#pyre | Supergiant Games | Page 29

mild falcon May 22, 2019, 4:06 PM

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Ugh the song stuck in my head is bound together but with the drum and bass from immigrant song

civic birch May 22, 2019, 7:23 PM

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Damn

civic birch May 23, 2019, 4:32 AM

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i just absolutely love drawing jodi's hair, all of the time

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this has been a psa

young fjord May 23, 2019, 4:42 AM

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She has Premium hair

civic birch May 23, 2019, 5:11 AM

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hey uhh how do we feel about. exposition about reader OCs

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and/or would that go here or in #fan-works

young fjord May 23, 2019, 5:12 AM

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I think... probably fan works

mortal hemlock May 23, 2019, 5:48 AM

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Isn't there a spot where Volfred speaks in actual voice lines instead of gibberish?

spiral osprey May 23, 2019, 5:49 AM

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Yep

mortal hemlock May 23, 2019, 5:49 AM

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When he does like telepathy reader thing?

spiral osprey May 23, 2019, 5:49 AM

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Yeah, one of those times

mortal hemlock May 23, 2019, 5:50 AM

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man wouldn't it be cool if learning how to read gave you superpowers irl

spiral osprey May 23, 2019, 5:50 AM

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something something knowledge is power gkdfjgd

young fjord May 23, 2019, 5:58 AM

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Knowledge and comprehension are their own superpower

midnight timber May 23, 2019, 6:36 AM

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I always thought the readers did have some form of powers no? Cause you can read Pamitha's mind at ome point and you have those convos with Volfred that dont exactly seem out loud? I always took it as readers in pyre can read more then just English (what I'm assuming the books are written in) but they can read things like, the stars, people, their emotions and thoughts, more abstract "reading".

civic birch May 23, 2019, 6:38 AM

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^^^

spiral osprey May 23, 2019, 6:38 AM

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they do! i think petrichor was talking about like
for Real

young fjord May 23, 2019, 6:38 AM

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Yes, they have some form of telepathy

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And also yes, he was talking IRL

midnight timber May 23, 2019, 6:41 AM

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Whoops lol sorry I didnt read it right I guess, but yeah I love that detail about readers in pyre lol, it would be so cool if some form of that could exist IRL just being able to learn more abstract forms of "reading"

spark cloud May 23, 2019, 6:41 AM

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there's reading and then there's Reading

young fjord May 23, 2019, 6:42 AM

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You can certainly learn to "read" people

civic birch May 23, 2019, 6:42 AM

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i also don't think absolutely everyone who is literate is a Reader

midnight timber May 23, 2019, 6:42 AM

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Agreed

spiral osprey May 23, 2019, 6:42 AM

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I honestly think it's specifically The Book that does that

spark cloud May 23, 2019, 6:42 AM

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bertrude is definitely literate

spiral osprey May 23, 2019, 6:42 AM

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after all the whole point of having a Reader is to coordinate the team

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so to that purpose, the Book should provide abilities that allow Readers to coordinate everyone

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it's pretty clear the Book has some eldritch stuff going on

mild falcon May 23, 2019, 6:43 AM

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the player reads the book to the team, so it's perhaps some combination of literacy and the book

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because it's not knowledge of book contents that grants the power

midnight timber May 23, 2019, 6:43 AM

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Soooo we just need to get our hands on an official book of rites 👀

mild falcon May 23, 2019, 6:43 AM

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🔪 time to carve up yslach

civic birch May 23, 2019, 6:43 AM

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chop chop, jerkwad!

young fjord May 23, 2019, 6:45 AM

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I personally think the Book of Rites is more than the lore that the player is presented with, so it's entirely feasible that that task of "understanding the Rites" as mentioned in the game is developing the telepathic/empathic power

mild falcon May 23, 2019, 6:46 AM

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could bertrude conduct the rites?

midnight timber May 23, 2019, 6:47 AM

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Probably? Though idk if she enough of a people person to do it LOL

mild falcon May 23, 2019, 8:39 AM

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"The herald" - the lone minstrel's theme

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imagine being the kind of guy to play your own theme

spark cloud May 23, 2019, 8:49 AM

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let him have this

mild falcon May 23, 2019, 9:08 AM

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whenever he talks to you, he either noodles his theme or yours

onyx forum May 23, 2019, 11:43 AM

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listen what else does he really have by way of self expression the guy apologizes 3 times for saying any opinion

wide river May 23, 2019, 11:49 AM

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it’d take him four hours to say what his favourite colour is

onyx forum May 23, 2019, 11:54 AM

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i will listen to him plqying music about himself all day, PLEASE express yourself tariq im HERE for you

upbeat sage May 23, 2019, 11:56 AM

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^^^

pliant sigil May 23, 2019, 12:17 PM

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me: hey tariq whats your fave color
tariq, whose outfit is almost completely black, grey and white:

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nvm he has a bit of gold color

onyx forum May 23, 2019, 12:22 PM

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tariq: if i may say so.........if you will allow me to be so bold..................i apologize for my forwardness.............perhaps someone might look upon colors...........and have an opinion on them................and if i were to do such a thing..............perhaps i might think that gold accents are nice

placid cosmos May 23, 2019, 2:08 PM

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tariq is my fav cryptid

civic birch May 23, 2019, 8:09 PM

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YEAH WHEN VOLF TALKS FOR THE FIRST TIME

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I think I flung myself back from my computer like HHHHHH???!!!

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~~first and ... only time ... he has such a nice voice tho ...~~

spark cloud May 23, 2019, 8:23 PM

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he's such a show off

hardy orchid May 23, 2019, 9:41 PM

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Hey guys

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a question

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about to start playing Pyre

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Mouse and Keyboard or Controller?

wide river May 23, 2019, 9:42 PM

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i prefer controller

mild falcon May 23, 2019, 9:45 PM

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Mkb is totally functional once you learn the buttons

upbeat sage May 23, 2019, 9:46 PM

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Entirely preference

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I would try both and use the one you find most comfy

hardy orchid May 23, 2019, 9:50 PM

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another question then . I've broken right trigger on my controller. It doesn't have levels of activation (meaning, when i play some car game, i cannot accelerate slowly. i stay in place or go pedal to the metal). Is it a problem in Pyre or is there no action that needs this feature?

wide river May 23, 2019, 9:51 PM

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that shouldn't be a problem, if i'm remembering the keybinds right?

boreal shuttle May 23, 2019, 9:51 PM

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Right trigger is sprint on or off, no need for analogue

hardy orchid May 23, 2019, 9:52 PM

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great then !

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last question then

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I've bought every super giant game for storytelling/grahic and music design more than gameplay. Despite this, i loved the bastion gameplay, while not really being a fan of transistor gameplay

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Is Pyre similar to any of this games?

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I've played Hades too*

upbeat sage May 23, 2019, 9:53 PM

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Nope, completely differant

boreal shuttle May 23, 2019, 9:53 PM

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Pyre is rather different

hardy orchid May 23, 2019, 9:54 PM

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Considering today's games market, it's rather refreshing then 😄

boreal shuttle May 23, 2019, 9:54 PM

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I used to be transistor > bastion, appreciating pyre but I hadnt gotten far

mild falcon May 23, 2019, 9:54 PM

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Actually, for those who know more, does pyre play similarly to those yearly release team sport games?

boreal shuttle May 23, 2019, 9:54 PM

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Im here because I'm at the credits now

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And turns out pyre is a bit of a masterpiece

hardy orchid May 23, 2019, 9:54 PM

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xD

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well, let's find out then 😄

upbeat sage May 23, 2019, 9:55 PM

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Dunno I don't normally play sportsball games

boreal shuttle May 23, 2019, 9:56 PM

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Its well, much smaller scale than real sports

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And an rpg to an extend but that seems to be the case for fifa and such as well these days...

wide river May 23, 2019, 9:58 PM

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pyre is kinda what you'd get if you nailed a visual novel and a sportsball game together, except actually good

upbeat sage May 23, 2019, 9:58 PM

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^^^

wide river May 23, 2019, 9:58 PM

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it also has the benefit of not actually requiring you to win the sportsball side of it to continue in the story

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you might not get the ending you want for the characters you like, but it's not like the game says "no" and makes you replay the match if you do poorly

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the only failure is to stray from the path, and all

boreal shuttle May 23, 2019, 10:01 PM

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This was prob the best handled ending in a choice-y game ever

lime mural May 23, 2019, 10:58 PM

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Oh yeah

torn bolt May 24, 2019, 1:26 AM

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someone has mentioned the titans in the hades channel several times now and all i can think is ??? what are the greater titans doing in greek mythology???

onyx forum May 24, 2019, 2:10 AM

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same

torn bolt May 24, 2019, 2:11 AM

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hades but it's escape from the downside and you get boons from the scribes......

onyx forum May 24, 2019, 2:12 AM

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YES..........

torn bolt May 24, 2019, 2:13 AM

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none of them are straight up transfers of existing gods except gol golathanian

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who would absolutely just have the same boons athena does, change my mind

onyx forum May 24, 2019, 2:15 AM

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If Youre Going To Get Hit. Dont

torn bolt May 24, 2019, 2:17 AM

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he has a Shield........

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it's right there.........

spark cloud May 24, 2019, 2:56 AM

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scribe boons: you can now read

onyx forum May 24, 2019, 2:57 AM

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(dies and the boon wears off) aw man,

spark cloud May 24, 2019, 3:00 AM

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what's up i'm zag i'm 19 and i never learned how to read

fluid flax May 24, 2019, 3:36 AM

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Alternately, he's escaping from the downside the old fashioned way. Instead of keepsakes, you pick your triumvirate

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Catch me bringing Thanatos and Meg, the most intimidating backup you've ever seen. You don't even do the rites half the time because everyone's too scared of you.

young fjord May 24, 2019, 3:39 AM

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Thanatos special abilities: Instabanishes foes, but is banished for the rest of the Rite if you talk to him

fluid flax May 24, 2019, 3:40 AM

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Okay, so he's either S-tier, or, for most of the thirsty people on this discord, D-tier...

spark cloud May 24, 2019, 3:55 AM

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cerberus is his own triumvirate

young fjord May 24, 2019, 3:55 AM

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We've definitely had this conversation before squirtdevious

fluid flax May 24, 2019, 4:03 AM

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Yeah, if you use Cerberus, Zag is the ball

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And now we understand why Cerberus is so sad about letting it go.

civic birch May 24, 2019, 8:06 AM

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thought, apropos of nothing

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oralech: when i die, i want volfred to lower my coffin into the grave
oralech: so he can let me down one last time

civic birch May 25, 2019, 12:16 AM

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Hey you know what still gets me

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The fact that if you tell Jodariel she intimidates you, her response is "good. I should", but she loses Hope

spark cloud May 25, 2019, 12:18 AM

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😭 mom

civic birch May 25, 2019, 12:18 AM

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And if you tell her you feel safer around her, she responds "hmph. You'll learn", but she gains Hope

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I dunno why that just gets me feeling some kinda way

spark cloud May 25, 2019, 12:18 AM

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when stats give you feelings

civic birch May 25, 2019, 12:19 AM

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I MEAN ... IN PYRE ...

torn bolt May 25, 2019, 12:19 AM

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stats give me So Many Feelings in pyre

spark cloud May 25, 2019, 12:19 AM

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mechanical details that give you feelings are so good

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like that's video games babe 👌

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Hope: 1

torn bolt May 25, 2019, 12:19 AM

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that's video games !

