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neon kayak
velvet tide
duwu
lavish basin
Sometimes it just be like that.
tall sleet
When did everyone but ven become medusa
tall sleet
lavish basin
Meg Mondays?
minor path
the medusa > mod dusa pun was too good to pass up
rugged light
now I want a picture of Meg looking really disgruntled with an "I hate mondays" mug
lone pollen
zag but with garfield's art style
sturdy oasis
im zag and I hate mondays but loooooooove ambrosia
faint moth
Mondays π±
astral roost
man, i did now realize just how Much music was in the full soundtracks for transistor and pyre
i love all of it!
brazen harbor
Transistor soundtrack still makes me an emotional wreck.
grave island
god same
gleaming tapir
My ringtone for my bfβs calls is part of the humming from Paper Boats... to make sure I answer it right away and donβt make myself sad XD
prisma hamlet
She Shines is legitimately one of my favorite pieces of music of all time
the soundtrack is so good
prisma hamlet
digging it up now and yknow what? ur right
got a really nice suspenseful vibe to it
cosmic ether
that one's actually my fav ahaha
rugged light
Iβd join this conversation but then Iβd just end up posting every song on the OST so
olive hull
apex beat and dormant best songs
neon kayak
I was just abouts say the beach song π
rugged light
Also water wall for funky accordion beats
neon kayak
Honestly though, fav Soundtrack so far is Transistor, with the lyrical songs from Bastion being up there also
Like Pantheon is ππ»
rugged light
Transistor then pyre then bastion for me
velvet tide
transistor best sountrack imo
rugged light
Pyre is super close but I think transistor beats it just a little bit imo
velvet tide
pyres took a bit to grow on me but now its like just behind transistor's yeah
neon kayak
Maybe i just donβt have as much fond memories cause yet to beat pyre so
velvet tide
ahhh yeah
neon kayak
Like the game takes soooo long and its so hard if you drop it at all haha
velvet tide
i think a large part of the appeal is the way the story uses the music too
rugged light
I dropped it for a while but when I came back I was hooked
sturdy oasis
When tariq sings mourning song... real sad hours
neon kayak
So is Dusa like the new fav or something?
white cave
New fav? I think she's been a fav since the start π
neon kayak
Just got Hades yesterday so c:
white cave
Welcome to the Hades experience! It's very good
neon kayak
So far yup, like the characters mostly:)
olive hull
Shatter Shot is just Crash(Spark,Switch) wake up cloudbank
spare ermine
Is Hades still early access?
faint moth
Yes, I'm sure their will be an announcment of some form once it leaved early acces, possibly even before than point
olive hull
its going to be in early access for at least a year soo dont hold your breath for it :P
willow pasture
where'd "at least a year" come from
white cave
We expect Early Access to last more than a year from our initial launch on Dec. 6, 2018.```Ah
copper nymph
Okay, time to buy another game from my favourite game studio
Or
Well
Itβs past midnight, so I might sleep first
Also heya :3
meager plume
who needs sleep xD
meager plume
oof xD
ornate hound
oh wow this is really interesting way of checking patchnotes from a dev. I LOVE IT! if all gamedevs whose games I play did this it would be nice. decided to come here so I can follow the developement of Hades cause i'm interested in it. because the label "early access" isn't always that promising haha. but yeah supergiant games has always delivered
frozen depot
i bought the Hades game and i cant found it anywhere
Look like something went worng and my fund will returned in 3-5 business days. What's it?
i lost my money right?
sturdy oasis
Hm, you bought it through the Epic store?
sturdy oasis
Idk a whole lot but maybe message Epic support? Theyβll know more than people here
grave island
People have had issues purchasing on the epic store before. My two suggestions are to use the desktop store instead of the browser store, and to use Paypal to pay instead of a card.
And also, yeah, to contact Epic support; unfortunately there's not a lot we can do here about Epic.
You haven't lost your money though; like they said, it'll be refunded in a few days, and if it isn't you can contact them.
sturdy oasis
Sorry man :(
prisma hamlet
@outer girder nice!! on what instrument?
copper nymph
so... about to buy the game when I read this
should I use paypal then? :p
eh I'll just download desktop version
aaaand downloading :3
lofty nexus
yes
solid flame
I'd say action dungeon crawler would be the best description I can think of
It's like bastion and Diablo had a baby in australia
lofty nexus
I've been calling it Bastion and Rogue Legacy's love child
bronze lichen
I loved Bastion and Transistor
but I never felt the enemies were threatening enough
lofty nexus
heh.
bronze lichen
Like, Bayo or w/e
Still, they're amazing experiences on their own as is. Idols in Bastion are a really neat way to up the difficulty instead of having numerous difficulty modes
The only enemy design I wasn't particularly fond of in Bastion were the little runts
Because in a cluttered screen it's hard to tell when they're telegraphing their attacks
distant meteor
Hi. Any chance to bring your other games to Xbox? There's only Bastion so far? π€
minor path
i mean they're a little bit busy working on hades
arctic hawk
so thanks to a combination of steams winter sale and epic games ill be completing my super giant games collection on the 1st when i get paid ^-^
i already own bastion but a sale finaly came around that lets me grab pyre transistor and now hades as well
neon kayak
Fun fact: bought Transistor, Pyre, and Bastion all with money selling TF2 and CS:GO crates
tall sleet
π
outer girder
nice
hollow mango
austere dune
pyre is the only one i didn't know about. gonna have to grab that
neon kayak
I just bought Hades and gifted my best friend Pyre
Hopefully we'll both love our games XD
balmy geyser
my bf got me the sgg socks ππ I love them
candid quartz
eager lava
On Hades? π€
olive hull
go through the pink window below skelly @candid quartz
eager lava
If it's Hades, yes, Hades is a roguelite and you "can't continue" when you die. You have to restart by going to Zagreus room, however you can buy death defiance passives in the mirror that give you an extra 20 hp life after a death. There's also sometimes the possibility of buying extra death defiances in the shops that are scattered across the rooms. Hope that helps!
gloomy bramble
hey just wanna say thanks to all the discord mods (and if there are any of the developers in this discord) for working so hard on this game, specially around the holidays and being able to make so many patches so often! β€ <@&456908176877551658>
I hope you all have an amazing new year and had good holidays β€
olive hull
thank you, but were just moderating the discord, not working on the game π
grave island
β‘
velvet tide
you know what ill take it. and put the energy to a future where i somehow influence a game thing
and thank you!!!! i hope your new year is also great 
gloomy bramble
Modding is still a lot of work, trying to make sure people are helped with their problems, since it still support to game and gives a sense of positive community for Super Giant. β€
don't sell yourselves too short, it might be volunteer, but it's still hard work!
velvet tide
π π π thank you!!!!!
faint tusk
i second that!! you folks are kicking butt at making this place a cool hangout space for supergiant fans
velvet tide
thats so important to me im glad!!!!
minor path
πππ
neon kayak
Can agree. As almost a D1 Supergiant fan since Bastion, kinda sad only just knownfinding thisbplace
grave island
Well this server is pretty young actually!
