like why it happened like that
#transistor
noble portal
I can make a lot of headcanon guesses, but my best guess is that as the two closest people to the Transistor when it hit the Cradle, you were both pulled inside temporarily. From there it was a Thunderdrome “two men enter, one man leaves” scenario. Royce implies he’s had to do this before, saying something like he “knows of a way out, but it’s unpleasant,” so I suspect the part where you get pulled in when the Transistor syncs up to the Cradle is common-ish
And Royce may have, to some extent, had to re-kill everyone the Camerata integrated this exact way
Granted none of them had “user levels” so they probably weren’t “armed” with their own Transistor if/when Royce got dropped in previously
So he was likely able to just leave or it was a very one-sided fight
noble portal
Yeah but y’know, for the sake of rule of cool, they had to have at least one Transistor duel, right? 😛
velvet jacinth
you right
noble portal
Tbh going in I half expected to have to fight every member of the Camerata with some crazy sci-fi weapon of their own
velvet jacinth
yea, i expected cool boss fights with each of the camerata
but then 2 of them just kill themselves
noble portal
manly bc I was listenign to the OST through before finishing the game and had already pegged Apex Beat and Impossible as boss themes, I just didn't know whose theyw ere
in that brief period I had guessed Apex Beat was Royce's theme and Impossible was Grant and/orAsher
it was interesting to me that the reality was almost the reverse
velvet jacinth
neat
noble portal
man I.... to this day I still grumble a bit that I never got to throw down with Grant
velvet jacinth
yea
noble portal
dude looks like he can handle himself in a fight, he's massive
velvet jacinth
true
but also like he killed red's husbando so i wanted to kill him
and having him just die wasnt fun
but it was a plot twist
jaunty fable
He's a big guy but he's like, a politician
He doesn't know how to fight and he has no sword
The thought of having physical fisticuffs with any of the camerata is like
manic lava
he's also old
manic lava
they're all a bunch of nerds, except for sybil, who is still cool
jaunty fable
Asher might have took one kickboxing with your cat class
manic lava
sybil definitely knows how to use slang
jaunty fable
But still. Sword. And lack of
manic lava
yeah no sword makes it hard to fight
jaunty fable
Oh whoops wrong server
manic lava
cloudbank is rated pg
rare moth
rated pg for processed guys
noble portal
I maintain Grant is tougher than he looks 🤔
calm jackal
boxer: oh crumbs
process: 😠
near wagon
considering Grant is marked as Recorded and not Integrated, does that imply something?
like, do bodies maintain a recording of user data, or was he previously recorded in the transistor without becoming integrated in the past, along with asher?
floral plank
Considering you can get their functions before actually "meeting" them, I assume the Transistor recorded them.
wintry verge
Sybil has definitely killed people with her umbrella before
She practices fencing with it 2 hours a day
still zealot
I wonder if she taught hat kid her ways
noble portal
I think the Recorded vs Integrated is “people who have come into contact with the Transistor by using it” (which includes Royce, Grant, and Asher) vs “people who have come into contact with the Transistor via the business-end” (which includes everyone else, notably Sybil, but excludes Red and her partner)
By this logic, Sybil never so much as touched the device, which makes sense if we consider it was probably known early on that you can hear the people you were familiar with. Whichever unfortunate Camerata member figured that out probably either warned her or at least kept her away from the device
sour quail
Idk I'm pretty sure boxer was introduced via the business end of the transistor
brisk talon
Recorded vs Integrated I think just means what level you have the Trace at
noble portal
He did, but his profile image specifies it’s “Non-recoverable”, Red’s is listed as “Intact” (which imo is a little inaccurate? but eh)
You get Cull really late but Olmarq’s is “Integrated” 
tribal oriole
I need to replay transistor. I lost track of the storyline, and never really got it back.
wintry verge
Someone find that awful plot review image again
Where it says she lost her memories or something
wintry verge
Yeah thats the plot
jaunty fable
calm jackal
Some of this description is accurate...
jaunty fable
points for effort
wintry verge
"The game opens with the protag killing a random man with a sword"
calm jackal
The famous singer IS targeted by a mysterious organization, that's a spoiler free summary
That's what the trailer features
wintry verge
"She looks pretty bummed about it but hey, what can you do"
floral plank
voice and memory are the same thing, right?
untold terrace
Negative
It's interesting to me that she can't speak or sing, but she can still hum beautifully
it makes me happy, because at least she gets that c:
calm jackal
There's probably something to be said on the fact that grant doesn't get a speaking role despite being the leader
He's the only camerata member that doesn't speak, and he's the most important character that doesn't speak
brisk talon
(Aside from Red)
calm jackal
Red does get to speak at the end
jaunty fable
more time to listen to royce
brisk talon
Does Sybil really get a speaking line beyond [electronic, garbled something]?
jaunty fable
i mean this is back when sgg had like 2 people recording inside a shoe closet remember
voice acting was limited
calm jackal
I think she's intelligible when she's dying on the ground
jaunty fable
maybe not quite the shoe closet days but close enough to it
brisk talon
No yeah I just dr if Grant is the only Camerata member who never speaks
Oh yeah i guess syb does have some intelligible lines
calm jackal
Really makes you think huh
brisk talon
🤔
jaunty fable
calm jackal
Red says "hey" to boxer at the end in the country, btw
primal glacier
You could say grant doesnt have a voice of his own, I mean he did argue for ever possible position to help the majority.
It's strange that the "leader" of the camerata is the one we know the least about as a person
calm jackal
It's definitely more interesting for the final boss to be the guy who knows the sword best
...asher is grant's boxer
The character through which we learn about grant and about their relationship
We know red through boxer and we know grant through asher
primal glacier
They even both have pets a dog and cat respectively 🤔
I wonder of this was done intentionally
jaunty fable
okay but now i'm imagining grant the absolute giant of a man having no fighting skills but his tiny husband Will Stab Without Warning
calm jackal
Red and grant both kill themselves despite their lovers not wanting that
There's a lot of parallels between red and grant and not all can be unintentional
brisk talon
floral plank
Woah. Thanks for pointing that out, everybody!
noble portal
(Sees comments about Sybil’s dialogue) I um... had subs on the whole time so I could just read her garbled rambling...
floral plank
To be fair, she is kind enough to repeat the important lines a few times :P
calm jackal
"Owchie wowchie, that sure does hurt quite a bit"- sybil
still zealot
That seems about right
ruby spade
Hello people
I finished transistor today
amazing game
but could people clarifiy a few story points for me please?
cedar grove
we could try! :D
ruby spade
ok
I'm just trying to understand what exactly happens at the beginning
The Camerata attack Red steal her voice
throw the transistor at her (to put her inside of it?)
and then...???
red and her bodyguard teleport somewhere else with the transistor?
calm jackal
The transistor hits the "bodyguard" and malfunctions
ruby spade
i got that part
calm jackal
The malfunction teleports them and gets the process to break cloudbank
ruby spade
oh ok
that's kinda awfully convenient
but that explains it
that still leaves the question: Why would they throw the transistor at her AFTER stealing her voice?
calm jackal
Oh yeah, the voice thing
It's unclear when that happens, but it was probably stolen by the malfunction
The camerata was expecting red to be alone
calm jackal
That last part is in the sybil logs iirc
cedar grove
the transistor takes something from you, when you become its user. it took red's voice
ruby spade
ooooh
cedar grove
i believe it takes one of your selections, red's being music and linguistics iirc, so it took the linguistics. but she can still hum
her bodyguard (aka boxer) had no selections, so the transistor malfunctioned when it got stuck in him
calm jackal
But she didn't have her voice before she picked the sword up
cedar grove
ah, right
calm jackal
I don't think your answer is supported by the text 🤔
cedar grove
maybe its because she was the nearest person that did have selections? which is also why she teleported with him?
that could be the case lol its possible that its a theory ive read somewhere and adapted as fact in my brain. but it makes sense to me
but the plan was to steal her voice through integrating her into the transistor, no? which didnt end up happening. so either way they didnt really steal it beforehand
primal glacier
i always took it as it grazed her and partially integrated her
calm jackal
I haven't heard it before. I think it's interesting that the things that red and boxer think were done intentionally by the camerata were accidents
They assume that camerata are in control of the process in the beginning
And "they took your voice"
That's a cool storytelling to me
ruby spade
mmmh
now that I think about it
Asher says something about taking her voice
and that it could have been anyone's voice
cedar grove
im not sure they mean a literal voice like in red's case
wintry verge
I mean thats her main attribute
Just like they integrated those other people for their skills in particular matters
The cutscene where red stabs herself with the transistor but it seamlessly cuts to zag's death animation when she gets stabbed
blissful blaze
i could if i had the footage 🤔
brisk talon
I mever thought they got teleported? Where does it say that
I'm also interested in what "we're not gonna get away with this, are we, Red" means
calm jackal
The place the game starts isn't the place he got stabbed
cedar grove
the whole thing happened at the empty set, after reds performance
sturdy gale
the canon answer is the camerata are clueless
noble portal
I mean... yeah kinda xD
"the road to hell is paved with good intentions" and all that XD
near wagon
what if the bodyguard could only hear red once she was holding him, and he thought they took all of her voice when they only took linguistics?
but re:voice, what camerata wanted to take was voice in the figurative sense, in the sense of their weight in influencing the society
and I remember it as something like asher and grant thought red would be alone, but sybil knew she wasn't and told them she was anyway because she loved red (but I'm not sure if it was because she wanted them to kill blue or because she wanted red to survive, maybe both)
and the result was blue got inside the transistor, red lost the capacity of vocally express words (but could still type or make sounds), both red and blue teleported, sybil was partially processed and her remains stayed in the empty set
and funny enough, the only thing left of blue was his voice (capacity to vocally form words)
calm jackal
I think sybil was trying to murder boxer
wispy stratus
According to the trace that was her plan
near wagon
ok thanks I was trying to load the game
floral plank
She didn't lose her entire "linguistics", though, or how could she still type on the terminal at all, then?