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udmildhe has lost 5 hope .... permanently (!)

civic birch May 25, 2019, 12:20 AM

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OOGH

spark cloud May 25, 2019, 12:20 AM

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the uhhhhh the falcon ron event that makes everyone lose hope

civic birch May 25, 2019, 12:20 AM

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Falcon ron debuff ...

spark cloud May 25, 2019, 12:20 AM

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god damn you ron

civic birch May 25, 2019, 12:21 AM

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Big feelings about ... jodariel's arc in re fate or the inevitable

torn bolt May 25, 2019, 12:21 AM

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that was such a FUNNY scene

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i also like when the scribes give you their blessings :'>

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like the first fork on the way to the spring of jomuer where chae predicts what your path holds if you go either way and then you got a blessing was :0

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stephen playing pyre for the first time: pyre .... is fun

spark cloud May 25, 2019, 12:22 AM

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when you hear ti'zo's words on alodiel <3 <3 <3

torn bolt May 25, 2019, 12:22 AM

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YES .....

spark cloud May 25, 2019, 12:23 AM

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and also how during mae's prayers her words are perfectly clear

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h

torn bolt May 25, 2019, 12:23 AM

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ti'zo: hello, old friend! i hope you and great grandfather are doing okay up with the stars!
gol golathanian yelling into the other room: HA'UB YOUR BOY IS ON THE PHONE !

silk knoll May 25, 2019, 12:23 AM

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khjgjkikolpojihujy

torn bolt May 25, 2019, 12:23 AM

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also yes

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chae ..... what an autistic icon

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scribes are like. when one of the old people has a grandson and their friends are like ah ! how are they doing !

civic birch May 25, 2019, 12:34 AM

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I feel like ... in the beginning Jodi is kind of. Resigned to the downside (& i think that resignation is partially implicated in demon transformation)

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Like ... she's the blackwagon's Protector, she'll stand by rukey and hedwyn (& the Reader, & mae, & ... ) but I don't think she expects anyone will do the same for her when the time comes

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(After all isn't that how she was exiled)

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(Saving someone else, at her own expense ... )

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(She knew the consequences then and she knows them now)

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I don't think she wants anyone to

spark cloud May 25, 2019, 12:38 AM

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she has different lines for liberation depending on if she goes first

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if she goes first she's basically like, why me, i don't deserve this...

civic birch May 25, 2019, 12:38 AM

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Oh ... :0

spark cloud May 25, 2019, 12:38 AM

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if she goes later she's more okay with it

civic birch May 25, 2019, 12:38 AM

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I can never Liberate her first because pam is so mean to her about it

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ALSO NOOOOOOO ;0; JODIII ...

mild falcon May 25, 2019, 12:39 AM

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i guess the question is "what does hope mean to the story"
if you tell her she's not scary, she disagrees with you, but she's hopeful that she can be accepted

civic birch May 25, 2019, 12:40 AM

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People who are being mean keep calling her 'old' and 'slow' & i ... don't think she disagrees, really

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She's been in the Downside for a long damn time

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We know she has a lot of chronic pains, some of which predate her exile

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She is grouchy and prickly and cynical; she's not immediately likable like Hedwyn or Rukey

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I don't know where I'm going with this just that she's really clutches chest HHHNNNNGH,

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MY LOVE ...

spark cloud May 25, 2019, 12:46 AM

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jodi is love

silk knoll May 25, 2019, 1:06 AM

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love is stored...............in the jodi

civic birch May 25, 2019, 1:09 AM

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LOVE IS STORED IN THE JODI

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& SHE NEEDS TO KNOW HOW LOVED SHE IS IN RETURN 😭 😍

thick carbon May 25, 2019, 1:39 AM

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pyre where it’s exactly the same but tizo is the one to speak perfect English

blissful trench May 25, 2019, 1:39 AM

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complete with oxford accent

spark cloud May 25, 2019, 1:39 AM

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ti'zo leads the rebellion and becomes prime minister

thick carbon May 25, 2019, 1:40 AM

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he does the very bad griffin McElroy British accent lol

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tizomg : “Oi you dun messed up, haven’tcha????”

silk knoll May 25, 2019, 3:05 AM

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god it so is

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legit just been listening to the soundtrack over and over all day 2day

young folio May 25, 2019, 3:26 AM

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@rain wren i agree with the sentiment 1000% but please dont try to bypass the swear filter!!

undone briar May 26, 2019, 9:13 PM

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Justin's evil voice would work so well on a super lame god

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(The gold guy from ok ko/when he was exposed to all that culture)

onyx forum May 26, 2019, 9:15 PM

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justin mcelroy will be in hades: a podcast

spark cloud May 26, 2019, 9:45 PM

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the god of podcasts

onyx forum May 26, 2019, 9:55 PM

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godcast

spark cloud May 26, 2019, 10:43 PM

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podcastius, greek god of podcasts

civic birch May 27, 2019, 1:07 AM

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Im in a mood to draw some Noxalas but idk what to draw

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Someone wanna give me suggestions/requests?

spark cloud May 27, 2019, 1:07 AM

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i want to see......my good boy hedwyn

civic birch May 27, 2019, 1:08 AM

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Oh For Sure

stray jolt May 27, 2019, 1:09 AM

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hedwyn and his girl being cute

civic birch May 27, 2019, 1:09 AM

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YEAH

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LOVE A FIKANI ...

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I'll have to figure out how to draw her but Yes

midnight hawk May 27, 2019, 1:12 AM

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pam n bertie hangin out

onyx forum May 27, 2019, 1:13 AM

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oh a hedwyn.....

blissful trench May 27, 2019, 1:20 AM

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Pyre is full of strong ladies and sensitive men and that is my JAM

torn bolt May 27, 2019, 1:26 AM

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a hedwyn ......

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let me romance hedwyn ....... please .......

civic birch May 27, 2019, 1:28 AM

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🅱lease

silk knoll May 27, 2019, 2:02 AM

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oh hedwyn loving hours

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(aka: all the time)

torn bolt May 27, 2019, 2:04 AM

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hedwyn loving hours is Always

lethal cipher May 27, 2019, 2:35 AM

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I have a question, for any one who's interested and has played the game. Is there any true reason to replay through this game, for such as an alternate ending or future? Are the endings vastly different if you do different things? Is there multiple endings?

upbeat sage May 27, 2019, 2:36 AM

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Differant character interactions you get from choosing differant dialogue options

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That's the biggest draw to replaying the game for me

torn bolt May 27, 2019, 2:37 AM

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^ there's a lot of backstory, lore, interaction, and dialogue to get and you can't see it all in one playthrough

lethal cipher May 27, 2019, 2:38 AM

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But at what scale is it different? Will I get maybe 5 more lines of dialogue from a specific character if I don't liberate them, for example?

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Thanks for the help provided, anyways

stray jolt May 27, 2019, 2:40 AM

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the commonwealth falling ending doesn't change much, the real meat is in the individual endings

onyx forum May 27, 2019, 2:40 AM

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fir me the biggest replay draw is the different scenarios you can bring to life by leaving certain groups of characters up/down!

stray jolt May 27, 2019, 2:40 AM

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which change depending on which other characters are liberated or not, or if some characters interacted enough before the end

onyx forum May 27, 2019, 2:41 AM

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i love the rubiks-cube-ness of "oh, well, X went up, so i have to keep Y down, but make sure Z gets up, but if Z gets up Y would have to go too....hm, A can go"

lethal cipher May 27, 2019, 2:41 AM

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So there's no total completion that I can get of seeing all the endings?

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That's kind of saddening...

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Especially since the campaign took me roughly 14 hours

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Ah well. Thank you, 4 people who've responded

iron spoke May 27, 2019, 2:48 AM

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there's a huge amount of combinations of endings but they're all thematically more or less the same, it's not really a "good ending, neutral ending, bad ending" type dealio

civic birch May 27, 2019, 2:48 AM

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mhm

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~~one of the things that left me a bit dissatisfied, tbh~~

mild falcon May 27, 2019, 2:49 AM

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There are some terrible endings for individual characters

stray jolt May 27, 2019, 2:50 AM

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also the different lyrics in bound together

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👌

silk knoll May 27, 2019, 2:50 AM

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the first time i heard the album version it hurt me so bad

stray jolt May 27, 2019, 2:51 AM

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it's okay there are all liberated versions online, so i can live out my fantasy of everyone being free

silk knoll May 27, 2019, 2:57 AM

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do..... you have a link....

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wait ive found one ty ty

stray jolt May 27, 2019, 2:59 AM

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https://www.youtube.com/user/Tony123C/videos

YouTube

ggw1776

whatever

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they're on this channel

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also there's a never to return prototype as well

silk knoll May 27, 2019, 2:59 AM

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:o!!! thank you so much!!

mild falcon May 27, 2019, 3:09 AM

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Curstd idea: ring toss but on oralech

silk knoll May 27, 2019, 3:09 AM

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hhhhhhhhhh

onyx forum May 27, 2019, 3:10 AM

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good

stray jolt May 27, 2019, 3:10 AM

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curstd idea: self toss off mountain

civic birch May 27, 2019, 3:12 AM

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dfgfjhg

grim veldt May 27, 2019, 3:19 AM

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Picked up hades yesterday so i felt like i should finish this finally. Absolutely beautiful game. Lost the first rite so left Volfrud, *ae, Tizo, and the reader behind

stray jolt May 27, 2019, 3:24 AM

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it's okay, you can say rhae!

silk knoll May 27, 2019, 3:26 AM

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i always name her xae lmao

mild falcon May 27, 2019, 3:26 AM

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That's a good set of friends to stay back

silk knoll May 27, 2019, 3:26 AM

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good fronds..

zinc river May 27, 2019, 3:32 AM

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When Tariq and Celeste sing about who found their way home and who remained till the end [insert image of Michael Jordon crying]

silk knoll May 27, 2019, 3:33 AM

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YWAH....

zinc river May 27, 2019, 3:33 AM

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I just beat pyre and UGH

stray jolt May 27, 2019, 3:34 AM

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i think my first time i left jodi, gilman, and volfred (because i was just a SLIVER away from enough enlightenment)

zinc river May 27, 2019, 3:34 AM

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If y'all are wondering, I sent back the primary 3 (jodi, rukey, hedwyn) Gilman, Tamitha, Oldheart, and Volfred

grim veldt May 27, 2019, 3:36 AM

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Part of my reasoning for volfrud and the reader staying is to show commitment to the revolution and not personal freedom

silk knoll May 27, 2019, 3:36 AM

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i sent back hedwyn, jodi, (failed twice) xae, rukey, and mr.mountain man

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yeah i feel u

zinc river May 27, 2019, 3:37 AM

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I keep forgetting that Shae's name changes depending on what you choose

grim veldt May 27, 2019, 3:37 AM

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To prove the voice wrong for calling volfrud the deceiver

