

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Thought this community might have some fun with it??

copper lark Dec 21, 2019, 10:24 AM

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OH YAY i’m glad there’s finally one of those

hasty kernel Dec 21, 2019, 1:41 PM

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Apparently the leaks for Rise of Skywalker were accurate

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Which isnt good given how trash those were

buoyant frigate Dec 21, 2019, 2:56 PM

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I enjoyed Rise of the Skywalker

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Weak start strong finish

marsh sentinel Dec 21, 2019, 3:57 PM

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I can't see Rise of Skywalker in my current country, no spoilers please

tropic garden Dec 21, 2019, 5:38 PM

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just installed a bunch of free epic games i've been sitting on for a while
might go wild and do a mega-stream later 🤔

true furnace Dec 21, 2019, 6:00 PM

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SUPERHOT is free on the epic store today only! highly recommend!!

serene tulip Dec 21, 2019, 6:01 PM

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Oooh

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day[9] is playing hades today

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or played hades yesterday

upbeat scroll Dec 21, 2019, 6:07 PM

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Super hot was my nickname in high school

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Because I had curry for lunch every day

serene tulip Dec 21, 2019, 6:09 PM

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superhot was my nickname in high school

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because I was constantly running a low grade fever

tropic garden Dec 21, 2019, 6:14 PM

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yeah i just picked up superhot! it had been on my steam wishlist for a while but i never felt strongly enough about it to buy it

serene tulip Dec 21, 2019, 6:15 PM

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if I waited until i felt strongly about anything I'd never buy anything

tropic garden Dec 21, 2019, 6:18 PM

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it's a good strategy for saving money lol

serene tulip Dec 21, 2019, 6:23 PM

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Yeah, the only problem is I've replaced feeling strongly about things with impulsivity

autumn pasture Dec 21, 2019, 6:40 PM

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oh yeah same on superhot

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i wanted it but didn't quite feel like i'd be good at it enough to justify spending money

digital wing Dec 21, 2019, 6:45 PM

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how are people?

crisp shoal Dec 21, 2019, 7:00 PM

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Like, as a species?

faint panther Dec 21, 2019, 7:02 PM

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Skywalker was pretty bad.

digital wing Dec 21, 2019, 7:03 PM

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Oh well

#

As a species or more specifically

faint panther Dec 21, 2019, 7:09 PM

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As a species it's really not bad. We made it off our planet.

digital wing Dec 21, 2019, 7:17 PM

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cool

serene tulip Dec 21, 2019, 7:58 PM

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day[9] is so much better than me at learning hades

faint panther Dec 21, 2019, 7:59 PM

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What's their Twitch URL?

serene tulip Dec 21, 2019, 7:59 PM

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here's the vod

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QI20A3YqlY0

YouTube

Day9TV

Day[9]'s Day Off - Hades P1

Lets play Supergiant's new game - Hades!

Watch live on Twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/day9tv/
Check out my Website: https://day9.tv/store/
Day[9] Merch: https://day9.tv/store/

▶ Play video

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shadeeyeroll

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screw you proxy

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https://www.twitch.tv/day9tv

Twitch

Day9tv - Twitch

Hades ALL DAY! // Tis the last show of the year // Next year's streams begin Jan 6th!

▶ Play video

faint panther Dec 21, 2019, 8:47 PM

#

ty

small loom Dec 22, 2019, 3:19 AM

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At a meadery

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Blackberry and blueberry mead residentzag

buoyant frigate Dec 22, 2019, 4:06 AM

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Please remember to pick up superhot

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It's one of the key indies of the decade

upbeat scroll Dec 22, 2019, 4:13 AM

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There's also a free mod on steam called portalhot, for people who own portal 2

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It's exactly what it sounds like

north hamlet Dec 22, 2019, 6:03 AM

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I did not know they were doing free christmas games on epic

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Many thanks for notifying me to everyone who's mentioned it

somber ferry Dec 22, 2019, 6:46 AM

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Oh shoot, almost forgot to check what today’s game is. Thanks for the reminder!!

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I haven’t played Superhot yet and am excited to try it :O

wise wolf Dec 22, 2019, 11:37 PM

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I have like 50 games from giveaways on Epic alone. And like 30 on Steam from Humble giveaways and a bunch of games from GOG. IRL is more generous than a F2P game x).

honest glade Dec 22, 2019, 11:37 PM

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I can't play Superhot. The visual style hurts my eyes and the gameplay looks too frustrating for me... But I appreciate what I've seen of it in LPs.

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And I don't mean hurts my eyes as in "it's bad". I mean hurts my eyes as in "the contrast literally gives me headaches".

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Curse of the Obra Dinn is another game I can't play because it gives me headaches. Even if you add color to it. :C

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CURSE THESE EYES

hasty kernel Dec 23, 2019, 12:16 AM

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Yeah Obra Dinns graphics also made me decide against getting it

wide ember Dec 23, 2019, 5:57 AM

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I suddenly want weird apples

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like the ghost white ones and the dark purple ones (with dots to make them look like starry skies)

fierce plaza Dec 23, 2019, 6:18 AM

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Good day to whom I will turn to me did not charge the game after I bought Hedas
Steam offers me to buy Pyre, but it should already be in my collection if you visit the Hades page

hexed hollow Dec 23, 2019, 6:19 AM

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Vlad, the copy of Pyre goes to your steam invintory

