h2-for-new-players

[vital shard]

I've been struggling against him with every weapon i use

even the ranged weapons

[tidal moss]

Do you have any gameplay clips?

[vital shard]

my struggle is coming from just how big his attacks are.

i cannot stay close long enough to do an ok amount of damage before i just get obliterated

I do not have any clips

[tidal moss]

Mkmk

[vital shard]

I'm also having trouble just with some other bosses but i know exactly what im doing wrong for them

[tidal moss]

What's your arcana looking like

[vital shard]

and the one run where i got to chronos i was so close to victory it hurt

[wary night]

with ||cerb|| staying behind him (i.e. right on top of his back) helps with a lot of attacks, and for the ones that come out of the ground if you remember which warning areas showed up first then those will also explode first, and become safe zones afterwards during attacks where he covers the whole screen

[tidal moss]

It do be like that sometimes

[vital shard]

Honestly i figured as much with him. as for the attacks that come out of the ground, i could tell just immediately. I was mostly having issues with staying close enough to him to deal damage and dying to massive attacks

lemme do crossroads things and then i'll get a list of my arcana

Just curious, who's your favorite god? Both as a character and for what boons they give

[tidal moss]

Favourite boon god is zeus, Favourite character god is ||athena||

[wary night]

||Hera|| easily (surface spoilers)
love her boons, love how she's written, sometimes her personality is annoying but it's always in a way I appreciate lol

also hestia

[vital shard]

oooooooooh yeah

Haven't seem much ||Hera ||dialouge but her gain boon is one of my favorites

[wary night]

I want to like apollo but sadly he is a bit bland for me, I don't mind him but he's not interesting enough to be a favorite. I love my petty women with wildly different british accents <3

[vital shard]

lol

[cunning tendon]

Yeah my bad

[tidal moss]

It's pretty much the best gain boon in most scenarios

[wary night]

also fine line builds are fun <3 if niche
proper upbringing and bridal glow are fun af
hitch is my favorite status curse even if it's useless in single target
she has the highest % boost on attack/special of any god who also gives a status curse on those hits
idk, love her boons

I almost never take her legendary tho, I should more I just never rly get offered it

[vital shard]

Ngl Demeter's gain boon is definently a good contender for favorite gain boon
One run i just had a crapload of magick with no gain boon. that was probably my best run ever and i fumbled it so hard

[vital shard]

With the variety of boons i like, extended family is just free damage most of the time

[wary night]

yeah!! extended family is great...
if anything I kinda sleep on dying wish and the other tier 2 hitch related one, but I know they're really good, I just undervalue them

[vital shard]

I haven't seen many boons from her, honestly

[wary night]

OH AND. nexus rush, new favorite sprint after they buffed the AoE in 1.0
I love oneshotting every non-armored enemy in erebus at high rarity, it's so funny

[tidal moss]

So nice for the hecate fight

[tidal moss]

I despise Demeter gain boon

[vital shard]

damm
I gotta try to find that one sometime

[vital shard]

To each their own. Then again, it forces you to stop in the fats paced game so uhh

[wary night]

the damage falls off hard since you only deal damage when inflicting hitch (so there's a big cooldown), but it's very high damage so in early rooms it's just. silly lol

[vital shard]

lol

[wary night]

demeter gain is also like... it's good but at high difficulty standing still scares me 🙃
I like it better than zeus gain tho

[tidal moss]

Yeah I gotta go fast 24/7

[wary night]

oooh... imagining an AU where Hermes is a core boon giver
Hermes gain restoring magick when you sprint/dash would be very fun
mod territory ig and I never use mods for this game, but fun to imagine

[vital shard]

Ok i got my arcana here
I currently have 25 grasp
https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMSIsImMyIiwiYzMiLCJjNiIsImM3IiwiYzgiLCJjMTAiLCJjMTMiLCJjMTgiLCJjMTkiLCJjMjMiXQ==

[wary night]

ooooh ok there are things to help with here! mainly that "excellence" is a bit of a trap and not usually worth 5 grasp, whereas origination is insanely good and will help your damage a ton 👀

[tidal moss]

Swap excellence for origination

[vital shard]

I'm gonna throw another link at you with every card i have unlocked rq

[vital shard]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMSIsImMyIiwiYzMiLCJjNiIsImM3IiwiYzgiLCJjOSIsImMxMCIsImMxMiIsImMxMyIsImMxNiIsImMxNyIsImMxOCIsImMxOSIsImMyMyJd

[wary night]

Death is also safer than Strength if a boss is killing you, so I might recommend this for now:
https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMSIsImMyIiwiYzYiLCJjNyIsImMxMCIsImMxMSIsImMxMiIsImMxMyIsImMxNCIsImMxNSIsImMyMyJd
and then use either Huntress OR Night but not both, since Huntress only buffs non Ω moves and Night only buffs Ω moves, so they're rarely both good at the same time
edit: but that includes some stuff you haven't unlocked

[vital shard]

I've never actually got 2 curses in my build until waaaaaaay to late (if ever)

[tidal moss]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMiIsImM2IiwiYzciLCJjMTMiLCJjMTQiLCJjMTUiLCJjMTYiLCJjMTciLCJjMjMiXQ==

[wary night]

it's pretty easy to do tbh 👀 if you're aware of it
every god has at least 1 curse, and demeter has 2, so there are a ton of combinations that get you into origination very early

[tidal moss]

I would say that is the best arcana setup for you, just swap strength for death

[vital shard]

Yeah I bet
Freeze has a cooldown though so probably best not to to demeter for curses lol

[tidal moss]

Demeter always inflicts a curse, it just doesn't always affect the enemy

[vital shard]

ooooooooooooooooh

[wary night]

there's a cooldown on being frozen but not on freeze being ont he enemy for the purposes of origination

[tidal moss]

It still counts as a curse when it's on cooldown

[vital shard]

yeah i realized

[wary night]

plus like... every attack and special other than aphrodite/apollo applies a curse
so if you have two different gods on those moves (and then a cast/dash/gain with a curse if you're using apollo/aphro on one of them) then you're done 👍

[vital shard]

and with my build but origination instead of excelence i still have 2 unused grasp

[wary night]

oh edit: also heph and poseidon require a tier 2 boon to apply a curse, they don't at baseline

[vital shard]

I can see every card except the very bottom left corner so uhh

any advice for what i should be going for as i get more grasp

[tidal moss]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMSIsImMyIiwiYzMiLCJjNiIsImM3IiwiYzEwIiwiYzEyIiwiYzEzIiwiYzE0IiwiYzE1IiwiYzE4Il0=

Try this

[vital shard]

I always forget to use my casts lol

[tidal moss]

Casts are very important, should have one down at all times

[wary night]

once you have 30 grasp and every card unlocked, usually the lower left corner is a really good idea! a typical loadout would often be something like this

[tidal moss]

Swift runner over sorceress tho

[vital shard]

wait is the lower left corner card a 0 cost card?

[wary night]

I despite playing without sorceress unless I'm never using omega moves lol

[vital shard]

or do you not have it displayed in that setup cos spoilers

[tidal moss]

Only activates when all the surrounding cards are

[vital shard]

huh. gotta activate 2 0 costs to get it

[vital shard]

I haven't ever played without it and quite honestly im kinda scared of doing so

[wary night]

if you never channel then it's okay
but I love magick heavy weapons so it's mandatory for me a lot of the time
I'd sooner take off Wayward Son than Sorceress unless I know I'm never using magick

[vital shard]

I've ran without wayward son to conserve grasp. it's not as bad as most people would think at first

in the wise words of a character from one of my favorite games: Git gud!

[tidal moss]

If you are struggling tho it's probably better to have it on

[tidal moss]

Silksong reference

[wary night]

if you're doing high fear eventually you have to play with -100% healing, too, at which point wayward is useless
but I like it as a safety net, esp when learning a new boss

[vital shard]

Im only struggling on a boss. the rooms between are fine really

I took damage from enemies in encounters like twice my first time i got to the ||Mourning Fields lol||

[tidal moss]

I have clips of me beating the stuffing out of cerb if you want an example, although I have everything maxxed so it may not be helpful

[vital shard]

I'm stick to listening to your advice

thanks tho

[vital shard]

Is that the Pact of Punishment but for Hades 2?

[tidal moss]

Yes

[wary night]

yup! "fear" instead of "heat"

both Shiva and I are trying to clear at near max fear (62) right now lol, and it's a struggle
(the actual max is 67, but anything above 62 means disabling a % of your total grasp and I just don't want to deal with that. 67 is "no arcana at all" lol)

[vital shard]

Also i always forget i have The Artificer. I didn't even realize i had to activate it manually until i was paying really close attention one day

[tidal moss]

I'm gonna be running some more attempts later

[split silo]

the humble medea:

[wary night]

oh yeah artificer is weird
I love it at high fear actually since you get fewer total boons, but for low fear I always forget it exists
or it gives me like... idk, +max magick and feels barely worth it

the humble high fear circe too tbh
the humble many things
just not the humble things I enjoy playing most from 0-40 fear when I don't want to speedrun

[vital shard]

K, im gonna try this tonight:
https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMSIsImMyIiwiYzMiLCJjNiIsImM3IiwiYzEwIiwiYzEzIiwiYzE0IiwiYzE2IiwiYzE4IiwiYzIzIl0=

[tidal moss]

Yeah that's fine

[vital shard]

The Grave Thirst has picked the Skull for me

Lowkey my favorite weapon

[split silo]

i do the little thing called pushing fear with medea because i’m giga ass on anything else

[tidal moss]

Circe is way easier than medea tho

Although I'm giga ass at medea so

[split silo]

i agree, it’s magnitudes safer, i just need to actually play staff because i do no damage with it

[tidal moss]

This may be a skill issue

[split silo]

it most definitely is lmao

[vital shard]

Wait wait wait which ||familiar ||should i use?
I have ||Frinos and Raki||

[tidal moss]

Frinos

[wary night]

tbh learning to play Mel staff decently made me much better at Circe
w Circe it's easy to just rely on "haha storm ring only :)" but the damage is so much better if you're like.... using your actual weapon correctly too. go figure

[vital shard]

wait really?