I believe Sybil was fine after the fiasco at the empty set, but had an emotional breakdown and stayed because of that.
calm jackal
yeah i dont think the sword is supposed to literally steal voices
maybe it just took a lot of what red said literally
given "the spine of the world"
sybil got processed at some point, and i think its implied that she wanted to get processed
near wagon
I did say it was capacity to vocally form words, I wonder if there is an english term for it
like, a person during duress may suddenly be unable to form words or sentences until the emotion passes, but if you ask them to type or make sounds they still can
blissful blaze
personally i assumed sybil was waiting at the empty set for red to come back, and the process jumped her and partly got her
which amplified the obsession
near wagon
if she plotted and executed the plot to murder blue she was probably pretty darn obsessed to start with
funny enough that the process created by integrating her was mostly harmless to both red and blue
floral plank
She keeps uttering the words "help you" during the fight.
near wagon
the subtitle says "help us help us help us won't you we only wanted your help"
I've also heard that some of the unsubtitled words sounded like "mine"
during the fight against her I mean, I'll check the fetch form sybil later
"you knew I would wait for you" so yes Sybil was waiting for Red to come back
"I saved you I saved you I saved you I always I always wanted to" so she did plan for Red to survive
rare moth
WOW
calm jackal
5 months, right? Transistor came out this year, right?
floral plank
Transistor is already out?
noble portal
it's been out for a while?
wintry verge
it's gonna be 5 years since transistor is in early access
did you see the last announcement with the two new bosses
grant & asher i think thats their names
i'm so pumped to fight them!!!
cedar grove
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shrewd root
I'm looking to get some big gains, I was told I should try out Transistor
rare moth
when will it be ported to ovc terminal 😔
floral plank
help I tried to attack and the game crashed
near wagon
I didn't know I had to smash sybil again after beating her and she crawled off map 😣
silent sage
Wait, you can avoid smashing her body after you defeat her?
I felt so bad when I saw I had to ;;
calm jackal
we're all joking aroun
silent sage
omg AHAHAHA
calm jackal
you can leave her for a while, but she makes some pretty awful sounds
blissful blaze
hey, fun fact about sybil's fight, actually
so she's 98% processed when you meet her
silent sage
Why do you guys call sometimes Boxer "blue"? Or do you refer to another character?
blissful blaze
and then you get her down to, oh, 2% hp........ and that's when she's crawling around on the floor absolutely helpless, because that's the last bit of her that isn't processed
Boxer, Blue, and Mr. Nobody are all alternate names for the same character
because he's never actually named ingame
inland mirage
more importantly, why do people call him boxer
I'm still confused on that, mr. nobody gang rise up
lucid fern
but his REAL name is Jeffrey Penn
silent sage
She is quite a tragic character
blissful blaze
his hands are wrapped
wintry verge
Mr. Nobody by mitski
silent sage
I saw they call him Boxer bcs of the files ingame
He appears as Auron or something like that
silent sage
Oh, that makes sense
blissful blaze
it's the parts between the fingers that makes it look the most like boxing hand-wraps, because that's what you do to...... i think it supports the knuckles when you're punching?
silent sage
How do you know his real name?
blissful blaze
nobody does
that's the thing: he's never called by name in the game itself or in anything outside of it
silent sage
I know, I'm curious about the guy that said his name was Jeffrey Penn
I think that's the voice actor idk
blissful blaze
that's what people often refer to as a joke
silent sage
I know lol
noble portal
The VA was Logan Cunningham
silent sage
Thanks ♥
jaunty fable
logan mcswordface
silent sage
AHAHAHA
noble portal
To clarify, since a lot of people are joking around and this conversation has been hard to follow:
-“The Boxer” is how some game files refer to him
-“Mr. Nobody” is what he calls himself at one point, upon accessing his function file
-“Blue” I assume is a fan nickname as a contrast to Red, and also because the colour associated with his ‘portrait’ and function is blue
-“Auden” was the nickname the devs used for him project name of the game during development, means “friend” in German language TBD, possibly referenced in the song title “Old Friends”
blissful blaze
actually, you're wrong on the last point
"auden" was the project code name for transistor
silent sage
Thanks Sable
blissful blaze
transistor = auden, pyre = ursa, bastion was always bastion
noble portal
Thanks sparrow
rare moth
logan PLEASE cover mitski's nobody
my god im so lonely
so i open the window
to hear souunds of process
to hear souuunds of process
lethal socket
Cloudbank, city of choice
Was destroyed by (the) Camerata
Did its people want too much too?
Did its people want too much?
rare moth
was destroyed by cam-e-ra-ta maybe...
hhhh now im thinking abt red humming "i dont want your pity i just want somebody near me" and him answering back "guess im a coward and i want to feel alright" hhhhh 😭
languid flume
i like this idea
manic lava
@noble portal auden doesn't mean friend in german. the most i can find online about it is that it's an old english name
noble portal
ty
near wagon
I honestly really love how everyone crosschecks everything in this server/fandom, it's like in the better part of university
wintry verge
me when some random guy bumps into me and spills coffee on my super expensive vest https://i.imgur.com/XarKT8z.jpg
calm jackal
You kill him? You kill the guy who ruins your vest?
sour quail
I mean yeah
languid flume
what else would you do ?
floral plank
Restore your honour
harsh forum
I just noticed that the Transistor Cover Art on the Epic Games Store has Red's feet completely gone. Maybe like she is being processed?
still zealot
She's knee deep in the Processed
surreal rock
It’s no small feat
winter raft
If I'm playing the PC version with a ps4 controller, will the transistor still do the thing with the light bar?
wispy stratus
Now I'm wondering too
languid flume
i dont think it will
theres no programming in the pc version telling the light bar to do the thing
wispy stratus
Turns out the light thing does work, but not the speaker
Tempted to borrow a controller to see it now
surreal rock
Switch(gay, tree gay)
floral plank
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brisk talon
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jaunty fable
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inland mirage
pulsar lily
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rare moth
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wispy stratus
°Д°(ʕ•ﻌ•ʔ , -_-||)
sour quail
ʕ•ﻌ•ʔ
sterile iron
happy five years, transistor!
spring plover
awww happy 5th to one of my favorite games ever!!
wintry verge
oh we all, we all become (five years old)
wispy stratus
And we all are sending birthday wishes 🎵
fading wharf
transistor loving hours 
floral plank
real love hours
spiral shell
blissful blaze
who spoiled my attempt to write "red" in emojis 
scenic hound
uwu
slate whale
OuO
scenic hound
F
woven ginkgo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCUbmPsf860 Mmmm, that announcement trailer still so sexy
scenic hound
ionic sparrow
rip
tough crest
happy birthday transistor
slim goblet
Happy birthday Transistor. Thank you to Supergiant for letting me perform some of the pieces of music from the game at a concert I put on at Burning Man. I'm still sorry that it wound up happening in the middle of a dust storm and the recording was crap, but I was thrilled to do it.
nimble turtle
that is freaking awesome
atomic gyro
happy 5th transistor, i still vividly remember freaking out because the spine level badly lagged my old terrible computer
nimble turtle
xD
jade moth
HAPPY BDAY SUPERGIANT! Such a great game. Gave me so many memories and lots of inspiration as a filmmaker. EDIT: And it still does gives me soo much inspiration to this day
blissful blaze
i remember seeing gifs of the trailer on tumblr and being like "wait, supergiant? like bastion?? oh man, i gotta check this out"
ionic sparrow
Happy birthday Transistor! I'll never forget playing through it for the first time
twin parrot
Happy birthday Transistor, the game that first sparked my love for supergiant ❤
blissful blaze
and then i fell into the supergiant pit and never got back out. i live here now.
fading wharf
happy birthday transistor!!!! the game makes me so emotional everytime the word transistor is mentioned
fast bane
Happy birthday Transistor!!, I still tear up every time I play it and every time I hear “I love you so much Red, you know that right?”
latent hare
Happy Birthday Transistor !
graceful cave
Happy birthday Transistor! Nothing much to say other than you are my favorite game ever made. There's so much to you that I learn more about your goals and world all the time.
