h2-for-new-players

[primal trench]

Kinda what happens when you have a million outside of opinions instead of fabricating your own

[fossil condor]

Failing the ghosts doesn’t make them even go away

[primal trench]

Clashing ideas

[fallen blade]

ehh im making my own

[dull night]

Gotta botch it twice

[primal trench]

The second time you fail its over

[fallen blade]

idk what you saying

[fossil condor]

Oh woof

[fallen blade]

i did

[primal trench]

Debatable really

[dull night]

Lmfao this is prolly the worst thing you've ever told someone

[primal trench]

Its the truth

[dull night]

I mean it is the truth byt they arent even tryna be mean about it

[fallen blade]

imma try out auto sprint tho

[tidal moss]

I've said worse

[dull night]

Probably, but not as funny as that

[primal trench]

That wasnt mean, its true, I mean failing the tablet game?

[fallen blade]

i already have.... apollo

[fossil condor]

I bet you haven’t even been confiding in Frinos 😔

[dull night]

You have to opt in to that game too, so it takes actual effort to dissociate in time to fail it

If you turn on god mode you get 20% damage reduction

[primal trench]

Here, I have a proposition for you, how about instead of asking about every boon and choice, you play the run, then post the run and ask what could be better, that way you can learn from your own mistakes

[dull night]

It cant fix your fundamentals but itll give you a lot more time to learn them

[tidal moss]

Please

[fallen blade]

auto dash is fun

[dull night]

God mode is even more fun

Would recommend it for you

[primal trench]

God mode got nothing on the tablet game

[fallen blade]

hex over hestia

[fallen blade]

who's playing tablet game

[tidal moss]

NEVER

[dull night]

Bruh im trying to be nice lmfao

[primal trench]

The tablet game is the ghost mini game

[fallen blade]

ohhh aright

[dull night]

Its hard to stay chill when I see you two getting fed (up)

[primal trench]

No one is fed up bub, im just giving them tips and suggestiosn

[dull night]

Also btw, real tablet checks are needed for the upgrade right

Frinos ones dont count?

[primal trench]

What

[dull night]

Just curious, I got the up

[fallen blade]

i feel like the main reason i don't get the grreeen things is i don't really see them

i only seen it twice so far

[dull night]

Are you missing the phantoms or botching the minigame

[primal trench]

They don't show every room

[primal trench]

Both is my guess

They are botching the mini game confirmed, but the ghosts are easy to miss early as well

[tidal moss]

They couldnt find silver in erebus btw

[dull night]

Tbf neither could I

I swear the spawn rate is lowballed on early runs

[primal trench]

Hard to pay attention when you stop every run to take a Pic and upload your boons

[primal trench]

Why i suggested this

[dull night]

Bros gonna take a pic of the minigame to ask if he should hold left or right

[fallen blade]

wait

[primal trench]

Oh boy

[fallen blade]

how did you know?

[dull night]

I started off as a scrub too

[fallen blade]

hehehe

[dull night]

Granted it was in H1

[primal trench]

Im still learning to this day, over 500 hrs in each game

[fallen blade]

relax guys ill save you guys the torture

ill dm luthein

[dull night]

When I started off H2 with my H1 experience, I played horrifically

[primal trench]

Us? We just trynna help you bro

[fallen blade]

hes gonna block me

[dull night]

Cuz turns out, H2 is a very different game from H1

[dull night]

She's

[primal trench]

Youre torturing yourself if anything

[tidal moss]

Damn gurl you beat me to it

[primal trench]

https://tenor.com/view/sisyphus-rock-mp4-transparent-color-gif-11114772717737196968

[dull night]

One must imagine sisyphus swole

[fallen blade]

oh its a she?

[dull night]

Shes a she

[primal trench]

Imagine? Did you not see him in h1? Bro is ripped

[fallen blade]

shes a she

[dull night]

Its a me

[tidal moss]

Yes 😭

[primal trench]

Mario

[fallen blade]

mario

[dull night]

There was a recent game in development thats a computer typing game where you play as sisyphus pushing that boulder

[primal trench]

Not anymore, with my wizard powers, youre now a dude

[dull night]

Daga otoko da

[primal trench]

Ifs over

[tidal moss]

Dawg I literally became trans to not do that

[primal trench]

Too bad

My wizard power too strong

[tidal moss]

Doesn't work cause I was never a real woman anyway

[primal trench]

Would that make you a Trans Trans? Or untrans?

[dull night]

No one's a real whatever, we're just primordial soup waiting for our expiration date

The essence of things is wanting to be things, so striving to be makes you realer than real

[primal trench]

Im a canned food, I dont expire

[dull night]

I learned that from monogatari

Which obviously comes from the hit game hades 2

You're a carrot

[primal trench]

In a can

[dull night]

Canrot

[primal trench]

Cantrot

Can trot or cant rot, that is the question

[dull night]

Depends if you dodge hecate's pigball

[primal trench]

I def cant ||the vor version||

[fallen blade]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1500800236803850320/1501106020687024148/image.png?ex=69fadd6c&is=69f98bec&hm=b6041866291545cbe9464cfe4ec868996dac3e4fa38bcbad1f7e5e9dc9179dd7&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1076&height=700

[dull night]

Same, I find it kinda crazy

[fallen blade]

ahh its here

i think i missed a lot of it

[dull night]

She merked me a lot more brutally than chronos

Green glow gives it away my dood

[primal trench]

What

[fallen blade]

so when 2 hands show up i press 2 buttons

[primal trench]

Yes

[fallen blade]

no matter if green or grey

i thought grey meant i don't press it

i guess i thought wrong

[primal trench]

You press whatever hand shows up

[fallen blade]

thanks carrot

[primal trench]

On the money

[fallen blade]

i did it

[primal trench]

Need a bingo card

[fallen blade]

it wasn't a picture

[dull night]

Dude I told you the hands are purely aesthetic

I made the same mistake on my first run

[primal trench]

Its left or right or both as simple as it goes

[dull night]

I thought the bone hand vs the green hand had different properties

On my first attempts

[primal trench]

😵

[dull night]

My run 1 self couldnt make it past hecate

But my run 1 self at least reached hecate, so H1 got my ass fumbling through the front door at minimum

[primal trench]

I did, then I died like 3 times in a row to that ||snake elite||

[dull night]

Oh I hate her ass

I still dunno the intended counter to lawn dart spam

[primal trench]

Pray

[dull night]

Mostly just facetank her armor until I can stun

[fallen blade]

thanks

[dull night]

Np

Erebus def has a couple of the harder to dodge enemies

Those banshees and the needle gunner

[fallen blade]

the ones that laugh at you while rushing you

[dull night]

Im ngl I dont hear much in H2

Too busy being a bullet bill to whatever else is in the room

[primal trench]

Unless you learn you can press Q and life becomes so much easier

[dull night]

Banshees yes, needle gunner no

[primal trench]

Banshees yes

[dull night]

It wont work for her scattershot, I still dont know the tech beyond a bit of facetanking

Are we meant to juke that at range?

[fallen blade]

i’ll have to watch gameplays of that lol

[dull night]

She turns too fast to bait

[fallen blade]

🥲

[primal trench]

Just use your cast

[fossil condor]

Gameplay of someone pressing the cast button

[fallen blade]

sounds about right

[dull night]

Man walked by skelly and flipped him off

[primal trench]

I really dont know whats a serious comment or not from you anymore

[fallen blade]

maybe

[opal mural]

Are we talking about the Root-Stalker miniboss in Erebus? Just sprint back and forth or in a circle

[fallen blade]

am i rage baiting ppl here?

[primal trench]

Dont know if id consider rage bait

[dull night]

Yeah her, cuz it feels like it should be a damage window in there somewhere

[dull night]

Idk if thatd count as an attempt tbh

[primal trench]

Sounds like youre baiting yourself at most

[dull night]

Every other attack where they shoot in a circle you can juke or at least punish

So itd be really weird if the only enemy you couldnt do that against would be the first enemy that could do it

[fallen blade]

sure

[dull night]

Like how in kingdom come deliverance game never teaches you how to dodge lol

[opal mural]

You sprint back and forth or in a circle until it finishes shooting, the stunning roots and tentacles make it hard though

[dull night]

It teaches you how to riposte, which is a fancy way to get yourself killed

[dull night]

Yeah exactly? It feels wrong

Every other enemy who has that kind of move can be punished

But the first enemy who can do that, in the first region, is just a cardio check?