[wary night]

frinos if you're dying
raki if you want to go faster
the extra damage from raki crits isn't enough to make you survive a boss you'd normally die too, but extra hp from frinos is nice

[vital shard]

honestly i forgot Frinos gave extra hp lol

[split silo]

i might do that because funny special power goes brrr

[vital shard]

The run has begun

wish me luck

Hey, so, quick question? What Hex do yall like to run if you could pick a specific one every time?

[wary night]

depends what I'm offered...?
sometimes I avoid hexes cause I don't use magick enough for them
for casual use, twilight curse and wolf howl are very nice safety tools that charge fast
if I plan to upgrade my hex a lot then stuff like lunar ray and total eclipse gets a lot better, but I never take them unless I plan to go all in

[vital shard]

fair

[wary night]

also you unlock a hex related upgrade system at some point which influences what I choose, but idk if you have that yet

[split silo]

for now i’d definitely say take all the hexes atleast once and use them, you might find a personal favourite!

[vital shard]

Seen it

[wary night]

ah yeah, then ||with godsent hexes I also aim for hexes which either 1. I already have the god for in my pool or 2. are associated with a god that's good on my current build||

[vital shard]

I haven't seen ||godsent hexs||
I think I thought you meant finding the ||upgrade tree for you hex ||as a room reward

[wary night]

ohhhh whoops sorry, hope that's not too big a spoiler 😬
tldr ||eventually after meeting all the gods in the game you get a special upgrade for each hex which only appears if you have a specific god in your pool, i.e. hestia for total eclipse, poseidon for moon water etc||

[pallid sparrow]

I can't remember, was ||Thanatos captured too? ||

[wary night]

yes, you ||can see him in a flashback + chronos has dialogue if you use Than Axe vs him about "what a shame that Death wasn't wielding this when I faced him 😌 didn't even put up a fight"||

[vital shard]

I already knew about them from yt shorts because yes

not how you got them, and i haven't read that tldr so

still don't know

[wary night]

honestly idr exactly how you unlock them, it just kinda happened for me without aiming for it
but once you have them it affects hex choice some for sure

[vital shard]

wait a second im just now realizing that enemies don't do contact damage
Why didn't i figure this out sooner this makes using casts so much less scary

[tidal moss]

Need to take everyh hex at least once

[wary night]

OH yeah, very good to know! hades is not silksong lol
also you can always cast then dash backwards to create a kinda "wall" that enemies get stuck on, which keeps you safe
even with no boon, cast is amazing for defense and crowd control, unlike in h1 where it felt barely worth using until you get a boon on it

[vital shard]

Done the wall thing actually. Swarms are scary lol

The worst part of The Argent Skull is that i'll use it's special as a dash and forget that its not my dash and take a crapload of damage

uhh rq does the cast boon for hepeastus count as a blast effect for the glow curse?

[tidal moss]

No

[split silo]

it doesn’t, only his attack, special, and sprint

[vital shard]

ah darn

welp, i now have two curses. lets see how fast the origination damage bonus melts Hecate

welp, i can confirm that Hecate melted

Is it just me or is chao's keepsake pretty good

Either way it's my favorite keepsake

Ok origination is busted

I just killed the ||Sirens|| faster than i ever have before
I also facetanked way too much because i kept using the skulls special like it made me invunerable but ehhhhhhhh I'll be fine

thank you Hades 2 discord

[sly linden]

Yeah it's a fun one
Easy free damage

[vital shard]

Ok, finally back to ||cerberus||, the boss i've been stuck on

lets put your advice to practice

[split silo]

biggest tip i have is stand behind him at all times

[cunning tendon]

I fought ||prometheus|| for the first time and damn wtf was that fight

I didnt expect him to hit me asap like that thought there would be some sort of animation

[vital shard]

I DID IT (almost) DAMAGELESS
LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[wraith torrent]

that fight was downright traumatizing

[vital shard]

I actually did it damageless but i took no damage once because of a demeter boon

Hey rq does the luckier tooth count as death defiance for the purpose of the strength arcana card?

wait nvm i don't have strength on

I... just met ||Hades||

[cunning tendon]

Coolest fight in the game so far

And wow I can ||fight with my cat||

[vital shard]

I am now at chronos. Wish me luck

[torpid vessel]

good luck killing time

[sly nova]

good luck…

[wraith torrent]

u can do it!!

[vital shard]

2 death defiance, Lift tax boon from ||hades himself||, and a sheild for the first damage i take
If i lose then its a certified skill issue

[sly nova]

oh yeah ur more than safe u got this bro

[vital shard]

I BEAT HIM
WITH 27 HP TO SPARE

HE DEALT OVER 3O0 DAMAGE TO ME ACCORDING TO THE END SCREEN
BUT I WON

TAKE THAT, TIME

...skellies' luckier tooth won me that fight... im just now realizing that
If i never put it on i would be dead

[vital shard]

hey where do you get this material called "Adament?"

[cunning tendon]

Good luck stopping time

[vital shard]

ALready suceeded
but he got back up :(

[cunning tendon]

I expected it tbh

Hades in the first game did the same thing and hes even more powerful than hades so

[wary night]

⬆️ ||region 3 of the surface route||

[cunning tendon]

I have 4 death defiances on the surface rn

Beat ||eris||

[cunning tendon]

wtf how do i dodge that

i lost all 5 death defiances in 1 fight

[vivid flare]

By being better at Simon Says

Or the critically-acclaimed MMORPG Final Fantasy XIV Online

[chilly pilot]

Woooo beat ||chronos|| for the first time, with surprising boons

Attack boons on ||circe|| lmao

||also is there any benefit to more dear than the testament requires?||

[vivid flare]

Nah

Though certain Vows, once turned on and once learned, should never be decremented. Frenzy, most notably

[cunning tendon]

Just met ||dionysus||

[woven crag]

they met ya boi Dio

[indigo wadi]

what kind of other benefit we get after give nectar to the boon?after get new item.we get upgrade rarety the boon?

[chilly pilot]

I don't think so but dialogue stuff and aesthetics

[cunning tendon]

Bro was in his underwear

[vivid flare]

Your first nectar given to an NPC (boon-giver or otherwise) will get you a keepsake from them. Your second nectar will get you the prophecy for taking each of their offerings. Anything else is just for story stuff, it doesn't affect the rarity of the offerings

[cunning tendon]

Damn how many bosses this game have

[vivid flare]

At least 1

[cunning tendon]

Lol

[tidal moss]

17 counting alternate versions

[slim spear]

||DIVINE DASH IS BACK||

||WE AIRING THIS MOUNTAIN OUT WITH THE OPPS' OWN ATTACKS||

[wary night]

it is and the dialogue after you get it is always funny lmao

||"your brother's favorite" don't call h1 players out like that lmao||

[slim spear]

||na i'm fine with the callout esp since it's hella true||

[little dust]

|| Raaah ||

[tidal moss]

Wat

[slim spear]

||PROMETHEUS YOU FILTHY ZONER||

||STOP WITH YOUR 1 FRAME STARTUP ATTACKS THAT I CAN'T ANTICIPATE- ohhhhhh||

[chilly pilot]

Have you ever thought about using a gun?

[slim spear]

what gun

[woven crag]

just go neutral with him and whiff punish him

[slim spear]

the thing is that HE DON'T MISS

HE'S JUST TOO GOOD

[tidal moss]

I think this may be a skill issue

[burnt onyx]

hi i just beat chronos with 1 fear using axe, why i didnt get n-mare?

[tidal moss]

It's a surface testament, not an underworld one

[burnt onyx]

ah got it

i want to farm n-namre

and still didnt beat thypoon

[tidal moss]

The testaments tell you which boss to target

[burnt onyx]

got it thanks

[slim spear]

testaments is a great system

despite that i don't like it

because skill issue :)

[tidal moss]

They should've made them 32f

[sly pumice]

|| I think they wanted a distinction between the highest level of fear that gives you in-game rewards and the highest level of fear that gives you a cosmetic award ||

[tidal moss]

||yeah but that's boring||

[cunning tendon]

This game deserves goty fr

But i doubt

[tidal moss]

Doesn't have the mainstream success that the other possible choices did

[cunning tendon]

Exactly

Also less ppl have played it than the other games

[tidal moss]

Yeah it's an amazing game, massive success, some of the highest reviews, but the other games are just bigger

[cunning tendon]

I played some of the other games like expedition 33 for instance and i thought hades and hades 2 are much more fun

If it's not the 2025 goty then ill just pretend it is

[wheat narwhal]

Any Tips for using the ||skulls|| ? The feel clunky and slow for me, but im pretty Bad at games so I might just use them wrong.

