ngl i thought the kid was... well, a kid,
#bastion
floral dagger
surreal bramble
same i thot he was 18-ish until i did the math
deep schooner
lol drafted at 8 XD
floral dagger
but then i remembered that final scene when you carry zulf's body and all the uras shooting you and i was like STOP HES LIKE TWELVE
harsh nexus
when rucks talked abt his history i was like OH.....
surreal bramble
yah :((
harsh nexus
KDKVNVN URA: HES LIKE 21, I CAN SHOOT
deep schooner
give the 8 y/o a gun!
surreal bramble
"all this stress is bad for the baby"
"what baby"
"me"
harsh nexus
the ura: what do you have to say for yourself
kid: im baby?
zulf: you heard him, hes baby
surreal bramble
haahahhahaahha
deep schooner
little beby
surreal bramble
-rucks specifically, known for his parenting prowess
i am glad we figured out the kid's in his 20s tho because i had been very worried about a teenager just going ham on the spirits
floral dagger
yeah and wielding weapons ranging from kitchen knife to nuke launcher
surreal bramble
im still lauhging so hard at
"Walk by a kid holding a machete and a mortar... you just keep on walking"
harsh nexus
lemon demon voice evil babies, evil babies with guns
floral dagger
bastion but if you fall off the map it's permadeath
harsh nexus
splatstion
floral dagger
since you're not supposed to be able to go back up
bastion is just hardcore minecraft skyblock
surreal bramble
falling off is my #1 cause of death in bastion because i have a terminal case of bad-at-judging-distances-itus
dusk sparrow
so... stereo-blindness?
cedar patio
busts in super late i always put the kid at ~23 bc leaving school at 15/16 for the wall makes the most sense & i feel like he did less than 10 yrs on the wall bc he was still a mason when the calamity happened
surreal bramble
very valid!
dire ravine
was bastion their first game
ivory cloud
yes
dire ravine
oke
dusk sparrow
Did they make crappy flash games before Bastion and are too ashamed to talk about it?
It's ok I can't even make a clickable button in Flash
ruby cairn
some of he team had come from other studios iirc, but as to that specifically, I don't think so
oblique quail
I think their first game as a studio was Bastion. I'm not sure where most came from, but many of them were industry vets. I think Kasavin is one of the odd ones out that his experience was in the media side instead of game dev.
violet valve
First was Bastion yeah, published by Warner Brothers. From their it was Transistor, Pyre and Hades all self published
cedar patio
the only thing that matters in bastion is the evac ending where rucks puts his coat over the kid while he's sleeping
lean yarrow
I hope when, or if, bastion gets remastered, there will be a rebuild ending added
zenith smelt
I feel like Bastion (and really, all their games) hold up well enough that they don't need a remaster
like, bastion is what, 7 years old now?
lean yarrow
there is no need, yet if there is a remaster it'll be like extra dessert for us
wet bone
yeah we sure don't Need a bastion remaster, but if they said 'hey, here's a bastion remaster'? delicious
whole echo
proud karma
ivory cloud
sonic current
Bastion still works and looks great
solar tartan
Bastion HD:
The art style is totally replaced by photorealistic images
Every weapon is streamlined so they all play pretty much the same
There's a free drum loop added to every song
harsh nexus
terrible
native totem
Weapons are given to you in loot boxes that have cosmetics mixed it
zenith smelt
rebuilding the bastion is a clash of clans style timegate
proud karma
Also you have to pay to get your baby squirt
cedar patio
the baby squirt is the most important part of the game
next harness
Thoughts from my latest playthrough:
- One day I will get those last two achievements (About the Author, Hard Bargain).
- I will, however, never ||leave Zulf|| again. Once was enough. (only did it to see what happens)
- I would 100% visit a pub that served drinks from the Distillery.
chrome prawn
Knowing is half the battle with those achievements. Find a guide online or something. Hard Bargain can be cheesed easily. About the Author is very difficult even when you do know what you are doing, but its definitely doable.
next harness
I wasn't aiming for them yet. You got them?
chrome prawn
Yeah 100% complete
fast oriole
Does anyone here know if you can still get physcial copies of bastion for switch? looking right now but cant find any (probably because im stupid)
violet valve
Since it was run by Limited run games i highly doubt it
Your best bet would be ebay unfortunately
fast oriole
starting to think they only released is for ps4... there might still be hope
violet valve
They were
It's on the nintendo e-shop
But no physical versions exist that I know of (on the switch)
inland prairie
Hey @violet valve sorry for the lateness of the reply, but there is not currently a physical version of Bastion on Switch. There are still VERY limited copies of it on PS4 and Vita, though, on our online store.
violet valve
Ahh, I forgot that the vita also got a physical release
Thanks for the reply ^_^
austere bronze
just replayed through bastion twice
ivory cloud
living your best life i see
austere bronze
yes, I am
vast jewel
Bastion for 2 pounds on steam?! What a steal!
cloud elbow
Only 2 pounds to purchase, but significantly more heavy to play.
late halo
2 pounds of money to buy, 10 pounds of tears by the end
proper depot
Agreed ☝️
dusk sparrow
tears are heavier than tax
next harness
Tears also heavier than (I know Bastion spoilers are OK, but still) ||Zulf's unconscious body||.
proud karma
i dunno, a feels trigger warning is a good reason to hide text
coarse tulip
is it possible to lose a core?
coarse tulip
got u
im got to a surival mode, after clickin in a bottle in the bastion
is it infinite?
smoking pipe
spark pebble
proud karma
I think the whole album was mentioned and linked in #off-topic-discussion and #music
native totem
My opinion is that it doesn't matter to me, bastions combat was not my focus playing thought the game, so I didn't care that it was relatively easy
the story, world building and art
Those where the games main strengths for me
oh and the music of course
the story of the ura and calendar heads
surreal bramble
like, the whole overarching story yh
surreal bramble
maybe so, but it woulda been an entirely different game w/ an entirely different point then, and i quite liked bastion's points and feel
native totem
I think that this is a bit of a misapplication of that concept
you can tell a story with words
surreal bramble
yeah its a framing device a bit
i thought it was a really fun and fresh way of doing things ahahha
wet bone
that's not what showing versus telling is
surreal bramble
yeah, and? it lets us draw our own conclusions
the calamaty isnt the point
its what we do afterwards
native totem
but again, showing the calamity just removes all the mystery from the story
prime bobcat
People make typos, it's fine
surreal bramble
yeah sorry im trying to get my point out before the convo moves on
(i didnt mean that to sound rude sorry haha)
harsh nexus
hi there, i'd like to ask, as saba did before, that the conversation in here remain civil.
prime bobcat
^^^
native totem
the calamity is the event that sets the plot in motion
but what happens after is the theme of the game
surreal bramble
its a catalyst fr sure, but imo the focus of the game is on how you deal w/ the ura, how you deal w the fact that your people did something like that, and how to move on from it? thats what i took
yeah!
fr ichoren
native totem
forgiveness, holding grudges, letting go of the old world
surreal bramble
yes ^^
prime bobcat
Hey Muncher maybe don't be rude to a mod
Who is trying to keep things under control in here
native totem
I think that if you played through the calamity, it would undermine the focus of the game
the point is what happens after
surreal bramble
well i mean, you're entitled to your opinion
harsh nexus
muncher, i reminded the chat of this because this conversation seems to be veering in an aggressive direction- this had not changed since saba's warning, that's all.
native totem
that saba't right
surreal bramble
its not supposed to be an argument, im not here to argue fr sure
whos heated? its a game
prime bobcat
You're entitled to your opinion, but I don't understand why you're spending so much energy trying to convince us all that our opinions are wrong.