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from there you can add it to your own library or gift it to a friend

fierce plaza Dec 23, 2019, 6:29 AM

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there he offers to buy it

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And I figured it out

hexed hollow Dec 23, 2019, 6:30 AM

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glad to hear ^_^

fierce plaza Dec 23, 2019, 6:33 AM

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I recently actively use stim and still do not know everything I'm sorry

hexed hollow Dec 23, 2019, 6:35 AM

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nah, you're all good no need to apologize. If you have questions about how to use steam ask, I'm sure someone here will be able to help should you need it ^_^

fierce plaza Dec 23, 2019, 6:42 AM

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thanks again

ionic ermine Dec 23, 2019, 7:24 AM

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im going to make a transistor animation now(only up until the cybil fihgt because i still havent beaten it ; ;)

faint panther Dec 23, 2019, 2:27 PM

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Could you take a look at my website. This is for school purpose only, thanks in advance. http://conifer.000webhostapp.com/

Conifers

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serene tulip Dec 23, 2019, 5:47 PM

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@wide ember NSFW: H*nd h*lding ||https://preview.redd.it/3ozoax23fc641.gif?width=222&format=mp4&s=a0569336f52d03dd250f4caeb37d93817611d0ac||

tardy anchor Dec 23, 2019, 7:24 PM

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:0
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aaawwww ☺️

hasty kernel Dec 23, 2019, 7:55 PM

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Theyre more than just claws friends

small loom Dec 23, 2019, 8:27 PM

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@serene tulip May want to delete that. Dashes and asterisks are apparently against server rules.

hasty kernel Dec 23, 2019, 8:36 PM

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~~How are we supposed to survive Hades without Dashes~~

marsh sentinel Dec 23, 2019, 9:47 PM

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oh man I haven't seen day 9 in ages

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used to mod for him

summer hamlet Dec 23, 2019, 10:58 PM

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Aside from that, RWBY has had guest appearances in some games.

From #h1-builds-and-combat but yeah it's appeared in a couple, notably in BlazBlue Cross Tag Battle (which also crossed over with Persona, yay for weeb geek out moments)

hasty kernel Dec 23, 2019, 11:39 PM

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Yeah they fit surprisingly well into BBTAG

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Neopolitan is fun, but man did I wish she wasnt as bad as she is

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~~Also screw Yang, her semblance overrides the current song with "I burn" once its activated~~

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I did notice that the RWBY weapons are ridiculously stupid, even by anime standards

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Like the sword that is also a gun, and a chainsickle

marsh scroll Dec 24, 2019, 12:15 AM

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For those who have read or played the Witcher, should I start with the first game or is 3 a good starting point?

wide ember Dec 24, 2019, 2:49 AM

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Witcher has novels, worse case you can read them first (but start with 3 is fine)

lyric meteor Dec 24, 2019, 3:31 AM

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I absolutely just purchased a card game because Jen Zee did the art

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It's called CrossFire

tardy anchor Dec 24, 2019, 3:33 AM

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blurryeyes

hasty kernel Dec 24, 2019, 3:35 AM

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Man I always get confused when people say "card game" and dont mean a TCG or LCG

wide ember Dec 24, 2019, 4:46 AM

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Would you call baten kaitos card game though

hasty kernel Dec 24, 2019, 11:37 AM

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Id say so

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Its a bit like Slay The Spire

honest glade Dec 24, 2019, 1:32 PM

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Late response, but I personally would suggest starting with Witcher 2.

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Mainly because... in some ways, I actually kinda prefer how it was smaller in scope and more focused than Witcher 3? ~~And less buggy.~~

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I never thought I'd say a game is too big or has too much stuff to do or takes too long to complete in full... But Witcher 3 actually achieved it.

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For my tastes, anyway.

hasty kernel Dec 24, 2019, 2:25 PM

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Yknow, looking back at it, this might be one of the best years in gaming in quite a while

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I didnt even realize Baba is You was from this year because there were just too many good games

buoyant frigate Dec 24, 2019, 3:32 PM

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2019 did have a lot of excellent games!

noble sapphire Dec 24, 2019, 6:53 PM

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Witcher 1 is best for me

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in fabular aspects

north hamlet Dec 24, 2019, 10:17 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/354279795636305920/659019119781478400/9fc.png

desert frost Dec 25, 2019, 2:07 PM

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Merry Christmas everyone!!!

bitter surge Dec 25, 2019, 2:55 PM

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tardy anchor Dec 25, 2019, 2:57 PM

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everyone whos played hades today
https://twitter.com/NicoIate/status/1209594883159269377

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velvet fjord Dec 25, 2019, 3:01 PM

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lmao

tawdry wave Dec 25, 2019, 3:31 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/224222863001911298/659415926957015040/20191225_102242.jpg

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they got me a bakugo hat lol

brittle stag Dec 25, 2019, 3:47 PM

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Merry Xmas!
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fallen wadi Dec 25, 2019, 4:05 PM

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Odd question: anybody play Pokemon Go? I need a friend for a quest

raven harbor Dec 25, 2019, 4:36 PM

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Merry Chrysler

hasty kernel Dec 25, 2019, 4:54 PM

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Hm, out of curiosity, in the games you guys played, was the last boss usuall the hardest, or the second-to-last boss?

serene tulip Dec 25, 2019, 5:26 PM

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padoru

raven harbor Dec 25, 2019, 6:01 PM

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Usually it's a specific boss in the middle that has no reason being as difficult as it is

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But of the two I usually find it to be the last boss

hasty kernel Dec 25, 2019, 6:17 PM

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Interesting

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Back when I was a kid, like 10 or so years ago, I made the observation that at the time, it was always the second-to-last boss that was hardest

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The thought reoccured to me recently, but I wasnt sure if it still applied

wide ember Dec 25, 2019, 7:28 PM

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Happy winter solstice!

quasi mauve Dec 25, 2019, 7:33 PM

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ok boys
so im planning to take my girl for a romantic christmas
any ideas?
so far ive got christmas chopping and an eleant restaurant to take her

noble sapphire Dec 25, 2019, 7:51 PM

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idk if Ice Skating is romantic for you

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but i think it's good idea for date

wide ember Dec 25, 2019, 8:06 PM

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light shows are also great

bitter surge Dec 25, 2019, 8:27 PM

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I bought Red Dead Redemption II today as a Third-day-of-Hanukkah gift to myself.