[fossil condor]

She does stop for a while, but not very long. She turns faster than mf eris though is the problem

That miniboss walled me so hard my first few runs

[dull night]

It just feels strange

It walled me too until I realized she was an asophdel witch

[fossil condor]

Just get an armor hammer room 1

[dull night]

Lmao

Asophdel gaming

[opal mural]

Nah if you get Melting Swipe you're definitely getting Master-Slicer instead

[dull night]

I just walk up to her and press buttons aggressively

[fossil condor]

I hate him sm too

[fallen blade]

idk

[dull night]

I'll get through her armor faster than she gets through my patience

[fallen blade]

i feel like for that boss, the closer you are the better

but my control is not there

[dull night]

Not for that one

Its design is just so weird compared to the rest of the game

[fallen blade]

for me the dark mini boss is weird

[dull night]

Tbh the trick there is realizing those floor mites arent hitboxes

Theyre projectiles in fancy coloring

[fossil condor]

Floor mites

[dull night]

Mhm, those walking mole nukes

[fallen blade]

yea have to kill the source

[dull night]

And the center goes last

[fallen blade]

yea

the center just have to dodge his attacks

[dull night]

Once you get good enough you can blitz the middle fast

[fallen blade]

he attacks slow

[dull night]

But tbh not much point since unlike most minibosses the ads have to die too

[fossil condor]

I always go middle first and then eat projectiles cleaning up the others

[dull night]

I clear outside first myself unless I have anti armor perks

It sucks to dash into a mite cuz cloud bs

[fallen blade]

how much can we eat tho

[fossil condor]

All you can eat buffet

[fallen blade]

taking damage is rough this game

[dull night]

They do chip

[fallen blade]

like we barely heal

[dull night]

It adds up because you have no resources on start

But later on you get 70 starting hp and 3 revives

It takes a while tho

[fallen blade]

ahh that makes sense

[dull night]

I think I completed chronos before my 3rd dd

[fossil condor]

If you would just confide in Frinos you could start with more hp too

[dull night]

Actually I think I did that before my second dd

[fallen blade]

but rn i feel like witches staff is the best eq for me

[fossil condor]

I won the night that I went from 1 to 3

[dull night]

If it works it works

[fallen blade]

like i dont rlly take chip with staff

[dull night]

Funny thing is you dont evwn use those dds

Emotional support DDs

[fossil condor]

Basically

[fallen blade]

i beat hecate with dtaff and blades

[dull night]

After I got 3 dds I stopped spending dds in my runs

[fossil condor]

That’s important, cinder is needed for many things

[dull night]

Were u there for my horrendous cycle tho @fossil condor

I had horrid oceanus room luck

[fossil condor]

Probably not

[fallen blade]

with the torches and axe

[fossil condor]

Oceanus was terrifying my first time

[fallen blade]

no luck yet

[dull night]

||Zag boss|| into Uh Oh into Asophdel back to back

[fallen blade]

axe makes me wanna go in and take damage

but with antler is so sus

[dull night]

Game wanted my ass dead

[fossil condor]

Wym ||zag boss||

[dull night]

Midshop

[fossil condor]

This was after credits?

[dull night]

Yeah lol

[fallen blade]

remind me what’s cinder? i’m allergic to names

[dull night]

I didnt know they could yeet you straight into a miniboss afrer

[dull night]

Her material drop

[tidal moss]

Hecate boss drop

[fossil condor]

The flame Hecate drops

[fallen blade]

oh yea

she could just give it to me as thanks for me being her student

[fossil condor]

I kinda want to start a second save

[dull night]

Wait for ||eris|| to curse you lol

[fossil condor]

See how I do now that I suck less

[dull night]

Try the trial of subsistence or smtn

0 arcana cards

[fallen blade]

maybe you beat hecate first run

[fossil condor]

That was the first trial I did

[dull night]

I reached hecate first run

[fossil condor]

And I nailed it

[dull night]

Which was a surprise

[opal mural]

Simply get a clear first run on new save trust

[dull night]

H1 had some carryover

Ngl I thought id at least make it to region 2

[fossil condor]

Fresh file but you have to buy a new cdkey every attempt

[dull night]

Lmfao

[fallen blade]

then it wasn’t a surprise

[dull night]

Wdym?

[fallen blade]

you expected to reach region 2 tho

[dull night]

Cuz I played H1

[fossil condor]

He’s got you there

[dull night]

I can beat that games final boss consistently

[fossil condor]

You said you were surprised

But you also said you expected to get to r2

Which is it? I feel like I can’t even trust you anymore

[dull night]

Lmao

Im getting ace attorney'd

[fallen blade]

lol

[dull night]

I thought I'd make it further since I played H1

[fallen blade]

i didn’t think he’d explain it

[dull night]

Looking back im surprised I made it to hecate without knowing half the damn buttons in the game

[fossil condor]

I’m too sleepy to start a new save so bye

[dull night]

Bye

[primal trench]

I def bonked hecate first try, died in zone 2 tho

[dull night]

I was panicking hard

Witch of asophdel ptsd vs 70hp

[opal mural]

I died to Hellifish first run pretty sure

[dull night]

Every other boss tho took like 2 runs to die at, 3 to win

[opal mural]

Followed by like 4 deaths to Scylla because I didn't understand the in-out attack like a dumbass

[dull night]

Scylla's fish got me at the end lmfao

[dull night]

Hindsight 2020

At least you didnt die to the fish school

Its like dying to parked car

[primal trench]

I died to deep serpent first run, and like 4 times after. Then died to ||scylla|| like 5 times hellifish didnt exist back then

[dull night]

Hellfish are the swarm?

[opal mural]

To this day I still don't know how to dodge Deep Serpent projectiles lol

[primal trench]

The spinning jellyfish

That has like a million of the little ones

[dull night]

Bruh I forgot abt that, that thing killed me too, first oceanus death

"If I dodge into this somehow thats prolly the play"

[fallen blade]

hellfish is the swarm that flies?

[primal trench]

Thankfully that got added later one so I didnt have to deal with it when I first started

[primal trench]

No?

[dull night]

Turns out dashing into a bayblade isnt exactly conducive to a hitless run

[fallen blade]

oh

[fallen blade]

it’s hard to be hitless in those small rooms in r2

[dull night]

Also that revenant was rough on my first attsmpt

[dull night]

Give it time tbh, you'll manage

Dont forget btw, wayward son good

[primal trench]

Who

[dull night]

At max level thats 180hp across a run

[dull night]

Region 3

[primal trench]

Oh

[dull night]

The hp regenner dented me

I still killed it but it got me killed vs ||cerb||

[primal trench]

The ||phantom||

[dull night]

Yeah, its def a noob killer

[primal trench]

Its a tough enemy for sure

[dull night]

Funny now knowing what I know it explodes in 15 seconds

[fallen blade]

i’ll try to remember

[fallen blade]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1500800236803850320/1501139555560984576/image.png?ex=69fafca7&is=69f9ab27&hm=3982b5614a6e5874fbc89df965658d65bc8791cae2d0c7dca17bcd6d576b68e6&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1076&height=700 hi guys antler is not working

what should i use next?

[tidal moss]

If you're playing axe start with apollo

[fallen blade]

i die too quicckly in bos fights

thanks

[fallen blade]

antler better with staff huh

[tidal moss]

Hestia or pos is better with staff

[fallen blade]

ahh i did the right thing choosing hestia for staff then

rush on apollo is best

[tidal moss]

I just found a mod that makes the game alot easier if you are visually impared, idk if that would help you

And also a tts mod

[fallen blade]

|| https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1500800236803850320/1501157601583566959/image.png?ex=69fb0d76&is=69f9bbf6&hm=5fab15c5b4a38652ae394692bb70a613e9f6ae4535fe56f690d249a360515422&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1100&height=688 ||

yo i got to second boss somehow

idk what i did better

other thank having a ton of health

[wintry rivet]

Experience add up

[fallen blade]

i have like 175 max lol

[wintry rivet]

Remember to turn on music

[fallen blade]

why

i died

but man they sound good

it was a good death cuz they sound so good

oops

[primal trench]

Spoilers

[fallen blade]

did that censor it?

