h2-for-new-players

[tall kernel]

the price is still cheap, but if you're still having fun with hades 1, no need to drop it if paying for hades 2 is a problem

[polar wraith]

you can change the dead zone in settings if you lower it, the auto aim will be lessened

[livid cradle]

is there a way to increase the auto aim?

[rustic hinge]

nope either on or off

[tribal remnant]

how do i get a different ||familiar, don't get me wrong frinos is a good boy but i wanna see||

[stiff hawk]

give treats to other animals

[tribal remnant]

i don't see any

[stiff hawk]

not at the hub, but during a run

[tribal remnant]

OHHHHHHHHH

thank you thank you

[stiff hawk]

e.g. raki the raven spawns in erebus' fountain room, you can befriend him there

[tribal remnant]

thanks so much for this i only needed the ||memory game|| tip and it worked wonderfully

didn't even use a ||death defiance||

[proud pebble]

Where do I get adamant?

[winter basin]

||Olympus||

It's a mining resource so bring Raki if you want a higher chance of it appearing

[modern tulip]

So || Eris || didnt pop up for me

Is this a glitch

[tidal moss]

She stops appearing in the uw after 10 runs

[modern tulip]

i see

[radiant vault]

||Morrigan is soo good||

[proud pebble]

Can't get past || chronos ||

Even with good stuff, just not playing good

[tidal moss]

What arcana, keepsakes, and aspect are you using?

[fossil condor]

Take your time

[proud pebble]

Idr, haven't unlocked aspects yet just shmoovin with the ax

[coarse dune]

|| do the testaments double everytime coz i just had a very nice 4 fear surface run on circe staff and all of a sudden now i have to go straight to 8 fear which seems like a fairly significant jump ||

[winter basin]

||They increase incrementally it’s only coincidence that it’s doubling at first. It goes 1-2-4-8-12-16-20||

[coarse dune]

yeah ok its just weird after hades 1 where you could just add one more on and get easy rewards

[winter basin]

||8 fear also isn’t that bad just take time 2, hubris 2, debt 1 and shadow||

||or take frenzy 1 in place of the hubris and debt||

[tidal moss]

Fear doesn't really get challenging until after 32f for most people, 4-8 is quite a small jump

Testaments only go up to 20 either way

[winter basin]

They reworked it since the old format required you to beat every weapon 20 times for true completion

||The nightmare you get increases to 2 at 8 fear and 3 at 16 fear||

[coarse dune]

that seems reasonable

[winter basin]

20 fear is a lot easier than I’m sure you think it is tbh

If you have a decent pace and can handle fangs then that’s 8 or 11 fear right there depending if you take time 2 or 3

[coarse dune]

i didn't really get far with heat in 1 so im not all that experienced at the endgame difficulties for this franchise but i could probably learn im just not that confident really

[winter basin]

Learning vow of frenzy early on also never hurts

[coarse dune]

i did 2 runs with time 2 and beat them both in relatively time 3 times but im not confident about doing it reliably

[winter basin]

If you can get out of Erebus in under 5 minutes the rest of the run is free tbh

[coarse dune]

i have heard people say that erebus on time 3 is a run killer

[winter basin]

As long as you take mid shops and special encounters when they’re available you can save a ton of time over a run

[winter basin]

At high fear sure but it’s super easy to do at low fear

Time 3 is WAY easier in Hades 2 than it was in Hades 1

[coarse dune]

well i have to do || surface for my 8 fear testament are there any real time crunches for that coz olympus is pretty long ||

[winter basin]

||Olympus is often a run killer for time. If you take doors instead of launch pads you can get fountain rooms and minimize your chances of running into Aetos since he can only appear outdoors||

[coarse dune]

im like 35 hrs in is that early enough?

[winter basin]

I was putting on Frenzy 2 before I hit 20 fear and there’s very few enemies that it really turns into an issue

Just learn how to cower in your cast and you’ll be fine

[coarse dune]

i love my cast

[winter basin]

Demeter cast is super safe

[coarse dune]

cast is easy my favourite change from hades 1

[winter basin]

It hard carried some of my 62 fear clear I got today

[coarse dune]

i always try to get something good on my cast

[winter basin]

There’s not really any BAD casts overall, just ones that don’t give curses for origination

Which if you’re not running origination you really should

And Furies

[coarse dune]

i did a run with scorch cast and the boon that makes scorch do damage faster but i wasn't really feeling the extra speed as much as i thought i would is there any real dissadvantage for that boon because i felt like my dmg output was almost lowered using it

[winter basin]

Honestly you really don’t need to speak in New Player chat cause it’s not like anything other than the true ending is spoiled for you

[coarse dune]

love origination

[coarse dune]

yeah i should probably switch at this point but everyones just so helpful here

[opal mural]

Smolder Ring doesn't apply enough Scorch on its own to benefit much from Pyro Technique unless you're stacking with Circe

[winter basin]

Yeah pyro technique is bad if your only source of scorch is cast

Since it lowers the duration and so it doesn’t count for origination as often

[coarse dune]

yeah i did feel like i was doing less

[winter basin]

Scorch deals damage at 100/s but the cast can only APPLY scorch once per second

So if it’s applying 40 scorch then you only get origination for 40% of the time

Even less if you take Pyro

[coarse dune]

would it be worth getting pyro technique but not upgrading it too much then

[winter basin]

Genuinely if your only source of scorch is cast you actively avoid pyro technique

[coarse dune]

now i know

how does || vow of rivals work coz it says that the gaurdian of one region has a new technique this night so does that mean that they don't level up in difficulty like the EM bosses but theres just more the higher rivals you go? ||

[tidal moss]

It's the exact same as em

[winter basin]

||no the fights are entirely different. They have similar moves but some fights almost entirely change||

[coarse dune]

damn
sucks

[winter basin]

||So if you found EM bosses harder than their base versions the scaling of rivals is way harder by comparison to their base versions||

[tidal moss]

Can confirm

Except ||eris||

[winter basin]

||the rivals bosses in Hades 2 put the majority of EM bosses in the dust||

[winter basin]

Still don’t really agree but 🤷‍♂️

||I still think that even if she’s not that hard she’s WAY more annoying to fight||

[tidal moss]

She gets a little bit of a powerspike, but nowhere near the level of ||scylla||

[winter basin]

Yeah ||scylla|| goes from like bottom 3 to top 2

Basically every ||rivals is like the difficulty scaling of Theseus and Astereus in H1. Honestly even a bit more||

[coarse dune]

theseus and asterius was really the only EM3 fight i was scared to fight

[winter basin]

You clearly never got to EM4

[midnight ridge]

i agre with this, em1 and em2 are pretty free

[coarse dune]

nah the highest i went was em 3 with time 1 on and i think the blue shield one, overall only 8 heat then i got crazy tilted after jumping straight to 16 to see if i could do it, made it to elysium but got robbed in the boss

[winter basin]

I went back to Hades 1 last week after 3 years and jumped from only like 4 clears at 1 heat to doing 32 heat

Just had to hit the build and get the hang of the controls and fights by doing forced overtime 3 EM3

Then instantly went to 32

The timer on Hades 1 is a LOT more troublesome due to how many waves the encounters have, no time freeze in shops, and the enemy spawning requiring you to kill every single enemy instead of all but one

[coarse dune]

yeah but see the difference is you're cool and familiar with it i just kinda play the games coz the cool and greek mythology

[winter basin]

Oh yeah not trying to flex just saying like I’ve got some perspective of both games and if you could do 8 heat on Hades 1 then Hades 2 should be a cake walk

The pacts in Hades 1 are way tougher than most of the vows in 2

Hades 2’s vows are very tame by comparison

[midnight ridge]

i dont remember hades 1 pacts as well, but hades 2 just has a good amount of free-ish fear

[coarse dune]

i was playing 4 basically like a normal run so if i got the right vows i could pprobably go to around 10 with some practice

[winter basin]

Prioritize the timer

Time 3 is not especially hard even casually and will get easier to keep up with as you keep playing

Add on shadow and hubris and 10 fear is basically free

[dull night]