We had a fan server before but even that is only a year and a half old
I mean, we STILL have the fan server, not to talk in the past tense
outer girder
it's like this place but less formal and more shrieky fangirls
as well as 600% more gay
it's great
thin cave
yeah, man, newp is like... sixish months old? maybe?
and i found/joined soup about a week before pyre came out
(some of us have dubbed the fan and official servers "soupergiant" and "newpergiant" respectively, for distinction's sake)
worn rampart
What do you mean you are AT SOUP(ergiant)??
Why are you buying games at the soup store???
gleaming tapir
ok but why is the fan server βsoupβ?
gleaming tapir
I mean I get newp
rotund lark
weird question but does anyone else want a multiplayer fousced sequal to pyre that expands on the gameplay and actually keeps getting updates with new mechanics and characters?
willow pasture
if it was multiplayer focused we wouldnt get to know the characters we're playing with
neon kayak
I'd appreciate competitive Pyre as a novelty, but the reason I love Pyre is because it's a resonant and compelling RPG, not just because it's got great combat
I'm not really dying for a multiplayer experience, personally
untold cove
I'd appreciate competitive Pyre
Well I've got good news for you
https://discord.gg/XHTtNGe
π
untold cove
Between 5 and 15 mins
last sequoia
white cave
I think they mean the full games, not the Rites thing? I could be wrong though
untold cove
Ohhh
tall sleet
Transistor is about 4or 5 hours
white cave
I've had good results basing play time off of howlongtobeat.com times Β―_(γ)_/Β―
willow pasture
sgg canon speedrun would be interesting
youd have 2 isomorphic brawlers, 1 vn/sports game, and 1 roguelike, which are run completely differently
deep blade
bronze lichen
Pyre speedrun still takes forever
neon kayak
speedrunning an mmo lel
faint moth
WoW speedrunning is easy though, insert credit card 
neon kayak
thats true with all MMO's lol
fringe ember
faint moth
Compared to the average casual playthrough it's fast 
Their are speedruns that take over 12+ hours
bronze lichen
Yea I'd usually agree
but after seeing runners literally wreck their stuff on livestream because they failed a run or w/e
ππ
faint moth
stuff happens, doesn't change the primary reason that they're doing what they're doing is for the fun of it
I've seen it happen too doesn't mean it happens very often at all
dusty lotus
Bastion has some cool strats
And the mcguffin duplication glitch so you only have to do half the levels
faint tusk
are there speedrunners trying to run hades yet, or are they waiting for the game to be completed first? i'd love to see people run it
grave island
@obtuse compass has been doing runs!
pastel plover
And you add Pyre Transistor and bastion in EPIC Games stor
faint moth
Their are, I'm 99% sure there's a Speedrun.com page setup for it
Speedrunning early access games isn't exactly uncommon
Another example of something in early access Visage saw a good amount of activity speedrun wise in the past couple of months
And that early access version only has chapter 1 availible
dusty lotus
There is a speedrun . com page for it
Way more people running it than actually submitting for it
grave island
dusa days have ended
minor path
dusa days are still real in my heart, ven,,
dim drum
π
woven sinew
Can I get hades on ps4 yet?
neon kayak
@woven sinew nope, only on windows PC from the epic games store presently
graceful pebble
Well uhh
Hello there
w> who wave
oh dear its a ghost!
hehee fun indeed
but alas, this one needs rest and away i shall go for about 10 hours
nocturne oak
Missed the bastion speedrunning talk from yesterday. The bastion speedrunning community is pretty great even though we are also very small. Next AGDQ will have Bastion all story levels in it. So look out for that!
thorny ermine
ooh
worldly kindle
always dying at the end boss π’
graceful pebble
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
faint thunder
bought today hades only relaying on the trust you've built with the previous games, and guys i've to admit you never cease to amaze me, way to go and thanks for another jewel
graceful pebble
w> I would get Hades, but i wish to wait for it to leave early access
white cave
It's very good, you'll be in for a treat in 2020
graceful pebble
humm I like Rogue-like games alot
but i have a habit of draining them dry
and also you enjoy D&D?
white cave
I do 
graceful pebble
white cave
Don't know what would give that away 
graceful pebble
I enjoy it too, but i homebrew alot 
white cave
The game I'm currently playing in is a homebrew campaign using 5e rules, I've never actually played a published adventure 
me neither
acoustic breach
Happy new year everybody! Hope this year is the bestest!
past totem
happy new year all, hope yall are having a good time no matter what form it may take
mint wraith
Happy New Year, SGG family!!
bronze lichen
SGG Character Action Game when π
velvet tide
theyre like.
a little bit busy
bronze lichen
Hell yea
2019 looking like a good year for gaming. Gonna DMCV, Bayo3, Hades are all on my spotlight rn
past totem
hey everyone ^^, hope yall are having a good day. this might have been answered already and if so apologies but does anyone know if transistor is gonna have a physical release on the switch?
abstract carbon
hey @past totem no plans at the moment, but we haven't ruled anything out
past totem
awesome ^^, thanks alot for the answer have a wonderfull day Michael
abstract carbon
you too!
past totem
thanks β€
neon kayak
hello everyone, i just picked up hades and when i was going trough all the settings i notiched there isnt a 144hz setting. Any plans on implementing that in the future? Love your games btw.
false alarm!!! when i started i immediatly felt that 144hz is already implemented. Finally a studio who does that by themselves. Thats awesome.
tight jetty
#supergiant-games I am a writer working on a LitRPG book, would you guys take issue with periodic questions being sent to you?
potent grove
grave island
@tight jetty In general SGG has been really open to questions about lore or the development process! They're pretty busy now with Hades but if you sent an email to the address on their webpage or mentioned them on Twitter, you're welcome to ask whatever you'd like.
dreamy aspen
Loving Hades so far. It's a bit of a bummer that it shuts off my HDR and is finicky display-wise sometimes with my setup, but I understand that it isn't quite a finished product yet. π
grave island
Out of curiosity, have you checked to make sure it's running on the correct graphics card?
It has a finnicky tendency to run on basic graphics instead of the nice, souped-up nvidia card that's just sitting there waiting to display your games, haha
dreamy aspen
If it is running on my integrated graphics, it's doing so remarkably well.
Though when it crashed from what I assume were memory problems a while ago (I ran it for too long)
I do recall it mentioning Nvidia in there
I'll check
grave island
Mk, it's just a standard troubleshooting thing I suggest! The memory leak is very real and is a known issue
dreamy aspen
Yep, Hades is on my 1080Ti.