You were my first foray into the world of indie games. I'll never forget it, nor your marvelous ending.
blissful blaze
@fast bane that always makes me think of that remix by liltommyj
blissful blaze
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9djWB-iolG0 this is the one i mean, by the way, y'all should check it out if you haven't done so already
nimble turtle
I will always remember you, your profoundness, and your ending.
cedar grove
this is also the day I fell into the Supergiant Pit
dense canyon
Happy birthday, great game! You strike right into my heart 🤗 ❤
full peak
WHY CANT WE POST PICTURES
cedar grove
but it was 4 years ago
pallid holly
transistor good, bastion less
ionic sparrow
all supergiant games good
cedar grove
you can link imgur posts!
full peak
oh yeah
proper flint
You can post pictures in #fan-works I think?
cedar grove
yes, but it’s for fan works, so
light magnet
i started playing supergiant games with transistor! first tried it at a pax east booth. i got the demo unit hooked up to the Big Screen, so everyone was watching my gameplay. this made me incredibly nervous, but i eased into it and did well anyway. very fond memories 
ionic sparrow
Thank you @blissful blaze for bringing this amazing remix into my life. Not sure how I hadn't heard this until now.
languid flume
transistor was my introduction to supergiant games! me and my friend have a podcast au abt this game 
full peak
https://imgur.com/yW9LVwg my highest rated review ever. summarizes it
ionic sparrow
Yeah that's accurate
cedar grove
it’s been my most played game for a long time until recently, I should really leave a review already
I don’t know what to say though, it’s just. so good
slim goblet
Even that is enough
ivory cove
As I said on the Twitter announcement, I feel Royce Bracket to be the most memorable part of Transistor for me. He is so creepy and his mannerisms are so unique and I can't help but smile with every line he does because it's so enjoyable. I think my fascination is in part due to the game itself not having a lot of unique voices aside from the sword and the Camerata. Great voice delivery, great casting, great design, and him being the final boss wrapped it all so nicely. (even though I didn't wanna kill him) Such a fun villain.
warped thicket
Cue old friends
ivory cove
warped thicket
Honestly, all the voice acting is incredible in transistor
lofty aurora
royce sounds like ASMR
ivory cove
The ASMR is a good point because for some it's creepy and for others it's enjoyable, which is probably why it's so high impact
blissful blaze
fun fact for anyone who hadn't already noticed, asher and thanatos are voiced by the same guy (who also voiced hedwyn in pyre)
so basically chris saphire owns my soul at this point
lofty aurora
when Royce said "how about... me?" 😳
stuck vigil
Can confirm that Royce induces ASMR in some.
fading wharf
traded our souls for whatever sgg gave us
ivory cove
As far as I know I don't think Royce VA has appeared again since
rare moth
royce is so good
ivory cove
Which is a mistake, developers, get on it
light magnet
i fixated so hard on the soundtrack, but Impossible in particular
such a memorable final boss tune
rare moth
WHEN ROYCE WAS LIKE....SOME PEOPLE MIGHT BELIEVE ACCORDIBG 2 SOME 0HILOSOPHIES THAT MURDER IS BAD....I LOST IT
full peak
Also, I would like to share a story. The music of Transistor captivated me, as i'm sure it did to many. But here's the catch: I'm a musician who always dreamed of being a singer. Never had the chance to work on it cause people already judge me for doing music, especially my family (im from a quite conservative country). My anxiety didnt help as well, so basically I was afraid of even singing in the shower, or casually to myself. but I gathered enough courage to take a singing class in my college. Was really scary at first, but I tried to do it. Our professor told us to choose any modern song we want to sing to class, and I chose The Spine Of The World from Transistor, because id be too focused on conveying its captivation and charm than to be afraid. I received a good applause from the class, and several compliments later, and people asked me whats the name of the song. My professor ended up accepting me to her private lessons.
Fast forward to 2 weeks ago, and I did my first formal concert with full confidence. I'm finally set on my dream, and I wont forget that first performance. "The Spine Of The World" will forever be in one of my most memorable moments in my music journey.
rare moth
aaaaaahhhhhh thats amazing!!!!!!!
full peak
thanks ❤
wintry verge
Guess you could say that song is uh
buoyant flicker
Congratulations man!
wintry verge
The spine of your singing career
full peak
@wintry verge I thought you would say "grew me a spine", but your pun is just as good : P
@buoyant flicker thanks ^-^
jade moth
nice ^^
wintry verge
👌
barren swallow
I still have transistor artworks as my desktop background, phone background, phone alert sounds
jade moth
same
ruby python
I still have a dear spot on my playlist for the transistor soundtrack. Just marvelous
winter raft
We all become is just so good
full peak
I tried to learn to play The Spine on piano, but it ended up being too hard :(
drifting terrace
I cried so much at the end
can't believe it's been out for so long
then I replayed and cried again
hollow gulch
i liked bastion but it was transistor that really, really made me fall in love with supergiant. i was so surprised that many people i knew seemed to not click with the gameplay, for me the gameplay was l ike. everything i wanted
and the story/music look i love listening to the soundtrack but i can't listen to the vocal tracks too closely because i start getting emotional
and the harmony in paper boats makes me cry without fail like every time
slim goblet
I will always, always find you
hollow gulch
uggggh just when sword boyfriend's voice starts coming in quietly in the background
drifting terrace
my friends make fun of me how much I always talk about Transistor when somebody asks what it's like 😄
hollow gulch
my heart :(
halcyon vine
This was the only game that made me cry, and that's all
serene bloom
I love Transistor and recommended it any chance I can. The biggest takeaway for me was that the world (despite being empty) felt so very alive. The bits of lore scattered around. The empty nightclubs and high ways. It was like looking at Pompeii or Chernobyl and just realizing that there was a bustling city right there just moments ago.
Not many games have made me want to know more about the people and events that took place there before the game. In short it just gives me this sense of wonder and I'll forever cherish that.
Also I'm a huge Tron fanboy and it gave me some strong Tron vibes.
golden mango
Just driving thru to wish Transistor, the game I would not be here without, a happy 5 year anniversary. Thank you to all of you from Supergiant for creating this captivating, life changing story and experience, and to all of you from the community for making all of this last for as long as it has and will. Love you all 
light magnet
i've still got the 24" x 36" poster hanging right above my monitor! https://i.imgur.com/RuTYyhG.jpg
fathom pumice
Here with transistor appreciation.
I'm a very casual gamer. I get bored easily and can count on one hand the number of video games I have completed. Transistor was the first video game I wanted to do a 100% run of. It was the second game I ever beat and the first game to make me cry. The play style of the game is like nothing I have ever known. In order to unlock lore you have to force yourself to diversify how you play which is amazing. This game is my all time favorite because it really was the first game I ever truly enjoyed. ❤ thank you so much and I am a lifelong fan now because of Transistor
worn jungle
To me, transistor was a perfect short story. It didn't say what didn't need to be said, only the core relevance was spoken to. I got to fill in the blanks myself which brought the story to life. Mechanically sublime, and wonderfully told, it's set a new standard for short story based games for me, replacing portal.
brazen wharf
I immediately fell in love with transistor. The music is what grabbed me, what always grabs me with supergiant games. I remember just standing there in one spot, singing, for such a long time in the beginning, and immediately falling in love with red
ember stag
Happy birthday Transistor! Such a beautiful game, a worthy follow on from the equally wonderful Bastion. Ily Supergiant.
rain nacelle
wow, 5 years...
