h2-for-new-players

[austere ridge]

You can get away with ignoring it a lot of the time! Especially while you're just learning

It's just another tool in your arsenal

[scarlet saddle]

But it makes attacks more powerful right? Also what are those card things I saw at the weapon area? Arcana

I think that us the name

Reminds me of Tarot

[austere ridge]

Arcana are this game's equivalent of Hades 1's mirror

[wintry rivet]

Arcana is mirror

[austere ridge]

Super important, prioritise upgrading them

[scarlet saddle]

Oooh

[scarlet saddle]

But I see it needs certain items. Do I need to beat enemies for it?

[wary night]

it makes attacks different
like, the staff attack is a mid-range fast combo, whereas the Ω attack is a stronger but slower long range AoE ability
sometimes using the Ω version is worse because it takes longer

[austere ridge]

And yes, magic makes your attacks more powerful, but also takes time to charge up. A lot of the time you'll have time for a regular attack but not an omega (magic) attack

[scarlet saddle]

I prefer the mirror tbh. At least just 1 resource. It seems those cards need multiple. Also what is that pot at the first area?

[scarlet saddle]

Oooh ok

[austere ridge]

Yes, you'll find all items eventually. Some are boss drops, so don't be surprised if you don't encounter them for a long time

[wary night]

I wouldn't make a snap judgement this early tbh!
overall the arcana cards are a lot more flexible, and (unlike the mirror) they don't use a resource anything else wants. you aren't choosing between unlocking new cards and new weapons, ever. imo the cards are a pretty direct improvement, they're just less linear so there's more to learn

[scarlet saddle]

Nice. Also about aspects. It is similar to Hades where the first and last boss drops them? Also about the bosses. I see there are a lot T_T

[scarlet saddle]

Oooh

[scarlet saddle]

I unlocked the top left and the one on it's right

I really did not know how that thing works 😕

[wary night]

the hades 2 version of titan's blood is only used for upgrades, not unlocks!
how to gather it is similar to hades 1 but a bit distinct, it'll be clear once you unlock it. unlocking aspects uses different resources

[scarlet saddle]

T_T

[austere ridge]

There are a lot! But that helps with replayability, at least in my opinion. For weapon aspects, I can't remember the exact unlock conditions. Most of them are just tied to game progress (keep playing and it will happen eventually)

[wary night]

I'd recommend working your way downwards from the second card you unlocked (top row #2)
the one below that is +max hp, and the one below that is your first death defiance

[scarlet saddle]

Thx. Tbh I saw a lot of bosses T_T. Hades had around 7 right?

[austere ridge]

Minibosses or actual bosses?

[scarlet saddle]

Actual

[wary night]

to be clear also I'd say this is a good thing, you get to unlock every aspect without spending your harder to get upgrade material, so you never unlock an aspect then wish you'd just used the material to upgrade one you like better ^^

[wary night]

||there's the same number per run||

[scarlet saddle]

Oooh

[scarlet saddle]

Ok

[austere ridge]

Full runs also take about the same time as they did in Hades 1

[wintry rivet]

Well some aspect need nightmares too so...

[wary night]

isn't it a grand total of 1?

[wintry rivet]

Either 1 or 2 not really remember which

[wary night]

||iirc it's just shiva||

[scarlet saddle]

Nightmares??

[wary night]

= titan's blood equivalent

[scarlet saddle]

Lmao ||the name is my culture's god|| which aspect is it?

[scarlet saddle]

Interesting resource name

[wary night]

used specifically to ||upgrade aspects which aren't the base aspect of Mel, and unlock aspect of Shiva, which is the hidden aspect of the last weapon you unlock|| whoops edited for clarity
||aspect of Mel gets upgraded with really common materials instead||

[wary night]

you probably haven't seen the weapon it's an aspect of yet, it's the 6th weapon

[scarlet saddle]

Oh. I only see 4 weapons with 2 hidden

[wary night]

||there are the same total number of weapons and aspects as Hades 1||

[scarlet saddle]

Thx. So ||Mel and the others use different materials unlike hades where all uses Titan's blood. At least this way i dont have to prioritise certain aspects. The thing is, it may make it a bit harder to get those aspects early on huh?||

[austere ridge]

ok so this will be subjective but it feels like they unlock faster

[scarlet saddle]

||noticed it. Does the weapons have a similar mechanic to Hades's dark thirst?||

[scarlet saddle]

Oh ok

[wary night]

it kinda depends, I think by the time you can unlock aspects (unless you're so cracked at the game you speed through it super fast) it's usually easy to work towards unlocking multiple things at once...? whereas hades 1 had a hard "X titan's blood per run" limit

[wary night]

yes they do! very similar

[scarlet saddle]

||this is nice. Although I hope all weapons work like the spear than the bow at Hades 1. I never managed to complete a run with it||

[scarlet saddle]

||Wait so I can get the sane materials more than one at a run cause hades gave 2 blood every run and heat.....speaking of heat is there a Pact of Punishmentcas well||

[austere ridge]

there is

[wary night]

there is an equivalent to that hades 1 thing yes
||and a lot of the stuff used to unlock aspects isn't a boss or enemy drop at all, so you can gather varying amounts every run and work towards multiple unlocks at the same time||

[austere ridge]

Like with the ||Pact of Punishment||, you'll need to progress the story to unlock it

[scarlet saddle]

||I am confused so if it is not an enemy or boss item. How to get it? Is it like fron quests? Or the fated list? Wait the fated list is there right?||

[scarlet saddle]

||like beat chronos once right? He is the final boss correct?||

||SORRY if I am being too annoying or anything. I rather hear it from you guys than the Internet. Even then I am kinda confused||

[wary night]

||gatherable resources, like the stuff you use for incantations and to unlock new weapon types||

[wary night]

||also yes, after beating the final boss once you unlock the equivalent of Heat in hades 1||

[scarlet saddle]

||incantation? Like spells?||

[austere ridge]

yes, I do believe ||beating Chronos once|| was the unlock condition

incantations are what you do at the cauldron in the crossroads

[wary night]

have you interacted with the cauldron at all? you should be able to after run 2 or 3, idr

[scarlet saddle]

|| OK and where do we fight Typhon? Saw a short about a fight and ugh he looks horrible ||

[scarlet saddle]

first run but it said it was being purified?

[austere ridge]

he's not missable, you WILL ||find Typhon|| eventually as you progress the story

[wary night]

just keep playing and a lot of this stuff will make WAY more sense, it'll unlock after probably 1 more run

[austere ridge]

but i'd rather not spoil that for you

[wary night]

or maybe it's already been unlocked and you just need to interact with it again

[austere ridge]

if in doubt, do a couple more runs. Even failed runs tend to unlock stuff

[scarlet saddle]

Thx

[scarlet saddle]

I don't mind spoilers tbh.

I rather be prepared.

[wary night]

I think at this point some spoilers will be actively confusing, since there are basic mechanics you unlock within the first 5 runs that you haven't yet

[scarlet saddle]

Sure. Hopefully it does not need me to progress to s certain area for things to unlock

[scarlet saddle]

Ouch. Ok

[wary night]

not in a bad way! just like... incantations are not a complicated thing, it'll be easier to understand them by just doing 1 or 2 more runs than having it explained out of context

[austere ridge]

The game is great in terms of not letting you fail or succeed too much.
If you are a returning player about to beat the entire thing on your first try, it has mechanics to hinder you.
If you are a new player and struggling with something, it has mechanics to aid you.

Every failed attempt makes you stronger. That's because with every failed run you still gather resources for unlocks, resources for relationship building, etc.

NPCs also have some dialogue to remind you of impportant mechanics. Don't skip dialogue.

Just do a couple more runs and things will start to make sense

[scarlet saddle]

Np

[scarlet saddle]

Like that so called blessing

[scarlet saddle]

What a good roguelike should

[scarlet saddle]

T_T I usually skip dialogue

[scarlet saddle]

Sure. thx for the tips!

[shy zephyr]

oh that's normal, you'll just repeatedly come here to ask about game mechanics that the npcs will likely have explained to you 20 runs before 👍

[austere ridge]

I struggle to see the point of even playing the game while skipping the story (which is delivered largely through dialogues)
but
BUT
It's your playthrough, not mine.
From a strictly gameplay standpoint, NPCs most likely to have dialogues you NEED for mechanical understanding of the game are ||Hecate, Skelly, and Moros.|| Consider listening to those three

[scarlet saddle]

AHHHHHH

[scarlet saddle]

I don't skip most dialogues. Just when I am running out of time to play. My phone sometimes(most of the time) have problems when I use Steam Link. I can't buy a controller and the PC controls s u c k for me

[scarlet saddle]

Sure

[amber herald]

what are arcana cards? Is it basically a similar system to keepstakes? Is there an equivalent to arcana cards in Hades I?

[shy zephyr]

they're basically your mirror upgrades

[amber herald]

ahh that makes perfect sense thanks

[swift path]

I've died to || Typhon || 3 times 😭

[vivid flare]

You wanna know where the safest part of the arena is?

||Right up against him||

[sonic rock]

Well not if you get absolutely crushed beyond recognition by his mogger of a jawline with a 67 inch circumference

[vivid flare]

Skill issue

Just dodge

[sonic rock]

A new player can't but ofc someone as experienced and professional as us can easily do it

[proven crow]

it’s a telegraphed attack so if you know what to watch for you’ll see when he’s about to smash you and can get out of the way

[dense anchor]

yea the ||red dots|| give you plenty of warning
though I'm just on ||frenzy1||, can't imagine it's much different on ||frenzy2||

[upbeat sedge]

Most bosses cannot do the same attack sequence twice in a row

That helps a bit for the fight people are talking about

[swift path]

Nah i think the best spot is the sides and away from him

His attacks are straight up heavy damage

[iron wren]

I'm having a problem; I can't purify the Lone Shade. Could it be because I changed the buttons for my actions?