Man, it would have been mighty impressive if this game was running this smooth on my iGPU
grave island
mine actually ran fairly good on my integrated graphics, i was surprised!
anyways, it's worth reporting your bugs if you can, there's an in-built bug reporter that you can use by hitting f10 that'll send setup information and such that would probably be helpful to the devs in troubleshooting stuff like that
dreamy aspen
Ah. Yeah, I've noticed quite a few quirks but reading some of the stuff already posted seemed to indicate that they weren't quite there on my display resolution yet
random mantle
I'm really torn between buying Hades now and waiting for the full release 
Finally finished Pyre so I don't have any excuses π
faint moth
Any other games you got on your backlog?
random mantle
Always π
faint moth
Then I think the answer is pretty clear, hades will always be their should you want to buy it at a later date, full release or otherwise :3
neon kayak
Hello Supergiant-games, i love your game Hades ! Thank you ! you are creating the game that i am looking for π
worldly elm
AGDQs Bastion run is comming up in a few minutes for anyone interested!
short knoll
Has SGg done any cross overs?
rich heart
there was a portal turret dlc for bastion iirc
short knoll
I see I see
meager plume
bastion announcer in dota
warm birch
I think red was going ti be in indivisible
torn moss
Jen Zee once draw the Camerata, Red, Boxer, & Luna as Pyre Triumvirates
faint moth
The kid and squirt was one of the 12 friends you rescued in Dust: An Elysian Tail
willow pasture
pizza scene in transistor has some cameos
white cave
Hmmm, I played Dust but I honestly don't remember that. To be fair it's been a few years
faint moth
You find him in archers pass, and you require all the resonance gem stones in the game to access it (the intended way anyways)
It's out of the way and very easy to miss
white cave
Yeah, I didn't do much after finishing the game. To be honest I was kind of done with it by the time I finished the story
faint moth
One of my favorite clips in the game is getting to the cage where the kid is without having all the resonance gem stones :3
white cave
Ha ha nice
faint moth
You still need the red and blue resonance gem stones to get into the room though
white cave
Fidget's voice drove me crazy, so that probably contributed a significant portion to not going through any extras
It's still possible that I did find The Kid and just don't remember, though
I'd guess it's been 4 or 5 years since I played
faint moth
Yeah, i can understand that i didn't like fidgets voice at first either
550+ hours in the game later 
short knoll
So how long after a game is released do they normally make/sell merch for it?
brave marlin
Isn't Red in skullgirls too?
IIRC the art director for that studio and JZee are old friends.
or that's what I remember reading on The Inter Net
brave marlin
Wasn't it, ah, a transistor skin for one of the skullgirl characters?
brave marlin
Oh that's neat, I think I remember someone pointing that out to me.
olive hull
nah thats valid, i havent played a lot of it bc im bad at fighting games
finally found the post i was looking for
short knoll
I see I see, so they are few but neat!
neon kayak
I recently got a Nintendo Switch Pro Controller, and it's by far my favorite gamepad atm (I love it even more than the DS4). I just wish I could play Hades with it, but Epic's launcher doesn't have built-in support for it like Steam does yet. :/
tall sleet
Go to Steam. Click on add a non steam game. Add the exe for Hades and then launch hades through steam and then you should be able to use the pro controller if it works
It worked for me for For Honor (which i have in the UPlay launcher) but im not entirely sure if it'll work with Hades since i dont have Hades
tall sleet
Nice!
urban forum
Can confirm, the pro controller is the best
charred cave
Hi guys. I'm thinking about getting Bastion and or Transistor for the switch. Which game would you recommend to get first?
mortal pawn
Bastion, just got it for the Switch myself even though I just finished it on PC
stone relic
depends on your preferences for games and fiction really
bastion has a little more action while transistor has a little more strategy
the story of transistor also requires a bit of digging to fully enjoy, so if the indirectness isn't really your style you'd probably like it less
they're both excellent so if you don't really care about the differences just flip a coin
meager plume
or go with release order. not that it matters
meager plume
tbf i played pyre first
faint moth
pick one and go with it ^_^
meager plume
but i generally do things in order, yeah xD
stone relic
i played them in release order, but not with any intention of doing so
faint moth
they're both amazing games in their own right
I also happened to play them in release order
just how it worked out
meager plume
i honestly dont know how i ended up playing pyre first, i dont know where i heard about it. but i was aware of bastion and transistor before that
faint moth
just how things worked out :3
charred cave
I thought about getting them in order as well.
meager plume
issa mystery
charred cave
What is Pyre?
faint moth
it's a visual novel sportsball game
meager plume
half visual novel, half sports game
charred cave
Ah, so not a game for me.
faint moth
personally I'm not all that into VN's or sportsball, but the Pyre is definitely worth checking out imo
meager plume
if you end up liking their other games, you should give it a chance
faint moth
the VN sections are broken up well by the sportsball elements from my experience with the game
meager plume
depends what you want from games i guess
faint moth
that's also true
charred cave
I already played Bastion and Transistor a bit at a friend's place on PC and liked the gameplay just found Transistors storytelling a bit strange
faint moth
very little in transistor is explicitly told to you, but I quite like that
brave marlin
I think calling it a visual novel is a bit of a disservice to it. It's not really, is it?
I don't care about anime VNs at ALL and I loved Pyre, and didn't find anything even remotely smelling of anime VN in it.
faint moth
it is, it plays very much like a VN outside the sportsball parts
grave island
i mean, VN is a wider genre than just anime VNs
fans of the VN format have taken it out of purely anime territory
brave marlin
Maybe so
grave island
i would say that, if anything, pyre is a little low on choices to be called a VN
brave marlin
I mean it's as much of a VN as legend of korra is an anime, if I may make that comparison.
grave island
but the aesthetic and the gameplay flow outside of the sportsball segments is very VN
faint moth
what's the free VN that came out called again?
that has less choices than pyre and is still considered a VN
grave island
doki doki literature club?
faint moth
that one
grave island
pyre has choice but a lot of it comes out in gameplay
er, i mean
the sportsball segments
and in who you choose to liberate
that's not a traditional format for VN choices
faint moth
sure, but that doesn't stop the non-gameplay elements to be considered VN elements
grave island
right, i'm just saying that VN-style choices are few and far between in Pyre
you get to kind of choose a background for the reader, and you get to make the big speech, and respond to volfred...sometimes you can make minor choices in side convos with characters
faint moth
I whole heartitly disagree with that, but I'm way to tired to construct proper reasoning
grave island
most of the variability in pyre's storyline is expressed through how many rites you win and who you choose to liberate in what order
rather than being expressed through selections made from menu-style choice screens in dialogues
meager plume
not every visual novel is a dating sim. it's more about the format
grave island
there's no "hedwyn will remember that"
faint moth
that's doesn't nessesarily make it a visual novel though
grave island
visual novels don't usually have gameplay outside of...visual novel
grave island
so the fact that most of pyre's choices are made outside the novel-style sections mean that it doesn't really have VN-style choices
that's what I mean
faint moth
yes, usually, but it having gameplay doesn't make it not have VN elements
grave island
oh, no, sorry, I wasn't saying that at all
It does have VN elements
its choices just aren't one of them
meager plume
sounds about rite
grave island
you said "doki doki literature club has less choices than pyre but is still considered a VN"
aggy did i mean
I was trying to point out that pyre's choices don't work like VN choices usually do
but the format of the dialogue and all that is VN-style
meager plume
yeah
grave island
ddlc is considered a VN on format alone, but it also has choices in it that are VN-style choices
where it's like..."spend time with x girl" and then you get story and CG's related to that
meager plume
i havent played/seen it but at the very least it gives you the illusion of a choice
meager plume
in pyre you quickly realize it doesnt matter that much what you choose
grave island
but yeah VN's also aren't only dating sims and to Bomoo's point, all genres start somewhere and end up somewhere else; anime was disney animation before it was anime
valid brook
is Pyre a VN disguised as a game?