I bought it pretty soon after it came out, but I didnt play it until a year ago for some reason
great game
odd mirage
Transistor's definitely one of my favorite games. I've played the game over and over several times, and it always stayed fresh because of how many variations you can get with the weapons. And of course the amazing music was what originally drew me to it. Happy birthday!
severe briar
What is there to say about Transistor that hasn't already been said? The art style is gorgeous, the story and characters fantastically written, the world is amazingly realised, the combat is deep, and the music is likely some of the best Darren Korb has made. And it was the first game on Steam I got 100% achievements with. Need I say more? 
languid trail
Happy birthday Transistor (and Asher), thank you for cementing me as a lifelong Supergiant fan! And thank you Darren Korb for the gift of the Transistor soundtrack, which should have been nominated for a Grammy and wasn't.
cedar grove
i just noticed the little fish swimming in the beach waters
ive played this game countless times and never noticed them before
jaunty fable
oh hapby birthday transistor
wind trout
Happy birthday Transistor such an amazing game ❤
spiral ivy
we invite you to share your favorite memories of it in #transistor
do I have to pick a memory though, cause id rather say "the entire thing"
Transistor is one of those few games that I wish never ended
jaunty fable
found it
spiral ivy
or at least took me like 20 hours to get to the ending instead of 7
Everything was built so well in the game the only thing I had to say at the end was "no come back I want more"
spiral ivy
^ also that
Transistor gets to proudly go on the list of "games that have made me cry"
A list with currently only 3 other games on it (Celeste, Crosscode, and Persona 5)
rare moth
its just work
sterile iron
brought him flowers....
rare moth
sterile iron
hrng so for my favorite memory of transistor... the ending. the final battle was amazing and i felt accompolished. it was great to see red rebuilding some of cloudbank, and the transistor telling her he was ok as he was. that he can get used to it being the way he was now. but then just that ending. what red did to herself. broke my heart and left me a little empty. but then seeing her in the transistor happy with the love of her life softened it. whenever blank canvas plays i will always be washed with that emotion again
jaunty fable
transistor makes us all inconsolably sad 😔
inland mirage
transistor is probably one of the best games I've ever played
that is all
sterile iron
it is my favorite
i rlly want to get some transistor merch but i dont want to annoy my parents by asking them to order it
tribal oriole
So... I had no clue what was happening the first time I played it, and I'm somewhere in a recursion, and I don't know how to reset my progress. Is that an option anyone knows how to do?
lucid fern
you could probably manually get rid of your save files at the very least
tribal oriole
Not sure. I just downloaded it on steam for the first time on this computer, but it still knew where I was.
lucid fern
do you have cloud saves
tribal oriole
Judging by how it just jumped me into the game where I was, I'm pretty sure.
calm jackal
I know that in the options you can switch to a fresh save
pulsar lily
Very few games hit me in the feels as hard as this one- the ending left me literally shaking
Five years later, Impossible is still my ringtone and Red a permanent part of my RP roster
lyric forge
i love that whole mf game
soundtrack slaps and i own it for switch ps4 and pc
so happy it was made
Red is my screensaver for like everything like i love her so much!
delicate quarry
i bought it day 1. I didn't even know the game was being released, downloaded the game, and saw the title screen, "Ok, thats cool". Then the opening scene started up with the amazing artwork then, I hit the start button, Logan Cunningham voice starts playing then Old Friends begins to play and I got just chills from the song it just hooked me on the game.
still zealot
The music is so great, Darren Korb is an absolute legend
And Ashley's voice is just divine
astral tide
I remember buying transistor as soon as it was released. When I found the Sandbox I just let Red hum away for an hour or two per day until I finished the game. When the hummed version of the songs got released to the OST I was quite elated and keep listening to it to this day. Thanks for releasing such a masterpiece
spring plover
are we sharing transistor memories
blissful blaze
seems like it!
spring plover
Transistor was my first Supergiant game, I played it actually in 2015 because it had gone on sale and looked absolutely beautiful, and I've been a diehard fan ever since. Transistor contributed a lot to how I think about video games and video game narrative - I definitely count it in the top 3 or 4 most influential things I've played. Really can't say enough about how lovely and intricate it is
oh i should hype my essay again
fallen delta
this game is the reason why I tell everyone to buy supergiant games day 1
grim storm
I bought this for my birthday (coming up friday) that year and powered through it, earning the Platinum trophy for the title . The metaphors, music, and storytelling easily put Transistor amongst my top 5 games of all time. I was going through one of the most devastating losses in my lifetime and the progression helped me reconcile much of that grief. Thank you, Supergiant. ❤
green flame
I bought the game after seeing Super BunnyHop talk about it, and fell in love with the gameplay and soundtrack.. It's the only supergiant thing i've completed, though.
I've bought all of their games anyway
drifting timber
i played transistor for the first time while on a trip to wisconsin and finished the game in the middle of my flight home
i was definitely crying on the plane
sturdy gale
transistor was always the most buckwild dude, and it’s crazy to see them settle down yada yada but FOR REAL the first time I played the game the storytelling and design were the first thing that made me realize that games were more than cool hedgehogs and dudes shooting each other they could be art in the traditional sense
It was such a good paradigm shift
tepid ember
that reveal trailer before that PAX east was one of the most exciting surprise trailers I'd ever seen. even now it still gives me goosebumps...waiting the year out felt like AGES
god, what a good game it is
frigid raven
Here's a special treat for y'all in honor of Transistor's five-year anniversary today. Please read the description at the link for more details. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTp4MLtJqV4
spring plover
jaunty fable
who has the heart eyes cry emoji
rare moth
||let me go. set me down. and dont even look at them. theyre old friends.|| did a one-two punch to my heart
jaunty fable
if you wanna join the proto-camerata you gotta dye your hair jet black
they have like, pokemon villain team levels of unified aesthetic
manic lava
oh that's Good As Hell
blissful blaze
there are only two possible moods in the world
rare moth
HMGBJVJVHJVHJGVHJ
brisk talon
😔 oh mood
jaunty fable
wow i did find something from 2012 in the deepest abysses of my imgur account
rare moth
omg
jaunty fable
gonna bare my 14 year old soul in #off-topic-discussion
calm jackal
The difference between what was and what ended up being released
Incredible
Imagine the parallels between ||let me go|| and "don't let go"
calm jackal
Glad they made sure the camerata wasn't just a bunch of white people tho tbh
Seeing this is inspiring
full peak
Happy Birthday Transistor! What a wonderful game
languid trail
I bought the soundtrack the day the game released because I loved the Bastion soundtrack so much. Didn't play the game until later but when I did I went two playthroughs in a row.
Interesting memory was the first time Asher contacted Red, the way he talked about Grant I thought "People totally ship these two, don't they" and boy was I surprised when I figured out they were a couple
(Also the ending is amazing and destroyed my soul with sadness)
jade mortar
Can't believe this game is five years old, wow. Transistor was the game that cemented Supergiant as the GOAT game development studio for me, and just managed to strike some chords in my heart that No other game out there really was. I think playing through Transistor was the first time that a Video game ever made me cry tbh. Thank you for so many years of incredible games, guys.
fallow tide
Supergiant Games, your studio and the work you produce is something I hold as a Gold Standard. It's the execution I admire most; a studio of close-knit and widely talented individuals. Each part of Transistor, be it the the phenomenal music score, amazing art direction, or talented writing, would not be nearly as strong if it wasn't for your ability to combine and communicate your passions with one another. I have friends who almost never play games, and obsess over its art. I have friends that loathe most story-based games, who adore its combat. Be it the story, or the soundtrack... there's something out there for every player.
The layered audio tracks to convey urgency or meditation mid-combat, the beautiful combination of 3D renders and illustrious art, your sword's nicknames for enemies becoming the titles of enemies... Your creativity blends together. The tools you each bring to the table meld together into something undeniably fresh and inventive.
Thank you Supergiant. This one's for Red 🍾
weary heron
I hastily picked up transistor after seeing totalbiscuits very positive review of it, and fell in love instantly. I can't imagine how different I would be had I never gotten to experience it! It would be an understatement to say that this studio has drastically changed how I think about games. Happy birthday to my favorite game ever!!!
brittle sage
omg i just watched the tone video and may i just say i am VERY glad the camerata underwent more workshopping than this
it’s so cool to see the origins of the story
jaunty fable
yeah yeah yeah
that pristine aesthetic is good tho
and implications of... boxer..... ex-camerata?? 👀
near wagon
I wonder if Sybil would even become this level of obsessed with Red if Red was not on the camarata target list
or get processed, because at 98% processed the only thing left might as well be distilled love
and asher and grant, and royce, well... ever member of camerata is, in the final product, a glimpse of their tragedy
primal glacier
That tone video was AMAZING transistor is probably my favorate game of all time and just getting to see that little bit more of the world and what could have been is amazing. I would LOVE to see some sort of spinoff that using the amazing world building supergiants done with it.
I remember an old chat in here about a pre process transistor episodic TV show about some of the people who you get traces of. Or comics even. But it would be really cool to get some kind of side stories taking place in this universe, especially if we get to see more of the Camarata say as they approach each person at the end of there arc.