I basically only play the sister blades and rhe staff as off now

[steady glacier]

i will believe anything after astrobot

[short silo]

I'm assuming you only have the basic skull. Try to clump together some enemies with your cast if you can, fire a few shots before using your special to pick them up.
Your omega attack is nice against group of enemies that are not clumped enough to fit in your cast and your omega special can provide you with movement and invulnerability.
When zipping around, try to go from one side of the enemy to the other rather than front and back to avoid a welcome slap.

[shy zephyr]

astrobot deserved that award and you can't convince me otherwise

[wheat narwhal]

Thanks!! I'll see if I get mor comfortable that way!

[short silo]

You're welcome

[placid cairn]

Can anyone tell me when i should join in beta branch or after i get end credits?

[fallen kite]

Why does Weak last so little time in this game?

[vivid flare]

To work with her Legendary

[indigo wadi]

we cant use dice to change skill on hammer upgrade?

[weary tartan]

just doesn't work on hammers

only boons and doors

[vernal hamlet]

How do you unlock the || denizens of the Depths prophecy || ?

Not complete it, just get it to show up

[uneven garden]

Gift posiedon a couple of nectars and he should eventually give you the quest

[vernal hamlet]

Thanks

[upbeat obsidian]

how far in the game do i need to be to get the hidden axe aspect?

[shy zephyr]

there's more ways to stack damage resistance in this game, it used to be 3 seconds and it was just too good

[split silo]

glamour gain my beloved

[shy zephyr]

unlock the three base aspects and spend 5 nightmare on them, then you have to keep talking to a specific npc. in case you're fine with spoilers said npc is ||charon||

[upbeat obsidian]

i read somewhere that i just needed to havy any of the aspects maxed so i dumped it all on mel axe thinking that would be enough

[vivid flare]

That was pre-1.0 information

They changed the requirements

[dense anchor]

ye it needs to be non-mel aspects now

[upbeat obsidian]

wonder why info is hard to get sometimes
eh
thanks
so it goes with early access, its info keeps infecting the net way past its relevancy

[trim wolf]

can someone help explain fear and testaments? do i only get nightmare if i beat the specific boss? and what is the 'conquer the underworld/surface'? and how do i upgrade rivals so i can play with the alt bosses beyond the first guardian? thx! (the info provided in game wasnt very helpful to me)

[vivid flare]

Info's hard to get between information changing with patches and the ever-present annoyance of bot-written articles

[shy zephyr]

1. yes
2. it's for cosmetic rewards in the courtyard. the game refers to them as "gifts of the veil"
3. beat the first boss of both paths with vow of rivals enabled and also meet the thessaly miniboss ||charybdis||, the incantation to unlock rivals2 should appear afterwards

[upbeat obsidian]

geyser spout on charon axe went really hard this run

[broken cliff]

artemis has a boon that says that hex has a critical chance, if my hex is the summon last mob killed hex, does that boon transfer to the mobs's hits?

[weary tartan]

I believe so

[upbeat obsidian]

any idea on how to get my hands on raki

does "fountain rooms" mean the secret rest spots you rarely get sometimes

[vivid flare]

It should, yes. Considering the Godsent also gives the minion crit

[weary tartan]

yes, it's just rng in erebus

[vivid flare]

It does. Phial (the Keepsake that rarifies a Common) increases the spawn chance, so you could take that to make things slightly less painful

[upbeat obsidian]

i just got the hammer that makes the coat dash attack strike a ton of times; wonder wehat wwould work with that

maybe poseidon attack

[weary tartan]

go try it

[upbeat obsidian]

The answer is yes
Supporting fire as well
Nice

[remote kite]

Just bought h2 and am excited to start soon 🙂

So... hi, im dajax and i have just finished playing 100 hours of h1 and LOVED it did a 32 heat run and got close to a 10 min clear but found the post game a little too grindy.

Nice to meet yall

[tidal moss]

You'll like this game then, fear (the heat equivalent) is alot more acessible

[harsh otter]

Hi i js bought H2 earlier today. I just finished my 6th attempt and surprisingly got all the way to Chronos. Very good game

[upbeat obsidian]

Man I shouldn't have invested all my nightmare into nergal
It's fun and all but also being that slow gets me killed way more than if I had spent it on, say, Moros torches

typo of the century there

[sullen current]

I am getting close to doing the ||disintegration of monstrosity|| run and I am wondering if I should update to the patch? at what point does it improve the ending?

[dense anchor]

if you update to the beta patch you have the option to reset to a point where you have fought ||chronos and typhon|| but never have beaten them, so your ||zodiac sand and void lens|| will be removed

[sullen current]

oh

I don't want to do that then

thanks!

[dense anchor]

the new ending is worth it imo, but it's also worth waiting for the patch to come out of beta

[vital shard]

Just beat ||Eris ||for the first time
That fight was incredibly fun

(surface spoilers)

[sullen current]

is there a place in the game I should pause to wait for the patch to be out? like should I hold off on anything in order to experience the improved version?

[tidal moss]

Not really, it's still worth it to keep playing the game

[vital shard]

I have made it to the top of mount olympus
Whatever awaits as the boss, I should be prepared

[toxic raptor]

Does the boon from Apollo that increases your cast size increase the duration of your cast

[dense anchor]

no

[toxic raptor]

Alright thanks

[vital shard]

The boss kicked my ass

Indeed

[toxic raptor]

Yea he was hard on my first try

[vital shard]

That opening attack

[toxic raptor]

After that first time I died to him I’ve never died to him after

[vital shard]

my dude, let me breath

[tidal moss]

||Prom?||

[toxic raptor]

Yea when he sends the bird you gotta wait a second then dodge and after that it’s pretty easy to dodge the rest

[vital shard]

yep

[vital shard]

yeah. i mostly suffered not knowing patterns

[toxic raptor]

Yea I found him pretty easy to learn his moves

Him and sheep guy

Were the easiest bosses tbh

[vital shard]

Knowing greek mythology actually helped me with ||Polyhemus||
Knew he was blind

somehow i still died to him the first time we fought

[toxic raptor]

Yea same here

Because I know Zeus has impregnated almost everyone I was able to guess he would give me lightning boons

[vital shard]

I found the ||Eris ||fight pretty cool though. really fun

[vital shard]

Ah yes, the "Unfortunatly, Zeus was horny." card

[toxic raptor]

Yea she took abit of getting used to for me

But she’s fun

[vital shard]

really fun
I actually accidentally dodged this one specific attack after getting used to trying to be behind foes at all times

[toxic raptor]

The shotgun like shot

Or just the normal shooting one

[vital shard]

The dash with all the shots

oh wait, I found some adamant, i can finally get the last weapon!

THEY GAVE HER (basically) A MECH SUIT
This is AWESOME

[vital shard]

Is it just me or can this weapon block attacks?

if so, how does it work, exactly?

[dense anchor]

its omega attack blocks incoming attacks

[scenic arrow]

*some incoming attacks

[dense anchor]

yeah true. they didn't want another situation like the shield in H1

[fallen kite]

Does Weak stack additively with Strength?

[vital shard]

Im getting better at fighting chronos
He died way faster and i only took damage from attacks that I probably could've seen coming

granted, i took alot of damage, but still

[wary night]

assuming it works like it did in Hades 1, then it isn't additive:

Damage reductions are multiplicative. Example: a player has the following sources of damage reductions:

10% from Bronze Skin
30% from a Rank 3 Myrmidon Bracer

The player will take (1 - 10%) × (1 - 30%) = 63% damage from foes. It is a 37% damage reduction.
finding a source that confirms how it works for hades 2 would be nice, but enough things work the same way that I assume it's the same

altho idk if the tier 2 aphro boon which makes weak more effective is additive or multiplicative with baseline weak...? hm. people on the speedcord might now better, my game knowledge is more trial and error + "asking people who know better" than like... data mining

[tidal moss]

Nerd

[vital shard]

I love using Aphrodite's attack boon on weapons with short range

its so much free damage

[wind steppe]

Hello, does anyone know if aspect of supay dash boon bonus dmg boost hephestus' dash boon dmg? Nothing else in the game seems to affect it but doesnt hurt to ask

[shy zephyr]

it does
all global damage boosts such as strength and origination increase its damage as well

[vital shard]

I'm getting better at fighting chronos

This is nice

[tidal moss]

Amazing, start using antler then

[vital shard]

I was using the dissonant bell my most recent run, actually

[tidal moss]

As in jokingly or

[vital shard]

I had some blast effects from Hepeastus down to only 2 seconds cooldown that run too

[vital shard]

No, i was actually seriously using it

I procced origination with just my cast since it had both gust from demeter and the curse from Hestia (i forgot its name)

That was a good run

[tidal moss]

But why

[vital shard]

Free damage multiplier

[tidal moss]

There are other, better damage multiplier keepsakes

[vital shard]