faint moth
FPS was doom clones originally
meager plume
:V
grave island
a VN doesn't have to be Japanese or have dating elements to be considered a VN
valid brook
where the only viable choice is Sandra?
meager plume
you know what i want? like from any game really
i want a game where i get to wingman for other characters xD
grave island
i wonder how much of VNs mostly being romance-based has to do with VN writers not being good enough writers to make a compelling story without romance in it...
meager plume
bonus points if the protagonist is ace/aro
faint moth
hmm, there's one ending in pigeon dating sim that is that
valid brook
way too many, ven
meager plume
asdfgh
grave island
(i have played hatoful boyfriend, don't @ me)
valid brook
but that's the case for most stories
meager plume
good one
valid brook
@ven
faint moth
hatoful boyfriend is amazing :3
grave island
i do think maybe some of the...weirdness with pyre that i know some people picked up on, besides sports game fans and VN fans being often two very different categories of people, is that the VN segments and the Rites felt very cut off from each other sometimes
faint moth
I like calling it pigeon dating sim because one of my friends nicknames is "a pigeon"
meager plume
valid
grave island
like i said, conversation choices often had little to no consequence; all the choice was like frontloaded into the rites
faint moth
that doesn't not make it a VN, but I do see you're point
grave island
so it was like. exposition exposition exposition HIGH-RISK CONSEQUENTIAL GAMEPLAY exposition exposition
faint moth
your*
grave island
oh i know it has vn elements i'm not denying that sorry if it seemed like i was gkjdfgdf
meager plume
you're right about the weirdness part Ven
faint moth
yeah, I think I'm just way to tired
meager plume
i wouldn't classify pyre as visual novel. nor a sports game
grave island
you sorta sleepwalk through a bunch of text and then there's these short bursts of activity where everything counts
meager plume
just a game that has elements of both, in roughly half/half ratio
faint moth
I wouldn't classify it as one or the other
grave island
would've been nice if the choice/consequence was more balanced between the gameplay modes though
grave island
the only consequences that came from conversation options were usually temporary buffs/debuffs and, once, a change to a character's facial hair
meager plume
tbh there's a SPOILER consequence that happens during the conversation moment, not sportsball moment
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
grave island
ok that's fair
the outcomes of the end of the game do focus themselves in convo but it still revolves around the outcome of the rite
meager plume
like, i definitely agree with you
but also its a bit more complicated
and that's okay
grave island
you have the opportunity to make a choice through gameplay...and then, if you realize you hecked up, to remedy that choice in conversation
faint moth
i am actually falling asleep, so imma try see if RNGesus is kind or not 
meager plume
oh wow Ven you nailed it
faint moth
that is perfect Ven :3
grave island
WELL IT'S TRUE
meager plume
it is!
grave island
like, you are given the chance to kind of say....well [spoiler] deserves this so i'm gonna throw the match
but that doesn't....occur to a lot of people
or they might go in like "no i owe it to my friends to win"
and then change their mind
everyone involved has a couple minutes to ~chill~, to ~reflect~
meager plume
there's similar possible choice earlier that in hindsight was a BIG MISTAKE but the birb lady was happy not as sad as she could've been xD
faint moth
even if you win the match you have the option of "no actually [spoiler] deserves it more than I"
faint moth
ooh a thing 
valid brook
faint moth
anyways imma actually attempt that thing called sleep
meager plume
some games just do the illusion of choice really well and you can easily forgive them
good luck, night o/
grave island
(greg voice during the end of pyre) are you sure about that
thin cave
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faint tusk
dggfdgfsdg
rich heart
Dude same
robust badger
This is a weird question that I've been wondering about for awhile now, but how does Supergiant manage to keep its head above water financially as a private company that isn't being traded? I've always wondered how companies like that can operate on small budgets while making games that are so dang memorable and of such high quality. (And that don't have predatory monetization, for that matter) I've always wondered how great indies like SGG managed to avoid needing to consolidate.
white cave
I suspect healthy sales numbers play a large part of that Β―_(γ)_/Β―
robust badger
I imagine so, but even then- video game production is quite resource intensive. There's got to be some pretty dang great financial management on the back end too. I feel like there's a great story in that.
I'm kind of curious to see how much the whole finance side of things goes into consideration compared to AAA companies, which seem to be increasingly dominated by it.
Especially without the key resource of public investors.
meager plume
merch sales probably help, especially physical soundtracks
robust badger
As someone who bought and covets the Pyre soundtrack, I'd be curious to see how much they get off of said sales.
Mind you, I also know I'd throw a lot of money at SGG for more Pyre merch too. That game got me like almost no other one ever could.
willow pasture
SF land price can't be cheap
robust badger
I'll have to ask next time SGG does an Ask Supergiant thing- although those are woefully rare.
faint moth
I mean, the SGG team are busy deving Hades so i don't think they have time for an AMA at the moment
Time is money so the saying goes
white cave
Time is the enemy
faint moth
The sun is evil too, always staring at us with is ever intensive gaze
rotund hatch
chrome plume
So are Supergiant releasing Hades on Steam the moment it goes out of early access? I'd love to keep playing their games but would really not want to add a different game platform.
velvet tide
ask this question again in approximately a year and a half
its definitely on the plan but the moment is setting a timeframe thats really unknown right now
cyan hull
Oh, good old community-management stuff, answering same and same questions all over again, huh π
velvet tide
hfhjfjhfjhfhj modding has def opened my eyes to how repetitive certain questions can get
tall sleet
.....a year. And a half
Now im really tempted to get Hades now even though i wanted to wait for it to get on consoles lol
minor path
that's early access for ya! take s a while to get something as good as it can be
velvet tide
yeah console gonna be even longer im sure
tall sleet
Next time i get a spare $20 i'll get hades then
velvet tide
π
urban forum
I'm just chilling on Hades right now. Waiting for the steam release. Bunch of games coming out this year to keep me busy
cyan hull
As long as I'm working with the Unreal, there was nothing wrong with gettin hades in epic launcher. Glad price is lil bit more reasonable now tho. (don't ban me:D)
velvet tide
ban you? for saying you LIKE epic? oh no no no gjkgfjkf
cyan hull
No-no, It's about pricing, etc)
meager plume
how dare you have actual human reactions and opinions xD
oh wow apparently i "overpaid" like 3$ before the change but the regional before already seemed unreasonably cheaper for me for some reason wth xD
wind rose
and i overpaid like half the amount, but don't really mind π
now it's like 7$ in russia
meager plume
rip
wind rose
used to be 15 or so
meager plume
thats still not as bad
wind rose
so i must say GO SUPERGIANT! or something
yeah, it was like half of AAA price, but thought it's just an epic store thing you can't get around π
apparently it's not
good to know
cyan hull
anyway its sgg, I don't mind to buy it again on steam (or on 2nd acc) just for supportin )
sturdy oasis
id buy sgg products if they were ouya exclusive
rugged light
now thats dedication
void vine
what are the chances of getting hades on a switch release? we got hollow knight, is it too far a stretch?