[vivid flare]

Trust me on this, between the fact that he ||rarely uses the eye mortar up close, the chin slam being extremely telegraphed and prioritized, and the tongue sweep having a dead zone right up against him, being up in his face is genuinely the safest spot in the arena||

[vivid flare]

Might be, did you unbind the "Compel" buttons?

[oblique verge]

have you talked to the shade a few times first?

[vivid flare]

Are you talking about Lone Shades in general, or ||the Supportive Shade in Cerberus's arena||?

[iron wren]

I'm talking about lone shades of "mini-game"

[vivid flare]

Okay, then back to my first question. Did you unbind the "Compel" buttons?

[iron wren]

I don’t think so

[cyan bobcat]

any tips for ||prometheus|| im struggling hella

[serene laurel]

||I’ve seen a couple prom tutorials online, which I’m sure somebody will link, but a couple questions….

1. Are you running vow of rivals?
2. Do you have all arcana, aspects, keepsakes (before postgame), etc
3. What do you find yourself struggling with?||

[hoary prairie]

Patience is key

[woven agate]

Question for main story prophecy:

||Anyone can tell me the proper steps to do the "melinoe find us" prophecy? I activated moros' keepsake + survived for 3 consecutive chambers in oceanus and then died on the 4th, but then I still ended up in the crossroads? I'm not sure if I understood the instructions correctly?

(I have the extra death defiance arcana card equipped at the same time alongside moros' keepsake, I'm wondering if this is related or not?)||

[woven dirge]

Try weapons that offer some distance from him at first. His attacks usually provide a window for you to dodge them, especially those that will set flames afterwards. He's a gapcloser (he'll jump around you and sometimes dodge your attacks), but you'll learn his patterns.
For ||his special attacks at 66% and 33%% health bar: try to say the safe rows aloud to memorize. I usually go with numbers, like 1 for the top row, 2 for the middle row and 3 for the bottom row. So if he's going to attack the second and third rows, I say 1 and so on||.
Patience. He does a lot of damage and you'll have to get used to that. Try Odysseus' keepsake if you want to stay healthier during the fight. Don't rush it: he's quick. It's not about button smashing into him, it's really about being careful.

[plain shell]

Thank you because I've been struggling with that one as well.

[cyan bobcat]

||Yeah i used medea and it was a breeze ||

[dense nexus]

||Now that I’ve gotten the dialogue, where can I find Hecuba so I can recruit her?||

[tidal moss]

Can't be interrupted with charon or narcissus

[desert silo]

||echo's chamber||

[vivid flare]

Or, even more infuriating, a "Nem cleared the room for you" encounter

[ashen ingot]

@cyan bobcat ||in the first few seconds i would run away from the bird instead of charging straight for boss if you can, the bird practically exists just to eat up your Lovers/Nitro boost hits. imo|| also what the other guy said

[woven crag]

Activate|| moros keepsake 3 consecutive times on consecutive rooms then die on 4th. You can use the chaos trial of doom to do this prophesy.||

[flint lily]

I keep losing to || Rivals Eris ||. I'm using the coat and || keep losing masses of health to the mines. Other weapons can shoot the mines from a distance but coat specials don't seem to target them trying to detonate them with the coat just hits me. Is there a way to clear them with the coat I don't know about? ||

[tidal moss]

Not really, either hope eris hits them, get a ranged cast, or try to dash attack iframe

[flint lily]

Yeah fair enough, boated recommended a damage cast in his guide, I just need to remember to get and use one

[wary night]

even if you don’t have a ranged cast, you can try to drop a damaging cast while she’s aiming then slowly move away so the first bomb lands where your cast is then sets the other ones off

some hexes can also pop them, notably twilight curse which bounces between them if there aren’t enemies iirc

[tidal moss]

Yeah this is what I do

[light shore]

I just listened to a conversation in the crossroads between Hecate and Nemesis where ||Hecate allowed Nemesis to do whatever she wants from now on. Does this change where Nemesis appears? I don’t wanna miss out on opportunities give gifts ||

[main pilot]

Just the underworld. Light spoiler: || She'll never appear on your overworld runs||

[shy zephyr]

if you're playing kbm, put your mouse over the mines and the missiles will hit them regularly, on controller you have to manually aim towards them and pray. another reliable way is to get any damaging cast. another hardcore way is to punch them between their pulses

[amber herald]

Hi what is a "core" boon?

[shy zephyr]

attack, special, cast, dash, gain

[amber herald]

support fire or pressure point from Arty? Running with a mel staff attack build (beginner)

[tidal moss]

Pp

[vivid flare]

Pressure Points is one of her best boons

[twin jetty]

I feel I don't take it that often, I know it's global but I tend to take the attack or special depending on what I'm using

[tribal current]

As much as I love support fire (and I really really do), it is rarely the correct pick

[scenic arrow]

how about support fire AQ

[woven agate]

Yess, got it now, thanks!!

[past sail]

Hi!!!! When should the other gods unlock? I’ve done around 20 nights already and I’ve beaten Chronos twice, but I still only have the same gods in my roster: Hephaestus, Demeter, Aphrodite, Zeus, and Poseidon. Do I need to go to the surface for the others to unlock, or will they eventually appear on their own? I’m honestly getting tired of using the same builds. Is there something specific I need to do to trigger them? Thanks!!

[mild umbra]

you fr haven't seen any of the standard gods but those five?

[proven crow]

doesn’t apollo show up in the underworld fairly early?

[mild umbra]

def yeah

Theres another id be surprised you havent met yet

[vivid flare]

He is literally the first god you will encounter

[mild umbra]

how do you go twenty runs without seeing the goat

[proven crow]

i thought so

[vivid flare]

Like, he is scripted to be your first Olympian you encounter on the first run, like Athena in the first game

[vivid flare]

You should also have Hestia and Apollo as possibilities, and then your remaining regular additions are after story events on the surface

[past sail]

yeah forgot apollo! sorry i never pick him

but i think he was the first

[mild umbra]

poor guy

[past sail]

But what about the other gods? I remember that in the beta they didn’t take this long to appear. Do I have to do something specific to unlock them? Do they only unlock once you go to the surface? To be honest, I haven’t gone to the surface yet because I’m missing the moss. I’m waiting for a mistery seed to give it to me so I can craft the recipe that removes the damage when ascending. Could that be the reason why the other gods aren’t showing up?

[mild umbra]

I honestly have no clue why one isnt showing up, and the rest of the cast is surface related

also fyi, you might still want to give the surface a go soon

Youll see why once you do

[dense anchor]

you unlock ||ares|| after seeing ||typhon|| (final boss) on the surface

[desert silo]

and you unlock ||hera|| after properly unlocking the surface

[past sail]

damn

[past sail]

yeah once i get the moss I want to do the Unraveling a Fateful Bond

[mild umbra]

nono, i mean You Want to give the surface a go now

[past sail]

i only can explore like 5 rooms before dying

[mild umbra]

:doesheknow:

[desert silo]

yeaaa but the surface is the only place you can get moss 💔

[past sail]

i already got 1 from a mistery seed

[desert silo]

How
i thought mystery seeds only gave you greeneries, and moss is a flora 😭

[past sail]

FR??? I thought I got it from a mistery seed, I dont remember grabbing it on the surface, lmaoo and I was just waiting for it to show up, it really felt like it was taking forever

damn i feel reald dumb rn

thank you @desert silo

[desert silo]

even if moss could grow from mystery seeds it would still be way faster to just rush the surface until you find moss than to pray for mystery seed rng lol

[daring frigate]

is moss the only resource you can gather on the surface before the incantation? i know bronze can spawn in those first 5 rooms so i’m curious if it ever shows up prior to the incantation

[sly nova]

id assume u can get it all it just depends on ur luck

[twin jetty]

It does

[wary night]

you can gather anything from region 1 if you're lucky and fast
so moss, bronze, garlic, ephyra fish I suppose

[wintry rivet]

Does curse paused when fishing lol

[wary night]

it should, since timer does...? iirc it pauses while mining too

[wintry rivet]

Gathering is the real solution for underworld curse

Who need incantations

[daring frigate]

fish your way to a curse free existence

[split mango]

what do yall think is the best weapon to use? (except the skull bc i dont got that unlocked yet lol)

[raw crag]

I think it's largely opinion and playstyle, but I'm a big fan of the axe. Hits like a semi, has a wide arc, and if you play it right, it can ruin your enemies quickly

[split mango]

nice nice, im using that one rn lol, but ive really been liking the sister blades

[swift path]

im gonna try using the nunchucks

[split mango]

theres nunchucks???

[raw crag]

No, they're joking

[split mango]

oh okay

[swift path]

idk what its called 😭

[split mango]

my bad im dumb sumtimes

[swift path]

its next to the twin blades

[split mango]

the ones that shoot projectiles?

[raw crag]

The Umbral Flames?

[swift path]

oh yes umbral flames

my bad 😭

[tidal moss]

Torches

Or staff

[flint lily]

@tidal moss @wary night @shy zephyr I just fought || rivals Eris || again at 16 fear, used damage casts to || pop the mines || and killed her without dropping a DD. This was with || Eos not Selene ||, but in principle it should work the same. Thanks for the help!

[tidal moss]

Hell yeah

[amber herald]

chronos how do i deal with the screen-wide one-shot ability?