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on Steam

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I'd buy Hades on Steam, but I'd much rather prefer to buy it on GOG or itch.io

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I'll wait until the game is done.

copper lark Dec 25, 2019, 8:40 PM

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happy holidays everyone!

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if anyone has switch games to recommend 😎 much appreciated, although i already bought 2 final fantasy games today

wide ember Dec 25, 2019, 8:55 PM

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sayonara wild hearts + untitled goose game

autumn pasture Dec 25, 2019, 9:10 PM

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ooh, i just bought sayonara wild hearts

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this year i loved the swapper, hollow knight, abzu, and the gardens between!

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ooh and katana zero

bitter surge Dec 25, 2019, 10:49 PM

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Rabi-Ribi is a great Metroidvania

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What Remains of Edith Finch is also terrific

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Let's not forget Untitled Goose Game

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If you don't have Luigi's Mansion 3, it's quite good

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Doraemon: Story of Seasons is terrific if you don't already have Stardew Valley yet want a Farming Game

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These are just some off the top of my head

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My favorite game on Switch is also my favorite game of all time: Zelda: Breath of the Wild

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In case you want a Jackbox-style game, check out Use Your Words

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It was designed by Brentalfloss, and IMHO, I like Brent Black: Game Designer far more than I like Brentalfloss

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Also, since this is a Supergiant discord, don't forget Bastion and Transistor!

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Oh, and don't forget Super Smash Bros. Ultimate

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There's really tons to enjoy on the Nintendo Switch

brave portal Dec 25, 2019, 10:57 PM

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Are you supposed to get titan blood every time you beat the first boss?

bitter surge Dec 25, 2019, 10:57 PM

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Um, what?

brave portal Dec 25, 2019, 10:57 PM

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Or do I not understand the bounty thing?

bitter surge Dec 25, 2019, 10:58 PM

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Are you talking about Hades?

brave portal Dec 25, 2019, 10:58 PM

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Yeah

bitter surge Dec 25, 2019, 10:58 PM

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This is off-topic

wide ember Dec 25, 2019, 11:00 PM

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rabi-rabi looks very 80s-90s anime video game, can I assume that it's super hard?

bitter surge Dec 25, 2019, 11:01 PM

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It helps if you played some bullet-hell Shmups, but fortunately there are adjustable difficulty levels and I play on "novice" (there's one under that which is "casual")

ionic viper Dec 26, 2019, 1:06 PM

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🤔 has anybody played "my time at portia" bc it looks like the kind of thing i would be interested in

bitter surge Dec 26, 2019, 1:42 PM

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I can't speak for others, but I'm sorry to say I have not played it.

faint panther Dec 26, 2019, 1:47 PM

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@ionic viper i've tried it, what do you want to know?

ionic viper Dec 26, 2019, 1:48 PM

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i was just looking through some of the reviews and i'm on the fence about buying it - just looking for general impressions i guess? i've played a LOT of stardew valley and was wondering if this one matches up

faint panther Dec 26, 2019, 1:48 PM

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it's weaker than stardew imo, the characters are really bland

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the story seemed to be going somewhere? i stopped playing before it did

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very grindy early game

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don't know how it fares later on though

ionic viper Dec 26, 2019, 1:49 PM

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ah

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might give it a miss then

faint panther Dec 26, 2019, 1:49 PM

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i'd recommend you do so

bitter surge Dec 26, 2019, 1:51 PM

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If you like Stardew I recommend Doraemon: Story of Seasons, which is a Harvest Moon game by another name with Doraemon characters

velvet fjord Dec 26, 2019, 4:26 PM

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in contrast, my grandma has played almost 1k hours of stardew (I have no idea how) and she really liked my time at portia

autumn pasture Dec 26, 2019, 4:33 PM

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man, your grandma sounds cool, and also stardew valley is 1000% the kind of video game i would expect a grandma to enjoy

serene tulip Dec 26, 2019, 5:46 PM

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She probably romanced harvey

wind hamlet Dec 26, 2019, 8:55 PM

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played a bit of portia. it's got some jank, but it's pretty fun if you're looking for a harvest moon em up

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if you do play it, first thing you should do is mute the voice acting

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also look up a beginners guide. first month of portia is essentially just tiptoeing around noob traps.

dry cipher Dec 27, 2019, 3:17 AM

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https://tab.gladly.io/?u=Atlas727
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wide ember Dec 27, 2019, 8:22 AM

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drinking ginger cloves water in attempt to cure mild digestive issue

north hamlet Dec 27, 2019, 9:12 AM

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How is it?

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Also is it warm

wide ember Dec 27, 2019, 9:16 AM

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it is hot

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no visible intended effect yet but it tastes pretty good

serene tulip Dec 27, 2019, 4:23 PM

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Ginger is such a good flavorf

autumn pasture Dec 27, 2019, 5:16 PM

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ginger is incredible

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yesterday at my aunt's they had really good, really strong ginger beer and i think i drank four bottles 😅

serene tulip Dec 27, 2019, 5:38 PM

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god I love ginger beer

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at least the sugar free varieties

blissful charm Dec 27, 2019, 5:38 PM

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ginger beer is so good

serene tulip Dec 27, 2019, 5:39 PM

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if I don't sneeze it isn't strong enough

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I'm so tired

wide ember Dec 27, 2019, 7:40 PM

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I need to check if my lemons are fine so I can make ginger lemonade

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(once I’m home)

blissful charm Dec 27, 2019, 7:43 PM

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rip me i accepted a sub job that starts at 7:45 in the morning

wide ember Dec 27, 2019, 7:43 PM

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rip

true furnace Dec 27, 2019, 9:19 PM

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sure

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necrodancer is so fun, it is super tough tho

faint panther Dec 27, 2019, 9:21 PM

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It's like fighting games, I physically can't input the buttons correctly, but I really wish I could.