minor path
i mean i imagine they might like to finish the game, first! after that, who knows?
meager plume
isnt bastion on switch?
they seem to be quite similar mechanically so there's probably a chance
void vine
I sure hope so
meager plume
it'll certainly take a while
minor path
honestly, the whole escape attempt mechanic lends itself really well to bursts of playing, so it'd be right at home on the switch if they opted to go that route
meager plume
imagine, someone tells you to 'go to hell' and u pull out ur switch and go 'k'
red lark
The Switch goes really well with rogue-likes. Well, except maybe for games like Faster than Light, with really long runs.
faint moth
Slay the spire can have some really long runs to and that's on the switch iirc
Heck lots of rogue-lites can have really long runs
mortal hawk
Hey guys do you know when the update is coming? like from now?
sturdy oasis
tomorrow afternoon!
mortal hawk
okay i see π thanks
faint moth
red lark
Most Slay the Spire runs are over in less than an hour. That's not really long.
crude star
Having his birthday the day when a new update for Hades comes out, isn't that really good?
faint moth
An hour is long for most rogue likes
And rougue lites
Because most the ganes we're talking about are rogue lites
red lark
An hour is pretty standard for a rogue lite. Wizard of Legend, Enter the Gungeon, Slay the Spire, Binding of Isaac, Into the Breach. Only shorter ones I've played were Nuclear Throne and Crypt of the Necrodancer.
faint moth
BoI can vary wildly, I've seen and experienced anywhere from 15 minutes to 1 hour and a half seeds
Much the same with the others you've mentioned
With the exception of necrodancer
Since the game forces you to keep moving
untold cove
Server's over 9000 now
faint moth
ayy, we can do the meme now :3
faint moth
white cave
It's over 9000?!
The number of people joining to ask when the update is out
distant spruce
hi, i fit this category
vale smelt
distant spruce
velvet tide
i wonder if even supergiant knows the exact time..............
velvet tide
HONESTLY I. GET THE IMPRESSION? THAT THEYLL BE RUSHING AROUND FIXING THINGS TILL THE LAST MOMENT..........
like "hhhhhhhh okay ONE more edit okay okay its do- okay ONE more edit"
minor path
it be like that sometimes
velvet tide
it really do
distant spruce
gotta respect that though
velvet tide
like. posting things u work hard on is just like that
minor path
i'm still laughing at the bit in developing hell where it's like "we're all playing the last build before we release early access and i WANNA CHANGE STUFF BUT I CAN'T >:C"
velvet tide
HGFHJFHJFHJ
minor path
like that's such a mood
velvet tide
when ur art gets reblogged but you see an edit u want to make
minor path
when your post gets popular but you made a typo
long jewel
If I like Hades a lot which other Supergiant game would you recommend me first?
velvet tide
Pyre feels emotionally the closest, transistor visually, and bastion playwise!
All depends on what youre looking for
stiff verge
Literally this ^
Pyre has the same massive cast, bastion the zippy gameplay, and transistor the sharp visuals
long jewel
Alright, thanks for info
meager plume
also pyre has the closest artstyle for the characters outside of gameplay
drowsy carbon
I hate early access. Supergiant, why do you make me actually enjoy early access; I had a good thing going ;_;
neon kayak
9k members...!
stiff cedar
Long time adorer here! Been around since the release of Transistor. β€
hardy pawn
Those patch notes look like the hottest of Hades' fires. Can't wait to play tonight!
misty prawn
neon kayak
hey same
chrome plume
I find real comfort to having Supergiant and other solid Indie developers bring us games with vision and care while the huge AAA gaming backlash happens. I do have AAA game series I love slowly die. But at least not all of my games will be desecrated.
neon kayak
There are only like 2 triple A games which I personally consider to be of comparable quality to a Supergiant game
And one of them is literally The Last of Us
faint moth
Resident Evil 2 Remake is looking like it's gonna be up there
the amount of detail in the demo is amazing
urban forum
I would put games like God of War and Red dead 2 up there. Both those games had heart and quality in spades.
red lark
Not fond of RDR2. World is great, camp feels alive and all. But the gameplay? It's uninteresting.
urban forum
That's unfortunate, I can't relate. I really enjoy the slow, deliberate combat. The controls took a min to get used to but really helpes with the overall theme of the game. Also Arthur is probably one of my favorite character from all of gaming, being higher than John too.
red lark
Arthur is indeed a great character. I love watching the game, but I know I'd hate to play it.
urban forum
I do respect Rockstar for going the direction that they did, they risked alienating a large group of players for their vision. I also understand why some people wouldn't like it but I'm happy they did it anyways. That's a quality that's usually attributes to indie devs so it's really a breath of fresh air to see bigger devs try something like that.
low hinge
Yo. What's up everyone? 
hearty gull
low hinge
With all this discussion going about. I am a big fan of this group I just wish I had more access to SG's other games 
But I can absolutely wait for Hades to be launched on other platforms.
I have only really played Bastion
urban forum
Noice
low hinge
I'm a Xbox dude who has dabbled in other consoles along the way. (PS2,PS3,PC, Nintendo 3DS and DS)
urban forum
The first SG game I've played was Bastion way back when it was released on the 360
Still my fav
urban forum
If anything, SG has consistently amazing OSTs
low hinge
Yus. And can I just say @rain zinc is a criminally underrated composer? This dude churns out so much good and different music.
I listen to the Soundtracks at work on my MP3. Helps keep me focused
urban forum
I wouldn't say underrated but more maybe unrecognized? Everyone I've talked to who knows his work always say he's amazing. But I get your meaning
His songs are always in my video game OST playlists
urban forum
Don't really know a lot of composers by names but I looked her up and she's been in tons of games I've played
So now I know her lol
low hinge
She composes the OST to my favorite franchise. Kingdom Hearts
urban forum
Haven't played any of the KH games but their soundtracks are bangers
low hinge
To put it simply. It's a collaboration between the beloved characters and movies of Disney and then the RPG goodness and story that Square Enix can make
It's been a series since 2001 or the beginning of the PS2 Golden Era as I like to call it
urban forum
I know what it is just never played them
urban forum
Yeah I've heard, have a friend who's really into it so I pretty much know most of it's news
low hinge
Alright.
urban forum
And one of my fav YouTubers did a 4 hour lecture on it's plot
low hinge
It's a pretty intricate story once you delve into it.
urban forum
Yeah, wasn't interested on the game but I loved the YouTuber so I'd watcher whatever he wants to talk about
We should more this convo to off topic tho
Before we get yelled at lol
low hinge
Yeah. I get it
Was anyone taken by suprise when the trailer for Hades dropped at TGAs
Initially I was like: Interesting setting
After seeing the SG logo: Holy bleep Is this what you guys have been doing after Pyre?!
meager plume
i wanted to scream but it was like 3 am
low hinge
It was just a shock to me. Of all the places to announce a game
meager plume
i just saw the skulls and the 'supergiant' and knew i was sold, internally screeching xD
ikr
low hinge
After seeing the whole trailer I was like: This is a cool Game and I need that music STAT.
meager plume
ive always loved greek myths so i was even more curious of their take
low hinge
As am I. I have a OC I made up some time back for the purpose of online Role-playing that was inspired by the Greek mythos
red lark
I may have found why Transistor is my least favourite game of SGG.