[tribal current]

||Look for the safe area, it's a small circle somewhere in the arena||

[desert silo]

||assuming you're talking about the one he does at the very start of phase 2, there is a safe spot
it's random exactly where it is, but follow where the red lines are coming from and stand in that circle||

[tribal current]

||The p2 arena is a clock, and at each hour point on the clock are circles. Any circle from about 3 o'clock to 9 o'clock can be safe (that range is a guess, I don't think I've seen safe zones at 10, 11, 1, or 2. Chronos himself is standing at 12o'clock, so there can't be a safe zone there)||

[desert silo]

||it's also possible to tank it with stuff like armor or resistances, though this is not recommended
it's also possible to make him stop the attack entirely if you manage to deal enough damage to him before it goes off, but this is extremely risky and also not recommended unless you're speedrunning lol||

[tribal current]

||I've lost a few runs because I was confident I had the damage to beat the one-shot lolol||

[desert silo]

||armor tanking can be useful if you have (only) the temp armor from lunar ray or total eclipse tho||

||but like. otherwise better to just avoid it||

[tribal current]

||or you only have like 3 armor left anyway||

[desert silo]

ye

[amber herald]

I think I tanked it once using the hermes sprint immunity - I could be wrong

[desert silo]

that tracks, since ||that counts as a resistance and therefore can tank it||

[tidal moss]

It can also be dodged

[swift path]

the || hex beam || is so op

[tidal moss]

Eh

I still die on the hill that hexes are mid

[desert silo]

free damage is mid? crazy

[swift path]

[tidal moss]

They do really low damage at base, and to get them to be good you have to build around and invest in them and it's just worse than investing in a good build most of the time

The have a good high end of damage but the effort required for that is mostly never worth it imo

The only hexes I like taking are wolf howl for i frames and twilight curse to make minibosses easier

And you have to be playing an omega based build

[wary night]

I will say that "click mirrored thrasher + 1 path of stars upgrade to be able to use wolf howl once per phase of a boss fight if not more" is a p valid strategy in my experience
the best utility hexes are cheap af

[wintry rivet]

There is night bloom and there is dark side, averagely hex are mid

[amber herald]

Hi what are some good mel aspects that i can max out early and use to farm ranks for other aspects?

[wintry rivet]

Staff

Realistically, the one you like to play the most

[amber herald]

So the mel staff gains power for its specials as it ranks uo, but all the guides I am seeing are attack builds. How do I build for high rank mel staff?

[tidal moss]

You want good %damage on the special and zeus on the attack

So something like zeus attack hera special or aphro/apollo works well

[vivid flare]

Axe and staff

[vivid flare]

Blitz attack and literally any percentage increase on Special

[upbeat sedge]

surprisingly none of the mel aspects are bad

they're a pretty good baseline for just having something useful maxed out

[desert silo]

mel skull may be my least favorite aspect but even i wouldn't call it bad

[upbeat sedge]

it has a niche

mel torch probably has the least justification for having a niche

but its not weak, just no real reason to play it over the other torches

the other mel aspects all do something specific better than the other aspects

[desert silo]

crit build 😊

[tidal moss]

No Artemis

[desert silo]

just get lucky smh

hm i wonder
could you theoretically have ||artemis, heracles, icarus, athena, and aetos|| all intervene in one run

[tidal moss]

Yes

[desert silo]

incredible

||only one missing is nemesis i think||

[amber herald]

Does testaments only affect surface but not a run to beat Chronos?

Does fear work not like heat from Hades? i.e., do I still get rewards if I repeat certain fear with the same weapon?

[shy zephyr]

it works a little differently

the only reward you get from testaments is nightmare. you have to beat the specified boss, using the specified weapon, running at least the specified amount of fear

and once you get your reward it's done. even if you die later in the run you'll advance the testament

[amber herald]

but where do I find the added boss underneath? in this past run I didnt find them

[shy zephyr]

they're ||on the surface path||

[amber herald]

okay so here in my testament there is this green-ish color hair girl - i assume she is on the surface?

but if i am on fear 2, does it also affect underneath?

[vivid flare]

Also technically Arachne

[tidal moss]

Yes

[tidal moss]

What do you mean

[amber herald]

Does the banner affect my run to beat Chronos at all?

[wary night]

vow of rivals 2 will make the first and second boss of whichever route you take harder, yeah
so the green haired girl (||eris||), and ||scylla and the sirens|| below

[tidal moss]

This makes makes me understand this less

Oh are we talking vor

[wary night]

but if i am on fear 2, does it also affect underneath? = "but if I'm on rivals 2, does it also affect UW?"
is I think the meaning

if it's not rivals, then regardless, all fear will affect both routes equally 👍

[tidal moss]

Ah ok yes

[wary night]

but, to get rewarded for the testament, you need to defeat that specific boss with the right weapon, so you won't be rewarded for going to the underworld

[amber herald]

I mean, do those modifiers in the 4-by-4 grid on the oath affect UW?

[wary night]

yes, all the modifiers affect both regions the same way
rewards for reaching a certain level of fear are tied to specific bosses, though

[amber herald]

oh okay, so the testament bosses can be from both the surface and UW

[light shore]

I feel like there should be a better way to farm nightmare than to pick whatever weapon has Hecate or ||the Cyclops|| as its target and then immediately just die

[proven gazelle]

Uhhh the broker

[light shore]

Yeah but do you earn money faster than beating one boss?

[amber herald]

Is there a way to reroll testaments? or do I have to either finish or die from a run?

[wary night]

you have to actually beat the testament to get a new one, dying doesn't change them

[proven gazelle]

I mean post credits keepsakes exist ||chrolex makes money ez asf to get and debt makes getting the cards basically every other shop||

Plus they arent mutually exclusive

You can chase nightmare from testament and charon delivery at the same time

[wary night]

also if you do this you'll eventually run out of testaments for the region 1 bosses, they aren't infinite
plus idk, may as well multitask. doing a full run with grave thirst for bones means you can buy a nightmare and also gather ingredients for incantations and such

[light shore]

Oh, I didn’t know they ran out

[proven gazelle]

Yeah like eventually you'll have to clear area2-4, just like finish the run 😭 bones for the broker, money spending for charon deliveries, and testaments, I literally maxed basically every weapon without even touching half the testaments cuz of it

[wary night]

I forget the exact number but it's something like "each weapon + boss combo has exactly one testament"

[wintry rivet]

There is 48 total

[light shore]

So that’s 48 then?

Right

[tidal moss]

Yes there are 48 testamensts

[amber herald]

aspect of medea - your attack stays within reach - what does that mean?

[shy zephyr]

you become a bomb

and you explode when you special into enemies

[amber herald]

so bascially i never have to press attack, and just go into packs with my special?

[wary night]

you do have to press your attack

pressing attack "loads" the attack but doesn't set it off
it goes off automatically after a delay (you never want to do this), or instantly if you hit an enemy with a special while the attack is loaded

so the combo is attack+special repeat, mixing in dashes

[shy zephyr]

pressing attack will attach a bomb to you
it will go off either after 3 seconds or when you special into an enemy

[weary crane]

TIL you can || resurrect Jetty or Roxy with Apollo x Hera duo to kill the Siren ||

[raw crag]

There's actually a Steam achievement for doing that with the reviving hex

[scarlet saddle]

Hiya which weapon is best and worst to be used? I just unlocked sister blades

[scarlet saddle]

?really?

[shy zephyr]

all weapons are great

[scarlet saddle]

Oh ok

[desert silo]

every weapon is viable, just pick whichever weapon you're most comfortable with. or whichever weapon has grave thirst active lol

[slim spear]

there is only one bad weapon

i'll leave you to figure out which one that is

[desert silo]

^ lies

[barren gust]

All weapons are viable but personally I like the coat the least. Although I haven’t tried out ||shiva|| yet.

[desert silo]

and the coat's personally my favorite
it all depends on what you're comfy with

[sand void]

I've never played with the aspect of || artemis|| because I don't think I can be bothered with trying to ||parry|| in such a fast paced a game

[slim spear]

indeed

'twas simply meant to be a spanner in the works

[vocal inlet]

how do you get the aspect of nergal for the moonstone axe? ive gotten the aspect of mel to rank 5 and talking to charon doesnt seem to be getting me anywhere

[vivid flare]

Has to be a non-Mel

[vocal inlet]

oh really?

[fresh imp]

the description is a bit misleading ||the parry window is infinite||

||you dont need to time it at all||

||so long as you have omega attack held youre in the parry state||

||i was similarly discouraged until i tried it and its one of my favourites now||

[vivid flare]

Was changed on the full release

[desert silo]

indeed
unlike ||coat's block||, ||artemis's parry|| is infinite as long as you're charging it and have the mana

[shy zephyr]

don't even need mana, you can trigger parry off a dry oattack attempt

[iron wren]

The Enchantment of Faith of Familiar Spirits simply doesn't want to appear for me.
I've already defeated Hecate several times, I've used the shovel, I've used the pickaxe, and I've purified the Lone Shades, I've interacted with the bird a few times in Erebus and the spell doesn't appear.

Am I missing something?

[steel crane]

Hi guys, I need some help on how to start playing (again). I played during the beta, and stopped a few months before the ||cloak (mecha?)|| and ||hidden aspects|| were released. I got all the ||nightmare||, and finished the underworld ||and overworld|| routes enough times to finish the story at the time. So now that my achievements are reset, there is plenty more story to be uncovered, and ||the third and fourth regions of the overworld|| are now playable, should I start a new save file, or do I continue from my old pre-release save?

[shy zephyr]

oh yeah you haven't played in a long ass time, start fresh

[iron wren]

Habemus Familiars!

[hot moon]

how come my grave weapon slot os empty?

[desert silo]

you mean grave thirst is over an empty slot? that means it's on a weapon you haven't unlocked yet
it does that sometimes if you haven't unlocked every weapon, unfortunately

[hot moon]

i see

[thin monolith]

wait do the fates' whim keepsakes not stay in effect when you take them off?

[wintry rivet]

They keep their effect as long as you don't break fate whim

[proven gazelle]

and breaking fates whim specifically is counted as using a boon giving olympian keepsake(so dio, arty, selene are all fine for example) and getting rerolls

[thin monolith]

🤔 ok maybe I did something and forgot that I did

[desert silo]

you most likely took an olympian's keepsake by accident
fyi ||gorgon amulet|| breaks fw

[steel crane]

Is this intended behavior? I don't remember that happening in H1.

