h2-for-new-players

[desert robin]

funny how i got my first clear before i figured out what a cast is

[livid cradle]

So how is the game for controller? It seems like aiming is more important in this game than in Hades 1

At least I play on keyboard only so I need to rely on auto aim since I don't have mouse

[wintry rivet]

Its ok

[swift path]

yea I noticed the aimming with certain weapons is unique

[wintry rivet]

I am controller player and fine

[tidal moss]

It's personal preference tbh

[tidal moss]

Same

[winter basin]

Controller v Keyboard only really matters on Black Coat since individually aiming the rockets using your mouse is a thing

Also some things like back-away dash attacks can be a bit harder on controller

[peak lily]

when do i unlock the incanctation ||to breathe on the surface||?

[desert robin]

go up there and die a few times
(collect whatever resource you can too)

[peak lily]

ah looks like i need to talk to moros for the second time before i can get the incantation

[stiff hawk]

talk to everyone always after each run, else it will take you much longer to finish the game because you can only talk to them once between runs

[north ridge]

What’s the opinion on ash vs the trader muck in the early game? I always debate at those options and go ash

[cursive roost]

I think I went for more ash at first too because more arcana = more power and defense = go farther on a run = more resources

[hybrid gale]

Yo guys pls give me a yes or no
Is there Any other use for fish other than selling ?
I hoarded a large amount of them.. 😬

[proven gazelle]

nope iirc, i liked to keep 1 of each fish though for funsies

[hybrid gale]

Ohh phew Tnx
U let me breath rn 🙏

[stiff hawk]

the cool thing about Hades 2 is that you can still look at items even after you sell/use them, so no real need to keep them

but yeah, fishing got nerfed in 2, the fish rarity is now randomized (rather than being timing based) and you only get a bit of money, no big rewards

the sturgeon was the true final boss in hades 1 and catching it felt amazing, but now it's just a fun little mini-game that doesn't matter too much

[carmine thicket]

Just got the game , got past the first biome boss.
awesome game so far but I still prefer Hades 1 start to it so far ... let's see

[stiff hawk]

always sprint and cast, the enemies are much faster, you're meant to stop them with casts or run away by sprinting

[carmine thicket]

I played H1 a fair bit so the mechanics are clicking pretty well, no skill transfer issue so far,, just figuring out the builds and enemies

[stiff hawk]

just saying, because H1 didn't have sprinting and binding circles

[carmine thicket]

It had sprinting

the casting was very different indeed

[stiff hawk]

only as a hermes boon and it was super jank

[craggy perch]

Sprinting ≠ dashing

[carmine thicket]

This and I agree

[hybrid gale]

Yo I just did some math and using my golden cards for psyche is the best deal
Am I wrong??

I'm of course meant that if u can buy the other resources with bones

[peak lily]

ya i know, just didnt know the second moros interaction was what kept me from getting the incantation.

[vivid flare]

No, not really

[hybrid gale]

Ohh how come?

[vivid flare]

As in "no, you're not wrong"

I basically always have a Psyche delivery running on my 1.0 file, until I get to 30 Grasp and a maxed Mel Staff

Then, IDK, I'll probably swap it over to Moon Dust because you need that stuff in industrial quantities too

[hybrid gale]

BUT
If I have the bones for it shouldn't I just buy moon dust and order psyche?

[tall kernel]

Pretty sure it’s back to psyche dust end game for decorations since you can’t sell moon dust or nightmare.

[craggy perch]

You can really throw bones wherever, you get a lot from grave thirst and room rewards

[vivid flare]

Especially Grave Thirst

[tall kernel]

Buy your nectar every run.

[vivid flare]

Also a bunch from prophecy completions

[lofty hornet]

Beautiful game, got it last night on the ps5 😊
Easy GOTY 🤩

[rough dirge]

Hera scolded me for choosing Aphrodite first in a "Trial of the Gods" in a PREVIOUS run!!

[stiff hawk]

I always pick Hera first because she's a pain to fight

[still flume]

does anybody know of a video/text guide of the dialogue needed for the Voice and Vanity prophecy

I just saw it pop up and I realised I needed it for a trophy

[shy zephyr]

just keep talking to ||echo and narcissus|| and gift them at every available opportunity

fyi ||echo|| can only be gifted AFTER talking to her, due to how her dialogue works

[still flume]

Okay

[still flume]

ohhhh

[vivid flare]

Yeah, she's petty like that

[still flume]

i was wondering too why i couldnt gift her in the first place

thanks

[tall kernel]

She’s pretty like that ❤️

[spring bear]

Yo

Is there two paths in this game?

Like up and down

[stiff hawk]

yes

4 biomes/bosses each

[storm orchid]

Hey guys so does anyone know when Ares appears? Is he locked behind the boss after big 🦅

[dense anchor]

yes, you have to meet the ||final boss on the surface||

[lethal vault]

But what about the 3. Door at the other side of the Crossroads. ? I expected there will be a 3. Way

[vivid flare]

The door up by ||Eris||?

[lethal vault]

yeah

[vivid flare]

||It's not a route entrance, it's the fishing pier||

[lethal vault]

Ahh ty 🙂

[storm orchid]

Sob

[swift path]

You got this

The more runs you do, the better chance you will have at reaching the end of || surface path ||

[desert robin]

try going around 3rd boss of surface in circles when attacking

[dull night]

On the plus side, think of how cool itd be if you got that far

You couldnt put it on levels or other things, just pure skill

[north ridge]

Does Cerberus sometimes get more challenging or am I regressing?

[tidal moss]

Regressing

[worldly ledge]

Probably means you have a worse build and aren't killing him fast enough. Hades is almost like an MMO in you think about good builds in terms of DPS.

[dry pier]

|| Hercules looks so cool in this game||

[swift path]

|| you mean Heracles but yes he is very cool ||

[spring bear]

PEAKKKK

[coarse dune]

have to pull this on my friends sometimes when they say hercules when we discuss greek mythology

[north ridge]

I think I hit my pin timer ending while he was doing the gigantic one shot aoe and got stuck too far out of position.

[dry pier]

||How do i upgrade my familiars?||

[tidal moss]

Do you have all of them yet?

[dry pier]

I am missing ||kitty cat||

Which was spotted ||on the boat area past Polyphemus||

[tidal moss]

Get her first

[dry pier]

||Eris is actually kinda hard||

[fickle ember]

no

easy

[opal mural]

Among normal bosses Eris is probably in the top half of difficulty

[primal trench]

In my humble opinion, shes in easier end

[opal mural]

Definitely harder than Hecate, Scylla, Cerberus, and Polyphemus for me which already puts her in the top half, then she might even be harder than base Chronos

[primal trench]

I rather her than ||poly||

[silk shale]

Could someone give me a little not-too-spoilery hint on how to survive the surface

[dense anchor]

keep trying and eventually the game will tell you how

[silk shale]

Thanks

[stiff hawk]

no way man, I can no hit regular Eris without much effort, Chronos and even Cerberus are much harder

[turbid basin]

When in doubt, Demeter = Freeze?

Also, technically Eris is the second easiest unless your build counters Cerberus.

[livid cradle]

how does damage scaling work? are different sources additive or multiplicative?

[stiff hawk]

all additive, except for crits, which is why white antler is so strong

[livid cradle]

oh really? dang +dmg% is a lot weaker than I thought

if you have a random aphrodite boon that gives +100%, and then another boon that gives +5% to all or whatever, or +18% to isolated targets from hestia, the fact that those don't multiply means those other boons get a lot weaker

[rustic hinge]

a lot weaker than if it was multiplicative but it's still good

[stiff hawk]

also, damage reduction is multiplicative, e.g. you use Strength (40% dr) and then equip knuckle bones keepsake (10% dr), your dr is actually 44% not 50%

[livid cradle]

yeah damage reduction being multiplicative makes sense

[rustic hinge]

not 46? weird

where does 44 come from

[stiff hawk]

40 x 1.10 (the 10%)

[rustic hinge]

why would it multiply by the 40 and not the 60 though

[livid cradle]

it's not 1-0.6*0.9?

[rustic hinge]

i gotta see the code for this

[stiff hawk]

ugh, I'm bad at math, but I believe it's 44%

[opal mural]

Easiest way would be to test it with mods but I'm too lazy to do it lol

[livid cradle]

hmm 0.4*0.1 would be kinda a weird way to calculate damage reduction, different from other games, but I guess it's possible

[rustic hinge]

easier way is to ask hippo

[stiff hawk]

Prometheus' foresight hits for 100 exactly, take Strength + Knuckle Bones and check it

[shy zephyr]

it's 46%

[exotic tundra]

Am i meant to be following a build? I keep seeing things like Special +105%, then I try to build around specials, but I just never get another option. I read briefly, understand it's about core vs non core slots, but is there some "known" combos for certain weapons i should stick to?