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And FTL is a candidate for best roguelite.

serene tulip Dec 27, 2019, 9:22 PM

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God, now I want pvp necrodancer.

faint panther Dec 27, 2019, 9:22 PM

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fighting games are conceptually great but i'm both too dumb and too slow to play them

serene tulip Dec 27, 2019, 9:25 PM

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PVP necrodancer would be amazing

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use one hand for directions and another hand for actions like low attack high attack low block high block etc

faint panther Dec 27, 2019, 9:28 PM

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nidhogg with a rythm element?

hasty kernel Dec 27, 2019, 9:33 PM

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Yeah fighting games are hard

serene tulip Dec 27, 2019, 9:35 PM

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I like Rivals of Aether

hasty kernel Dec 27, 2019, 9:36 PM

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Platform fighters do tend to be less heavy on the inputs

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I like em less though than Anime fighters

faint panther Dec 27, 2019, 9:37 PM

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I adore Melee.

serene tulip Dec 27, 2019, 9:37 PM

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all I know is that I can't RaR

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and that's really important for characters who aren't clairen

hasty kernel Dec 27, 2019, 9:38 PM

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Currently Im playing a bunch of BBTAG, but my favourite is still BlazBlue Centralfiction

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Id probably enjoy the Under Night series more if I could play it

scarlet chasm Dec 27, 2019, 9:45 PM

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Tekken gang rise up

wide ember Dec 28, 2019, 4:34 AM

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(home sweet home)

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I wonder if there are people who play/ed Garou or MUGEN here

wide ember Dec 28, 2019, 5:38 AM

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bwahahaha I missed the free super light drifter the first time and hesitated about buying and now it's free on epic games (until 11AM)

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(claim before 11am and it's yours)

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also I do still have lemons in my fridge, most seem to be usable too

serene tulip Dec 28, 2019, 5:53 AM

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I enjoy Hyper Light Drifter

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and everyone should get it

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judgement

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drifter

wide ember Dec 28, 2019, 7:38 AM

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the intro looked great, I’ll see if I’ll have time to play it more after work tomorrow

noble sapphire Dec 28, 2019, 8:39 AM

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HLD is one of my favorite indie games

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story telling with pictures instead of text

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some hard modes

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nice mechanics

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and Drifter just fells good

grizzled anchor Dec 28, 2019, 1:58 PM

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Honestly i didn't like hld at first and refunded the game but then i kept hearing constant praise for it so i thought maybe i did something wrong and i should try harder next time

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bought the game again and had a blast with it

north hamlet Dec 28, 2019, 2:08 PM

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What put you off at first?

grizzled anchor Dec 28, 2019, 2:12 PM

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well... it's the map

north hamlet Dec 28, 2019, 3:00 PM

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Because of how vague it seems?

grizzled anchor Dec 28, 2019, 3:36 PM

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@north hamlet yeah it's super confusing and doesn't tell me anything, only good for teleportation

north hamlet Dec 28, 2019, 3:37 PM

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I figured out how to use it to some degree eventually, but it's never very precise

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The whole game is honestly an exercise in stylistic vagueness

grizzled anchor Dec 28, 2019, 3:39 PM

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i didn't bother using it much anymore 2nd time i tried the game

tropic garden Dec 28, 2019, 4:03 PM

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@plush orbit What sort of thing would you want to make? (From hades spoilers)

plush orbit Dec 28, 2019, 4:04 PM

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well thats the thing, i just have ideas

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me personally i would like to work for a studio in general thats like a dream of mine but at the same time all i feel like i know is design and writing

tropic garden Dec 28, 2019, 4:07 PM

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I've always found it easiest to like...think of the thing I want to do and start from there, then google the best way to do it

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It's not comprehensive but it gets you started quick, and tbh from what I hear, adapting stackexchange code is a big part of CS lol

plush orbit Dec 28, 2019, 4:07 PM

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thats fair

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all i remember from construct is that it was really really simple

tropic garden Dec 28, 2019, 4:08 PM

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So for example mods are a good place to start because modding communities tend to have robust resources, forums etc

plush orbit Dec 28, 2019, 4:08 PM

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thats a good idea

tropic garden Dec 28, 2019, 4:08 PM

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It also gives you something you can put on a portfolio to say "look, I can work with someone else's code"

plush orbit Dec 28, 2019, 4:09 PM

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yeah

tropic garden Dec 28, 2019, 4:09 PM

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There are also high-level design frameworks made to be more user friendly, like ren'py, rpgmaker, etc

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Unity

plush orbit Dec 28, 2019, 4:09 PM

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true true

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i have ideas now, i honestly never considered modding

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i kinda snowed in on the whole "gotta make original game" bit of education

tropic garden Dec 28, 2019, 4:11 PM

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Making something is important to show that you can - but you don't have to make every single piece of it from scratch

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You can focus on what you want to design

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For example if you can't draw or make music, you can use stock images and sounds on top of the code you want to show off

plush orbit Dec 28, 2019, 4:12 PM

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yeah

tropic garden Dec 28, 2019, 4:12 PM

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Mods are good for that because you have resources already there from the game

plush orbit Dec 28, 2019, 4:12 PM

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you right

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i wish i had my pens at home