[desert silo]

it did in fact also go on weapons you haven't unlocked in hades 1

[signal jackal]

You may not have. I had that same bug happen to me when I hadn’t used a single reroll (still had the maximum count and I also rarely use them to begin with) and had only gone past the first guardian, and started with ||Icarus’s|| keepsake. Hadn’t even had a chance to swap it for anything else, and it said I broke fates whim. I reported it as a bug

[wintry rivet]

You have reroll you already break fate whim

[tidal moss]

If you have reroll arcana active fates whim is not

[thin monolith]

wait so can circe's effect that activates an inactive arcana break fates' whim?

[tidal moss]

No, judgement and circe/her keepsake will never hit rerolls

[thin monolith]

thanks for the confirmation

[amber herald]

Is vital signs from arty good at all?

[signal jackal]

Fates whim is active if the reroll arcana is active. Its only if you actually use a reroll that it breaks FW

[wintry rivet]

What? Definitely not

[signal jackal]

I’ve had the arcana active vast majority of the time and just never use rerolls and it’s been fine.

[wintry rivet]

Fate whim requirements basically say having 0 reroll and no olympus summoning keepsake this night

[signal jackal]

It says you can’t have used any rerolls

And no Olympian keepsake

I’m near 300 nights in and I had never had FW broken by having the arcana in my kit since I think I’ve only rerolled a handful of times back when I was farming specific stuff, but that hasn’t been the case in forever.

Anyway if it’s not consistently working a way, regardless of how it’s supposed to work, it’s bugged and worth reporting 🤷🏼‍♀️

[wintry rivet]

Go read fate whim again

[tidal moss]

No lmao

[tidal moss]

Not bugged, you're using it wrong

[tidal moss]

If you had rerolls on, it wasn't active in the first place

[wary night]

sorry, but you are in fact misremembering.
watch this: https://streamable.com/qznugt (visual spoilers for non-plot relevant late game decorations, if you care)
as soon as you change to an arcana loadout with rerolls, you get a "fate's whim inactive message" on screen.
the description of fate's whim also says "you have had 0 [dice symbol]," it doesn't use the word "use"

if you have a clip of you doing a run and getting benefits from fate's him while having any reroll arcana active then that's definitely worth reporting as a bug, but I've never experienced that and I haven't heard of anyone else experiencing that

[scarlet saddle]

Hey guys ||I can't change keepsakes when I enter a new area?||

[scarlet saddle]

300 T_T

[vivid flare]

Need to unlock the incantation for it

Think you need something like 10 keepsakes before it'll show?

[tidal moss]

I just hit 500

[scarlet saddle]

AHHHH

Now I gotta get that many. ||Been prioritising bones and ashes for more grasp cause it seems I have a limit on how many Arcana I can hold||

[scarlet saddle]

😲

[amber herald]

What kind of play style does mel flames have?

[unborn plaza]

omega special + (channel omega attack or special spam)

[sand void]

got to admit, tried it, and it's a lot better than I thought, thank you!

[amber herald]

Chaos trials - am I clearing just the region or the entire surface or UW run?

[strong solar]

Some of them are just regions depending on the trial, but 4 of them are full clears

[amber herald]

Hi is there a guide on how to dial fear from low to high?

[barren gust]

Haelian and Boated have both made guides around fears.

[signal jackal]

Tell that to the game then 🤷🏼‍♀️

[fresh imp]

have fun!!

[upper apex]

||artemis blades is powerful, I thought you were supposed to spam omega attack but no it's waiting to get a parry and then it's critical attack real estate||

[scarlet saddle]

Well I dunno how to use the flames well

[scarlet saddle]

Which? The flames? Axe?

[desert silo]

it was ragebait

[raw crag]

I find flames are good for crowds, but not so good for bosses. The damage always feels underwhelming to me

[dense anchor]

aspect of ||moros|| is a melter
take ||hera|| on atk and zeus on special, win

[stray grove]

does someone have a checklist of ALL chaos trials?

[mystic copper]

even base flames shred when you have good aspects

I wont my last down run by zeus-maxing with mel aspect

[raw crag]

Maybe I just need to learn more about them

[mystic copper]

you are right it has phenomenal crowd clear with certain aspects/boons

but the boss damage is also good if you build that way

[foggy inlet]

if my pc can run hades 1 fine, can it run hades 2 fine?

like, is hades 2 very demanding?

[mystic copper]

not anymore demanding that hades 1 iirc, probably like a 15% increase in demand

[vast oasis]

Yes

hades 2 runs fine on bad hardware

[ashen trout]

who should I give my first nectar to?

[upbeat sedge]

Skelly

[ashen trout]

he's in this game?

where is he?

[stray grove]

[serene laurel]

Sorry, I’d recommend gifting to commander Schelemeus. Not sure why Silly thought Skelly was in this game…

[ashen trout]

what arcana cards should I get?

[serene laurel]

I don’t want to spoil things too much, but until you’ve unlocked them all, experiment! Then you can just use the meta setup (which I’m sure someone will link)

For now, some of my favorites are…

-Origination. Enemies take a ton more damage if 2 or more olympian curses are applied to them.

-Death or strength. Death gives you death defiances, and strength makes you deal more damage while taking less. Use one or the other- death is the best for new players, but strength is amazing once you’ve gotten the hang of it!

The furies makes your cast useful even if you don’t have a cast boon- once you’ve unlocked it, always have your cast over enemies.

[snow oracle]

I think death + the one that increases max health is best for when you're new; having more leeway to learn enemies' attack patterns is really helpful early on.

[sly nova]

wayward son, death, MAYBE LOVERS, furies and origination

[serene laurel]

Lovers is a good grab, even if it doesn’t quite fit into meta builds a lot of the time

[desert silo]

what are the meta builds anyway

[serene laurel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/960590442141991042/1443760145392992286/IMG_5486.png?ex=692a3dea&is=6928ec6a&hm=81eab6bd8fd7e62dffa7a5b9449c3e6e6654f34aa21c03aae0f55755b07e9394&

Real grainy but this is the non FW setup

@desert silo If you’re using a non-magick weapon, you swap out wayward son and huntress for lovers. Alternatively, you can swap out sorceress and huntress for lovers if you’re using death instead of strength

You just need a full row/column for divinity

[desert silo]

i'n a fates whimmer personally so what's the FW setup

[serene laurel]

Uhhhh not sure look on boated’s YouTube channel for a video that uses FW since he always shows arcana at the start

I have the setup but I’m not at home rn

[wintry rivet]

Can just use the same but change reroll arcana to lover artificial messenger, and maybe adjust a bit based on weapon

[serene laurel]

Yep! (Also get rid of boatman, but he’s part of the reroll quartet so I guess it’s implied)

[wintry rivet]

Boatman is good, money is money

[serene laurel]

If you’re on FW you have ||Chrolex||

[wintry rivet]

But you can also change it to other card you like

Not a big deal if you ain't playing forfeit in UW

[serene laurel]

I wouldn’t recommend boatman just because of the FW keepsake that gives you endless riches

You usually equip it in region 2, meaning region 1 will be a bit tight on money but it will more than make up for it

[desert silo]

anyways uhh
the ones that i know you should always keep on are origination, persistence, and either death or strength

[vivid flare]

Moros

His keepsake is essentially Stubborn Defiance from the first game, and very good to take across an entire when you don't have the ability to swap between regions

[desert silo]

stubborn defiance but it stacks with death defiance
and it's really funny

i feel there are a lot more "keep for one region before swapping it out" keepsakes than in hades 1

[vivid flare]

Pretty much all of them are meant to be swapped out in this game

[scarlet saddle]

||I was at Oceanus, finally had 2 death defiance (one from the tooth and another from Arcana, then suddenly I got transported to Asphodel where I proceeded to die cause the circle kept taking me to the lava and enemy attacks.....the amount of rage I felt , i broke my chair)||

[scarlet saddle]

But the thing is we have to clear an encounter in 10 seconds ans what if it is a boss fight??

[wintry rivet]

You die

[wary night]

a tip about this: ||leaving the circle temporarily is fine if the alternative is taking damage, but ALSO! if you don’t mind not getting the reward, just stand outside the circle and let the % go to zero. you don’t get punished beyond missing out on the reward||

[scarlet saddle]

I would not use it until I have enough death defiances

[scarlet saddle]

Yep

[wary night]

in boss fights the advantage is mainly getting 10 seconds of invincibility to dish out damage. you can abuse it for healing in non-boss rooms, and sooometimes for specific boss phase changes, but it’s more of an offensive keepsake for bossing

[scarlet saddle]

WHY DID I NOT KNOW ABOUT THIS AHHHHH I WASTED A WHOLE RUN and my chair

[scarlet saddle]

The prob is I dunno if we can remove doom if we heal

[wary night]

the game never really tells you! you figure it out by failing lol, I learned it from speedruns (since it’s faster than doing the challenge as intended)

[wary night]

huh? elaborate, idk if I follow.
if you don’t clear all enemies within 10 seconds you just lose a death defiance like normal, as you would have without the keepsake

[wintry rivet]

||Imagine you just stuck there if failed, boss change to lernie||

[scarlet saddle]

(Don't we die of we don't clear the encounter within 10 secs after doomed,m

[wary night]

you just lose a death defiance, it doesn’t instakill you or anything.
you lose the DD that you would have lost by reaching zero hp anyway. and it refreshes every room

tooth is prob better when you don’t have max DDs and are worried about dying, but there’s no extra punishment for failing to clear soon as opposed to just reaching zero hp with a different keepsake on

[scarlet saddle]

I keep dying to that|| Siren ||so I wanted to get my death defiance up. I got a replenish from that narcissus but then our dear old ||grandpa|| decided to send me to asphodel

[scarlet saddle]

If I don't have any defiance left?