[stiff hawk]

so I guess it's 0.6*0.9, makes sense

[shy zephyr]

with strength you take 60% damage and with knuckle bones you take 90% so combined you take 54% damage

[stiff hawk]

take flat damage boons on fast hitting attacks, percentage based boons on slow heavy hitting attacks, that's the gist of it

[shy zephyr]

slow big attacks prefer to have %boosts on them, fast weak attacks prefer to have on-hit effects such as poseidon, zeus or hestia

[vivid flare]

When in doubt, Blitz will work on basically every weapon

[tall kernel]

high rarity and high pom heph bonks also work on every weapon

[unborn plaza]

0.4 + 0.1 * (1-0.4)

[stiff hawk]

I don't get this

[unborn plaza]

40 percent damage reduction from strength + 10 percent from knuckle bones of the remaining 60

[stiff hawk]

0.6*0.9 is probably what they used, considering there are other DR sources as well (that Charon well item, for one thing)

more importantly though
how does Strength/DR interact with Weak?

[vivid flare]

I believe it's multiplicative like it is with other damage reduction sources

[unborn plaza]

Yeah you can further this formula for other damage reduction sources

[stiff hawk]

in the first game Arthur's aura (40% DR just like Strength) + weak was very tanky, to the point that Hades' swipes (40 dmg) only hit you for like 6 or something
this combo can't be this OP in 2?

[unborn plaza]

If you add weak too it'll be 40 + 6 + (0.3 * 54)

[rough dirge]

Oh, I have to try Poseidon on a quick hitting weapon. Thanks for the tip!

[opal mural]

Poseidon is good on Hidden Skull attack and the three normal coats attack... and that's pretty much it? Maybe flames special too

Pan special if you time travel

[tall kernel]

early game blades feels good with poseidon attack, but then you learn blades aren't all that great

[shy zephyr]

new players channel, hide hidden aspect names

[opal mural]

Yeah idk why I censored Hidden Flames initially but didn't do that for Skull lol

[wise locust]

All damage % reductions are multiplicative, even if you have copies of the same effect doing it like Python Scales

The main exception is that modifier for weakness that is additive with weakness' base -30%

[opal jasper]

i just downloaded the game form the gamepass

i have played hades 1 but im pretty sure hades 2 is probably gonna be like completely different

not gameplay wise but mechanic wise

[tall kernel]

you're not wrong, they made a ton of changes, and it makes the game feel fresh gameplay wise.

[lilac sundial]

Really does feel like playing as a new person

[tall kernel]

As a hades1 vet, I felt like a newb for a while with hades 2

[fossil condor]

That plant spitter mini boss was a hard wall 😔

[livid cradle]

I finally got my first chronos kill

I had to look up how to avoid that instant kill move that chronos has

because it seemed kinda random

[radiant vault]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=972o9MUKBl0

might be helpful for some of ya?

[stiff hawk]

the previous boss (Cerberus) has a very similar attack, whole arena turns red except for the small circle you need to run to
it's pretty intuitive

[desert robin]

if you have python scales
Upgraded weak
Strength
And god mode
Tough gain
Do you just take 0 dmg?

[fossil condor]

Probably quite close to it, DR is all multiplicative

Not sure if the flat from tough gain could lower incoming to 0 or not

[tall kernel]

pretty sure there is a minimum damage for certain things. Not sure I've watched a run that pushed damage reduction

[desert robin]

it should in theory

[tall kernel]

https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/1r4ti8j/whats_the_max_damage_reduction_you_can_in_theory/

[mossy sluice]

Aren't there runs where you do nothing against the final boss and you win like revenge only builds with damage reduction, a boat load of health and DDs?

I remember watching one in the 1st game

[fickle ruin]

ive finally gotten around to hades 2 i put it off for a while 🥀

apparently i havent played h1 in 8 months so im very rusty

i reached ||chronos|| for the 1st time on my 9th run just now

[fossil condor]

Yall really do not be following the spoiler rules

[vivid flare]

Spoiler tag that

[radiant vault]

||Is it me or is Prometheus just hard as balls sometimes||

[vivid flare]

And yes, ||Jimbo|| is the hardest non-Rivals boss

[fossil condor]

He’s so hard blind

[radiant vault]

||y’all call him jimbo||

[vivid flare]

Because he's voiced by Ben Starr. But most people just call him ||Prom||

You could also call him ||Clive|| if you so desired :3

Actually, someone should make that a mod

[white crypt]

I went in blind after beating ||Chronos|| expecting him to be around the same difficulty and got folded into next week

[vivid flare]

Even when you generally know what he does, he still kicks your head in a good chunk of the time

[fossil condor]

||surface|| also a spoiler

[proven gazelle]

yeah hes a rough one, especially since even though they made him bigger in EA so we could actually tell whats going on its still rough sometimes

[fossil condor]

Literally

[radiant vault]

||I should learn how to optimise my surface runs because I keep dying either close or at Tiffany||

[fossil condor]

I’ve gotten better at the flow though after beating him quite a few times. It feels like a dance almost tbh

[proven gazelle]

you kinda have to get a rhythm down since he attacks very predictably just it can get really hard to see

[tidal moss]

Well why don't you have breakfast at ||tiffany's|| instead

[white crypt]

||That freaking bird that I hate||

[fossil condor]

||eris|| was a huge wall at first but she’s very generous with the openings

[dull night]

Whatd yall recommend upgrading to improve early longevity

[fossil condor]

Get Death arcana and ||level it up to max|| was the key to me winning my first time

Centaur and Persistence are pretty strong too

[tidal moss]

death and origination

[dull night]

So death is defiances, whats origination

[shy zephyr]

deal extra damage to enemies that have two olympian curses

[fossil condor]

Orig was my last pick

[shy zephyr]

it's one of the strongest cards

[fossil condor]

I went boatman for my first 5 so I can reroll (more) stuff

[shy zephyr]

boatman is also very good

[dull night]

How many runs did it take yall to win your first

[fossil condor]

Orig is spicy I just didn’t prioritize it because it’s sweaty and I’d rather not sweat until I’ve finished “wasting” choices on prophecy chases and etc

And trinket levelling

[fossil condor]

20 but I also am illiterate and wasted two extra nights on going to the ||surface||, and 3 nights on ||chaos trials|| so it could have been sooner

[dull night]

Ngl thats pretty good

[fossil condor]

I was a little sad about it since my latest replay of 1 I was able to win in single digits

But this game has a mechanic that is meant to dissuade that anyway, not that I ever brushed up against it

[shy zephyr]

13ish? my two main barriers were sirens and chronos

[dull night]

Hmm, they that bad?

[shy zephyr]

when you're just starting out yeah

i know the infernal beast is also a big barrier to most people but i didn't have a lot of issues

[proven gazelle]

I think on early EA stuff took me like 4-6?

I was locked tf in tbf

[hybrid gale]

||Guys I need darkness to upgrade my grasp
Without spoilers when or where do I find it?
Already beaten |chronos |and |typhon| multiple times||

[tidal moss]

Chaos

[hybrid gale]

Ohh ok
U mean trials

[tidal moss]

No, normal chaos

[hybrid gale]

Ohh interest..
OK I'll be looking out for it
Tnx🙏👍

[winter basin]

||Darkness counts as the “flora” of the chaos area||

[hybrid gale]

Ohh that good to know
I'll probably run into it in later runs
Like simply trying to get it to appear right?

[ebon python]

Idk if i just suck but im night 20 and haven’t beaten Oceanus

Is this normal?