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you mentioned mods and it feels like i have ascended

tropic garden Dec 28, 2019, 4:16 PM

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Hahaha

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Have fun!!

plush orbit Dec 28, 2019, 4:16 PM

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i will, thank you

somber ferry Dec 28, 2019, 5:53 PM

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modding is honestly how some of the eariest game devs got hired too

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also unity is free and accessible if you’re looking to make your own stuff

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i believe ue4 is also free? that one has a flowchart-based programming language built into it

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some people find that easier to grasp than written code

velvet fjord Dec 28, 2019, 5:57 PM

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I keep telling myself to play around with unity but then I get distracted

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that and needing to learn how to code heh

somber ferry Dec 28, 2019, 6:04 PM

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i believe there are some unity plug-ins which make the engine have more of a flow chart thing like unreal too

wise wolf Dec 28, 2019, 6:22 PM

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There's also Godot engine, just to provide another alternative.

autumn pasture Dec 28, 2019, 6:54 PM

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oh man, now i want to make a mod

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tho i don't have any code background

hasty kernel Dec 28, 2019, 6:57 PM

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UE4 is free

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They take a fee once you use it commercially though, but

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Well your first project is unlikely to be used commercially

autumn pasture Dec 28, 2019, 7:01 PM

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lmao very very true

somber ferry Dec 28, 2019, 7:08 PM

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iirc epic will waive the fee if you publish on their store though

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which makes sense given it’s their engine

hasty kernel Dec 28, 2019, 7:10 PM

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Yeah

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But again, thats even less likely for your first project

wise wolf Dec 28, 2019, 7:31 PM

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I've got the feeling that all of you who don't know how to code should rather find some programming course before jumping into the pecularities of a game engine. Perhaps even make a simple game without using an engine. Just to get some idea of what you're doing. Copy pasting some code from tutorials into a game engine might work for some time, but I'm afraid that it would become overwhelming really fast. Also because you'd have to learn two things at once, programming AND the engine. Better take it step by step.

Also one thing, most programming languages follow similar logic, so if you learn to write programs in one, it means that you only need to learn the syntax and specific features of the other and perhaps also learn to do the stuff that the previous language did for you (memory management, declaring variables). But you won't have to relearn the entire programmer mindset because that will be the same.

upbeat scroll Dec 28, 2019, 7:45 PM

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3d games are a nightmare, but I picked up python by making a bunch of little 2d game experiments with pygame

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It's not necessarily the best way to learn but it worked for me

wise wolf Dec 28, 2019, 7:46 PM

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I knew a great university level Python online course which was fun and had games as projects every week and gave you a good programming background, but the platform it was on put up some paywalls now and while the course is free, the assignments might be only for those who paid for it (there's no mention of it though so perhaps it is completely free again). If anyone is interested I can DM a link. I don't think any of the engines actually use Python, but I found what I learnt there very valuable and as I've said, it was fun.

slow plover Dec 28, 2019, 7:48 PM

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I know programming, but I can't recommend my path if you're interested in game programming... though learning haskell first made me able to pick up new languages within about 30 minutes of working with them

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haskell is also horrifically unsuited to game programming

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(if only because the nerds who use/work on it are pretty much totally uninterested in making it work)

upbeat scroll Dec 28, 2019, 7:49 PM

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I'm sure SOMEONE has implemented opengl in haskell

slow plover Dec 28, 2019, 7:49 PM

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it's just C bindings, afair

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which are kinda stupid hard to work with

upbeat scroll Dec 28, 2019, 7:49 PM

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Yeah I wouldn't recommend t

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Pygame is cool, although it does some things differently than other game engines. It makes more sense to me, but it might build some bad habits

somber ferry Dec 28, 2019, 8:00 PM

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i remember there were some freshmen in college who managed to figure out how to get their pygame game to run at 60fps

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for a game jam

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also i’m absolutely not a programmer (did it in a few classes for my degree and couldn’t wrap my head around it), but i’ve heard code academy is pretty good

upbeat scroll Dec 28, 2019, 8:11 PM

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60fps? hasnt been a problem for me, but maybe they were using an older version

wise wolf Dec 28, 2019, 8:15 PM

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Well it depends on what you're doing. But the statement alone doesn't really say anything.

hasty kernel Dec 28, 2019, 8:24 PM

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Im not sure I entirely agree that the logic behind programming languages is usually similar

serene tulip Dec 28, 2019, 8:27 PM

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I know a lot about logic gates, ergo I should be able to learn to program in any language relatively easily

wise wolf Dec 28, 2019, 8:30 PM

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Isn't it? Most of the time there are variables, arrays, operations, branching, loops, functions. And many languages are OOP nowadays or support it so you'll find objects too.

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Of course some languages are going to be more complex than others and will have their own quirks but the general skill of putting a problem into an algorithm is the most important and it is more or less the same across most languages.

hasty kernel Dec 28, 2019, 8:35 PM

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Honestly I find that those little quirks each language has actually make big differences

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Switching from Delphi to Java was hell, as was switching from Java to C

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A lot of concepts are just handled very differently

wise wolf Dec 28, 2019, 8:38 PM

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Yeah but well, you chose languages that are at the opposite sides of the spectrum of differences.

hasty kernel Dec 28, 2019, 8:38 PM

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I mean I mostly chose em because those are the 3 I learned first, in precisely that order

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Cant say C++ was much better

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Also game dev uses very different languages as well, its mostly C++, C# and Java IIRC

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And HTML5?