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Mine was Fae

stray jolt May 27, 2019, 3:37 AM

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rhae gang

zinc river May 27, 2019, 3:38 AM

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I didn't send __ae back cause I didn't feel like society would embrace her, Commonwealth or otherwise

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But I do kinda regret separating her and jodi

civic birch May 27, 2019, 3:40 AM

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i sent Mae home first of all, because Hedwyn was the only character I'd thought of liberating and he was sad about it

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so then I had to send home the three original Nightwings because Love Them, and Mae needs her Mom™

zinc river May 27, 2019, 3:41 AM

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I sent Gilman home because he is my boi™ and he needed that self-respect yo

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I wish I sent Shae home, I did really regret not doing that in the end

civic birch May 27, 2019, 3:42 AM

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i think in my first (thus far only) run I liberated Mae, Rukey, Hedwyn, Jodi, Pamitha, Tamitha (lost Rite) and the Reader

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i have ... a Reader OC whose character/themes make the "near miss" ending (losing the rite to Oralech, but accepting freedom when he offers it) really satisfying (with volfred & bertrude also remaining behind)

zinc river May 27, 2019, 3:45 AM

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Readersonas are valid

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~~I should make a readersona~~

lethal cipher May 27, 2019, 3:46 AM

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Did anyone let Ignarious go on the first liberation rite? I couldn't tell if it was his wife, daughter, or mother, but I felt like he needed to see them more than any of my individual exiles needed to go. The "I wonder if they'll even remember me" broke me.

silk knoll May 27, 2019, 3:46 AM

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i have a readersona i love it

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ouuh....

civic birch May 27, 2019, 3:47 AM

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OOOOFFFFF yeah i love iggy

silk knoll May 27, 2019, 3:47 AM

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i wanted to .. i really struggled w that...

civic birch May 27, 2019, 3:47 AM

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~~wish he wasn't Like That to jodi but what can you do~~

silk knoll May 27, 2019, 3:47 AM

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in the end my friends won out tho

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hnfkdg ya

zinc river May 27, 2019, 3:47 AM

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Yeahhhhh I really struggled with iggy, but I anointed jodi in the first rite and I love jodi so,,,

civic birch May 27, 2019, 3:48 AM

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JODI GOOD

zinc river May 27, 2019, 3:48 AM

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Jodi BEST

silk knoll May 27, 2019, 3:48 AM

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jodi bets

lethal cipher May 27, 2019, 3:48 AM

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I agree Jodariel is the best

civic birch May 27, 2019, 3:48 AM

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(do they count as a readersona if they're not that much of a self-insert ... )

silk knoll May 27, 2019, 3:48 AM

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group poker night

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they absolutely do

naive girder May 27, 2019, 3:49 AM

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just started pyre today.... loving it.

civic birch May 27, 2019, 3:49 AM

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my reader oc is a fifty-odd-year-old lesbian who used to be a weird harvest witch/augur so i guess that's basically where i would want to be in the pyre setting

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it's good game! i love the characters sm

naive girder May 27, 2019, 3:50 AM

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it's definitely very different from bastion and transistor... a risk, but

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i think it paid off

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definitely

lethal cipher May 27, 2019, 3:50 AM

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I love the concept of how demons work as well. Just having horns grow just because you've survived is absolutely amazing, in my eyes anyways

naive girder May 27, 2019, 3:51 AM

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such a radically different approach than supergiant's past games, yet it still pulls off such a compelling experience. im enjoying it a lot so far.

zinc river May 27, 2019, 3:52 AM

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I thought the controls were a wonky at first but I got used to them

civic birch May 27, 2019, 3:52 AM

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oh i have. thoughts about demon transformation and how/why it works

naive girder May 27, 2019, 3:52 AM

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were you using controller or keyboard?

zinc river May 27, 2019, 3:53 AM

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Keyboard

naive girder May 27, 2019, 3:53 AM

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i am using one as well. thinking of trying a controller and seeing how it compares.

civic birch May 27, 2019, 3:53 AM

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~~also concept: the same process happens to curs and the resulting spiky bulked-up curs are called 'hellhounds'~~

silk knoll May 27, 2019, 3:53 AM

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i also had a heck of a time getting used to the controls but i got there

naive girder May 27, 2019, 3:54 AM

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yeah definitely taking some getting used to

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but

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its a very unique combat system

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and i like it

lethal cipher May 27, 2019, 3:54 AM

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I never mastered throwing and taunting but otherwise I think it's relatively easy to get gud at

silk knoll May 27, 2019, 3:54 AM

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it is !!! i love it when things r funky fresh

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tbf i did go straight from "wasd" controls of bastion into it so

naive girder May 27, 2019, 3:54 AM

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ive always appreciated supergiant's abilities to not only not sacrifice gameplay for narrative and vise versa, but even manage to marry gameplay and narrative together in an incredible way

zinc river May 27, 2019, 3:55 AM

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You can taunt????

naive girder May 27, 2019, 3:55 AM

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exactly the way they should be married together

silk knoll May 27, 2019, 3:55 AM

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i was still in "press the buttons to move" and it Didnt Work.

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yeah!

zinc river May 27, 2019, 3:55 AM

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What to chef???

spark cloud May 27, 2019, 3:55 AM

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not gud enough to taunt

silk knoll May 27, 2019, 3:55 AM

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that was at robert but u Can taunt/salute

spark cloud May 27, 2019, 3:55 AM

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but i could honk

naive girder May 27, 2019, 3:55 AM

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oh i used a controller for bastion and transistor

silk knoll May 27, 2019, 3:55 AM

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i wish i was u

spark cloud May 27, 2019, 3:55 AM

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honk the blackwagon horn while flying that is

silk knoll May 27, 2019, 3:55 AM

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oh mood

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wait did u write that fick

naive girder May 27, 2019, 3:55 AM

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bastion and transistor were absolutely made for a controller control scheme. no doubt about it.

silk knoll May 27, 2019, 3:55 AM

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fic

naive girder May 27, 2019, 3:56 AM

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pyre seems more preference

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than being made for one or the other

spark cloud May 27, 2019, 3:56 AM

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sadly rukey took my bell ringer

lethal cipher May 27, 2019, 3:56 AM

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Mind this Robert ||My only regret is that I couldn't befriend the voice. He even said he considered me a friend.||

spark cloud May 27, 2019, 3:56 AM

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i just wanted to make loud sounds

silk knoll May 27, 2019, 3:56 AM

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hahahahaha

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okay its bedtime fr me! have fun friends, night

naive girder May 27, 2019, 3:57 AM

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night

zinc river May 27, 2019, 3:57 AM

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Goodnight!

silk knoll May 27, 2019, 3:57 AM

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👋

grim veldt May 27, 2019, 3:58 AM

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Also had to remap all the controls and felt more comfortable with the controller

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Roughly mapped to what it would be as a pure basketball game

zinc river May 27, 2019, 4:01 AM

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Idk how I feel about the "click to move" style on pc but I was too lazy to change it

civic birch May 27, 2019, 4:01 AM

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click to move is ... not great for me, that was one thing that constantly threw meoff

lethal cipher May 27, 2019, 4:02 AM

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~~here the keyboard and mouse reign~~

naive girder May 27, 2019, 4:03 AM

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does controller also have click to move?

zinc river May 27, 2019, 4:03 AM

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Probably not but idk

young fjord May 27, 2019, 4:07 AM

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Controller is not click to move, no. You move with the analog stick

zinc river May 27, 2019, 4:08 AM

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Honestly I think Pyre should've moved with the wasd keys and used the mouse to pass/switch characters and throw

dusk dirge May 27, 2019, 4:08 AM

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nah i think you need the tighter angles

young fjord May 27, 2019, 4:08 AM

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I've only ever played with a controller, so couldn't say. You're probably right, though

civic birch May 27, 2019, 8:58 AM

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how does the hedwyn/fikani reunion even go. like i know there aren't that many harps but how does hedwyn FIND her

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i have ... volfredthink thoughts but they're wholly self-indulgent

mild falcon May 27, 2019, 8:59 AM

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he asks around...

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i see the potential for a great story

civic birch May 27, 2019, 8:59 AM

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by the time the Commonwealth is overthrown, if Hedwyn is on the surface, he's found her

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which is ... potentially a fair while for him to track her down depending on when he's liberated. like a few years

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or, like, a couple weeks if he goes last, which is equally kind of funny

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TRACKING DOWN OLD GF AT THE SPEED OF SOUND

mild falcon May 27, 2019, 9:00 AM

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two weeks with the highwings

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he's too busy with gf search to deal with the plan at all, but his actions have unintended consequences that end up saving the plan unknowingly

civic birch May 27, 2019, 9:02 AM

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dshfjkhsdfj

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listen he's been in the Downside for what, six years when you meet him, so prolly at least 10 years total in that scenario

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he's earned some gf time

mild falcon May 27, 2019, 9:03 AM

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oh i do not blame him...

civic birch May 27, 2019, 9:07 AM

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~~but listen like ... hedwyn captured by highwings who do Not know him and don't trust some rando bloodborder nomad, a soldier, who's obviously looking for them~~

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~~they spare his life 'cause he mentions Fikani by name, & by this time she's some midranking Highwing officer, enough to prove that he at least knows what he's talking about~~

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so they bring him in front of fikani as a prisoner and she just. 😳 ‼ ‼ ‼ HEDWYN

mild falcon May 27, 2019, 9:10 AM

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i was imagining more of a journey with plenty of hijinks, but i like your ending

civic birch May 27, 2019, 9:10 AM

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hehehe

mild falcon May 27, 2019, 9:12 AM

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"yeah of course we know fikani, she's our boss."
note on desk: sorry i had an important errand to run over in the encampment on the other side of the mountains.... dont burn the place down without me >;P -fikani

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some lowranking harp draws the shortest straw and has to walk hedwyn over

civic birch May 27, 2019, 9:15 AM

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hjfkd

mild falcon May 27, 2019, 9:22 AM

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...hedwyn hears some nasty noises from creatures in the distance while camping out

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he gets scared in his chains until the bored lady scoffs and explains that those critters are harmless, a concept that hedwyn hasn't thought of in a long time

civic birch May 27, 2019, 9:24 AM

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oof

mild falcon May 27, 2019, 9:35 AM

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Oh... oh no

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Fikani thought she'd never see hedwyn ever again

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Hedwyn knew at some point that he had a chance of coming home but she was completely in the dark

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... the "errand" she was running was her yearly visit to the shrine she made in his memory

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😢

wide river May 27, 2019, 9:45 AM

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"a few years" how long do you think the game lasts jfghkdjkkd

old geyser May 27, 2019, 10:27 AM

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I mean to my knowledge the “until the stars align” is pretty ambiguous, but I last played a long while ago

spiral osprey May 27, 2019, 10:27 AM

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technically the game does occur over a set time period

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volfred starts tracking dates in his journal

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the calendar is mostly a remnant from an earlier draft of the game that used a day by day travel system though so i think it's valid to headcanon what you want