I don't think anyone's going to change anyone's mind. Muncher, you're free to let us all have our opinions, but when many of us enjoy the game, it's not fun to be told "actually here are all the reasons it's bad and I hate it"
You're free to hate it! But sometimes ... you can let things go. It's okay.
surreal bramble
thats fine
native totem
And its fine for you to think that
surreal bramble
personally, i dont agree, but the flashback is a pretty neat idea
native totem
I responded with why I don't feel the same way
lean yarrow
I thought the calamity happened in a flash, I guess this is the equivalent of how in ori the mother died offscreen
lyric swift
so I feel like Bastion uses En Media Res in a way that's different from Ori that isn't necessarily better or worse
Like we start "in the middle of things" and the tale is about how the three survivors deal with the fallout of being placed in that situation, if that makes sense
surreal bramble
(i dont know what en media res entails cld someone help me out?)
native totem
ori definitely took its damn time, but once it got going
lyric swift
it literally means "in the middle of things" !
surreal bramble
thank u!!
lyric swift
np
surreal bramble
yeah i really like that part
native totem
in the middle of action, with the events leading up to it explained along the way
native totem
because mystery man in the sky tells you to
surreal bramble
yeah, you arent at all curious?
native totem
It can be
lean yarrow
blind obedience is something discussed in the game, like how Zia believed her boyfriend only to be framed as Ura spy, forcing her father to work on the machine that lead to the Calamity
native totem
I whole heartedly dissagree
surreal bramble
here and i thought we all want to find out what happens next ahahah
lyric swift
also because like... Rucks is all the kid has left at this point, I think ultimately the reason he always comes back and ||rescues Zia after she runs away|| is because they're all he has left aha
surreal bramble
yes its a big theme!! good point sol
lean yarrow
should you really listen to what others tell you to do or make your own mind? you are forced to obey Rucks initially but you can defy at the end, for his sake as well
native totem
curiosity
surreal bramble
to find out what happens, to learn more, to help?
native totem
curious about who the man is, what he wants, who the kid is, what the bastion does
it does
surreal bramble
tbh my main drive in most of it was genuinely wanting to help people be okay and see if anyone more survived as well
native totem
what about detective, mystery and crime books, games, and movies
lean yarrow
humans are curious by nature, it's better to be driven by this than simple level ups and power ups
surreal bramble
what can i say, im soft™
lyric swift
Bastion definitely has a lot less player agency than the later titles by SGG, but I still enjoy the story and experience overall
surreal bramble
same ^^
lean yarrow
fictions should not be all identical, but diverse as the audience
lyric swift
For player agency Pyre is the best one imo
wet bone
i dunno, i think it has more agency than transistor
native totem
aro chivalry is dead
lyric swift
honestly? maybe
native totem
It deff could if done right
lean yarrow
plus, show is better than telling for amateurs, true masters tell the story
prime bobcat
Supergiant games are about exploring the story -- learning more about what has happened and is happening to you as the story moves forward.
It's a style of storytelling I, personally, really enjoy.
lyric swift
cause what's special about the Bastion narration is that Rucks's story and the Kid's story are happening simultaneously
surreal bramble
yeah, unreliable narrator
lyric swift
the Kid is Us, and we are the main character, but the ^yeah that
prime bobcat
... what?
lyric swift
like I LOVE the dream sequence level when Rucks said "the kid never did much like to talk to us about that"
surreal bramble
yeaH it was good
lyric swift
It helps demonstrate that the narrative details are limited on both sides
surreal bramble
the pipe as well
lean yarrow
yeah because Rucks was telling the story to Zia, and that story was told by Kid to Rucks
lyric swift
which is why, in my own opinion, the choice to not make Zulf a narrator was a great choice
because it's not his story, it's not the Uras' story, it's the Survivor's story
surreal bramble
i mean, dragon age 2 does like, the same thing as bastion in this
wet bone
muncher, what it comes down to is that this could have totally been a calm, measured discussion about how different people have different preferences for storytelling styles, but you started the conversation by talking about how much bastion sucks.
lean yarrow
any form of storytelling can have its strength, this is what I believe in
wet bone
also, you initially started talking about why the mechanics are bad, and i think it's interesting that you've moved the goalposts to talking about story.
you started this discussion by saying bastion was so tedious you wanted to kill yourself
that's not criticism, that's saying it sucks
prime bobcat
It was saying it sucks
lyric swift
just me mindful that humor and sarcasm is hard to convey over text.
delicate tartan
I'm sorry?
harsh nexus
excuse me?
surreal bramble
h?
surreal bramble
thats just uncalled for
prime bobcat
Oh my god dude.
surreal bramble
whatever man im gna let the mods deal w u
prime bobcat
No one's saying we literally thought you wanted to kill yourself.
But saying "this game makes me want to kill myself" IS DEFINITELY a way of saying "this game sucks and I hate it"
lyric swift
*her
prime bobcat
Making fun of people's typos serves no purpose and isn't winning you any points
surreal bramble
anyway something i really liked abt bastion is that i always felt like it was really balanced? the combat system isnt all that sophisticated, hit it until it goes down, but i never felt like it was getting tedious or frustrating, which i really liked
violet valve
Seren was correcting munchers use of pronouns how is that "making fun of peoples typos"
Serens pronouns are literally one of her roles
surreal bramble
i believe bird's comment was about the constant repetition, which was a mocking of a typo
but anyway
i really adore the music also sgg music always reverbs straight into my soul
surreal bramble
its sooo good
wet bone
i'll forever be greatful for no sweat mode
i'm bad w motor skills + hadn't played many video games and no sweat made bastion the first video game i ever beat :')
surreal bramble
yeah, i have horrible depth perception, even in video games so i keep falling off the edge ahahahahahahhaha
awh thats so good! im glad!!
violet valve
Ahhh, context is hard when there's several convos happening at once 😂
violet valve
The ost 
it's phenominal
surreal bramble
Big Mood yeah i honestly listened to it fr a whole week straight
violet valve
Definitely didn't cry at the end of bastion, nope, not at all 😇
surreal bramble
i'd've listened to it longer but i played pyre and listened to that one instead 😂
surreal bramble
yeah... i honestly wasnt that wreaked the first time i played it but i went to stream it for a friend and as soon as i opened it. Oof.
sometimes it takes a minute for things to Process and Boy Howdy
lean yarrow
the more you play the more you get attached so the more wrecked you get
wet bone
i keep trying to finish a third bastion playthrough and restarting before i get to the ura levels 😰
lean yarrow
the worse is Rucks tells you that the Caels and Ura used to be not get along but that was in the past, and then immediately sends you off to forcibly take from Ura again
and the way Rucks paused and hesitated implied that he himself was aware of the hypocrisy, not to mention he was telling the story to Zia, an Ura no less
(or he was not aware until Zia glared at him, it's left to our imagination)
twilit oar
Hey, recently tried to install and start Bastion on a new computer but when I go to launch it, steam says it starts running for about a second but then nothing starts and steam acts like it's been closed. I'm running Windows 10 and have tried every compatibility setting. Game launches fine if I use the legacy beta version. Any ideas?
peak bolt
@twilit oar If you go into the steam program files, you should be able to directly access the .exe file for Bastion - try running it directly from there (and ofc the famed "run as administrator") just to rule out a steam issue?
twilit oar
Did that already yeah, didn't work from there either. And we changed the other compatability things aswell
peak bolt
Mk. I assume you also tried the other steps on this guide? https://supergiantgames-kb.groovehq.com/help/bastion-wont-start
round mango
5 players 1 controller run of Bastion @ ESA Saturday the 27th
Oh hey Kazzadan is here
Good luck with the run 
Wish I was at ESA
violet valve
gl with the run Kazza ^_^
peak bolt
if we can get the game running, lol
twilit oar
The game runs a bit faster on none legacy, that's why we're trying to find out the issue. Will try the things in the guide! Thanks guys!
peak bolt
Np! If you're still having trouble, there are instructions in #hades-tech-fixes-old for pulling up windows error reports in the event viewer, those could give you a better idea of what's going on, and worst comes to worst, you can do a dxdiag and/or send those error reports to support@supergiantgames.com
twilit oar
It runs fine on legacy, so probably won't bug Supergiant about it. But will check out the hades tech fix!
wheat flint
happy 8th birthday bastion!! 🎉
late halo
I will NEVER get tired of picking up zulf
lyric swift
Happy Birthday Bastion!!!
cedar patio
god.... i cant believe how long it's been....
late halo
the kid just sits down and reflects a moment....
lyric swift
He’s an Adult at this point
wet bone
i mean he's spent at least five years on the wall, so i assumed he was in his early twenties
since he's in the middle of his second shift
i assumed sixteen as the youngest plausible age he could have signed up for his first
but he's certainly no longer the Kid ...........