[primal trench]

Yeh

[fallen blade]

nice cuz to me it’s still on

lol

[idle haven]

I know about those mods, but I am against them on principle. It isn't just accessibility mods, but any mod will tell a developer that they don't need to fix their game, or make future games better, when fans can do it for them. This especially goes for accessibility mods. It tells developers they don't need to talk to blind players because blind players can simply program accessibility into their games for them, and for free. And besides, that only works on computers. I'm playing it on Xbox, but thank you for taking the time to find it, and tell me about it. Shows that some sighted people actually do care about accessibility, including some developers.

[tidal moss]

Fair enough

[primal trench]

Right, mods aren't the answer, just a mere bandaid

[fallen blade]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1500800236803850320/1501206174983524412/image.png?ex=69fb3ab3&is=69f9e933&hm=6e22347d7993d1e1b92bb1c6dbb41f9a6d61ca561722825c7a3f4fd35620f655&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1088&height=700

cast seems good

[tidal moss]

Yes

[wise locust]

Just as long as it's not the other cast boon from artemis

[fallen blade]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1500800236803850320/1501215209002373282/image.png?ex=69fb431d&is=69f9f19d&hm=83d7a1b7eb8d1ad4bc912ff2f3692dd46beb5677442f8e2ed274f88afa766319&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=2314&height=1486

i might wanna just get the gold

health is a good resource tho

wait i want the psyche

ill get psyche

[tall kernel]

silver is needed to unlock levels of many of the mel aspects, but yeah you also need psyche for grasp when you're early game

[fallen blade]

yea to me its harder to get psyche

[fossil condor]

Silver was a bottleneck for sure once I unlocked ||aspects||

But ||Raki|| exists

[north ridge]

Does ||Prometheus|| ignore DDs!?!

[dense anchor]

no

are you getting hit by his ||flame waves||? they deal quite a bit of damage

[north ridge]

Will it burn through a whole dd? That was my first time

[vivid flare]

They hit for 100

[vivid flare]

Spoiler mark that

[north ridge]

That’s a pretty good chunk of health

[karmic sable]

I don't think there's any way to die through a death defiance but getting hit for 100 twice in a row could definitely kill you before you know what's happening.

[tall kernel]

Don’t get hit by them.

[fossil condor]

Hopefully you can memorize ||3 numbers in a row, and later 5 in a row||

That’s all it takes to not get hit

[north ridge]

Yeah again, first time

[dense anchor]

and you can also make it ||4 in a row if you stand in a safe spot for the first strike, then memorise the succeeding ones||

[bitter zephyr]

does hermes hard target work on bosses

the slowed projectile one

[devout radish]

Yup!

[vivid flare]

Sure does

[fallen blade]

alright

[bitter zephyr]

||does the typhon fight ever change or is the no healthbar thing the entire fight||

[bitter zephyr]

kind of worked against me tbh

[vivid flare]

You have to gauge it Monhun-style

||Typhon gets progressively more beat-up as his health gets lower||

[tidal moss]

No healthbar ever

[bitter zephyr]

watched my friend beat him and its kind of an underwhelming fight

[tidal moss]

He's just a bullet sponge, the rivals fight is much more entertaining

[vivid flare]

||It's a tough act to follow up off Prometheus||

[bitter zephyr]

Real that's an awesome fight

[dull night]

Later on he ||gains the ability to dodge your moves sometimes||. It's not all that but its really cool.

[tidal moss]

So he doesn't always have the ability to dodge ||omegas||?

[dull night]

Only if you miss

[tidal moss]

[neon summit]

is|| chronos ||harder or easier to defeat and get to then|| typhon||

[opal mural]

Everything before ||Typhon|| is definitely harder, for the bosses themselves it really depends but I'd say ||Typhon|| is harder because he hits so much harder so you're hurting if you do get hit by him

But he is very predictable so it's not too hard to not get hit by him (except for in the last phase I'd say)

[dull night]

Also worth noting ||typhon|| only has one real position on the map, so you can always hurt him

Chronos can zoom

[sonic mirage]

Can someone explain what scorch is in simple terms? If it does 100 damage per second why does the amount you inflict matter?

[tidal moss]

It does 100 damage per second, and removes 100 scorch per second

[primal trench]

You apply x amount of scorch, from x say it does 100 per second. But x can go over 100, x can be 300 meaning you have 3 seconds of the target burning for 100

[dull night]

It applies at x rate, but scorch damage is how much is trickling down

So those boons that buff scorch rate are really good, and those skills that buff total scorch dealt are more useful to extend debuff time

[sonic mirage]

Ohh ok thank you my sibling was explaining this to me in the most convoluted way possible lol

[tidal moss]

Yes

Also spoilers

[spark spruce]

My bad

Thanks

[timber dew]

How to confess myself that Selene keepseek is not good?

I just love everything connected to the moon

That's why I played Hades 2 before 1

[tidal moss]

Once you get good builds and start taking good keepsakes you''ll realise that she's mid

[timber dew]

A moon is a moon 😥

[dense anchor]

if you have a build that heavily uses magick and you've also primed a lot of magick, then it's pretty decent!

[timber dew]

Well I still new for the game I'm trying to catch up everything especially that I didn't play Hades 1 tho I'm enjoying it

Sometimes I don't understand anything because well I know basic English not fantasy English

[polar wraith]

Its most worth grabbing if you have

Heal
Zombie with infinite duration upgrade

Id also say laser is good
A lot of people vouch for wolf howl as well

[timber dew]

Okay! I'll take them in consider

[dense anchor]

whoops I completely misread, I'll blame it on lack of sleep

just ignore that

[winter basin]

Selene isn’t bad overall it’s just she takes a lot of investment and if you take a hex it means that more rewards are gonna be overwritten by paths of stars

And she’s also just not anywhere near as usable on like 70% of the weapon aspects in the game that rarely use omegas at a higher level

So she falls off a lot in viability outside of being a backup safety option if you are forced to take her

[timber dew]

Yes indeed that the issue. at fisrt I was using the witch keepseek which give more omegas and it was so fun to play with Selene hex but now since I'm using Selene's keepseek I have low omegas and I barely can use one of her hex lol

[tidal moss]

Just ignore the selene keepsake for now and start with any olympian

[timber dew]

Okay thanks! Lúthien: #2 Selene Coat Hater

[devout radish]

Oh wow full government name and everything 🫢

[timber dew]

[tall kernel]

imo, selene keepsake isn't something you take out of the gate, except for maybe selene coat.... everything else you take something else for the 1st and 2nd regions and maybe take it in the 3rd region when you might already have a hex and you just want to level it up more with the keepsake.

[tidal moss]

It's not worth it on selene coat

[tall kernel]

well there you go, never take it out of the gate

[proven gazelle]

isnt it bugged on selene coat or smth lol

smth smth you cant get a moondrop so it doesnt know what to do

[tidal moss]

Nah it just gives you the upgrades

[proven gazelle]

ahh ok, but yea then that runs into the issues of an inconsistent star chart

selene unless you get pretty lucky is better played as a blue mel coat 😭

[tall kernel]

i thought godsends can come later and your star chart adjusts somehow.

[timber dew]

When I actually gave up the Selene keepseek I reached to the final boss for the second area 😭

[tall kernel]

I'm almost positive I've gotten ares after selene with selene coat, and my chart changed.

[opal mural]

Yeah but it's not just the godsent that you need

[tall kernel]

ah, you sound new... keep playing, choose god keepsakes that help a cohesive build with rerolls.

[timber dew]

Yeah that's why I'm in this channel 😂 okay 👍

[tall kernel]

I think the rare and epic selene nodes don't change based on selene keepsake or having ||ares||, if that's what you're implying. If you don't get the node you want, your seed is just the wrong seed.