Hades 2 vows are pretty chill

[coarse dune]

i have been trying to do runs as fast as i can no matter whether im on a timer or not and i've managed to getr relatively good at it, my 4 fear was in 13 and a half minutes but thats quite low fear

[dull night]

Enemy hp scaling up 30% versus like doubling in H1 or something

[winter basin]

If you can do 13 minute 4 fear you can do 20 minute 20 fear tbh

[dull night]

Also that one thing for 10% chance of enemies in further regions spawning is kinda free tbh

[midnight ridge]

if you can do 13:30 at ANY fear, youre ready for timer 3, even well into the 32+ fear range

[winter basin]

That’s 7 extra minutes to play safe

[dull night]

Mhm, first timer is free

[midnight ridge]

ok not "well" into that range. but UP TO 32 fear i bet youd still be fine with time 3

[winter basin]

Ehhhh it can be bad for some aspects in region 1

[dull night]

You'd have to sandbag a run to actually lose on count

[winter basin]

Some aspects are VERY weak until you get good boons

And menace slows you down a lot

[dull night]

Im on low fear and its kinda negligible, unless I get a boxer from asophdel lol

Menace is rough yeah

[winter basin]

Speaking from experience but Oceanus enemies in Erebus stinks

[dull night]

Timer is free, the enemy hp thing is just a knowledge check on damage boons

[winter basin]

Grit should go on later

[dull night]

Tbh I dont mind oceanud enemies in erebus

[winter basin]

Like around 32+ tbh

[dull night]

Minus the small fish

Whats your ideal 8 fear loadout?

[winter basin]

Hippos, lurkers, and the larger spindles can be very annoying to deal with

[midnight ridge]

to me it feels like some vows make the game hard on their own (rivals, grit, scars) and some only make it harder when youre already at high fear (denial, debt). and imo i think enemies from the next region is only really hard if youre already at high fear

[winter basin]

Literally just frenzy 2 shadow

[dull night]

Tbh rivals is just a practice check

[winter basin]

That’s the speedrun loadout

[dull night]

Frenzy 2 is what again? Speed? Whats shadow

[winter basin]

Speedruns use frenzy cause it makes the game run faster

[winter basin]

Just an extra enemy in warden encounters

Literally only matters like 3 times per run if even

[dull night]

Hm, got it

I usually run the timer but I can see the logic of frenzy

[winter basin]

Shadow is used for underworld for the shadow spiller warden since you no longer have to kill the extra enemies

[dull night]

Free fear with enough practice

[winter basin]

I find I have to actively play slow to make time an issue below 50 fear

[dull night]

The only real cutoff is 32 fear right

[winter basin]

As long as you’re pushing buttons and not face tanking damage it won’t be a big issue until you turn on hordes grit wards and return

[dull night]

Everything past that is self imposed?

[winter basin]

Yeah for 100% you have to clear 32

[dull night]

Whats your 32 loadout

Also damn, stardust is a pain

[winter basin]

Time 3 frenzy 2 fangs 2 debt 2 hubris 2 shadow menace 2 rivals 2 and any additional 1 fear vow

[midnight ridge]

everybody says revenant are easy but they REALLY screw up my time honestly, i keep timing out unless i turn them off. im so bad at dealing with them 😭

[dull night]

Rivals 2 for both run types?

[winter basin]

Revenants are genuinely just annoying

[wintry rivet]

Revenant?

[dull night]

Also btw how does the testament selection work

[winter basin]

Vow of return

[wintry rivet]

Return?

[dull night]

Cuz it only shows one area, either underworld or surface

Idk if theres a way to toggle the night vow to show the other route

[wintry rivet]

Return alone is annoying, but together with horde grit it just terrifying

[winter basin]

This chat ought to move out of new players if we’re gonna spoil anything

[dull night]

Chronos is ||gold||

[midnight ridge]

nah, the boss you get is the boss you get. but over the course of completing the testaments (that is what theyre called right) you will fight each boss once (per weapon) i believe

[dull night]

So its like a bounty almost

[midnight ridge]

yep exactly

[dull night]

So that means i gotta match the boss if i want the nightmare?

[midnight ridge]

yep

[dull night]

If I do the other run I get nothing?

I kinda wish they were individually tracked

[winter basin]

You kill the boss it says with the weapon it says at the fear it says

If you don’t do it you don’t progress

[dull night]

Ahh, got it

[winter basin]

You just have to clear the boss you don’t have to win the run

[dull night]

Do we just do all the chaos trials btw

Or is there another stardust farm

[winter basin]

Only if you need the resources I haven’t even done all of them tbh

[dull night]

Stardust hard

[winter basin]

There’s other ways to get stardust later

[dull night]

Like what

Also flux is a pain lmao

[winter basin]

Stuff

[primal trench]

Buying them

[winter basin]

Just play the game tbh

[dull night]

Havent unlocked the buying yet

[primal trench]

Just play 😈

[dull night]

It says I need to accumulate 9 stardust first before theyre for sale

[primal trench]

How do you not have the broker, is an early af unlock

[dull night]

Im just tryna hit that point

[winter basin]

Asking how and when everything unlocks defeats the concept of the incremental unlocks

[dull night]

The broker doesnt unlock some things unless you have a certain quantity

[primal trench]

Cobalt just seemed to want an outside opinion about everything before he does it

[dull night]

Pretty much

[primal trench]

Which is not bad all things considered

[dull night]

There was a dude who kinda headbutted his way to the surface lol

[primal trench]

personally i think that defeat the point of the game, but to each their own

[dull night]

Didnt even unlock ||Moros yet||

So he had to do like 5 more runs just to catch up to that

[primal trench]

And thats fine

[dull night]

I dont wanna go through that tbh

[primal trench]

Theres no wrong way to play

[dull night]

Yeah, but this is my preference

[primal trench]

Indeed

[midnight ridge]

cobalts save file is a group project

[primal trench]

Lmfao

[dull night]

Fr fr

[primal trench]

Except hes not contributed anything except rhe save itself

[dull night]

Tbh I just wanna unlock the crossroad rehab project

But damn, 40 prophecies

[primal trench]

Bro opened a Google docs and made it public

[dull night]

The wiki is out of date af sadly

[primal trench]

No it isnt?

[dull night]

Still uses EA info

At least for the familiars its out of date

You need 4 for bravery but it listed just 3

[winter basin]

It is

[primal trench]

Mmhm

[dull night]

Its why I yap here

[primal trench]

Feel free to fix any errors you see btw

[dull night]

The aphro one was rough for the nectar recipe

[winter basin]

Eh it’s been 300+ hours of game time since I did any of this

[dull night]

Turns out you need to say hi to her within 3 runs of ||getting a gold apple||

I thought I broke it for a while

[primal trench]

Oh you mean like prophecies and stuff

Yeah makes sense, not many people look that up

[dull night]

Unlockables

[primal trench]

They just go thru the game

[dull night]

Tbh I just wanna upgrade the crossroads lol

[primal trench]

Thats fine

[dull night]

40 prophecies is a lot

Theyre nowhere near as easy as H1 prophecies

[midnight ridge]

get grinding bro

[dull night]

I have been oof

[midnight ridge]

XD

[dull night]

I lost a run getting the axe hew daedalus hammer

[winter basin]

Just take something if it has a scroll on it and doesn’t actively screw over your build

[dull night]

Too late for that run, rip

[midnight ridge]

lol yeah, i remember trolling runs just to get prophecies

[desert robin]

no
Since its rng
Take the scroll no matter what
Completion is important

[dull night]

My first two successful surface runs were so scuffed lol

[primal trench]

My prophecies took a while because i modded ap2

[dull night]

I was doing knuckle bones for nobody, lost 2 death defiances at promy, and somehow beat down ||typhon||

[primal trench]

It varies from person to person

[winter basin]

So what you’re saying is you could do it even with a bad build so then higher fear with a decent build should be easy work

[dull night]

It wasnt even a bad build, I played stupid

But yeah its doable now

Funny enough I now find ||chronos|| harder than ||typhon||

The latter is just chin music dps

[desert robin]

not everybody wants to roll credits super fast and speedrun 100%, me knows
Wish i could be a casual gamer

[winter basin]

Yeah once you know where to stand he’s basically free

[primal trench]

Precisely

[midnight ridge]

i agree, ||typhon|| is such a fraud

[dull night]

Im ngl I actually find those ||boats harder to fight in than region 3||

[winter basin]

Try not to spoil the routes

[dull night]

Oh right sorry

[winter basin]

This is still new player chat so like limit stuff to things you’d know from watching a trailer or having a basic knowledge of how roguelike difficulty scaling works

[dull night]

Got it man

But yeah, am I crazy for feeling that

[midnight ridge]

||the worms that spit pink will always hit me 5 times in a row no matter what||

[winter basin]

Hear me out

[dull night]

Genuinely ||surface 2|| bleeds me a lot more than the rest

[winter basin]

And you’re gonna need to listen to me on this one

Don’t stand in front of them

[dull night]

True, frigging silksong boss pattern

[winter basin]

And don’t run straight at them

[dull night]

Oh, i thought u meant ||charybodis||

[midnight ridge]

i would never stand in front of them. dont DASH into them? now thats just something i cant promise...

