Mmhm, will try that, thank you
#pyre
tall lantern
tall lantern
Lmao, bot vs bot is just sniper fiesta
stoic junco
Coolguy’s got it. Those three talismans are pretty essential on TN
Remind me what they do, please?
vestal bluff
Lanthorn: %Chance to bring back a teammate when you banish an opponent (can be upgraded to 100%, so you’ll always get someone back)
Prayer Beads: %chance to return next round if you plunged into the opponent’s Pyre (can be upgraded to 100%, so that character will have no disadvantage to dive-scoring)
Star Splinter: %Increase throwing charge-up speed (can be upgraded to +80%, which lets basically anyone throw at max range in the blink of an eye)
stoic junco
... These are indeed immensely effective in TN mode. If only I knew.
stray jolt
she does something unique
tall lantern
like?
vestal bluff
She (and similar - Gilman and Udmildhe are also this way) leaves a trail behind her as she moves
muted pebble
Also Pam goes woosh
vestal bluff
Instead of the aura sticking exactly to where she is
grim tusk
It also means it can’t be increased iirc
jagged pebble
yea if you give her thorned knot and the aura ballast ability it’s basically makes the cast bigger
vestal bluff
The radius doesn’t increase for those three (Crones, Harps, Wyrms) but if you give them more Presence, their trail length gets longer
And yeah Thorned Knot is great with Gilman’s Slash (double so with Greater Cleave) or with Pam’s Fell Swoop
torpid niche
If Pyre characters lived in modern times... Who do you think would be famous on social networks?
I bet Pamitha would have a Twitch channel and play a lot of FFXIV
timid silo
I can see basically all of them carving their own niche if they wanted to 🤔 up to and including Falcon Ron
perks of a charismatic cast I guess
mild falcon
now i wanna hear udmildhe do a podcast
timid silo
she'd find her audience for sure. Partly ironic, partly... not.
torpid niche
Uldmildhe would have a conspiracy channel on YouTube for sure xD
And Falcon Ron would do life hacks
timid silo
Cooking channel for Hedwyn, and he easily becomes famous thanks to his charming personality
torpid niche
YES
Jodi would have a self-defense tips Instagram account, her fans calling her the muscle mom
timid silo
Counterculture podcast for pre-game Volfred. Obvs if we're considering an AU of the postgame liberated crowd they're all very visible public figures
torpid niche
True
timid silo
Like yeah The Actual Government tends to have a following on social media on way or another 
torpid niche
I see Volfred as someone who would make a coffee making channel or something like that, very exquisite and perfectionist
Near the city I live in there's a village which mayor has Twitter and became mildly famous, and now the village has a Twitter statue xD
timid silo
he's a history professor other than a bibliophile and a revolutionary twice over, there's a vast choice of topics for him!
torpid niche
Right! Volfred's like the perfect man I wish I could hug him
timid silo
same...
torpid niche
You can't hug the Volfred in Supergiant Games's Pyre
timid silo
😂 I'm a fanartist I do what I want
stoic junco
I remember reading one fanfic about Pyre, and it had Volfred die.
When Tariq began singing a parting song, which was not specified, I immediately thought about Lament of Orpheus as the closest one to that.
timid silo
I think I've read it too 😭 my fave ones are the ones about his arrival in the Downside - Oralech saving his life, Ti'zo biting him and all.
small zinc
Finally got to play the game, finished my first playthrough. Absolutely amazing, but I did absolutely terrible in the liberation rites, made terrible picks both from lore and gameplay standpoint, lost four of them, including the last one. And now I feel pretty guilty about it, the epilogue made me feel that everyone is more or less peace with where they ended up being in the end, but I feel guilty for separating the group in perhaps not the most fortunate way (Tamitha got out, Pamitha stayed; Fae got out but Jodi stayed... well, she was the first pick and tbh I had no idea that the two were close, then I didn't manage to get Jodi out; Hedwin got out but didn't get his wish cause Jodi and Reader stayed)... The burden of the one who has to decide. But it's kinda ironic, in that motivational speech I chose the "Our spirits cannot be separated by mere distance" line, tbh I had no idea what to pick so I went with that, wasn't too happy with it later, but now I'm beginning to realize that it was the perfect line for me (and for my rite performance hah). It feels that the first playthrough is the "real" one, I guess I'm yet to come to peace with the outcome. But one thing I can't complain about, that's getting the orb.
Uh, just rambling and accidentally hit send before having a second thought whether to actually send it whoops
small aspen
i always want to hear when someone takes the sandra ball
small zinc
Absolutely yes, I see a green ball, I take it, no questions needed 😂 . Very happy about being allowed to make that choice, it would be pretty bad to leave her with no hope. Even the exile that was forever wasn't truly forever.
coral turret
I saw someone say in a modern au falcon Ron would have a life hack channel and I want to clarify I think he would have the kind that play random and jarring tracks (sometimes sped up and layered over multiple songs) while demonstrating absolute nonsense like just a shaky, very low res video filmed on a 2002 blackberry of his hand smashing eggs on a counter with an unintelligible voiceover as he explains...something
timid silo
Yes yes he would
coral turret
Tizo and gae would watch it and understand
small aspen
so like how to basic or something?
timid silo
Oralech'e entire technological involvement is owning a Nokia 3310
torpid niche
"Oh sure I'll write it on my PDA"
coral turret
How to basic but earnest and no irony whatsoever plus the added mania of Russian life hack videos showing you how to use gasoline and styrofoam to make a party a little more. Lively
I think gilman would be really into that side of YouTube where guys with beards make their own swords and be really heartbroken he didn’t have hands with which to try doing it on his own. Also the lack of hands would translate into hours of YouTube auto play and recommendations slowly morphing the sword and axe videos to like those insane Elsa and Spider-Man surgery children videos and he would just
Consume all the content with the same wild abandon unless someone helped him
timid silo
I kind of really need this AU now
Poor Gilman though! He can make videos where he does things real fast?
coral turret
Rukey holding a camera in his mouth(?) Not even correctly facing gilman and going (muffled) “ok chum. Ready when you are!” And gilman like. Has a basket ball balanced on his head and is set before some sort of really convoluted obstacle course made up of like, just a hula hoop on the ground, maybe a upside down laundry basket, a giant teddy bear. And it’s very unclear what he’s going to attempt but whatever it is he just does it really stupid fast and rukey doesn’t catch any of it on film so he has to do it like four times over
And then they upload the result to tiktok and it gets one view (from rukey. Maybe the reader) and gilman is ecstatic nonetheless
grim tusk
Alrighty then
timid silo
tfw you make it to the end of a game that has multiple choices pertaining to multiple characters, the credits song has lyrics... and they don't change based on your choices. I shouldn't have felt a little disappointed, but Pyre set a standard here 😂
lime mural
That kind of attention to detail is why I want a AAA Supergiant game.
small zinc
Just a question, was there any way to raise the difficulty of the practice rites? Far too often I steamrolled the Beyonders only to get destroyed in an actual rite... I guess they were good enough to test new stuff but not for learning how to play more effectively. I would almost say the Beyonders didn't do such a good job. but for Sandra's sake I would totally say they did
stoic junco
Were they difficult on the higher difficulties?
... I don't think so...
vestal bluff
I don’t think so
Sandra’s crew never gains Masteries or Talismans so they get outclassed pretty badly over time
spark moon
Plus they're already imprisoned for eternity so why try
small zinc
I see, that's unfortunate. I never really learnt to cooperate the three. After finishing I put CPU vs CPU both lvl 5 and watched in awe what they did. Of course CPU has an easier time switching x)
timid silo
Watching capable human players on Sunday is the best :] did you try training in vs mode? If Sandra can't help...
small zinc
Sunday? Some kind of stream or event going on? Anyway, yeah, tried that too after I finished my first playthrough.
Honestly, I found it kinda ironic when I was mentoring an exile about some deep aspect of the rites, meanwhile I wasn't able to properly use half of the abilities and relied mainly on banishing as many as possible and then outmaneuvering the rest x)
spark moon
Oh we have a Rite Nite on sundays where people can suggest certain conditions like which exiles we use. There's some pretty skilled players there
timid silo
It's promo'd each Sunday in this channel, keep an eye out! 🙂
small zinc
I see 👀 . Didn't know about that. Honestly, I might try to figure stuff on my own first, I'm just slow at that. But thanks nevertheless!
spark moon
There's no pressure to play right away if you just want to observe plus we've got a discord if you ever want some more help with builds and strategy
small zinc
No I mean, I'm afraid the game would lose its magic to me if I started looking up strategies and stuff. Can't really explain why, just my gut feeling x). And I feel like exploring it on my own first. But I will keep it in mind 😃
spark moon
OKay
stoic junco
It still felt amazing watching Oralech jumping toward someone, switching to the Savage and begin sprinting, while Oralech with now existent Aura landed, stunned and/or banished those he landed next to. This is a high-skill an AI play.
unborn copper
Creating a Path of Exile character based on Oralech! Check it out at https://www.twitch.tv/lidsvids
timid silo
Please post pics when you're done? 👀
stoic junco
Ditto
unborn copper
^Got about halfway through, we're making progress https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92ky0nKKehA
But also, Pyre Community Rite Nite (multiplayer Pyre) starts in less than 1 hour!