[opal mural]

Well yeah that's what they meant by "inconsistent"

[tall kernel]

but maybe not a great new player convo anyway

[tall kernel]

i'm not sure what they meant then

[opal mural]

The point is the hex is only "good" with certain upgrades so you have to reset for a good path of stars on top of everything else if you actually want to use the aspect

[tall kernel]

so what makes taking the selene keepsake change the randomness of the seed?

[tidal moss]

It can yeah

[fossil condor]

Nothing changes, but since the hex is only useful sometimes, then her keepsake’s value is inconsistent and therefore not worth using over more consistent options

[primal trench]

yes, any hex you have will show the godsent after you acquire the god

[bitter zephyr]

is freezer burn just the new version of merciful end? not sure if i should take it

[wintry rivet]

It is one of the way to scale scorch

If you don't have pyro technique it is good

[bitter zephyr]

hestia already by far my favourite

also cutest fr

[fossil condor]

Her outfit is serving

Freezer only really worth if you find yourself capping out at max scorch I feel

And don’t have pyro

[bitter zephyr]

ive never gotten that tbh

[opal mural]

True Merciful End in this game is Romantic Spark I think

But it's not used very often because you probably don't need it on most weapons

[bitter zephyr]

does eris ever stop leaving crap all over the crossroads

[fossil condor]

Nope

You can buy her a trash can and she fills it up and keeps throwing stuff on the ground

[bitter zephyr]

||is hestia or hera mana regen generally better on flames||

[real osprey]

||Both are pretty good, if you can get things like Fine Line/Ocean Swell, Cardion Gain does not keep up, though

I'd go with Born Gain, and I'd build a ton of Magick||

[bitter zephyr]

yea just got that first one no idea why its so fun

but im using that gain this run and it seems to run out really easily in bossfights

[fossil condor]

Need more max magick so you don’t prime yourself out

If it’s getting really bad you might consider taking the silver wheel for one region

[bitter zephyr]

good tip acc ty

might take it for the final room

[fossil condor]

It lasts for the rest of the run so you can take it any time

The extra magick lasts I mean

[vivid flare]

Nah, there's a Duo with Aphrodite and Zeus that is literally just Merciful End

[bitter zephyr]

does anyone acc pick pets for the benefit or just whichever coolest

[opal mural]

95% (?) of high fear runs use Gale because it provides the most defense

[bitter zephyr]

but

frog

[opal mural]

2% for Raki with Circe, 2% for Frinos with Nergal, 1% for Toula with Supay, 0% for that stupid dog

(these numbers are all pulled out of my ass btw)

[bitter zephyr]

idk frog cooler

didnt know they acc mattered for runs tho i thought he only helped gain psyche

[opal mural]

When you have them full upgraded they will each have their own benefits

Frinos: ||+40 max HP, can do 30 damage||
Toula: ||+1 DD worth 80 HP, does 99 damage 10 times when you wake her up||
Raki: ||+4% global crit chance, can mark opponents for increased crit chance||
Hecuba: ||+60 max Magick, can dig up bubbles worth 100 Magick and stun enemies||
Gale: ||+6% move speed and dodge chance, can block 3 hits per region||

[bitter zephyr]

ty ill try and upgrade these soon

[vivid flare]

Yeah, because the benefits for Raki and Gale are really good

[vivid flare]

Don't the torches use the dog so they have some early max MP to work with?

[fossil condor]

Any magick heavy weapon can use Hecuba as an early safeguard

But you can generally manage without once you get better

[bitter zephyr]

||just beat chronos enough times to get the gigaros spear, wondering if theres any benefit of doing more underworld runs aside from resources or if i should focus on the surface now||

[fossil condor]

In terms of reaching credits no there would not be any benefit as long as you already have enough ||zodiac sand||

[timber dew]

|| the mouse mini boss in area 2 is the worst||

[primal trench]

||uh-oh||

[timber dew]

||What a name||

[primal trench]

||sadly it doesnt stick||

[desert robin]

||uh-oh, i just encountered uh-oh while uh-ohing after i uh-oh'd against hecate rivals curse and lost 2 DDs||

[small escarp]

||Dissolution of Time|| completed 🔥

[bitter zephyr]

completed the underworld section in its entirety and i think after a run i wanna try a different weapon (been running umbral flames since the second i unlocked, def what im best at but i know theres gotta be smt more fun out there). any suggestions for weapons (maybe something similar to eris rail from the original game)

[opal mural]

Hidden coat is kinda like Eris because it has sort of an "absorbing" mechanic but it also kinda plays very differently and is very hard to use

Hidden skull is the most rail-like weapon in the game

[primal trench]

Dont think they have aspects

[bitter zephyr]

yea rail-like is enough not necessarily eris but i dont have hidden aspects yet smh

i love how many materials they added

always gives me a goal rather than to just spam runs and make progress

[bitter zephyr]

what makes hera gain so good? ive been running out constantly and dont really see why i wouldnt always use hestia

[opal mural]

Because some weapons don't hit enough with the normal attack and special to work with Cardio Gain

[bitter zephyr]

mb i meant umbral flames specifically

you basically hold down magick attack all game yet it seems most ppl use hera

which esp doesnt make sense considering boss fights

[opal mural]

Born Gain gets better the more magick you have

And it can be the only way to sustain some extremely magick-heavy builds

[bitter zephyr]

the one run i tried it i prioritized it (tho kind of later on) but with hestia ive never run out of magick

[opal mural]

If you don't have boons that make you use more magick then yeah you won't run out of magick with Cardio Gain on Mel Flames

But if you add stuff like Weed Killer, Fine Line, or Ocean Swell for example you'll find yourself running out

[bitter zephyr]

interesting alright next run ill just take evey room to increase magick and try it again

[opal mural]

Yeah just really depends on the rest of your build

[vivid flare]

If you're going ||surface, something that really enables Born Gain is getting Traces of Spirit from Medea||

[midnight ridge]

yeah like z kid said, i tried using cardio gain on torches last night. took fine line forgetting I only had cardio gain, it was unfun. was really hoping for a born gain sacrifice, but settled for ionic gain, which finally allowed the fine line torch build to pop off

cardio gain is a great way to solve low magick spend builds without having to take any max magick (unlike ionic or tranquil gain which you would want high max magick for). cardio gain doesn't really care about max magick which is nice

but for me, born gain never fails me. if it's a low magick spend build, I won't prime out. if it's a high magick spend build, I'll take a few max magicks - and now I can actually support my high spend build better than any other gain could. it gets exponentially better every time you increase your max magick, and it really likes rarity and levels

[bitter zephyr]

yeah i always just thought to avoid anything that primes magick

i still go for them very often just not the heavy primes like zeus

[midnight ridge]

that's fair. I find that I'm usually flush with cash at low fear so I buy every max magick in every shop and it's more than enough to take static shock and stuff without worry

if I'm doing a magick heavy build, at least. if not then I might buy just one or two over the course of the run

do you use the uh, persistence arcana? that extra starting magick is nice to have

but yeah, born gain is the "infinite mana after some investment" gain. not every build needs infinite mana so the investment of max magick isn't really worth the effort in those cases. but for builds that DO want infinite magick, can't beat born gain, and the payoff of consistent fine line/weed killer/possessed array is basically always worth the effort of taking more max magick

[bitter zephyr]

if u use aromatic phial after restoring health from a fountain will i automatically restore more or will i onyl restore more at the next one

[opal mural]

It's the next fountain you drink from (including fountain rooms?) so usually people take the Phial before drinking from the fountain

[midnight ridge]

if you wanna use phial, you gotta make sure to equip it before drinking the fountain, unfortunately

[bitter zephyr]

its fine i just quit the room and reset lmao

[midnight ridge]

oh true xD

I never know which areas are savescummable and which aren't, I just assume quitting at any point will delete my run

[bitter zephyr]

is the base damage from a blast from aspect of moros just equal to special damage

[opal mural]

I believe it adds 60% of the base damage of the attack and Oattack at level 5

[viscid nimbus]

i don't have to do void to max out my weapons right?

[tidal moss]

Never take void

[vivid flare]

The only time you should ever take Void is once for the Prophecy and then never again

[dull night]

Void turns the rougelite into a roguelike

[desert robin]

you can just do the forgo arcana trial for it also

[vivid flare]

That doesn't count as having Void active

And the prophecy I'm thinking of is to win a run with every Vow active at least once

[desert robin]

wait theres a prophecy like that?