I'm playing a rougelite
Treating hp as a resource is kinda a thing you do

[vital shard]

oh

[wary night]

dissonant bell is interesting but it's... rough
it lasts the whole run which is neat, but it comes with a pretty big downside, and meanwhile you can take a keepsake in region 4 that gives you a similar amount of damage% without a downside (or white antler which gives you way more damage with a downside)

[tidal moss]

(And white antler downside is super easy to get around)

[wary night]

I guess with Bell you could stack max HP to mitigate the downside, whereas with Antler you have to either get hit less, get armor-like effects, and/or stack dodge chance...? but still, if you're comfortable with high risk high reward I feel like Antler is the better choice over bell

[vivid flare]

Yeah uh

It isn't free by any stretch of the imagination

[wary night]

it's two free damage multipliers! :D one for you, and one for your enemies, so it's a bargain /j

[vital shard]

Just don't get hit
(I'm seeing why you say that, though, as i read these other messages)

[vivid flare]

Wastes your first region keepsake when there's far better options like a god keepsake to force a specific build, or the post-credits keepsakes, on top of the damage taken

[vital shard]

My favorite keepsake before i got the bell was the chaos keepsake
I think I like being a chaotic gremlin

[vivid flare]

You're gonna love the post-credits ones, then

[vital shard]

i still need to beat the surface, I need to beat chronos 2 more times to have enough sand for dissolution of time (dunno where to get the mystery ingredient yet but im sure i'll find out soon enough)

[vivid flare]

Also would probably like region 1 pig

[vital shard]

Seeing as i've found the kind of builds i like though, i totally undertsnad why you'd stick with a keepsake other than the bell

"undertsnad" 😭

...||Eris ||got me
Im so mad right now

[tidal moss]

Unlucky

[vital shard]

indeed

[wary night]

and after you were enjoying her bell smh 😔 ungrateful of her

[vivid flare]

Having... trouble with her?

[vital shard]

got shotgunned into oblivion

[vital shard]

No. just kinda didn't know how to dodge the shotgun blasts while she had her back to a wall

[split silo]

this was so bad….10/10

[split silo]

it’s a joke regarding her nickname for Mel, “Trouble”

[vital shard]

ooooooooooooooh lol

XD

[vivid flare]

Thanks, I'll be here all week. Tips appreciated, not advice

[vital shard]

I'm finding myself not having enough of various items for incantations
This is annoying

also. is unlocking the pool of purging a worthwhile investment?

[tidal moss]

Yes

[vital shard]

Explain why to me

please

I'm not doubting its a good idea if you say it is, i just wanna know how to best use it

[tidal moss]

Get a boon you don't want? Free gold. Terrible duo? Free gold

[wary night]

money is good
sometimes you get forced to take a boon you don't really want, OR a boon like bridal glow with a one time effect, which you can sell without removing that effect
if you need to buy a death defiance and are short 100 gold, then selling a boon is great

even just selling a boon and using that money to buy a different boon you want more is nice 🤷
it's not the most vital upgrade, but the materials for the incantation aren't super hard to get iirc, and more often than not I have 1-3 boons I don't really want during a run

[vital shard]

Eh, sure the Ingredients aren't hard to get especially with forget-me-not telling you which rooms have ingredients you need, but still

But on the other hand, that's a whole run I need to do

[wary night]

if you need them for something more important rn then it's not vital! but I appreciate having the upgrade a lot
idk if I'd go out of your way to farm for it, but when you can afford it def buy it

[vital shard]

Fair (again)
Tbh I probably just need to play more Hades 2 to solve all my problems regarding "oh no, no reagents"

[scarlet frost]

ugh the phantom in the mourning fields is so unfun

[vital shard]

which enemy is that? the one that steals your hp?

[scarlet frost]

yeah

[vital shard]

I recommend dashing behind it as it attacks. That stratagy works suprisingly well on alot of the games enemies in my experience

Doing alot of damage really fast also helps lol

[vivid flare]

Yes, as is unlocking the ability for it to show up between regions (have to toss 5 boons into the sell well before that'll show up)

[vivid flare]

Thankfully, it's being nerfed in the upcoming patch

[fathom apex]

what starting good keepsake is best for argent skull melinoe aspect?

also i wanna go to the surface but i cannot find the chaos flowers

[wary night]

do some underworld runs until you run into chaos and you should get them
and, how do you want to use mel skulls? Ω attacks, normal attack spam?

[fathom apex]

i dont know, ive never used them before, so idk whats good. i know aspect 2 is the best one but i dont have the resources to unlock it

[wary night]

Hm. If you want to do Ω attacks then I think Apollo is fun to start, to give them a huge AoE and open up his legendary boon to double your Ω attack damage

[fathom apex]

i feel like all my builds kinda suck lol, i heard buildcrafting is way more important in this game than the first

[wary night]

it kind of is? idk, I was a lot worse at the first game
I may try to flag down someone who plays Mel skulls more than I do, my recommendation is apollo but I play other skulls more, so 1 sec

[fathom apex]

no worries

[weary tartan]

I find oattack spam clunky and always end up resorting to normal attack spam on mel skulls, just be sure to special every once in a while to get ur skulls back

[woven crag]

my gameplay on mel skull is like im using a gun

[weary tartan]

mostly cause wide grin doesn't seem to work still with mel aspect

[woven crag]

attack to shoot, special to reload my bullets

[wary night]

my favorite Mel skull run was aphrodite attack + island getaway, I just worry that's hard to guarantee and kind of awkward until you get the duo. apart from that I tend to do exceptional talent spam 🤷
what's a good attack boon for machine gun skulls?

[vivid flare]

Hidden skull, you mean? Poseidon

[wary night]

oh no I just mean "playing normal skull as shoot fast then reload, rather than Ω attack"
for hidden skull I play splash or scorch

[vivid flare]

Apollo

[fathom apex]

im still working on getting all of the god keepsakes tbh

or just keepsakes in general

[woven crag]

keep at it, my guy
its the nature of rougelikes to be played again and again

each run gets you closer to your full power so i wouldnt worry too much about making mistakes, its how you learn

[thin fossil]

how do you do it?

[tidal moss]

Armour, blood spree, life tax, gale, snow queen, Hermes sprint, lovers, and skill, i can do chronos hitless it's just nice to have the others for phase skip

[thin fossil]

ohhh blood spree

is antler still restricted to 1 region?

[wary night]

yeah, between lovers, snow queen, trusty shield, gale, and epic nitro boost you can get uh. 11 free hits in a fight lol
more if you make something heroic
and extra armor means more free hits, too, + dodge chance
plus for everything but the final boss, white antler makes you do so much damage that even armored enemies usually die before they have a chance to damage you, and even if they do it's like... 1 hit

[toxic raptor]

Yea 11 free hits would be good if I didn’t get hit 30 times to rivals chronos

[wary night]

oh rivals chronos is another story
white antler for normal chronos is fine, love that, but for rivals chronos my god no I am not good enough at that fight yet

[tidal moss]

I am absolutely not taking antler for rivals lol

[toxic raptor]

Yk what now I lowkey wanna try it

Even though I’ve only done rivals chronos like 3 times

[tidal moss]

Good luck 💀

[indigo wadi]

can pet get u;\pgrade like wp?

[wary night]

yes, you can eventually upgrade your familiars, you unlock it with an incantation

[remote kite]

Omg i bought the switch 1 version💀

[remote kite]

Ha. Beat the first boss on my first run. Guess that hades 1 experience helps lol

[pliant quest]

What's the problem?

[remote kite]

There is none, i just thought i made a mistake. Free s2 upgrade

[upbeat obsidian]

It appears I am victim of a curse

I get a really painful suboptimal run with a weapon I don't really like to begin with and I win

I get a really good run on a weapon I love and I lose

[toxic raptor]

Does switch 2 run only at 60 fps?

I was gonna get it on switch but then ended up getting on pc cause having both hades 1 and 2 100% on steam would look cool

[remote kite]

Docked its 120. If i had a tv that ran at 120

[toxic raptor]

Handhelds only 60 then?

[quick fiber]

yup

[remote kite]

Yes

[indigo wadi]

is there any web to look all boon describtion?

[steel matrix]

it exists in game 🙂 play a bit and you'll get there

[dusk knot]

guys which weapon is objectively worst and best for siren?

i jsut found daggers can be hammered for casting 3 specials in a cone in dash attack and im in love with it

[sly nova]

||theres an incantation for it the more you play…||

[sly nova]

it rlly depends on the player imo…i’d prob say any axe though for the worst since you need to hit multiple enemies

[dusk knot]

i hate the axe

i cant dodge with it

[sly nova]

Unless you get that one REALLY GOOD HAMMER for axe it’s the worst weapon for anything imo

[indigo wadi]

did on future that we can put our inventory item before enter last boss stage?

[dusk knot]

what elements are good for combo? all i know is frost lightning

lmao jsut found uh oh

WOAH I FINALLY DID IT

sirens rekt, daggers op

[dense anchor]

aspect of ||charon|| is goated, I won't take any slander

I think it's really only ||nergal|| that requires the one hammer to make it "good"

[woven crag]

i like ||thanatos ||and mel axe :3

[sly nova]

||i cant debate that i rlly like doing the omega cast stackimg… 😔 u got me lol||

[dusk knot]

hey i can only use on hammer effect?

it gave me the same one after second hammer so i picked thinking it would fire +6 instead of +3 but it doesnt

[pliant quest]

It shouldn't give you the same hammer twice

[vivid flare]

Nah, that's the knives and by a huge margin

[dense anchor]

me when I don't play aspect of ||the morrigan||

[vivid flare]

Hidden Knives are its own moveset, untainted by the sins of base knives

[dusk knot]

are the wands actually the best with the beyblade aspect?