[tidal moss]

Shaw

[midnight ridge]

i play hades 2 like doom eternal

[dull night]

I cant figure out their buckshot lol

[tidal moss]

I find this story relatable

[dull night]

The only thing they fear is you

[winter basin]

Put on Axe to rip and tear

[tidal moss]

Until it is done

[winter basin]

Fear is actually that you are making the enemies more scared of YOU

They become stronger because you scare them more

[dull night]

I remember on my first run of the 2nd doom game I played on the hardest difficulty for the first 3 levels thinking there was a difficulty achievement

Turns out thats deadass the hardest part of that game

[winter basin]

“Fear is for the living and the dead” you are literally juicing the hell out of enemies and they’re saying “this lady is still tearing us apart”

[dull night]

I kinda wish big spoiler ||Zag|| gave us a random boon from the ||pact of punishment||

[primal trench]

a random boon?

[dull night]

Framed like ||pact of punishment buffs||

[primal trench]

Oh not a boon, I see what you mean

[dull night]

He threatens to do that to us lmao

[midnight ridge]

i was just thinkin i wish ||zag|| rewards were cooler than like... 3 free poms over the course of a run

[primal trench]

The fight alone is the reward for me

[dull night]

Man also leaves his ||cast gems|| on the floor like a punk too

Can you gift him stuff btw

[primal trench]

Yes

Wait no

You cant

[dull night]

I wish you could oof

Then he gifts you back ||H1 hectar||

[primal trench]

Isnt it the same?

[dull night]

It was a lil different

Either that or the ambrosia

I swear im not crazy

[primal trench]

The nectar and the ambrosia are the same im pretty sure

[dull night]

Smtn was different

Tbh a ||companion zag keepsake mighta been cool too||

[primal trench]

I am 90% sure they are identical

[dull night]

Give us the double dash

[primal trench]

Ew no

[dull night]

Would be rly funny

[primal trench]

No dashslop pls

[dull night]

What if we got 4 dashes

But couldnt walk anywhere

Like the guy playing skyrim where he cant move

Man was launching himself everywhere with jelly

[primal trench]

Aight youre on your own, no clue what youre on about

[dull night]

Have u played skyrim

[primal trench]

No

[dull night]

Basically you ate a jelly in that game to paralyze yourself, then exploit the ragdoll to achieve movement

You can cross the map with paralysis-induced momentum

[fossil condor]

I did what?

[dull night]

Skyrim lol

I was joking about getting 4 dashes but no walking

[tall kernel]

i don't even remember the jelly paralyze mechanic.

[dull night]

Its not usually an item players eat lol

[vivid flare]

Do you want me to DM you the video

[primal trench]

sure

[vivid flare]

👍

[shy zephyr]

can you dm it to me too, it sounds funny

[left herald]

I need shadow for an incantation...but it says shadow is only available to craft after doing the incantation...how does that make sense ??

[astral orchid]

i think you can get shadow from a prophecy

[vivid flare]

Do you have the other tab for the cauldron available?

[modern tulip]

Is their a guide to the boon system

[vivid flare]

Gonna have to elaborate on what you need guidance on

[modern tulip]

i don't understand how boon are chosen, is it truely random or do boon you already have appear more likely

and getting infusion legendary duo boons

[wintry rivet]

It is random until you get 4 core god

[modern tulip]

oh i see thanks

[vivid flare]

As in who shows up and what's on offer?

[modern tulip]

yeah

like is getting a duo boon just random is there a chance to boost it up

same go with infusion and legendary boon

[vivid flare]

So unless you're unlocking a new addition to the possible gods for a night, it's completely random what gods will be on offer until you have your four-god pool for the night filled. When you accept a Boon, it's weighted to fill your "core" slots if you have any empty, with higher weighting depending on how many slots aren't filled

Infusions, Duos, and Legendaries all have prerequisites before they'll appear

[modern tulip]

ok so if i get the required boon for a duo boon, is it 100% to get duo boon or still a chance

[vivid flare]

Duos and Legendaries aren't guaranteed when you fulfill the requirements

Is it a 10% chance for both when you fill their requirements, or is the base chance for a Duo higher? I know Legendaries (besides Hermes's) only have a 10% chance to spawn

[modern tulip]

damn ok thanks alot

[vivid flare]

And then Hermes' Legendary is only a 1% chance to spawn, which is probably for the best since it's run-ending if you get it without being in specific scenarios

[stiff hawk]

how is paid dues "run ending"?

[tidal moss]

Burns up all your gold, means you can't really buy anything if you actually need it to survive

[stiff hawk]

just take timepiece in the next region

[tidal moss]

Still fully possible to burn that gold, even a few hits can prevent a boon purchase, u gotta be running mostly hitless

[stiff hawk]

if you play "mostly hitless", then what is even the point of taking this boon

[vivid flare]

Exactly

[dull night]

Whats paid dues again

[vivid flare]

You lose money instead of taking damage, until you go broke

[stiff hawk]

at 3x rate though

[dull night]

That actually sounds rly interesting

Oh nevermind, thats horrific

[vivid flare]

Yeah, it's 3 gold for 1 HP

[dull night]

Is it affected by dr

[vivid flare]

Probably not

[dull night]

That sounds trash tbh

[stiff hawk]

so 900 gold is like 300 extra hp, which is admittedly not much for this lump of money

[vivid flare]

IMO, it's a placebo at best

[dull night]

I can see the value but im not building around it

Id rather spend my gold

[stiff hawk]

you can't build around it, it's 1% drop rate, you just take it once or twice for funsies

[dull night]

LMFAO

[potent quail]

it kinda is yeah

[vivid flare]

And at worst, it's as I said, a run ender

[dull night]

Why make it 1%, just lemme do the damn prophecy

Does rarity affect the conversion rate

[vivid flare]

If you roll it in, say, Oceanus, you're probably going to be penniless for the rest of the run

[vivid flare]

It's the Legendary, so it's fixed rarity

[dull night]

Thats a legendary?!

[vivid flare]

YEP

[dull night]

Tbh I wouldnt use it if it was 1:1

Even if it was that good I would rather just spend my gold

[vivid flare]

If you get some gold gain boons from Chaos and Hermes's own gold gain, it can be an alright form of mit, but you really don't want to see it early

[dull night]

Tbh, this is gonna be a weird take but I think that boon would be cool if it docked cash only if your hp was getting low

Like theyre punching the cash out of you

[stiff hawk]

that would be too strong

[dull night]

Tbf even at 900 gold thats still just 300 more hp

I can easily get more than that with a selene moonheal

And if you hold like 300 gold, thats just 100 more hp

[stiff hawk]

this boon is basically like that most expensive suit of armor in Twilight Princess, you lose lots of money instead of hp, which is funny, but no one really wants to use it

[dull night]

I'd rather sink my money into gold ticket funding

[vivid flare]

There are some cases where you're still left with a grand after clearing out the final shop where it'd have been nice to find, but with how low the spawn chance is, you just don't find the damn thing on those runs

[dull night]

Its the boon equivalent of the hewing chop

Oh speaking of shops, quick question, does stardust ever spawn in charon shops

[tidal moss]

No

[dull night]

Damn, thats a pain

[vivid flare]

No, though you can get them and pet treats from Gifts of Night

[dull night]

Oh, got it, 12 fear right?