The really dream would be perhaps to follow some of the survivors of the process taking place concurrently with the game, imagine getting to see some of the scraped concepts like the world of the process
I guess theres always fanfics XD
brisk talon
ohhhhh that Transistor video ... finally got the chance to watch it and 😭 💔
definitely agree @primal glacier ! that would be so cool! I love the idea of Boxer as ex-Camerata ... it would explain his lack of selections, and the degree to which he and Red seem to be loosely familiar with the Camerata and their goals
there were five Camerata in the "The white walls" shot in the video :0c
(also yo iamo! waves in jojo)
it makes sense to me that the Boxer would've stood out to them, having no selections at all, & maybe even sympathized with their ideals to a point
primal glacier
Yeah I find it really interesting how boxer is part of the "0% of people" that choose no selections. That's another thing that could be so cool to explore, the marginalized people who live in this dystopian/utopian society and how they are rejected.
I am curious about boxer knowing the camarata even perhaps having been a part of them at one point. I would kill to learn more about Mr. Nobody and why exactly he doesnt exist
near wagon
was he marginalized, or was that his way of rebellion?
maybe this is why he was no longer with the camerata, because he found a more peaceful way of rebelling against the system
primal glacier
I'm not sure? That's an interesting take :0
I was thinking he was maybe like the people niola fought for
floral plank
If he were an ex-camerata, I'd expect the camerata to have enough wits to monitor him about as much as their next target.
primal glacier
Or at least they are other perhaps part of the 0% even if boxer in unrelated in reasoning
near wagon
emergence behaviours and synchronicity are cool to consider
primal glacier
Perhaps boxer was at one point an admin and they approached him? But he declined joining
jaunty fable
maybe in this early concept the camerata was a bigger organization
but in the game itself they're a lot more exclusive
secret four people club in royce's basement
near wagon
hey asher and grant were in a penthouse
primal glacier
That is a great visual
near wagon
why plot in the darkness of the basement when you can conspire on a sunny terrace with tea in hand
jaunty fable
it's cloudbank the basements are luxurious as hell
near wagon
fair
primal glacier
They switch every week, sybil prefers the penthouse and Royce wants to hide in the basement
Grant and Asher dont care as long as they are together
near wagon
considering the nerds they are, this compromise is highly likely
primal glacier
And I love it
The camarata are just the biggest nerd who plotted to save the city but they messed up
The dork squad 
floral plank
Sybil does not like being called a nerd but she totally is
calm jackal
What is transistor a statement on? What is it trying to say about democracy? What is it trying to say about art?
primal glacier
Sybil was their "normal" friend that they used to interact with others they were too scared to
floral plank
It will all become one
jaunty fable
it's got complex themes for sure
primal glacier
I really like what transistor says about there utopia and the systems of that world, I'm not sure how to explain it too well though.
I think the characters of Niola and Grant though really help highlight some of the issues that exist in cloudbank, really a lot of the side characters do (I love the world building of this game) l
I dont think Transistor though has it's own agenda in its message exactly as it really just a love story between Red and Boxer caught in the middle of it all. Looking into the background story that runs though you could argue pretty well for and against what cloudbank is, but it all comes back to the people who love in there
primal glacier
Cloudbank is the city where you can be whatever you want, but it's also the city where the majority rules and if you dont fit in and "become one" your rejected. The camarata believed that the constant changing of cloudbank and its existence following the whims of the majority was preventing meaningful change in the system hence "when everything changes nothing changes". I have a lot more I could probably say on this game but I cant think right now lol but these are just my opinions on some of what transistors about
near wagon
yet the majority is influenced by the voices of a few minorities
brisk talon
I kind of think the Camerata is right, is the thing
Or that they have the right ideas but the wrong execution
near wagon
literally murdering people for their voice is definitely the wrong execution
primal glacier
100% agree
near wagon
but if their goal had been selfish, they would have just tried to empower their own voice, not trying to overhaul the system
so they were indeed doing this with a selfless intention
kind of a huge case of hubris on their part
primal glacier
Its understandable too why they took the traces of these people, as they where all influencers who understood cloudbank and it's people, and who would be able to help reshape.
near wagon
even if sybil did not mess up their plan, that would still have failed because a society is not zero-sum; the sum is always larger than the parts
you cannot approach the issue of a society like it's basic math, which was how Royce was trying to do
yet, Red, the artist, was not less brutal than he was once she got hold of the transistor, was she?
even if you kill for it, you can ever only stand where you stand, you cannot stand where others once stood and see what they saw and speak the words they've said, and have the same interpretations, and have fate flow the way you drive it
this is why you can never fight another's fight and win, and why camerata was doomed to fail, why boxer failed to protect red from herself
(teamwork is a different matter, you are fighting the same fight)
floral plank
This is a nice interpretation!
pearl spindle
I thing this would be the right place to ask:
In the newly released tone video, a lot of things a series of numbers on them. Do we know what those are? Are they just part of the concept art?
worldly garnet
best not to read hugely into concept art when comparing to canon information, a hell of a lot can change from concept to full release. in terms of numbers and lettering there seems to be a lot left to the imagination. we still dont know what most of the non english text in the envieronment and in ovc terminals means
id love it if someone does know what that numbering could be though whether its in the final game or not
pearl spindle
I was thinking because it is concept art after all, maybe it's related to versions or something after all
vapid tulip
What I find interesting is that this new tone video isn't the first time we're meeting this proto-Camerata
I remember seeing their silhouettes in the 2013 reveal trailer
I'd post images but idk if I can in this channel
wintry verge
oh wow i like boxer's concept design https://i.imgur.com/nFmPwdY.jpg
they really did it to him
spring plover
another belgo classic
rare moth
hey red.....theyre not gonna do it to us this time
quiet arrow
We
We did it to them
cedar grove
he looks like the fashion poster guy
you know the one
also todays mood: thinking about proto sybil
wintry verge
it's funny cuz i see a bit of the people the camerata stabbed with the transistor in proto camerata's designs
though i like how they got royce right from the start lmao
vapid tulip
It's crazy seeing them look so different from the final product
still zealot
Yeah
calm jackal
Can't believe sybil dyes her hair
ornate nexus
so that's why it's called old friends
obsidian jay
Happy birthday Transistor ❤
full peak
I like the final designs waay more, but the homogeneous-Camerata aesthetic is kinda coo too
mortal pivot
"Whatever it is that is doing this to you, I'm going to find it, and break its heart" was one of my highlights fight and all
sour quail
It's the most romantic scene I can think of in a video game, especially because she literally does
mortal pivot
right? I mean the whole game is kind of a romance, I noticed a very big evidence of a theme where the husband says he doesn't see anyone there with him but when he looks up at the sky all he sees is Red. Which kind of links with the whole theme that the sky is whatever you want it to be that day (with the poll voting etc)
sour quail
:D
I had never made that connection! That's so great!
mortal pivot
I love it, I got quite immersed in their chemistry and connection
even though only one of them actually talks
brisk talon
Red has her OVC terminal moments
mortal pivot
Yeah that's what's so cool
brisk talon
And the game does a very good job of giving her character without speaking
mortal pivot
Like the first time she actually uses it to speak is such a turnaround moment for her character
sour quail
I didn't realize she was using them to talk to Boxer until the third one
Or whichever one it is where he responds to what she types and then she types out another line back
But when I did my mind was blown
mortal pivot
I just love Transistor so much, it's one of the best stories I've ever experienced and the writing just makes it so perfect
@sour quail Yeah it's mad, such a unique way of having a character with no voice, having a voice
sour quail
The Aesthetics, too! The entire game is beautiful, and the scenery and character design is off the charts
mortal pivot
true, true, but that's Supergiant for you. Pyre's scenery and character art is some of the best work I've seen and now there's Hades like wow
So much so that I have a tattoo for Pyre, and I'm super contemplating a Transistor tattoo idea I had
inland mirage
concept grant looks like evil john lennon
calm jackal
Isn't that just regular John lennon?