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for anyone who wants to know tho: ||the game starts on Tudiem, the 16th of Sixthmoon, 837 A.S. and ends towards the end of Twelfthmoon, 837 A.S., or beginning of Firstmoon, 838 A.S. about a month elapses each time you stay at the moonlight alcove, but because these intervals are randomized, the end date can vary. however, the events of the game will never take more than 6-7 months, in in-universe time||

torn bolt May 27, 2019, 12:12 PM

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huh, kinda weird that it says 'many moons pass' when you wait for time to pass, then, if that's how long it is

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does kind of vindicate my initial feeling that it was at most a couple of months each time, though

onyx forum May 27, 2019, 12:14 PM

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yeah the many moons thing is like a weird "hey....no it isnt" jhgvjkgjk

torn bolt May 27, 2019, 12:15 PM

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[tariq voice] many moons have passed--
reader: it's been like four weeks

spiral osprey May 27, 2019, 12:15 PM

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someone said maybe a moon is just one night gkdfjghdf

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like yep! the moon sure did pass

torn bolt May 27, 2019, 12:15 PM

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ffhgsjk maybe but then why are the months called sixthmoon, seventhmoon, etc

spiral osprey May 27, 2019, 12:16 PM

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oh it wasn't a serious suggestion

torn bolt May 27, 2019, 12:16 PM

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tariq is hamming it up when he retells it

onyx forum May 27, 2019, 12:16 PM

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tariq: did enough moons pass or should i walk by again
volfred: yeah guys i think he should walk by again 👀

torn bolt May 27, 2019, 12:16 PM

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hee!

blissful trench May 27, 2019, 1:33 PM

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Reader: (sitting doing nothing while Tariq wanders aimlessly around the wagon)
Volf: How long have you been sitting here?
Reader: Many moons have passed.
Tariq: it’s been about 20 minutes.

hardy orchid May 27, 2019, 4:52 PM

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Hey guys, one question

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i've almsot completed a game i guess

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am going to libverate 6th or 7th excile

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and the pyre of my enemies seems closed?

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i mean

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even if i go in, it doesnt extenguish

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is thhis scripted or bug of some sorts

pliant sigil May 27, 2019, 4:54 PM

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there's one event where ||the opposite triumvirate doesnt show up|| near the end of the game

mild falcon May 27, 2019, 4:56 PM

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Sometimes the pyre hitbox can be a bit jank, but it might be a bug

hardy orchid May 27, 2019, 4:59 PM

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it's the event that
"something funny happens with the orb"

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ok

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i restarted

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and it is normal now

boreal shuttle May 27, 2019, 6:30 PM

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Not sure if it's been mentioned but there's also a scene between pamitha and hedwyn where, if they're both freed, she promises to contact fikani for him

spark cloud May 27, 2019, 6:40 PM

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oh so the days of the week do exist in pyre

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lovely

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but the months are seventhmoon and eighthmoon or whatever cause otherwise the implication that julius caesar existed in the pyre world is too wack

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but the months are seventhmoon and eighthmoon or whatever cause otherwise the implication that julius caesar existed in the pyre world is too wack

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archjustice julius caesar stabbed by thirty justices

onyx forum May 27, 2019, 6:42 PM

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hfjvhjfhjj he was soliam's dad

stray jolt May 27, 2019, 7:09 PM

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he got spiked on 30 times

civic birch May 27, 2019, 7:20 PM

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I ... don't like the fact that the game only takes 7 months. What

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Those stars are moving awful fast

onyx forum May 27, 2019, 7:20 PM

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zzzzzip

civic birch May 27, 2019, 7:20 PM

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I really liked the idea that a Liberation Rite normally only happens, like, once a year

onyx forum May 27, 2019, 7:21 PM

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yeah, normally its probably much longer

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the current nightwings out there speedrunning it....

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i like to think its longer tho bc. more time w fwiends ;u;

civic birch May 27, 2019, 7:23 PM

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yeah

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Nightwings scrambling all over the Downside to yeet as many revolutionaries back topside as possible to the theme of yakety sax

onyx forum May 27, 2019, 7:24 PM

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GHFCGHFCGFGHJ

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benny hill theme

civic birch May 27, 2019, 7:27 PM

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Yeah tho I'm sticking with my belief that it's one lib rite per year at first

mild falcon May 27, 2019, 7:33 PM

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wacky how fast you form a bond with the nightwings

civic birch May 27, 2019, 7:38 PM

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Hedwyn: we hauled this person back from the brink of death. we need their skills to help us and they have no reason to betray us, but otherwise they're pretty cryptic and we know almost nothing about them
Hedwyn, to Volfred, like three weeks later: THE READER IS OUR FRIEND,

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No actually that's perfectly in character for Hedwyn "Fikani, I met you ten seconds ago but you're the love of my life" Nolastname

spark cloud May 27, 2019, 7:40 PM

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hedwyn jodariel

civic birch May 27, 2019, 7:40 PM

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HEDWYN JODARIEL ;o;

onyx forum May 27, 2019, 7:42 PM

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AWWW

vestal bluff May 27, 2019, 8:49 PM

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If Jodi really did adopt him then that’d be his name

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‘Cause her first name is canonically Captain

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Bound Together says so

civic birch May 27, 2019, 8:51 PM

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hehehee

vestal bluff May 27, 2019, 9:05 PM

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So, I guess, eventually, we end up with either ‘Fikani Jodariel’ or ‘Hedwyn Shang’, depending on whose tradition they go with?

civic birch May 27, 2019, 9:06 PM

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Oh I do like "hedwyn shang"

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Can ... a human and a Harp have kids? 🤔

placid cosmos May 27, 2019, 9:07 PM

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harp with leg

civic birch May 27, 2019, 9:07 PM

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There's magic in this setting so maybe not overthink it

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Lil ginger birdy kids ...

placid cosmos May 27, 2019, 9:08 PM

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harp with leg

vestal bluff May 27, 2019, 9:10 PM

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The Harps and us do have a common ancestor

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“Us”, I say, assuming you’re all human

stray jolt May 27, 2019, 9:11 PM

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i mean, if harps and humans can't breed that's very bad news

vestal bluff May 27, 2019, 9:12 PM

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Not very bad news, really. They could just take after Jodi and adopt a whole tonne of orphans

civic birch May 27, 2019, 9:12 PM

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Bad news how?

vestal bluff May 27, 2019, 9:13 PM

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Means they wouldn’t get to start a family together, but there’s other options for sure

civic birch May 27, 2019, 9:13 PM

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Yeah, for sure

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There've gotta be plenty of Harp orphans, given the whole Highwing ... situation

stray jolt May 27, 2019, 9:14 PM

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no i mean the one harp prince thing

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though my memory might be failing me

civic birch May 27, 2019, 9:14 PM

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Honestly at the "one harp prince" thing I am. Doubt.png

vestal bluff May 27, 2019, 9:15 PM

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How so? You reckon they’re only the women left, or you reckon the men just keep outta sight and the Prince is a rumour?

civic birch May 27, 2019, 9:15 PM

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I think the men keep out of sight, yeah

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I'm thinking like ... hawks, yknow

wide river May 27, 2019, 9:17 PM

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what has me real shadefear about the harps is that they're apparently few in number enough that "oh yeah, fikani, i don't even need a surname to recognise her" is a thing. like, yeah okay it's more narratively satisfying or whatever to have pam know fikani, but realistically speaking that paints real concerns about their numbers

stray jolt May 27, 2019, 9:17 PM

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i mean, i have no reason to not trust pam

vestal bluff May 27, 2019, 9:18 PM

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Fikani could just be a really uncommon given name?

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Or even a unique abbreviation of a longer name

stray jolt May 27, 2019, 9:19 PM

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or we could trust them at their word

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

wide river May 27, 2019, 9:19 PM

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Come on, Hedwyn... how many of us Harps do you think there are...?

vestal bluff May 27, 2019, 9:19 PM

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Oh, wow, forgot about that...

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We do know that the Commonwealth is militarily way stronger than the Highwings, and they’ve been fighting for some time already

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Being driven to the brink of extinction is a real possibility

wide river May 27, 2019, 9:23 PM

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yeah.... shadepensive

stray jolt May 27, 2019, 9:26 PM

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so hopefully harps and nomads can procreate cause otherwise...

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also i just want hedwyn and fikani to have a happy family

civic birch May 27, 2019, 10:19 PM

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They can have a happy family with their adopted kids, too

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But yeah oof

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I do tend to think that there's a distinction between Highwings and Harps as a whole, but ... yeah

zinc river May 27, 2019, 11:20 PM

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Sir Gilman is an amazing character change my mind

mild falcon May 28, 2019, 12:08 AM

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Lmao his character arc is "the hero's journey"

civic birch May 28, 2019, 12:09 AM

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Sir Gilman is excellent

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I love him

lethal cipher May 28, 2019, 12:15 AM

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Did anyone feel he was worthy of saving? People like Rukey had families and Jodariel was a merciful captain that took care of orphans. Then... We have a guy who wants his honor back. Although admirable isn't it rather shallow relative to the other characters?

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Gilman I mean

spark cloud May 28, 2019, 12:18 AM

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he's part of a race indebted to the cw and all trained to fight, and taught that honor is everything that matters and that their lives have little value beyond being cannon fodder

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it's a big deal for him

lethal cipher May 28, 2019, 12:19 AM

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I suppose that was a more important aspect

zinc river May 28, 2019, 12:19 AM

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I felt that Gilman deserved to earn a little self respect since what he did wasn't really his fault

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I guess that aspect hit me hard cause I always doubt and blame myself all the time

civic birch May 28, 2019, 12:20 AM

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His "honor" isn't just wanting his honor back, it's ... learning how to function outside a strict hierarchical structure and constant war

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Mhm mhm nods with Sammy

spark cloud May 28, 2019, 12:20 AM

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he learns that in his personal ending either way

civic birch May 28, 2019, 12:20 AM

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It's completely redefining his worldview from everything he's been taught in his life

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I think Gilman is a character I'm fine with his Downside ending since he seems perfectly happy either way

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I just take issue with calling his character arc more "shallow"

zinc river May 28, 2019, 12:21 AM

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^^

mild falcon May 28, 2019, 12:21 AM

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His arc is certainly simpler

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It would feel wrong to free him before he goes through it

zinc river May 28, 2019, 12:21 AM

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Ye

lethal cipher May 28, 2019, 12:22 AM

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Finding out who you are as a person and regaining yourself are noble goals indeed, I wasn't trying to spit on that. I suppose the better question would be is it better to have him go or to have him help his friends and such.

civic birch May 28, 2019, 12:24 AM

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Mhm. That's fair

lethal cipher May 28, 2019, 12:24 AM

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Probably what I was really meaning to say anyways

torn bolt May 28, 2019, 12:28 AM

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do we have a source for 'the sea dominion/wyrms are indebted to the commonwealth'? 👀 i don't think i got that convo

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if there is one

lethal cipher May 28, 2019, 12:34 AM

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Might have to just play through the game again ha ha ha. I wonder if there's any way to tell besides that anyways

spark cloud May 28, 2019, 12:36 AM

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ok i might have exaggerated

civic birch May 28, 2019, 12:36 AM

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Some people have datamined

spark cloud May 28, 2019, 12:36 AM

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it may be the case that wyrms join the commonwealth army out of free will

civic birch May 28, 2019, 12:37 AM

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I thought it was more of an alliance situation