[wintry rivet]

Maybe

[winter basin]

Honestly the skill range of players is way too big to for me to say what is “normal”

I mean my first clear if you subtract going to ||surface|| was like 10-15 runs but I also got hard carried by Toula DD and stuff

But I had also previously played H1 and other similar games

[wintry rivet]

Like a lot of casual player that don't have experience probably took 50+ run for their first win

[winter basin]

I’ve seen it before yeah

[hybrid gale]

Don't get discouraged by your deaths
It's just an opportunity to learn the enemy pattern and change the builds you're using

[winter basin]

But really like the “average” if I really had to pin one down would maybe be like 30 runs if you just don’t get a solid build

But TBF Oceanus is like the hardest region in UW for new players

Sirens is rough and the rooms are very cramped

[wintry rivet]

Smash that cast button more for better result

[winter basin]

Oceanus is the most like Tartarus if you ever played Hades 1

[ebon python]

It’s my first rouge like

[winter basin]

Just traps and bum-rush enemies everywhere

Then that will definitely do it

[wintry rivet]

Then that is pretty normal

[winter basin]

Your understanding of build design and stuff is gonna be a lot lower than somebody who has played several roguelikes

[wintry rivet]

Without prior experience a lot of new thing need get used to

[ebon python]

Thank god I thought it was the norm to clear in 10-15 after reading the chats 😭

[winter basin]

So don’t beat yourself up about it it’s a process

10-15 with prior experience is standard but not anything to base yourself on

Like I’m literally playing Hades 1 right now and this game is WAY easier than it ever was since I have over 350 hours of H2 and multiple other “skill-games” since last I played H1

Hades 1 I had like 4-8 clears or something in around 30 runs

[wintry rivet]

You just keep unlocking progressions and suddenly your experience and higher stats will being you to next stage

[winter basin]

Which again is not standard

I see people take over 70 runs or even over 100 to ever beat Hades 1 and I applaud those people for their resilience

[wintry rivet]

It is not that hard when you kinda progressing story even when dying

Hades 1 is my first roguelike too

[winter basin]

Ah yes we back in Ass-phodel

This place was truly hell

[wintry rivet]

Dying doesn't feel punishing make me keep playing

[winter basin]

Just slippery enemies everywhere

At least I'm playing talos fists

Oh boy barge of death how I missed you not

[opal mural]

Ah yes the original Clanger enemy

[dull night]

Dying isnt rly supposed to be punishing

You get your build off the ground in a few minutes, older roguelikes had you go through a lot of time or a lot of tedium before the actual fun part

[livid loom]

Is there a way to change my screen display in hades 2 i can barely see what's in the edge of the screen

[tidal moss]

You mean the resolution?

[livid loom]

No i mean the size of the screen

[tidal moss]

Buy a bigger monitor?

[livid loom]

I wanna know if i can change the display because my screen isn't new but my Xbox treats it like one so the edges of the screen are not viewable

[tidal moss]

You need to change the resolution then in settings

[livid loom]

If only i had money

[livid loom]

Ill try

Didn't work

[livid swift]

first time running upper and got to top of olympus. Got my face smashed in by the minotaur-thing monstrosity miniboss

how do I even avoid his attacks? Does staying at a long distance help?

It feels like he can charge me from beyond my screen

Is there some mechanic in that fight I need to use? Terrain etc?

[opal mural]

He has 3 moves: swipe-swipe-slam, turn and charge/kick, and charge into a wall with 2 annulus shockwaves

I find it easier to stay close to him (particularly, dashing behind him) and react to the moves, because if you stay too far you won't be able to react to the charge/kick attack

For swipe-swipe-slam, best thing to do for me is to time the dash through the swipes and slam, the shockwave for the slam is deceptively big so that's the one time I want to get away from him

[stiff hawk]

the big guy that bullrushes you? he stops for a half sec before actually headbutting you, just dash through him

[livid swift]

I was using torches and I feel like staying near him is a death sentence

[opal mural]

Here's a clip of the fight from Lee Reamsnyder aka unexplainedbacn

https://imgur.com/a/hades-2-more-like-yawn-of-typhon-amiright-qRFIydy

[livid swift]

how is his map so empty o.o

[opal mural]

Important thing to learn in this game is that dashing through attacks rather than just running away is often more effective

[livid swift]

mine had a lot of buildings clogging up the map

[opal mural]

The Spawn destroys the rocks when he charges into them and causes the annulus shockwaves

[livid swift]

oh i just saw, he kept it at the spawn point

looks like the key is not to panic and time those dashes well 👀

thanks for the help!

[opal mural]

Yeah it can be counterintuitive to learn that you have to dash into attacks, still scares me a lot

[stiff hawk]

well it's like Dark Souls, you dodge into attacks because you have i-frames

[livid swift]

hmm yeah bossfights like prometheus have their attacks much more telegraphed and slower so its easier to dodge through them even on a first run

this dude starts the fight instantly ramming me, got me way too jumpy with my dashes after

[stiff hawk]

the ramming move punishes dodging too early because he stalls for a sec before actually headbutting

[cursive roost]

truee the boss could well do a instant-180 headbutt

[spring bear]

Guys how do I get copper?

[idle haven]

I'm trying to use the weapon rack in both games, but there is something I don't understand about the second game. If the silver pool allows me to buy weapons, would it not be easier to simply have the option to select the weapon from the pool itself, rather than having to poke around the room, looking for the correct weapon?

[tidal moss]

||ephrya||

[spring bear]

Who…?

[tidal moss]

Used to be like that, but it takes all of a second when you learn the weapon positions

[tidal moss]

||fiirst surface region||

[spring bear]

Oh I have to go the up path?

[tidal moss]

Yes

[spring bear]

Thank you :D

[spring bear]

Is the up path harder than the down path?

[tidal moss]

Yep

[idle haven]

I suppose. Even as a blind person, I managed to find the one I was looking for just by poking around.

[tidal moss]

Ah yeah, I remember you

[spring bear]

Are you blind?

[idle haven]

I've been completely blind all my life, and I've been playing video games since before I can remember. Games like this have such small hub areas that I can learn them, but things would be a lot easier if I didn't need to. For example, when trying to choose my favorite weapon, I would often Start the mission by mistake. So, I learned to not go too far to the bottom of the screen, and finally, chose my weapon. And from now on, I won't interact until I get close to the bottom.

[spring bear]

Wow

[spring bear]

That’s seriously impressive

Have you won any games of hades 2 yet?

[idle haven]

I haven't even gotten to the first boss. I think I'm so focused on attacking that I forget I have both a dash and a binding spell. What's truly impressive is the sound design. When I actually remember to dodge, enemies, without exception, have very well telegraph attacks beforehand. Even the projectiles make sounds when they are thrown my way, and I can dodge them.

[primal trench]

wouldve been good feedback for early access

[tidal moss]

Cast slows down projectiles too, always try to have it down

[spring bear]

Does cast have a sound que when it disappears?

[tall kernel]

Do game developers design games with blind people in mind?

[primal trench]

omega does

[tidal moss]

Idk I never play with sound

[primal trench]

not really

blind or deaf at most

colorblind*

[spring bear]

Colourblind yes

[idle haven]

Yes. Both the cast and projectiles have a sound when they dissipate.

[spring bear]

How long have you been playing the game for

[primal trench]

is hard to make a game cathering to blind people, especially action games

[idle haven]

A few days.

[spring bear]

That’s pretty impressive 🤔

[primal trench]

you have my respect tho, this game is hard af with all my senses, so i couldnt imagine not being able to see

[idle haven]

Yep, I have unlocked the sister blades and the ax. The ax is the perfect weapon for my play style.

[spring bear]

Have you every getton a freinf to help you see where things are?

[spring bear]

Makes sense, I would try and get the torches however it requires 2 first boss clears there my fav so far

[tidal moss]

There is something that would be perfect for them but would be almost impossible to get

[primal trench]

what is'

[idle haven]

In games like this, I only ask for help when I needed to turn on God mode. For more open world games, if I need help with finishing the story, I would need help with that, and I would do the grinding. For games like Hades, I would ask for as little help as possible.

[primal trench]

impressive

[spring bear]

What is it?

[tidal moss]

||aspect of supay||

[spring bear]

That makes sense, kinda (VERY kinda) how I really dislike searching up guides for things and only do it if required for me

[spring bear]

Oh god that requires beating the game first of all does it not?

To unlock aspects

Idk that’s what it is in hades 1

[primal trench]

no

[spring bear]

Oh what is it then?

[tidal moss]

No, but it does for ||hidden aspects||

Because of the material required for aspect upgrades

[spring bear]

Oh 🤔

I got to ||chronos|| yesterday but he merked me 😭

[tidal moss]

Spoilers lmao

[spring bear]

Oh sorry mb

How do I do the spoiler tag again?

[tidal moss]

||

[primal trench]

you could also / spoiler

[spring bear]

Thanks

Fixed it 👍

[north ridge]

My run is saved right at him! First time want to lock in!

[tidal moss]

Why would you use save states

[spring bear]

I think he means he’s on a run right before the boss idk tho

[north ridge]

Just closed the game right before him, not a save state but the runs existence

[tidal moss]

Ah ok

[stiff hawk]

he what?

[cursive roost]

[per wiktionary] Alternative spelling of murk (“to murder”).