Rucks? Moustache.
Rukey? Moustache.
Hades? MOUSTACHE
tall sleet
some ppl in cloudbank have moustaches
red lark
Which ones? I don't remember any having one.
abstract carbon
Success!
red lark
(joking aside, was not really a fan of Transistor's gameplay... still a good game, with a great world, great soundtrack and great characters, but not my kind of game... Pyre is still your very best game to date in my opinion because not only was it a lot of fun, the way story influenced gameplay and gameplay influenced story helped a lot with making the story truly moving)
abstract carbon
Thank you for playing them!
red lark
You're very welcome, I'll continue playing them and will keep buying them as long as you make them 
Loved Pyre so much I bought 3 copies for friends, too 
fading narwhal
I have to play Pyre yet!!
Transistor was my favorite so far personally, I really enjoyed the strategy of combat. And the aesthetic is without contest.
Will definitely have to play Pyre in the near future. β€οΈ
I love so much how different each game is and how Supergiant really doesnβt shy away from striking out into new territory. Imo itβs paid off in a big way.
low hinge
Honestly it has and I like where Hades is going with their direction.
short knoll
The list of giants is big today
fast schooner
I bought the supergiant collection on steam what game should I start with?
untold cove
If you want classic supergiant, go Bastion
If you want really unique combat, go Transistor
If you want the longest story and most replayability of the three, go Pyre
sturdy oasis
Iβd argue Transistor has great replayability too but yeah
minor path
you can dance if you want to
you can leave your friends behind
cause your friends don't dance and if they don't dance well they're no friends of pyre
untold cove
Goddamn it Ven, your name is π₯
grave island
thank you i'm glad you appreciate it
i've been laughing at the ΟΞ±ΞΏΟ/house thing for a solid 24 hours
minor path
meanwhile, there's me, humming the music every time i see my own screenname
grave island
@untold cove
velvet tide
AAAAAAAAA
untold cove
By the Scribes, what have you done
willow pasture
I've found transistor to be more replayable than pyre, tbh. To each their own
grave island
the Rites can get a little repetitive, especially once you know what you're doing, which limits the replayability of the gameplay segments, so the desire to see different combos of characters through to the end is where most of the replayability comes from
or you can use the difficulty modifiers to make the Rites more challenging...but I know I rarely did lol
untold cove
But, that's a big part of where the replayability comes from!
Any game could get stale once you know what you're doing, but the challenge is to set the odds against yourself and see if you still stack up
But yeah, primarily, there's a lot of story in Pyre that you couldn't possibly see the first time through
red lark
I can tell you, True Nightwing with all Titan Stars active at all times will make you cry blood.
Lost nearly half the Rites.
untold cove
Oh, yeah, True Nightwing with all Titan Stars is the cure to thinking the Rites are a little repetitive
willow pasture
All limiters transistor has the same effect
untold cove
True, but its still fundamentally the same story
Losing Rites, on the other hand, will change things
Nonspoiler channel, saying that (β) is OK, yeah?
grave island
kgjdfg yes it's fine
pallid willow
I headcanon Chaos as non-binary don't @ me on this
velvet tide
so does supergiant
i have some amazing news for you abt chaos's in text pronouns
wait sorry if that sounded sarcastic im genuinely like YEAH GO YOU THEY RLY ARE
grave island
yeah!!!!!
pallid willow
They did not have to do that, and they did anyway
grave island
most of the mods all changed our icons to chaos in some form π the chaos update?? more like the chaos revolution
pallid willow
Viva la Chaos
red lark
Freaking jeuxvideo.com making a top 10 video about the best video game songs but not putting any Supergiant game in there 
stone relic
They are objectively wrong of course
knotty dust
rugged light
It is not
humble rapids
I see
faint moth
Afaik
faint moth
The only supergiant game that has multiplayer (local only) is pyre
untold cove
This is mostly true - there are those who play Pyre versus mode online with eachother
You do need a (free) 3rd-party software to do it though
red lark
You mean Parsec?
faint moth
They do mean parsec
red lark
My CPU is not advanced enough to host with Parsec :'(
untold cove
There are a number of us on my server who can host you, if you're interested
I posted the link in #self-promotion a while back
reef pine
@cursive galleon Be sure to give out onions to those who don't have their questions answered
cursive galleon
Such cruelty!
river ember
where do we go to ask question?
cursive galleon
It'll be in #ask-supergiant!! We'll post an announcement in a bit!
valid coral
Judging by the onion focus, Hades is both a reference to hallowed Shrek lore as well as hallowed Olympian lore. Glorious
half narwhal
i was typign up a really good question and then got a call coming in at work and just missed the ability to send enter as the channel closed π π π
valid coral
RIP friend π¦
twilit lily
o_o I wanted to ask about an art book...
uneven fox
how to get rights to ask questions in #ask-supergiant
velvet tide
The ama is over!
drifting trellis
missed the time period
grand spire
Is it really an AMA when the questions are to a game developer about their game that they are developing? π
lofty anchor
Random question is Hades going to be on steam in the near future or are they exclusive to epic store?
sturdy oasis
important question: white or wheat for pb and j
next down
what philosophies did you pull from to-
Also hades will be on epic for as long as itβs in early access, I believe
stone relic
I swear someone asks that every week
grand spire
@lofty anchor pyre is available for both GoG and and Steam so I do not see why they would not put it on Steam when it finally releases. That way Epic can get their benefit of people buying from them during the EA period, and SG get theirs by having their game available to whatever system people want to use. It is a win/win that SG would be silly /not/ to employ.
So that is a whole year of exclusivity for Epic which is nothing to sneeze at
lofty anchor
@sturdy oasis @grand spire Thanks for the answers guys 
sturdy oasis
it can be a hassle to download a new launcher but epic's storefront is really good for content creators which is great
lyric mango
Hey everyone! I just saw Hades on GMTK and it looks great! I want to add it to my steam wishlist but it's only available on the supergiant website at the moment. I totally understand why - negative reviews from a beta version of the game can really harm sales, but I was wondering what people would recommend for keeping up-to-date with the game's launch. It looks great and I don't want it to slip through my radar!
Is there like, an email prompt I can subscribe to or should I just intermittently check the discord for when I can add it?
ripe salmon
im sure they have a newsletter
untold cove
Yeah, they call it the "Supergiant Blast"
I'd imagine it's how most people found this server
Sign up on their website @lyric mango
urban wagon
Its a good newsletter. Only newsletter i ever read
lyric mango
Signed up!
white cave
Still hearts to unlock in further content updates, so... yes?
neon kayak
well like what ever is planned i want more
i feel its not enough
not to be mean or greedy
bright whale
Ten thousand members! π
winter mango
Has SGG ever made a formal statement regarding sequels? And whether they're likely to go back to any of their worlds?
grave island
Their general stance, I believe, is that while they love all of the worlds they've created, they'd generally prefer to make new projects than return to old ones, and don't currently have plans for any sequels.