Im realizing H2 rewards kind of bottleneck nectar badly

[vivid flare]

Yeah, it's why I go out of my way for it when I see it

[dull night]

I think I saw 1 nectar prophecy and it needs a bit of work for the crossroads

I remember H1 had a more even spread of nectar rewards

[dull night]

Instead have 60 bones for bringing funny dice to a blind man

[left herald]

I think so imma go look in a sec

[coarse dune]

@winter basin im doing my 8 fear and just like you said it feels like a normal run honestly

[coarse dune]

easy 15 minute

[fossil condor]

I swear I’ve seen it for sale before on ||summit|| endshop but maybe not

[dull night]

Might ne nightmare

[primal trench]

Not on shops i think, it can spawn on that tartarus/summit altar once you get that incantation

[dull night]

Nectar hard

I need like 50

[stiff hawk]

did you never buy it at the hub or something, you get 1 after each run

[tall kernel]

false tbh, buy it every run from vendor and pick it at your room choices if you still need it.

hades 2 requires less runs to complete things than hades 1 I believe.

[tall kernel]

stardust is for pet food first priority

[turbid basin]

It's actually the easiest thing to get later on.

[silk shale]

Is it just me or is moon water kinda game breaking

[dull night]

I dis that yeah, for nectar

[dull night]

Wdym? A 75hp heal you can get up to 5 uses of? Thats balanced

[turbid basin]

Are you using location alters?

[dull night]

Yeah, its a bit better now

[turbid basin]

You should honestly be getting around 2-3 nectar every run

For basically free

[silk shale]

With the upgrade that gives you more uses per fountain you can go into boss 4 with like 15 left, and the one that makes it undo all damaged from the last 2 seconds makes it basically a 100% heal when needed

[turbid basin]

Typically the heal or slower time hexes are the best

[dull night]

Throw in poseidon duo

[turbid basin]

From what I've seen personally

[dull night]

Tbh i underestimated slow time cuz the upgrades go crazy

[turbid basin]

Slow time goes crazy cause you can combo with demeter

[dull night]

Slow time demeter gives it 20 damage 5 times a second, so it can just do 700 by being there

[turbid basin]

That's like 30% uptime minimum depending on build

[dull night]

Demeter gives it damage too

It gets silly

[potent quail]

moon water is 🚮

but in all seriousness what you mentioned is fine, its not even that insane and there are plenty other better ways of "breaking" the game

[tidal moss]

It's kinda really bad lmfao

[tall kernel]

don't listen to moon water haters, it's good until you're good enough to not need it.

[stiff hawk]

moon water can be very strong on strength builds

I once had 17 x 55hp at Typhon lol

[midnight ridge]

this exactly

[vivid flare]

Eh, not really. Especially since it's not something that bypasses the healing reduction Vow

[shy zephyr]

it's good but i wouldn't call it game breaking

[silk shale]

I mean the practical outcome is I fail to dodge like 60% of surface boss 4's attacks and still just out heal the damage and win, so I'm having a hard time seeing how it's not

[shy zephyr]

the hidden axe aspect can also let you do that

and plenty of other builds let you deal so much damage that he won't even have enough time to kill you

you've only discovered one of the many ways to grab an easy win with little effort

[tidal moss]

Because you haven't found anything that's actually broken yet

[vivid flare]

And unlike Moon Water, it's a Scars bypass

[vivid flare]

Eventually you'll just get good enough to not need it, for one, and again, the fact that it's affected by and can be completely turned off as you climb the Fear ladder pretty notably limits its viability

[fossil condor]

I think it shows up where ||nightmare|| is eventually sold if you haven’t unlocked anything that wants ||nightmare|| or maybe haven’t earned any

[nova sapphire]

Seriously lol.

[craggy perch]

Ngl, I love the parts of Hades 1 and 2 that are better for newer players than they are for more experienced ones

Like that, harpy feather duster, stubborn defiance on low heat, etc

I guess you could count ghost onion in that too

[livid cradle]

the slow time hex seems like the best one to me

at least that's the one that I like the most

[vivid flare]

It's alright

[winter basin]

Phase shift costs way too much magick to be viable on the majority of aspects

You’d have a better time going for wolf howl and using it for instantaneous invulnerability and mobility

[livid cradle]

It lasts for a long time and the slow is quite powerful on bosses

I have good success with it

[winter basin]

I’m not saying it’s bad just saying that it relies on you either having moon arcana or having an aspect that spends a lot of magick to be able to use it during fights

Any time I take phase shift I find myself only being able to use it once or twice per run unless I am playing something like torches

It’s not at all a bad hex, just the magick cost makes it less viable on most aspects

[proud pebble]

Where do I find all the animal familiars?

I cannot find the dog, only have frinos and some white raven

[wintry rivet]

Use your discovered familiar to gather resources with them at least once, talk to hecate

I forgot if you need to find the cat

[swift path]

Hecuba can be found in the fountain room in Erebus

does take a bit of RNG to get there

[proud pebble]

Fountain room?

[swift path]

itll be the room wheres no enemies

[winter basin]

You’re thinking of Raki

Hecuba is in Fields

[swift path]

ohhhhhhh

[proud pebble]

Im still lost as to what I am looking for

[swift path]

not Erebus sorry Hecuba is || in the Echo chamber in the fields ||

[winter basin]

You have to find ||Toula on Surface then get Hecate to trust you with them before Gale and Hecuba appear||

[swift path]

my mistake 😭

[proud pebble]

Ive been there so often and I never see anything but echo

[swift path]

then you will need to do this ^

[proud pebble]

Hmmmmm ive only gotten up there once and I died, I need to do the ritual to survive up there

[vivid flare]

Raki, you mean

Also, the cat is on the docks that ||are the first room of Thessaly||

[swift path]

yup I was told lol

my memory is bad

[sinful pendant]

new player here who keeps getting stuck on ||scylla|| but has a pretty easy time up to that

any tips? started playing the game like 12hrs ago, no hades I experience

[swift path]

|| Go for the drummer first her attacks can be annoying to deal with ||

[fossil condor]

Don’t waste dashes, top priority is avoiding red on the ground

Focus on ||the drummer first||

If you’re new it’s a somewhat long fight and the very end is very dangerous if you don’t have some magick left (if applicable for your weapon)

So try to save some

[vivid flare]

Although, you should always be looking for a mana regen boon by the time you get to that boss

[stiff hawk]

the final phase is easy, just drop a cast on yourself and the fishes can't get to you, then you just ignore them and focus ||Scylla||

[dull night]

Last phase do be a troll

Im sure its gotten most people on their first attempts

[cobalt palm]

dude i got spoiled that ||melinoe fights zag at some point|| 😭

[primal trench]

F

[stiff hawk]

yeah ||Chronos brainwashes Zag and you have to fight him later on||, sucks that this was spoiled for you

it's such a cool moment too

[primal trench]

This theory was probably my fav laugh throughout the entirety of early access

[silk shale]

Any advice on how to use the skull well, it seems pretty bad to me

[primal trench]

Depends on aspect, build hammers etc, but by default, attack attack attack special, repeat

[silk shale]

hmm ok

[craggy perch]

Regular attacks are better at close range, use your special frequently to get behind enemies and to recover shells, if you want to play more carefully you can camp out with casts and omega attacks while kiting around the arena

Apollo is good for your omegas, Zeus is good for regular attack spam w/ static electricity

Admittedly I don't use medea skull so how to use your regular attacks will be different with that

[silk shale]

I think I've only used mel so far, but that's all good to know ty

[tall kernel]

i really like the skull

[tall kernel]

one thing I like is that the opecial gives iframes, it's a way to recover your skull charges safely while doing some decent damage.

[silk shale]

Looking at the wiki, I hadn't realized that the special retrieves skulls for you, that's pretty big

[tidal moss]

Yeah don't bother with the wiki, most of the info is outdated and wrong

[primal trench]

Bruh

[primal trench]

Did you even read the message? Or just saw wiki and proceeded to copy paste the same message about the wiki being wrong?