Watch at https://www.twitch.tv/lidsvids and/or join the Rite Club server (https://discord.gg/XHTtNGe) to get involved!
unborn copper
^Live now!
wild grail
hey wait a minute
I apparently heard that you can fight Ashpaw again even if he wins a Liberation Rite, because he gets immediately exiled again. Is this true?
timid silo
that'd be the funniest little touch if true
stoic junco
But... Which triumvirate shall he join?
wild grail
The comment I heard it from would be the Dissidents...if it holds true
Pft, not that I mean anything bad by it, but I don’t think he’d stoop to any other triumvirate any time soon.
timid silo
He wouldn't disrespect his teammates like that.
“Mates... the honor has been mine, and genuine.”
wild grail
Ah. Hm. I suppose that's p fair enough.
jovial sparrow
Why was Tariq exiled?
timid silo
Tariq and Celeste were created and/ summoned in the Downside
jovial sparrow
Ohhhh ok
small zinc
Exiled before birth for superior singing skills obviously. Noone can sing better than the Archjustice.
timid silo
alternatively:
- being too pretty
- reading sheet music
jagged pebble
bruh he plays guitar
he doesn’t know how read anything music related
pastel echo
but why are you posting it here
young folio
please post this in #video-games instead, @forest girder
stoic junco
Well. That happened.
small zinc
Funny how I had originally said about my first playthrough that "one thing I don't regret is getting that Sandra ball". I don't know how it went completely over my mind the first time, but after a couple of convos she basically tells you that she abuses your good will to talk with her to read your entire mind for her own entertainment without your consent and feels 0 remorse for doing so. And kind of implies that it's the #1 reason why most began to avoid her. She whines about being bored and alone and yet she keeps treating everyone like trash, one way or the other. I think she's staying in the wagon next time 👀 .
mild falcon
damn thats a real hot take round these parts
dunno if you're trapped and lonely for a hundred years you really stop trying to make friends and just have the fun you can
and anyway the reader reads people's minds without consent basically by accident
...the reason she gets left behind by all the other people who escape is because she's a useful tool for the ones left behind
not because she was mean or whatever
there are maybe some interesting parallels between sandra and the reader in that they are popular because they are useful?
I'm burnt out on essays rn tho
pastel echo
it's just kind of too harsh of a punishment
you had eight scribes who were all about earning your redemption and freedom
but they put her in a ball for how many...800+ years?
Admittedly, she was sent to kill Solian Murr, but so was Gol.
mild falcon
"yeah i think people should be able to prove that they're good people, except for when they try to kill my boyfwend"
pastel echo
lol
it just makes me wonder how much of story of sccribes is correct
or honest
to be more precise
mild falcon
yeah somehow she was left out of that book hmmmmgh
the scribes are a bunch of rude wizards who decided it would be cool and epic to be martyrs
"Aha 😳 what if we kissed 😳 and sacrificed our lives to free future sinners but only if they believe in us hard enough and are good at sports"
pastel echo
mild falcon
Sorry but Mr. Ashpaws was right about everything
forest girder
She has been so long in the ball she has passed the five stages of grief to reach a sixth one: boredom
timid silo
A thing about imprisonment is, it doesn't do wonders for your personality. Ditto getting close to generations of readers and being left behind every time - you put up your barriers before letting in people
Also heck yeah Barker. Idk what he said specifically about this topic but 👏 in general
pastel echo
I mean there is imprisionment
like in prison, where you are limited to where you can go or what you can do
then there is imprisonment in a small magical ball, where you sit in complete darkness without anything
forest girder
It's actually not darkness and she had her partners
pastel echo
well yea, who they got to hate after a while, like submarine sickness is real
but afaik, she was just sitting in darkness mostly, unless in match
that's how some descriptions of the crystal were anyway
timid silo
I'm intrigued by how she could seemingly detect some sort of movement of the Blackwagon? Like when she goes "ah yes, Sea of Solis, thought so"
No particular bearing on the discussion about her imprisonment nor personality, just a detail that makes me go "?" and that may be relevant to ficwriting
pastel echo
well I assume it can influence/feel surroundings
the crystal does call you out
for specific trial rites as well
torn bolt
now tbf sandra and the remaining beyonders did repeatedly try to kill the scribes, instead of defecting as others seem to have
still a bit harsh tho
forest girder
Well, the bizarre thing is that they forgave the TRUE culprit behind their actions
But not the literal brainwashed child slaves
pastel echo
I guess it still kind of goes with the themes of "life still goes on"
timid silo
"great historical figures are still people and people are gonna be hideous at times" too
torn bolt
DID they forgive khaylmer? or did lu sclorian notable pacifist forgive khaylmer
lu sclorian: we in fact forgave him :)
gol golathanian in the first chapter: i wish i had killed that guy myself
timid silo
Or did they cancel him. "what happened in that isle? Dunno dun care"
timid silo
suffocating, even
pastel echo
yea that kinda does support that account of scribes might not be exactly reliable
forest girder
Lu sclorian: Writing we forgive you, Khaylmer
Gol: What the heck you talking about? You now what that arse did to us
Lu Sclorian: Shut up, my chapter, my rules
small aspen
wait wasn't the beyonder banishment also a bit of a rush job?
i seem to remember something about that
small aspen
not from a dev perspective, i mean the scribes did the thing in a hurry
i thought it was mentioned in one of the convos with Sandra
or the book
pastel echo
could be, admittetly, I finished 2nd playthrough 2 days ago, though I took a break in middle of it
so I might not remember it perfectly
but it does feel like too harsh punishment either way
I might be biased though cuz I liked her a lot as a character
hehe
timid silo
Definitely too harsh
small aspen
agree
i feel like it would make a lot of sense if they hit the panic button when she attacked and then after they'd be like whoops that was a bit much
timid silo
There's an interesting chronology there though, because the Sisters first attack Soliam reeeeeally early on, that's how he meets Ha'ub, but they get orb'd at Alodiel...
torn bolt
i thought it was that they followed them across the downside attacking multiple times
and that it was at alodiel that they finally lost the confrontation
vestal bluff
I hadn’t realized the location of the orbifying was actually given
timid silo
I hadn't thought of that before our recent chat and that makes perfect sense to me. At any rate the dilated timeline of their confrontation makes a rushed panicked decision less likely.
jagged pebble
wait
it is?
timid silo
Yeah, Sandra says so in her convo when you reach Mt Alodiel for the first time. I saw it last week and did a double take
vestal bluff
Huh
timid silo
One could say it was the most likely timing anyway because you have to be pretty damn eldritch to be able to orb people like that, and the Scribes weren't that OP at the beginning of their journey... but yeah.
vestal bluff
Yeah, they’d’ve had to have met Milithe so the sorcery of orbification could be performed by an actual sorceress
timid silo
indeed. And I suspect that defeating Yslach got her a nice boost
stoic junco
Added positive karma.
vestal bluff
The Scribes gained enough XP from killing all those Titans to cast “Imprisonment”
stoic junco
I don't quite get the reference.
vestal bluff
D and D
stoic junco
Ah
That's why. I never played D&D.
My closest thing to that was a oneshot on FATE Core over Skype.
coral turret
Is it ever explained why Sandra just can’t always be talking to the reader? Like during the game I know she pulls away at some point, trying to protect herself but even after that why can she just always be chatting with them? I wonder if she’d become bored with them and what she would do when they inevitably pass away
I always felt obligated as a reader to stay in the downside and also to keep Sandra with me JUST IN CASE the rites every start up again; I didn’t wanna be responsible for taking the orb to the commonwealth and making it inaccessible! Even if I don’t she and her team should have to be trapped and suffer. She’s going to anyways so might as well leave the orb in a place where others can perhaps find it and well. Keep her company so to speak, in the case I die! Also why was Sandra at the forefront of the orb and not the others? De facto leader status? Not questions I genuinely want answered just things I’m curious about
pastel echo
Apparently, she has some other duties?
That's what you get as a hover text, if you don't have available dialogue.
small zinc
@mild falcon You made some fair points. But sometimes I wonder whether I really do like her character if I constantly have to make up excuses for her behaviour because of assassin training or orb prison... you only see what you want to see.
That mind reading conversation, it doesn't really bother me that she reads your mind and can't help herself, but that she sounds like an "insane girlfriend" when she talks about it... it does not exactly sound like she tells you because she's figured out you deserve honesty and a choice whether you accept it... perhaps more like a weird way of showing that she cares. And just like about anything it can be explained by 843 years in the ball and not her being a horrible person.