[wintry rivet]

You die

[wary night]

then you die, the same as you would have without the keepsake on 🤷

[wintry rivet]

Should pick athena instead

[scarlet saddle]

I just recently unlocked the incantation for the keepsakes and I atm always keep the tooth

[scarlet saddle]

I have nit even met her in game. To busy being Siren food. If I had a death defiance in my previous run I would have beaten her

But she receives less damage

[wary night]

I wouldn’t use it when entering a region with zero death defiances.
but if you do have some then pin gives you a bunch of free healing for normal rooms, and a 10 second window to maximize your damage during a boss fight without worrying about dodging, which is why I’d say it’s more of an offensive keepsake for boss fights

[scarlet saddle]

Dunno why

[scarlet saddle]

Ooooh. Well I need to increase my death defiance first. What arcana gives it

[wary night]

Death, the same one that gave you your first DD
pretty soon Hecate should teach you the incantation to upgrade cards you’ve already unlocked

idr what triggers it, potentially just unlocking a certain number and/or raising your grasp enough…?

[scarlet saddle]

Well atm I don't have it I think. Only the witch ward thing and the aspect spell

Where can I get Bronze? Amd g rock?

[wary night]

g rock = region after the one you’re stuck on right now
bronze = locked behind witch wards

[scarlet saddle]

ARE YOU KIDDING ME

AHHHHHHHHH

[wary night]

I unlocked arcana upgrades before that tho…? you may have unlocked it but missed it somehow
do you have any moon dust in your inventory?

[scarlet saddle]

Cause the aspect spell needs bronze I think and the ||skull needs both of them||

[scarlet saddle]

What is moon dust?

[wary night]

an item used for upgrading arcana cards
is there any in your inventory? you get some for free when you first use the incantation

[wintry rivet]

I believe you need to unlock arcana upgrade to see moon dust lol

[scarlet saddle]

I have not done that incantation. Nor have I heard of it

[scarlet saddle]

AHHHH well I don't T_T

[wary night]

the incantation is called “consecration of ashes”
hard to get a straight answer about what unlocks it online, since the wiki is out of date

I’d maybe focus on increasing your grasp + unlocking new cards to see if that triggers it…?

[wintry rivet]

I unlock by just playing the game so idk the actual condition

Probably something that you are supposed to do regardless

[wary night]

I assume it’s tied to other arcana upgrade systems

dialogue priority is also odd, you may even have the unlock conditions met but Hecate is busy talking about witching wards and familiars

[vivid flare]

Well, avoid popping the DD early in the fight

Otherwise, you just lose a DD like you would have anyways without the pin

[scarlet saddle]

T_T

[scarlet saddle]

Ooooh

[scarlet saddle]

My grasp at 18 and I unlocked cards that reached 14 grasp

[vivid flare]

The important thing is that Pin goes first

[scarlet saddle]

I never knew that the numbers on the cards were important

[vivid flare]

They are

[scarlet saddle]

Oh. Well I will only dare use the pin when I get all the death defiances

[vivid flare]

Nah, it's great even with just 1 DD

If you clear before Pin goes off, you don't lose your permanent DDs

[scarlet saddle]

I am worried cause the Pin might go off when I am in a bods fight

Boss

[tidal moss]

You can still refresh pin in bossfights

[scarlet saddle]

......why does it remind me of stubborn defiance

[tidal moss]

It's basically a better stubborn defiance

[shy zephyr]

I'd argue it's worse actually

[tidal moss]

Cause of the timer?

[shy zephyr]

you still need a dd behind it
stubborn defiance by itself was enough

[scarlet saddle]

Ooh

[scarlet saddle]

If it was 30 secs then yea

[vivid flare]

Because it's effectively that

There is a Boon that's Sturbborn Defiance outright, but you won't have access to it for a hot minute

[rose wadi]

should I prioritize leveling Raki's pecking or is it a joke stat like Frinos's splash

nvm glazed over the part it applies mark

[oblique verge]

Did you ever figure this out? I'm at the same spot. Maxed arcana, unlocked all keepsakes and pets, epilogue

[tribal current]

Try just doing more trials? I forget what ultimately unlocked it for me, but I know I was grinding out the trials at the time

[oblique verge]

I got it after killing Typhon again. Maybe it's a number of runs

[amber herald]

Is Gale a good familiar to unlock first and then maxed out?

Oh I think I need to unlock the first 3 first

[tidal moss]

Gale is very good

[desert silo]

||gale is a great familiar so unlock her asap, though you won't be able to unlock her as quickly as most other familiars||

[tidal moss]

But you need to unlock all the others to upgrade them

[desert silo]

honestly the first thing i'd upgrade for each familiar is the resource gathering
while you still need resources, upgrade the resource finding of its associated familiars and run the familiar for the type of resource you want most

[amber herald]

This reminds me of the new game ball pit. I havent played that game yet but that game is rougelike and got a farm.

[vivid flare]

Hard disagree there, I think the passives are the most important part to upgrade for all but Toula

And then you wanna upgrade Toula's attacks

Raki going from 1% global crit to 4% is pretty huge

[desert silo]

wdym more dd health is great

[vivid flare]

Sure, but so is increasing the length of her volleys

[stiff tree]

sup yall i made a new safe but i get a curse each time i go up i get damage over time how do i cure this (i have a maxed out safe and i made a new one but they updayte added this curse*

Oh lol i died at another surface run with that curse and now i have moros cutscene

[tidal moss]

Be under 30% health after each bossfight

[stiff tree]

???

Wdym

[tidal moss]

That's how you avoid the eris curse

[stiff tree]

oh haha no not eris

Chrotonic fat eor smth

[tidal moss]

Oh you need to collect i think it's moss and shadow for the incantation

[elfin granite]

yeah, the surface curse isn't an update thing; it's always been there

[stiff tree]

oh thx

[tidal moss]

Thats why I was confused

[quick fiber]

It's moss and bronze I think 🤔

[desert silo]

no bronze necessary i think

[vivid flare]

No bronze needed

Moss is the only ingredient up top it needs, the rest is found in the Underworld

[rigid kite]

i just unlocked "being able to upgrade weapons" and i have a question. I like using the moonstone axe and i noticed that the "aspect oh charon" and "aspect of thanatos" kinda seem lackluster. is there something im missing? i havent tried them yet just going off the descriptions

[vivid flare]

There is. Both of them are just as good as Mel axe, if not better

Than axe's inherent attack speed buff and up to 20% crit on your Omegas if you can maintain Mortality is nothing to scoff at, and lets you go for either Omegas or base attacks, depending on hammers

Charon is in the top 5 aspects in the game because of how well it synergizes with cast boons

[desert silo]

aspect of charon's cast explosions are very strong and get even funnier with a fitting cast build
aspect of thanatos is much faster than normal axe in addition to the mortality gimmick
additionally you're able to upgrade them to make them better

[vivid flare]

Charon needs, like, 2 boons to have a pretty much guaranteed won run (Lucid Gain and Geyser Spout), and can scale up absurdly from there

[rigid kite]

i guess i got blinded by "do more damage and have health" lol

[vivid flare]

TBF, Mel Axe is still nothing to scoff at

[desert silo]

i don't think the axe has a single bad aspect

[rigid kite]

axe in general is the only weapon i actually enjoy using

[quick fiber]

Charon seems lackluster to me but thana attack speed and 20% crit on omegas is good (30% with max succ rate)

[vivid flare]

Though it is only base attack damage, not your Omegas

[rigid kite]

soory what are omegas?

[desert silo]

so that's why mel omega attack felt so flaccid

[vivid flare]

The charged moves. So the spin and big slam for the axe

[rigid kite]

oooh

[desert silo]

the charged moves that cost magick

[rigid kite]

i never assigned a word for those in my brain 😂 i just called them that symbol in my head

[vivid flare]

Yeah, sadly, you're not getting 50 extra base damage on your spin

This is very sad, Alexa play Despacitk

[desert silo]

Ω is omega

[vivid flare]

I mean, the symbol is the greek letter Omega (specifically, capital Omega)

[rigid kite]

no i get that, i just mean in my head whenever i read it, i vusually just saw the symbol and never thought of a word to call it lmao

visual thinking ig

anyway, gracais friends, i think ill try to get the charon axe. that souns fun

[slim spear]

Oh my God

I get it. I predicted the big reveal in the Epilogue without finishing it.

||Hecate is an alternate universe Melinoë, isn't she?||

It only makes sense

||Her Rivals fight has so many abilities that you get as Melinoë with the Torches. All the Hexes are too similar to Melinoë's version of them. If there had been a reveal that corresponded to my theory that Hecate was connected to Chronos before the game began, the reveal would've been before Dissolution of Time. Hecate cannot have so many of Melinoë's attacks just as a coincidence. Sure, in universe, it probably doesn't mean as much, but no designer would just slap on numerous abilities of one character onto another without any reason. At least not Supergiant.||

[stiff hawk]

@slim spear wrong channel, story discussion is down below

[slim spear]

Oh thanks

Well I remember that discussion is only safe to navigate after finishing the epilogue

So figured I didn't qualify lol

I'll go down below

[stiff hawk]

hey folks, new player question here, is there a way to increase odds of meeting raki in erebus? is he in specific room, like mid-region shop, or is it just random?

[proven gazelle]

He's in the free rest room you unlock from an incantation

After you get that fountain room its just luck he shows up there

[stiff hawk]

heh, got him.

entered Echo room and Nemesis was there, and Echo wasnt there. wtf?

and she stole the best next room of course while I was flabbergasted

[slim spear]

Nem is incredibly petty lol

[stiff hawk]

isnt it a bug? never occured to me in EA

whats next, Nem will slay my baby Narcissus?