[vivid flare]

There should be, the last game had one for it

[fossil condor]

I’m not sure that there is one this time

[brittle gate]

There is indeed one like that

[timber dew]

Hey everyone. Sorry if my question was dumb but when I know if I'm ready for ||the surface||

[desert robin]

||you need to go to the surface to be ready for it
theres a certain incantation you need ||

[timber dew]

Oh okay thanks

[nimble cipher]

What's a good general keepsake to use if you have strength active and don't need anymore new gods? Previously I would default to luckier tooth

[dense anchor]

lion fang, metallic droplet if you're using an omega-heavy weapon like torches

[nimble cipher]

Thanks, I've been running melinoe aspect axe

[vivid flare]

As in a region 2 or 3 keepsake? Amulet or Hammer

Honorable mention to Phial if you have a Common that can't be pommed

[bitter zephyr]

how does medea aspect help with speed? was just watching a sppedrun and he seems to constantly have dashes

[vivid flare]

Extremely high damage out of the box, plus Skull has good mobility thanks to the Special

I believe you can alternate the dash and the Special to zip around

[bitter zephyr]

ohh thats what it was lmao

just undid a night to check that out

i really do wanna try other weapons but the moment i got the torches i just realized im probably best with them

might have to tough it out for a while till the true ending atleast

||or till my first upper area clear||

[fossil condor]

The special on skull is very similar to a dash

[bitter zephyr]

On an off note lol what's ur favorite weapon/aspect

[fossil condor]

Medea Charon and Moros are maybe tied for favorite

[vivid flare]

Nyx, Moros, Circe, and any of the axes

I'll probably end up enjoying a lot of the hidden aspects, but I first have to actually unlock them

[opal mural]

Mel Staff, Nyx, Circe, Hidden Skull, Eos

The theme is safety and ease of use

[dense anchor]

anubis, charon, nyx, morrigan

[bitter zephyr]

glad so many like moros

i feel like such a coward using it lol like the shield of chaos from the og game

[bitter zephyr]

hows eos compared to moros?

really lost on which weapon to try next since im considering a break from the storyline

[vivid flare]

Plays in reverse

You keep the Omega Attack up and spam Specials

[bitter zephyr]

wdym by up?

for moros i just hold down attack and go for the magick special the second it expires

[vivid flare]

That is not how you should be playing Moros

[bitter zephyr]

whoops

[vivid flare]

As in you always want to have a Daybreaker active

Like how Moros always wants you to have your OSpecial active so it'll automatically pop your Attacks

[bitter zephyr]

yeah this is what i meant

alright ill unlock eos as soon as i can and figure that out though

[opal mural]

Yeah Eos is safer but has lower damage potential probably

[bitter zephyr]

||only done one run of the upper and got past prometheus but experimenting with weapons is gonna make it impossible to progress further there||

[vivid flare]

Not really, it's about the same

[bitter zephyr]

ive finished the underworld section though so might as well fig it out

[vivid flare]

Especially since Night can be active for the entire Daybreaker's duration as long as you don't cast an OSpecial while it's out

[vivid flare]

Nonsense, you'll start progressing again once you get the hang of all the Aspects

[bitter zephyr]

well yeah eventually, just unsure if i should try and get atleast one clear out of the way with what i know best or mess around first

im trying to get the nyx aspect asap cuz the coat is just such a cool weapon to me

[fossil condor]

A clear does start to open some things up

[vast oasis]

Never heard chaos and moros comparisons before that’s new

[bitter zephyr]

weapons are different asf thats for sure its more about the way i feel playing it

[vast oasis]

Chaos doesn’t really have a counterpart it’s just there

[bitter zephyr]

though its possible its just cuz of how stalled out i play the fights still being terrified of a single shot (which was how i felt getting my first clear which was with the shield)

[bitter zephyr]

yeah honestly after my clear with it i never played it again

[vast oasis]

Moros is kinda weird at first

[bitter zephyr]

which i dont thinkll be the case with torches necessarily but theres just something about it where its fun but also feels like im not really fighting?

its hard to explain tho maybe its cuz of the billions of runs i did with eris rail

[bitter zephyr]

whats ur favorite?

weapon/aspect

[vast oasis]

That’s a tough choice
Nergal moros come to mind

Charon has lost its appeal but mel staff has started growing on me

Medea is frustratingly good but I’m iffy on that one

[bitter zephyr]

whats fun about moros to you? like im really just trying to pinpoint for myself why its working so well, ever since i unlocked torches i havent gone off them

[bitter zephyr]

real i did one run of mel staff for the chaos trial and i have no idea why it felt so clean

[vast oasis]

If you get a good core set on moros it’s insane

[bitter zephyr]

imo a better starter weapon than the sword was in the og game

[vast oasis]

I run sworn strike heaven flourish born gain and just add anything that buffs the omega attacks in some way

[bitter zephyr]

and i despised the spear in that game so this is a nice refresh

[vast oasis]

It’s like a shotgun when it’s done well

dual moonshot dash strikes are satisfying

Maybe move this to the regular channel btw

[bitter zephyr]

i am gonna aim for atleast a single clear of the surface before i mess around but damn its so tempting to goof around

ive done a couple runs where i just go up till scylla and quit the night just to test the other weapons

[real osprey]

There is a reason it is one of the most used weapons on Max Fear, it is really good

[bitter zephyr]

whoops u right

[vivid flare]

All 4 Staves are excellent in ways that the Sword will never be

[fossil condor]

Sword was lowk stinky

[bitter zephyr]

nem sword was pretty nice

[vast oasis]

Nemesis was fun

[bitter zephyr]

spear i DESPISED

[vast oasis]

spear or rail were my least favorites

[fossil condor]

Achilles cast spect so fun tho

[real osprey]

I like Hades 1, but if I'm honest, I ended not liking that much a surprisingly big list of weapon aspects in the game

[vast oasis]

The combat is far better

probably because of more sophisticated weapons and boon selection

[karmic sable]

Sword and spear just hurt my hands from mashing.

[vast oasis]

Nemesis will do that

[fossil condor]

For flurry hammer spear I would put attack on shoulder and hold it down while I dashed

Goes insane

We wayyyy off topic again though 🤣

[bitter zephyr]

real, with the spear in t he og game (tho the one run i did was on handheld switch cuz i was on vacation) i had to constantly pause cuz my thumb was cramping up

on achilles too

[limber wedge]

hey does anybody know how to unlock this dialog from athena "Your thoughts about Arachne are causing you distraction, which in turn is causing me distraction now. I would propose a means by which we could put this matter with her to rest." ive talked with her and arachne like 10 times each but it still wont unlock

[primal trench]

Keep playing and talking to them

Gift them too, maybe even hec

[nimble scaffold]

Can ||Zagreus|| encounters show up on the surface?

[potent quail]

yes, but less likely

[vivid flare]

||Yes, with the same conditions as down below||

[primal trench]

Isnt it same chances? 2 zones?

[potent quail]

you're right but iirc midshops are rarer on Thessaly/olympus

[grizzled wren]

Perhaps in the second zone. I feel I almost always see one in third zone

[shy zephyr]

midshop is rare in thessaly and olympus

you're pretty much guaranteed midshops in erebus and oceanus

so on surface you have to roll both midshop AND the contract

[primal trench]

Really I feel like I see surface midshops more often, but oh well guess its biased

[fossil condor]

Did you mean Oceanus the second time you said thessaly

[shy zephyr]

yes

[fossil condor]

Contract fight is so dangerous regardless of where you do it, for me anyway

Too greedy

[primal trench]

I always do it, the hardest area is erebus and if I die there, we'll its the first area, not much is lost

[formal gull]

any pointers on Eris? she's being a gaint pain. i can't beat her boss.

the boss fight. can someone tell me where i meet the cat friend. i want the cat.

[potent cedar]

Right after you beat Polyphemus, at the entrance of the Rift of Thessaly, on the docks, you can find her.

[potent cedar]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/bLbxmkQ-OKY

Don't forget that the first time you'll meet her she will always run away, so you need to meet the cat twice

[formal gull]

ok, i'm just blind then. and about the Eries or however you spell her name. how do beat her.