[stiff hawk]

guess I learned something new

[jaunty mason]

I’ve gotten to ||Chronos|| i think 3 or 4 times now and every time he beats my ass ||during his 2nd phase|| 🥀

[primal trench]

keep at it

[tall kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/you-can-gif-27326947

[jaunty mason]

Honestly i will say one reason i love these games so much is i can feel myself getting better every time

I believe in myself 🙏

[primal trench]

welcome to roguelikes

[jaunty mason]

Haha yeah Hades is my first and only experience with roguelikes

Man I’ve just been absolutely adoring Hades 2. It’s like everything i liked about the first game it does even better somehow

[dull night]

Hecate folded me in half

[livid cradle]

is it just me or the surface route significantly harder than the underworld route

[tall kernel]

nah, it's harder

[primal trench]

it is, on purpose

by the time you get there you already have a bunch of upgrades under your belt, it cant be the same as below

[shy zephyr]

yeah, enemies have inflated damage numbers because melinoe is still bound to the underworld and is weaker on the surface

the upside is that ephyra throws tons of boons at you so you can also deal significantly more damage than in underworld

[primal trench]

and not just ephyra, theres more ways to acquire boons in general, you end up a lot stronger

[livid cradle]

how do you end up stronger? I feel like it's the same number of boons and such

unless there's some kinda mechanic I'm not understanding

[primal trench]

the ||hermes shrines||

[livid cradle]

ok I don't think I have that unlocked yet

[primal trench]

get to playing

[livid cradle]

ephyra is just 5 boons right? about the same as the other ones

[primal trench]

not quite

erebus gets you 2 to 3 not counting shops

[shy zephyr]

the average number you get in erebus is usually 3 or 4

[primal trench]

yeah around that

[shy zephyr]

ephyra also has the double heart room and you're nearly guaranteed to have a hammer

[primal trench]

so 5 rooms with pylons, with the othert 2 before, thats 7 guaranteed golden laurel, erebus could never

and yeah thats not counting what i mentioned above that you havent unlocked

[livid cradle]

Hmm I see

The damage does feel really high, and the boss patterns feel harder

[primal trench]

they are

but so are you

also the side rooms might get you some extra goodies, even better if you have artificer

[livid cradle]

Yeah I was thinking that since I already had a bunch of upgrades, I should have been cruising through, but I didn't, so I thought maybe I was bad

[primal trench]

maybe you are, but yeah the zone is harder

[livid cradle]

I think the overall enemies aren't too much worse, although the zone 3 enemies are pretty tough, but the boss fights are all significantly more difficult

like it feels like each boss fight is about one zone higher in terms of difficulty

so zone 1 surface boss = zone 2 underworld, zone 2 surface = zone 3 underworld, etc.

[primal trench]

id argue the enemies are scarier than the bosses

[opal mural]

Yeah same

[livid cradle]

the wardens are also pretty tough on the surface

[opal mural]

I fear that I can lose a DD in every single encounter in surface

[primal trench]

yeah

[opal mural]

That fear does not exist in the underworld outside of the small potential of crazy cramped rooms in Oceanus and Tartarus full of armored enemies

[livid cradle]

hmm it seems like there's no invincibility on hit

so you can just get destroyed by several attacks in a row all doing damage

I don't think hades 1 was like that

[stiff hawk]

Hades 1 had a "hell mode" which removed i-frames
but Hades 2 is like this by default

[polar laurel]

Hades 2 makes you pretty squishy but on the bright side the enemies tend to be much easier

[proven gazelle]

h1 and h2 have the same system in place, you get the iframes after a large enough hit taken or multiple hits taken, h1 hell mode removes that mechanic but its still present in both games

h2 might be less generous with it because you cant just faceroll like zag could and they want you to be more deliberate but it still there

[polar laurel]

Mostly plays a role in bosses

[sudden kiln]

Surface Wardens with armored perks are scarier than bosses

[tall kernel]

If you say so

[tall kernel]

Ouch

[vivid flare]

I mean, Hellifish with Fangs perks sounds like actual misery

[tall kernel]

He said surface wardens.

Also, which perk in particular?

[vivid flare]

Even then, Mega-Dracon and Yargonaut also sound miserable with perks

[vivid flare]

Root, the smoke cloud, the size increase, really any of them, there's not a single one that doesn't do something to the fight to make it worse

[tall kernel]

Yargonaut I agree is a pain. Mega dracon not bad.

On my 20 fear fun runs, fangs adds a little fun without making it too bad

[fossil condor]

Or those obnoxious automatons that spin crazy fast

I have had my health bar DELETED by those before after a poorly timed dash

They’re fun to night bloom tho

[north ridge]

Update, killed in ||phase 2 by the gigantic aoe one shot||

[primal trench]

live and learn

[fossil condor]

When you say death to chronos and ||he hits you with the uno reverse||

[north ridge]

Is there a resource difference between ||going up or down||? I’m desperate for more arcana points

[fossil condor]

Drastically different gatherables

[vivid flare]

||Every region has its own resources to get||

[fossil condor]

Bones and ash roughly equivalent

[vivid flare]

Psyche, too

[fossil condor]

I could have probably progressed faster if I actually spent my bones on anything other than limited deals

But I think it was wiser not to, since ash and psyche inevitably accrue

[vivid flare]

I've personally been dumping all my bones on moon dust

[north ridge]

I’m dumping mine in psyche now, feels like the best way to get power going

[craggy perch]

Id honestly say psyche > moon dust > fabric > ash

Since moon dust is basically useless if you can't use the right arcana cards

[vivid flare]

I have a Charon delivery running around the clock for Psyche

[livid cradle]

wow I made it to region 4 of the surface route for the first time, and I faced the first warden, who destroyed me

prometheus was hard enough, but that warden was on a different level

I guess for now I'll try to avoid the region 4 wardens if I can make it back there

[stiff hawk]

you can't, it's 2 regular encounters, mini-boss, 2 more regular encounters, another miniboss, then the shop + the actual boss

there are 4 different mini-bosses on the summit, you get 2 random ones

[livid cradle]

hmm that seems difficult

[vivid flare]

Two things: First of all, use spoiler tags.
Second of all, you'll very quickly find that the only reason you found ||Spawn or Twins|| harder than ||Prom|| is from a lack of experience, both of those minibosses only have 3 moves

[vivid flare]

And specifically, the first miniboss will always be ||Spawn or Twins|| and the second will always be ||Tail or Eye||

[stiff hawk]

they won't know the names, the summit mini-bosses all show up as ??? until you meet the final boss

[livid cradle]

I wonder if I should be going back and doing underworld runs instead of surface

[vivid flare]

You'll need to win on both routes to finish the story

Believe it's ||5 wins up top and 8 down below|| for the full ending

Plus you still have an unlock to get ||in the Summit||

[stiff hawk]

it's 6 up, 8 down, 14 clears total

[fossil condor]

Isn’t it 9 down

1 for one incant, 7 for the other, and one more to actually finish the task

[stiff hawk]

the incantation needs 7 things then after you make it you need 1 more run, so 8 total
wdym "1 for one incant"?

[fossil condor]

And it should only be 5 up if you’re including the forced failure

[fossil condor]

||The incantation to seal typhon uses one dust from chronos||

||the incantation to seal chronos uses 7 dust||

I just did this yesterday so I know I’m not tripping

[stiff hawk]

okay I checked the wiki, it's actually 9 + 5, I just remember that it's 14 total

8 underworld final boss drops, 4 surface final boss drops, then one more run for each

[fickle ruin]

apparently i stumbled across the greatest build of all time because i just no-diffed ||chronos || for my first kill

[fossil condor]

Good work

What was the build?

Nvm I see you posted in boast

[north ridge]

Doubling the boon levels with ||echo|| on the ||big hammer hits || makes for wild build

[fossil condor]

Chunky dem axe ospecials

Checks out

[north ridge]

Is there a guide of what can roll into what with the dice? Like in hades 1 certain rooms could only go currency instead of boons if I’m remembering right

[vivid flare]

Nectar, Bones, and Ash will only roll into those, all other room rewards are considered major rewards

[fickle ruin]

its so broken 🥀

that was also the run i learned sea star applies to path of stars

which made me basically max it out

[fossil condor]

Yeah I’ve had some fun with sea star

[north ridge]

Are the weapon upgrades fairly comparable or is there some form of tier list?

[dull night]

What god boons are best fot each of the general attacks (light, special, and cast)

[proud pebble]

Uh

Arachne is mad at me in my current run, how I fix?

[dull night]

Punch her

[vivid flare]

As in the Aspect upgrades or the hammers?