Cause the wiki does say about the special retrieving skulls

[tidal moss]

Yeah, my bad for not having memorised the entire wiki

[tall kernel]

Yeah the special sucks back the charges from a pretty large range.

[fossil condor]

But not roomwide sadly

[primal trench]

Just special in their general direction

[coral delta]

it's so funny with the hestia "enemies explode on death" boon tho

[dull night]

Its an H1 cast build tbh

You mag dump

[ebon python]

recommended oaths to complete a 36 underoworld run?

[tidal moss]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzAsMCwwLDYsMCwxLDAsNSwyLDIsMiwwLDYsMCwyLDIsOF0=

[ember falcon]

Can anyone help me out? I read that the only requirements for getting the boon list is getting all of the god keepsakes but the incantation for it doesnt appear

[wintry rivet]

Probably some dialogue need to be trigger if you don't missed any god

[vivid flare]

Did you also get ||Artemis, Hermes, and potentially Selene's and Chaos's|| keepsakes as well?

[fossil condor]

If you haven’t won you might not actually have all the gods

[vivid flare]

There's also that, too

Bare minimum, you need ||10 of the 13 Keepsakes given to you by the Olympians||

[spare sequoia]

does the ||experimental hammer|| refresh or just complety disseaper after enough rounds

[opal mural]

It will disappear which is why people mostly take it region 3, though I think it works region 2 in underworld, it's just that there are probably better keepsakes for region 2

[stiff hawk]

what's the point of it anyway
what if you get a trash hammer like wide grin or dancing knives

it's like gambling with the anvil

[opal mural]

Upside is big on hammer-dependent weapons like blades and Nergal for example

Downside is big on blades too but it's whatever, just hit

[stiff hawk]

if you get dancing knives on blades you will lose out on backstab damage

[spare sequoia]

gambling is fun

also why does it matter if its not a optimal run thats what makes it fun the risk factors or whatever

[opal mural]

Also Fields keepsake is kind of a free slot anyway

[stiff hawk]

also, what if you get something actually amazing, it will prevent you from getting the same thing from a real hammer, and then the keepsake will run out, and it's a lose/lose, no?

[spare sequoia]

isnt that why u would use last round

[opal mural]

It will not run out if you take it Oceanus onwards (and don't take extra rooms) or Olympus onwards

[ember falcon]

I think im missing selene

[ember falcon]

Im 1 run away of being able to do dissolution of time 😭

[stiff hawk]

I think the required gods are: Zeus, Hera, Poseidon, Demeter, Apollo, Aphrodite, Hephaestus, Hestia, Hermes, Chaos
at least that's what the wiki says

[vivid flare]

Reasonably certain that Artemis is also required

[hazy dragon]

yo does romantic spark work on typhon?

[tidal moss]

Yes

[rustic hinge]

censor that 😭

[swift path]

spoiler

[hybrid gale]

Guys pls I need to know
I have beaten the ||2 final bosses multiple times || and need || darkness || but can't find out how to get it
So help me pls without spoilers
What to do to get it?

[primal trench]

Chaos room

[hybrid gale]

So just keep entertaining the rooms will eventually trigger it to appear?

[primal trench]

Its a pick up yeah, just like flowers and metals

[hybrid gale]

Ohh ok tnx
Btw I saw that unlike hades 1 his keepsake doesn't say it forces him to appear
So how do I do that?

[dull night]

Tbh charon shop, pray for chaos gate

Beyond that you are at the whims of rng

The best chance of finding chaos is before a boss room, wherein if you play the game you take 10 damage per second for booting it up

[primal trench]

It didnt do that in hades 1 either

I suggest underworld yeah for the charon wells

[dull night]

I swear that chaos boon is a troll

Every 8 encounters means it has the chance to change before the next keepsake room

[primal trench]

Most likely will yeah

Its a good and a bad thing, depend on what you first roll

[winter basin]

That’s gonna be #h1-for-new-players this is a channel for Hades 2

[mossy drift]

oh, mb

[turbid basin]

You can just go underworld, Chaos vent often spawns before Hecate.

[primal trench]

its rng the where, but yes underworld is your best chance, mainly because spark of ixion

[turbid basin]

I actually usually always have a chaos vent spawn in the first few encounters

A weird quirk of mine while playing the game so far.

[primal trench]

i dont usually see chaos in erebus

[hybrid gale]

Guys no spoilers but I just upgraded the grasp to 30 and it says limit
Is it really the limit?

[karmic sable]

Yes

[hybrid gale]

Wait so all of the 2000 psyche I saved is literally for nothing?!?! 😭

[midnight ridge]

for the most part yeah

[tall kernel]

nah you can sell it for kudos

kudos is kinda a spoiler, but you eventually can sell extra materials for vanity stuff... keep playing 😄

[sinful pendant]

how do i get more of the gold book things for material deliveries from the shop?

[tidal moss]

Spend 1000 gold in a run per card

[sinful pendant]

is the card the gold thing that i trade for delivery?

[tall kernel]

yes

[sinful pendant]

okay cool appreciate it

[crisp junco]

Can anyone explain to me what I can do with the Oath of the Unseen ?

[midnight ridge]

make the game more challenging, earn nightmare to upgrade your weapons

[crisp junco]

So mostly for the weapong upgrades then
I suppose that's the only reason for me to use them now ? I just unlocked the oath

[midnight ridge]

yeah pretty much

[zinc quest]

If seeing all content is important to you, there is some dialogue and cosmetic elements of the game tied to it

[midnight ridge]

although the increased challenges can be fun, like rivals especially makes the boss fights new and interesting

you should try to see every level of rivals at least once, imo

[crisp junco]

Thanks everyone

[zinc quest]

I'm constantly amazed by just how much unique dialogue is in the game. I've played since the beginning of early access but I've taken a few breaks. Still finding little nuggets of new dialogue (a lot of it is not particularly consequential but still fun to see)

[crisp junco]

Yeah I checked a few dialogues waiting for the game pass release this game is so peak

[zinc quest]

Did you play the first one as well? Extremely similar structure, though Zagreus plays a bit different from Melinoe

[crisp junco]

Well dont hate me but I havent finished the 1st one yet

I needed the songs from the second game so bad

[zinc quest]

no hate, only love ❤️ Both games are great. The songs from H2 are amazing but Eurydice has some good ones in H1

[bitter zephyr]

is the dash still supposed to be the bottom button on controller(b on switch a on xbox

[midnight ridge]

yeah that's the default. I like having it on right trigger personally

[bitter zephyr]

might have to try that but yea i think its reading my controller with flipped mapping

hex is weird tho dont even know if im gna use it

[crisp junco]

How do I get garlic again ? Kinda need it to sell my fishes

[winter basin]

Check your inventory tab. Should say where every resource can be collected. Garlic is from Ephyra if I’m correct

[bitter zephyr]

What's the better Arachne dress with flames

[winter basin]

Lavender for channel speed

The one that regens magick deactivates during your attack, same as unseen arcana or glamour gain

So it kinda sucks

[bitter zephyr]

Is it permanent? Went w that one luckily

Or only as long as ur armor is up

Not sure if I'm gonna stick with it

[winter basin]

Only as long as you keep armor

[bitter zephyr]

Any boons I should prob run on flames?

Might be more fun than the furu blades lol

Sister*

[fossil condor]

The playstyle of flames really favors fine line and ocean swell

Sworn strike is quite nice here

[polar wraith]

yepppppp. Anything that triggers on omega/omega attack is nuts on flames.

just need the mana regen to sustain it

[pseudo bridge]

How do you get the jeweled pom?

[wintry rivet]

Get to credit

Then bond with a previously ungiftable npc

[pseudo bridge]

Thanks

[vivid flare]

Torches get a lot of benefit from ||Hera||'s boons

Born Gain, Sworn Strike/Flourish, and Fine Line are all boons you want to hit(ch)

[bitter zephyr]

I dont think I'm at that part yet still on the base one

Weirdly reminds me a lot of aegis from the original game

Cleared the game for the first time with it but then never really played it again

Might just tough it out anyway till my first clear atleast even if it's less fun than the sister blades

[vivid flare]

My personal take is that the torches are significantly more fun than the knives

[fossil condor]

Knives are clunky af for me

[left herald]

What do i do with this nightmare stuff that I earn ?