(rucks voice) kid's come a long way
wet bone
i mean. he would have to have enlisted when he was eleven
which seems. excessively young
twilit urchin
i figured he enlisted at 16, which puts him finishing his first shift at 21 and then he's like 22, 23 by the time of the game
wet bone
yeah that's also what i figured
cedar patio
yeah also what i figured
late halo
he rolled up in his jansport ready for 5th grade and was like “please send me to the worst place u can imagine”
wet bone
seventh and eighth grade are worse imo
surreal bramble
thats valid and fair
harsh nexus
yeah seventh and eighth are bad
surreal bramble
kid bastion in 5th grade rolling up like hey send me to 7th grade
ivory cloud
yay!!
cedar patio
it's really so gorgeous
dusky garden
It absolutely is.
Also the very first videogame I finished and will be on my channel from beginning to end.
I am super happy over the whole situation.
Transistor is next
cloud elbow
Excellent next choice
dire ravine
hey guys any suggestions on how to do all idol who knowes where
proud karma
Get all the healing drinks
No drops and it's hard to burst them down, so you need to be able to last
Garmuth and olak also mess with fast but weak weapons so i don't recommend any of those either
Getting good with counter blocking and buffing that too will help a lot
Also watch out for acobi's grenades
It's pretty easy to get one-shot by a cluster of them
chrome prawn
This is a good guide. There are sever others. Just got to look.
Some of the more important points: Pike+ mortar is very good for 10 idols. Kite enemies a lot. Cheese enemies using cover as much as possible. Upgrade the mortar to do no self damage. Leechade is good. Don't give up. Its hard, but its more doable than it looks. Worth it 100%
proud karma
Pike is definitely a good choice
High damage, range and armour piercing upgrade
Also knockback is great against some enemies
twilit oar
Pike is pretty scary. Pike thrusts count as ranged attacks for the idol that deflects
proud karma
Wait so they can reflect and hit another enemy?
visual ridge
Bold of Supergiant to assume that I'm not already listening to Bastion's OST
onyx grove
Man I realized I bought Bastion about seven years ago and that brings back memories of my first completed game.
visual ridge
It's so good
hollow flower
And haven't changed it since
visual ridge
(ayyyy FLCL propic)
hollow flower
It even ages beautifully
Aww yiss. No one else recognizes it even though FLCL is partially in the pic. Oh well
visual ridge
It's the cigarette
hollow flower
Instantly recognizable
harsh nexus
the pantheon is such a good song.... i want logan to sing more
late halo
that “thank ya” he does at the end
harsh nexus
YEAH...
wheat flint
getting emotional over setting sail coming home™
harsh nexus
mood
hollow flower
Yessss
delicate patio
Suddenly, my YouTube sub box exploded with the Bastion OST lol
remote folio
I know, right! That was extremely unexpected.
harsh nexus
whoever just said the forbidden word, i also think bastion drinks would be cool
onyx grove
Sorry Proxy. I also mentioned non-alcoholic versions would also be great.
For fans under the legal age for drinking alcohol
onyx grove
That would be so cool to have exist. Now I want that to exist!
late halo
Buncha cans of squirt soda
onyx grove
Pitchers full of Hearty Punch at every table
onyx grove
You mean the ripe vineapples. That would be neat
proud karma
Aren't vineapples the explosive ones?
onyx grove
There are green, yellow, and red vine-apples
Green ones explode into healing, the others just explode
proud karma
I'm thinking of the things that you see on trees sometimes
onyx grove
Oh those. Those would also be neat to have as a cake or pastry
onyx grove
It was something with exotic spices
proud karma
I think so
Since it was in a stockpot and all
A whole artichoke with a googly eye inserted in the top
onyx grove
Or a durian with an eye on it
The stink would give the full experience of eating something from the wilds
proud karma
Shards and cores made from hard candy?
south knoll
y’all I just tried to play bastion on PS4 bc bastion day and I can confirm.... I suck
fallen comet
I think that's the right channel to ask about it, so pardon me, but I'm gonna interrupt you for a moment
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAVmk4E07NQ
Was this masterpiece in game? If it was, then when did it play?
ivory cloud
bonus trackio! and one of my favorites !!
fallen comet
So that's why I didn't recognize it
Thank you very much ❤
Also I no longer can choose my favourite tracks, but this one is definitely high on the list
proud karma
My top two are build that wall and faith of jevel, in no particular order
Everything else is either classed as like or less like
hollow pilot
First time I heard "Build That Wall" I took my hands off the M/KB and just sat there.
proud karma
It's such a strong moment in the game
fallen comet
Haven't played the game in a while but I agree
umbral plinth
I still sing it to myself every now and then.
wet bone
oh man yeah ........ that was such a cool moment :0
hollow pilot
I may or may not use "Setting Sail, Coming Home" as a timer in my head at work.
safe galleon
Listening to supergiant soundtracks at work is such a mood
late halo
Pyre chat got me thinkin about it but awhile ago someone posted a playlist for rucks I think that had Archive’s “Bullets” on it and I thought that was just a perfect fit https://youtu.be/V6nbFZtxAL4
next harness
People comenting about Cyberpunk but all I can hear is FTL.
wet bone
ooh man i wish i had a switch copy
cedar patio
all sgg games are beautiful but i think bastion is the most
twilit oar
I'm so hyped for the run
dusky garden
Played Bastion and Hades so far.
Can confirm that Bastion is something special alright.
Not gonna lie, when I finished the game and listened to Setting Sail/Coming Home, I actually had to suppress some tears. The game, the ending, everything about it was beautiful.
south breach
every sgg game so far has made me cry and i expect hades to do the same
dusky garden
I am just waiting for Hades to come around and slap my face with some heavy emotions.
late halo
I know Achilles will pay off in that department
dusky garden
Just a matter of time.
surreal bramble
me too ahahaha
native totem
Hades made cry back when I was stuck on the hydra
wet bone
me too ........ i think i cried harder at the ending of pyre but i definitely did tear up for bastion
thick surge
Story-Time. I had just beaten Bastion, and heard that song for the first time causing me to cry... when suddenly my dad calls my name in a stern and demanding voice and I go upstairs.
I had been failing in school and refusing to do homework (despite legitimately acing tests) from apathy, etc.
Well, I was “grounded” from gaming as punishment. I think that helped the game have a more lasting imprint, but I never played it all the way through after that. I remember every detail, and the sheer nostalgia of the game makes it better in my memory. Yes, I bought the songs 😃
dusky garden
By the way, I finished my playthrough of Bastion, the final episode went on my channel yesterday.
I was super rambly at the end during the credits, if you feel that might be something you could be interested in, give it a shot.
cedar patio
u know what kills me about this game? when you find zia and zulf is smiling. like break my damn heart why don't you
wet bone
YEAH........the brief moment when things are looking up for the gang before it all goes to hell
dusky garden
What breaks my heart is the sheer stupidity of the Ura.
The world went down the drain, every life should be precious and they just throw away their own lifes for literally nothing.
dusky garden
Those Ura came to OUR Bastion, ruined everything and left a mess
lean yarrow
And they need and know their shards can be used to stabilize the blown world
They only came to our bastion because 1) Zulf told them to come 2) Zia wanted to go with them and 3) the bomb was definitely meant to wipe out the Ura
dusky garden
That does not change the fact that nothing the Ura did had any kind of logic.
lean yarrow
And the remaining machine/bomb technology is in our bastion
dusky garden
They were just holding a grudge and fought that out
without any proper thought spend on how to ensure the actual survival of the their people.