[potent cedar]

Eris.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9KOKJHjc9A

This is the best advice I could find because even I struggle to properly beat Eris

[shy zephyr]

mostly just stand behind her

she can't do anything when you're standing behind her

[formal gull]

yea, i had a hades one Inisect. run away as fast as you can. it's really hard to break that habit. because last week i was grinding Hades out hard. so funny.

i was grinding out all the hearts. so i had to get good to get Athena's thing. so yea.

i'm still trying to break out of bow strats.

but thanks.

[potent cedar]

I get the feeling "stand behind them" is the good strategy for most of the bosses...

[tall kernel]

why were you running away in hades 1?

[formal gull]

i had the bow

so i liked to keep my distance.

[tall kernel]

but there were many other weapons? you just never use them?

[formal gull]

no i did for the minor propacy. but i used Trippy shot to continued to keep my distance. or when i did the aspect of auther is when i grew up.

[opal mural]

In H1 I was either running away with Hestia/Chiron, pressing the block button with Beowulf, or facetanking with Merciful End Demeter

No in between

[formal gull]

no Dio on the Chiron was actually broken

i miss Dio

i liked the bow.

[tall kernel]

there are weapons with range in hades 2, but the name of the game is positioning.

Eris aimed sniper shot can be blocked by the pillars, you can still try circling her but she aims fast so you have to have a dash ready I think ti get out of the way .

The slow shot gun blast is best to stay behind her.

I found that all enemies and bosses in hades 2 are difficult at first even from being good at hades 1 until you learn the fight.

[formal gull]

no scartch that. i loved the bow.

that is again saying. "your issue is a skill issue, get good"

[viral crest]

Eris and Charb are the two worst bosses in H2. The other ones aren't too bad.

[turbid basin]

Charb?

[tall kernel]

there's no good bow equivalent ... there is pan's daggers, but it's not really chiron.

[tall kernel]

the tentecles

[turbid basin]

You mean charybdis?

That boss is light work...

Wait until you see Polyphemus Rivals

[formal gull]

"yea. i face him one time and got a face full of projecttiles

[turbid basin]

You are gonna be dashing alright.

[formal gull]

i miss my second dash

[tidal moss]

Sprint is better tbh

[formal gull]

😭

[tall kernel]

i'm finally getting better at poly rivals... it was one of the harder rival bosses for me, but I learned just focus on not getting poisoned.

[tall kernel]

I just replayed Hades 1 again for the first time in months, and I mostly forgot I had two dashes...

[turbid basin]

Not only that but like...
|| 40% speed Zagreus ||

[formal gull]

i'd rather be able to reposion myself fast intead of worrying about getting hit in the behind.

and splash dash

[turbid basin]

Sprint is better cause of the Hermes(?) boon

[tall kernel]

keep playing, you'll get it.. you're just suffering from Hades 1 is different and I miss it syndrome

[formal gull]

yea. and the cards keep srewing me over

[tall kernel]

I also prefer the dash/sprint of hades 2 now

[tidal moss]

The best way to play hades 2 is to forget 1 ever existed

[tidal moss]

Never use judgement

[tall kernel]

no way they have judgement if they are struggling on eris

[turbid basin]

Eris isn't 4th boss.

[formal gull]

cards are must have. like the wayward son and the cast buffs like speed and that.

[turbid basin]

You can get the more useless cards then

But then again* using Arcana is a double-edged sword since later you are meant to never rely on using it

[formal gull]

then the life improvemnts. death definaces.

[tall kernel]

judgement is just rng "fun" but never better than just a full 30 grasp loadout.

[turbid basin]

Judgement allows for all of the cards

[viral crest]

I didn't think he was too bad but by the time you get to those fights you've got a well built out arcana and unlocked more weapon upgrades.

[turbid basin]

I've been going 20% arcana only rn.

[tidal moss]

He's considered one of the easiest rivals

[tidal moss]

There is no reason to ever take void

[proven gazelle]

unless youre a 67 gamer 😭

[tidal moss]

Outside of the prophecy or over 62f

[turbid basin]

I'm going for statue and it's an easy one to take.

[tidal moss]

There are so many free vows and you take void

[turbid basin]

I have like every single one activated

32 Fear

[tidal moss]

You do you

But allat for low fear is nuts

[proven gazelle]

worlds strongest 32f soldier

[turbid basin]

It's not really hard, just requires a good run

Besides it could be worse and I go for 5 mins vow

[dense anchor]

with a normal 32F setup every run is winnable

time3 is super easy (at 32F)

[tidal moss]

You don't heven have time 3 on it's so free

[turbid basin]

Not for me

[dense anchor]

probably because you're using judgement

[turbid basin]

Even if I do under 5 it's only by like 20 secs

[turbid basin]

Does judgement have some kind of unwritten downside?

Shouldnt you be taking it if you only can use 20% of arcana

[dense anchor]

you're kneecapping yourself by gambling for good arcana

[tidal moss]

Activates anti synergies

[turbid basin]

I already have every arcana I need activated though

For the most part

[tidal moss]

Origination, furies, death/strength, huntress

[turbid basin]

I have strength on cause no defiance

[tidal moss]

If you're not starting with the first two at least then yeah it's a kneecap

ok so instead of a free 100% damage boost

[proven gazelle]

you have basically no arcana at the start so youre floor of the run is in the dirt

and by the end of the run youll have the same stuff you couldve had in a normal 30 grasp setup

more != better for arcana, you dont care for some arcana anyway depending on the weapon

[turbid basin]

But the vow restricts having 30 grasp

[proven gazelle]

then dont take it 😭

[turbid basin]

I need to...

[tidal moss]

Don't take the vow

[dense anchor]

bruh don't take it, that's what we're trying to say

[proven gazelle]

you dont have to take void theres a reason no one takes it until the 62 -> 65/67 push

[turbid basin]

Bruh the other ones are cancer and I want to unlock the third statue

I don't really wanna face a horde every room

[proven gazelle]

then dont take hoards 😭

hold on let me make you a 32f

[opal mural]

"I don't want to face 20% more enemies, instead I'll make myself 80% weaker" *for region 1

[dense anchor]

lol

[turbid basin]

There's no need to be that rude.

I'm making a genuine ask here

[tidal moss]

And we told you why you're wrong

[proven gazelle]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzAsMCwwLDYsMCwzLDEsMCwwLDIsMiwwLDYsMCwyLDIsOF0=

thats a setup i can recommend for 32! rivals3 frenzy2 and timer3 are the main points here

[opal mural]

I can see the appeal of Judgement being fun but it's definitely making things unnecessarily hard

[tidal moss]

I second this

[proven gazelle]

if you dont want frenzy2 then you can take some wards, more return, or some fangs

[turbid basin]

Did I mention I also hate both first rivals?

I'll probably supplement what you put there though

[tidal moss]

They're not that hard 😭

[proven gazelle]

yeah adjust where you want but my biggest tips are avoid the top left corner and void as much as possible

also scars2 is deceptively easy

[turbid basin]

I'm pretty much really only dying cause of having scars 3 on instead of 2 or 1

[tidal moss]

You wht

Yeah this is bait, i'm going to bed

[turbid basin]

I really hate their rivals versions

Otherwise I would always take it

[proven gazelle]

scars3 is crazy 😭 no wonder youre struggling

[dense anchor]

wait, scars 3 with strength?

[proven gazelle]

scars3 is avoided until 60 -> 62

[turbid basin]

I don't really need any of the other arcana unless I do specials 40% damage

[proven gazelle]

whats your keepsake lineup too actually??

like per region

[dense anchor]

just don't take scars3 please, omg

you just want the third statue, right? why make it 100x harder for yourself

[turbid basin]

I don't really meta game that but I usually switch for tooth if I need it for last boss

[dense anchor]

like if this was some like, goku training for 67F then I'm not going to try and stop you

[tidal moss]

'Hey chatgtp, what's the least efficent way to play hades 2'

[dense anchor]

tooth on strength? 😭

[turbid basin]

I haven't learned every single attack pattern

I usually die atleast once

[dense anchor]

I really recommend taking Death then, instead of Strength

and not taking scars3, obviously

[turbid basin]

I found 4 Defiance to be too easy, making earning the statue that way no fun for me personally

[opal mural]

Yeah you can remove all Rivals from the above and add Return 2 Fangs 2 Scars 2 to get to 32

[digital jungle]

Tooth with strength 😭

[turbid basin]

I just said I still take 1 death on last boss.