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Like the sea-dominion has its own military structure but it sends worm companies out to aid Commonwealth endeavors

spark cloud May 28, 2019, 12:37 AM

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how do you get wyrms like deluge in that situation though ...

civic birch May 28, 2019, 12:38 AM

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I don't think he's the guy in charge of which wyrms get sent where

spark cloud May 28, 2019, 12:40 AM

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yeah i guess it's not accurate to say all wyrms or even a majority of wyrms serve the commonwealth

civic birch May 28, 2019, 12:41 AM

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Greatest hedwyn/fikani tragedy: can't hold hands ...

spark cloud May 28, 2019, 12:41 AM

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but the sea-dominion is described as war-torn

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they probably have their own constant sea turf wars going on unrelated to the commonwealth

civic birch May 28, 2019, 12:42 AM

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nods

spark cloud May 28, 2019, 12:42 AM

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birds have no hands......

civic birch May 28, 2019, 12:42 AM

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I think they're also a prey species for just about everything bigger than them

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Harps eat them and Sir Gilman doesn't seem especially bothered by that

spark cloud May 28, 2019, 12:43 AM

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at least wyrms seem to think that harps eat them

civic birch May 28, 2019, 12:44 AM

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I don't remember Pamitha contradicting him

onyx forum May 28, 2019, 12:44 AM

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hedwyn and fikani hold feet

civic birch May 28, 2019, 12:44 AM

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SHSHDJSHFJSHFJS ...

spark cloud May 28, 2019, 12:45 AM

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:(

civic birch May 28, 2019, 12:45 AM

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NOO ...

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But they still can't walk and hold hands bc fikani would have to hop on one leg

onyx forum May 28, 2019, 12:46 AM

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she carries him

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flies

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example

📎 hedfik.png

placid cosmos May 28, 2019, 12:49 AM

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wrong reactio nghjdfgf

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thats

civic birch May 28, 2019, 12:49 AM

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HFJSJFHJSHDHSJHJAHDHJAHDHDJF

mild falcon May 28, 2019, 12:53 AM

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Hedwyn introduces fikani to all his new friends, fikani reflexively chomps up gilman

spark cloud May 28, 2019, 12:54 AM

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i'm sorry if you're introduced to a stranger holding a chocolate cake do you just dive face first into it

civic birch May 28, 2019, 12:54 AM

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:v

spark cloud May 28, 2019, 12:54 AM

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show some restraint

mild falcon May 28, 2019, 12:54 AM

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She knows he doesn't eat wyrm

civic birch May 28, 2019, 12:56 AM

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I don't think they're prone to eat wyrms alive either

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Or, well.

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I don't know and I don't like to think about that.

lethal cipher May 28, 2019, 1:02 AM

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Is there any really good remixes or assortments of the music to this game? Just curious and interested, and have seen mostly unsuccessful searches

spark cloud May 28, 2019, 1:05 AM

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russian covers

young folio May 28, 2019, 1:29 AM

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@lethal cipher theres this? https://materiacollective.bandcamp.com/album/exile-a-tribute-to-supergiant-games

Materia Collective

EXILE: A Tribute to Supergiant Games, by Materia Collective

49 track album

onyx forum May 28, 2019, 1:30 AM

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this looks sooooooo so cool btw

young folio May 28, 2019, 1:30 AM

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RIGHT...

lethal cipher May 28, 2019, 1:31 AM

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That is cool, thanks!

mild falcon May 28, 2019, 6:25 AM

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is the pyre problem the race thing?

spiral osprey May 28, 2019, 6:25 AM

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hahaha

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i mean my biggest and saltiest issue is and will always be how jodi got treated lol

mild falcon May 28, 2019, 6:26 AM

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re: iggy? or otherwise

spiral osprey May 28, 2019, 6:26 AM

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oh yes re: iggy but also the pronoun copout on her past partner was Weak™

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AAA video game weak

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dishonored 2,

civic birch May 28, 2019, 6:27 AM

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JODI HAD A PAST PARTNER?

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i don't think i got that conversation ...

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tizomg

spiral osprey May 28, 2019, 6:27 AM

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yeah you can ask her about it i believe

civic birch May 28, 2019, 6:27 AM

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O Heck

mild falcon May 28, 2019, 6:27 AM

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sgg games need more explicitly gay characters...

vernal harbor May 28, 2019, 6:27 AM

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I liberated her first so I probably missed that

spiral osprey May 28, 2019, 6:27 AM

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DISCLAIMER ITS BEEN A YEAR SINCE I'VE PLAYED PYRE

civic birch May 28, 2019, 6:27 AM

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📝 tizomg

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wrong. wrong emoji. fixed it

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i'm working on a jodireader fic this is important information

spiral osprey May 28, 2019, 6:28 AM

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i can, hold on can we put the salt on hold for 10 mins while i take pto and peace out

civic birch May 28, 2019, 6:28 AM

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oh for sure

spiral osprey May 28, 2019, 6:28 AM

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and then i can get Receipts

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but this school doesnt have wifi

civic birch May 28, 2019, 6:29 AM

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also i think pyre has a bigger problem in: re racial representation than in just using the term 'race' in the like. tabletop/mmo sense

spark cloud May 28, 2019, 6:29 AM

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it's in sparrow's archive channel

mild falcon May 28, 2019, 6:30 AM

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oh yeah, pyre doesnt handle race at ALL in any sense

civic birch May 28, 2019, 6:30 AM

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the naming of the 'savage' class sure is. hmm! don't like that!

also, jodi/pam replicating the "prudish white woman vs hypersexual dark-skinned woman" conflict, although at least the jodi-pam dynamic does dragon age 2 one better by giving them a legitimate reason to be in conflict

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and also they work it out eventually ...

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shakes fist at isabela and aveline. if you two can't get along i'm turning this party around i swear

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that's just the constant dragon age 2 mood though. in my head ive rewritten the character arcs from about halfway through act two onwards

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ANYWAY,

vernal harbor May 28, 2019, 6:32 AM

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(savage is probably from the commonwealth perspective, which are not good people)

spark cloud May 28, 2019, 6:32 AM

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something something coding vs allegory

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i put some video essays on for background noise earlier today and it was talking about that actually

civic birch May 28, 2019, 6:34 AM

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ooh? tizomg

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narrative analysis is my lifeblood

spark cloud May 28, 2019, 6:35 AM

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hhh yeah, lindsey ellis's video on bright, on some really bad fantasy race as real racial allegory

vernal harbor May 28, 2019, 6:35 AM

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(I totally did not think of the hypersexual dark skinned woman thing with pam because all I saw was bird, but now that you mention it I finally see her breast window)

civic birch May 28, 2019, 6:36 AM

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oh! didn't lindsay ellis used to be the nostalgia chick, or was that someone else?

vernal harbor May 28, 2019, 6:36 AM

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yes

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that was her

civic birch May 28, 2019, 6:36 AM

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aw i used to love her stuff, i'm glad she's still doing videos

spiral osprey May 28, 2019, 6:36 AM

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She makes real good stuff

spark cloud May 28, 2019, 6:37 AM

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pyre is kinda ?? maybe?? not an explicit allegory but there are mix and match elements

spiral osprey May 28, 2019, 6:37 AM

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Shes nominated for a Hugo actually

spark cloud May 28, 2019, 6:37 AM

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i do hope she wins but i also want ao3 to win so i can technically be a hugo winner

spiral osprey May 28, 2019, 6:37 AM

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Pyre is like...you can assume a lot of the names and stereotypes are CW propaganda/prejudice but then the game doesn't like...offer any confirmation of that nor any alternatives to the CW narrative

vernal harbor May 28, 2019, 6:38 AM

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in real life, we do reclaim terms sometimes

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or ruin them

spiral osprey May 28, 2019, 6:38 AM

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right but how often do we even see characters in pyre using racial terms - other than harp, which comes up quite a lot

mild falcon May 28, 2019, 6:38 AM

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it's not presented as a problem that the revolution fixes in any way

spiral osprey May 28, 2019, 6:38 AM

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Wooooah uh sol ur gonna have to

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not

vernal harbor May 28, 2019, 6:39 AM

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I mentioned the q word and the n word as examples so I got a bot warning

spiral osprey May 28, 2019, 6:39 AM

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yeah

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but even in academic discussion i'd say the n word is off limits friend

vernal harbor May 28, 2019, 6:40 AM

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ok, can I use the q word since it is part of where I belong

spiral osprey May 28, 2019, 6:40 AM

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yeah the bot wasn't dinging queer

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anyways.

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i'm home now, gonna hunt for that jodi

spark cloud May 28, 2019, 6:41 AM

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it's like, as an asian person i see my situation reflected the most in the saps who are this... more tolerated model minority

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but are the saps coded asian uhhhhh no

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but still the flavor of how saps are treated are a little bit too specific to have been pulled out of a vacuum

mild falcon May 28, 2019, 6:42 AM

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would the game be better if they were explicitly asian? or am i misunderstanding you

spiral osprey May 28, 2019, 6:42 AM

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oh yuck i forgot this convo was about ignarius

spark cloud May 28, 2019, 6:43 AM

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it's definitely based on the model minority concept

vernal harbor May 28, 2019, 6:43 AM

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the minority with the positive discrimination?

spark cloud May 28, 2019, 6:43 AM

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nah

vernal harbor May 28, 2019, 6:43 AM

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like, assumed they are smart and hardworking and stuff?