In my playthrough, I was actually shocked at the Uras willingness to throw away their lifes for literally nothing.
Absolutely nothing.
hollow pilot
So are you just ignoring what he's saying that the Ura thought raiding Rucks' Bastion would let them make their own?
lean yarrow
No, they took the energy source that was gathered by Kid and used it to make the calamity cannon and the stabilizers
And it was not for nothing, it was faith
Faith that they can fix this mess, just like our faith in rucks plan
dusky garden
Difference being that the Uras faith is actually been driven by religion.
But we never managed to get an indepth look into their culture and/or what their plans was.
The fact remains that the Ura were basicly a big bunch of people who survived
hollow pilot
The Ura thought they could make their OWN Bastion by taking parts from ours.
dusky garden
and who ended up throwing away their lifes over a grudge
lean yarrow
They did not do that in name of a god, they did it to salvage their home
dusky garden
To a kid, no less.
hollow pilot
Why are you ignoring this?
lean yarrow
Faith in the ability to harness the technology used to make the mess
dusky garden
The Ura have been established to be much more religious than the citizens of Caelondia throughout the game.
And there are plenty entities who tried to build a "bastion" of some sorts
Wild Animals included
But Rucks Bastion was the only Bastion that, according to him, had the potencial to actually undo the calamity entirely
(if and how much merit there is to that ending is up for another discussion)
hollow pilot
So you take Rucks' at HIS word but not the Ura's at theirs?
Rucks is in a unique position given that he is literally one of the engineers of the Calamity, true.
dusky garden
The Ura never said any word to me.
broken palm
And maybe the Ura just... didn't know that?
proud karma
it's likely that the bastion was a well kept secret, considering that the kid didn't know anything about the hidden functions of the city crest
hollow pilot
Because they have NO reason to trust anyone from Caelondia.
dusky garden
And no, I did not take Rucks word for granted. Which is why I went with the evacuation ending
@broken palm That's the problem, them not knowing a thing!
Just acting out of holding a (justified) grudge
It starts with Zulf who DID know, pretty much
broken palm
facepalms
dusky garden
more than anything at the time he wrecked the bastion because not only did he know what the bastion can do but also what was said in the hournal
He could have given the Ura the full picture
broken palm
I think you're confusing your willful ignorance with the Ura's, at this point.
dusky garden
I am not.
broken palm
It's been explained to you, and you keep blithely ignoring what you're being told, and holding onto your theory.
proud karma
the journal only contained venn's notes so it wouldn't have anything on the bastion
dusky garden
It's either A: Zulf did not inform the Ura over the bigger picture or B: the Ura did not care.
And both are unreasonable decisions.
broken palm
But it's not "Absolutely nothing" like you keep shouting
dusky garden
But Zulf lived in Caelondia for a while and if we go by what Rucks says, people in Caelondia knew about the Bastion
Also, I am not shouting.
proud karma
i don't think it's wrong to say that the ura were acting out of hatred, but it's also clear that a lot of the information about the bastion and caelondia's plans would've been very difficult to find out
they may have known about the bastion being a safe place, but not all its capabilities
dusky garden
But Zulf knew
proud karma
i also don't think it's unreasonable to try and take the resources from a weaker seeming group during tough times, as the historical record on wars can tell you
twilit urchin
did he?
proud karma
the only thing that we know he knows about in detail is the calamity plan
broken palm
mutes channel
dusky garden
That's the next thing, for whatever reason, the Bastion Party wasn't even the weak party.
The kid singlehandedly took down all of the Ura survivors
Or many of them at the very least
proud karma
they weren't but you wouldn't expect a girl, an old man and a kid to win against all the warriors in a tribe
thus weaker-seeming
they were very wrong of course
dusky garden
Yes, but that's the thing
They were wrong about that multiple times.
The ambush on the Bastion after meeting Zulf being the first instance
proud karma
the rest was the kid counterattacking, so technically they were only wrong once
dusky garden
Arguably.
They still had Zia and knew that the kid would be coming for her.
Not trying to smooth things out while also fighting back when the kid shows up at their door easily qualifies as mistake number 2 and 3.
proud karma
she went with them willingly, so i'm not sure that's how they would've seen it
dusky garden
She went with them willingly yes
but they did not know that.
And remember:
The kid has searched Zia for 7 days straight
proud karma
we don't know if they knew either actually
twilit urchin
how would they not know that zia went with them
twilit urchin
degrand, i don't actually know what point you're trying to argue here any more?
proud karma
i think it's that the ura were in the wrong
dusky garden
The point is that the Ura acted unreasonable throughout the entire game which led to them losing a big part of their surviving population
which is just a terrible waste of life in the face of catastrophe for literally no other reason than holding a grudge.
twilit urchin
...unreasonable?
dusky garden
Yes, unreasonable.
proud karma
the kid was pretty deep into ura territory so it's unlikely he wouldn't have seen them
twilit urchin
the calamity was intended to murder their entire race
dusky garden
Yes.
And trashing the one thing that could prevent said purge and/or could be used to save the surviving people was trashed without a solid plan to back it up while the following events ended up decimating the survivng members even further.
And I mean
Let us look at it from the other side
twilit urchin
even rucks says they have every reason to be angry
proud karma
before you go further
dusky garden
Even the Ura noticed how wrong their way of approaching the topic was
They did not show it by doing anything reasonable, know
proud karma
i don't think assuming they knew about the ability of the bastion to restore is a good basis for an argument
dusky garden
They took Zulf as a scapegoat and beat him up to vent some more.
twilit urchin
now you're just blatantly interpreting everything to fit your idea
dusky garden
Being Angry is one thing, acting on impulse another.
proud karma
and it's clear that they had plans and countermeasures to deal with the calamity and its fallout
dusky garden
What made that clear?
proud karma
the barriers they made, for one
to block the calamity from encroaching in their homes
a lot of resources would have to go into building a system like that on such short notice
basically all the ura would need to pitch in
it's unlikely that they would be able to convince so many of their people to participate if they didn't have some kind of organisation and plan
not to mention the resources needed to get thirty-odd warriors to attack an enemy stronghold
they were also super well prepared when they attacked the bastion, since they even blocked the main entrance with calamity stones
dusky garden
I don't think we will find common ground here.
proud karma
there's no accounting for the kid being such a powerhouse, but the ura waged war against the city
dusky garden
You guys think that throwing away lifes in a war that does not need to be fought by a dying race is okay justified and I disagree with that.
Let's leave it at that.
I do agree on that last part though.
The kid being as OP as it was was some uncalled for Plotarmor.
Came a bit out of nowhere.
proud karma
i only disagree with your statement that they thought the war wasn't needed
the information asymmetry completely changes the sitiation
dusky garden
I did not say that they thought that, I say that they should have thought that because there was nothing to gain but more to lose.
And lost they have plenty.