[vivid flare]

Hidden torches? No, it's pretty agreed-upon that Moros is the best

The problem with hidden torches is that nothing they do staggers enemies

[dusk knot]

also what are gifts for?

[dense anchor]

to progress NPC storylines and also get their keepsakes

[dusk knot]

ahhh nice

im not sure if im mistaking aspect for hammer effect

is it called that lol?

which one is best for torches?

[vivid flare]

Aspects are weapon variants

[dusk knot]

uh oh

i only know about the things you get in the paths

[vivid flare]

Each weapon has 3 base aspects (Mel and 2 others) and a hidden one

[dusk knot]

bruh alr

when do i unlock this? i got to the fourth zone

[vivid flare]

You'll get the incantation after Hecate gives you the right dialogue for it. Which I think requires you to have fought her with each of the first 4 weapons (staff, torches, knives, and axe)?

[dusk knot]

oh alright

i think i already have

weird

[vivid flare]

Well, check the cauldron

You're looking for "Aspects of Night and Darkness"

[dusk knot]

oh thanks

[upbeat obsidian]

I need to figure out how to always get the hestia fireball
My casts only feel good when using it, hate dropping it at my feet

[wise knoll]

It’s very build/aspect dependent for me; most of the time I prefer dropping the cast right on me and actually dislike the boons that launch it, but other times they help a lot

[sterile magnet]

Lightning lance and howling soul are both better than hestia fireball

Oh Im in the wrong room lol

[real osprey]

I like Hestia fireball on cast with Aspect of Persephone. It is neat to build Olympian damage, and if I get Hestia/Ares duo... Yeah, it builds quick

[upbeat obsidian]

It's a feel thing for me
Lightning Lance doest feel that good
Howling soul makes the cast stick to an enemy and I feel like doesn't slow them anymore

So hestia is the only one I like

[sterile magnet]

Sticking to the enemy iswhy howling soul is so good. Cast stuck in chronos = he's always in it to take the damage.

[upbeat obsidian]

I just dont like it

[scenic arrow]

unless you miss 🙁

[wary idol]

OMEGASP

[boreal sable]

i uh
question
i know this must be a thing but i have no clue how to get to it
how do see the boon lists in my journal?

[wary idol]

there's an incantation for it

[boreal sable]

ah
so i uh
when do i unlock this incantation ig?

[weary tartan]

I think you have to gift all the gods you can or something like that

or maybe it's just x gifts

[wary idol]

yeah all the gods and chaos

according to the wiki you also need to have opened the journal at least once but that's barely a requirement lol

[boreal sable]

well then
i wanted to take my time with that but i guess theres no helping it

thanks for the info

[shy zephyr]

much later than h1
you have to gift every olympian, including the one that appears when you reach ||the final boss of the surface path||

[boreal sable]

oh god nevermind
ill hold off on my elixr then
ty

[fallen kite]

Is Blitz good? I feel like it procs too slow

[wise knoll]

It’s incredibly good; with the right setups it basically procs every attack for incredibly frequent damage procs

[fallen kite]

If the attack that applies it deals 120 damage, does it proc immediately?

[split silo]

yep

as long as you do 120 damage, the only thing hindering blitz proc is the animation of the lightning cloud “erupting”

[fallen kite]

It usually takes a sec for it to proc. Can another instance of bligz be applied while the animation plays?

[split silo]

no, the animation has to end, then you can reapply blitz and then pop it again

[fallen kite]

I see feels kinda bad tho

[stiff tree]

Yo i have the weapon zagreus gave me and now am at the part he cant hear me she says i got to save him, olympus first

Does that mean i first hav eto defeat typhon?

[dense anchor]

yes

[native pagoda]

i unlocked "reviving a mournful husk" what it do

[dense anchor]

it lets you use the ||golden trees in asphodel to find the rewards faster||

[native pagoda]

is that the 3rd area?

[dense anchor]

yeah

[tidal moss]

5 times yes

[stiff tree]

I HAVE TO DEFEAT HIM FIVE TIMES?

I CANT EVEN DEFEAT TYPHON ONE TIME BRO WHAT

[dense anchor]

yeah. check your incantations to confirm

[stiff tree]

AM COOKED

[dense anchor]

you'll be fine. if you've defeated ||chronos|| you can defeat ||typhon||

[tidal moss]

If I had a nickel...

[stiff tree]

Yall good build plz for ez win

[tidal moss]

Which weapon?

[stiff tree]

Any tbh

[dense anchor]

aspect of ||moros||, ||hera|| on attack and ||zeus on special||

easy win

[tidal moss]

Easy win build I can confirm

[stiff tree]

Im gonna try ty

[stiff tree]

Playstyle? like what things do ihave to watch out for

[native pagoda]

i cant seem to get moros rn who should i gift? im holding 5 nectars

i gave one to skelly already its so useful but i want to try someone else who is good as well

[tidal moss]

Dora is good for survival

[tidal moss]

Always be using o special and holding attack

[stiff tree]

Omega?

[dense anchor]

omega special then hold the attack button. use the ||origination arcana card||

[dense anchor]

I give up

[stiff tree]

Bruh im stupid i just realized

[tidal moss]

This one is a bit special

[stiff tree]

Wait what did the origantion do again am mid run?

[void tide]

2 status curses on an enemy give more damage from all sources on that enemy, +50% at max rank

[stiff tree]

Yall
+1 Special orbit
20% faster orbit speed
attacks knock back and +10 power

[tidal moss]

Hidden helix

[stiff tree]

WHY DO YOU KNOW THE NAME?

do you all use selene often? my dad doesnt but i do

Because i have no idea atm to choose it or not

[tidal moss]

I don't

[tidal moss]

I know the name of most hammers and boons

[stiff tree]

Yay i finished first boss

[weary tartan]

do u mean the weapon or selene boon/hex

[stiff tree]

boon

[weary tartan]

ah

im a big hex fan

[native pagoda]

what shadow extraction do?

[weary tartan]

I think just make shadow right?

which is an ingredient for some incantations

[native pagoda]

yea by that i can make witching-wards which idk what it do too

[tidal moss]

Basically adds an entire other route for you to run

[weary tartan]

dont the incantations have descriptions

[native pagoda]

should i get it now? or is this late game thing

[tidal moss]

Do it asap

[weary tartan]

it's sorta integral to transitioning to "" "mid game" "" if you wanna call it that

[native pagoda]

is this timer in mins?

[weary tartan]

yes

9/7/5 min per region

[native pagoda]

such a weird thing to do ngl never played a game that puts a timer

[tidal moss]

It's not a big thing to work around most of the time

[weary tartan]

and it doesn't instantly kill u either

[native pagoda]

the hub feels smaller than 1 is there a way to expand it like before

[tidal moss]

The hub?

[weary tartan]

it's similar sized I think

[native pagoda]

crossroads

[native pagoda]

feels smaller to me idk

[weary tartan]

tbf u don't start with everything unlocked in the crossroads

there's like 2 areas at least that u have to unlock later

[tidal moss]

I would say it's bigger than the house

[native pagoda]

aha

it felt small i knew there is more

[upbeat obsidian]

just gift them all once anyway
its really useful to have the god keepsakes for wwhen you want a specific god for a boon

[boreal sable]

it is and i have the ones i want already
im just tryna pace myself and go deeper rather than winder

[remote flame]

What does fear do? I added a few things and have 4 fear, completed the underworld again but don't know what that did for me.

[verbal steppe]

fear earns u those purple fearskulls n wit those u can upgrade ur weapons or get new 1s

[dense anchor]

yeah you get ||nightmare|| as rewards which can be used to upgrade your weapon aspects

[remote flame]

is there an ideal amount? Like did 4 not do anything?

[dense anchor]

check the ||oath to see how much fear is required and which boss you need to kill||

[verbal steppe]

there’s like a bounty board n u can see how much per each weapon

[remote flame]

hmm ok, I will look

[verbal steppe]

^

[bold ore]

Medea or Persephone currently considered better for the Skull? I need to max one of them to unlock the hidden aspect

[wary night]

medea skull is currently considered the single best weapon in the game period lol, at least for speed runs and a lot of content
I don’t super like playing it tho, and both skulls are strong, so upgrade whichever you enjoy the most imo

[vivid flare]

Medea is stronger but works well out of the box, Mom needs the upgrades more

[wary night]

that too ^^ if you plan to use both then mom skull will feel better with upgrades despite being weaker overall

[vivid flare]

It's something I like to differentiate because it's the case for a lot of the alt aspects, where one's stronger mechanically but the other wants the upgrades a lot more

And then there's the knives

Technically speaking, Artemis knives don't need the Nightmare for its main mechanic, but neither do the way you tend to play post-nerf Pan knives

[bold ore]

and good boon picks for Medea?

I guess maybe Apollo?