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and most of all, obedient?

spark cloud May 28, 2019, 6:44 AM

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idk if it's better this way but at least it's fine

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yeah that, being a model minority also comes with being made to participate in the oppression of other groups, being held up to other groups as "why can't you be more like them", being used as an excuse for "see we're not racist we tolerate these groups", etc

vernal harbor May 28, 2019, 6:46 AM

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yeah

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though volfred is a firebrand

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and possibly gay

spiral osprey May 28, 2019, 6:47 AM

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i mean obviously it's their treatment by the commonwealth that evokes that social structure

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not the nature of the characters themselves

spark cloud May 28, 2019, 6:47 AM

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water is possibly wet

civic birch May 28, 2019, 6:47 AM

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i would add volfred's design is Black-coded, if anything

spiral osprey May 28, 2019, 6:47 AM

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yeah

vernal harbor May 28, 2019, 6:47 AM

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as in, volfred took advantage of how commonwealth is tolerating his race

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as he should

spiral osprey May 28, 2019, 6:48 AM

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the individual ven jars of pyre salt are labelled "kindred spirits", "jodi", and "now that's what i call het"

spark cloud May 28, 2019, 6:49 AM

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model minority phenomenon isn't limited to asians even in current day america so i don't see any need for it to be stuck on an asian-coded fantasy race

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that has the potential to be some real clumsy allegory if not handled well

vernal harbor May 28, 2019, 6:50 AM

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look, I just got disappointed in many hinted gay characters ended up shown not so, even though there was the conversation with the fire-proof ink provider, I'm kind of not taking my chance

spark cloud May 28, 2019, 6:50 AM

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are those not ultimately the same jar

spiral osprey May 28, 2019, 6:50 AM

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ok
maybe

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maybe there was too much salt for one jar

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they all dovetail into one another gkdfjgfd

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jodi is just the most egregious example of the like...prevalence of the Straight™ and it's got like all the worst trappings

civic birch May 28, 2019, 6:51 AM

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also yeah janitaur i think pyre ... does a good thing by not limiting itself to a strict allegory

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asdfhjkgfd it's my latest Thing™ but who here has read the Broken Earth Trilogy

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it's imo a really good example of like ... representation of institutional prejudice via fantasy metaphor, while not being too heavyhanded or an Allegory™

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10/10 recommend. anyway

vernal harbor May 28, 2019, 6:53 AM

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I haven't read that yet is it better than most of the tor newsletters

spark cloud May 28, 2019, 6:53 AM

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curs are.... a bit... more blatant though

civic birch May 28, 2019, 6:53 AM

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i. don't know what that means but it's very good imo (@ sol)

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(sorry continue ur thought about curs)

spark cloud May 28, 2019, 6:54 AM

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i mean they are more obviously native american

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traditional practices being extinguished, "chieftains", the last names

civic birch May 28, 2019, 6:55 AM

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oh huh! I read them as kinda scottish (maybe that's just dalbert's whole aesthetic)

vernal harbor May 28, 2019, 6:56 AM

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same, I read scottish

civic birch May 28, 2019, 6:56 AM

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you're totally right though

vernal harbor May 28, 2019, 6:56 AM

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well, maybe celtic tribes feel?

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as in, roman empire era?

spiral osprey May 28, 2019, 6:56 AM

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there are probably a number of groups they could be read into since it turns out that colonial practices of cultural erasure and displacement are uhhhhhhhhhhhhh similar across the board

civic birch May 28, 2019, 6:57 AM

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yeah, i've also seen them interpreted as fantasy Jewish

spiral osprey May 28, 2019, 6:57 AM

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same

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(side note the "are they fantasy Jewish or are they native american" has ALSO come up in bioware fandom,)

spark cloud May 28, 2019, 6:57 AM

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yeah they're still on this side of vague enough to not be Blatant Allegory tm

spiral osprey May 28, 2019, 6:58 AM

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they are a generic oppressed group with a Tribal Structure and Traditions

civic birch May 28, 2019, 6:58 AM

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(scotland does have some similar historical issues in re: colonization & forced assimilation although i have. zero clue about the history beyond 'it happened')

spiral osprey May 28, 2019, 6:58 AM

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which depending on what you're most familiar with, will read in multiple ways

spark cloud May 28, 2019, 6:59 AM

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they're not playing bagpipes and eating haggis at least

vernal harbor May 28, 2019, 6:59 AM

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highwing remnants though?

spark cloud May 28, 2019, 7:00 AM

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idek if i read harps as real world equivalent since the biggest thing in my mind is the Fantasy Matriarchy

civic birch May 28, 2019, 7:00 AM

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a lot of the Highwings lore in-game implies Outright Genocide & i think that makes it ... one of the things that's least comfortable about pyre. maybe not in a problematic way but it is ... hard to conceptualize alongside the rest of the narrative

spiral osprey May 28, 2019, 7:00 AM

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yeah

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they're being strategically wiped out

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nobody ever says what happened to the male harps but uhhh

civic birch May 28, 2019, 7:01 AM

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OH YEAH SPEAKING OF SALT ... I'M MAD ABOUT THAT BIT OF HARP LORE

spiral osprey May 28, 2019, 7:01 AM

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hahahaha

civic birch May 28, 2019, 7:02 AM

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"we have a matriarchal race of warrior women"
"how about their whole society revolves around uhhh"
"gaining the approval + attention of their Sole Male Leader"
"sounds great! let's hit the bar"

spark cloud May 28, 2019, 7:02 AM

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the jar overfloweth

spiral osprey May 28, 2019, 7:02 AM

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yeah but it didn't used to be that way did it?

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i thought that was a consequence of the genocide

civic birch May 28, 2019, 7:02 AM

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sorry superbig i know you guys aren't Like That but ... come on,

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yeah, but from a doylist perspective? the salt runneth freely

spark cloud May 28, 2019, 7:03 AM

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don't mix up the pee jar and the salt jar

spiral osprey May 28, 2019, 7:03 AM

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hahaha

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please dont

civic birch May 28, 2019, 7:03 AM

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the wh

spiral osprey May 28, 2019, 7:03 AM

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do not

spark cloud May 28, 2019, 7:03 AM

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th

spiral osprey May 28, 2019, 7:03 AM

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jan

spark cloud May 28, 2019, 7:03 AM

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💸 😔

spiral osprey May 28, 2019, 7:03 AM

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thank you

civic birch May 28, 2019, 7:03 AM

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someone please dm me i am very confused

spiral osprey May 28, 2019, 7:03 AM

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kjghdfkj don't worry about it,

spark cloud May 28, 2019, 7:03 AM

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yeah don't worry about it

vernal harbor May 28, 2019, 7:04 AM

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fikini did end up wanting a nomad though

civic birch May 28, 2019, 7:04 AM

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ok cool

vernal harbor May 28, 2019, 7:04 AM

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instead of the harp prince

mild falcon May 28, 2019, 7:04 AM

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yeah it's like, maybe it makes sense for the characters to act this way, but someone wrote the world that made this make sense

civic birch May 28, 2019, 7:04 AM

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^^^

spark cloud May 28, 2019, 7:04 AM

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that was my salt with the banner saga too

mild falcon May 28, 2019, 7:04 AM

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someone wrote the world in which that one lady has to wear a bikini because she breathes through her skin

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(mgsV)

vernal harbor May 28, 2019, 7:04 AM

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gosh, quiet, no

spark cloud May 28, 2019, 7:04 AM

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thanks kojima

civic birch May 28, 2019, 7:05 AM

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😔

spiral osprey May 28, 2019, 7:05 AM

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sorry i think i like

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missed the part where this was apparently the goal for the entire society

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i know pam made an offhand comment once

spark cloud May 28, 2019, 7:05 AM

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pls

spiral osprey May 28, 2019, 7:05 AM

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oof

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sorry sol

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automated swear systems y'know

civic birch May 28, 2019, 7:05 AM

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sorry sol that was me when i first joined

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🤝

spiral osprey May 28, 2019, 7:05 AM

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no it wasn't even bad kjdgdf

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proxy is just being

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proxy.

mild falcon May 28, 2019, 7:06 AM

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calling it the society's goal is maybe exaggerated but like, thats a very specific trope to use

vernal harbor May 28, 2019, 7:06 AM

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a c-pit is the part of a vehicle that you pilot dammit

civic birch May 28, 2019, 7:06 AM

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pam comments how "everyone's jockeying to get with the harp prince" and we don't really see anything to ... discount that, except for Tamitha who is singlemindedly KILL ALL COMMONWEALTH

spiral osprey May 28, 2019, 7:06 AM

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i know 😔

civic birch May 28, 2019, 7:06 AM

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oh rip

spark cloud May 28, 2019, 7:06 AM

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hahaha oh my god we can't say uhhhhhhh

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chickenpit

spiral osprey May 28, 2019, 7:06 AM

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kjgdfhgjdfhgkjdgh

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get in the chickenpit, shinji

civic birch May 28, 2019, 7:07 AM

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asdfhjg my mom once had an interesting encounter with an automated censor in re: the name of ... ah ... the actor who played Bert in Mary Poppins

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in ye olde forum days

spark cloud May 28, 2019, 7:07 AM

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i mean yeah, harem trope, obviously

spiral osprey May 28, 2019, 7:07 AM

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but yeah i hear you on it being a specific trope, usually it's not uhhh set to a background of "all the members of one sex were exterminated to make the population unviable"

spark cloud May 28, 2019, 7:08 AM

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have you heard about the buttbuttins

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who buttbuttinate people

spiral osprey May 28, 2019, 7:08 AM

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not that that discounts it as being a use of the trope

civic birch May 28, 2019, 7:08 AM

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hjdklghkjsdfg

upbeat sage May 28, 2019, 7:08 AM

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That sounds like something buttsbot would say klinkLUL

civic birch May 28, 2019, 7:08 AM

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"only man in a world of women" is pretty common OH

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THERE'S

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sorry i keep referencing non sgg things rip

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there's a really good ... i think ursula k le guin short story

spark cloud May 28, 2019, 7:09 AM

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it's 🌈 intertextuality

spiral osprey May 28, 2019, 7:09 AM

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i mean yeah like i said i've seen that trope a lot gkfjghdfg

vernal harbor May 28, 2019, 7:09 AM

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there's also Y the Last Man

spiral osprey May 28, 2019, 7:09 AM

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usually in gross pulpy scifi tho

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volfred gay think is....hear me out.....he's the reading rainbow,

civic birch May 28, 2019, 7:10 AM

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HOH

upbeat sage May 28, 2019, 7:10 AM

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klinkO

spark cloud May 28, 2019, 7:10 AM

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can we salt about our personal sci fi author hates

spiral osprey May 28, 2019, 7:10 AM

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in offtopic yes

spark cloud May 28, 2019, 7:10 AM

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cause i'd punch heinlein in the face

civic birch May 28, 2019, 7:10 AM

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-- why did i mute the offtopic channel i live there

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OH SAME

spark cloud May 28, 2019, 7:10 AM

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and give gibson a moderate whack on the noggin

spiral osprey May 28, 2019, 7:11 AM

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#off-topic-discussion gkdfjhgkdf

mild falcon May 28, 2019, 7:13 AM

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does the volfredpride emoji count as word of god about volf being gay

vernal harbor May 28, 2019, 7:13 AM

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I hope so

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it would make me happy

mild falcon May 28, 2019, 7:14 AM

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pwese sgg, give us the gayfred

spiral osprey May 28, 2019, 7:23 AM

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lmao god i wish

civic birch May 28, 2019, 7:24 AM

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also i did come up with theories about the different pyre species's reproduction/gender and i stand by my headcanon for harps

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which is that they do The Bird Thing, & bigger + stronger warrior ladies leave children in mountaintop créches to be cared for by smaller + slighter dudes

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that's probably not how it was in triesta's time & it's definitely a strain on a struggling population but the military situation is Rough

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because they're so insular (with reason), most nomads will only ever encounter lady harps

vernal harbor May 28, 2019, 7:29 AM

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are they like guppies where they only need to do it once and then they can keep producing babies

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I wish they are more like bees where they can just make them when they feel like it

spark cloud May 28, 2019, 7:31 AM

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oh no bees

civic birch May 28, 2019, 7:32 AM

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bees are so weird

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and nah i wasn't thinking so -- you probably have harp ladies in the mountain interior, too, off-duty soldiers, or scientists, or craftspeople, or cultivators and gatherers

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prolly also like, you can have harp dudes join the army, but it's rarer

vernal harbor May 28, 2019, 7:34 AM

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like reverse dwarfs?