I mean, just imagine the situation
proud karma
they didn't know they would lose more than they gained by taking the resources of the bastion
twilit urchin
"let's leave it at that"
continues arguing
dusky garden
You are the kid, one of, to your knowledge, only four survivors at this point
and then you learn that there is this huge bunch of survivors out there
That should be exciting news, that should mean that some sort of truce can be found in order to repair the mess that has been caused
instead, the big bunch is out to throw their lifes away at your mercy like a bunch of lemmings.
proud karma
well a truce wouldn't have been possible after zulf told them the caelondians tried to kill every ura in existence
they've been at odds for so long that a truce would've been unlikely to begin with
zenith smelt
yeah you don't hear "oh by the way the reason life is terrible right now is because the nation you were living semi-peacefully with tried to weaponize the apocalypse in an act of ethnic cleansing"
and act 100% peacefully or rationally afterwards
proud karma
if people were perfectly rational robots and had all the information on what would happen you are right about what the best course of action is
but none of those things were true
twilit urchin
"oh, by the way, here's where one of the guys who worked on the aforementioned weaponised apocalypse lives. we're screwed anyway. wanna go get some justice for all the ura who died in the calamity?"
zenith smelt
also remember that zulf was implied to be contemplating suicide before the kid finds him, so he is already not in the best mental state, even ignoring the godawful situation
twilit urchin
cue the raid on the bastion, zia leaves with them, the kid comes to get her back thinking she was kidnapped, and the ura respond by thinking zulf led him to their home and try to kill him
dusky garden
As I said, a horrible waste of human life because nobody was thinking things through till the end.
proud karma
no, i think they thought it through appropriately based on the info they had
dusky garden
And I agree, Zulf was in a fragile state. I do know his background story, I know about his fiance
zenith smelt
it's not even "thinking things through"
it's simple miscommunication
and also again, attempted ethnic cleansing
dusky garden
We don't know about the communication.
proud karma
we do
zenith smelt
except that we do and it's explicitly stated in the game
proud karma
that's the only reason i don't agree with your argument
dusky garden
Let me rephrase: We don't know the details
zenith smelt
we also do
dusky garden
We know that Zulf went there with the journal of venn and told them about the source of the calamity.
We do not know if and what Zulf told them about the abilities of the bastion
zenith smelt
I'm not entirely sure what your argument is? that the ura are at fault?
proud karma
their fight with the kid was unreasonable and pointless iirc
dusky garden
Unreasonable, pointless and a waste of Ura lifes.
proud karma
i think it meant a lot to them, to take out the last symbol of caelondia
and they got the shard to use in restoring their civilisation
dusky garden
If it did, they wouldn't have let the unarmed kid go with Zulf and Shard.
dusky garden
So where does honor start, where does avenging genocide stop?`
What about honoring the heritage of the tribe that has been decimated?
proud karma
i think it's the humanisation of the kid to them
dusky garden
We are moving in a lot of moral grey areas here.
zenith smelt
the entire game is a moral grey area
the very concept of the game is a racial conflict
twilit urchin
right around the time the kid picks up zulf and doesn't even try to fight back while carrying him away to safety
dusky garden
It absolutely is. But this particular grey area leads to a lot of unnecessary death.
zenith smelt
yeah there was also a lot of unnecessary death around this little lore tidbit called the Calamity
dusky garden
I mean, we also have to look at it from the other side.
Every bit of conversation is conveyed to us via rucks.
twilit urchin
degrand, you have to remember that you're looking at it from an outside perspective where you know everything and have all the facts presented and have no personal stake
also, i'd just like to remind you
you said ten minutes ago that you were going to "leave it at that"
this argument is going nowhere quickly
proud karma
tbf i didn't stop either
proud karma
and i think we're actually getting places
i think we can agree that no matter whose side you look from the cycle of hatred hasn't done anyone good
in an ideal world people would put aside their differences in a hard time
but it's clear it wasn't an ideal world for anyone, so all we get is the human tragedy
and when you get down to it that's at the heart of the whole game
dusky garden
It is. And I was lamenting that.
proud karma
we could go on forever about who's more wrong, but that comes down to personal values
there's no definitive answer
what i was hung up about most was the interpretation of the facts, and there's still a lot of room for interpretation there
native totem
I’m a bit late, but attempted genocide is a reason to hold a grudge
junior briar
Seems like now is not a good time to resurrect an argument like this?
proud karma
please don't
strange token
Yeah, Noel is right. Please don’t clog up the channel with arguing.
native totem
Wasn’t trying to Rez it, didn’t plan on saying anything other than that
cedar patio
hey, does anyone know how to getting through roathus lagoon without killing queen anne?
cedar patio
yeah ive heard it's possible, so i wanted to try it. but i tried going to the skyway but it's not clickable
proud karma
It opens up after a certain point in the fight
I forget if it's time or a hp threshold on her, but you can't do it straight away
cedar patio
ok, ty!
grand delta
Huh. Today I learned
onyx grove
Anyone got recommendations for completing the first who-knows-where with idols
torn chasm
Pike’n’Mortar, with the upgrade for no self-damage from the mortar AOE and the armour-piercing upgrade from the pike
chrome prawn
seconded
that is the ideal combo for idols
It has armor piercing for armored enemies, massive dps to deal with high health and regeneration, and the mortar blast damage to deal with reflect. That's how I did it. Try stacking crit damage on the pike and tonics, and consider going for leechade. If you need more help visit steam community guides and look for 10 idol strangers dream guides. That's what I did.
Kite the enemies hard, and don't be afraid to launch a mortar at point blank for squirt swarms. Use cover to cheese as much as possible. Save the big blue shard balls for later. (they are worth hp from leechade)
I don't think the first dream has cover or armored enemies actually. Oop. Its just windbags and turrets. Still a good combo but maybe swap out the armor piercing
onyx grove
Thanks
proud karma
There is some cover in the first one, and the range will help a lot
Leechade is definitely a must withour potion drops
I find the counter block upgrade drinks useful too
Since there's no time constraint playing it safe is the way to go
onyx grove
Doing a stupid and completing the entire game with all idols active, wish me luck.
wet bone
good luck!
chrome prawn
I finished 10 idol stranger's with bastion bourbon instead of leechade
twilit oar
@cedar patio Didnt see until now. But you need somewhere around 180-210 or more damage on Anne to leave without killing her. We do 3 crit pikes and 1 normal pike in the speedrun and then leave to the skyway. 3 crit pikes are 180 and you need the extra normal hit before you can leave, but we might "overkill" it a bit so thats why the 180-210 span
cedar patio
thanks!
native totem
Logan answered that question in the only way that would raise more questions and I love it
chrome prawn
Now I wish we could have seen that whip
native totem
if they had an early prototype it would be a... WIP Whip
dark ether
I agree. Scary
hollow pilot
I can't tell if he was joking or not XD
native totem
I’m pretty sure he was
zenith smelt
that's what they want us to think
native totem
This is sure to whip up some controversy
chrome prawn
I'm not joking
the kid is intimidating
After all he did single handedly destroy an entire nation.
also, look at how he wields the battering ram
Sometimes I wonder if he is a vengeful spirit sent by the gods to finish the calamity's work.
zenith smelt
he invokes the gods because he found the calamity too easy
lean yarrow
it is a lot more comforting if I stay in my headcanon that Kid invoked the gods because he wanted to be punished for the sin of his people against both the Ura and the land
chrome prawn
Dr. Perplexed's theory seems more likely..
hidden quest
Just curious - has anyone beaten the Who Knows Where using only the battering ram?
I only found out thats even a thing after like... 2 years of owning the game
woeful sky
I've started replaying Bastion on Switch. Is there any way to rebind the controls? Everything feels wrong.
Nevermind, it's all good.
ocean shale
hey I was wondering if anyone else has had issues w/ the resolution of this game
when I use fullscreen everything is super jagged, when I don't everything looks much smoother
that's fullscreen
https://imgur.com/a/bcFKQuk and that's windowed (my actual resolution is 1920 x 1080, but this looks best for some reason)
...weird it's not displaying in the picture the way it did on my screen
proud karma
yeah that kind of thing can happen with screenshots
have you had a look at the anti-aliasing settings?
ocean shale
I did, I have it up on 4x and it did nothing
old carbon
chrome prawn
nice
twilit sparrow
yo does anyone know if the theme the strings follow in mancer's dilemma is a cite from something or if its original to darren's work?