[wary night]

it's def not a bug, it's happened to me and iirc it's a story beat that only happens once

[stiff hawk]

what I really dont like is how moon boons are implemented in H2. Misclicked a buff node? too bad, of course you cant deselect it. wonder what you build is to select best nodes? sucks to be me, cant open build view while in that window.
its really bad

also, dont want to pick up purple node on moon boon tree? too bad, you have to spend all those points

[tidal moss]

You mean hexes?

[stiff hawk]

yes! always forget the proper name

Those design decisions I cant get behind, a lot of effort was put into hexes, but these problems debuff them a lot

[tidal moss]

Yeah I don't like hexes either from a gameplay perspective

I think they require too much investment and planning for how much you can get out

[stiff hawk]

the screen where you pick those nodes is so rudementary

[tidal moss]

I almost never see it anyway

[stiff hawk]

and speakin of, does selecting multiple "charged at 40% at beginning of the fight" nodes do anything?

[stiff hawk]

thats sorta proves my point, if hexes were made better people would use them more often. sucks when a feature is ignored by players

[wary night]

I rather do like hexes lol and don't really have your problems with them 🤷 but I understand the critique

[tidal moss]

You just like wolf howl

[stiff hawk]

I also like hexes, but these UI problems suck ass

[tidal moss]

Alot of people do like them and they can be strong

But you could be stronger buy prioritising other things

[wary night]

nah I like a lot of hexes, I like using magick heavy aspects for high fear in part because it lets me click hexes

I dislike 4/9 of them total, I'd say...? but like the other 5 quite a bit

[tidal moss]

For me it's wolf howl, the morph one and maybe phase shift and moon water

[fading bloom]

Any upgrades to reduce the 4s time for the moon drop?

[tidal moss]

Not that I remember

[wary night]

lmao phase shift and moon water are two of the ones I dislike 😔

[wary night]

there are ways to make it so that keeping the enemy within the landing zone doesn't matter as much 👀 but not ways to make it fall faster

[tidal moss]

They're not bad so idc (except the phase shift bug)

[stiff hawk]

nope, you have to plan strategically to land it nice

what are the triggers to unlock incantation to upgrade familiars?

[tidal moss]

You need to have all of them unlocked

After that there is an npc you have to talk to, i think its hecate

[shy zephyr]

hexes are good

[quick fiber]

False

[quick fiber]

70% sure it's ||circe||

[wary night]

metal lore I didn't know
also circe is ||the familiar skins|| so idt it's her

[stiff hawk]

like all 5 of them?

[tidal moss]

Yep

[slim spear]

The only one I like is ZA WARUDO!

damn i didn't tag the message i wanted to

[bright urchin]

I get the critiques people have with hexes, but I like using most of them.

Or close to half of them, rather. Night Bloom, Phase Shift and Moon Water are my top 3 picks, I think.

The rest I tend to pick when neither of these 3 are available. Not counting whenever I use Selene coat, ofc.

The one I tend to actively avoid lately is Twilight Curse, but I can imagine it having some value in high fear runs.

[proven gazelle]

its goated for high fear

[unborn plaza]

twilight curse, wolf howl, night bloom, total eclipse top 4 imo

[bright urchin]

Also, is it just me or is Dark Side rather weak in its moves?

[proven gazelle]

the godsent goes kinda crazy, but yeah otherwise its pretty lackluster in my experience

[slim spear]

twilight curse would be a lot better if the "enemies are weaker" node was stronger

or appeared more

[little dust]

Make moon water heal through scars 3

[tidal moss]

Super useful for minibosses

[strong solar]

Dark side is good for cast builds because you can use cast while invincible. Its also good with eos cus u can send the daybreaker with omega special out and use darkside to support it

[shy zephyr]

||https://youtu.be/lZcicv5F5YM?si=NIgvDbP8y56FUIBO||

[stiff hawk]

got the incantation with only 4 of familiars

[stiff hawk]

yep, basically a "nodamage wipe out miniboss" button

[azure void]

I like lunar ray bcus i like lasers

[tardy zealot]

How do I unlock seed reroll? I have all the statues

[vivid flare]

Have you done the epilogue?

[tardy zealot]

I'm confused about what that means, I have like everything maxed out tho so idk what to do now

[vivid flare]

Have you done the story's epilogue?

[tardy zealot]

Idk what starts the epilogue and ends it

I have rolled credits

[vivid flare]

I.E. Have you completed ||"Melinöe, Help Us"||

[tardy zealot]

I think so and then that unlocked a prophecy to like find them in Oceanus?

but idk what that means

[vivid flare]

Gotta ||proc Pin 3 times in a row and die on the fourth||

[tardy zealot]

So go to Oceanus with pin and then die? 3 times.??

[vivid flare]

No

[tardy zealot]

Just anywhere?

[vivid flare]

It needs to ||be in Oceanus, you need 4 uninterrupted rooms of combat (so no shop or Narcissus), you need to proc Pin in all 4 rooms, and die to it in the 4th||

Easiest way to do that is to run the Trial of Doom so Narc's room is blacklisted

[tardy zealot]

Feels like a Easter egg rather than a part of the game, so lame man

[vivid flare]

It's a bit more annoying than Hades 1's "encounter every god at least once across multiple runs", but that is the epilogue condition

Dunno what to tell you besides what I already have

The real easter egg is that ||you can proc it early and Clotho will tell you to piss off and come back later||

[tardy zealot]

Lmaooo

[steel crane]

I finished ||3 Testaments|| and now no more will show up. Is there an incantation or part of story progression I need to finish to see more?

[shy zephyr]

both lol

progress the story and you will unlock a very important incantation

[vivid flare]

They've rotated to bosses you haven't encountered

[steel crane]

Ah, that makes a lot of sense.

[amber herald]

For a good while I didnt have to go through the left and right trigger minigame to get psyche, but now I do again. How?

[wintry rivet]

Use frog

[amber herald]

ahh i see!

[desert silo]

frinos skips the minigame (and also makes lost souls more common)
toula does the same but for fishing

[amber herald]

i have jewlled pom - do i need any other for FW at all?

[desert silo]

||the other fw keepsakes are very nice to have but not necessary||

[proven gazelle]

||chrolex is amazing, calling card is whatever||

[tidal moss]

Calling card would be good except for the fact it replaces something else

[vivid flare]

If Pom applied the levels retroactively, it'd make Card a lot more appealing

[tidal moss]

Taking pom last region and insta god run

[wintry rivet]

Instructions unclear, die to scylla

[slim spear]

how does one unlock rivals 2

[desert silo]

beat both first bosses with rivals 1 active

then cast the incantation that should unlock afterwards

rivals 2 specifically also requires you to have beaten a certain miniboss before. if you've beaten every warden before you should be fine, else there's a chance you're missing it

[stiff hawk]

hey folks, what are good boons for sister blades attack besides poseidon?

[signal bolt]

scorch is good

[stiff hawk]

and what do people put on blades special? besides the basic "some other curse to activate Origination" logic

[stiff hawk]

what about zeus?

[signal bolt]

blitz also works ye, i also really like throwing hitch or wounds on special for poke and room clear

scorch/blitz also works on spec

[stiff hawk]

wounds? you mean Ares?

[signal bolt]

ye

[stiff hawk]

dont like him, so no to wounds

[signal bolt]

very fair, wounds is on the weaker end of boons (and is prob actually the weakest end) but it's still serviceable

[stiff hawk]

dont like him personally, but his boons lineup is also very disappointing, yes, esp. for a guy that takes a while to unlock

[tribal current]

I actually love Demeter on the blades special.

If I'm beating up on Enemy A, and I see Enemy B over there charging up an attack, I can just fling a special over there and freeze Enemy B for a few seconds.

[glacial gyro]

Hi, I seem to be missing the ||argent skull testament|| completly. is there something I need to do to unlock that one?

[tidal moss]

Skull testament?

[glacial gyro]

the Oaths for that weapon

[tidal moss]

From the fated list or fear menu

[glacial gyro]

the fear menu

[tidal moss]

You haven't seen that boss then yet

[glacial gyro]

hmm ok, ive done the lower boss a few times but havent got all the way through upper

the wiki shows its a boss ive done but idk

[tidal moss]

Wiki isn't correct

[glacial gyro]

welp

[slim spear]

Is there an indie wiki or is fandom all there is

[tidal moss]

Very outdated fandom wiki

[slim spear]

Guess this server is my indie wiki now 🤷‍♂️

[tidal moss]

Yep

[slim spear]

Emoticons are broken on markdown text I see

[tidal moss]

We know everything

[slim spear]

Da Fates

[tidal moss]

Exactly

[azure void]

I will lie to you without hesitation /j

[tidal moss]

I love spreading misinformation

[lucid drift]

what is the blood pitcher boon at the chiron shop?

it says +1 with a heart in a circle. (death defiance?)

[weak mantle]

Yeah, that's a death defiance refill

[edgy locust]

kiss of styx!
it's a refill for your death defy

[vivid flare]

Yep, it's a Kiss of Styx. They can spawn as shop items and not just from Wells

[lucid drift]

perfect thank you

[lucid drift]

also another unrelated question, for the improving of the weapons with the aspect upgrades. Is it only 1 active at a time or all of the ones I upgrade are active all at once?

[tidal moss]

One at a time

[lucid drift]

hm ok thanks for clarifying that for me

[amber herald]

Easiest flame, axe, and coat aspects? i basically never liked how those aspects play, but i need the nightmares. Or I perhaps just go play other games.

[tidal moss]

Moros, charon, nyx

[wary night]

yeah, moros charon nyx
Moros and Nyx will also make you better at aspect of Mel for those weapons
and then Charon is barely an axe lol

[amber herald]

okie. thanks!

[vivid flare]

You know about using the Special to animation-cancel the Attack on the axe (and reset the combo), yes?