Why do I even care, it's a fictional character. I guess launching Pyre because I was feeling terribly lonely IRL and I was hoping a game about a band of friends would fix it wasn't a good idea 😅
@coral turret iirc the ball has to allow her to chat... it apparently acts on its own too
coral turret
Huh interesting. Yknow while it may not be right I have to agree I allow her a few passes bc of how bad her circumstances are
pastel echo
that is an interesting point of view 🤔
split hearth
I just finished pyre for the first time. amazing. the pace, story, and characters were perfect. thanks supergiant. please release a limited run ps4 physical edition and take more of my money.
pastel echo
Probably won't pay for itself.
Pyre did rather badly.
Which is nigh criminal, but it is what it is.
pastel echo
I was bit lukewarm about it at first myself, but I think the game was too lenient.
Difficulty-wise.
The standard difficulty with no Titan stars is very simple to cheesy and you can keep doing the same thing over and ove.r
But the gameplay really shines on higher difficulty, where you have to minmax and try to play more tactically as well tossing the orb to opponent to banish him and so on.
And AI to match that.
jagged pebble
see
i’m too much of an idiot to come up with a strategy
i just do haha demon go brrrr and score
pastel echo
I don't think that's wrong 🤷♂️
I jus think it becomes more enjoyable once you get to know mechanics better
small zinc
I think the problem isn't that people wouldn't enjoy it, but they won't try it in the first place because they think they wouldn't.
Not enough openness to competitive gameplay that takes elements of real life team sports (some kind of ball most of the time) instead of being about shooting and slashing.
pastel echo
I am not into sports games
but damn if I wasnt doing fist pumps in tense matches
in my final match on True Nightwing, I won with 4 flame against 80~ or so for Oralech
I cheered with both hands out loud
thank god I was alone in the room
torn bolt
when aj said "i thought we were friends" on my first playthrough i yelled YOU'VE BEEN MEAN TO ME YOUR ENTIRE LIFE out loud at my computer screen
thank god i too was alone in the room
timid silo
right? 😂 what kind of self-esteem... (says the Volfred fan, but that's beside the point)
forest girder
I was thinking I wonder about Sandra's clothes. We're those her assassin's clothes or she got them after becoming fun-sized?
timid silo
those are almost certainly Nomad robes... 🤔 so, the latter?
it's a pity we don't get to see the regular clothes of all the other triumvirates...
wide river
i mean, personally, if i was banished into a snowglobe for a billion years, i would want to hang out in a comfy set of onesies too
timid silo
fair, but on the other hand: think of the fanartists
coral turret
just out of curiosity what got y’all into pyre? Bc I had never heard of super giant games even, I just saw fan art of pyre on tumblr and I looked in the tag and mentioned it to a friend, who raved about it
I’m super picky too so she stressed that I would love it and I did!
timid silo
Kam and Ven swore I'd love it. And I did!
spiral osprey
tbf i think kam did more swearing 😂
i came fresh off playing transistor and bastion in 2015, 2016, so when i heard SGG had another game coming out, i was 👀
forest girder
I heard about Bastion but wasn't interested because it wasn't my style of gameplay. Years later Transistor came out and gave it a try on a sale but for personal motives I didn't finish it, Pyre flew completely under my radar and didn't even knew it existed until after Hades appeared in the EGS and Hades I played ot a lot
I eventually finished both Transistor first and Bastion later tho
But not until 2018 and months apart
stoic junco
I got into Pyre after some playthrough watch, I think? I can't rightly remember? Because I am pretty sure I was already following SGG relatively closely at the time...
forest girder
Honestly compared to the other 3 Pyre got shafted by the general public
stoic junco
Regardless, my friends described this picture as "how you look when you respawn near your pyre a second before your opponent plunges into it". And I have to agree.
Wait
Crap.
jagged pebble
yea
but to be fair it’s a VERY niche game
forest girder
You had Bastion as a super hit, Transistor as the game of the creators of the super hit and Hades as an addicting roguelite
stoic junco
I can't upload pictures directly.
forest girder
Post the link
stoic junco
timid silo
annnd yeah, as someone who appreciated Transistor a lot but is basically only into Pyre, that "from the creators of Bastion and Transistor" hurt 😂
pastel echo
@coral turret well, I got into Bastion first because it looked really cool and have been a fan ever since
Pyre is the first game I have ever preordered
SG is my favourite developer along with Arkane
heavy hill
ever since transistor, supergiant games are the only ones that I have always bought day one
grim tusk
I pirated bastion my freshman year of HS and then right after graduating, I went back and bought every single game I had pirated, so I got the first 3 supergiant games instead of just bastion. This year I beat them in order and then bought Hades and I honestly think their games just get better with every new one
forest girder
With Hades you technically buy Year -2 
gloomy steeple
I'm curious if anyone has tried to adapt The Downside into a ttrpg setting
pure merlin
I think Semman was trying to do so?
timid silo
Several people! And in the meantime, one of the TTRPGs included in the big itch.io bundle is strongly Pyre-flavored
pure merlin
Oooh, which one is that?
timid silo
https://quintessential-gaming.itch.io/dream-aflame I clicked on it like "tee hee like Pyre" and lo and behold it's one of the major sources they quote
jagged pebble
poggers
reef sleet
forgive me if this has been asked before but
how does Sky Dance have clapping if Harps don't have hands
timid silo
they clap with their feet?
forest girder
Do you know what song they teach to their children?
stray jolt
four hands
jagged pebble
oh
have you not seen handatha
forest girder
'If you are an Harpy, Harpy, Harpy clap your claws'
clap, clap
'If you are an Harpy, Harpy, Harpy clap your claws'
clap, clap
haughty saffron
"If you're a Harpy and you know it and you really wanna show it, if you are a Harpy, Harpy, clap your claws"
clap, clap
forest girder
This song is also libelous propaganda according to the Commonwealth
vestal bluff
They haven't seen handitha
vestal bluff
spark moon
Failer
forest girder
I am reading it
Sir, I am afraid you have to come with us
vestal bluff
reading
Take 'em away boys
unborn copper
Creating a Path of Exile character based on Oralech (day 2)! Check it out at https://www.twitch.tv/lidsvids
(Live now!)
forest girder
Gilman is also surpised of seeing her hands
LOL, I just realized Gilman looks like is slurping in his starry portrait
pastel echo
I was confused at first
"what the hell, it looks like headphones with cord, wtf is that"
and after several minutes it hit me that it's gilman
pastel echo
I think gilman with hair would look terrifying
pastel echo
or give him a topknot and some beard
forest girder
That's Gilman canon in his leave ending
jagged pebble
i mean
i considered his little top fin as a mohawk
glass thunder
Hey guys! 🥳 just wanted to relish the opportunity and say how great this game is! 🍞 🍴 tasty, like well made bread haha - thanks Super Giant 💯
sage river
Pyre is unlike any other game from the studio I think. It's real special
It's the only one where the gameplay loop is so much more secondary to everything else. The story and world of this game really chew you in
wild grail
You know, are all demons supposed to grow to be huge, or can there be like, slightly smaller or smol demons?
stray jolt
smol demon but their presence is big 😛
wild grail
Pfheeh, walks at an intimidating pace.
reef sleet
Pyre is very much a Supergiant game made for Supergiant fans specifically and I love that about it
vestal bluff
Pyre is unlike any other game
from the studio I think.It's real special
Also, Smol Demons? Oh you mean Imps
Horns, huge Aura, very intimidating
Basically the same thing
sage river
Mmmm I'm getting ready to boot up the game and I already have Surviving Exile reverberating in my soul
small aspen
I'm imagining her doing a raptor impression because they're so heavy
pastel echo
"Surviving exile" is an amazing track.
Even more so because each of original trio has their own instruments in the theme.
timid silo
I think about demon ae once in a while, she'd be amazing
earnest roost
Surviving Exile is my favorite instrumental track. I often find myself strumming the beginning of it
wild grail
Would a smaller Demon be like, a mix between a Crone and a Nomad/Savage?
jovial sparrow
Are the robes inverted or do you play as oralech in true nightwing mode?
jagged pebble
the game is much harder in TN
jovial sparrow
I mean in addition
jagged pebble
i believe everything is the same
timid silo
There are some gameplay changes to go along with the increased difficulty (all Titan Stars, all wares available from the beginning), but the story mode remains the same!
I'd love to play as Oralech outside of Versus mode!
sage river
Pyre is like the champions league but at the end Ivan perišić achieved gnosis and ascended to the second plane of reality
Pyre is like Sunday night football but al Michaels is constantly accusing the Patriots of war crimes
Pyre is like the NBA but Steph curry knows Klay Thompson’s star chart and this makes them better somehow
pastel echo
I think that True Nightwing is the way game is intended to be played @jovial sparrow
Definitely give it a try
gray kraken
also, turning on as many of the stars as you can makes it even better
pastel echo
Yes, exactly.