Today i heard an edited sped up version of that track of the song on TV and i could have sworn it was the same track but pitched up and i got curious about it
solar tartan
iirc that progression is a preset
proud karma
not sure about the exact track but i do know that he used quite a few preexisting samples in the bastion soundtrack
solar tartan
the comment section on outphase45's mancer's dilemma video is filled with people having heard the strings elsewhere
proud karma
no info on what samples used in it but there's a number of songs that have samples from bastion
solar tartan
whosampled is fan contributed, i assume
im guessing it's just the same preset used, but idk 🤷
twilit urchin
apparently it's just the loops from garage band - if you listen to, say, "arms outstretched" or "the clock strikes noon" from the adventure zone ost, you'll hear familiar bits
(speciifcally, about 1:10 into arms outstretched https://soundcloud.com/griffinmcelroy/arms-outstretched sounds like "mancer's dilemma" and the intro of roswell https://soundcloud.com/griffinmcelroy/roswell sounds like "slinger's song")
wet bone
adventure zone i know specifically used like, the same presets bit
when my housemates were listening to the eleventh hours i was like [EYES EMOJI BUT BLURRED]
twilit urchin
wet bone
dfsghj thank you i don't have nitro
wet bone
yeah purple worm also! i forget what though
topaz harbor
Do you guys think The Kid is more of a Fighter or Ranger? I'm not sure what happened at the Rippling Walls as it's been a few years since I last played. If it's more of a scouting and protection job, he'd be a Ranger, but if he was a soldier, he'd be a Fighter. Making a Pathfinder character based on him.
proud karma
from what i remember the kid did scouting missions while on the walls, but i don't think it would be quite the same as what rangers do
more patrolling and surveying rather than hunting and survival
topaz harbor
Patrolling and surveying is more ranger than fighter.
Not all rangers are all about hunting and survival. But they all have those skills.
violet valve
it could be a dual class fighter/ranger 
since pathfinder is very very expansive in what you can do
any limit on sources books?
topaz harbor
Pathfinder 2nd Edition.
We don't have any other source books yet.
After trying to build Ranger kid, it didn't feel right. Many of the feats and some of the early features didn't make me feel how I did when playing Bastion, so I'm going with Fighter.
violet valve
ahh, I know very little about 2nd ed sadly
proud karma
the stuff i imagine the kid would've done would've been more in line with town guard type duties, so although it's the type of stuff rangers are specialised for he would probably be more like a fighter doing those things (in other words more perception than survival, and not much specialsing in either)
and when you look at the gameplay it definitely seems like the more appropriate choice
proud karma
Also if it's not too much trouble can you share the finished build?
Haven't done any pf2 stuff since the playtest
topaz harbor
Sure. I haven't had a chance to actually play, but I'm down to share my ideas. It's all theorycrafting.
topaz harbor
Finished my mockup of The Kid as a Pathfinder character
zenith smelt
oooo that sounds interesting!
topaz harbor
Would you like me to DM it to you?
topaz harbor
Sent
violet valve
Oooh exciting
topaz harbor
Would you like to look over it as well, @violet valve ?
I'm thinking of doing more. Not just Supergiant characters, though I do intend to do Red as well, but also characters from Hollow Knight, Dead Cells, etc.
violet valve
Sure ^_^
topaz harbor
@violet valve discord won't let me send it to you.
proud karma
i'll try sending it
violet valve
Ty
I'm a derp and had "accept DM's from people in this server" turned off
topaz harbor
Still won't let me send
violet valve
Invis got it to me ^_^
deep schooner
Ooo, neat! I just made my favorite book character as a PF character
hollow pilot
I cant listen to some Bastion soundtracks without my mind instinctively adding in the "hissing gas" noise of Gasfella's winding up their attack
loud flax
Just finished the game, is new game+ worth it?
proud karma
depends on what you liked in the game
wet bone
if you want to get the ten idol dream achievements, i think you can only do those in new game +
it's probably also useful if you're trying for the achievement where you fully upgrade every weapon, but i think you could do those in a regular game
proud karma
there might also be story stuff you missed the first time round\
and on pc it gives you the turret summon
wet bone
ohhh you can also only see rucks' who knows where on ng+
not that that has much actual lore, lmao
also yeah, just getting another play through the game can be fun
proud karma
you also get to build on foundations in any order
native totem
Plus you get to play the ending again
hidden quest
OTHER ENDING CHOICE
thats the whole point of ng+ isnt it
also u can do Rucks wkw with the battering ram, which is an absolute trip
topaz harbor
@deep schooner which character?
deep schooner
Kaladin Stormblessed
finite loom
https://imgur.com/gallery/IWYSO3G
Finnaly can play everywhere :)
cedar patio
bastion is v good on switch
finite loom
I just got switch so looking for some great games. Atm whats on screen (3), also going to buy dead cells, Mario + Rabbids and I have big hopes for Hades :)
And some more games soon to be released
safe galleon
Ooo nice
I recommend shovel knight & darkest dungeons!!!!
Gungeon’s a good one that’s def one I want on switch
native totem
Mario rabbits is a good choice
zenith smelt
I highly suggest breath of the wild, although it isn't a roguelike
also +1 for darkest dungeon
but now we're offtopic
south knoll
yes, please, lets move to #off-topic-discussion for game recs
finite loom
I had many tries to finish bastion on PC cuz get to for cheap. But never rlt played for more than 1h. Now got it for 8$ on switch and after one day I played like 5h haha 😂 it just charm me
Now I wish transistor was a bit cheaper cuz I also own it on PC. Sadly I seen It was for 5$ during 10th supergiants anniversary but the deal was not in Poland region :(
finite loom
https://i.imgur.com/7eCFnbt.jpg
<3 and now its finished
cedar patio
👏
harsh nexus
rip b-ios-tion thats how i played it for the first time 🇫 but welcome ba-sgg-ios-ion
past carbon
I'm gonna try to get my sister to play Bastion on iOS. She didnt care for Transistor, but I think she might find Bastion more accessible to her tastes.
hardy grail
As someone who can blast through Bastion in under 2 hours, I never felt comfortably in control during Transistor
Dunno why but Bastion clicks and is one of the few games I can say I'm good at
wet bone
oh man, you played it on ios for the first time?
i did it on pc w an xbox controller........dshfgfsj and that was the first video game i was able to finish
primal whale
Let me think... Bastion will get new revision due to changes in OpenGL support in Apple's Product or SSG got the full rights to publish Bastion without Warner Bris or what?
finite loom
my guess is the second , and its probably linked to Apple Acrade. So Transistor will had the same thing soon. But its just my thought
proud karma
It says in the blog that the agreement they had with wb ran out too
primal whale
So this is probably why SSG could post Bastion soundtrack on their channel
solar tartan
iirc transistor was independently published from the start so there won't be the same issue
hardy grail
I'm glad Super Giant Games and Bastion escaped WB
stray stratus
yay free bastion
torn chasm
By the Scribes... free Bastion
This is the chance I needed to introduce every human I know to SGG
surreal shell
How's touchscreen Bastion? Isn't it too fast-paced?
solar tartan
The mobile version gives you weapons in different order to make it easier to play
harsh nexus
no sweat mode 😂
hardy grail
So you get 10 different muskets?
surreal shell
Huh! Interesting, thanks!
solar tartan
Without the interference of wb, sgg will finally be able to rename "normal mode" to "sweaty mode"
past carbon
Hehehe
harsh nexus
hdjdjchf finally games encouraging using assistance
wet bone
oh yeah, i thought i saw somewhere that you get pistols before fang repeater in the ios version and i had no idea why
since repeater is basically just the pistols but strictly worse in every way
but that makes a lot more sense
wet bone
i guess i don't know why you would use repeater then
since i haven't noticed any benefits to it over the pistols other than 'you get it earlier in the game and can use/upgrade it earlier'
proud karma
the upgrades and skills each get are different?
also you don't need to tap furiously to do good damage on the repeater
wet bone
i guess that's true
pistols are a much more mobile option and they feel like a better pick as a ranged choice, but that might just be me
proud karma
everyone has their preferences
i found both to be pretty good
depending on the enemy
cedar patio
i always liked the auto-lock for repeaters
wet bone
repeaters/pistols weren't my go-tos the first time i played actually so i may be overlooking stuff
i've also only played this game like two and a half times..........i should replay bastion
🤔
oh no........i will have. to replay bastion,
hardy grail
Remember, Pike and Musket is all ya need
cedar patio
best combo will always be bellows+mortar
hardy grail
Carbine does work but gets too risky at 10 Idols
That coming from a person who got a Power Shot from the Bow bounced back at me and put me down
proud karma
what a mood
hardy grail
10 Idols gets pretty crazy
Make me learn to love the Bellows with the slowing upgrade
proud karma
i cleared them by going all in on defensive drinks
hardy grail
I just remember rolling and screaming
proud karma
Pistols
velvet arch
Thought they had a melee weapon
lean yarrow
I thought they used double pistols and that's it?
rain ginkgo
The bastion ost is my therapy music
Whenever im the sad im listen to dig a hole and just vibe
chilly oyster
just got my platinum trophy, amazing game :>
has anybody ever done a 10 idols / score attack tier list?
like..