[tidal moss]

Zeus special ares attack

[bold ore]

hmm alright, will give it a go

I haven't played much with ares

ah I don't even have his keepsake yet 😂

I played a bunch in EA but I think he was added later and maybe wasn't very good initially, can't remember

[tidal moss]

He's typically considered the worst god but is the best in some very niche situations like this

[vivid flare]

Zeus special, Aphrodite or Ares attack

[bold ore]

Thanks for the help!

[sly nova]

i also get double strike along with zeus special and occasionally static shock

[pallid sparrow]

What does ||Frinos do as a companion? He's sorta just sitting around ||

[vivid flare]

Gives max HP as his passive and blocks shots

[pallid sparrow]

Ah, ty

Oh he also calms ||shades down||

[queen pendant]

Uhh quick question but how does the || aspect of morrigon || work

[dense anchor]

you want to try activate ||blood triad a lot|| and it just so happens that its omega attack is very strong and lets you get the final 2/3rds of the way there. my playstyle is to special -> hold attack to activate it (since omega attack is queued after a regular attack)

dropping casts is also good to keep in mind

try it out on schelemeus to get a feel for it

[pallid sparrow]

First ||Chronos defeat, used Black Coat. ||I however will say I like a lot more of the weapons in 2 than I did 1, I think I swap between them all except for the axe, I just can't use it

[indigo wadi]

what happen if i sell the boon the make one of my boon turn to heroic.did the boon that become heroic will get downgrade?

[scenic arrow]

nope

[indigo wadi]

okok

[vivid flare]

No, though getting it rarified will give the linked boon more levels

And you can't re-acquire it once sold

[scenic arrow]

too bad, I want to get bridal glow like 4 times

[indigo wadi]

what trigger/situation to us to can upgrade the pet

[tidal moss]

Have you unlocked all 5 familiars

[indigo wadi]

still 2

[tidal moss]

You need all 5

[indigo wadi]

okok

last night when i fight chronos.there is item like anvil n i just buy without read the discribtion hehe .what is that

[scenic arrow]

lose a hammer, gain 2 random hammers

[indigo wadi]

ooo okok

how about the ticket

[tidal moss]

Ticket?

[indigo wadi]

obol pooint.it said must readeem it in our base.but where is charon stash

[tidal moss]

To the left of the broker

[indigo wadi]

i even dont know what broker look like :v.help

[shy zephyr]

bottom left of crossroads

[indigo wadi]

its the same room with the weapon?

[scenic arrow]

no main crossroads room

[tidal moss]

To the left of the cauldron

[indigo wadi]

on the bridge?

[tidal moss]

Not the fishing pier

[indigo wadi]

the one close with green slime right?

[sonic rock]

Yes

If you are talking about charon delivery service

[indigo wadi]

okok ty

[tidal moss]

https://imgur.com/a/66Fri79

[indigo wadi]

okok

[sonic rock]

How did you even get to chronos without every touching the broker 💀

[livid granite]

Just don't die 😄

[indigo wadi]

i always use it but never read the name.prob bad english is the main reason hehe

[sonic rock]

Bro might be just that cracked at the game because you need the broker for psyche

[sonic rock]

Ohh I see

[tidal moss]

This game doesn't do translations to English all too well lmao

[sonic rock]

So what you are telling me is that hades 2 is not perfect

[livid granite]

hmm I am somtimes wondering what certain boons do exactly, because of the wording

[tidal moss]

My favourite is that wayward son translates to b*stard son in Portuguese

[tidal moss]

No game is perfect

[sonic rock]

LMAO 😂

[sonic rock]

Hm 🤔

[tidal moss]

This poor guy was trying to ask about it the other day and he kept getting censored 😭

[sonic rock]

Lol

[livid granite]

Man, I just died on the final seconds of the final phase of Typhon, it was like my 2nd time getting there too lol

Kinda annoying you can't see a hp bar

[indigo wadi]

There is a clock and numbers there. ror example the number is 16. ow does it work so that the number decreases?sI just be afk?

sometime i just lazy do dungeon thing

[livid granite]

I think the number is simply the number of encounters that have to pass

[indigo wadi]

ooo okok

[tidal moss]

Yeah do a run and come back

[livid granite]

You can do some fast chaos trails if you need something quick

you can do a bunch of them under 3-4 mins

[tidal moss]

You can roughly go by the phases, roughly halfway is were ||zeus||shows up, then when he throws out eggs for the second time that means he has 38% health left

[livid granite]

Yeah, I just read the wiki

found out I was at the end of phase 4 lol

[tidal moss]

Ah ok yeah

[livid granite]

T_T he was bleading all over, bullithell on the screen everywehere

bleeding*

[tidal moss]

Rough fight without good dps

[livid granite]

Yeah I was running thanatos scyth with hypheastos attacks, had the cooldowns pretty low so just evading and smashing lol

But i need to think of a better build for that fight

[indigo wadi]

did hestia n hepaestus still the best option for highest single basic atk dmg?because I rarely use the y and b buttons

[livid granite]

mobs were pretty quick, but bosses not too well

[tidal moss]

You should be using cast all the time (the glowing circle on the ground)

[tidal moss]

I'd recommend circe or moros

[indigo wadi]

i torch user n so far i enjoy using basic atk only.maybe depent on wp?

[frail hill]

How many hours does it take the average new player to reach true ending? I have 10h or so on switch 2 but haven’t won a single run after > 20 nights…thinking of buying a second copy on steam just for the mod potential

[livid granite]

Ah cool thnx, not a fan of those weapons tho, they are only lvl 1 for me both lol

I might have to try them

[tidal moss]

Specials are really important on torches, I can record some gameplay if you want

[indigo wadi]

sure2 if u have the time

[tidal moss]

Fair enough, you're probably sticking with than axe then, what build do you normally go for

[indigo wadi]

i have been 25hr gamplay n still figure out to defeat last boss surface hahaha

[tidal moss]

Yeah i'm almost home so i'll post some clips in roughly an hour

[indigo wadi]

okok

[tidal moss]

Do you want me to do a surface or underworld run

And what aspect

[frail hill]

Okay I don’t feel as bad. I felt like I have to be complete garbage to not have a single win yet

[livid granite]

I switch it up every run, artemis is pretty insane dps tho, the scyth just looks badass, so I gotta play it obviously

[frail hill]

I’m not alone I guess

[indigo wadi]

surface will be good

[tidal moss]

Nah that's normal, some people don't beat it till 30-40 nights

[indigo wadi]

zeus

[tidal moss]

Mel torches?

[indigo wadi]

mel?

[tidal moss]

Zeus??

[indigo wadi]

oo i mean the first one

[tidal moss]

Artemis is rough on surface

[indigo wadi]

melinoe

[livid granite]

oh no, i just saw my first win was at 81 lmao

[tidal moss]

Yeah i'll run that one

[indigo wadi]

okok

[livid granite]

I haven't tried artemis on the surface

[tidal moss]

It's good against prom cause you can block his flame strikes

[livid granite]

I've been farming underground mostly for materials, now I need to do surface, also for the pacts

[indigo wadi]

me 80 .feel insecure right now haha

[tidal moss]

Everyone is different 🤷‍♀️

Got my first clear at 13, only cause I played so much of the first game

[livid granite]

Wait which weapon blocks proms flames?

[tidal moss]

Artemis parry

[livid granite]

He's kind of a pain aswell, lots of running

[tidal moss]

Have you made it to typhon?

[indigo wadi]

just try hades 1 on my friend pc.n i notice one thing.hades 1 we can deflect but no at hades 2

[livid granite]

ohhhhh, yeah I'm gonn ahave to try it

You can if you get athena on the surface

[indigo wadi]

yes

[livid granite]

use her keepsake and roll for dash

[indigo wadi]

i stack at that boss

always struggling after zeus shot that boss

[tidal moss]

Yeah he's hard at first

[tidal moss]

That's halfway

[livid granite]

I sutrggled hard the first 2-3 times ar chronos too, now he's just easy

I'm sure I can beat typhon pretty good once i get his moves down

[tidal moss]

Same with all bosses, struggled super hard at the start and now I can hitless them both

[livid granite]

chronos is a breeze with artemis lol

[tidal moss]

Having the block for the instakills is super funny

[indigo wadi]

u know the prametheus boss.when he use skill to use remember the pettern.i struggel in that to sometime.any tips

[livid granite]

I used the freeze cast on him when i block his attack then just stack backstab dmg and crit xD

[tidal moss]

Pause the game and write the patter down, or say it out loud

[indigo wadi]

hahaha ok ok

[tidal moss]

Demeter cast my beloved

[indigo wadi]

did the pettern alaways the same when we met the guy again?

[livid granite]

Yeah i like it alot too

[tidal moss]

Different every time

[indigo wadi]

okok

[livid granite]

first 2 patterns easy to memorize, 3rd one always gets me xD

[tidal moss]

'What if we made the cast slow enemies even more and also do damage'

[livid granite]

my memory tends to increase the less hp i have lmao

Maybe I should only run the strength card

[livid granite]

Yeah it's pretty cracked

[tidal moss]

Strength is always better under 45-50f

[livid granite]

I see, I've not cleared higher than 8 rn

just farming mats for all the weapons etc

[tidal moss]

Unless you're turning on scars, (which you shouldn't) strength is good

[tidal moss]

Ah fair

[livid granite]

I did 1 run with strength I think and surprisingly I never went below like half hp with Ares his leech boon

[tidal moss]

With the amount of healing you can do, it's really easy to use strength (unless you really suck at a boss)

[livid granite]

probably better to spend those 4 points in more dps and speed

Can't die if there are no monsters right?