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as in, tolkien style dwarfs

civic birch May 28, 2019, 7:35 AM

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! yeah kinda

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a nomad who's busy trying to Not Die might not even notice the difference

vernal harbor May 28, 2019, 7:36 AM

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I hope a male harp will look about the same as female harp

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just smaller and maybe more slender

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(where is the fic where fikani is the harp prince)

civic birch May 28, 2019, 7:37 AM

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THATS A GOOD HEADCANON AND I'M INTO IT

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id be lying if i said i hadn't thought about it

mild falcon May 28, 2019, 7:39 AM

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fikani as harp prince might have bad implications depending on how you write it

civic birch May 28, 2019, 7:40 AM

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?

mild falcon May 28, 2019, 7:41 AM

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people being confused for other genders... not always a good time

civic birch May 28, 2019, 7:42 AM

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fair enough

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i think it would be ... ludicrously easy to not write it transphobically though

vernal harbor May 28, 2019, 7:45 AM

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(some like it hot's "I'm a man" "no one is perfect" ahem, it was a movie from 1959)

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(ok probably not the perfect example)

civic birch May 28, 2019, 7:46 AM

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has its own issues, yeah

vernal harbor May 28, 2019, 7:49 AM

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I feel like if hedwyn learns that fikani is the prince, he would probably be like, "woah I got the harp that every other harp is after"

mild falcon May 28, 2019, 7:50 AM

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but then either he's fallen in love with someone who's being deceptive about their gender, or someone who he barely knows at all

civic birch May 28, 2019, 7:50 AM

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... not really

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at least, i wouldn't call that "being deceptive"

mild falcon May 28, 2019, 7:51 AM

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i mean outside of writing fikani as trans, which seems like a whole other landmine

vernal harbor May 28, 2019, 7:51 AM

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no intention of deception was done, he just assumed due to a lack of information and is learning to know more about the person in front of him

civic birch May 28, 2019, 7:51 AM

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there's some confusion, but i didn't see this scenario as "fikani deliberately deceiving hedwyn", just that hedwyn has never met a harp man and makes assumptions -- yeah

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what sol said

mild falcon May 28, 2019, 7:51 AM

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i guess i was assuming that he would discover this after coming back, my bad

vernal harbor May 28, 2019, 7:52 AM

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like, if I see a bird outside, I wouldn't immediately know the gender of the bird because I'm human so I don't know how bird gender is read

civic birch May 28, 2019, 7:52 AM

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hawks are tricky, even with the size disparity it's hard to tell unless you're looking at two next to each other

vernal harbor May 28, 2019, 7:53 AM

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I may have to grab the bird to find out, but hedwyn would probably be told on the spot

mild falcon May 28, 2019, 7:53 AM

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perhaps this would be something the bird would mention if you were entertaining the possibility of a relationship with them

spark cloud May 28, 2019, 7:53 AM

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how about make it so harp society just has totally different notions of gender

civic birch May 28, 2019, 7:53 AM

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i mean, we're talking about an au, so i'm assuming it did get mentioned early on

vernal harbor May 28, 2019, 7:53 AM

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in my au yes

mild falcon May 28, 2019, 7:54 AM

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yeah that sounds safe

vernal harbor May 28, 2019, 7:54 AM

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something like, hedwyn mentions that fikani is kind of smaller and asks if she's younger, and "she"'s like no I'm adult I'm just male

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so hedwyn's oh there's male and fikani's "yes actually I'm the prince"

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not the safest beginning but that's my draft, could change if there's better alternatives

mild falcon May 28, 2019, 7:57 AM

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run it by a trans person, im not an authority here

civic birch May 28, 2019, 7:58 AM

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that's legit

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as a resident trans™

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also boom

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The Harp grinned, teeth white in the high plateau sun. "You probably haven't. Harp men aren't common outside the mountains."

"A ... man?" Stupid! Stars and scribes, Hedwyn could have kicked himself for such a dumbfounded response. "I mean -- I didn't -- oh. Um." He bit his tongue, face burning.

The Harp only laughed. It sounded like music, high and fluting. Hedwyn's heart flipped in his chest, and not from fear. He should have been terrified, but he feared only having made a fool of himself.

"You're right," he said, only a little stumbling over his tongue. "I've never had the pleasure, but I'd like to. My name's Hedwyn."

The Harp stared back at him for a long, heart-pounding moment. Wind ruffled the hair at Hedwyn's temples. A drop of sweat crawled down his back, in opposition to his bone-dry mouth.

"Fikani," the Harp said finally. His mouth remained solemn, but his eyes crinkled at the corners -- a true smile, Hedwyn realized. "Fikani Shang."```

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it's their first meeting, barely tweaked

vernal harbor May 28, 2019, 8:01 AM

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we are so hatoful boyfriending this

civic birch May 28, 2019, 8:01 AM

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hee

mild falcon May 28, 2019, 8:02 AM

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now i wanna see where this goes 👀

civic birch May 28, 2019, 8:03 AM

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asdfsdf i had no thoughts beyond "canon, but fikani's a dude"

vernal harbor May 28, 2019, 8:05 AM

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tam would probably die from an aneurysm upon hearing about this liaison

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pam or anyone else probably would react the same way as in regular canon

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I'll see what I'll end up writing later

civic birch May 28, 2019, 8:06 AM

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please do 👀

torn bolt May 28, 2019, 11:49 AM

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i am extremely here for gay hedwyn and fikani

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Very GOOD

hardy orchid May 28, 2019, 4:00 PM

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SPOILERS

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What is the song that ministrel and celeste play during the last liberation rite? Is there another song playing during other liberation rites?

I am not aure hoq to add spoiler tags on mobile

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END OF SPOILERS

vestal bluff May 28, 2019, 4:03 PM

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It’s the same as the others, Never to Return

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Never to Return is a bit different for each Triumvirate though

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The last one is specifically for the Nightwings

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It’s the one in the main soundtrack album on Spotify or Bandcamp or w/e, while the Black Mandolin album has the rest of them

hardy orchid May 28, 2019, 4:06 PM

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Thanks a lot!

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Well they said sth like "and let us play a song to make even the stars shiver"

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And then i felt in love :D

lime mural May 28, 2019, 4:07 PM

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they’re so captivating 💖

pliant sigil May 28, 2019, 4:08 PM

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the bards: and let us play a song to make even the stars shiver
yslach: damn this slaps

lime mural May 28, 2019, 4:10 PM

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wouldn’t be surprised if even yslach shivered to that song

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pyre’s music is SO GOOD

vestal bluff May 28, 2019, 4:20 PM

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Yeah, I’ve got it stuck in my head again now lol

tough perch May 28, 2019, 6:14 PM

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years later, does anyone else still tear up when they think of the phrase "the stars have joined us" or what

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I just finished my first replay since 2017 and the moment I got to that part I broke down as if I was a sleeper agent and that was my activation phrase

wide river May 28, 2019, 6:25 PM

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for me it's always a toss-up between mere distance cannot separate our spirits and the stars have not vanished; they have joined us

young folio May 28, 2019, 6:42 PM

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consider

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whoever dares oppose us is welcome to try

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but my fave is still mere distance cannot separate our spirits, it’s still my blog title on tumblr

vestal bluff May 28, 2019, 6:44 PM

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My personal fave

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We need a defiant Nightwings if we're gonna start a revolution

wide river May 28, 2019, 7:00 PM

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it's the title of my reader's pinterest board, since i won't change my blog title unless i'm held at gunpoint

heavy hill May 28, 2019, 7:04 PM

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yeah I'm part of the "whoever dares oppose us" crew

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angry reader time

civic birch May 28, 2019, 7:06 PM

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mhm

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It's Delicious

wide river May 28, 2019, 7:11 PM

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i think my other reader would go for the angry one, yes

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mostly because he IS an angry one

onyx forum May 28, 2019, 7:47 PM

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mere distance is my fave....😭 😭

civic birch May 29, 2019, 1:49 AM

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One thing I like about Pyre is how easy it is to build OCs for

lethal cipher May 29, 2019, 2:16 AM

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How do the horns fit into the masks? That kind of bothered me.

placid cosmos May 29, 2019, 2:17 AM

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slide it on

lethal cipher May 29, 2019, 2:18 AM

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That doesn't work with curled horns, for Jodariel at least. And Oralech has different shaped horns that also split. And Ignarious has horns that go to the sides, not foreward. gilmanangst

onyx forum May 29, 2019, 2:20 AM

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it just works

young fjord May 29, 2019, 2:20 AM

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Magic™

civic birch May 29, 2019, 2:20 AM

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Magic

lethal cipher May 29, 2019, 2:20 AM

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insert facepalm I'm stupid here

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thanks guys

onyx forum May 29, 2019, 2:21 AM

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jen zee draws whatever she likes

stray jolt May 29, 2019, 3:05 AM

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maskgic?

lunar flame May 29, 2019, 3:06 AM

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gummy horns

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or made of play dough

stray jolt May 29, 2019, 3:06 AM

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floppy horns

young fjord May 29, 2019, 3:07 AM

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The masks are actually a form of mind control. They meld to the wearer's face, allowing control of their person by the reader

vernal harbor May 29, 2019, 3:07 AM

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thanks I guess I don't need sleep tonight

young fjord May 29, 2019, 3:09 AM

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Fear not, you too can achieve R E A L S L E E P ™ tonight

stray jolt May 29, 2019, 3:09 AM

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asmr: eating my gummy horns i got from the downside

vernal harbor May 29, 2019, 3:11 AM

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considering what the gummy horns' gummy could be made of, maybe the mind control masks are a bit better

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they could just be like the Justice Blacksuits

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which in hindsight might be worse

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ok, compromise: it's not exactly mind control mask, it's a mask that basically acts like the VR glasses + controllers and projects the players into the book shaped arena

young fjord May 29, 2019, 3:14 AM

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Gummy -> Gelatin... Gelatin -> rendered from bones... Bones = Horn... it tracks

stray jolt May 29, 2019, 3:18 AM

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hmm since all the demons are bigg and thicc in the game, does that mean as soon as you grow your horns, you get super buff

young fjord May 29, 2019, 3:19 AM

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Or does getting buff make you grow horns volfredthink

stray jolt May 29, 2019, 3:19 AM

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buff horns

lethal cipher May 29, 2019, 3:19 AM

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Nobody seems to point out the hooves either

stray jolt May 29, 2019, 3:19 AM

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they all turn into goats

young fjord May 29, 2019, 3:20 AM

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Jodi is the greatest of all time, so it makes sense

vernal harbor May 29, 2019, 3:21 AM

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I don't know, goats are not very buff

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water buffalo maybe?

young fjord May 29, 2019, 3:24 AM

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Buff's right in the name, so sure!

stray jolt May 29, 2019, 3:26 AM

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new canon: the downside slowly transforms people into water buffalo and also with gummy horns

civic birch May 29, 2019, 3:28 AM

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excellent

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we cracked it guys

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superbig confirmed

vernal harbor May 29, 2019, 3:44 AM

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🐄

mild falcon May 29, 2019, 5:15 AM

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superbig games

vernal harbor May 29, 2019, 5:17 AM

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superbuff

young fjord May 29, 2019, 5:18 AM

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I've got it...