_ _
[ S ] Mortar, Pike
[ A ] Cannon, Carbine
[ B ] Musket, Bow
[ C ] Pistols, Repeater
[ D ] Hammer, Bellows
[ E ] Machete
zenith smelt
I genuinely never used the bellows past when it's introduced
cedar patio
bellows is the best weapon in the game and bellows/mortar is best combo and that's a fact
chilly oyster
the problems i have w/ Bellows on 10 idols active is that it turns foes into air really fast due to it's multi-hit nature, giving them time to regenerate while you can't hit them
it also can't keep foes away effectively like the Pike w/ knockback, making them slow you down and damage you
Pike can also throw dangerous foes off a cliff (knockback, Pike Sweep secret skill), Bellows can't
damage doesn't compare either, no crit bonus on the weapon and base damage is lower
hardy grail
True but Bellows burning and crippling enemies en mass buys one time to reposition or start piking them all down
I didn't like the Bellows but used it for one of the dreams with 10 Idols and found new respect for it there
chilly oyster
i tried to make it work too, but it turning foes into air so fast is a huge turn-off for me, making it a bit of a slow approach compared to high tier weapons
multi-hit weapons really suffer w/ 10 idols :<
against multiple foes, i think Musket is the better choice because of it's great knockback ability, also having great synergy w/ the high tier weapons
hardy grail
Poor machete, I want to love you but it never works out
chilly oyster
yeah :< early game it's good, but it's really poor later
chilly oyster
i think a throwing build is the only viable choice for the Machete, but then again, why not simply use the Pike which can be thrown too?
cedar patio
machete is terrible
wet bone
i really liked machete my first playthrough but there are definitely better weapons
i actually haven't played 10 idols/score attack, how does carbine hold up?
that's my favorite for regular play
hardy grail
It's been quite a while since my 10 Idol run but with enough aiming speed upgrades the Carbine holds up well. Issue being the random reflections that the Bow suffers from too
vocal oar
hey y'all! I got bastion during the sale and is it just me or is the game a bit quiet?
Sale on switch btw
chilly oyster
^ yeah it's pretty quiet, which i think fits the melancholic atmosphere and works in favor of the excellent narrator
@wet bone i really like the Carbine :> used it for a good while
good damage, and versatile as it's good for sniping but can also be used close like a shotgun, w/ 2 very good lvl.5 upgrades (AoE or armor-piercing bullets)
the biggest problems i have w/ it are that it can actually miss (bad w/ low firing rate), and that it gets a bit outclassed when compared to other weapons
the Cannon does more damage as a long-range sniping weapon, fires faster and causes AoE damage at all ranges, also very reliable w/ auto aim
the Mortar is better for both long and short range, as it has higher damage w/ (potentially) huge AoE, ignores walls and is also very reliable
Mortar also has the 2 best secret skills in the whole game
Bomb Barrage is lethal, clears everything in front of you easily and can deal 1k+ damage up close (thinking of 1 special foe in the last wave of Stranger's Dream here)
Turret Surprise is extremely good for Score Attack, easily keeps the combo going if you place multiple of them, esp. on the dream maps
i got ~700k points on my first try in Kid's Dream by placing turrets, got 1 million on the next (for the trophy) w/ better placement of them 👌
proud karma
Turret surprise is great
In terms of carbine vs bow biggest difference would be the upgrades
I have a preference towards the armour piercing on carbine
chilly oyster
^ yeah, it's basically armor-piercing / close-range AoE on the Carbine vs. knockback / stun / penetration on the Bow
while i prefer the Carbine for it's versatility, the Bow is very solid and definitely usable for 10 idols / score attack
native totem
I might reply bastion without bastion bourbon
cobalt swift
Hi guys! Just started playing Bastion on Switch and noticed that the audio volume is lower than all other games. Verified options in the game and on console, but it's all at max. Anyone else noticed something similar? Thanks!
dim stag
I used the fang repeater a whole lot, I had to experiment to find loadouts I liked, and I don't remember which one between spread+homing, or slow+accurate, was the fun one and which one was the janky one
I used the pike and the musket a ton as well, but eventually, I think I ended up using the carbine as a melee substitute.
The hammer runs into issues, but the overhead and uppercut attacks are so fun, they feel right
chilly oyster
the majority of weapons have multiple good setups, but i think the Repeater has a clear winner:
A (ammo) - A (damage) - A (ammo) - A (damage) - B (seeker)
very easy to use, just w/ the problem that it turns foes into air real quick if that idol's set, and it has no special properties like armor-piercing, stun, knockback etc.
proud karma
The bastion dota announcer really is good
cedar patio
now that we have transistor collector's edition where's bastion collector's edition
south knoll
nope! just the physical release
wet bone
well damn, where is it then 👀
south knoll
oh! there are still a couple of copies on supergiants store apparently
theres a psvita version and a ps4 version
so in case you missed it from limited run, you can still get it here
https://store.supergiantgames.com/products/bastion-physical-edition-ps4
or here
https://store.supergiantgames.com/products/bastion-physical-edition-ps-vita
but idk how many they still have in stock, i assume not a lot?
wet bone
shffg that was an 👀 at a hypothetical collector's edition that needs to happen
south knoll
O..
wet bone
but aw, no switch it looks like
wet bone
@ / sgg please bastion collector's edition switch
south knoll
but now the ppl in this channel know where to get it if they missed it dfkgjhk
south knoll
ngl.... even tho i have the physical edition of bastion already i would get a collectors edition if theyll make one auhh
wet bone
hee hee, valid
cedar patio
i would give my liver for a bastion ce. or a figure. please sgg, give the fans what they want
wet bone
what kind of goodies would be in it........we had the ring and those pins in the transistor ce
god i want a game manual with additional rucks comments.
cedar patio
oh Yes
cedar patio
oh man you know what'd be super cool? little bastion figures
bright mesa
omg yes
brave jolt
As much as I would kill for figures my wallet DONT NEED THAT
Id like to have ones that worked together though, that had bases like connecting the different buildings for the bastion. You see that sometimes with anime scale figures
It could make the group image you get when Zia joins the group
bright mesa
for the only time in a long while
brave jolt
A family can be a traumatized teen, a guilty grandpa, a depressed missionary, and a freelance musician just trying her best
bright mesa
Traumatized teen? You mean the Kid?