Grant is actually voiced by John lennon in the final game
spring plover
https://venhediss.tumblr.com/post/126145257596/damn-red-boxer-appreciates-reds-fighting
time for this very important post again
rare moth
damn, red...
manic lava
he lov his girlfriend
calm jackal
wouldn't you ...
sterile iron
they both make my heart melt
idle delta
I remember playing this game and it caused a weird phenomenon where my eyes would tear up from all the gorgeous art and music
(lol)
Something about the atmosphere of the game, amazing
languid flume
damn red
spring plover
this post is a testament to how long i've been hanging around this fandom fgdjfkg
spring plover
fhdjfhd
noble portal
Every once and a while it’ll identify who’s in which bank. I mapped them out a while back
sterile iron
👀
noble portal
I’ll have to grab my computer to find it, I’ll post it up in a bit
sterile iron
please @ me when you do!
noble portal
@sterile iron
screencapped out of my word doc but that's the layout of the banks in that arena
in "Turn() vision" you can't see the numbers but they're on the sides when viewed normally
wintry verge
im pretty sure there's boxer's trace in there as well
noble portal
on reflection, he might actually be the "current user" bank
but there are only 15 in that field
noble portal
maybe the "current user" one alternates sometimes when viewed? I was just running around popping into Turn to record these and it was ages ago when I did this
blissful blaze
i'm pretty sure it jsut says current_user regardless
noble portal
here's one capturing as much of the field (normal view) as I could. You can't see it in this pic but iirc some of the banks in the really close foreground have some very high numbers on them (hence the note with the table) http://i68.tinypic.com/2rhvklv.jpg
also obviously this was not a "combat" function build, I was just messing around 😛
sterile iron
hm royce brackett... royce ()
floral plank
If royce were, would he () or {}
sterile iron
he ()
noble portal
also giggling about these notes I found, they're for a (much longer than I remember) fic I started way back. I was breaking down some possible names and stuff for Cloudbanks different districts (ones we don't see or hear about in-game) and found this:
Sunrise
-large eastern district
-I have no idea
-seriously nobody even cares about this district, they’re weird or something```Ahaha of course shomar would be the invisible one
pulsar lily
Never forget the time an entire building (district?) disappeared and people were going "oh, another Shasberg stunt"
noble portal
Friggin Shasberg XD
near wagon
asher and grant are not next to each other...
jaunty fable
classic shasberg
noble portal
nor is either Royce or Grant "first" as one might expect
sacred delta
Hopefully I'm not too late on the 5 year anniversary stuff. I just love this game to death and wanted to share my love for it, but didn't have anything to present the day of.
sturdy gale
nice!!!! Love me some red
sacred delta
All credit goes to Cole#8252 in the BBTAG IM Discord for this.
I made the music for this demo, nothing else.
I just love Transistor to the death, and was super excited about this palette when he made it that I made a demo of it & the custom music I made specifically for this demo.
I was in between putting She Shines or In Circles over Heart's theme, but I like She Shines a bit more.
sacred delta
Oh, almost forgot, the big thing Heart summons in her Astral is based off the Camerata!
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/468411055253618699/580660236474384404/Transistor_Red_Pallet.jpg
inland mirage
It's Always Sunny in Cloudbank
The Gang Gets Processed
floral plank
Man, they sure buffed Load() since last time I played.
finite wigeon
Red as a schoolgirl ? Daaaamn
sacred delta
It might be the bobcut, tbh.
oak olive
I want the Transistor 2 #Transistor2
💋 ❤ ❤ ❤ 💛 💛 💛 💚 💚 💚 💙 💙 💙 💜 💜 💜 💯 💯 💯 💯 💯 💯 💯 💯 💯
calm jackal
transistor 2 is the wacky au where royce and red both get to live and keep their swords and they work together and do wacky hijinks to make cloudbank less dead
wintry verge
transistor 2 where literally everything from the first happens again but this time it's in the country
theyre like. space-travelling by repeatedly causing the apocalypse
so at the end of the game they all end up in the country-country (country²)
wintry verge
no. no she doesnt
"but we're dead! why would it matter" she goes
the transistor catches the flu or something
and everything inside starts getting infected
sterile iron
the process killed the flu. the transistor collected its trace
sterile iron
infect() ->slows down enemies, weekends some attacks, and or drains energy ??
noble portal
Someone on DA did some really cool mockups for “inverted” modes and functions... I thought I saved them but it seems they are lost to time at the moment
tiny parrot
sterile iron
old friends is difficult to learn on the piano when you dont know how to read sheet music
wispy stratus
Isn't that the case for every song
sterile iron
y yes.. but i was at least able to learn mother im here in a day
vapid tulip
Yo they probably don't got Junction Jan's in the Country 
noble portal
the worst fate
calm jackal
??? Jan made it to the country too yanno
jaunty fable
:0
pulsar lily
I get the feeling if they want it bad enough in the Country, it'll be there
wintry verge
it's called the country because theres always country music playing in the background
near wagon
when can I get Junction Jan in real life near me though
wintry verge
make your own
noble portal
tbf hmemade flatbread/pizza is amazing
vapid tulip
Transistor 2 is just farmville in the Country
jaunty fable
wake up in the country
paper boats fades in
boxer: hey you, you're finally awake. you were trying to cross the border, right? walked right into that imperial ambush, same as us and that thief over there.
sour quail
ASSKDJFAHEKUFHAECNBDXM,VCIQEWD
inland mirage
"When everything changes, nothing changes." - Ulfric Stormcloak, probably
sterile iron
in french class we were practicing wtiting by playing a game where we take turns adding to each others stories and my blurb about royce bracket and his friends wanting change turned into him and some random game of thrones characters fighting against climate change and eating oil companies and i still dont knownwhat to feel
brisk talon
Mood
noble portal
pretty good mood
brisk talon
I still ... basically agree with the Camerata 🤔 not with their methods, but with their motives? I ... sympathize
Everything in Cloudbank is about cosmetic choice and cosmetic freedom, but everyone is shuffled through this system where they have very little real choice
Unseen administrators make all the real decisions and it seems like most people don't know or care. And what could they do about it, if they did?
jaunty fable
what are choices they don't have
brisk talon
It ... resonates is all
How the city works, for one thing. We don't see people having much choice in Cloudbank society
Put it this way
The traces in the Transistor are of people who broke out in some way. Who were doing something different, and notable, and noteworthy, & in someway stepped outside Cloudbank's ... well ... process
Which means that's unusual
Everything in Cloudbank is about statistics and data and everything about a person is catalogued and predicted -- 0% of the population has not made selections and we don't see anyone who has really stepped outside their Selections (besides Boxer, who made none)
Very few people have any individual voice
Look these thoughts are sort of half-formed but I do think it's relevant that all the important people in Cloudbank we see, with the exception of the Camerata, are performers
hybrid brook
i love this sm
gosh you're makin me feel things and i have enough feelings abt the game as-is
esp about how boxer and red like. switched roles
jaunty fable
see i disagree that there's a soulless machine or process that's limiting people's freedom in cloudbank
brisk talon
That's ... not what I'm saying
jaunty fable
ok sorry
brisk talon
What I mean by "Cloudbank's process", little p, is more ... societal norms and pressure
Like ... it resonates, imo, with the real-world process of like. You go to primary school, high school, university, you get a degree, you graduate
"Selections" loosely parallel, like, university majors
jaunty fable
maybe the camerata has that assumption though. attempting to use a machine to solve a people problem
it's just too convenient
brisk talon
And it's not that that's all being run by some secret evil machine, and technically you can choose a different path, but if you don't or can't follow that path ... life is way harder for you
jaunty fable
like wouldn't it be great if you could just wave a magic sword around instead of a lifetime of campaigning to instill fundamental changes in society
brisk talon
Mhm
We don't know what the Camerata's end goal with the transistor actually was but ... actually their motto makes me think it was to instill some kind of permanency to Cloudbank's structure & aesthetic. With the goal of drawing people's attention to the ways their choices were invisibly limited
Ofc then everything backfired all the way when Boxer got mcmurdered
And would that have worked? IDK but I think ... it's interesting
Especially since many of Red's song lyrics parallel that same kind of existential despair
jaunty fable
on a fundamental level their plan was flawed
brisk talon
I mean, I can kind of see the logic, although not in a way that parallels anything we can do in the real world
If you live in a society where people get to vote on the color of the sky and the outcome of a sports game, and that's considered "freedom", but not on who their administrators are or how their society should function ... what happens if you make those cosmetic things permanent?
tho I also think Sybil and the Kendrells had kinda separate goals from Royce
Royce kinda seemed like he was in it just for research's sake
jaunty fable
royce i could kinda see having a hardcore individualist philosophy
brisk talon
Mhm
jaunty fable
somehow he and a lifelong public servant shared the same goals which makes me think like, each member of the camerata had a different personal interpretation of "when everything changes nothing changes"
brisk talon
Yeah, I think they def weren't very unified
I am ... #sus of Grant Kendrell as an Administrator himself
Doing the same things administrators always do -- organizing in secret, on the sidelines
You're not changing anything! You're not special! You're just manipulating Cloudbank from the shadows like you've always done! The fact that you're keeping it secret from other Administrators, too, doesn't change that!