They consider the stories in all of their games to be complete.
willow pasture
they also did say that the egg from hades contains all of transistor, π€
olive hull
WH
white cave
Greg said it, so it must be canon
olive hull
when
white cave
In the AMA
olive hull
lmao
willow pasture
one of the ask-supergiant answers
white cave
Or rather Ask Supergiant
willow pasture
in the most recent set
olive hull
ah I missed that I wasnβt here for like a week lol
white cave
olive hull
I should rlly backread it.......... eventually. Itβs not going away
Rip, doesnβt work on mobile :(
grave island
it was a joke π
white cave
Really? That's weird, I thought for sure I'd done it on mobile before... Must be mistaken, though
willow pasture
when has greg ever told a joke
white cave
Cloudbank, duh```maybe he was joking about not making sequels
olive hull
itβs fine tho
lol I figured ven, I just didnβt know when Greg said it before now djbfjf
willow pasture
cloudbank also has merchandise from bastion, so the only game not in the expanded universe is pyre
grave island
pyre is part of the hades extended universe
red lark
The Downside is what remains of Hell after Zagreus escaped and sparked a war.
velvet tide
game theory counter: hes cha-ron
faint tusk
heck
crystal charm
Here its coming I super love Supergiant games was able to buy Hades and its crazy mad awesome work again and best thing is its getting better
red sierra
In your opinion what makes the graphic style of SGG (I don t know if I m clear enough)
velvet tide
lachoette im still thinking abt "downside is hell once zags done with it" and thats SO raw i love it
banging your head against the wall until you set a wheel in motion
boreal crypt
@red sierra the same thing that makes TF2's style good
Cartoony but not overboard which gives it the everfresh feel
velvet tide
i feel like another thing that makes it is like motifs and decorations everywhere
boreal crypt
Also the fact that the art itself is, put plainly, extremely good
It's not easy to pull off without looking pretentious
stone relic
Not just motifs and decorations everywhere, but really tasteful ones too
Attention to detail without going overboard
minor drift
I feel like there's something pretty distinct about how Jen draws characters but I don't art, I can't put my finger on it
grave island
hot
minor drift
nailed it
grave island
jen zee understands what the people want
but on a more serious note i'd say a huge part of sgg's art style is the atmosphere like, there's a handful of lighting effects that they've used pretty consistently across their games that i think i've started to associate with them
i'm not an artist either so i can't, you know, say exactly what those are called or what they look like but even in the brighter, cheerier parts of their games, the lighting can almost always be described as "dramatic"
the isometric layout is something most of their games have had, pyre being the notable exception
saturated color palettes
a lot of atmospheric indies tend to go with more washed-out or pastel color schemes but sgg always goes hog on bright, rich colors
frigid agate
If I may add?
grave island
please!
frigid agate
SGG has this "visual weight" I have a hard time explaining unless you've seen it.
A lot of other work doesn't convey depth or mass to the same extent, if at all.
They feel flat when compared to SSG's style.
That's not necessarily a mark against them, but it's the difference between looking at a painting vs looking at a bas-relief, if that analogy makes any sense.
Maybe a better analogy would be: the difference between "popping off the page" vs "drawing you into the scene?"
I give up. All I can say is that there's something about the art that makes everything in the games more "present" which goes a long way to: 1) making everyone feel more "real," and 2) helps with my immersion.
Part of that is the colors and lighting, but there are other things at play I haven't yet put my finger on. Those are things that can't be copied and be expected to work.
stone relic
Can't believe i didn't think of lighting and colour. Much shame
umbral spindle
#supergiant-games hey anyone want to play some jackbox w/ me and other server members? the code is WEHR
minor drift
why is it giving me the "press when everybody's joined" button
white cave
I'm in to play, but this is better suited to #off-topic-discussion π
stone relic
The first person to join the lobby gets to press the start button
somber summit
Is the Q&A still active? if so, how would you get onto it?
minor path
no longer active! you'll have to wait for the next one, whenever they decide to have one
somber summit
OK thanks.
polar jay
Im the only one that just got a few euros back from Epic Games fromt he Hades purchase?
eager mirage
No you are not the only one.
polar jay
Is there info about it?
red lark
It's due to regional pricing differences that got put in place after a lot of us already bought the game. If you go to the store, you should see that Hades only costs 17.49β¬, and since you bought it for 19.99β¬, you got 2.50β¬ back. We don't know if the decision has been taken by SGG or by Epic, but in any case, it's a nice gesture.
next forge
meanwhile Metro Exodus is 50$ and 60β¬ lol
polar jay
Oh thats a really nice touch. thanks for letting me know
compact halo
Hey devs, is it true that Epic will foot the bill if Hades fails to sell its projected amount of sales on the Epic Game Store?
willow pasture
Where'd you read that?
compact halo
both resetera and reddit had rumors floating around that this was the case for Metro Exodus
velvet tide
is hades failing tho π€
compact halo
hence the if
velvet tide
ohhh
brave marlin
Without a solid source for that, it's not much more than baseless gossip.
clever helm
So I opened my steam library today and all three SG games that are available on that platform have an update queued. What's that about?
grave island
Sounds like Steam in general has been queueing a lot of updates for their games
People were talking about it in #off-topic-discussion
clever helm
Yeah that appears to be correct
Lots of updates for other games today, too
tranquil lintel
I ordered a Bastion shirt this weekend but have not received a ship confirmation, should I be concerned?
grave island
@atomic flicker
grave island
Confirmations are usually automatic.
velvet tide
ohhhhh
grave island
Oh wait a SHIPPING confirmation
Yeah @tranquil lintel that probably hasn't shipped yet
grave island
I mean it has been a few days
velvet tide
has it?
OH its wednesday okay jhfvhjfjfhj
grave island
But SGG's a small office and their turnaround isn't usually that fast
atomic flicker
Hello! I usually get to ship orders one or two days a week, and we try to get them out within five business days of the initial order. So definitely no cause for alarm. π
tranquil lintel
Ok, thanks! It wasn't so much concern as sheer anticipation π
atomic flicker
Shirt excitement! I completely understand. π
neon kayak
Hi uh, i think i just discovered a Korean drama that plagiarized your song "water wall" https://www.viki.com/videos/1133755v-whats-wrong-with-secretary-kim-episode-3?utm_campaign=video_share&utm_source=unified&utm_medium=share_button_android&utm_term=1133755v&utm_content=social-post it starts around 28 minutes.... Idk if it Matters but i just thought they sounded* very very similar
rancid relic
Hey caitlyn is your pfp San reigal
sturdy oasis
Good ol Rieg (thatβs his totally real nickname)
lone pollen
they dont sound the same at all it's just the accordion
i cant believe ive been goaded into watching kdrama
dense sun
no everyone who bought in for 20 bucks got something back
neon kayak
Wow they're all online
sturdy oasis
it signifies the end times, apocalypse is now
untold cove
I've seen more
This is only 12 of the 16
I think I've seen 13 online at a time before
clear merlin
so...Hades would be great on my Switch, alongside Bastion and Transistor. I bought both those games on Steam, on my PS4, and now my Switch. I'm still waiting on a Pyre port. Also, I know LRG had a Bastion physical release on the PS4. Any chance I'll be able to get the Supergiant library in physical release on the Switch? I will buy all of your games, yet again. They're all masterpieces! 