Like those starts that make enemies smarter and so on. When mechanics and depth really shine.
wet inlet
hello
i'm about to complete my third playthrough (heightened) and I wonder how much is the difficulty spike in True Nightwings?
I've tried searching around but I haven't found much information about the mandatory titan stars
does the game mandates more as you progress?
vestal bluff
Yes
gray kraken
yep
vestal bluff
It starts with 3 Titans required minimum, and goes up to 9 by the end
As well, the XP requirements to level up are increased
gray kraken
i find it easy to find the 5 that you can do and start the game with those 5 active. Youll get good at dealing with the effects of the stars by the time you do the first liberation rite, then you can add the rest and get all the XP
vestal bluff
You ever do All Titan Stars All The Time
vestal bluff
Nice
Ever turn them all on right from the very first Rite of the game and leave them all on 'til the end?
grim tusk
I still need the achievement to have them all activated
I will probably go to my normal save and try the Oralech fight to get it, idk
But it won’t make me 100% it anyways because I would still need to beat true nightwing and I’m not doing that
young folio
You don’t need to win to beat true nightwings B)
I lost every single rite and I got the achievement
jagged pebble
ye
thank god
i would never get through it if that was the case
grim tusk
Ik, but I don’t want to go through the same 8-9 hours of story just for one more achievement
Like it’s a good game, but I’ve got higher priority games to play than to replay the same thing
I haven’t even done ng+ on transistor yet and I’d rather do that first since it actually changes the playstyle by unlocking all the new tech
young folio
thats fair
ive played pyre like 5 times to see all the different outcomes and stuff, replaying it didnt bother me :> losing every match makes for an interesting experience as well
heavy hill
true nightwing mode or bust
unborn copper
@gloomy steeple we have a group of people working on a ttrpg based on Pyre right now as well
But also, Pyre Community Rite Nite TOURNAMENT starts in 45 minutes!
Watch the battle for the Soliam Cup at https://www.twitch.tv/lidsvids and/or join the Rite Club server (https://discord.gg/XHTtNGe) to get involved!
unborn copper
^Live now!
jovial sparrow
@pastel echo true nightwing is waaayy to much for me. I’m not even particularly good at the normal game with no stars
muted pebble
Was it just me that had a pretty decent time with TN mode?
heavy hill
TN is my favorite because if you're just okay at the game you'll definitely lose a few rites, and honestly taking some losses makes the story so much better
dusky cradle
After about two months of scriptwriting and re-writing, I am finally- finally able to start recording part of my Pyre video analysis.
muted pebble
That's amazing! Do link in #self-promotion when you're done with it! I'd love to watch it! 
dusky cradle
It'll actually be quite long- I am guessing somewhere perhaps between hour or two. 
from the sheer length of the script alone.
muted pebble
Hey I love reading and listening to people nerd out about supergiant games so go for it ^_^
dusky cradle
If I keep going at the rate I am going right now it should probably be done by new years or January
muted pebble
I'll be waiting!
ornate thistle
okay but where is pyre for switch though
tawdry arch
Please do Pyre on the Switch!
mossy field
hype for hades, but yes any hopes for pyre? 
cobalt badge
Glad I'm not the only one curious about this. I'd like to see Pyre come to switch so I can host some local tournaments. ^^;
west vigil
I am waiting for Pyre on Switch because multiplayer has to be more fun there than on a keyboard
past condor
Surprised to see Hades come to switch before Pyre. :0
tawdry arch
Switch just seems like the perfect platform for Pyre's multiplayer.
muted pebble
@cobalt badge We already host Pyre online tournaments if you're interested to join!
We have a dedicated server for it as well
cobalt badge
thanks, but I'm not really looking to do anything official. I'll be doing small time local things at an arcade I live near. I just want to spread the game around is all, it's one of my top 5 of all time.
muted pebble
Sure thing! T'was just a suggestion. It's amazing that you're spreading the game like that but I do believe that Pyre's story holds more value than its gameplay. But if more people appreciate this hidden gem, I have no complaints 
heavy hill
they use parsec/steam remote play
tall lantern
You can use parsec with switch?
vestal bluff
Here are the matches from this past Sunday
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzokNuPWk98
No we’re all on PC/Mac
tall lantern
Oh, then why was that dude saying something about switch multiplayer 🤣
We would need official multiplayer to begin with
And I believe they said they arent doing that
heavy hill
people were saying that the switch would be perfect for pyre because the switch is really good for local multiplayer
pure merlin
^
mossy field
I just prefer my visual novels to be portable 
timid silo
But what about your wizard basketball?
celest fog
Hi lovely people; I'm doing an always 12 stars TN run.. Any advice regarding the talismans ? I read something about that one day but can't seem to find it :/
I usually max out the speedy one as well as the throw fast one.. But theory crafting isn't my jam ^^'
torn bolt
prayer beads are super good, the one that makes you throw super fast is also good
i think failer also recommends webbed lanthorn?
celest fog
No worries
It's actually a great idea, now I have a reason to read the dialogues I've already read before
gloomy steeple
Has anyone here made a timeline of the events in Pyre? I was thinking of making a very basic ones, so I wanted to see if it has already been done.
gloomy steeple
Oh right! thanks, I actually saw this a while back
Manley's been in the downside for 20 years? wow
vestal bluff
For 12 Stars True Nightwings, definitely keep Ti’zo, Rukey and Mae as long as you’re able to
For Rukey, get him Lightning Run and Prayer Beads as quick as possible
celest fog
Was planing to keep Mae Ti Zo and Pam
vestal bluff
For Ti’zo, get Webbed Lanthorn (yellow one that brings your teammates back whenever you banish an adversary)
celest fog
I enjoy Pam a lot, she can cheese most adversaries
vestal bluff
It becomes more difficult with Shax Six Shoulders activated
celest fog
Oh no, i just take the orb and fly to the Pyre
Not trying to be too aggressive with her lol
vestal bluff
She’s still good, but she also wants to have Prayer Beads and her flight isn’t as fast as Rukey’s or Bertrude’s
vestal bluff
To each his own I suppose
celest fog
hm..
I'll try Rukey build you advised tho
I usually liberate him early on because I do not like him that much :v
lime mural
He was the star of my first push to Mt. Alodiel and my first liberation.
still had him shave the mustache
celest fog
Mae and Ti'zo always been my best pals yaknow
No hate on the doggo, he's cute with Pam and all, but his playstyle does not fit mine :p
vestal bluff
Rukey + Mae + Ti'zo is the best team in All Titan Stars mode
celest fog
Rukey leading I suppose
lime mural
I never got used to using Fae.
lime mural
I heard Savages are both Magikarp Power and Difficult But Awesome.
vestal bluff
A little difficult, but very awesome
celest fog
I was writing a novel about how much Mae is great but I'll just say that her right path of upgrades gives her infinite stamina while she carries the orb, a tp to the orb, and a super fling
What else could you need :p
spark moon
Any team with Ti'zo is the best team
celest fog
- with star splinter she flings it in a milisecond from across the map
vestal bluff
Quick Fling + Star Splinter is the key to winning
I don't usually take either Dark Vigour or the teleport one though
Heightened Reflexes + Traitor's Flight gives more burst mobility than those
celest fog
Hmm I do take Heightened reflexes
coral turret
I usually use gil as a runner just bc I love his jump, jodi as defense, and Pam as offense once I’m able. I never got the hang of rukey but gae was always a great alternative to gil and bertrude to pam. Volfred wasn’t my fav to play but if jodi wasn’t available, just standing on the pyre and deploying a sap was my usual defense method. I literally never played tizo and I feel bad about it. Hed was like, a well rounded player but didn’t have enough umph to ever take on one of the three roles so I rarely played him too. I’m losing every right in TN mode so I might try tizo/rukey/gae with the suggested talismans. I know talismans are super important, and obviously I use them, but I can’t remember which ones and for who or what any of them do lol
celest fog
Sadly, Jody is kinda meh with titan stars.. :/
coral turret
I usually just tend to play my favs in video games and rarely strategize
mild falcon
Yeah the real tierlist for pyre is how good of huggers they are
lime mural
Jodi's SSSSSSS-tier.
timid silo
Winged hug......
coral turret
Wyrm boa constrictive hug...
lime mural
I was thinking the same thing!
Gil starts hugging Hedwyn way too tight and they both go down.
lavish vine
Bertrude would give the best hugs
coral turret
You’d disappear into her shawl
timid silo
Bertrude hugs feat. tiny snake kisses
It's the best
Volfred is honestly super uncomfortable physically - too tall! All twigs! - but emotionally? All worth it.
forest girder
Jodi hugs you and you end looking like Gilman
lime mural
"Worth it!"
lavish vine
worth it
forest girder
Bodybuilders hate this simple trick to become swole
Step 1: Find a medium size of the current Pope (Former may be valid depending on reputation)
Step 2: Urinate in the statue.