[tidal moss]

Depends on the aspect

[dull night]

Lets say im still at base

And using witch staff

[stiff hawk]

https://www.leereamsnyder.com/hades-2-build-guide

[dull night]

Ty

[north ridge]

Aspect

[vivid flare]

Some weapons get more from their upgrades than others

For instance, Momus staff desperately needs every upgrade it can get, as does mom Skull

[north ridge]

Good I thought base mom skull was rough

[vivid flare]

Yeah, each upgrade adds more potential free levels

Moon Coat and Than Axe are also rather important to get upgrades for

[north ridge]

Alright I’ll go for those first. I don’t have a go to weapon yet as I’m just following the free muck

[livid cradle]

Wow the final boss of the surface route has so much health

I had an op build but it still wasn't enough

[tidal moss]

||Did he throw eggs for the second time?||

[livid cradle]

Yeah

[tidal moss]

ok so you got to about 40% health left then

[livid cradle]

I was trying to facetank with big axe damage

And against chronos it would have been enough damage, but I didn't expect that final boss to have that much hp

[tidal moss]

He has about double what ||prom|| does

[lofty hornet]

Pictures aren't allowed to be sent? Wanted to share a funn build 😊

[primal trench]

#h2-victory-boasting

[vivid flare]

You can send pictures if you send it as a link

[coarse dune]

hey with || typhon how many times does he npot have a health bar because i got to him and was doing really well and got to a point where zooz came and lightninged him but he didn't have a health bar and i endud up getting out endurance battled by him|| am i supposed to get the || statue incatation thing that lets the gods help at some point in olympus before i can really get him?||

[wintry rivet]

It always be like that

[coarse dune]

so i just do the fight and i have no way of telling if i make any progress other than godly intervention?

[wintry rivet]

It has phases

[coarse dune]

i did notice that

[wintry rivet]

Basically after 2nd egg phase he is at 40%

[tidal moss]

Once you get to the point where he ||throws eggs for the second time|| he has iirc 40% health left

[coarse dune]

so what your telling me is that this guy has no health bar, AT ALL for the ENTIRITY of the game and you just go off eggs

also do you need to beat || typhon to get dissolution of time incantation? ||

[coarse dune]

i got to the point where he had been knocked down once and then after when he swang his tongue he swung it back way faster

[tidal moss]

Yes

[tidal moss]

Pretty much

[tidal moss]

Yeah ok so about half health

[coarse dune]

i could've done it if i hadn't used 2 DDs to the || eye of typhon || which was my first time fighting it so i had no idea i just took the door coz of the prophecy icon

[tidal moss]

You always have to fight ||2 minibosses on summit||

[coarse dune]

i figured but i would prefer to fight the arm one and maybe the two dudes coz those went pretty well when i did them

[tidal moss]

||Tail and twins||?

[coarse dune]

yes

[primal trench]

The arm?

[coarse dune]

is there much use for ashes after you unlock all the arcana cards?

[tidal moss]

The other two are definetly worse

[primal trench]

Oh the ||tail|| ok

[tidal moss]

Couple of incantations and decorations, nothing major

[coarse dune]

thought so yeah

thanks for the advice, think im going to crack down on getting another 2 underworld clears then go for || typhon || again

[coarse dune]

i love ares boons so much

easy || chronos fight no dds max health ||

[lofty hornet]

@vivid flare @primal trench thank you 😊

[spring bear]

How do you get adamant?

[shy zephyr]

||third region of surface||

take raki for higher chances of finding it

[spring bear]

ahhhhhhh 😭

Surface how the hell do I play surface

[primal trench]

take the surface portal

[dull night]

Finish the other layer first

[tidal moss]

They need adamant tho

[dull night]

Ohhh hm, didnt know that

[exotic tundra]

I legitimately do not understand what you wrote. What is a high pom heph bonk

[tidal moss]

Hephaestus attack or special boons with a large number of poms to reduce the cooldown of the blasts

[exotic tundra]

...im sorry but whats a pom

ive got like 10 hours and beaten it twice i have no idea what that is haha im so sorry

[tidal moss]

The pomegranete you take that increases the levels of your boons

also called a pom of power

[winter basin]

Hephaestus’ Attack, Special, and cast all count as “blasts” for purposes of wording on boons

They activate when hitting or dash close to an enemy and then also strike any enemies nearby the initial target and have a cooldown

Poms and rarity reduce said cooldown all the way down to 2 seconds (1.5 with seismic servo) from 12, 14 and 10 seconds for each accordingly

Rarity gives 2 seconds on Attack/Special and 1 second on Dash, Poms give 1 second (2 seconds for the first Pom) for all of them

[desert robin]

does anyone have a recording of a trip 1.5 secs heph boon with anvil ring and the heph blast x2 boon
Im curious to see what it looks like

[tall kernel]

Thanks for the assist fam

[livid cradle]

how does wound work?

the tooltip is confusingly worded

[primal trench]

You do extra dmg, apply wound, wound is the cooldown before you can do extra dmg again

[livid cradle]

so does the enemy have wound?

because it's a curse, but it's a curse that has no effect?

which hit does the extra damage? the hit applying wound, or the next hit on a target with wound?

[primal trench]

Whatever applies the wound does the extra damage

And yes wound on its own does nothing, you needd extra boons for it

[fossil condor]

Nothing other than the extra damage

And counting as a curse

[livid cradle]

so basically, the way wound works is that the hit applying wound does extra damage, and then whatever received the wound cannot get that extra damage bonus again until 3 seconds later?

it seems like a weak curse if it's only 50 damage every 3 secs

although I guess since it's modifying base damage, 50 extra damage on base power can be strong since it gets modified by all the other % modifiers

[proud pebble]

I got to Chronos finally! Got past his first phase and died in the second! But I did it with the ax and a ton of hephestus buffs

[primal trench]

The god been considered one of the weakest ones yes. That said tho, again you can enhance wound with boons

[vivid flare]

It's 50 base damage, and is affected by all other damage modifiers, including the damage increase on the Boon itself

[livid cradle]

what do you mean damage increase on the boon itself?

[primal trench]

The boon increases you damage by % on all attacks, the wound damage is extra on top of it

[vivid flare]

I mean how Vicious Strike, for instance, increases your attack damage by 40% and applies Wounds.

The +50 from the Wounds application is also boosted by that 40%

[primal trench]

Wound is an extra effect on top of the % dmg increase. Think of it like demeter, it increases your damage, AND it applies freeze

[vivid flare]

To provide another example, the Furies Arcana would also boost that base 50 by 30% if you apply Wounds in your Cast

It's not as bad as you think, though it plays poorly with Vow of Wards until your second application

[wise locust]

wrong

wait, well, hang on, are we talking about the power increase?

because wounds also does a weird thing specifically with the two olympian only bonuses

[forest ingot]

unrelated to the current topic but, is aspect of melinoe on typhon just. dumb since you cant hit his back ? or is there like a certain region of his hitbox that works for it

[wise locust]

regular specials can, and thus trick knives does

[proven gazelle]

You can you have to be like as far under his chin and facing towards the rest of the arena or smth iirc 😭

[wise locust]

and trick knives is like, the only hammer for blades

[forest ingot]

oo so it’d have to be like

uber specific build lol

i just had a killer run against chronos with them so i wanted to see if i could make it work on olympus before i remembered. he’s off the edge of the arena 😭

well thank yall

[coarse dune]

first || typhon clear no dds at all either so coolness ||

[stiff hawk]

play with Strength if you don't use DD's, you deal +20% (global) damage

[coarse dune]

i would but im not that confident i run the dds as insurance just in case, i just happened to lock in or get very lucky

[stiff hawk]

you take 40% less damage with Strength, which is very tanky, it makes the game much easier until very high fear (vow of scars mainly)

[coarse dune]

you really take 40 less? i just kinda skipped it in favour of the lives. still gonna do that but its nice to be informed

[stiff hawk]

yeah it's like God Mode, very strong, everyone's using it

[coarse dune]

still not gonna but thanks for telling me about it

[proud pebble]

Gotta say why is || Chronos || the easist boss in game?

None of that boss's attacks are surprising

[dense anchor]

turn on vow of ||rivals||

[wise locust]

He got a lot of tweaks throughout EA to make him more readable

his actual moveset hasn't changed much, but the telegraphs got adjusted a bit

(In particular, the boomerang attack used to have a very similar startup animation to his slash attack)

[fossil condor]

That move is a pain

[wise locust]

nothing on the phase 3 version

once you get used to the tell and the way it moves it's actually just free damage normally

since it's got a huge deadzone in front of him

(Remember, it always goes..... clockwise)

[turbid basin]

It says something that the ||scythe slash|| does more damage to me than the ||clock-wise rotation||

[turbid basin]

Is that one of the Arcana? I'm interested in switching if the 40% is true.

If I'm not already somehow using it that is.

[tidal moss]

Yep

[tidal moss]

If you've had dd's on at all, from any source, it won't be active

[wise locust]

You take Death or Strength in your arcana as a matter of build choice, it's just silly not to, unless you're playing on literal max fear.

[iron swallow]

why is my pickaxe missing?

[primal trench]

Skelly stole it

[iron swallow]

for real?

how do i get it back

[stiff hawk]

ask him nicely

[iron swallow]

it just says salute

[wise locust]

Whuh?

Gathering tools as a selectable item have been removed months ago

[primal trench]

i was kidding, i dont know why is missing

[wise locust]

maybe even over a year

[primal trench]

oh right they dont even show up anymore lmfao

[iron swallow]

oh

[wise locust]

You just always have them now

[iron swallow]

ok thank, i only got the game yesterday

[iron swallow]

is there no way to look at my inventory?