[tidal moss]

Doesn't matter on charon

[vivid flare]

Yes, but it might help them enjoy the other base axes if they thought they were locked into the slam

[eternal mica]

Hello

I have played a ton of hades one and just started hades 2

is this the channel for some early noob questions

[desert silo]

yup

[tidal moss]

Yes

[eternal mica]

cool

so is there a trick to doding||Hecates curse|| I can't seem to out run it and just keep having to tank it in sheep mode

[wintry rivet]

Iframe thru it multiple time

[desert silo]

assuming you mean the ball that sheepifies you, if you can't outrun it, keep dodging through it

[tidal moss]

You can dodge through it

[eternal mica]

the ball yes

It seems hard with one dodge

or do I get a second one later and it's better

[wintry rivet]

No 2nd dash here

[eternal mica]

damn

I was afraid you'd say that

[desert silo]

it's difficult! honestly i usually just tank it asap

[tidal moss]

You have a dash and sprint

[eternal mica]

wait fr

[wintry rivet]

Demeter rush let you outrun it

[eternal mica]

I may have missed sprint in the tutorial lol

Yeah I actually only out ran it once with demeter

[tidal moss]

Yeah you can hold dash and you will sprint

[eternal mica]

other times just tanked it, still beat her but feels bad getting hit everytime haha

[desert silo]

i have autosprint on in the settings so i forget you usually have to hold the dash button to sprint

[tidal moss]

You'll get better with practice too

[eternal mica]

oh okay

I just re bound my controller to my old hades 1 settings so hopefully its fine

one dash so sad

[tidal moss]

You'll get used to it

[eternal mica]

auto sprint is a good idea

i'll try it for this run rn thank you

[tidal moss]

I've never used it 🤷‍♀️

[eternal mica]

fair enough

[eternal mica]

Is there a tip for the || Sirens? ||

Like with the champions I always killed the bull first

does order matter here? It seems they become incapacitated forcing you to attack the others no?

there was so much AoE I had a hard time following what was happening haha

[tidal moss]

Recommended order is drummer, scylla, then guitarist

[eternal mica]

roger that, so thier attacks do change

[tidal moss]

Once they all revive same order again

[eternal mica]

or just for ease because drummer can't move

[weak mantle]

Drummer causes too much area denial, better to remove their attacks. Ultimately take out whoever annoys you the most first

[tidal moss]

Drummer cause it makes it easier to attack the others

I have clips but it has minor spoilers

[eternal mica]

I'll probably ask to see it later to get a better understanding I'm only on my 6th night but trying to optimize the little things like that

Appreciate the help

[tidal moss]

Any time

[azure void]

Roxy i love you but please stop putting circles everywhere

[tidal moss]

LMAO

[azure void]

This is why she's the least kissable of scylla and the sirens

[tidal moss]

Nah she's such an easy target and super easy to dodge I love her

[elfin reef]

it’d be easier if those constant circles didn’t pop up >:( i can’t get in enough damage. then there’s something that keep sniping me and i have no idea what :/ i almost rage quit LOL granted im not too strong yet but still…

i do have a question, what does the rank of an artifact do? like how does it benefit me my fav one rn is the ||silken sash|| and it’s at the 2 blue star rank. but the stats didnt seem to change

[sand void]

I always kill her first

[shy zephyr]

it improves a certain part of their effect, for sash it will always give you 30 armor on pick up, but the amount it gives you after each location is improved with its level

[inland palm]

whats the average number of escape attempts before you beat the game?

[azure void]

I have no clue, i think mine was 9 or 10 but i had also played alot of hades 1 beforehand

[azure void]

Same

[inland palm]

sry i was asking for hades 1

worng channel

[azure void]

Oh lol

[hoary prairie]

"Cmon, Rox!"

[tidal moss]

Scylla watching roxy being annihilated 0.2 seconds into the fight after practising all night

[hoary prairie]

I usually target Roxy or ||Charibdis|| first, which is a shame because without Roxy, the songs dont hit the same 💔

[tidal moss]

I tend not to target c first

Recommended target pattern https://imgur.com/ZuZxRIg

[hoary prairie]

Hot take: Cerberus vow of rivals is just a worse Bone Hydra

[tidal moss]

Real

[hoary prairie]

Bone Hydra is my GOAT. Favorite boss design (maybe behind Chronos, ||Typhon|| and Polyphemus)

[tidal moss]

I love him too, easiest rivals fight for me

[proven gazelle]

If rivals cerb didn't randomly decide to change moves halfway through his current attacks id like him more

[desert silo]

if rivals cerb phase 1 wasn't claustrophobia incarnate i'd like him more

[hoary prairie]

And yet he's only the 2nd worse rivals boss (all the other ones are good I swear)

[tidal moss]

https://imgur.com/a/vMd79UT

[oblique verge]

being able to dive into the roxy zone at the beginning without taking a hit is incredible

[tidal moss]

It was either snow queen or I did just actually dodge it

[proven gazelle]

Ohh thats cool i never thought about dancing around him when he does the chasing slams

That little strat will save me lots of time on em

[tidal moss]

It's really risky cause he can crank a 90 on you with no warning

But most of the time it's fine

[proven gazelle]

Tbf isnt that every high fear rivals fight 😔 all fine and dandy until they do some bs you've never seen before and lose half your health

[tidal moss]

Uh yeah pretty much I just had a pretty perfect run lined up

[bright urchin]

Wondering which rivals boss is your worst one, since Cerberus is easily my personal worst.

[desert silo]

my guess is rivals polyphemus

[tidal moss]

We should move this to general

[hard crow]

I got to the second area, will I have to go back through the first if I lose now?

I assume so but I just wanna make sure

[desert silo]

yes

[vivid flare]

Yep, that'll be the case every run. Win or lose

[hoary prairie]

Ding ding ding! Correct! That is indeed the worst one! (Even tho I love polyphemus 😔)

[jagged stag]

I started today. HOWLING TO THE MOON. Supergiant delivered, I love everything

The axe is the funniest weapon, why is it so big, lmao, Melinoë gotta start a demolition company

[scenic arrow]

poseidon attack on axe shoots gigantic waves it's very funny

[steel crane]

I just beat ||Typhon|| on the second try today, and the engraved pin put in so much work. I think it saved me 4 times between the 3rd and 4th zones. I'm actually amazed this reached 1.0. Who knew DPS checks were easy if you can't take damage?

[shy zephyr]

it reached 1.0 because it used to be even better before 😁

[steel crane]

Really? What was the nerf? Oh wait, was the "success trigger" different?

It feels the same as far as I can remember, but I did take an 18 month break.

[tidal moss]

It didn't count as a dd so you could use it with strength

[steel crane]

Oh yeah, I remember now. To be honest, I was never a strength fan, so maybe that's why I didn't notice.

[ashen trout]

are there alternative areas? not talking about the surface route, but like being able to go to a different area instead of fields of mourning, kind of like the alt floors in binding of isaac

[tidal moss]

Nope

[ashen trout]

how many gods are only available after I progress to a certain point?

ive only met like 6 gods iirc

[tidal moss]

There are 9 total

[ashen trout]

counting apollo and artemis?

[tidal moss]

Counting the Olympian npc's that appear once in a run, there is 12

And Hermes, so 13

[ashen trout]

I meant to say hermes and artemis here mb

[ashen trout]

which 4 are they?

[shy zephyr]

apollo, aphrodite, poseidon, hestia, demeter, zeus and hephaestus are the 7 boon givers you start off with
||hera|| will start appearing after your first ||surface run loosening the curse||
||ares|| will appear when you see the ||final boss of the surface route||

[desert silo]

hermes will also give boons like those olympians, though he works a little differently and does not synergize with them so he often isn't counted the same as them
artemis may randomly intervene early in the run and give you one boon
||athena|| may ||randomly intervene on mount olympus and give you one boon||
||dionysus|| may ||appear as an npc on mount olympus and give you one boon||

[ashen trout]

are the achievements only available on steam

[desert silo]

i don't think they're on switch cuz switch doesn't have a built-in achievement system like other platforms

[slim spear]

And ||devil|| may ||cry||

[neon summit]

is it meta to just not buy anything else at the broker other than nightmare / special items?

kind of tempted to buy moon dust

have also heard that charon should only be used for fate fabric

[tidal moss]

Buy whatever you need

[neon summit]

I'm probably overly trying to optimize but i just don't want to end up with a bunch of unused things at the end or inefficiently make them into other things

i would've bought so much psyche and moondust, have 2.5k bones

[wintry rivet]

I get nightmare from charon then moon dust from broker until i don't need em

[neon summit]

is moon dust around the same efficiency as nightmare then

also, how can i get past 4 testaments? I reached 4 out of 38 or whatever and it says something about the night will being done, even after multiple other runs. Do I unlock more testaments with nightmare rewards by beating chronos or do I have to unlock the coat weapon to keep progressing?

[desert silo]

if no testaments are showing up then they probably went to bosses you haven't fought yet

[neon summit]

oh

need to be able to breathe on the surface

don't know why thalamus has never shown up in chaos rooms for me

[tidal moss]

Bad luck

[vivid flare]

Might be because the first time they give it to you, it's from dialogue and not the room itself?

[tidal moss]

That's darkness

[vivid flare]

No, was definitely Thalamus for me

[neon summit]

hmm ok I guess I just have to keep going into chaos portals whenever I can

[tidal moss]

Isn't that the digging spot thing

[vivid flare]

Yes, and Chaos first gives some to you when you roll dialogue about the ||surface curse||

[tidal moss]

Interesting

[oblique verge]

I accidentally sold my first one

[vivid flare]

Once you roll that dialogue, I believe you'll start being able to see resource nodes in Chaos rooms

[ashen trout]

howling soul, gigaros dash, or deep dissent?