grave island
The Supergiant team currently has their hands pretty full working on Hades; I wouldn't expect any more ports until Hades is finished, and I highly doubt that Switch is going to be one of Hades' release platforms.
clear merlin
@grave island why is that? indie games do phenomenally well on the switch, as for physical releases of transistor and bastion on the switch, they could contact a company like limited run or super rare and they do the work of getting physical for you
velvet tide
They do! However, Supergiant is a small team, and seems to be directing all energy to Hades right now.
clear merlin
@velvet tide fair, enough; can't fault me for wanting to buy them games yet, again, though right? I just love them all so much!
next forge
I agree Supergiant should consider to ask other studios to make their release on switch, Pyre isnt on switch either which is a shame
grave island
SGG isn't exactly the outsourcing type...
And that doesn't change the fact that getting a port done requires resources
Even if SGG was willing to cede direct control over the quality of the product, which I don't think they'd do, they'd then have to pay the other studio to do that work
It's just not a priority right now. All time and resources are going into Hades, because that's what they wanted to work on, and especially now that they've started the early access process it's unlikely that anything is going to be diverted from this dev cycle into ports of a game that's already out on several storefronts and platforms
neon kayak
You don't wanna start porting too early unless it's super super important for the release model, because there's a chance the underlying tech might have to change midway through development, and a lot of work on a port could need to be redone.
velvet tide
true!!
neon kayak
hello the creators of hades i love your games
meager phoenix
Yes, porting early access is pointless. But if supergiant ever decides to outsource to Panic Button, I believe even SSG won't have any reason to complain about quality of the port. If anything, panic button might help optimizing the core game code, like it was with Warframe.
red sierra
For a school work I have to do a video. I want to do something like a trailer of Hades. Do I have the right to use images and music of the game ?
grave island
I think the general rule is that as long as you aren't using it for profit or claiming that you made the music and images, it's fine
red sierra
That s what I was thinking
tranquil lintel
Depends. I once emailed Steve Jackson about this (using Munchkin assets for educational purposes) when I was in college and he explained it was super murky and suggested I not do that because lawyers and such. Problem is that some schools claim rights to student work(turns out mine did) and thus you could be working on something on behalf of the school, which would be claiming ownership of your work. If you are in high school it might not be a problem. I would get verification from SG just in case, imo.
frigid agate
Not a lot of new people joining the server these days...
velvet tide
give it about 24 hours
olive hull
haha yeahh
atomic flicker
Thank you for bringing it up @frigid agate !! It seemed strange we hadn't had anyone since last month, and we actually found a bot issue! Hopefully your waving will be able to continue soon. π
red sierra
@atomic flicker Please can you answer the question I asked yesterday on this channel ?
tight night
was there a time announced of when the patch will go live today ?
if eel like there was but I cant find it
tight night
alright, might have been for another thjing then
idk for me it's 4pm already, gotta look up the timezones ^^
velvet tide
pst
minor path
we're whispering again
velvet tide
hjgfhjfhjfhj
tight night
sdhasud XD
velvet tide
california time
tight night
alright. thats 9 hours diference for me then
tired tree
Any news about steam release?
urban forum
Possibly after EA
olive hull
check #hades-faq !
urban forum
Which is what I'm waiting for cuz really don't like the Epic Games store
wise yoke
What's wrong with the Epic Games Store?
frigid agate
The simplest, and least controversial answer is that people don't want to download yet another hub for games
wise yoke
While that makes sense, I think it is a good thing that Steam is getting some competition for once - and while I don't know all the details regarding why Supergiant chose Epic Games instead of Steam to launch Early Access on, Epic Games, as a platform, is not that bad. Maybe I just feel that way because they gave me Subnautica though.
And, Epic Games gives more money to the game developers, or so I've read.
π
I dunno, I don't dislike Epic Games. They are even bringing Journey to PC, something I didn't think would ever happen.
They're?
frigid agate
I haven't really heard anyone say that Steam shouldn't have competition, but there have been other things
frigid agate
There have been questions about the legality of some of the fine print (though I don't know enough to comment on that), the return policy wasn't great last I checked (though apparently it's been changed to match the Steam store's policy), I think there was a security issue (breach?) not that long ago, it's missing features that people want for a game hub, and there's talk about exclusivity deals (which has been annoying people because the product is not "mature" yet).
But those are mostly growing pains for any new product
I'm reserving judgement for later
frigid agate
The dev for Goat Simulator will be making their next game exclusive to EpicGames
and there are a few others
wise yoke
How is that an issue?
frigid agate
but I think that's the most well-known one
wise yoke
Gotcha.
frigid agate
Depends on who you ask
frigid agate
sure, lol
One argument, is that people don't like exclusivity deals on the PC platform. Some people don't invest in consoles or console gaming because of that.
There've been complaints about having certain franchises locked to different launchers, which is understandably annoying
wise yoke
Yeah, that makes sense.
But at least unlike consoles, if a game is platform exclusive, you don't need to buy an entire new system to enjoy it.
frigid agate
Yeah
wise yoke
Personally, the only game launcher that bothers me is the Battle.net launcher. And that's only because their games are rarely on sale.
Epic Games has (honestly) bribed me by using popular, interesting games, and then making them free.
I now own two games I wanted, but wasn't likely to ever buy - Axiom Verge, and Subnautica, and Epic Games has a better game developer policy than the current leader - Steam. (Or at least as far as I know.)
Point is, Epic Games, in my book, is epic.
Also Origin sucks.
frigid agate
Ugh, Origin
wise yoke
...Right?
frigid agate
It was enough of a nuisance that I dropped a few games I enjoyed in order to not deal with it
wise yoke
Which ones? Personally, I've only played Titanfall 2 and Apex Legends off of Origin.
frigid agate
Dragon Age
wise yoke
Ah, cool.
frigid agate
I hear it's better now, but I don't care enough to go back. Though to be fair, I got tired of the number of launchers/hubs I used and culled them at around that time.
I imagine some of the irritation with EpicGames was due to a similar kind of too-many-game-libraries-launchers-related exhaustion
wise yoke
Probably.
olive hull
guys, im very late to this, but please take epic store discussions to #off-topic-discussion if they dont have anything to do with supergiant
frigid agate
The other two things I can think of being a nuisance are modding policies and trying to get all of your friends to migrate as well
Sorry!
wise yoke
My bad.
hasty gale
Yβall are fine, weβre just pointing you to the right place to keep things orderly! π
wise yoke
π
neon kayak
Hey, I must be misunderstanding something :) Where are we supposed to post our feedback on hades? #hades-feedback is restricted for me.
grave island
Read the pinned post in #hades-feedback
neon kayak
Thank you very much :)