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Oh and Lua, which is also pretty different

wise wolf Dec 28, 2019, 8:43 PM

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HTML isn't a programming language so it can hardly be compared but I suppose you mean JS
Well, from my experience, when I knew how to code in Python I could figure out how to do something simple in JavaScript, Java, PHP, Bash...
The languages are wildly different but there's a big difference between knowing something else at least and having 0 programming knowledge, which is what I meant.

wide ember Dec 28, 2019, 8:44 PM

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HTML5 tho

hasty kernel Dec 28, 2019, 8:44 PM

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Oh

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Yeah thats fair I guess

wide ember Dec 28, 2019, 8:44 PM

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And twine uses HTML

hasty kernel Dec 28, 2019, 8:44 PM

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Also JavaScript is silly

wide ember Dec 28, 2019, 8:45 PM

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HTML is never a programming language but it’s used for game-making

hasty kernel Dec 28, 2019, 8:45 PM

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See the famous Watman lecture

wise wolf Dec 28, 2019, 8:46 PM

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You don't use HTML for programming alone tho
But I really just emphasized the difference because it wouldn't fair to compare it with the rest, because HTML is something completely different. (sorry I didn't want it to sound rude)

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HTML + CSS is more like a graphics library in that context

wide ember Dec 28, 2019, 9:07 PM

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(you didn’t sound rude at all)

hasty kernel Dec 28, 2019, 9:08 PM

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Anyway my main issue with game dev is that being a solo dev is nearly impossible nowadays, while working in a group means Id have to find others ~~and potentially compromise on my "vision"~~

wide ember Dec 28, 2019, 9:09 PM

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We also have simplified languages that are engine specific

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hire some talents on fiver maybe

hasty kernel Dec 28, 2019, 9:11 PM

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Thats unlikely to work in the long run

wide ember Dec 28, 2019, 9:11 PM

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Nope, good for a pilot though

hasty kernel Dec 28, 2019, 9:12 PM

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Realistically Id just need to find likeminded folks, but thats easier said than done

wide ember Dec 28, 2019, 9:12 PM

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So when you hire after producing the pilot, the candidates will know your vision and follow that

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If you try to find people without having the pilot it will be harder

hasty kernel Dec 28, 2019, 9:12 PM

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Plus all of that is something for future me to worry about

wise wolf Dec 28, 2019, 9:19 PM

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At least we are likeminded in the sense that we both want to work with likeminded people lol

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I suppose that the best you can do solo is produce a gameplay demo with programmer art and worry about the rest later

hasty kernel Dec 28, 2019, 9:21 PM

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For now I decided to make the one type of game that is doable solo

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An Ace Attorney esque game

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Course my art needs to be better, but

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Thats doable as well

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Eventually

fast tinsel Dec 28, 2019, 9:22 PM

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One thing you can do is join a couple of game jams, play the games there, and if anything clicks with you you make sure to get in touch with the game's maker. Some people will definitely message you if they like your game too! That's my plan for 2020, at least

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itch.io makes all of that incredibly easy

wise wolf Dec 28, 2019, 9:25 PM

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A question just crossed my mind, would you rather play a game with great music and bad art or a great looking game with mediocre soundtrack (or no soundtrack at all)?

hasty kernel Dec 28, 2019, 9:28 PM

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The latter

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You can just put external music to make up for it

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You cannot do the same for art

wise wolf Dec 28, 2019, 9:32 PM

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Fair point (since then it's not really a disadvantage). But in the case you couldn't?

fast tinsel Dec 28, 2019, 9:32 PM

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The thing with bad art is that it can be played off as a strength and make for some interesting visuals in a way (Baldi comes to mind), having simple sprites also make the characters easier to draw >> it's easier for the player to connect (Seemed especially true for Undertale). Music on the other hand, if it's bad from the get-go, there isn't much that can be done to save it. So I'd rather pick the former

hasty kernel Dec 28, 2019, 9:36 PM

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Even then Id favour art

wide ember Dec 28, 2019, 9:39 PM

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Touhou had awful character arts the first few games but it was still popular/hyped because the gameplay plus music were both really good

hasty kernel Dec 28, 2019, 9:40 PM

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True

wide ember Dec 28, 2019, 10:20 PM

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And team Shanghai Alice was one man

hasty kernel Dec 28, 2019, 10:21 PM

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ZUN, yeah

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But things have changed since then tbh

faint panther Dec 28, 2019, 10:29 PM

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Hollow Knight w as made by a very small team.

autumn pasture Dec 28, 2019, 10:37 PM

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true, but even w a three person team there are a lot of other people in the credits

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video games aren't really an auteur field

upbeat scroll Dec 28, 2019, 10:39 PM

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eh, nothing is really an auteur field besides maybe painting

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i have personally made games "alone" but i was relying on a lot of code written by hundreds of people

hasty kernel Dec 28, 2019, 10:45 PM

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There really are just too many moving parts

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One guy being a writer, gameplay designer, coder, artist, musician, sound designer, animator and potentially even salesman is unrealistic

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Hence why the types of games where a one-guy team can work usually cut down on some number of these

chilly briar Dec 28, 2019, 10:56 PM

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Or massive amounts of time is invested in all areas causing the titles process to take years

hasty kernel Dec 28, 2019, 10:56 PM

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Right

bitter surge Dec 28, 2019, 11:08 PM

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And then there’s Undertale and Deltarune, where everything save the art was created by Toby Fox.

upbeat scroll Dec 28, 2019, 11:09 PM

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thats a big "but"

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art is a huge huge timesink

wise wolf Dec 28, 2019, 11:09 PM

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I'd rather write my own music than art hah

serene tulip Dec 28, 2019, 11:29 PM

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162650

hasty kernel Dec 28, 2019, 11:33 PM

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I cannot write music at all, so I stick to trying to make art