[wary night]

which weapon are you running, and how high is your fear?

[ashen trout]

0 fear and im using staff or monos

[wary night]

howling soul is weird to aim so I might avoid it, some people like it but some hate it
gigaros = more offensive, deep dissent = more defensive, so pick whichever feels right based on how confident you are.
at high fear I'd go deep dissent for various reasons

[ashen trout]

I have the healing hex

[wintry rivet]

Non vor4 idt deep descent is good

[wary night]

gigaros then, unless you want to try howling soul aiming and figure out if you like it

it can be decent on momus, it just takes some getting used to

[tidal moss]

It's better for sf than uw

[wintry rivet]

Well you can't pick at sf lol

[tidal moss]

Not if you roll it

[eternal mica]

Could someone help me understand how the awakening power works for The Centaur

it says actiave cards that use 1-5 Grasp

but they don't appear to be active

[wary night]

it will turn on automatically if you have at least one 1 cost, 2 cost, 3 cost, 4 cost, and 5 cost card active

so, a card of each cost active at the same time

[eternal mica]

Ah so I'm missing a 5

and when I unlock a 5 they just auto unlock, or I can pick one from each number to use for no cost?

[wary night]

you don't get to activate other cards for free, so you need at least 15 grasp (1+2+3+4+5) to turn The Centaur on

[eternal mica]

Ooooh

Thank you

[eternal mica]

Am I blind or can I not change keepsakes between bosses

[wintry rivet]

Need to unlock that

[eternal mica]

Ah makes sense

[tidal moss]

It's an incantion

[eternal mica]

Dang it

[slim spear]

||RIVALS 2 SCYLLA IS SO BAD||

[tidal moss]

Get your ass beat?

[slim spear]

Aye...

[tidal moss]

I can give you some tips if you'd like

[slim spear]

What tips? There's nothing to it. Zoning bastards, one and all.

I must go look for cheese, the greatest in the land

[tidal moss]

There is a strat to it

[elfin reef]

i’m not even sure how i’m beating it so i can’t help there

[tidal moss]

https://imgur.com/ZuZxRIg

Vor sirens spoilers inside

[elfin reef]

i just barely make it each time

[tidal moss]

Boated also has a great guide

[slim spear]

"I don't know how but I'm winning"

[elfin reef]

basically lol

[slim spear]

i just have to run faster than light

[elfin reef]

i think a ranged attack/special would also be ur friend here tho

percussion doesn’t move. i go there first

[slim spear]

roxy is a (word i will not utter here)

[elfin reef]

lmao

[tidal moss]

Play circe

[elfin reef]

i main the ||umbral flames|| there’s a lot of characters i probably haven’t come across yet. circe one of em

[tidal moss]

Ah unfortunate

[elfin reef]

rn as far as i can go is to the ||inferno beast|| sooo still workin on that lol

[tidal moss]

Wait have you completed a run yet?

[elfin reef]

wdym by run? i’m a lil slow sorry

[tidal moss]

Beaten the final boss of the uw, cause if not we're talking about completely different things

[elfin reef]

oooh nope i haven’t i’m not even sure how much further it is until then

[tidal moss]

It's a fair way

[elfin reef]

dang. i have work to do then

[tidal moss]

You do indeed

[wanton sail]

I've reached the final boss of the uw once, but I'm struggling to consistently make it to the boss

[tidal moss]

Whats killing you?

[wanton sail]

(spoilers for generally every biome past the first in some form) ||alot of the time it'll be that 5 room gauntlet before chronos, although sometimes I have a death-defiant proc in Scylla or Cerberus||

[tidal moss]

Ah ok, what weapon and arcana are you using

[wanton sail]

I'm currently using the sister blades, and my arcanas are sorceress, wayward son, huntress, eternity, persistence, swift runner, death, centaur, lovers, and boatman (spoilers for an incantation) ||persistence & death have been upgraded once||

[tidal moss]

Actually a really good setup, do you have origination unlocked yet?

[wanton sail]

I do have origination unlocked

[tidal moss]

I would swap either boatman or eternity and huntress for it, it's incredibly powerful

[wanton sail]

I'll probably swap boatman for it, mainly as I like the attack buff/bonus from using any of my magick

Once I can get 2 more grasp, then I'll probably put boatman back on, and take off eternity

[tidal moss]

Definetly the best choice

[wanton sail]

Really the only reason eternity is on is because I had spare grasp

[tidal moss]

Are you using omegas alot?

[wanton sail]

I usually use my omega special to help with some AoE damage, I've been struggling to comfortably use casts tho

[wanton sail]

Also, my keepsake is usually the luckier tooth

[tidal moss]

casts you want to have down at all times, another good arcana to have on is furies

[wanton sail]

I'll have to learn to get better with casts, they do seem like they could help with large groups

[tidal moss]

100%

[wanton sail]

I absolutely hate the damn (area 2 enemy) ||pinheads|| they're so bloody annoying

[shy zephyr]

their point is to teach you to use your cast

[tidal moss]

They become super easy with cast

[wanton sail]

I'll try to keep that in mind, I also sometime struggle with (area 3 enemy) ||mourners|| but I'm assuming casts will also help them, as well as trying to keep distance more

[tidal moss]

I would recmommend staff or torches over blades for that

[wanton sail]

Yea, for keeping my distance I moreso mean using my special to handle them, since that does let me keep some distance from them, and lets me get close to attack normally during their downtime between attacks

[tidal moss]

fair

[slim spear]

||Aspect of the Morrigan is so cool||

[slim spear]

Never mind

It takes 25 years for the attacks to come out

[tidal moss]

It's the strongest blades aspect by far

[slim spear]

||"You're already dead."||
||"NANI?!"||
||Blood Triad procs||

[tidal moss]

Literally

[azure void]

Its peak when fully upgraded

[slim spear]

yes

||and judging by the commitment to the bit, the last tier is definitely gonna be 777 damage||

[wise locust]

Yes.

[amber herald]

I dont quite like complex weapon aspects. I just want to drop my cast and go in with a set combo. I enjoy Medea, mel staff, and mel blades. I have been playing some mel coat with attack builds.

[tidal moss]

Which aspects do you think are complex?

[amber herald]

I dunno. I just dont want to actively tracking and maintaining things.

I just want an aspect where I just go in drop my cast and spam one combo thats it

[strong solar]

I personally think mel, artemis blades are actually quite complex tbh. There is alot of animation cancels and combos you can do

[tidal moss]

I mean there's nothing that's really like that

[strong solar]

Moros

[tidal moss]

Each aspect can get really complex and technical

[tidal moss]

Medea is a very complicated aspect

[amber herald]

Anyways - I mean I have put in 50 hours into this game and got the 2nd trophy. I think I have gotten enough of this game for now. Maybe I will push higher fear at some point later, or maybe not.

[tidal moss]

I mean you're at low fear anyway so no harm in trying

[strong solar]

circe isnt so hard, right?

[amber herald]

Circe wasnt hard right, i just had to experiment with different familiars. I had one run with Gale and stacked scorch on cast. It was giga dps.

[tidal moss]

It's more braindead than mel staff

[strong solar]

yeah I had an inkling it might be but just wanted to confirm

[amber herald]

i mean moros i need to maintain omega special , no?

[strong solar]

Yeah keep omega special up and spam omega attack

and make sure u have enough mana, take born gain or if you dont like that playstyle, Ionic/flood/lucid

[tidal moss]

Which I wouldn't call complicated at all it's just using omegas lmao

[strong solar]

and take everything that creates things with omegas and use random bull go build

[tidal moss]

Fine lines spam

Ocean swell is good, goes with the duo

[amber herald]

Is there a way to make progress on every aspect? I did 20 fear on one aspect and then there is no further testaments for the weapon at all.

[strong solar]

or wave spam, or edgy ares knife spam

[tidal moss]

It's per weapon

You can go up to 20 fear on each weapon

Or you can challenge yourself and do 40f aspects like me

[amber herald]

RIght but I wish Having rewards for each aspect will motivate me to try out all the aspects

[tidal moss]

There is a quest to win a run with every aspect

[strong solar]

I never found getting nightmare to be hard this game tbh, unlike hades1 titan blood

[tidal moss]

And a separate one for the hidden aspects

[strong solar]

btw @amber herald torch hidden aspect is easy

[tidal moss]

I played in EA so it was never a problem either

[amber herald]

whats the name?

[strong solar]

yeah same here

[strong solar]

Supay

[tidal moss]

I saved up so much nmare for warsong that I had about 50 leftover after they changed the testaments

[amber herald]

Will there be a DLC for this game?

[tidal moss]

No

[strong solar]

i farmed most of the nm in this patch tbh, I just unlocked base weapons in warsong

[tidal moss]

They made it really easy for 1.0

[amber herald]

On supay do you just run around and watch things die?

[tidal moss]

Yeah pretty much

[strong solar]

yes

[tidal moss]

It's insanely good at applying about 4 different curses at once with two buttons and no effort

[strong solar]

you can drink a cup of soup while playing supay, probably

[tidal moss]

Yeah I always play one handed

[amber herald]

okay sweet

[strong solar]

Mel, than, nergal axe are also......relatively simpler than you think, its about spamming spin mostly

[amber herald]

I think design wise I like flames the best it kinda like bow in monster hunter. while it looks like a ranged weapon, it really playes like a mid-range weapon maintaining distance and you get into melee when you need.

[strong solar]

the better question is, what are the real long range weapons lol? I can think of momus and anubis being some

Eos is also long range technically

[tidal moss]

Charon

[strong solar]

ah yeh i nearly forgot

[tidal moss]

Shiva can be

Everything is alot more melee based which is why we have the cast

[amber herald]

Does this game eventually become kudo farming, if i don't push relaly high fear?

[strong solar]

Not really tbh. I didnt start pushing high fear until after I got all achievements