[wintry rivet]

Upgrade your aspect

[winter basin]

You have to unlock the non-Melinoe weapon aspects then you can upgrade them further using nightmare

[bitter zephyr]

Weirdly true

[left herald]

Oh ok I think i know what ur talking about

[bitter zephyr]

I think it might just be me trying to connect the weapons to ones I already know from the og game

[fossil condor]

One of the knives aspects is Chiron bow but… worse.. as if that was possible

I should clarify, worse at ||fear||

[potent quail]

you say this like chiron bow was bad

but yeah pan stinks

[fossil condor]

I personally loved Chiron but it was objectively bad at heat

[potent quail]

oh yeah fair

i dont know much about the "meta" for h1

[bitter zephyr]

am i missing something or how am i meant to know where the reward/rooms are in the third world? genuinely just spent like 3 mins looking for one idk if im missing an obvious way to find them

[solid shale]

-# Pan hate...

[fossil condor]

If you’ve been there a few times you’ll be offered a magical solution at some point that you can implement

…never mind that sometimes the solution is also hard to find

[bitter zephyr]

smh thas annoying

games been suspiciously easy so far so itll probably be some tedious work before then

||gotten to chronos and still havent unlocked the upward area?||

any advice on not missing materials like ores as well?

ik theres the cauldron enchant that helps you out but (acc that may have been what you were talking about) doesnt show half the time

[tidal moss]

We all hate pan dw

[tidal moss]

It shows whenever you clear the last enemy

[fossil condor]

Magic solution eventually

[tidal moss]

Just walk around the room and have a look

[solid shale]

https://tenor.com/view/whos-we-silco-arcane-who-are-you-talking-about-we-gif-23774379

[tidal moss]

There is something dw

[fossil condor]

It’s always there, just easy to miss. Your hint is supposed to be leaves on the ground

[tidal moss]

Anyone whos half decent at the game

[fossil condor]

But half the time I follow them and it’s the leaf path to the exit that I can’t take yet 😭

[tidal moss]

That isn't it lol

[solid shale]

https://tenor.com/view/g-gif-12751142829355784403

[tidal moss]

The ||golden trees|| don't appear till the incantation

[fossil condor]

The leaves are supposed to lead you to the ||tree you activate for the icons||

[fossil condor]

They actually do, and they’re uninteractable, was very confusing for me

[tidal moss]

They don't have that yet tho

[bitter zephyr]

they acc get pretty confusing to me😭 half the time i just end up at the bottom of the mapo

[tidal moss]

Oh wtf

[fossil condor]

And he said he does have it

[tidal moss]

he has the slelene one

[fossil condor]

Ooh

Yeah the material hint shows after you collect the room’s reward

[bitter zephyr]

Should I go with life tax (the restore health for 1% of DMG dealt) or old grudge (20% burst of DMG to final boss)? Just trying to get my first clear

[tidal moss]

Life tax

[bitter zephyr]

Ty hopefully I get it this round

How about exceptional talent (Apollo legendary boon) can't tell if it'd be better or worse for torch since I'm holding down the omega thing anyway

[fossil condor]

As long as your magick gain is solid you’ll be okay

If not you’ll easily run out

[tidal moss]

Don't take it lol

[bitter zephyr]

Yeah was kind of a dud run cuz of that

Couldnt find any of the crazy mana regens

Especially the Hephaestus one I rlly liked that one

[tidal moss]

Hate that one cause u gotta actually get hit

[bitter zephyr]

Fair annoying in boss rooms

Every single one has some kinda downside though

Any best ones for torch?

Cuz you're constantly using it, ivs used both Zeus n Poseidon n those are okay

But Zeus can put u in awkward spots and Poseidon Regens a bit too slow so you never have enough to charge the special

[tidal moss]

born, lucid, and cardio

[bitter zephyr]

||those aren't surface ones right? Not at that point yet. Kind of at a tedious point, very happy to have gotten to chronos in only a couple runs but my progress is lagging behind so much, might just forget ab trying to beat him and just reset runs constantly so I can catch up with resources||

[tidal moss]

Nope, theres only one god lockewd behind surface

[bitter zephyr]

Sry not sure if we're supposed to censor that like w hades

Alr ty I'll look for those

[serene laurel]

||aren't both Hera and Ares on the surface?||

[tidal moss]

||hera isn't anymore, she can appear first run||

[vivid flare]

Life Tax. Old Grudge ||only affects his first phase||

[serene laurel]

||oh, they changed it during EA?||

[bitter zephyr]

Yea definitely felt it and got halfway thru that part, though was already out of death defiances

[tidal moss]

afaik yeah

[bitter zephyr]

Hoping I know now what boons to prioritize

Especially mana Regen ones

I love this game sm feels like I'm playing hades again for the first time but without the clunkiness of learning controls

[vivid flare]

Pretty sure she's still gated behind ||your run after Unraveling a Fateful Bond||

[tidal moss]

I distincly remember her being in the first few euns of a fresh file

[vivid flare]

Are you sure you weren't confusing her and Demeter? I don't see how you possibly could, but I still gotta ask

[tidal moss]

I'm not that much of a bimbo :P

[vivid flare]

Especially since I believe, lore-wise, she's ||the main one who believes Mel might be the one to break the stalemate up top||

[tidal moss]

Defo, and she was at surface when I first played forsure

and then I did some fresh filew runs, and she was showing up

[fossil condor]

The humble born gain

[tidal moss]

Still has a downside

[fossil condor]

Pretty mitigable tho

It’s no passion gain

Or whatever it’s called

[vivid flare]

You mean Glamour Gain?

[fossil condor]

Yeah that one

[vivid flare]

The Origination activator?

[fossil condor]

You will not make me stop hating glamour gain sorry

[vivid flare]

It's a far cry from how it used to be

That one was actually worthless

[dull night]

Im mostly running glamor gain for the passive weak

[nova sapphire]

What would you recommend for fear for the statues! I’m on number 2 for the underworld.

[tidal moss]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzAsMCwwLDYsMCwwLDAsNSwyLDAsMiwwLDYsMCwxLDIsOF0=

Take off wahtever u want

[nova sapphire]

That’s an awesome page Ty!

[tidal moss]

Yep, you can do arcana and everything there as well

[dull night]

Btw frenzy is paradoxically recommended to do early

Since if you get used to it, it becomes free fear

Doing it after the other multipliers will make things more punishing

[daring oriole]

When do i get raki

[dense anchor]

gift him the ||delight|| in the fountain room in erebus

[nova sapphire]

That’s fair I’ll try it!

[coarse sandal]

I'm new to the game and I just wanna ask if there is no checkpoints at all?

[vivid flare]

The only "checkpoints" are that you can quit mid-run and return to that run later after beating a boss. There's no "start from the second region" stuff outside of custom runs

[coarse sandal]

alright tysm

[novel herald]

just curious: ||how do you get used to the enemy's firerate in surface region 3? or is max frenzy a bad idea?||

[vivid flare]

You do it by practicing. And taking DDs. And dying. And eventually dying less

[primal trench]

practice makes perfect

[swift path]

it took me a few tries to get used to || Frenzy 2 ||

[proud pebble]

Just died to ||Chronos|| and need to know why that happened

I was in their second phase btw, and was standing where I needed to

It killed me anyways and I am kinda annoyed since that was pretty much my best run

[vivid flare]

Were you standing ||exactly on the clock face||? The indicator can be a bit hazy

[tidal moss]

Probably were standing too close to the edge

[proud pebble]

Yeah I didn't miss the spot the first two times

[primal trench]

Not much we can know from just what youre saying, would need like a clip, my best guess would be you were somewhat close to the outside of the circle and got clipped

[dull night]

Its a good idea, you just keep at it until base speed is slow motion

I remember chronos' time nuke actually got me because my last run at him was mid-frenzy, so I left the circle much earlier

[proud pebble]

😭

Probably but I had done so well and could have beat him this time only to die to shenanigans

[bitter zephyr]

Are any boons that prime mana worth it on torches?