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Its funny actually, Ive got good musical hearing, but a complete lack of music theory knowledge, or compositional skills

serene tulip Dec 28, 2019, 11:57 PM

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I lifted 405lbs yesterday at the gym

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8 plates baybee

slow plover Dec 29, 2019, 12:08 AM

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listening is like 95% of composition, at least now that we have computer composition software that can playback as you write

hasty kernel Dec 29, 2019, 12:14 AM

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See the thing is, I can tell when something sounds off, but that doesnt mean I can think of a combination that doesnt

wise wolf Dec 29, 2019, 12:16 AM

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Yeah, it's kinda like drawing isn't easy just because you can see what's being drawn

velvet fjord Dec 29, 2019, 12:18 AM

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if drawing was as simple as "that looks pretty" and then you create a masterpiece, I'd be much better at it

wise wolf Dec 29, 2019, 12:21 AM

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I've been slowly developing my musical sense over years and while I am relatively confident writing some melodies on top of a harmonic base I'm still not able to put together a whole track and usage of percussion is largerly a mystery to me. Resources are necessary, some basic music theory, and often you need to hear just something that gives you the basic intuition.

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Still better than my drawing which is.... ugh.

cerulean frost Dec 29, 2019, 1:28 AM

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@finite fog Sorry for the (second) ping, but isn't your profile pic a 'jho gem? Was upvoting your feedback and it just occurred to me it looks familiar 😛

honest glade Dec 29, 2019, 2:52 AM

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I kinda know that feel in regards to music. I've been in choruses/choirs, I've had classes in both the flute and guitar, and I taught myself basics in piano.

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I have near pitch perfect hearing... but I can't compose anything... and I can't read music.

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I did everything by ear.

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I'm basically Nick Cannon in Drumline.

slow plover Dec 29, 2019, 2:53 AM

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blegh that movie

honest glade Dec 29, 2019, 2:53 AM

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i know XD

scarlet chasm Dec 29, 2019, 2:54 AM

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I used to play the Clarinet/Saxophone for combined 9 years. I loved the Sax, but my Clarinet teacher has permanently killed my interest in playing or composing. I find no joy in music anymore.

faint panther Dec 29, 2019, 2:54 AM

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Just learn how to read music. That part is easy.

honest glade Dec 29, 2019, 2:54 AM

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I don't have a mind for it, personally.

faint panther Dec 29, 2019, 2:54 AM

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Perfect pitch is not something everyone has.

scarlet chasm Dec 29, 2019, 2:54 AM

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Reading music is rather simple, really. Simple rules, yet still easily moldable.

slow plover Dec 29, 2019, 2:54 AM

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I learned to sight-read music notation before learning my instrument (Horn) and then I spent 12 years getting classically trained

faint panther Dec 29, 2019, 2:54 AM

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Unless I've been lied to, Armored Core 4's soundtrack was composed by someone who can't read music, either.

honest glade Dec 29, 2019, 2:55 AM

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Like, there was a time I recognized some of the notes. But my brain just doesn't really want to accept it.

faint panther Dec 29, 2019, 2:55 AM

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(I played trumpet for 7 years)

scarlet chasm Dec 29, 2019, 2:55 AM

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Though I found music theory to be.. unfathomably boring.

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Had to take them on the side, and I skipped every single lesson after a year.

slow plover Dec 29, 2019, 2:55 AM

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I did band for the entirety of middle school and high school, and also did 5 years of Drum Corps International

honest glade Dec 29, 2019, 2:56 AM

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My greatest talent is anything that related to writing, be it essays or fiction or editing... But I'd never tell someone else it's easy to learn. That's just me, though. Because I'm hyper aware of the fact that some people just learn in particular ways.

faint panther Dec 29, 2019, 2:56 AM

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Yoooooooo, you played in DCI?

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Part of me wishes I had tried.

honest glade Dec 29, 2019, 2:57 AM

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So, to me, learning to read music is not easy just like how for some people being able to slam out a research paper in two hours isn't easy.

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But can I do that no problem? Yes.

scarlet chasm Dec 29, 2019, 2:59 AM

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I found writing to be my preferred method of creative outlet. I can't compose or draw, but I can sing and write. So there's that. And it just so happens that Finnish allows for some really beautiful sounding stories 'n' writing in general.

slow plover Dec 29, 2019, 3:00 AM

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I did a small corps (which died later) for 2 years and then Blue Stars for the remaining 3

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and you should've. I was a great player and horrifically bad dancer/marcher and still made it to the top 9

hasty kernel Dec 29, 2019, 3:23 AM

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I've been playing instruments for, hm, 15 years now, but I still struggle reading notes sometimes

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Not sure why, but they just refuse to associate with the sound of the key on the keyboard

slow plover Dec 29, 2019, 3:24 AM

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I'll admit to having problems learning the notes on a non treble-clef brass instrument

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gimme a trumpet or horn and I'll play it just fine sight reading

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not so much with anything else

hasty kernel Dec 29, 2019, 3:25 AM

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Which is why I'm uncertain if Ive got perfect pitch or not, I cant test it because of that

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Could be that I have perfect pitch but also musical dyslexia

north hamlet Dec 29, 2019, 3:26 AM

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there is also the distinction between having good relative pitch vs absolute pitch

slow plover Dec 29, 2019, 3:27 AM

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I had really good relative pitch when I was still "trained"

hasty kernel Dec 29, 2019, 3:27 AM

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Yeah I know, relative pitch requires reference notes while absolute doesnt

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Thing is, if you can't get the notes sorted at all, it's hard to figure out if you've got it or not

slow plover Dec 29, 2019, 3:29 AM

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they're...