Step 3: Wait 14-16 years for optimal results
disclaimer: Only appliccable to Nomads and Savages.
coral turret
I love gilman and rukey friendship but I think hugging for them would be hard
Snake hug dog, no arms
iron flax
coral turret
Rukey just has to sit there and take it
bleak holly
Is there an Enlightenment bonus for extinguishing an opposing pyre without taking any damage to your own? Lie to me and say there isn't.
mild falcon
if you flawless an opponent, you don't NEED the levels
bleak holly
Your ambiguous answer has adequately preserved my pride
wooden notch
Is there any chance the Switch will get Pyre? That why it has all 4 games.
midnight hawk
perhaps, but afaik sgg hasn't posted any info saying so
vestal bluff
Wyrm throws are best used while you’re already in the air
Basically you play as though you’ll jump in, but press the throw button before you get there
The range is short, by the charge up time is basically instant
Also Pyre for Switch 👌
Pray to Geg
upbeat sage
Nothing has been said about pyre for switch. Atm Supergiants main focus is the 1.0 release of Hades
But after that, who knows ^_^
midnight hawk
once hades is fully out the pyre fans will storm the sgg headquarters
lavish vine
Is there an Enlightenment bonus for extinguishing an opposing pyre without taking any damage to your own? Lie to me and say there isn't.
@bleak holly there isn't
and my hair is magenta
small aspen
@delicate plover half visual novel half wizard basketball
delicate plover
I saw that from the trailer, seems interesting
small aspen
if you've liked all the other sg games you'll probably like it
delicate plover
So far i'm 3/4 on liking SG games so its likely
Though I do need to go back and beat Bastion
small aspen
the sportsball can be a bit tricky to get the hang of
but it's not like losing a match or two or all is a big deal
bleak holly
@lavish vine very cool congrats on your exciting hair dye and on my unmatched skill in Pyre
@delicate plover if you're 3/4 you'll appreciate the creativity. It's great and weird
wild grail
Say, is there instrumental versions of Never to Return's variations?
All of it's versions are beautiful!
heavy stag
It's great and weird
this is accurate and, as far as i’m concerned, the highest praise possible
stoic junco
That's a pro strat if I ever saw one. Thanks!
I meant the wyrm throw.
Say, is there instrumental versions of Never to Return's variations?
I do not think so, unfortunately. You can make your own via online instruments cutting out the voice wavelengths, but they might sound bad.
haughty saffron
Considering the wide range of frequency their voices cover, I'd say it will definitely sound weird.
wet elm
Is Pyre on switch?
upbeat sage
it is not
wet elm
damn hopefully one day
upbeat sage
🤞
strong maple
Switch pyre would control so nicely
lime mural
I'd love pyre on switch!
lavish vine
@bleak holly 62.7% of steam players have completed rites without taking damage 
https://imgur.com/E29lmBy
bleak holly
I'll just avoid 62.7% of the playerbase then and enjoy my ignorance
young folio
can you get it in a practice rite?
lavish vine
I don't think so
wild grail
@lavish vine
What saddens me about that is that Achievement tells me that only ~65% of players had completed Pyre
||It’s possible to get that achievement on that one event where a Triumvirate ditches a rite...before your final Liberation Rite||
lavish vine
that "rite" gives you the achievement?
mild falcon
That doesn't always happen depending on how your run goes
It only happens if you'd be facing an opponent that has no chance of liberation
lavish vine
might want to spoilertag that for grid
lavish vine
that's literally all of them @mild falcon
wild grail
Oh, yeah, wait,
mild falcon
Well like, without oralech interfering I mean
wild grail
It’s supposed to be like, story significant, right?
mild falcon
If a triumvirate, by beating you, would have the score necessary to face you in the final liberation rite, then they won't skip that last rite
I know that oralech shows up and replaces your final opponent at the end but they dont know that
wild grail
It seems like, out of the 8 Playthroughs I've seen on Youtube, 3 of them do not have the "By Default" rites (Chastity, Fate, Tempers). It seems that the "By Default" event can be overridden if you fight a Triumvirate you have not chosen to fight a second time.
He right, it is possible to complete Pyre without that achievement, or getting a non-encounter.
wild grail
Also @ FailerV1 I meant instrumentals for the other Never to Return variants o^o
wild grail
I wish there could be more interactions between the different triumvirates
like they'd be trivial cutscenes in Versus mode or something
wild grail
...What do Sap legs look like from the knees down
storm fjord
my best guess is just straight-up roots?
wild grail
What do they look like when sitting in a vehicle tho
timid silo
@wild grail I took a screencap while liberating Volfred and in-game it's two veeeeeeeeery looooooooong legs and that's it :/
timid silo
I still can't picture a sap moving around in a Blackwagon and it's frustrating 😂
wild grail
Probably a really tall guy
He probably sits cross legged, actually, if his knees aren't up to his chest for someone of his height compared to the wagon.
muted pebble
Man just digs himself into the wood and just teleports around
wild grail
Then again, Jodariel
Pffft
Wouldn't that be concerning for the inner mechanisms of the wagon or w/e?
straight up moving wood planks out of the way
lavish vine
he already is plank
lavish vine
definitely the held push-up kind, not the stupid one on your elbows
wild grail
........................I just realized, is there any models around for all of the characters?
lavish vine
unless he's a legless plank which is even more impressive
timid silo
Maybe saps walk around on their knees if they can't root themselves and zip around...? 🤔 he's REALLY tall even with just his knees above ground in the ending pic...
wild grail
long
timid silo
https://i0.wp.com/www.nerdspeaker.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Pyre-Wallpaper-Ending-5-3840x2160.jpg?ssl=1 while this is his regular height while rooted down
long sap is long!!
timid silo
'parently!
wild grail
Hm...
timid silo
hence my ???ing
young folio
how do saps work? we just dont know
wild grail
Nomads and Savages are probably the weirdest ethnicities
"""ethnicities"""
Huh...do Curs really walk on all 4 legs? What strange names for these races, though...
I thought they ran on only 2, unless I'm not seeing their running animation correctly.
small aspen
pretty sure curs are all four when they walk
wild grail
I suppose they are quadrupeds, so it would make sense...
timid silo
Yeah they definitely move like dogs
wild grail
Kewl
pliant axle
Anyone here managed to get dualshock icons working on Pyre PC? it says it has native support for it but it doesnt work ( i turned off ps4 config support in steam as some people said)
lavish ridge
can't recall having problems with it the last time i played pyre on pc? i only play with dualshock
lemme ask the other mods and see if anyone knows
torn bolt
curs are described as dog-like creatures
no evidence that dogs exist in the world of pyre
so what is the truth
lavish ridge
but...but curs are basically dogs...
rukey is a dog in my heart
a dog with a mustache
torn bolt
gregory supergiant i have questions
wide river
if you remember rekt like the spiral sanctum you qualify for the senior discount btw
i still fondly recall that time
celest fog
"All our focus right now is on Hades and we don't have plans for additional versions of Pyre. We really appreciate the interest, though."
Damn :c
pliant axle
"choose a name for the girl"
Bae
"This cant be right, can it" nice flavourtext
pliant axle
a bit too late im afraid, i went with zhae
lavish vine
Hey Bae, how's it going?
good name
I think she likes all of them, poor girl has amnesia or something
pliant axle
yeah, in a line before the prompt she repeats "i cant remember"
I really like the game so far. First playthrough. Got to after the first howler (i think thats what theyre called?) defense
lavish vine
||We sort of do||
||on Khaylmer's Isle||
lavish vine
||It's certainly not the same, but you still kill howlers and get moneys||
lavish vine
Sounds right, thank you
muted pebble
Much Obliged
pliant axle
||Shame we never saw that again||
@muted pebble maaaan
umbral flame
I kinda thought of the Curs like Otters. They can run on four legs but also use their front paws like hands
wild grail
Is it just me or does the Tempers’ theme and their Never to Return variant remind me of a Toreador theme?
wild grail
I just realized...if Lendel at first uses a bunch Nomads as allies first, before starting to use Demons...is that trying to imply something?
midnight hawk
it's implied the nomads he had turned into demons
wild grail
Yeah I was thinkin about that, oof
vestal bluff
Their names confirm it
Demons are known to sometimes take a new name after they demonify
And the other Accusers are named "Vispa" and "Darben" at the start, but the Demons are named "Vispaleth" and "Darbenfor"....
mild falcon
When you turn into a demon you get a cooler name I love that that's canon
Imagine... hedwynith
muted pebble
But it makes me curious to how the accusers were formed to begin with and why do they pick Lendel to go if they win. The other 2 have clearly been in the downside longer than him since they turned into demons while he was still a nomad
wild grail
Under the circumstances of which he was banished, we could say the others in his triumvirate could have either been shown up by Lendel somehow, previous comrades of Lendel, or were persuaded by Lendel (and his "lies," perhaps).