Like the Hephaestus trusty shield

Cuz I'm basically holding down the attack for every room

[shy zephyr]

yes

just need a good gain boon to keep up with your magick cost

[dull night]

Yes, the prime amount is negligible for some

1 shield per room but prime 30 lol

Thats a steal

[bitter zephyr]

How's Zeus?

[fossil condor]

Unwieldy

[bitter zephyr]

Not sure if I shud replace it soon

[fossil condor]

But it works

[bitter zephyr]

What should I swap it for ideally

[fossil condor]

In terms of raw magick generation Zeus gain is very strong it’s just annoying to have to stop and pick up the thingy

[dull night]

It rly should be an auto like hecuba's mp

[fossil condor]

Apollo gain is really reasonable

[dull night]

Im biased to hep's

[fossil condor]

||Hera|| gain is really effortless to use

[dull night]

Its not the best for magic but if im not getting value it means im playing really well lol

[dull night]

Huh, I thought it was horrible tbh

[fossil condor]

One of the best in most cases

[dull night]

I read it as when you run out of magic you prime it and refill only in the next room

[fossil condor]

Ner

[dull night]

Whats it actually do

[fossil condor]

As soon as you try to spend while not having enough, you refill to max, and prime whatever amount

Can repeat until you’ve primed yourself down to nothing

[dull night]

So its just free mp unless you somehow find a way to hit 0

[bitter zephyr]

Yea for sure I keep forgetting to pick it up

[fossil condor]

Which as long as you have a decent amount to work with, lasts plenty of time

[dull night]

Also rly funny how horrible zeus' scales on level

The gap between fonts just gets shorter

[fossil condor]

I never really find myself waiting on a Zeus gain spawn anyway

[bitter zephyr]

||best boon to get from hades for the chronos fight? Still trying to get my first clear and just found out he also got a second phase idk why that shocked me lol||

Unseen ire and old grudge seem ideal

[dull night]

The remove reinforcements one is pretty good, for first wins its usually recommended

[bitter zephyr]

But idk which

[fossil condor]

Yeah I like reinforcements

[dull night]

Old grudge is kind of a trap

[tidal moss]

Grudge is cheeks, unseen is good

[dull night]

Its a damage on spawn but it has less value than you think

[bitter zephyr]

I got the option between those two and gigaros dash so might as well go with it

[dull night]

Gigaros dash is really good

[fossil condor]

Dash is nice if you’re aggressive

[digital jungle]

^

[dull night]

Its a free damage buff tbh

[digital jungle]

40%? Idr

[dull night]

Also visually I appreciate how precise it is

I know exactly when I tag someone

The cast isnt good tho lol

Its ok but I never really think "I really need a ranged cast for my build rn"

Also life tax is really good insurance

[fossil condor]

The cast isn’t so bad when you’re working on a first clear but it’s risky once you start making things harder for yourself

[bitter zephyr]

||will i always get coins as my second option when im at the final door before chronos (the upside down triangle + triangle thing)? contemplating just going throuhg a couple more to get charons shop if thats even possible||

[bitter zephyr]

id use it if i wasnt playing torches

[fossil condor]

Yeah it wouldn’t be too good for a first torch clear

Since you’ll be playing at enough range to stay safe mostly

[bitter zephyr]

lol i dont do this at all

torches feel like they were made for m+kb

its kind of awkward to dash while holding down attack

you gotta roll your thumb and mash

[fossil condor]

Rebind so it isn’t, dash during torch omega spam is crucial

[bitter zephyr]

ill try that next run yea didnt think ab that

[fossil condor]

You’re able to dash without interrupting the charge

[bitter zephyr]

||btw can you eventually get a charon room before the chronos fight if u keep doing more rooms||

[fossil condor]

Every guardian has a fixed shop right before

[dull night]

You usually wanna walk into final room with full hp and 1.3k coins

[bitter zephyr]

honestly i poured so many hours into the og game with the default dash button (only ever mapped reload)

[fossil condor]

There is no midshop there if that’s what you mean

[bitter zephyr]

wait i cant remember from my old runs but does going into that final room automatically give u a charon room beforehand?

and is the alternate option always gonna be coins cuz ive run into that 3 times scared to do another

[dull night]

Charon is always before guardians

[fossil condor]

Yes it’s always Charon right before, and no it’s not a guaranteed money side room offered alongside it

[bitter zephyr]

nvm i got forced into the final room lol

[fossil condor]

Yeah sometimes there’s no second door at all

[bitter zephyr]

1.1k gold tho so shud be okay

[dull night]

You cant stall it indefinitely but you can get a lot

1.3k is for nightmare

[bitter zephyr]

Ab to go into the final room with 199maxhp for the third time😭

Better off with phase shift night bloom r dark side for the hex?

Kind of forgot to get it

Keep forgetting to hit the button too

[fossil condor]

Bloom is funni since you can revive one of the ||hourglasses and they will heal you instead of him||

[bitter zephyr]

OH WHAT

Gonna have to be careful w using that then

[fossil condor]

Phase does not work ||until an incantation||

[fossil condor]

Wym

By default ||they heal him, but if you revive one of them it will heal you||

[bitter zephyr]

To make sure I time the hex right so I get the healer

And don't spawn some random enemy support

I'm assuming he attacks them?

[fossil condor]

Revives are never targeted I don’t think

If they are they’re tanky as hell I’ve never had a revive die

[dull night]

Its negligible tho sadly

Too easy to break the beam, and 1hp per sec isnt that much

Also revives get silly

I got 2 revived monsters vs ||typhon|| and they nearly matched the damage I did throughout the run

[fossil condor]

Bloom is def a favorite hex of mine, just too many fun uses

[dull night]

Whats bloom again

[fossil condor]

Night bloom, the revive hex we’re literally talking about 😭

[dull night]

Oh yeah its the funniest

I had it with the apollo hera duo boon too

[bitter zephyr]

MY HEART IS THUMPING I GOT HIM THIRD TRY

they really did such a great job with progressing this from the og game damn

[dull night]

Every wep rly is viable

[shy zephyr]

only good if you have high max magick

[bitter zephyr]

Yeah definitely prioritized that

[shy zephyr]

the effectiveness of zeus, demeter and ||hera||'s depends on how much max magick you have

[bitter zephyr]

Probably never touching torches after this run though lol

Still have yet to unlock

||the upper area||

[shy zephyr]

yeah one of the best gods unlocks when you go there

[bitter zephyr]

Any favorite weapons I should mess around with

[fossil condor]

They’re so gooooooood though

[bitter zephyr]

I'm a bit unsure on which to prioritize when I unlock that section

[tidal moss]

She's not a surface unlock anymore

[bitter zephyr]

They're amazing but slightly boring? They play super smooth for sure

[fossil condor]

Your heart thumping betrays that statement

[bitter zephyr]

I was a bit disappointed by the sister blades though I expected them to be more like the fists from the og game

[bitter zephyr]

WELL THE FIGHT WAS REALLY COOL REGARDLESS

I just felt like a coward keeping my distance like that is all lmao

[fossil condor]

Once you rebind dash you can be a lot more aggressive and up close with them

[bitter zephyr]

I'll try that for my next run actually thanks for the reminder

Then I'll get to experimenting with other weapons

[fossil condor]

I use a gamepad so I’m spoiled by easy dashing ig

Idk how a kbm player would even handle allat

[bitter zephyr]

I just connected my Nintendo pro controller to my pc

No hassle learning kb

[fossil condor]

Now put special and cast on shoulder buttons before you learn otherwise

Is my recommendation

[bitter zephyr]

is that universal for all weapons? or just torches

[desert robin]

personally i got zl as spec
zr as atk
a as cast
y as hex

b dash

[fossil condor]

Beneficial for most weapons and doesn’t cause problems for the ones it doesn’t benefit as long as you’re not used to the default

[bitter zephyr]

well itll def get taking used to lol

racked up a lot of hours on my switch with the defaults

only ever swapped the reload button for adamant rail

[fossil condor]

I have special on L cast on R

[bitter zephyr]

should be worthwhile hopefully

[fossil condor]

Everything else default, I put what used to be L on the top face button and what used to be R on the right face button