[shy zephyr]

press i

for your build, press b

[iron swallow]

ty

[vivid flare]

I was, yes

[olive void]

I just started playing today, was only able to play for about an hour before work, but I fear I may be obsessed already 😅

[forest ingot]

i was obsessed two steps into the game when i saw the picture of the family

[raven condor]

Do i lose keepsake after use?

[winter basin]

Depending on the keepsake some expire and some don’t. Some also last indefinitely or for a certain time after changing to another keepsake

What keepsake is in question?

[raven condor]

Onion

[winter basin]

Uhhh not that I’m aware of since I basically never use it and when I do I use it fully

[proven gazelle]

If you remove it even with hp left on it you lose that extra hp yes

[potent quail]

iirc if any keepsake says "this night" it means its effect still persists even when you change keepsakes

[proven gazelle]

The only keepsakes you dont lose from switching off of is whim stuff, fig, silver wheel, bell, and maybe another one or 2 im missing

[vivid flare]

Embryo is another one

And the cards from Pig also stick around

[potent quail]

yea if it has a certain number of encounters it also sticks with you until that number of encounter ends (hammer embryo)

[raven condor]

That was very wise words ty

[livid cradle]

alright I finally beat the surface for the first time

[raven condor]

What is you doing here I havent beat fricking scylla

[livid cradle]

I think I'm still new since I haven't beaten the story yet

I cleared underworld 5 times and surface 1 time

[raven condor]

They Need to make h2-for-brandnew-players

[tall kernel]

what do you think this channel is ?

Do you just feel bad about being new, or did you feel spoiled just now? Maybe they should've spoiled what they said

[raven condor]

🧊🧊🧊

Im 4 hours in so i am just consuming all info a can get from you PROFESSINALS

[shy zephyr]

it's a roguelike, it's more fun if you get information yourself through trial and error

that is until you decide to do challenge runs

[raven condor]

Yeah youre right

This is just a really helpful community

[sudden kiln]

You get to be a professional too when you die enough times

[jovial falcon]

Can anyone help me real quick?

[vivid flare]

What do you need help with?

[tidal moss]

Yes?

[dense anchor]

one rule of the internet is to never ask to ask

[winter basin]

Easiest way to be ignored is to ask if you can get help rather than just asking a question. A.k.a. "ask to ask"

[coral delta]

agh

i shrimply clam not beat Chronos

[tidal moss]

You want some help?

[coral delta]

yeah how do i avoid his infinite damage pulse on phase 2

[winter basin]

||Stand in the circle||

That’s it

Tunnel vision ||made you not realize the circle that isn’t red||

||Or that during the black instakill it’s a donut||

[worldly pulsar]

you can also dash

[winter basin]

I-frame is an actual option but obviously very risky

Forgot this is new player chat and we don’t give new players free info

We let them die to Chronos it’s a necessary canon event

[vivid flare]

||Then it becomes another canon event in the Rivals version||

[opal mural]

Charge at him right after the instakill for max dps potential I promise 🤪

[fallow quarry]

I definitely did my first time… mainly cause I was on one side and the safe zone was off the screen.

[desert robin]

i was used to there being only one instakill
So i lost a DD to that during the ||dissolution of time|| fight

[opal mural]

Oh does that fight change P2 too? I can't remember

[desert robin]

and my first try vs ||r chronos also lost a dd that way||
Maybe im wrong
But i remember very vividly that i fell for it

Its a canon event

everyone experiences it

[tidal moss]

Yeah it does

[fair swift]

guys im only about 20 nights in and ive already beaten ||chronos|| 3 times and ||typhon|| once, im I feel like i still should be pretty early on in the game since I was ablecto play tboi for like 300+ hours but idk i havent unlocked any new actual content in a while since ||familiars|| and idk ig im js confused there is more to the game right?? I mean besides ||officially killing chronos ofc||

[stiff hawk]

you need to beat ||Chronos|| 9x, ||Typhon|| 5x to roll the credits

then there's also an epilogue ending after that

[primal trench]

This game isnt tboi

Not nearly as much content in terms of gameplay, they expand in other areas like story

If youre not into the story the game might feel kinda flat for you after a few runs, especially coming from tboi

[shy zephyr]

if you just casually play the game there's not nearly as much content as isaac, at some point you have to get into either speedrunning or high fear runs

[stiff hawk]

tbf, there are 24 weapon aspects to unlock

those do provide a lot of variety

[primal trench]

It has variety but definitely not as much compared to Isaac

Thats the big deal here. What isaac lacks in story, it makes it for it in replayability. Hades goes for a more well rounded route focusing other aspects of the game

Yeah theres still plenty of game here, but dont think you gonna much mileage compared to the other

[sudden kiln]

Hades can be a good idea to relax After TBOI runs

[primal trench]

🤣

[vivid flare]

True, unlike in Isaac, you're not likely to get a completely dead run

[river oak]

How core are casts to the game, I have defeated chronos and almost killed Typhon without using it all, since I found it pain to use early. Is it worth trying to get used to them?

[tidal moss]

Incredibly useful

Especially once you start using fear

[river oak]

Rarify is really not intuitive btw

It would be nice if they added a longer explanation to it

[tidal moss]

wdym

[river oak]

I am not even sure how exactly it works and thats the problem I guess, I know that the 3 star version upgrades common to rare and then upgrades it one up from there so I think rare to epic, epic to heroic, not sure about uncommon so how much it upgrades is inconsistent which is said nowhere, for a really long time I thought the star 3 upgrade is gonna allow you to upgrade common to epic and thought it was a bug, I am also not sure how the lower star versions work? I now get that they only allow rare to turn into epic but do they still turn common into rare or just uncommon?

[tidal moss]

huh? the star/hex system is different to rarity

Not even sure what you're confused about

[river oak]

their tiers or whatever I called them that whats shows it ingame

[tidal moss]

Boons go from common-rare-epic-heroic, and get more powerful at each rarity

[vivid flare]

Like, the keepsake ranks?

[river oak]

Oh wait there is no uncommon in the game, damm I kinda did not notice that

[tidal moss]

No

[vivid flare]

There also wasn't one in the first game

Anyways, in 20 minutes I disappear

[river oak]

I am just more used to other rarity systems, I have played 1 really long ago

Nevermind then I guess

[vivid flare]

Yeah, the green rarity is reserved for something much more important: Duos

[tidal moss]

AAnd orange for legendaries

Pink for infusions

[vivid flare]

But as for god keepsake rank-ups:
Rank 1 can only turn commons into Rares
Rank 2 can do what Rank 1 does, and also turn Rares into Epics
Rank 3 can rarify any non-Duo or Legendary from that god

[stiff hawk]

you're not meant to charge the cast, you just tap the button to drop it and it does damage, a lot of it, and enemies can't walk over (or out of) the binding circle

and you also deal +30% global damage to the enemies inside casts with the Furies arcana

suffice to say, using casts will pretty much double your damage and safety

[river oak]

Oh, yeah I was trying to charge it, so that was the problem

[stiff hawk]

that's what I thought, idk why so many people try to charge it

[river oak]

I feel like that just the intuitive thing to do and there is the messenger arcana which is made for it, so I just assumed thats the intended use and decided I dont like that.

[shy zephyr]

base cast doesn't do damage unless you have a cast boon btw

[vivid flare]

Because it doesn't do damage at base, therefore it must be bad without charging it :3

[shy zephyr]

the main use is trapping enemies

[river oak]

Yeah, but why would I trap them if I can just kill them in the same time without risking damage by not staggering them

[shy zephyr]

because they can be too fast and too many

you can't stagger armored enemies

but you can trap them

wailers in erebus and pinheads in oceanus can be difficult to handle without casting

[river oak]

That was never really a problem for me since I use umbral flames which has a lot of good aoe options, I will try to start using it but without vows it never felt necessary

[vivid flare]

The Furies Arcana

[raven condor]

Why have i lost my weapons
Some kind of autosave?

[vivid flare]

What region are you in?

[wise locust]

Wailers are basically the tutorial enemy to teach players to use casts to slow enemies

[raven condor]

Europe igs

[stiff hawk]

lol

[primal trench]

and yet they never learn

[stiff hawk]

they were asking about the biomes

[primal trench]

that message sent me bro xD

[raven condor]

Ahh hehe 😬

Oceania or what its called

Im trying to beat scylla

[primal trench]

oceanus

[ebon python]

How do I unlock more keepsakes? I’ve given a nectar of the gods to everyone I’ve come across and I’ve still got hella empty slots

Is there another region of the game were I meet more characters

[primal trench]

you gotta come across other people, yes

[stiff hawk]

gift characters at the hub, also NPC's in each region etc

[ebon python]

Npc?