That other name-fact, though, makes me wonder what the previous names of Jodariel, Ignarius, and Oralech were...if they aren't their original names.
muted pebble
My bets on Jodariel's name literally being Jodi
timid silo
Oralech didn't change his name since Volfred never saw him demonified when he talks about him!
The somewhat wonky timeline also lends itself to maybe headcanoning that different people demonify at different speeds
mild falcon
Is that true? I thought volfred knew him as having one pair of horns
Some people say you demonify by losing your optimizing about leaving
gray kraken
from what i understand, the demonisation doesnt happen until you lose hope. i could be wrong
mild falcon
Yeah something like that
I like to think hedwyn has that hedband on to hide some growing horns
He's got to keep a stoic face on for everyone, and not show weakness
That's his character arc
Maybe lendel is also hiding his horns, he's too proud to let the downside take him
timid silo
I can't find the relevant convo - in my memories, it was something like his horns were just about starting to grow but could still be hidden by a headband. What's for sure is that the flashback portrait does not have visible horns!
stoic junco
Anyone has any advices about getting the achieve with putting your opponent's pyre down with only three dousings?
muted pebble
Take Jodi and get the mastery that lets her do +10 damage when you taunt. You can also get damage talismans to make this more efficient. You can easily do this in the 2nd last rite (||The one where no one appears||).
umbral flame
I think I might have managed it with Bertha, a damage talisman and the bonus damage when you're ahead of them
But I can't check right now
unborn copper
Creating a Path of Exile character based on Oralech (Day 3)! Check it out at https://www.twitch.tv/lidsvids
lavish ridge
Heya @unborn copper! Hope you had a good stream. Would you mind posting this in #self-promotion next time?
wet inlet
Any advices for using Ti'zo?
I'm currently using him by suicide bombing / ramming people with last laugh + titan's rage mastery and lanthorn
celest fog
Using him to revive your others characters proved to be useful for me with webbed lanthorn, all credits to Failer (gotta admit Rukey is a great scorer :v).
Otherwise i like his unique item he gets from Sandra.. Once maxed out it's pretty cheesy :p
mild falcon
With the talisman you can use tizo as a solo scorer if you confuse the opponent enough
Constantly switch from zipping and flying
Though this doesn't work as well against human opponents
vestal bluff
I'm currently using him by suicide bombing / ramming people with last laugh + titan's rage mastery and lanthorn
This is the best way to play Ti'zo
Ha'ub's Wing is indeed great, but Ti'zo is the best defensive player in the game so he gets the Lanthorn for me
vestal bluff
Alright guys, we're going live with the second day (the last round and the bracket) of our Pyre tournament!
See #self-promotion for our Twitch stream, and check our pins for the Rite Club Discord server link!
ivory tree
timid silo
And keeps getting better! Enjoy! 
gray kraken
im wierd and i never used Tizo unless i had to. didnt fit my playstyle
midnight hawk
i was bad with ti'zo bc i would forget his cast was to explode and then would explode at inopportune times
grim tusk
I have finished two freedom rites on true nightwing now
It's the last achievement I need
midnight hawk
what would people recommend focusing on with vocations?
vestal bluff
If you can level someone up with a lesson, go with that
Otherwise, if there's a chance to get Stardust, go with foraging (or if there's a Talisman you want from Ron and you could get it next Rite with a few more Sol)
Reader's Influence is usually lowest priority for me
lavish vine
your reader is uber-powerful when maxed
but that takes a really long time
wild grail
What, because of the Glory?
lavish vine
no, because it's a lot of small bonuses
they all add up
grim tusk
I did it. I finally did it
Onto transistor completion
There's a lot of games I just don't find enjoyable to complete the achievements on, but the supergiant collection has always been bugging me every time I look at it in my "finished" category. So I figured it was time to scratch that itch
young folio
Congrats!
upbeat sage
Pog congrats
muted pebble
Great Job!
sharp rivet
Hey hey, congrats! Pyre was one of the ones where I was thrilled to get the 100%, same as transistor.
midnight hawk
pyre is a very good game. you know what would make it better? more saps and bog crones
timid silo
I second this motion
mild falcon
I think real life would also be better with more saps and bog crones
timid silo
I cannot begin to stress how right this is
lavish vine
we need Bertrude here.
reef burrow
pyre has been an emotional support game that has helped me a lot during hard times.
small zinc
I wish I could say the same
Well, I guess I took it too seriously and a load of fictional world regrets just piled on top of my real world regrets 😅
Before the first liberation rite it was an awesome escape but then it began to wreck me
midnight hawk
pyre is a good game for emotional support, there's loneliness but there's also this beautiful found family aspect where they really support each other and care about each other
which like there are so much media where people just fight all of the time
small zinc
I fully agree with that but... if you're like me then you start making stupid mistakes that hurt your "beautiful family" and you realize that you're a terrible person no matter which world you are in... I think I didn't really understand some of the characters and their motives (especially whether they even care about liberation or something entirely else) until the epilogue.
Basically the fact that the ending can be bittersweet and your decisions are responsible for it isn't very therapeutic.
Not saying it's the game's flaw, I doubt SGG made it with that intention
But I don't know if there is a set of decisions that can cause something that could be considered "an ultimate good ending" or if things aren't going to be perfect no matter what you do. Frankly, before someone writes an answer, I think this would be a spoiler for me, I better don't want to know.
timid silo
The narrative about the end of historical cycles has been very comforting to me.
midnight hawk
see, the thing is, a lot of people who mean a lot to you will come into your life and will also leave your life. which is very painful and hard, but it's less "this person is gone forever and i suffer" and more "this hurts but im glad i had them in my life" and that's more about what pyre's about. it is hard to say goodbye to people, but sometimes you have to, and that doesn't make you a terrible person. it's just life
spark moon
This is a nice way to say I cried over a fictional bean for a little bit too long when I liberated Ti'zo
timid silo
Liberated and ready to commit CRIMES topside 
spark moon
He wouldn't commit crimes he's a good boy!!
timid silo
Aw shoot, I don't think I have a screencap. Doesn't it say he hasn't committed any topside crimes... YET in his full roster bio? 😂
umbral flame
Being a good boy was outlawed by the commonwealth, though
small zinc
@midnight hawk I meant something entirely else, but you're right about this... one of the terrible things about life... well, people that mean a lot to you can't leave your life if they don't come into it in the first place big brain thinking. I mean, honestly, it's ridiculous that you can feel more attached to a bunch of fictional characters than most people you know IRL and yet it happens.
grim tusk
When you’re in true nightwing and then ||pamitha begs you to let tamitha win|| and you’re just sitting there like 😐 with 8 titan stars active knowing you never stood a chance in the first place
muted pebble
😂
lavish vine
are you saying you don't turn all of them on from the start?
grim tusk
No, because I wanted to at least have a shot at winning some
vestal bluff
All-Stars True Nightwings is the way it was meant to be played
muted pebble
Agreed
native shard
I only now noticed you can call that All-Stars
Like, ya know, in bball
Space Jam but it's Pyre when
small aspen
i thought pyre was space jam
pure merlin
fantasy jam
small zinc
*Ahem*
Everybody get up the stars align now
We got a real jam goin' down
Welcome to the Rite Jam
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Legend has it this is the Tariq & Celeste song for the next age
onyx forum
jhfvhjfvjhfjh perfect
wild grail
Never to Return but it’s Space Jam lyrics (and music)
Dude I would lose it if Supergiant made some April Fool’s songs for each of their games
If it’s anything I would want it would be Never to Return x Space Jam
wild grail
snrk, Michael Jordon, leader of the triumvirate, “The Tunes”
wild grail
You know, I was kind of thinking...
I kinda want a sequel to Pyre, still in the Downside. But what I’m interested in is how living in it would be like. I want to know more about those who forsake or hold no interest in the rites, what other Downside dangers lurk around, that kinda stuff.
muted pebble
I would rather like a prequel-sequel where we explore the lives of the scribes before they became gods
wild grail
I’m a little mixed on it...I am interested in how the Eight Scribes compare to their descendants, but I also feel as though the mystique of the lore would be disturbed somehow if that’s what we got.
muted pebble
I mean I'd love to see how Jomuer literally dropped a giant ball of Dung on the Titan
wild grail
Snrk
muted pebble
Like how
How did the dude not notice?
And also where?