H1 it was annoying bc I had cast on R for cast loaders but I would have to swap it with reload for rail

Here it’s set and forget

[bitter zephyr]

fair enough

i dont think i ever ran a cast build in the og game

[fossil condor]

||Hera disapproves||

[bitter zephyr]

basically never used it unless i randomly happened to remember in the middle of a boss fight kind of a dummy for that but i got too into speedruns

[bitter zephyr]

I KNOW i never got into that aspect though

or the weapon itself for that matter

even beowulf felt clunky as hell to me

[fossil condor]

Bc you didn’t rebind! 👀

[bitter zephyr]

whoops

[fossil condor]

Default gamepad for those two is just awful since you want to cast and then immediately attack but they’re on the opposite sides

[bitter zephyr]

yuck tho rebinding BUT FINE

i refuse to run cast builds

spam w eris rail for the real ones

[rustic hinge]

there's no hassle at all really, far more on controller

[fossil condor]

Me when I can move diagonally with one thumb and you can’t

[bitter zephyr]

id learn but id hate to lose any skills and stuff i gained from the og game

even tried swapping to a ps5 controller and even that felt way too off for me

[fossil condor]

I play on ps5 so it’s my only option

[bitter zephyr]

is maxing grasp a priority?

[bitter zephyr]

my amazing friend gifted me the game yesterday on steam cuz he wanted to play alongside me

[fossil condor]

It’s been so long since I played h1 on switch that I don’t really miss the buttons being closer. Pro controller buttons are so chunky tho

Hard to slide from one to the other which is crucial for some maneuvers

[bitter zephyr]

i played on switch too but started straight up on the pro controller

[fossil condor]

Abso

I had the hades pro con from the sg store but a month of playing hades and it started drifting soooo bad

[bitter zephyr]

but when i started playing handheld (was travelling and trying to beat fresh file) found that i really liked the joy cons too

[fossil condor]

So bad that I may have Kyled out on it and broke it

[bitter zephyr]

im gonna stick to pro controller though it cramps my hand less

[bitter zephyr]

they have that wtf

im so glad i didnt sell my pro controller

[fossil condor]

Joy con buttons work really well for hades1, you can slide so easy and the buttons are so close

[bitter zephyr]

probably gonna sell my switch when summer starts though i really havent touched it in nearly 2 years

[fossil condor]

Yeah I’ve retired mine

[bitter zephyr]

i remember it getting really annoying using weapons like spear or anythign for button mashing

playing spear i genuinely had to pause the game mid room sometimes cuz my hand would cramp

[fossil condor]

Yeah that was a slight issue

[rustic hinge]

its got more negatives than that one positive i reckon

[bitter zephyr]

Thoughts on running unseen (restore 6 mana every second) or origination(25%+ DMG to foes with two curses)? On torches at the moment

[bitter zephyr]

Movements a lot better but you sacrifice a bit of aim

Though I like having all my shots autoaim basically

[fossil condor]

Orig is meta

Unseen stops working while you channel an omega move, it’s not popular at all

[tidal moss]

Unseen is the second worst arcana and should never be taken

[bitter zephyr]

Kinda sucks but did just realize how amazing the Hestia mana gain is so kind of makes up for that

[fossil condor]

Hestia gain is really comfy

[bitter zephyr]

Definitely less awkward than the Zeus so I got her keepsake

Actually died a couple times in the upper area intentionally to get the keepsakes out the way

Gonna be fun tomorrow

Gn and Ty for the help everyone

[dull night]

What even is the worst

[tidal moss]

Excellence

[dull night]

Wait really?

Is it not a 50% chance of rare boons

[desert robin]

a 50% chance of priming 6 magick for a minimal increase? No thanks

[tidal moss]

For 5 grasp? I wouldn't take it if it was 2 or 3 grasp

Crazy how out of the 5 grasp cards, 2 are some of the best, and 2 are the worst

[dull night]

Thanks

I had no idea it was that negligible tbh

[tidal moss]

Rarity is overrated in most situations, and it only boosts legendary chance by smth like 2.5%

[dull night]

That frees up some grasp at least

[tidal moss]

Please tell me you're at least using origination and furies

[desert robin]

unseen x excellence with no strength or dd is the peak newbie build

[formal gull]

so i just started playing Hades 2, i come from Hades 1 so can someone explain how things work. i've played for about an hour and it's still not making sense. also i am so used to 2 dash baseline do i unlock that at somepoint?

[potent quail]

nope only 1 dash this game, what is not making sense?

you can hold the dash button to sprint

[formal gull]

i worked that out. they nerf some Gods. like Aphro doesn't have weak anymore. and second is there duos in this game?

and how the cast and stuff work

[potent quail]

aphro has weak on her cast, dash, and regen

[potent quail]

you should always be using the cast, it holds enemies in place and there's an arcana card that makes you do a lot more damage to enemies inside the cast

cast boons are also important to apply a curse and other effects, Demeter's can freeze por example

[formal gull]

i've taken a liking to Hastia's cast

it made Hekte look like a game.

[potent quail]

about the omegas, they are alternate versions of each move (attack special cast) they are usually stronger and they use magick

not all weapons are omega-focused, that depends on the aspect

still it's important to grab a mana regen boon if you're using a lot of them

[dull night]

Obviously lol

[potent quail]

about aphro, her core attack/special don't apply weak but they have the biggest % dmg increase so she's still good for some heavy hitting weapons like the axe

[dull night]

But now I have boatman

[dull night]

Also worth noting since its a damage increase and not a damage rider crit damage benefits

[formal gull]

so i've taken a liking to Hestia. so far i've come across a build that got me the furtherest. is Heph on attack, and Apollo on attack plus Hestia on cast latter on.

i don't know if that's any good.

[potent quail]

also yeah there are duos in the game, later you unlock an incantation that lets you see the pre requisites and track them

[dull night]

Its a little unfortunate that the best crit rate wep (mel torches) is kinda mid for a crit build

[potent quail]

depends on the aspect

[dull night]

Low RoF and Mid damage

[formal gull]

i just started playing

[tidal moss]

Apollo heph and hestia have some really good duos together yeah

[dull night]

Heph is my fav secondary god

[potent quail]

apollo attack also doesn't apply curse but has a bigger % than most and increases your range

[dull night]

That apollo range is a game changer for a few aspects

[potent quail]

Heph has defensive boons and his blasts go hard depending on rarity and level

[formal gull]

like ten mitues ago i raged quit because i died by a cheep shot from Syclla

[dull night]

You're going to kill scylla in about 30 seconds once you figure her out

[formal gull]

she confused me at first.

[potent quail]

from multiple people that I've seen play this game Scylla is the first "wall" similar to how Theseus was in the first game

[formal gull]

because i was expecting Lernie.

[dull night]

Their greatest strength is their weakness

3 different entities means triple the damage potential

[potent quail]

it's a different game why would it be the same bosses lol

[formal gull]

i remember the days where i was ready to throw my control at Theseus

[tidal moss]

Just

[dull night]

Tbf theseus is a massive wall

[formal gull]

no like slimer.

[tidal moss]

Throw away every expectation you have from h1

[dull night]

In the region thats another massive wall

[potent quail]

the third region boss is a lot more straightforward

[dull night]

Elysium was always the roughest part of my hades runs

[formal gull]

yea. i'll still play Hades one. like i'm not finished. i just needed a change in pace. i've been grinding the hell out of that game and needed a break. i was getting all the hearts and just did that last night.

[dull night]

Main thing is to position tbh

No more triple dodge in a circle

Dodge through and keep sprinting

Turn on autosprint btw lol

[formal gull]

there's a setting for that?

[dull night]

Yes, hilariously off by default

[tidal moss]

I never turned it on

Oh and make sure you always use your cast in h2

[formal gull]

hot damn. i'll get on that. because i took Poseidon's dash with Aphro attack and was wondering why i was still weaker.

because in hades 1 that was good.

now it's not.

[tidal moss]

Rush boons are more utility in h2, rather than damage

[formal gull]

noted.

[dull night]

Also you want speed

Move speed is more useful in h2 since you only get 1 dash

[tidal moss]

Typically the swift runner arcana is all you need