[tidal moss]

Exactly

[livid granite]

I had heroic speed from apollo at lvl5 the last run, zooming through xD

like +46%

[tidal moss]

I love apollo sprint

[livid granite]

Yeah it's great with hermes his boon

[tidal moss]

Hermes is also super good

https://imgur.com/a/gWVOnSW @indigo wadi

[azure narwhal]

Anyone else feel like ares needs some kind of rework to be more viable as a main god?

[tidal moss]

Nah he has his niche

[azure narwhal]

I dunno man, at the very least the plasma system needs some kind of buff, I never find him to be useful at high heat unless I'm running charon

And that's only for the one omega boon

[tidal moss]

Plasma sucks, but he's good for speedruns, and several boons of his have massivly helped me at high fear

https://imgur.com/a/WsDLP2E @indigo wadi

[indigo wadi]

u not use.idk what it call.uhhm macro right?

[tidal moss]

Macro? nah

[indigo wadi]

okok

u not record the last boss?or still in progres?

[tidal moss]

I'm doing it now

[tidal moss]

https://imgur.com/a/mQ5EUnv

[vivid flare]

He needs numbers buffs more than a rework

[tidal moss]

https://imgur.com/a/pyXFEzj @indigo wadi @livid granite Hitless typhon fight

https://imgur.com/a/b60gPC7 and the victory screen

[vivid flare]

Oh, Mel torches, not Moros

[livid granite]

Nice one, I am going for a run with the Selene suit right now, just F6 to clear the first statue

[tidal moss]

Nice

[livid granite]

I forgot to grab some magick regen tho, gotta get that somewhere lol

Kinda ran out on the cyclops fight xD

[tidal moss]

You really need the magic on selene

[livid granite]

First time using it, damage is good tho, so high hopes

And yeah some of Ares his boons are pretty nice to just have on the side

I've tried to get all of the plasma boons together with the duo boon that carries over plasma charges, but I took some in the wrong order i think and got the wrong ones

[tidal moss]

It's the worst coat aspect unfortunately

[tidal moss]

Plasma is just mid in general

[livid granite]

ahh the worst? meh

i like is better than mels suit so far ngl lol

[tidal moss]

It's not bad the others are just better

[livid granite]

I see

I learned from hades 1 it kinda sucks running aspects below max level, so I'm just gathering nightmare now

It works somewhat, but it's just not the best experience

[tidal moss]

The game really opens up with all max aspects

[livid granite]

Yeah I figured as much, so far I am finding it easier to level them in 2 than in 1

I enjoy the resource gathering aspect together with boss rewards, as opposed to just killing the same boss all the time for the same rewards

[tidal moss]

It is a good system, and it gives more nmare now than it did in ea which is nice

[livid granite]

eh, how many encounters is oceanus till the boss? I got a heroic chaos boon that disables my cards for 7 floors lol

Can't find any info in the wiki

[tidal moss]

You're screwed

[livid granite]

damn, it boosts special dmg by 92% tho lol

it's F2 I might rawdog it xD

Although 92% isn't too high, I think i've seen like 120$

%

yep, 2 left and I'm at the boss lol

xD

[indigo wadi]

btw ty for make the video I really appreciate it 😄 @tidal moss

[tidal moss]

Any time

[stark leaf]

Does the physical edition come with anything?

[wise locust]

Physics

[carmine rock]

hexes cant win 😭

oops sorry for the accidental reply ping

[eager wraith]

hexes have been winning for some time now

[tidal moss]

They're perfectly fine, I just don't like to invest in them when I can get more powerful builds for less, plus I find them just not fun to use

[harsh otter]

Hi i'm new and i just got to Chronos on my 6th attempt and now am back in tartarus on my 7th. Is that weird or is this game just kinda easy

[tidal moss]

You've barely started the game dw

[harsh otter]

ok i assumed so but it was just that compared to the previous game, getting to the "final boss" was a lot harder

[tidal moss]

You have experience from the first game, plus there is a heat system, called fear, and another more difficult route you will probably enjoy more

[carmine rock]

yeahh some hexes just feel like they break the pace of the gameplay

please stop everything you are doing to use dark side

[harsh otter]

ok thx guys

[tidal moss]

Dark side is considered the worst

[tidal moss]

Especially cause when I am playing a magic heavy aspect it's like i'm stopping and doing less damage for a few seconds

I love my Shiva too much to bother with hexes

[stiff tree]

Yall i need a good and easy build to defeat [typhon] does anybody know one?

[stark leaf]

Which god grants the biggest attack boosts (% based) other than Aphrodite

[split silo]

In order its aphro, apollo, and then ||hera||

||hera|| is the only one out of the 3 that also has a status curse

[stark leaf]

Ah k thanks

[wise locust]

Anything works. If you're having trouble beating him, your issue isn't damage, it's evading his attacks properly

[stiff tree]

I always lose my first deffiance at the 2nd boss with adamant rail (forgot name)

[wise locust]

Eris

Again, same issue, learn to dash through her whenever she's not launching bombs and you'll realise she's not that tricky. Just very punishing if you mess up

[slow beacon]

When I'm holding the Attack button with Umbral Flames, are all the attacks in my combo affected by Channel speed or only my Omega attack?

[wise locust]

okay so

the first flame in the attack is always a normal, and from then it starts charging an omega

whenever mel tries to fire a regular attack, if the omega hasn't charged yet, she fires another normal attack and the omega keeps on charging

once the omega is charged, it waits until mel next fires an attack and makes that an omega

[slow beacon]

Ohhhh so the omega will just happen more OFTEN in the combo!

[wise locust]

yes, with sudden burst, the sorceress and Racing Thoughts, you can make all attacks except the first an omega attack

[slow beacon]

Oh wow, intense

Okay - thank you!!

[wise locust]

assuming you have no regular attack speed ups

which, due to the weird steppy-ness of this system, can speed up or slow down the actual rate of omegas you fire

[slow beacon]

Rightt, that makes sense

[boreal sable]

i uh
i may be dumb
but i dont see the extra aspects of [one of the weapons] ||xinth|| in the pool
is there something i have to do to unlock them?

[wise locust]

3rd or 4th?

[boreal sable]

like any

[scenic arrow]

you need to use it first

[boreal sable]

yknow what? fair enough
time to give chronos a whoopin

[wise locust]

Oh and to complete the story here, with Eos you are actually charging up that omega shot from the moment the first flame fires, even though the charge meter is hidden at first

it's still counting and scaling omega channelling modifiers from that first shot

[slow beacon]

I guess, one more clarification - when you say "other than the first shot" do you mean that, if buffed enough, while holding it effectively EVERY shot will be omega because the charge is faster than the animation?

[split silo]

yep, gets to a point where it’s very silly

[slow beacon]

amazing

[tardy zealot]

How does kings ransom work? If I have 3 boons of Zeus and one of Hera will all 3 lvl up by 4? 8 if I have 2 Hera? Etc etc

[split silo]

exactly like that, yes

[tardy zealot]

That's insane so you can focus Zeus and get one bs hera for fun and just lvl them all up by 4 mid run? Wouldn't that take care of needing to Pom for like a lot of stuff?

Idk I'm trash at this game ✌🏼✌🏼

[split silo]

yeah, going for and targeting a king’s ransom run is very fun and strong

[tardy zealot]

I see people target like one specific boon for a whole run and it doesn't make sense to me but I guess that's how to do it.

[vivid flare]

That's more of a #h2-story-discussion or #h2-patch-preview question than one for here

Since this channel isn't technically for story discussion

[heady turtle]

Okay thanks

[stark leaf]

Does the physical edition come with anything?

[livid granite]

gotta love it when an epic bridal glow hits your main attack skill early in the run

[livid granite]

Is there a special meaning to doors with arrows floating around the boon symbol?

[sly nova]

higher rarity usually

[livid granite]

ahhhh I see, thanks

[onyx spoke]

If my keepsakes are all lvl 3, does Cherished Heirloom do anything?

[livid granite]

you get level 4

[wise knoll]

Yes, actually! It takes them to a secret level 4 that's only accessible via the duo

[onyx spoke]

Nice!

[wise knoll]

Similarly, if all of your arcana are maxed out via moondust, Circe's boon that upgrades arcana will upgrade the chosen one(s) beyond the normal moondust cap (eg. Origination now grants 63% damage instead of 50%)

[sly nova]

u can also do a similar thing with hephs leg when it comes to weapons….

[sly nova]

i never knew this until now and i have over 200 hrs 💔

[livid granite]

oh no, is there a way to cancel the skull special attack? I had to get into the small spot to not insta-die in the final fight, but my special just kept zooming lmao

I tried dashing, but it did nothing xD

smh I had so much dmg I allmost do 30% of his hp in one combo

T_T

[scenic arrow]

you mean your omega special?

the special is basically the same distance as a dash, not too long

[livid granite]

Yeah, except with persephones skull it just keeps flying sometimes, I couldn't stop

[scenic arrow]

persephone skull, when you charge up the bar, your next omega special will be extended

the bar is charged up with olympian damage (lightning, waves, freezing, etc.)