I don't think he's a teenager
After going thru the whole backstory, I assumed early 20s
cedar patio
yeah here was on the wall for over 5 years, he's gotta be at least in his early 20s
but yeah that's pretty much the crew
bright mesa
i feel bad for--dammit i forgot his name--the notebook dude
brave jolt
Oh wow really he's in his 20s? I always figured he was younger since he's the "kid" but the narrator IS a grandpa. I had the same issue with hedwyn in pyre too, people in game talk like he's super young imo but Greg told me he's like 24
bright mesa
dude hedwyn has stubble he's not young
brave jolt
IM A TERRIBLE JUDGE OF AGE OK
brave jolt
Lol what's your logic tho?
brave jolt
Valid, but I would argue that it's probably harder to shave in the wasteland, I always saw the stubble as a sign of hard times lmao. Also beards meaning 30-40 is valid because I also write characters with those guidelines basically XD but I also know guys who were gungho about getting a beard as soon as the facial hair started coming in
solar tartan
Now I'm imagining every character with a grant beard
bright mesa
lmao
brave jolt
Wait how old is zulf lol
cedar patio
i figured 26-28
heady lava
the art style makes it hard for me to imagine them as adults even though... they are
zenith smelt
I think the fact that the Kid is the sameish height as everyone else messes with me
although he's probably in his late teens at the earliest
brave jolt
The bastion folks really are very doll like for sure in the style, which i think lends to the ambiguity. I agree on the height thing too, but I imagine zia and re kid are closer in age while zulf is older just going from narrative.
cedar patio
if you look at the resto ending it seems like zulf and rucks are taller and zia and the kid are little shorties
bright mesa
i feel like Zia is an actual kid (young teen) and kid is older teen who just never got a growth spurt
cedar patio
yeah but he was on the wall for 5+ yrs so he can't be that young
distant escarp
he's prob like 19 or something
bright mesa
i think he's 21 tbh
we can ask supergiant when they open q&a again
noticed that there's no pins in here
cedar patio
i always thought 22-23, dropped out of school at 15 or 16 and then spent ~7 yrs on the wall
bright mesa
he was trying to help his mom so yeah i think thats highly likely
proud karma
Wouldn't be surprised if he left school a year or two earlier than that
bright mesa
bc it like 'spent 5 years' (i think) came back for 2 months went back came and she was gone so he went back again
cedar patio
it was 5 yrs, then he went home and she was gone, then he went on the wall for an unspecified amt of time
brave jolt
God I'm surprised I don't have his story memorized with the number of times I replayed that level to get the achievments
next harness
Replaying Bastion I must admit that what is underrated is the Proving Grounds First Prize jingle aka #149.
next compass
This is literally one of the best games i have ever played
So i really enjoy playing (I believe) Jawsons Bag, and The last level.
bright mesa
yep, bastion is fun!
next compass
ive always wondered what the ground world is
Is it the world that fell?
is it a second world?
Is it just a background and im crazy?
cedar patio
below the bastion and other levels there's a background world
next compass
what if the bastion just like, went down
surreal shell
I always saw it as the world that fell...
twilit urchin
elevator music plays as the bastion slowly sinks back down to rejoin the rest of the world and everyone just has to kind of stand around and look awkwardly at each other
harsh nexus
hdjfjfkfkgk
brave jolt
lolol
bright mesa
lmao
next compass
It's a thirteen minute ride down. Not long enough to start doing something, but long enough that it's annoyingly slow
next compass
Is a difference between the WB version and normal? The only difference I know is the order of acquiring the slingers pistols and the bone gun, which I call the Desert Fossil
solar tartan
WB version is going away soon iirc
hexed lily
That's correct! You can read about the change over here: https://www.supergiantgames.com/blog/big-bastion-update-coming-to-ios/
rotund sail
Is it coming for android?
manic turtle
"Bastion is free on mobile for a year!"
AWESOME
"It's only on iOS and iPad"
Oh
cedar patio
once again android users are being oppressed
dapper egret
Android users rise UP
west mortar
cries in android
ivory cloud
ahhhh bastion is free.. just in time for my birthday.. feels like a present :) thank you sgg
sacred jay
Partially free, gotta pay to unlock the full game. But I'd do that so fast if it was android 😦
south knoll
you dont have to pay, actually!
hexed lily
Hey jj! Bastion on iOS is intended to be 100% free from now until the new year. We've had some reports from people about being asked to pay for the full game, and we're looking into it! If it's within our power to fix (as opposed to being on the store-end of things), we'll try to solve it asap!
south knoll
oh theres a bug D:
i was confused about the in-app purchase at first as well but it is free as well currently (for me at least) but i hope that problem gets fixed soon 🙏
north dawn
Still no love for android owners :/
analog heron
No bastion for android? ;(
amber patio
i almost dropped my phone when i saw the announcement
but then i realized it's apple only 
pliant lichen
imagine releasing your app only on ios
south knoll
it already was on ios, this is a rerelease, guys 😅
pliant lichen
why is it not on android?
south knoll
i think theyre a bit busy with making another game to port bastion to another console currently
pliant lichen
80% of the people use that
south knoll
but cait might have more insight than me!
hexed lily
Hey Chris! Thank you for your interest in Bastion. Unfortunately I don't have a ton of extra insight to offer, but it isn't currently in our plans. Bastion is available on more platforms than any of our other games, so hopefully you'll still be able to enjoy it in some way.
pliant lichen
@hexed lily just seems weird to me, apple is annoying to program, annoying to get it on their appstore and most people have android.
but guess it's because it's an american company
cedar patio
it's really not that big of a deal
stray stump
Supergiant is far from the only company to release their games on iOS and not Android. I doubt “it’s an American company” is the only reason.
violet valve
They're a small dev team whos main focus is currently on hades
I imagine they could self publish the IOS version is because the bulk of the work to get it onto the IOS store was already done. Whereas porting Bastion to Android would take a not insignificant amount of work which they can't affort to spare right now given the they are focusing on Hades
final wyvern
With the mobile release of Bastion, in the announcements it said it was free until the end of the year, but also says that only the beginning is free and you have to pay for the full game. Which is it?
proud karma
it's planned to be pay for after the promo period?
violet valve
Free till the end of the year as said in the announcment, futher down there's the "in app puchases" thingy on the page with 'Bastion - Full Game' which is free atm
final wyvern
ok
native totem
Free to try after this year, free to keep until the end of this year
sacred jay
@hexed lily Thanks for the reply. I don't actually have an apple device but I had said that because the first line in the description says: "NOTICE Play the beginning for free. A one-time in-app purchase unlocks the full game." which is misleading and if I didn't already love the game would make me hesitate before downloading thinking I wasn't getting the full experience
next compass
Can it be made canon that weapons and items float in the air becsuse of the power of The Crest
halcyon radish
I just re-downloaded Bastion on my iPad. Love hearing the “Proper stories supposed to start at the beginning. Ain't so simple with this one” 😍😍
But I am surprised to see that the App Store reviews are correct. The game lags, a lot!!
I didn’t have a problem on my iPad Air 1st gen, yet I get laggy on my iPad pro 2018 (which Apple claims is as powerful as an XBOX One)
To be honest I'm not planing to play the game on my iPad, but for people that do, I hate to see people miss this masterpiece because of technical issues.
native totem
Bastion ran fine on my IPhone 6 se, something is definitely up
torpid shell
Ok so I’ve played through bastion like 6 or so times and I’m still confused: if the mancers knew Venn knew of the plan to get rid of the ura, and Venn tried to flee Cealandia early (clearly he’s not the most loyal/trustworthy with the biggest secret that was going to be used to wipe out his people) why did they keep him on the project and make him set it off? It bugs me every time.
cedar patio
i think some of the cut dialogue covers it but unfortunately i've lost the image and can't find it on my blog anymore
torpid shell
Aww man! Well good to know there is an explanation somewhere. Thanks!
wet bone
did he try to leave the city? i thought that was what that boy who was leading zia on said
like, 'oh she's trying to escape so she and her dad can sell city secrets to the ura' but i don't remember him actually being mentioned trying to leave?
proud karma
Yeah it's never said that venn had any interest in it
Zia was accused of being a contraband mule for him
cedar patio
oops
proud karma
We don't actually know that much about him so it's possible that he might have been interested in leaving but her escape seems to be unrelated
cedar patio
so there was this imagine someone did years ago w tons of cut text from the game, and zia's who-knows-where was originally a lot more venn-centered. and it's been a hot minute but iirc there was a not unlikely attack the caels suspected the ura were mounting, and venn wasn't like a spy i dont think? but he did have some plans to leave, or a consideration of such
lean yarrow
zia was dating a cael and venn opposed, so the boy told zia to elope with him, but once they got outside they got caught immediately and the boy called zia a spy, and the caels used zia as leverage to blackmail venn into helping them build the genocide machine