[dense anchor]

look there's a difference between making something too easy vs completely making the game unfun

[turbid basin]

I get that it seems like a crime, but the tooth saves me

[dense anchor]

the reason why you're dying is because you can't heal!!!!!

[digital jungle]

Onion? Or is it the ohko that kills you?

[opal mural]

Instead of artifically handicapping yourself at 32 why not go higher than 32 and use better setups instead

[dense anchor]

no it's because they're taking scars 3 and strength and then putting tooth on top of that

[turbid basin]

Then ig I'll supplement back to scars 1

[tidal moss]

And void

[potent quail]

what

[digital jungle]

Then do rivals

[turbid basin]

^

[dense anchor]

I meant strength not death, my brain's getting cooked

[dense anchor]

isn't that good though? you wanted a challenge

[turbid basin]

Too much going on with Hec

[potent quail]

for 32 i would say strength is easier

[turbid basin]

I don't actually mind polyphemus rivals, just that it's annoying

[dense anchor]

32F is still feasible without rivals AND without void though

[potent quail]

oh you don't wanna do rivals like at all? i thought you just wanted to avoid rivals chronos/typhon which is reasonable

[digital jungle]

You said you wanted to make the game harder on yourself.

[turbid basin]

I haven't unlocked rivals chronos yet.

I'm still only just after the credits basically.

[potent quail]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzAsMCwyLDYsMCwzLDIsNSwwLDIsMiwwLDYsMCwyLDIsMF0= still doable but i would rather just do rivals

[dense anchor]

they don't want time3 either unforch

[potent quail]

https://tenor.com/view/silly-cat-silly-car-car-stare-10-thousand-yard-stare-10-thousand-yard-gif-14200271775968563996

[turbid basin]

It's fine since I just realized I haven't tried out Fangs.

That would easily keep it at time 2

[turbid basin]

This one is actually better for me than the other build, thanks for that

[tidal moss]

What aspect are you using?

[turbid basin]

I use Moros since I like the gameplay of torches

[dense anchor]

torches are very fun

[turbid basin]

I get that Medea is better but I can't tap my switch that fast.

[dense anchor]

||medea|| is a top tier aspect but it's fairly unsafe as well

[tidal moss]

Medea is pretty risky for high fear

[potent quail]

based choice

[tall kernel]

All torches are great

[tidal moss]

Except mel

[tall kernel]

mel is great, just not as great as the other torches. But Mel torches still feel strong enough to easily clear

[jaunty mason]

I definitely wanna try out the torches more, i really like the aspect of moros with boons from Hestia

My problem is I’m addicted to my rank v aspect of melinoe skulls 🥀

[tall kernel]

just follow the grave thirst recommendations

lots of variety is fun

[jaunty mason]

I’m having a brain fart what’s the grave thirst recommendations

[tall kernel]

the purple glow that randomly chooses a weapon type for you

[jaunty mason]

Ohhh gotcha, I’ll definitely have to try that out! My next goal is to complete the prophecy for finishing a run with each weapon ||on olympus|| so I’m gonna give it a shot

[tall kernel]

there are also the testaments that require a certain fear for each weapon type

[jaunty mason]

Yeah I’m at like 16 or 18 fear for the skulls and 1 for everything else 💀 I’m definitely going to start trying out some of the other weapons soon

I really like how the Chaos Trials let you get a feel for them with certain builds, i find it super helpful

[tall kernel]

yep

[formal gull]

so i didn't win, but i made it to Chronos twice in a row! and wiped the floor with Scylla. i am so happy. i wanted to celebrate. the advise worked. just get good. that's all it took.

took playing nothing but Hades for a week and getting the cat, but i got there.

and Hep

he helped.

that burst damage on the spiecal on the sister blades.

it helped me big time. and Poseidon's attack, Hestia on the cast.

that's what i did.

[tidal ginkgo]

Bro yesterday I spent a full hour of my day beating Prometheus only to find out that there is MORE. WTF BRO

[tidal moss]

4 regions both ways

[tidal ginkgo]

I js want ares bro

Is aspect of Artemis good it’s my favourite aspect

[tidal moss]

Not really

[tidal ginkgo]

!

But it can do 1000 damage

And I beat chronos first try with it

[tidal moss]

You don't have to beat final boss

Just reach him

[tidal moss]

Almost every aspect has been used to beat max fear, artemis is just weaker end

[tidal ginkgo]

But I didn’t because I had 0 death defiance and died on the summit like right before typhon😭

[tidal ginkgo]

Ohhhhhhhh

Ok

I’m trying to get the hidden aspect for sister blade

Is it good

[tidal moss]

Best blade aspect

[tidal ginkgo]

Bet

Time to grind for shaderot today

Just to get pan

[tidal moss]

Pan is the worst blade aspect btw

[tidal ginkgo]

But I need it to get the hidden aspect

[tidal moss]

Unfortunately yeah

[tidal ginkgo]

Bro I remember I got to Tartarus and there were no shaderot the whole time I was there

[primal trench]

While youre not wrong, its worth noting theres a difference between max fear and early game

[tidal ginkgo]

😮

[versed sparrow]

Guys, I need help..

I am hard stuck on surface runs.

Please help me with builds so I can defeat typhon.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

[winter basin]

What weapon do you enjoy playing?

Also you should probably spoiler mark ||surface|| and ||typhon|| since it is a surprise reveal

This is a new player chat and there’s people who are more new than you are

Spoiler tag post-Erebus content discussions

@versed sparrow

[versed sparrow]

Oops.. I am so sorry abt that..

I enjoy playing witch's staff, Umbral flames, and Sister blades.

[winter basin]

Do you have a particular one you want advice for?

And a specific weapon aspect you prefer

[versed sparrow]

I am open to try anything as far as I can clear the surface run once successfully.

[winter basin]

Well if you enjoy staff then definitely a solid place to start would be Aspect of Circe. It’s very beginner friendly and the inherent effect is strong even without upgrading it. The upgrade increases the damage of the leash but that’s not a big deal since using it effectively is something that only starts becoming a big deal at a higher level

Staff in general is one of the most versatile weapons in terms of what works on it

For Circe you want to aim for Zeus or Hestia cast, but others like Hephaestus, Poseidon or Apollo are solid replacements for the cast

For a familiar to use with it the usual recommendations are Raki or Gale since they’re quite predictable in their movements. Raki either pops up right next to you when you cast or is off attacking enemies. And Gale is constantly following you around. Both make it very easy to keep your secondary cast where you want it

[versed sparrow]

Gotcha..!

[winter basin]

As far as attack, special, rush, and gain you can honestly use just about anything since a large portion of your damage will be coming from your overlapping casts

Usually staff uses omega moves very rarely, only really opting for omega attack if there’s a convenient moment to use it. Otherwise your most effective method of room clearing is typically dash attack and special while dropping your casts around to split up damage and crowd control

Hope that helps

[tidal moss]

You can also use this guide

[steel bane]

hi, i played night 40, but i dont meet Artemis, or her dont stand sing in Cross? Why?

[waxen dove]

Well she dosnt have her own dedicated boon rooms she only will appear randomly on some nights going into a normal reward chamber nectar, ashes, bones etc etc

[vivid flare]

Well, are you picking rooms she can show up in?

She can't appear in any rooms where you're accepting a boon from another God (or picking a Hex)

[maiden hound]

hey, few questions,

1. can you hear moonlight guide us at the crossroads through the broker with artemis and mel singing or just the instrumental?
2. how do you get the fates whim icon on the entrances?
3. is there a way to enable a room counter?

[true bridge]

I can confirm, you can indeed play Moonlight Guide Us through the music shade (forgot its name) once Artemis comes around to the Crossroads and she will sing Moonlight Guide Us instead of Time Belongs to Us

Can't answer the other 2 'cause I'm also kinda new to Hades II

[vivid flare]

Fates' Whim icon?