🔪 @ grant kendrell
jaunty fable
most of the population seem totally apathetic to adminstrative tasks
brisk talon
Yeah
That's what I mean by choice being invisibly limited, and cosmetic freedom vs like. meaningful freedom
hot tree
i mean i think royce had a motive that was more than just research
sure he was fascinated by the way the process worked, but he. like. was watching his entire life work be continuously rendered meaningless
not saying the methods were good but the motive i can really sympathize with
brisk talon
Yeah yeah yeah
The Camerata are ... really interesting sympathetic villains because their aims are bad for Our Heroes(tm) specifically, but overall kinda relatable
And everything getting messed up is not their end goal, they're trying to stop the Process as much as Our Heroes(tm) are
near wagon
near wagon
the road to hell is paved with good intentions
and to cite an example of no meaningful freedom, the woman who painted the sky a certain way to impress her crush got punished because she was defying the decision of the votes
in a free society with meanings, her action would have been celebrated, because it's cute to do this
here it's very mechanical, it's pure process (no capital p)
it's very difficult to cultivate meaningful passion when you have no meaningful freedom
jagged meadow
The ending got me hecked up
near wagon
but if it were you, would you choose to live alone in the now safe yet empty city or also go to the country?
personally I'd have stayed in the city and tried to bring in more people
frail fulcrum
That's assuming there's people to bring in
Is there a world outside of the city?
Considering it's referred to as the country, in the same way as the afterlife
near wagon
even if there is not, can't she make more people?
she's got the transistor, and there's so many human data in there
twin summit
i-
calm jackal
usually takes 2
twin summit
that brings up a whole other can of worms
near wagon
I was really trying to mean synthetic humans that will be sapient and sentient
not the traditional reproduction, she's not a bee
twin summit
just make the process the new dominant race
make them sapient and more human features
frail fulcrum
The other question is, would she even know how?
stone shoal
^^^
near wagon
I was also thinking mind download the humans into Process bodies
frail fulcrum
All her use of the transistor seems to be linked to her emotions
near wagon
she's the admin now, so she can probably find a manual on it
frail fulcrum
Even when she makes the bridge and those statues, what does she actually make? Two people, either seperating or coming together, depending on your perspective
near wagon
usually softwares contain a tutorial in itself
frail fulcrum
If there was a manual, what's to say she can read it
If even Royce had to spend a long time learning the ins and outs
And he's more of the nerdy type
twin summit
she had all the time in the world to figure it out, literally zero distraction besides mr nobody
calm jackal
its poetic ok 😠
frail fulcrum
For someone with no experience, deciphering the nature of the world isn't just something you can do from scratch
She might have an infinite amount of time, but not anything is possible because of that
calm jackal
also it's frankly awkward to be the progenitor of the human race
stone shoal
And it's kinda ignoring red's motives/ambitions, would she really want to rebuild the city?
brisk talon
"Just make more people" is still a rather bleak scenario
Junction Jan's, for example, that wasn't just a pizza place, it ... was a symbol. It had a legacy and a reputation and an emotional place in people's lives
Cloudbank had a culture, repressed by apathy though it may have been
And you can't just bring that back from scratch
near wagon
no, you can't bring back the past, but you can bring something new as good if not better than the good of the past
that will be founded on the past
twin summit
i mean, she wasn't deciphering the nature of the world or whatever from scratch
near wagon
the past will be a foundation, and the new shall be the new city
twin summit
she has the transistor, the magic tool of creating everything
the process does it for her
near wagon
she's an artist, and artists are the best people to understand the nature of reality
and yes, the process can do it for her too
brisk talon
Not ... from just one person, you can't
Humans are fundamentally social creatures. We're not meant to create in a vacuum, but as a group, with group feedback
stone shoal
^^^
near wagon
we all know that red made her choice, her place was to be with auden
but if it were you, what would you have chosen?
there is no vacuum, there is very rich pool of material
all the past people and the past city, all the memories
stone shoal
That's an impossible decision
We don't know her thoughts, her feelings ar the time she made the decision
near wagon
I don't know how many times I have to say that we know that Red made her choice
we don't have to know the motive, but she chose to be with auden in the country
my question was, if it were you, in her place, would you choose something else?
stone shoal
You're asking if we were in her shoes what decision would we make
brisk talon
We know Red made her choice, but given the amount of duress we witness as players, it's almost impossible to know how you would act in that place
I think that's what Aggy -- yeah
stone shoal
And I'm saying it's impossible
twin summit
i mean, for you, maybe
stone shoal
Ofc the question is entirely subjextive in nature
brisk talon
Unless you have an extraordinary amount of experience with how you act under intense pressure, it is very, very hard to predict who you are between a rock and a hard place
near wagon
I do have enough experience to know my choice when this comes
twin summit
i mean, for you, maybe
frail fulcrum
The way I see it, you're choosing between working for a lifetime on something that might not even make you happy, or you get to be with your sword bae
brisk talon
That's valid, I was more reacting to Onyx
frail fulcrum
I'd pick sword bae every time
twin summit
it's an entirely subjective question, yes, so you can't just say that I won't know what i'd choose
near wagon
"I don't know what I'd choose" is a perfect legitimate answer
twin summit
^
brisk talon
I really ... relate to red's choice in the end. She's tired and this is not her job. She didn't ask for it. She doesn't want it. The burden of rebuilding a whole damn city? Is someone else's problem
stone shoal
And for me unless I was faced with the exact circumstance I wouldn't know what I'd do
twin summit
@near wagon maybe you misunderstood, that is a perfectly valid answer, but you can't tell someone else that they can't predict themselves
brisk talon
Nah, that was me, and that's also not quite what I meant
What I meant was just to emphasize that many people overestimate how well they can predict themself in a crisis
Which is true
I can't speak for any one person but it is something to consider
near wagon
I did, this is why I said if you say you can't it's perfectly valid answer
I was just making sure that Aggy understood that I didn't mean if you were entirely like Red, just if you were in Red's situation
twin summit
@brisk talon ah, i thought it was more directed since you said that you were reacting to me
near wagon
and once this was cleared it was cleared
so the majority vocal answers here are either go to the country or don't know?
so far onyx seems to think rebuild is plausible but don't know, I'm all for rebuild, but smaller and muttnik are more inclined to the country, aggy is don't know
if I got that right
calm jackal
maybe if she decided to fix it, it would turn out like the bastion ending again
maybe the reason she does what she does is so that it has a different ending than their first game
near wagon
going to the country definitely is a different ending
brisk talon
i think rebuild is plausible/possible, even guaranteed given that some Cloudbank citizens could have survived on the outskirts, but I don't know that in Red's case I would want to be the person in charge of it
primal glacier
I don't think anyone survived on the outskirts of cloudbank, remember that OVC terminal where the survivors had gathered and as you read it they go offline, that moment really chilled me.
primal glacier
yeah I didn't either my first playthrough
near wagon
maybe there are more of the unregisted people like blue
manic lava
i imagine it's a trifling amount
near wagon
if there are even a handful, it's still a society
normal knot
hello, I'm trying to link Transistor with my PS4 controler but it isn't working
hello?
anyone?
sterile iron
gotta be patient my friend- id help but i have no clue about anything ps4 related
normal knot
oh, well then... when can someone help me?
sterile iron
when someone who knows how to help sees your message c:
normal knot
but how long could that take?
sterile iron
no clue
languid flume
youre connecting your controlle r to your pc right?
normal knot
yes I am
languid flume
and youre using big picture mode on steam?
normal knot
I downloaded transistor through Epic games
languid flume
ah
normal knot
ah indeed
languid flume
ive never had an issue with epic and controller support
normal knot
oh
languid flume
im sorry im not sure i can help ;;
sterile iron
is there an epic games support forum? if there is you might be able to find some help there too
normal knot
a support forum?
sterile iron
i found forums on the subject but they're not rlly helpful
normal knot
believe me this is my final reosrt, I have tried everything else I can think of
oh well
thanks I guess
near wagon
the PS4 controller can be partially or fully ignored or forgotten if you have other stuff plugged in
wispy stratus
Continuing from #supergiant-games
I'm not that well versed on depictions of lgbt presentation in media but i felt like it wasn't the focus of the characters. I do agree that the implications are very much unfortunate
I'm probably not as sensitive to this stuff though since I'm more in the demographic that gets completely ignored by most writers
calm jackal
It's a story with a fairly small main cast, most of which is villains. It's gross but I can imagine that it could be unintentional
brisk talon
I mean ... the lesbian stalks the (presumed straight) main character and tries to assassinate her male love interest; the two gay men have a thirty-year age gap, commit suicide and are called cowards
It's ... not subtle
Like it is very precisely nailing homophobic tropes in re: lesbians and gay men specifically
And speaking as a lesbian myself I was quite upset by Sybil's portrayal.