[livid granite]

Yeah, I just planted my cast at his feet and charged my skull, then he fired off that instant kill attack lol

Not sure if it's the first attack he does everytime, don't think so

[scenic arrow]

it is

[livid granite]

Ah damn, that's my bad then

I was basically blasting him to pieces, so I didn't consider that lol

good to know though, thanks

[scenic arrow]

if you get him below half health you'll skip it though

[livid granite]

hmm, not sure if i had the dmg to hit 50% hp, pretty close though

maybe with a lucky crit

[woven crag]

so this oceanus rng i have is kinda ass
im trying to do the fates quest ||and i got narcissus and nemenis in back to back rooms
does the moros death revive counter reset or does it ignore the npc rooms||

ok wait never mind i can just do the chaos trial

[tidal moss]

It resets

[fallen kite]

That feeling when u reach the summit with zero origination

[shy zephyr]

why even do judgement run 😔

[twin hatch]

Because of the funny

[fallen kite]

look i had bad luck :(

Got zeus strike and poseidon special... except that was the only time poseidon showed up... ever... so no froth

[fallen kite]

With the total eclipse hex, the upgrade thatmakes you deal 5% more damage when u use it. Does it stack with multiple uses of the hex?

[shy zephyr]

nope, once per encounter/location whatever it says in the description

[fallen kite]

Sounds like a scam :(

[fallen kite]

How strict is Hestia’s boon that gives you extra damage for enemies that are alone?

[split silo]

very

you can safely assume its only active when it’s only 1 enemy in the room and you’d be right 99% of the time

[fallen kite]

crying

[native pagoda]

is the surface a late game thing? cuz i assume there is something that wont let me get damged overtime

[split silo]

not late game, but you’d be right, you’ll soon get an incantation that let you get through it

[native pagoda]

i will do it after finishing ||Tartarus||

[wise knoll]

I'd consider it more "mid-game" I guess, but yes you will eventually be able to stay up there without immediately dying

[wary night]

if you're having trouble making progress in the underworld, doing some surface runs may actually help tbh since you'll be able to gather new resources and unlock new incantations and weapon/arcana upgrades
you can do them in whichever order you want, though

[native pagoda]

what the boon survive does from echo?

[sly nova]

give u death defiances u lost back

[wary night]

"survive survive survive" refills all the death defiances you lost
the first DD it refills will be a bit more potent than a normal DD, but additional ones will slowly get weaker. the big thing is just refilling death defiances tho

[tardy zealot]

Beat typhon for the first time yesterday, no fear, but got no nightmare, didn't realize I won't be getting that with surface clears.... if I clear the underworld for example on 6 fear when I haven't cleared any fear at all yet, will I get 6 nightmare? I'm not sure how it works

[wary night]

you get nightmare for defeating a specific boss with a specific weapon, so if you aren't using the right weapon (or fighting a boss there's an open bounty for) you won't get any
it isn't like hades 1 where you got titan's blood from specific bosses

[tardy zealot]

Dang man I have every Mel aspect maxed out and I need to start getting nightmare

[wary night]

when you're opening the vow/fear menu, look on the left, and you should see portraits of bosses + the required amount of fear + the weapon you need to use, it starts at 1 fear I think
also you fairly quickly unlock the ability to buy one nightmare from the shop after each run

[tardy zealot]

Buy one nightmare from shop? You mean at chronos final shop for 1k????

Btw thank you

[wary night]

no, from the shop back at the crossroads! :D with bones

[tardy zealot]

What incantation is that? You mean just the normal shop? I've never seen nm in there

[wary night]

you can only start buying it there after you've gotten enough nightmare from defeating bosses, I believe...? but you eventually unlock it, and then you can eventually order it with charon cards
there are a lot of ways to get it

I don't think it requires a specific incantation, the wretched broker just starts stocking it at some point once you've gathered enough through other means

[tardy zealot]

I have 6 chronos clears, one surface clear, half the arcana fully maxxed and only need those 3 post credit keepsakes

What's the best way to get nm

Bounties?

[wary night]

yup! bounties for sure

• a lot more fear is "free" in hades 2 than heat in hades 1
  you're likely already clearing fast enough to turn on timer 1 or 2, hubris 1 is very free, menace isn't too bad, etc etc

[tardy zealot]

Ye I watched boated fear guide last night so that's today's thing... I just don't know if I should worry about that before clearing surface a few more times to actually "beat" the game

Cause I want that jewel Pom

[wary night]

I think turning on some fear before beating the game is a good idea, may as well gather nm while you progress the plot 🤷
it's fun to play with more aspects, and some of them only really get good with upgrades

[tardy zealot]

Kingggggg ty ty appreciate you

Or queen

[wary night]

welcome and good luck with your clears!!

[native pagoda]

is all the golden tree in every room?

[wise knoll]

If you’ve used the incantation there should be one Golden Tree in every Mourning Fields room, yes

You can find them by following the path of scattered golden petals on the ground

[twin hatch]

Sometimes it's right against a wall and hard to notice

[slim spear]

Olympus route spoilers ||it's typhon. Oh Gods, it's Typhon.||

[shy zephyr]

[slim spear]

I'm genuinely afraid for the Olympians now

I thought all this while "oh they're just cowards"

[polar laurel]

Just another fight, just another fight

[broken cliff]

is there any tricks on using the artificer arcana

or can I just spam it on the rewards of the first region and be fine

[scenic arrow]

you'll be fine

[shy zephyr]

you can keep one charge for fields. when you're in the room with the second hammer of the run, use it on one of the minor rewards there. it has a chance to become a hammer, letting you have three for the run

most people still use all three charges at the first possible rewards because the early boost in power is better

[broken cliff]

that's a good trick

[icy rose]

is there only 2 weapons in the whole game

not saying like a bad thing i like it either way

[shy zephyr]

no, there's 6

[icy rose]

okay

what game engine and coding language is the game mainly made on (unity, gamemaker, scratch)?

[scenic arrow]

homemade one

theyve been working on the same one since bastion, I think

[icy rose]

ig the devs are just aura farming

[scenic arrow]

theyve been using and modifying it for 14 years as a smalle team so

[icy rose]

lemme guess its a quake mod?

[scenic arrow]

who knows lol

[icy rose]

all roads lead to quake

oh okay i found in a steam thread yeah hades 1 (before release) used XNA/FNA/Mono (idk) which was discontinued so they scrapped it by release and used other frameworks and stuff and then made their own engine

[wise locust]

You can run doom on hades

The third episode where you go to hell gets a bit weird though

[fathom apex]

Best arcana to upgrade first? So far I’ve maxed death and that’s it

[dense anchor]

origination

[upbeat sedge]

Death, furies, wayward son, origination, persistence imo are the biggest bang for your buck for an early game save

[dense anchor]

big up persistence

[fathom apex]

Also what god keepsake should I start with for melinoe torches? My usual keepsake setup is start with god, go to vial to upgrade a boon, then pin

[upbeat sedge]

Hera

[proven gazelle]

Uhhhh kinda any works well with mel torches but hera will be standout yeah

[fathom apex]

I don’t have hera unlocked yet so might just do Apollo

[proven gazelle]

Hera and Zeus can go on everything and just murder things

[fathom apex]

Just now growing the chaos flowers

Or I could go Zeus

[proven gazelle]

You can do like Zeus on special then a % on atk like Apollo or aphro yeah

Just about anything works tbh as long as you get origination active

[fathom apex]

I don’t use special much on torches, idk I can never get it to work good

Just doesn’t feel like a lot of damage vs just holding attack

[proven gazelle]

The idea is you do the omega then just space yourself properly so it spins and hits, takes a bit of getting used to for the spacing but it should be on at all times if possible

[fathom apex]

Ah okay

Just unlocked testaments, any early recommendations?

[proven gazelle]

The timer one will be super easy, wards depending on the weapon, imo debt is pretty easy

[fathom apex]

Should I try to get the weapon kills on bosses right away or just use the weapons that give extra bones

[proven gazelle]

Id say the weapon kills on bosses so you can stock up nightmare for when you need it, bones are super ez to get anyway

[fathom apex]

Gotcha

What weapons want ward and which don’t?

[meager mauve]

The rule is multi hit weapons would treat ward like nothing but weapons like the axe or non hidden skull will struggle as they operate with low hits but big damage

Shadows is also a freebie in my opinion. It makes mini boss duplicate but it’s not too bad beyond that

[fathom apex]

Do I max all the freebie ones or just do one level at a time

[wise knoll]

Typically I’d consider Time to be free (at least 2), as well as maxing out Menace, Shadows, and Hubris (though maybe not 2 if using a magick heavy build). Return is annoying but doesn’t make enemies noticeably harder.

Generally stuff to avoid early (or at least not take high levels of) are things that make enemies more lethal (eg. Pain and Frenzy) or more punishing (eg. Scars)

Rivals is also a tough transition at first, and will feel like a big difficulty jump, but if you’re planning on pushing higher fear, it’s good to get used to it early on while your total fear is still low and eventually be able to treat those versions of the bosses as standard as you add more on

[scenic arrow]

one tick of most things is pretty reasonable like debt 1, scars 1, pain 1

[wise knoll]

Also do not take Void; losing arcana hurts more than you’d expect it to