[stiff hawk]

there are two paths, down and up

[primal trench]

the dudes in each region, arachne narcissus, etc

[stiff hawk]

yeah, like Arachne the spider

[ebon python]

Ohh aight

[primal trench]

if you see the gift option, gift them nectar

[stiff hawk]

always buy a nectar after each run

[primal trench]

you can also see in the codex who you havent gifted

shown as hearts

if they have a heart, you gifted them

[vivid flare]

Well yes, the game is set in and below Greece

[raven condor]

Alright buddy

[ebon python]

How do I get more shadow and darkness items to level up my grasp to 30?

I just got to 29

[craggy perch]

Shadow extraction can be brewed at the cauldron, under the tab alchemy (I think?)

Darkness is gained by visiting chaos, where it has a chance to spawn just like other herbs

[ebon python]

Thanks legend 🫡

[winter basin]

Yeah darkness counts as the “flora” of that area

And as such will still have a chance to give you an air element when collected

[silent wind]

Are Lucky tooth and White antler, permanet?
like, if I do a region with them, the bonus stays?

[potent quail]

nope

[silent wind]

The chaos one has you keep the Chaos boon, right?

[silent wind]

I lose the DD if I unequip Tooth?

[potent quail]

yes

[silent wind]

TY

[potent quail]

and antler specifically only lasts 1 region, even if you don't change it, it doesn't give you CRIT forever

[silent wind]

So a good combo would be Chaos + Charon + Hecate + Tooth?
So I get a Boon, the Gold, Mana, and then the DD

[potent quail]

Not really

the chaos boon only lasts the number of encounters remaining when you change it (if I'm not going crazy)

now in terms of good strategies, usually it's good to start with a god keepsake

[silent wind]

I didnt beat Chrono yet
Almost

[potent quail]

and then you can switch for keepsakes to help you in other aspects as you need. knucklebones against a specific boss, sash maybe for armor, hecate and Charon can be useful too

Tooth last makes sense as well, engraved pin is an alternative too and it's also really good

[silent wind]

I believe I just kept the Chaos boon after unequipping his thing

[potent quail]

oh yeah

i forgot it works like that

[silent wind]

Any idea how Scorch works?
So basically I have to hit the enemy a lot with it?
Unlike say the thunder effect, or the forging dude effect

[rustic hinge]

scorch does 100 dps, each stack is 1 damage

doesnt crit but is affected by global % buffs

[midnight ridge]

yeah you'll want to try to build up scorch continuously, it's not usually a "one big burst of scorch at a time" thing. you'll want to be able to apply a lot of scorch and then get her boon "pyro technique" so that you can make the most of the scorch you're building up

pyro technique won't help as much if you're not stacking up very much in the first place

[silent wind]

I read the definition over n over, and I dont get it
Why does it say "35" in the boon selection, but "100" in the description?

[rustic hinge]

the attack applies 35 scorch, but deals 100 dps

so 35 damage over .35 seconds

[silent wind]

Wait let me reread that 3 times

Oh
And it stacks?

Its basically Poison kinda

[midnight ridge]

yeah, it's damage over time

[silent wind]

Is Evil eye, or Lucky tooth, more "META"?🤔
Vs Chronos

[midnight ridge]

I usually would go with survivability (tooth). maybe damage could be better if your build is lacking and you already are decently confident in your survivability/your skill at dodging?

[proven gazelle]

Pin/fang/antler is meta picks

[silent wind]

Antler😳

[proven gazelle]

Pin for safety, fang if you arent confident for antler, and antler is best if you play well enough

[vivid flare]

You are going crazy, it lasts for the rest of the run

[potent quail]

yeah my bad

[vivid flare]

Evil Eye is in the bottom 2 keepsakes

[silent wind]

Im shocked
I guess because it requires you to mark the enemy first?
And it not working vs anything else

[potent quail]

yeah

[silent wind]

I must check tier lists😅
There might be in Youtube

[vivid flare]

Correct, and the mark resets when you die to anything else

And there are 2 routes, so you might not even be on the route with the marked enemy

[silent wind]

Why is the Pin so liked?
The enemy can just enter an immunity phase, in the 10s 🤷‍♂️

hence wasted

[potent quail]

10seconds of full invul is very strong

[silent wind]

And Knucke bone doesnt actually increase your dmg I guess

[potent quail]

knucklebones is meta only for one specific boss

but you don't have all keepsakes yet so...

[vivid flare]

Because it resets every room

[silent wind]

I just beat Chronos👍 💪
Now I will go to the surface

[silent wind]

WDYM?

[vivid flare]

Pin's invulnerability period and potential DD isn't a one-time use

It's once every room

[silent wind]

I see

[vivid flare]

I assume you now see why it's considered one of the strongest off that alone?

So you can, for instance, deliberately trigger it to heal

[silent wind]

allright

[tidal moss]

https://imgur.com/a/cZbykqA

[covert kestrel]

Why i talk with medea all day but i cant open my hidden aspect skul?

I have 2 aspect skull lv 5

[tidal moss]

Bad luck, also spoiler

[stiff hawk]

you need Medea lv 5 + Persephone lv 1 or vice versa, default aspect doesn't matter

[covert kestrel]

I have meadea and melinoe lv 5

[stiff hawk]

unlock Persephone

[covert kestrel]

Well need persephone to unlock hel?

[tidal moss]

Yes

[stiff hawk]

someone should fix the wiki because everyone is unlocking one aspect then wondering why NPC's don't give waking phrases

the requirements are: unlock both non-default aspects, max out either, talk to the NPC named after one of them

[tidal moss]

I'm suprised it hasn't happened yet

[ebon python]

How can I get N-mare to upgrade my weapons

[tidal moss]

From the testaments

[median pike]

Aspect of supay kinda op ngl
I underestimated it

Vampire Survivor type ah build lol

[tidal moss]

Tell that to the 67 runners

[median pike]

I mean I haven't really used it on high fear
But just did a run for the bearing dark gifts prophecy
I thought I wouldn't even be able to clear

Now only 8 more aspects to do runs with for finally fulfilling bearing dark gifts prophecy
The only achivement I have left

[tidal moss]

Worst aspect if you have no boons but otherwise pretty good

[median pike]

Yeah without boons it is really bad

I was also surprised with morrigan
It's bas attack is really good

Don't know abt the blood trial though I don't use it kuch

[tidal moss]

You should be playing to activate it

Special, dash attack, oattack

[median pike]

I mean I was just grinding out runs and had to do a run with morrigan lol
Didn't bother much as I loved the attack speed

[tidal moss]

Yeah it's super strong either way

[median pike]

The double fast slices are so good for room clears and even bosses

Might try high fear with it
My fav is circe though most of my runs are with it

[tidal moss]

Circe my beloved

[median pike]

Double cast goes insane at times

And the familiar beam ofcourse (forgot the name)

[tidal moss]

Psychic leash

[median pike]

Yeah that
A solid cast build with high level blade rift
Casting the cast on the boss close to your familiar deals hell a lot of damage

• if you add in psychic leash aswell

[coarse dune]

yo what does the little circle next to the dds with the infinity symbol mean?

[tidal moss]

Spoilers, and you get ||infinite dd's in the ending fight with diet rivals chronos||

[coarse dune]

mb i no know about the spoil

[coarse dune]

i assumed as much but i wasn't sure || and its cool how you get infinite but it would be cooler to throw everyone in the deep end and get them killed ||

[tidal moss]

Yeah but the noobs wouldn't be too happy would they 😂

[coarse dune]

not at all but thats half of what makes it funny

beat main story

thirty hours give or take

[tidal moss]

Now the real game starts

[coarse dune]

gotta find || the fates ||

[modern tulip]

Does the queen card also applies to other 0 card

It says activate no more than 2 cards that yse the same amount of hand sign

Does that include the other 0 hand card or nah

[vivid flare]

It's only counting the ones you manually activate

So the other 0-cost cards like Fates, Centaur, Divinity, Judgement, and Moon can all be active alongside Queen

[modern tulip]

Thanks

[coarse dune]

joining in with artemis' singing is the best mechanic this game has prove me wrong

[primal trench]

Bath scenes

[coarse dune]

wrong

[primal trench]

Youre wrong

[ebon python]

Hey so if I pick the 'black night banishment’ boon from the pig witch that removes the affects of one of my vows does that lower my fear?