Where did he get so much???
wild grail
I mostly just wanna know if there’s anything other than Howlers and the environment that can pose a threat to exiles. Heck, with so much potential tension from or between certain ethnicities, like Harps and Wyrms, there HAS to have occurred some sort of fight.
torn bolt
seconding a scribe prequel, that really would be giving the gays (me) everything they want
grim tusk
Wait what does that have to do with being gay
stray jolt
the gays would get everything they want
grim tusk
Aight I won’t question it then lol
wild grail
torn bolt
it's a joke lmao
mild falcon
there was lore about some killer vegetables around
timid silo
Failer has fully ascended as Scribe; replaced Jomuer in the collective consciousness 😂
torn bolt
i'm sure he'll be flattered 
timid silo
Glory to the Fates!
vestal bluff
Bizarre that this happens to someone who hasn’t even played against me
torn bolt
you're famous, failer
heavy hill
I think I was able to show up for like one rite club but I know failer is the one who knows the Pyre Strats(tm)
vestal bluff
Wat
safe hawk
So I just started playing yesterday
does anyone have any advice for Jodariel's trial
because it's physically painful
wild grail
Take things slow. Throw the orb a distance little by little as you eliminate opponents.
sharp rivet
That sounds right, I had a really hard time brute forcing it, so try this, ai usually gets distracted by the orb
wild grail
I almost never try to use Jodariel to score because of how easy of a target she is - However, if you are able to station her somewhere, she is an excellent eliminator, especially if you largen her aura and utilize Power Casts.
timid silo
With her trial, I had an easy time jumping close to the Pyre, since demons push away opponents
wild grail
That works too
small aspen
i would also advise taking it slow
demon can just wipe the whole enemy team and get a free shot
safe hawk
thank you guys!! I just gotta take it slow :D
vestal bluff
With Jodi, best way to go is to have Long Stride and Relentless Vigour
Stay behind an obstacle so you don’t get casted at, and ram your opponents when they’re close enough
Get rid of the Orb as soon as you have it - Jodi needs to have her aura to succeed
safe hawk
Thank you, I don't know that I have either of those abilities
Wait I have long stride
I DID ITT
FINALLY
wild grail
Wasn't there someplace where the vast, data-mined variants of music that you hear or don't hear in the game can be found?
vestal bluff
There is indeed beta versions of some songs in the game data
Can’t link right now but someone show this fellow the old Never To Return
wild grail
Not JUST of Never to Return.
(That can easily be found on Youtube.)
wild grail
aw
mild falcon
You might be able to find it with the right search terms
Or you could datamine it yourself
wild grail
Sounds about right
What website would it be on? I think I remember coming across it, as a Reddit post...
forest girder
It's gonna sound dumb
But I'm giggling at the idea of Darren beta-testing his songs
wild grail
I really wish that there was an alternative version of Acoustic or generic Never to Return, like a straightforward “Instrumental” variation that includes stuff like the bass and ending guitar riff.
Also, what does that entail, Mantra?
little wyvern
I've been listening to all the versions of never to return to today on repeat
They're so good
Wanted to share this cause I got nobody else who I know who's played Pyre
thin coral
I love how responsive the music in Pyre is. Adds a whole other level of immersion
forest girder
The Guardians: Never to Retuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurn.....
Me: Yeah, sure.
Starts New Save
thin coral
When I watched Game Score Fanfare’s video on the music of Pyre it blew my mind.
I was like “that’s a thing you can do???”
forest girder
I'm just surprised how many people you can bully on Pyre
Crashes carriage
Rings Bell
Disturbs imps
Frees Manley
Betrays Sandra
thin coral
I love how the relationships you build in Pyre and Hades are so well paced; really makes them feel more real. The only other things I’ve enjoyed that got me so invested in fictional characters are my favorite novels
I feel like I’m visiting old friends when I return to the wagon or the house of hades
vestal bluff
Betrays Sandra
Hey guys I've spotted an evil human being right here
limber vault
Is there an effect for crashing other carriages? I sometimes do that to the Pyrehearts' 😆
timid silo
Freeing Manley does absolutely count as bullying
icy ocean
Is there an effect for crashing other carriages? I sometimes do that to the Pyrehearts' 😆
@limber vault You annoy other triumvirates
mild falcon
wait till they pull out the cannons 👀
timid silo
(new Nightwings -who didn't even know the dang thing was buoyant let alone that it flew - voice) you guys get CANNONS?
safe hawk
so I just unlocked the planner and I'm a little confused, do I need to target specific triumvirates?
upbeat sage
it basically tells you who you're potentially facing in the next liberation rite, you can manipulate that to a degree by choosing who you face in wizard basketball between liberation rites
and keeps track of wins/losses
safe hawk
oh, cool!! I'm going 9-0 but I feel a little bad sometimes. All the characters are so lovable, I want all of them to go free ;-;
Every decision I make I feel like I'm also making a mistake haha
upbeat sage
that's understandable, i quite liked most of the characters in my playthrough as well 
safe hawk
I also understand there are different endings, do I have to know everything about everyone before they're freed?
wild grail
...Uh
Neuro if you open these spoilers you will take psychic damage but everyone else
||9-0 isn't possible, right? You need a triumvirate...and you are unable to participate in a Liberation Rite with all 9 of the Triumvirates.||
timid silo
||the planner lists all your wins-losses, not just the lib rites!||
unborn copper
Pyre Community Rite Nite (multiplayer Pyre) starts in an hour and a half!
Watch at https://www.twitch.tv/lidsvids and/or join the Rite Club server (https://discord.gg/XHTtNGe) to get involved!
unborn copper
^live now!
wild grail
||Yeah, you can get more than 9 wins. You can’t get a 0 loss if you complete the game with 9 wins.||
||I’m saying it’s impossible to win 9 Liberation Rites.||
lavish vine
Betrays Sandra
Horrifying. If I was good at Pyre I would tell you to 1v1 me right now.
harsh briar
Beat Pyre again, and I barely even teared up at the end credits! So that's progress for me. One run through left, on True Nightwings difficulty, til I'll have all achievements.
I think the requirement for that is just to complete the game, right? Not complete it particularly well? Because it seems hard.
wet inlet
you can lose all rites and still get the achievement
harsh briar
That's good news because with my reflexes and dexterity, I just might! I've never seen what would happen if I got blown out in every rite 😳
limber vault
Finished Pyre! I love it! Trying to do a completionist run and now on my True Nightwings campaign (currenly facing Umhilde, pre liberation rite).
Any tips for True Nightwings difficulty in general?
grim tusk
Go for the 12 titan achievement every time until you get it lol
lime mural
Just recently started a True Nightwings run mysself a couple of days back ^^ I'm not sure if I have any specific tips, but the first Talismans that I went for were Lucrative Contract and Burning Promise to get Sol as early as I could
Actually, is it better to buy one Talisman and focus on upgrading it or going for a collection of universally good Talismans and upgrading as a group?
Currently the only progress I've made is buying and maxing out Mottled Flask since it helps support the entire team
thin steppe
How hard is it to get 100 % ? I have 80% of the achievements
Missing all the versus ones for sure and the true nightwing one also
muted pebble
It isn't that hard
It's definitely doable
A lot of us over here can testify to that
I think the hardest one would be the All titan stars achievement
small aspen
you can cheese that one if you do it on the rite where nobody shows up
heavy hill
I do not think so
harsh briar
I got that one against the Tempers. Big, lumbering lot. Used Pamitha's aura burst to take out two at once and then got someone fast to take a quick shot. Rinse, repeat.
bold fjord
@muted pebble I honestly don't think the All Titan Stars is that bad, my only achievements left are beating the game on True Nightwing, and getting the points on every character, just because of how much time is eaten up by menuing/dialogue.
velvet birch
Hi there! Had a few questions about Pyre but first just wanted to know if there's a policy on spoilers
young folio
spoilers are ok in this channel!
velvet birch
Dang, okay thanks for letting me know. I'll try to stay away until I finish it then. Just a quick question though: is the PC (Steam) build known to occasionally produce framedrops at random times during in and out of rites sequences? Sometimes I'll notice the cursor chug for unclear reasons while out of a rite, or framedrops that don't seem connected to specific bottleneck moments during rites. I can run recent and graphics intensive games fairly well on this machine so I'm just wondering if there's a known issue that might be causing this that I'm just not aware of?
small aspen
people have mentioned random framerate drops in the past
don't think anyone's found a fix for any of it though
this thread offers two possible solutions if you wanna give them a go
velvet birch
Alright, I'll check that out. Thank you!
harsh briar
This game has some wild stuff you only pick up on after a playthrough or two, like near the beginning of the game....
||Rukey: "What are you, a doctor?"
The Minstrel: "No, though I did travel extensively with one."
My slow self, on my third playthrough: "OHHHH I KNOW THIS ONE"||
wild grail
Explain the lines to me, this seems like an obscure reference...
mild falcon
what, the spoilers here?
||oralech is a doctor, oralech used to be in the nightwings||
@wild grail
wild grail
||...I remembered that I do indeed need to read the enemy Profiles...||
I feel like that shouldn't be spoilered but w/e
mild falcon
technically nothing here has to be spoilered, by server rules
wild grail
Oh, yeah that too.