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Supergiant Gains

lunar flame May 29, 2019, 6:21 AM

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Very Large Games

rare glade May 29, 2019, 6:27 AM

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Chonk Games

upbeat sage May 29, 2019, 7:18 AM

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bittieChonk

civic birch May 29, 2019, 8:07 AM

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sorry i just remembered that the opening line for Hedwyn's verse in Bound Together is "Hedwyn was there"

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like. yup! he was!

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sure did!

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everybody else gets some kinda, like, epithet or introduction and Hedwyn gets

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Hedwyn was There

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thanks Tariq

mild falcon May 29, 2019, 8:12 AM

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i mean, when the thing you gotta prove is that you're not a deserter.. just gotta not leave

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just gotta be there

civic birch May 29, 2019, 8:13 AM

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:'0 owie

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hey you didn't have to do that /j

wide river May 29, 2019, 8:22 AM

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hedwyn was there, and proved to all that he was no deserter; he stayed true to the end ;3;

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i’m gonna listen to bound together even though i’m still on the bus to work

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if anyone asks why i’m crying i’ll just cry at them more

placid cosmos May 29, 2019, 11:21 AM

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bound together is,, so good so pure

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i recorded my version of it and have it saved on my phone :,3

carmine fjord May 29, 2019, 2:31 PM

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Hey does anyone have any idea what a saps legs would look like

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I'm trying to draw one and uh.

civic birch May 29, 2019, 2:37 PM

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I dunno if them having roots is canon or fanon? It makes sense to me, though, given how they root themselves during the Rites

spiral osprey May 29, 2019, 2:38 PM

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Canon. Volfred mentions his roots once

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Ability upgrades also mention Lu Sclorian's root-steps which will never not be funny to me

civic birch May 29, 2019, 2:43 PM

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ROOT-STEPS ...

wide river May 29, 2019, 3:28 PM

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my assumption/headcanon was that most saps just have, like, Chaos Roots and they wear robes, but some try and fit in to nomad/human/whatever society by twining them into two Leg Roots so they have a normal number of limbs

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volfred vs. manley

onyx forum May 29, 2019, 3:43 PM

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sameee

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i love the sap culture human culture intertwine....

carmine fjord May 29, 2019, 3:52 PM

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Any suggestions on how I should draw the legs?

onyx forum May 29, 2019, 3:53 PM

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i think looking up pictures of trees is a good start!

civic birch May 29, 2019, 7:26 PM

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Out of curiosity, how old do people think Jodariel is?

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I have a headcanon, but I wanna hear what other people think

pliant sigil May 29, 2019, 7:27 PM

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id say she's like in her mid-thirties

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maybe pushing her 40s

onyx forum May 29, 2019, 7:37 PM

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late 40s early 50s

wide river May 29, 2019, 7:37 PM

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she has to be older than thity at the absolute minimum

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there's a line in her epilogue about her not having cried in "more than thirty years"

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One day, news reached her that Mae had assumed a high position in the Eighth Word; they were calling her a saint. Jodariel had not wept in more than 30 years before then.

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she be old ladie

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~~i have a Specific Headcanon about the last time jodi cried whoops~~

midnight hawk May 29, 2019, 7:41 PM

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i'd say 40s for sure, maybe early 50s

pliant sigil May 29, 2019, 7:45 PM

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ooo well in that case same as babs

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didnt know about that epilogue line

civic birch May 29, 2019, 7:50 PM

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oh sparrows?

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oh tell me more 👀

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Tell Me The Jodi Headcanon

wide river May 29, 2019, 7:52 PM

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headcanon: jodi and hedwyn's mom were A Thing, then she died and left hedwyn in jodi's care and that was the last time jodi had cried

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it's not something i Always Go With when i'm noodlin' ideas around in my brain but it's a fun thought

civic birch May 29, 2019, 7:54 PM

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oh heck

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oh nooooooo

onyx forum May 29, 2019, 7:54 PM

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;;;;0;;;;

placid cosmos May 29, 2019, 7:59 PM

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hey sparrow

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why

wide river May 29, 2019, 7:59 PM

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because sometimes i have to remind people that i earned the nickname of 'pain imp' on the other server for a reason

placid cosmos May 29, 2019, 7:59 PM

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oh my god

civic birch May 29, 2019, 8:32 PM

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Honestly I wish there was a bit more time given to the Reader's recovery

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Like, when they're found, they're bad enough to be mistaken for dead, and then written off as a lost cause

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That's not the sort of thing you get over in an hour

wide river May 29, 2019, 8:35 PM

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oh mood

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i wrote a fic for my reader being found in the downside and i ended it on them passing the heck out in the blackwagon bunkroom lmao

civic birch May 29, 2019, 8:37 PM

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Ayyyy high fives

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Currently working on same

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My reader ... is not happy about being helped

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Mostly bc they've written themself off as a goner, & they don't see the point in prolonging their sentence

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Plus they can tell Hedwyn's a good kid and they don't want him to be hurt when they inevitably bite it

wide river May 29, 2019, 8:39 PM

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;w;

civic birch May 29, 2019, 8:40 PM

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(That doesn't last but ... oogh)

old breach May 30, 2019, 2:36 AM

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when im sad

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i look at tizo

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and things get a little better

vestal bluff May 30, 2019, 5:03 AM

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for you
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/525544401619910678/583520838192463872/Imp_Tizo_01A_Stoked.png

vernal harbor May 30, 2019, 5:05 AM

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cutest old man (imp?)

mild falcon May 30, 2019, 5:07 AM

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_stoked

vernal harbor May 30, 2019, 5:14 AM

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do drive imps enjoy getting pet

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so round

mild falcon May 30, 2019, 5:15 AM

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this convo sounds familiar

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wait no it was about curs before

midnight hawk May 30, 2019, 5:16 AM

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drive imps are the downside version of cats

mild falcon May 30, 2019, 5:16 AM

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...asher with pet imp

vernal harbor May 30, 2019, 5:16 AM

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aren't imps more like smart parrots

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since they can read and write

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cat parrots? could work

mild falcon May 30, 2019, 5:18 AM

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the intelligence of a cat and a parrot combined..

fluid flax May 30, 2019, 5:23 AM

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Carrot...

civic birch May 30, 2019, 5:24 AM

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carrot

long holly May 30, 2019, 5:26 AM

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parrat!

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o_O

wide river May 30, 2019, 1:46 PM

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what if fancy pigeons, except imps

heady karma May 30, 2019, 1:47 PM

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??

wide river May 30, 2019, 1:54 PM

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📎 unknown.png

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this is just a few different types of fancy pigeon

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consider: imps with the same sort of variety

heady karma May 30, 2019, 1:55 PM

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Oh, I see

wide river May 30, 2019, 1:56 PM

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imps with speckles! piebald imps! imps with all manner of horn shapes! imps with really curly fur! large imps, small imps, short imps, tall imps

heady karma May 30, 2019, 1:57 PM

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Imp-eccable!

onyx forum May 30, 2019, 1:57 PM

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YES YES YES

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curly inps............

heady karma May 30, 2019, 1:57 PM

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A minigame where you can style Tizo

wide river May 30, 2019, 2:01 PM

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pokémon amie but it's pyremon amie and the only option is ti'zo

heady karma May 30, 2019, 2:02 PM

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“Jodi, I chose you!”

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Jodariel is a dragon type

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Tizo is flying fire?

pliant sigil May 30, 2019, 2:04 PM

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my pyre memories are hazy but can tizo spit fire??

heady karma May 30, 2019, 2:04 PM

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I mean, they need to power the wagon somehow

pliant sigil May 30, 2019, 2:04 PM

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they just run for this

heady karma May 30, 2019, 2:05 PM

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No they exploded

pliant sigil May 30, 2019, 2:07 PM

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what if driver imps unionized and whenever they felt like they werent rewarded enough for their efforts they just stopped powering the triumvirates' wagons

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effectively stopping or heavily delaying the rites' schedule

onyx forum May 30, 2019, 2:07 PM

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volfred taught them about unions

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with tizo translating

heavy hill May 30, 2019, 6:59 PM

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"The Commonwealth is unfair! Androbeles is in there! Standing at concession, plotting our oppression!"

lunar flame May 30, 2019, 7:53 PM

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LMAO

wide river May 30, 2019, 7:54 PM

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jodi has a new child and it's one of the blackwagon's imps which has curly horns like hers

safe adder May 31, 2019, 12:11 AM

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I wanna run a Pyre themed dnd campaign with my friends, even though I've never DMed in my life. Can anybody point toward some references I can use. Particularly ones for race stats.

torn bolt May 31, 2019, 12:14 AM

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i've been trying to put together the exact same thing, lmao

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i haven't been able to find anything, actually

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should probably dust off my race homebrew drafts

old breach May 31, 2019, 1:07 AM

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if you want to play a pyre like thing your best bet is not to play dnd

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dnd is a game with a 400p rule book 300 of which is about killing monsters for xp and gold, it will not help you play the game i think you want to play

stray jolt May 31, 2019, 1:08 AM

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i think they mean they want to play a dnd campaign in the pyre world

old breach May 31, 2019, 1:08 AM

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youre better off finding a different system that actually helps you to play the game you want than slapping something over dnd

blissful trench May 31, 2019, 1:10 AM

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Fate Core might be a better system, fits the narrative vibe of Pyre a little more

old breach May 31, 2019, 1:10 AM

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^^^

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i dont even know what youd be killing for xp in the downside besides the nighthowls or what they were called, even the imps are people with feelings

civic birch May 31, 2019, 1:16 AM

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Howlers are imps, yeah

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I have certain headcanons about what they are/why they're vicious as opposed to the working imps we meet

old breach May 31, 2019, 1:25 AM

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as far as we know its genetic right? since tizos a decendent of HOOWW UOOOUUBH

torn bolt May 31, 2019, 1:30 AM

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i mean, having fewer rules doesn't necessarily make a ttrpg system better. i'd actually really like to play a pyre d&d game

old breach May 31, 2019, 1:34 AM

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i never said that, what i said was"youre better off finding a different system that actually helps you to play the game you want" meaning play a game that mechanically supports the activity and narrative you want to follow. 5e is a great system if you want to kill monsters and get loot in a fantasy world. if you want to do something other than that play a game that supports you in doing that, otherwise youll be doing allot of unnecessary heavy lifting fighting the system that just wants you to kill stuff

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in the same way that i dont try and play a game about runnning a cyberpunk detective agency in dnd i wouldnt try to do this either

torn bolt May 31, 2019, 1:35 AM

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they did specifically ask for d&d resources tbf

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i can see lots of reasons to want to play d&d over another system, like preferring d20 systems to d6 systems, or only wanting certain aspects of pyre's aesthetic instead of a strict imitation, or being more comfortable with the rules of d&d, but it's up to personal taste so. shrug.

old breach May 31, 2019, 1:37 AM

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they also said theyve never dm'd in their life, i wanted to make them aware of their other options, dnd being the kleenex of rollplaying games means that lots of people in their exact situation have a horrible time trying to play a more narrative heavy game with other stuff they like and so ignore half the rulebook because its not helping them do what they want.