[tidal moss]

No

[coarse dune]

you're wrong

[primal trench]

Nuh uh

[coarse dune]

yuh huh

[split current]

yuh huh

[primal trench]

🥸

[spring bear]

How do I dodge the attack on ||chronos phase 2 where one number on the clock goes up and it does 999 damage||

[shy zephyr]

||stand on the clock number that goes up, that's the safe zone||

[spring bear]

THANK YOU SO MUCH

IVE DIED TO THAT 3 TIMES NOW 😭

[midnight ridge]

the whole arena will be covered in red with yellow lines that all are moving toward the correct circle, so even if its off screen you can pay attention to where the "lines" are moving to. if that explanation makes sense

[winter basin]

Tunnel vision hurts

[spring bear]

Hank you I beat the game once now :D

Also now ||how do I survive on the surface I die so quickly cos of the birthright thing killing me||

Nvm I think I just unlocked it

Yeah I did 🔥

Wait but ||how do I get thalamus?||

[midnight ridge]

go inside a chaos gate next time you can, they will give you the seeds to grow it!

[spring bear]

Thank you :D

[tribal remnant]

how the hell am i supposed to fight ||prometheus ||

[shy zephyr]

||https://youtu.be/iDfSTMw9qsI||

watch this

[tribal remnant]

thanks

[silent wind]

Oh my god🤦‍♂️
What to do into Eris?😥
~~Who even thought of this boss? He needs to be fired. Its by no means a skill issue from my part😡 ~~ /j
Tips?
Thanks in advance

It feels like I just have to farm a lot for her, to the point where I win by sheer huge amount numbers of stats?🤔 🤷‍♂️
No skill involved?

Since her attacks have wide AoEs in long cones

[sudden marten]

From my experience running really close and constantly dashing to stay behind her is a good strat

[silent wind]

Behind her, okay

[stiff hawk]

what, Eris is one of the easiest bosses in the game

she takes a while to take aim and has very bad tracking

just hug her back

[silent wind]

Well, guess what😡
I hope you ||have a nice day and smth good happens to you soon IRL, hugs . It worked !!!😍 🔥 ||

[silent wind]

Yes, I realized the tracking is slow

[primal trench]

backshots

[proud hearth]

It can be tricky to figure out but once you figure out her patters and hitboxs she can be really simple

I find to her side back is the best spot to get damage and stay mostly safe

[fickle ruin]

zamnn|| prometheus|| is so fun its too bad ||eris|| used up both of my dd's, i wouldve won otherwise i had him at like 20%

[primal trench]

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-thumbnail-does-he-know-he-doesnt-know-gif-27552850

[tidal moss]

I don't think he knows

[fickle ruin]

the ||kick projectile|| thing was rough it does 40 damage and i tanked like 3 of them

[vivid flare]

I would like to draw your attention to the following: ||Prometheus is the third region's boss||

[jaunty dove]

guys this may sound stupid.. but how can we restore our health. I'm new to this game

[primal trench]

https://tenor.com/view/you-don't-invincible-omni-man-jk-simmons-that's-the-neat-thing-gif-4390372980992221432

[wintry rivet]

You drink water

[primal trench]

Jokes aside theres not like a dedicated healing button, some upgrades heal, theres a fountain room that can randomly appear after unlocked

Theres a specific hex from selene that can heal you, but it doesnt always get offered

[wintry rivet]

Selene bath water

[primal trench]

The most reliable way to heal is not taking dmg

After every boss theres a guaranteed fountain, idk why I mention it since you literally cant skip it

[vivid flare]

Healing is deliberately very limited. There's shop items that are healing, but your main source of it is mostly going to be from the fountain after you beat a boss

[fickle ruin]

Yeah ik, I didn't mean the run

[desert robin]

Wayward son arcana card

its good consistent healing for no scars

[dull night]

Its a yesnt thing im ngl

The selene skill for hp 3 times a region has some crazy upgrades

I got mine to heal 5 times between fountains for 75hp and regen it for a few seconds

Its just by far the most mediocre looking one at start

[primal trench]

Right but youre not guaranteed to see it

[dull night]

Yeah, most healing is a coinflip

Tbh the biggest source of effective hp ive found is damage negation

Hep is kinda obscene with it

[primal trench]

The best source of healing is dodging

[dull night]

Cant heal if you arent hurt

But ngl hep damage reduction is kinda crazy

-2 damage seems mediocre till you realize its -2 from every hit you'll take for the run

[primal trench]

If mana isnt a concern, yeah tough gain its nice take

[dull night]

Also that 15 armor per room thing is 15 free hp per fight, with a side of shield gate

Tbh hep primes arent even too costly

Theyre like 40-70 usyally

Its not free but its smtn you can cushion

Meanwhile athena prime skills dock 150

[tidal moss]

Still an ass hex

[dull night]

Tough gain is also kinda funny in that if you lock in too well you dont get mana regen

[dull night]

Its good for casual runs

But at base its garbage

[midnight ridge]

moon water carried my first few dozen runs

[polar wraith]

moon water is so good if you use moon beam keepsake to guarantee more upgrade points.

Once you get the ||olympian flavored|| upgrades ||you just need to pick poseidon|| and youll have a guaranteed good upgrade in the tree. On top of there usually being atleast 1-2 really good rares.

like the recover all damage taken in the last 2 seconds.
invulnerable for 1 sec
uses stack per fountain

[midnight ridge]

yeah I would always start with Selene keepsake as well

[coarse dune]

yo the || jewelled pom is kinda crazy ||

[dull night]

That per fountain thing reflects immediately btw

So its even crazier

I walked up to the final boss with 5 shot glasses worth of 75hp heals + regen

It just looks atrocious at 0 upgrades

[coarse dune]

moon water is either the most useless hex or the most game saving

[tidal moss]

Yeah but what if I don't use magic and/or don't take enough damage (it also doesn't work through scars 3)

[tidal moss]

Hexes in general are just noob traps outside of the utility ones

[polar wraith]

the vast vast vast majority of players never play above 32 fear

even if you use 0 mana, there's plenty of ways to make it tick down for free. The moon arcana card, ticks down for 5 at fully upgraded. And theres usually 2-5 of the tick down per second in the upgrade tree as well.

If you dont take damage clearly you are just winning anyway and it wouldnt matter which hex you take lol.

yes technically all defensive options are worthless if your build kills everything instantly or you are able to dodge everything. But thats not the case for 99% of players and 90% of runs

[tidal moss]

I'm not one of those players, and I stand by my opinion, even if you are one of those players, there are better ways to heal and deal damage without relying on hexes

[unborn plaza]

Hexes bad? #h2-victory-boasting message

[polar wraith]

Hexes are kinda mid in general sure.

but a fully upgraded moon water can provide 110+any damage you taken in the last 2 second health per use

and you can easily get 5-7 uses per fountain, which is atleast per region

thats 500 hp per region

[unborn plaza]

They let you win with Shiva

[tidal moss]

I take 50 damage total in a normal run,maybe 150 if I decide to facetank, healing from other sources is plenty

But i'm not having this debate again

[tidal moss]

Sure

[unborn plaza]

If you're playing high fear surface, a good hex (twilight curse, wolf howl, total eclipse, night bloom) can make the run way easier. Moon water is pretty good until you turn on scars

[dull night]

Hexes are definitely worse than calls, but usually 1 hex + 4 upgrade points give good value

Its still a free resource

[primal trench]

Hexes are worse than calls because they are weapon dependant, period

Idk why discord replied to that

Im sorry

[dull night]

A zag call woulda gone hard

[coarse dune]

real

[dull night]

"Brother!"

"Sister!"

[hybrid gale]

Guys I'm having issues with the aim with the umbral flames
They won't target the enemy I want
Is there a way to change or modify that?

[tidal moss]

Nope

[shy zephyr]

yeah torches are hard to aim with controller

[tall kernel]

never had much of an issue with flames... not sure if I just don't care which it's aiming for, I make due anyway

[ornate bramble]

how much more content does hades 2 have compared to hades 1? i have hades 1 and i like the story a lot. combat is cool too but i feel like it gets very repetitive very fast and the runs can feel the same and gets a little boring at times. i was wondering if the sequel is a lot better than the first and if it has enough content for 24 bucks

[shy zephyr]

h2 has much more content

around x2

[tidal moss]

More than double, more variety too

[deep kelp]

I lowkey bought h2 because i saw a scythe weapon

[ornate bramble]

idk, in hades 1 i feel like the gameplay loop doesnt change that much unless u change ur weapon each run. it gets kinda boring running the same weapon twice in a row cuz the boons dont change how u wanna play in the same way weapons do

and i wanna make sure hades 2 is different in that aspect cuz the price bump is huge compared to the first game, hades 2 is 24 euros and hades 1 is only 6

[tidal moss]

In hades 2, each weapon has essentially 2 movesets

[tidal moss]

100% worth it, and they've reduced the price of h1

[deep kelp]

Yeah, i have felt that before but i try to focus on the lore and give myself goals to avoid that

[deep kelp]

If h2 is double content im sure its worth it

[stiff hawk]

in Hades 2 there are two paths, up and down, each has 4 biomes and 4 bosses
also the mini-bosses are much better this time around