I meant my line specifically tho, ^^'
thin steppe
I already have the all titans achievement, do I need to play through the whole game to get the true nightwing one?
oak silo
Is there anyway to get a copy of YOUR ending theme song in Pyre? Since they're unique I have no idea how to listen to my version and it feels wrong listening to other versions haha
muted pebble
I record my game's audio the moment the credits roll and just edit it
oak silo
That's smart, good call
forest girder
The All titans Achievements is easier in the second playthrough
Just Activate them all||On the empty match||
Play Smarter, not Harder
grim tusk
I did it by starting another new game in true nightwing and retrying the first real rite over and over with all 12 until I won
lavish vine
o0f
Imagine grinding through the entire intro of the game
more than once in a playthrough
it's not as bad as a pokemon tutorial, but I don't think it would be worth it
coral turret
||idk about you guys I just really like spoilers tags in discord now that I know how to use them||
lavish vine
||#general-discussion my guy||
coral turret
I mean considering it was mentioned a handful of messages ago
lapis hemlock
YOOO
is this used in making the music for pyre? I hear mae’s theme in it and songs that have the chorus playing when you get near an enemies pyre
cedar adder
Lore question while I'm replaying -- is there ever explicit explanation of the relationship between the Scribes' religion and the commonwealth? Like does the commonwealth worship/recognize the scribes? Or are the they and the rites strictly known to/in the downside?
small aspen
iirc they're known and respected but people who revere the scribes like the vagabond girl are treated as kinda weird
the rites are largely secret out of the downside
cedar adder
Makes more sense. On a playthrough now where I'm throwing every liberation rite, and paying a lot more attention to hidden lore. The first time I played I sortof took it for granted that the Scribes' religion was the main faith of the commonwealth, but given both the vagabond girl's backstory and how tightly woven the scribes are to the confirmed-to-be-secret rites, it makes more sense for it to not be the case.
torn bolt
iirc the religion of the commonwealth involves worshipping the olden stars! the scribes are seen as important figures, but not as basically demigods like they're seen as in the downside.
cedar adder
literally as im having this conversation is where I pass the dialogue where volfred says outright that the Commonwealth was formed from the first exiles freed from the downside.
which i guess is why they have the scribes values vibe even when they dont outright know of the rites
wild grail
The Scribes were indeed mortals. But they have been well deified through the years of worship.
forest girder
You kill ONE Eldritch abomination using beetle Dung and people suddenly start calling you a God. smh
wild grail
snrrrrk
Imagine being called god because you can understand language
...Now I just wonder what the Commonwealth was like.
heavy hill
The Eight Scribes? more like Book Jesus
lavish vine
everybody who didn't see this in 2018 needs to see it now.
https://discordapp.com/channels/456889434672201729/456894214840516611/491109001568714752
grim tusk
Wow that's way back
lavish vine
yes
lime mural
wow
forest girder
You know? I've come ot suspect that Andriobeles guy is kind of a prick
lime mural
I don't remember the judge's name being that, but yeah, later in the game he starts cheering against you and it really annoyed me
forest girder
I was jesting he is an arse
wild grail
Actually, he cheered against you from the second you “tampered with forbidden knowledge.” ||Midway through the game he does actually warm up to the Nightwings. But by the time Volfred finally takes up the raiments once again, he holds disdain against you for siding with a conspirator against the Commonwealth.||
timid silo
Yeah he's an arse from the get-go, I have receipts 😒
small zinc
Well, the Scribes kind of failed to realize that the exiles can be actual bad people and letting them rule the Commonwealth isn't the best idea in the world.
muted pebble
I think they just wanted to give even Exiles a chance at redemption. No matter who they are and why they were exiled
small zinc
But the redemption isn't just about getting back and pretending nothing happened, but also receiving benefits in the social hiearchy on top of that.
Which apparently backfired. Well, what really didn't work is the idea that the teamwork and hardships that come with rites will purify the characters, which we can see first hand.
The system they designed in their good faith assumed that everyone is like Soliam Murr, basically.
So they probably assumed that those who return will be "better people" because of the experience than those who have not been exiled in the first place.
velvet birch
Just finished the game. What a banger. Anyone know ||how many different combinations of the "where are they now" text exist? Certainly not 20 or 21 factorial haha||
small zinc
I'm pretty sure they are joined together programatically
So effectively there might be that many
Not completely because not everyone mentions everyone
Wait is 20/21 factorial even the number of combinations?
velvet birch
Ah yes... Suppose a few are "cul de sacs" like ||Uldmildhe|| while others are more dynamic like ||Moonchild and Almer||
Something like that right?
Number of exiles + number of enemy trios + reader?
small zinc
I'm not sure about the factorial. It think 2^20 for each character if we assume there are 20 characters who can return or stay and they influence each other... well, so that's not exactly the case, but something in that sense
velvet birch
Well I was originally counting every combination with at least one distinct different outcome as unique
timid silo
It's not that simple - if we're talking ending text, most characters have segments that depend on where they ended up but also who they ended up with
And sometimes the main result is a factor too
small zinc
Oh right, probably then yes
velvet birch
So assume all of yours go free minus 1, Reader stays, all others stay. That's one possible outcome. In that case just shifting the one who stays yields as many "unique" endings as there are characters
small zinc
Wait no, still 2^20, under those assumptions (which aren't Pyre reality, yes)
velvet birch
But between some just having binary outcomes and the details that @timid silo mentioned, the real number is likely far lower but also less straightforward
small zinc
Yeah, we'd have to know all the variables that go into it
velvet birch
Hmm I think I see what you mean but...
small zinc
variations, 20 characters, 2 outcomes for each, that makes 2^20 possible epilogue cases
velvet birch
Yeah, I think you might be right (minus repeats, plus dynamic pairings)
So somewhere between 1 and at most 1 million 😅
small zinc
Yeah haha. Tbh I don't know how many characters there actually were with the backstories.
timid silo
Like, Bertrude has endings with Volfred and Pamitha, Oralech has Volfred and Ti'zo, ae has Jodi, Ti'zo and Almer, etc
small zinc
I kinda spoiled myself that the reader can be freed in the final rite but I guess it could be expected
I played the whole game having accepted the he can't
Didn't realize he can until I read about it afterwards
velvet birch
Really enjoyed the effort, it's a bonkers endeavour overall. The simple fact that party-based-pseudo-post-apocalyptic-wizard-basketball-visual-novel works at all is a testament to creativity and commitment
Yeah, I'd also accepted the Reader would stay. Which is why in the end I sent Oralech up instead. Seemed just.
timid silo
I'm pretty sure at least liberated Oralech's text changes between a pacific or bloody revolution (and his remained endings have .. more variance than most, shall we say), and liberated Volfred doesn't become prime minister if too much blood is shed as a consequence of his plan...
small zinc
Yeah, it's awesome
If you loved the songs make sure to search for the unused versions, some of it is cool,
Oralech win spoiler uh ||I didn't even get the choice really. I played it as the guy who plays fair so I let Oralech decide (I lost most of the liberation rites...) 😄||
timid silo
I libbed Oralech too. It is what he deserves and also I kind of wanted to stay Downside, eventual demonification be damned
velvet birch
I thought the decision to have the frequency of the Liberation Rites speed up was a really inspired one since it ups the overall tempo of the game and ties neatly into a "dying universe" idea where things are spinning out of control
Yeah, it's awesome
If you loved the songs make sure to search for the unused versions, some of it is cool,
I didn't even get the choice really. I played it as the guy who plays fair so I let Oralech decide (I lost most of the liberation rites...) 😄
@small zinc Where are these unused versions? You mean the version of the final song that I didn't get?
small zinc
No, unused versions of other songs, on YouTube
velvet birch
Interesting... I'll search for them
small zinc
"Ursa Idea" is my favourite right now
velvet birch
Neat hearing these early prototype versions... Seems like at some point the loser of a Rite would have died in the flames?
small zinc
Fight against Dalbert would suddenly get a lot more intense for sure
velvet birch
That might have been a cool way to go with the ritual... But I think that while dramatically it might have been powerful to have one's freedom be the other's death, I think it would undercut the really well-done sports analogy of having to deal with the impact of a loss by carrying on
small zinc
The story would be dramatically different... the idea is cool but I think it's better the way it is
velvet birch
"No, I missed the 3-point free throw! Let me write out my will..."
small zinc
It's kinda ironic that those who would perish in the flame would be those who didn't touch it
velvet birch
Haha yes!
"Now, at last unto the Flames... Without your raiments."
Also a cool fantasy construct - the fact the ||Downside is fully impermeable to all travel except for going down the River, up the Fall, or by being a messenger Imp. After the end of the Rites it becomes its own one-way pocket dimension where only texts can go out. ||
Hm... Couldn't ||Ti'zo have just flown out as the messenger imps do? ||
small zinc
Tbh I read the "perish in the flame" more like a metaphor to losing... at least I didn't get the "death" vibes from it.
Yeah thought about that too, but ||he's a drive imp, maybe they are bad at flying||
||But if they can smuggle stuff up, Ti'zo can't be that heavy||
||might be some magic of the place, that all attempts fail||
velvet birch
Always possible, yes!