What do you mean by that?

And I don't believe there's a way to enable a room counter by default, you may need a mod for it

[maiden hound]

yeah, a little bubble when you go near the entrances to a run, that pops up and reminds you of fates whim. the icon looks like a d20 or a reroll-dice

[vivid flare]

Oh, the seed reroll

It's an incantation you get from the epilogue

[maiden hound]

i should ve done that before beating 32 fear... well then, thanks :)

[vast oasis]

1: You can’t buy the lyrical version of songs
2: unlock the incantation for rerolling the run seed
3: no

[fossil condor]

1 annoyed me so much

First song I bought was ||scylla music||

[craggy perch]

same, literally beelined to buy ||claw out your eyes||

such a banger and i cant even hear the whole thing cause ||im too busy kicking her butt the whole time||

^^ area 2 boss spoilers btw

[fossil condor]

Turn the music all the way down before that fight and see what happens 👀

[polar laurel]

I like the instrumentals tbh, I'm glad they exist, plus the soundtrack is on youtube

[bitter zephyr]

what are generally the best rewards to get from circe? still working toward my first upper clear

[wintry rivet]

Become big or small is generally fine

Familiar buff can be good depends on who you bring

Remove vow can feel like cheating or nothing

[bitter zephyr]

how about the one that makes all hp effect 25% stronger for the rest of the night and i think restores 50%

or is getting bigger still better

[wintry rivet]

Isn't that just improve healing

[bitter zephyr]

yup

[wintry rivet]

Without scar healing generally strong enough and don't need it

[oak elk]

I start running with fear, what is solid arcana setting to run? I see many people not running Queen card to choose others. Is it not worth playing the Queen? Or the others are better?

[wintry rivet]

Queen has a condition that hard to activate and an effect that isn't huge impact

[tidal moss]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMSIsImMyIiwiYzYiLCJjNyIsImMxMiIsImMxMyIsImMxNCIsImMxNSIsImMxNiIsImMxNyIsImMyMSIsImMyMiJd

Something like this if you're running rerolls

Queen is almost never worth forcibly activating

[oak elk]

Ty I will try this one

[vivid flare]

It's because Queen's more of a luxury pick than something super important to have active

Plus with the post-credits keepsakes preventing you from using the reroll cards if you want their effects, it means running Strength and Death on the same build, which is something of a waste of 4 Grasp

[nimble cipher]

I completed an underworld run with my first fear level - time with the axe but I didn't get any reward - did I miss something?

[vivid flare]

From what I remember, the first axe bounty is on the other route

[nimble cipher]

Ah I didn't realise they were set to a specific path, thanks!

[vivid flare]

Yeah, the bounties are all on specific bosses

No

Only the final bounty for a weapon is on the final bosses. Also, spoiler mark that

[nimble cipher]

Ok dokes, ty

[formal gull]

ok i've made it too Chronos with the aspect of of Artemis so can anyone give me a build to actually not die horrably on the way to Chronos or to Chronos himself. i want to actually beat him. i am getting good, but still not good enough.

[coral stone]

I always start with the golden sash and then I use knuckle bones and luckier tooth

[tidal moss]

You should start with a god keepsake, and take pin last region instead

Sash is pretty bad outside of the dress achievment

[primal trench]

I think knuckle bones is better than pin final region, unless youre not making to chronos consistently and dying on ||tartarus.||

But yeha starting with sash is a pretty bad idea

God keepsakes if you have a build in mind, if youre okay with rng then you can start with charon purse maybe for extra money

[tidal moss]

If you're not dying in the fight then yeah anything will be better than pin/tooth

[wintry rivet]

not dying? Time to antler

[primal trench]

Even if you're dying in the fight. I still think bones is better, hell even tooth. Id take pin only if youre dying in the regular ||tartarus|| chambers

[tidal moss]

pin is just better than tooth, and bones is worse than both for r4 tho

[primal trench]

Were in the new players channel so id assume were noy talkigm about r4

[opal mural]

Region 4 is what they meant

[primal trench]

Oh

Nah I disagree then

[opal mural]

I don't really like Knuckle Bones for Chronos usually tbh since it only takes from his 1st health bar

[primal trench]

Like I said id only take pin if youre dying before the boss

[primal trench]

Its a big help early on when youre struggling with the fight

[opal mural]

I only ever used it on hidden Axe cause I use Strength on it

[tidal moss]

ikwym, but pin is still more value than tooth in the fight

[primal trench]

I disagree, especially if you have any sort of healing boon

[tidal moss]

Just agree to disagree then

[primal trench]

Indeed

[opal mural]

I think Bones helps less than Tooth overall still, it's 10% DR and Chronos' strongest move is 35 damage so you'd have to take 29 hits to match Tooth eHP

And I still like Pin over both anyway, though I will say I used Tooth and Evil Eye as a new player to get first clears lmao

[primal trench]

The more hp/dds you have the better bones is, on top of the dmg it does to the boss

Perosnally I dislike pin in general unless im doing really high heat stuff where youre prone to dying in regular rooms a lot

Then it becomes amazing

[opal mural]

I kinda agree Pin isn't that good for a new new player since I doubt you'd be able to do massive damage in the 10 second invulnerability period but eventually they should be able to

[primal trench]

Indeed

[formal gull]

sorry i just finished eating dinner also who gives the pin keepsake?

[primal trench]

||moros||

[formal gull]

oh so i have it ok, but i mean like in trems of Gods. what got me to Chornos before was Poseidon attack Zeus speaicl Hestia cast, and i think i had Apollo dash. is there something i can do better? also i got Hera glow thing wich hit my cast so i just wiped the floor with every boss leading up to Chronos.

[primal trench]

Now gods its out my reach, im a fan of random. So that'll have to be them to help you

[formal gull]

yea i watched one guy do pretty colours and win. i said i'll retire if he wins. and he won. and it's sad for me. i'm playing optomal strats and still losing. i'm not used to this yet i think.

i think i going back to Hades 1 just to prove i still know how to play this game

[primal trench]

Optimal strats can only get you so far, youre the ultimate piece in the build

[formal gull]

lol

i know so this is still the problem. all i get "your losing, skill issue" lol

[tidal moss]

Pretty much how this game goes

[primal trench]

And thats okay, we all struggled. I know i did, I kept playing and getting better, learning from my mistakes

Tips and guides wont magically make you better, sure they can help, but only you can make it matter

[formal gull]

i only started winning in Hades one because i heard online that Dio was good for bigeners so i went with it and what do you know i won my first Hades fight the next day. and it helps when someone can tell me how i can replace my boy Dio

[primal trench]

Why are you losing, who killed you, what attack killed you? How can you dodge it. Record your gameplay, see where you failed. Die, learn, repeat

My advice, less focus on builds, more focus on mechanical skill

[formal gull]

yea got a high Hestia cast and wiped the floor with Scylla. though my revange arc is not complate till i can pull that off again. Hera is so good with Glow it's like Rare crop but better

[primal trench]

Im really glad steam has built in recording now, makes this easier for me

[formal gull]

yea i play on swich so i can clip things but can record entre runs. though i think that's the only way someone is going to help me if i can show them the runs and they can point out where i'm messing up.

i really do want to play this game

mosty for Odysseus's lines

but i do want to "get good" as i would put it.

[primal trench]

Yeha thats the bets way imo, record your stuff, see whats doing the most dmg to you, and learn how to dodge it

Or post it, maybe people will offer tips tailored to your gameplay

[formal gull]

it's the project tile emeys i'm not watching them. and the ones that spin in a cricle with a blade. that's what did me in Hades 1 two. bad sense of sruoundings. i'd die to traps. and lose death defeinces i should have lost. all because lost sense of my sroundings Asphadol was the hardest for me. not because it was hard. but the lava. and same with Hades 2 i'm walking into enamys i shouldn't be.

[primal trench]

Well you got the first step down, which is very important, you know your problem. Now practice fixes that

[rustic hinge]

its just experience, youll learn how to space everything out just by playing more

[formal gull]

see what i mean it's "skill issue" lol. it's a skill issue.

i'll get it down