Like I loved transistor and I even enjoyed this story but I don't think this should be glossed over
calm jackal
I guess red being bi and reciprocating somewhat is totally fanon, now that I think of it
wispy stratus
👆 as far as i can recall
When i played the game i saw Sybil's character flaws as being problems with her personality rather than a stereotype of her sexuality, and the same with the nature of grant and asher's relationship and actions
This probably says a lot about how far in the back seat sexual orientations are for me
sterile iron
s same
personally, i never sensed anything homophobic about the game- everything felt like it was just who the characters were
calm jackal
Yeah it's important not to ignore the gross stereotypical reading tho
wispy stratus
But to people for whom these issues are central to their identity it's definitely not the most sensitive game
brisk talon
As one of those people, yes
wispy stratus
Thanks for taking the time to bring this up btw
I find discussing this kind of stuff can be a bit stressful
But having more awareness is nice
brisk talon
♡ no problem
floral plank
Huh, for some reason I thought it's canon nobody in cloudbank cares about non-hetero couples or anything like that. Might've been because of some of the traces we see. Traces never mention relationships (or even gender, aside from pronouns) iirc, but many of them make the impression that they don't fit in traditional gender roles at all. But that's not explicitly stated, so... ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Please correct me if I'm wrong about the relationship status in Traces thing.
near wagon
relationship status is true but there is a gender section
that's how people got the mini celebration over the gender: X person trace
brisk talon
i mean, it's also possible for worldbuilding to say "nobody in this universe cares about homophobia!" even as the narrative reinforces homophobic tropes
spring plover
I wasn't even aware those tropes existed when I played Transistor - and still haven't encountered them "in the wild" so to speak but that's more likely because I've just literally almost never consumed any media with LGBT characters in it until pretty recently in my life (didn't know it existed) - and although the age gap was kinda weird, I didn't notice any of the other things until people pointed them out. I'm about 100% sure it wasn't intentional, but it is really unfortunate, and something (cough) gives me the feeling that there are folks on the team who still aren't particularly aware of that stereotyping broadly speaking. It's easy for it to fly under the radar if you don't know what you're looking at, which I want to make clear isn't an excuse
wow forgot what server I was on, sorry lol
hahaha
shrewd root
I saw it, but I won't tell 
spring plover
shhhh
but yeah Pyre let me down on a similar front in a lot of ways, moreso than Transistor which, again, kinda gets a pass in that 75% of its appearing characters are villains which strikes me less as intentional bigotry and more as unfortunate coincidence that was probably meant to imply that cloudbank was extremely open about that stuff and ended up reinforcing stereotypes (again, not an excuse, could have and should have been more thoughtfully executed, etc)
intent only goes as far as the reader starts reading lol
floral plank
To be fair, "villian" is debatable.
But "antagonist", sure. Doesn't make it much better.
near wagon
what about the murder part
even if not villain, premeditated murder makes them criminals
spring plover
they're pretty villainous fhdjfkg
righteous villains are a thing
like someone can be totally convinced they're in the right and still be doing objectively bad stuff, theory and philosophy don't make villains not be villains
near wagon
more like, having good intentions does not make the actions right, or make the person righteous
self-righteousness is a dangerous thing
and the absence of malice also does not guarantee the actions are right
the camerata did have good intentions about the city, but also did premeditated murder on people who by all means did not deserve it
so my conclusion is that I agree that they are pretty villainous
the steorotypes thing... I'm still ambivalent about it
spring plover
Oh yeah sorry i meant self-righteous
I mean you can accept that simultaneously:
-characters play into stereotypes that some people are consciously aware of and actively hurt by
-characters play into stereotypes that people may not be aware of on a conscious level but would still associate with LGBT characters and/or real people
-characters play into stereotypes that are not recognized at all by some people
-characters were not written with the explicit intent to fall into stereotypes
like all those conditions can and do coexist
your or my personal ambivalence doesn't mean that there isn't harm being done somewhere, or that the majority of people aren't having a subconscious stereotype reinforced by seeing these tropes play out
near wagon
very true
spring plover
unfortunately i haven't researched it and don't know for myself how like...actually prevalent or widely known those stereotypes are
But I believe folks who've been directly affected when they say they're a problem
near wagon
I've seen the rare exceptions to that, but in this case I agree that it's not an exception
spring plover
Yeah, like I said I take folks at their word - just haven't had the displeasure of seeing it with my own eyes lol.
brisk talon
the "predatory lesbian" stereotype is something that I internalized as a kid & which hurt me a lot, & i'm not the only person I know for whom that's true
obviously I can't personally speak on behalf of the "cowardly gay men die" but I trust my friends who are gay men who have been hurt by the same
so yes, I can testify that these tropes are still real & harmful, & they matter
spring plover
I've encountered the bits of it that are similar to like, the predatory stereotyping of basically all LGBT people - the assumption that we're constantly creeping on The Straights™
I wasn't aware there was a like specific lesbian subset of it though, and the cowardly gay thing is actually something I'm hearing about for the first time, unless you mean the general "bury your gays" phenomenon - I don't mean this as a like "prove yourself" but I do want to like see an example of how it shows up in other media? If you have one off the top of your head
near wagon
no, it's not the bury your gays but it's part of it (subtrope?)
it's more the thing of gay men are emotionally weak (effeminate) and can't face reality
spring plover
oh huh
near wagon
which isn't true most of the times in real life, but it's something people assumed
spring plover
oh yeah no obviously not
brisk talon
& yeah I don't believe that anyone on the Transistor team was intentionally like, yeah we'll make the lesbian a stalker and the gay men will commit suicide, but that's the insidious thing about these tropes (& others like them) -- they pop up in the psyches of perfectly well-meaning people, because they're the predominant narrative. they "just make sense", it's "just how the character formed"
spring plover
yeah I get that
brisk talon
which is why i think it's worthwhile to challenge them when they do pop up
spring plover
For sure
Sorry I wasn't trying to say it wasn't worth it - if people hadn't been criticizing it I wouldn't have even been aware of it so like
i mean more that any one person's experience of the game and/or the intent behind it don't cancel out that the tropes will be recognized by some subset of people, and will be accepted by an even larger subset
and that those things can coexist
brisk talon
yeah! yeah, your points were all super valid
near wagon
if we look at the way bastion had no visible LGBT+ cast, transistor does but badly, then we have pyre where it's subtle but much less stereotypical (Volfred)
jaunty fable
near wagon
no fiction is perfect
spring plover
i have lots of jars of pyre-flavored salt i've been sitting on
brisk talon
oh i'm always down to salt
spring plover
oh haha i'll only spam pyre channel if people want to have that discussion
jaunty fable
i guess some of it has faded over the years but salt has a long shelf life
brisk talon
near wagon
look, one reason I love this discord server is because we can say those things and not get dogpiled by fanatics insisting the games are perfect
we can actually discuss and talk about both the good and the bad, I love this
brisk talon
👏 hell yeah!
floral plank
I think it's weird Grant is labelled a "coward" by the oh-so-objective-and-statistical HUD tabs. He is the big player behind it all, the man who calls the shots, the ruler whom people barely knew exists (Dao De Jing). He makes the impression of a noble and virtuous man who knows when to give up. The HUD seems to believe he's just too afraid to face Red, which was comical to me at first, but now I'm not so sure anymore.
hot tree
it's by the game interface and the boxer, yeah
............again, i don't know if it was intentional, but the whole setup with how those two die is pretty homophobic, and it definitely upset me when i played.
wispy stratus
tempted to bring up this whole discussion next time there's a relevant ask supergiant
floral plank
I wonder if they ever thought of it this way.
hot tree
i don't think they'd have to consciously think of it that way to live in a society where we're surrounded by homophobic tropes 😔 some of which are bound to get into even well intentioned peoples' stories if they don't know what specifically to look for
brisk talon
^^^
sterile iron
if only i could make my laptop make the OVC terminal noise whenever i opened it
wispy stratus
sgg has the sound effects as a free download and if you're on windows you can set custom sounds
floral plank
The sound effects are available as free downloads? Now I want to make a sound mod using these, but I don't know for what game.
wintry verge
to think everyone in transistor couldve survived the process by just jumping in the canals or something
to elaborate: after you beat royce you come back to cloudbank which has been 100% processed
the thing is you see the water below you that looks just fine
floral plank
The water is fine because it swam away
still zealot
The process didn't bring its swimsuit
sterile iron
i always imagined it was inder the water
like the ground becoming white and maybe the fish being processed
brisk talon
Oooooo
calm jackal
The country is actually atlantis
floral plank
would processed fish float, sink, or just freeze at whatever position they were when processed?
sterile iron
tiny submarine like devices?
ornate silo
I have my laptop set to make portal sounds, but now I feel like its time to upgrade to transistor
blissful blaze
i just want my phone to make ovc terminal noises
sterile iron
my phone makes ovc terminal noises when i get a notif
it used to be rucks saying "sorry about the interruption" or something like that
ornate silo
I downloaded some sounds to my phone once I don't remember if it was this phone or not