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they're alphabetical?

hasty kernel Dec 29, 2019, 3:29 AM

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Suppose I'm not getting much use out of it either way

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Yeah that part is easy, I just can't get my brain to associate em

slow plover Dec 29, 2019, 3:30 AM

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only weirdness in music note names is between B and C and E and F

hasty kernel Dec 29, 2019, 3:30 AM

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Once I figured out which one is C I can just count up

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But I don't identify C very quickly

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Dunno why

slow plover Dec 29, 2019, 3:31 AM

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afaik, everyone I know with perfect pitch basically just bashed on labelled piano keys until they could do it without that reference

hasty kernel Dec 29, 2019, 3:32 AM

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Well doesn't matter, I ain't gonna be composing music any time soon

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Or ever, most likely

slow plover Dec 29, 2019, 3:33 AM

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perfect pitch is more useful for performers anyways

hasty kernel Dec 29, 2019, 3:34 AM

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I suppose it is

slow plover Dec 29, 2019, 3:35 AM

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only reason you'd want it as a composer is if you wanted to transcribe something that they won't just hand you a copy of

hasty kernel Dec 29, 2019, 3:35 AM

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I wonder, is there an equivalent to perfect pitch for colours?

slow plover Dec 29, 2019, 3:35 AM

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according to the study Randall Monroe (creator of xkcd) did, emphatic no

hasty kernel Dec 29, 2019, 3:35 AM

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Interesting

slow plover Dec 29, 2019, 3:36 AM

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some people are ok-ish at guessing hex codes

wide ember Dec 29, 2019, 3:36 AM

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no two brains read colours the same way though

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pc screens maybe, but humans? very unlikely

north hamlet Dec 29, 2019, 3:37 AM

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there's quite a bit of variance between screens too

slow plover Dec 29, 2019, 3:37 AM

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same could be said of sounds

wide ember Dec 29, 2019, 3:38 AM

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sounds are a lot easier to hear very similar sounds to the point that it's easier to agree it's the same

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but colours have significantly wider variation

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in term of perception

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sounds are much wider waves, see

hasty kernel Dec 29, 2019, 3:39 AM

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On a sidenote I should stop coming up with stories I know I'm never gonna write/turn into a game

slow plover Dec 29, 2019, 3:39 AM

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same

wide ember Dec 29, 2019, 3:40 AM

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it's fun though

hasty kernel Dec 29, 2019, 3:41 AM

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It is, but it's wasted potential

slow plover Dec 29, 2019, 3:41 AM

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not necessarily

hasty kernel Dec 29, 2019, 3:41 AM

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~~I should also get around to finishing any~~

slow plover Dec 29, 2019, 3:41 AM

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if you do actually write things/make games, it's good mental practice

hasty kernel Dec 29, 2019, 3:43 AM

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I suppose

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Also I should get good at art so I can make games or maybe comics

slow plover Dec 29, 2019, 3:45 AM

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argh

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that's been my one major downfall

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I can't for the life of me art

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but all my writing ideas enter my brain in comic form

hasty kernel Dec 29, 2019, 3:46 AM

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I can sketch some things reasonably well, but it's mostly bad

wide ember Dec 29, 2019, 3:46 AM

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~~marry someone who can art and team up~~

knotty sable Dec 29, 2019, 3:47 AM

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@slow plover you should absolutely still draw comic or thumbnail it anyways. don't lose those ideas! you wont remember them if you don't record them

slow plover Dec 29, 2019, 3:48 AM

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oh, I'm writing one idea down in movie script-ish format

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turns out my brain goes from "broad strokes overall concept" to "5 pages of actual comic script" in about 30 minutes

knotty sable Dec 29, 2019, 3:49 AM

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that's a pretty good rate if you ask me

hasty kernel Dec 29, 2019, 3:49 AM

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Sol, step one is probably already more complicated than just learning art

slow plover Dec 29, 2019, 3:50 AM

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it doesn't include things like "what do the characters look like" or "can you actually be descriptive enough about what you want to see to be useful" though

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that definitely takes a bit longer

knotty sable Dec 29, 2019, 3:50 AM

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lol i know what you mean

hasty kernel Dec 29, 2019, 3:50 AM

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Coming up with Visual Designs is the part that's fastest for me

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Its composition I struggle with

slow plover Dec 29, 2019, 3:51 AM

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see, I'm not even into the world of art enough to know the difference

hasty kernel Dec 29, 2019, 3:51 AM

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Also Dialogue

knotty sable Dec 29, 2019, 3:52 AM

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ahaha for me it's a bit of the oppsite, i can sketch out a composition that i like, but actually creating unique designs that don't seem too rehashed is quite difficult for me

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i also suck at writing

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just need to practice more

slow plover Dec 29, 2019, 3:54 AM

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I can do the writing and flow of dialogue ok, just can't do art in any capacity

knotty sable Dec 29, 2019, 3:54 AM

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we should trade skills for a day

wide ember Dec 29, 2019, 3:54 AM

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~~i can do both okay but have no time or energy~~

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sometimes it feels like the easier way is to find a well-paying job, marry someone who does art or writing good, and team up with them and let them work on it full time

hasty kernel Dec 29, 2019, 3:56 AM

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The thing with designs is that they will never be completely unique

slow plover Dec 29, 2019, 3:56 AM

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splitting the work (and having an accountability buddy) can help with energy problems

hasty kernel Dec 29, 2019, 3:56 AM

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That shouldn't be the goal

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Instead have designs that are at least a fresh take on an established concept

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No idea if I'm any good at writing since I never finish anything more than world building, and world building is the easy part

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But it's at least something I can learn quickly ish

slow plover Dec 29, 2019, 3:58 AM

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or just ignore the originality thing completely except for a final "sanity check" to make sure you didn't unintentionally copy something someone else made wholesale