h2-for-new-players

[vivid flare]

They're the variants of the 6 weapons you'll unlock, it's from relevant Hecate dialogue

[soft jolt]

feels so weird to set up arcana for fate's whim runs

its either you gotta run dd +strength or just not have the queen active

[vivid flare]

I mean, Queen not being active isn't the end of the world

[wary night]

tbh doing non queen set ups is fun, you get to benefit from so many 1-3 cost cards at once which you don’t when you’re running queen

feels weird to let go of it but also lets me use a ton of cards I never rly did before

[soft jolt]

tempted to just slap on judgement and send it but thats def not optimal lmfao

[tidal moss]

Queen is overrated

[soft jolt]

i just like playing with the queen, feels like my god choices have more impact

[vivid flare]

Nah, do that and mom skull

Maximum gambling

[soft jolt]

i see that, its kinda just some fun insurance for lower fear shenanigans - what r u running for fate's whim

[tidal moss]

https://imgur.com/a/lekGqMC

I'll swap huntress and time for night/excellence/artificer

Depends on what i'm playin

[vivid flare]

There an argument to be made for Excellence over Boatman?

[tidal moss]

Not really

[wary night]

only that it’s fun sometimes lol
and I guesss ||you also get more than enough gold with chrolex||, but granted that’s only in regions 2+ and boatman mainly helps in region 1

[tidal moss]

I never really take rolex

[primal trench]

Chrolex is a new one to me and I love it 😭

[vivid flare]

Spoiler tag that

I should not have to explain why

[upbeat sedge]

people try it, but i think overall boatman is stronger

I like excellence though

[mild canyon]

the damn sirens r so hard to beat bruh'

[tardy cloak]

just siren weewoo or smth idk

[mild canyon]

sir

[vivid flare]

Focus the drummer

[mild canyon]

thats what ive been hearing

[vivid flare]

Fight gets a lot less chaotic when she's no longer spawning the ground AoEs

[indigo cloak]

what part are you struggling with? seconding beating up Roxy for sure

[tall kernel]

can someone explain how the coat block works with omega attack?

[indigo cloak]

You hold attack to charge, and you'll block things from the front until you let go/omega reaches max charge and fires automatically

Some things are unblockable, typically stuff like waves that spread across the ground

[tall kernel]

what about projectiles? What about every swipe that isn't a ground ring?

wish you could old it instead of auto fire.

[indigo cloak]

I think p much every standard projectile is blockable, but not sure on swipes

Unfortunately I won't recall until I try to block it and get hit 😞

[tall kernel]

wish it was basically the shield from hades 1... oh well.

[broken cliff]

if I get a boon that breaks ||fates whin|| do I lose ||the boon from jeweled pom||?

[woven crag]

||yes, jewel pom stays active for the entire night as long as you dont break fates whim||

[torpid vessel]

when you break Fate's Whim you simply just lose out on the bonuses going forward, it wont retroactively take things away from you

[woven crag]

oh wait i missread the question
reading comprehension

[woven swallow]

I just finished Hades 2, I bought it as soon as I could but I decided not to play it until its early access was finished, and I am very satisfied, it is a masterpiece, I already had the feeling that it would be an excellent game because I played Hades 1 but god... exceeded all my expectations, GOTY.

And sorry if my English is bad, it's not my first language.

[fathom apex]

i played early access a while ago, but i dont remember much, should i just make a new file?

also whatre the best things to unlock early? weapons, etc

[onyx spoke]

Is there any reason that I would keep seeing the same 6 or so gods every run? Like I’m on my prob 20th run, beaten Chronos once, and yet have only seen a handful of gods.

[indigo cloak]

Have you gone upstairs yet? If not, then you only have 7 possible gods I believe: Demeter, Zeus, Aphrodite, Poseidon, Apollo, Hestia, and Hephaestus

[onyx spoke]

Ahhh maybe that’s the issue. I did go up but not very much.

Like 3 runs total died very quickly.

[indigo cloak]

||Hera|| comes into play with your first death upstairs, and ||Ares|| after seeing the final boss upstairs so I think it might just be your luck

[onyx spoke]

Haven’t seen ||Hera|| once yet…. Weird

[indigo cloak]

Probably start up a few surface runs and see what happens

[onyx spoke]

Will do. Thanks.

[nimble bloom]

( no spoilers)

man, so i do i did some underworld run with a volcanic strike (melee go boom for 400 dmg) , with demeter growth, and then i had sea star with poseidon and like i my growth went into volcanic strike which got it to heroic, and all my pom's happen to also be kind enough to be go into volcano stike, getting to 2 second cooldown, and so after modifiers i was exploding sheet for 520 every 2 secs ontop of my melee attacks. 29 min clear....

I tried to force the same build on surface run, made it to last boss, got the same stuff, no poms went into vol strike, no growth into vol strike, I had like some stupid 500 hp build but did no dmg, made it last boss and it took 56 min to get no clear LOL

This is why you shouldn't try to force builds haha

[toxic raptor]

It do be like that sometimes

What weapon were you using?

[topaz compass]

im gonna kill eris

[toxic raptor]

And also 56 minutes is insane 😭

[toxic raptor]

She’s fun tbh

[topaz compass]

she is a character

[toxic raptor]

Are you struggling against her

[topaz compass]

she hates me every run because im too goated

by the point im in the final boss encounter im taking +60% damage and i just die in a hit or two

[toxic raptor]

Oh your talking about her boon

She’s only there for the first like 10 runs I’m pretty sure

[nimble bloom]

yea sorry i needed a shower after that 56 min run, with 500 hp and no dmg, the 2nd run i was running the last weapon you get, but it's not like i was running a good weapon on my 1st run in the underworld, the skull

both are kinda bad, not like the blades or the something

[toxic raptor]

The blades are probably the worst weapon 😭

Nah but I enjoy them tbh

So you haven’t unlocked aspects for weapons yet have you

[nimble bloom]

not really, just started getting them, i got some of the base aspects up to level 5 because those reagents are easy to get.

[toxic raptor]

Btw volcanic strike or really any of the core boons from wheelchair guy are not really good

[nimble bloom]

I know, i hate him, i'm typically going for Poseidon/ Aphrodite /Appollo espeically for the primary attack slot, for example, i think poseideon can work well on the daggers due to speed, or the torches, especially if u get the thing that makes ur omega cost +5 and do an extra dmg + the splash on attacks, that's golden, Aphrodrodite is good on anything u need to be up close on, so not torches or or skull,

and the Appollo is like aprodite but no upclose restriction but gives u size instead, so i kinda of like him on the base staff, but I'm gonna be building whirlwind axe soon, i got the base axe to +5 and it's very hard to use like that, meaning using the axe base attack combo's unless you get lucky with the hammer, and you get the one that makes ur last swing double hit,

[toxic raptor]

If you want a pretty alright build which I used on daggers in my first few runs having Aphrodite on special and then just spam omega special whenever next to the enemy it also shredded bosses and I had the scorch attack on my primary even though I barely used it it would come in handy sometimes and then Demeter on cast just helps overall

I’m not sure what duo boons you could go for with this build but just those on there own worked a lot

Also one more tip don’t feel like you need to stick to the same 3 or 4 gods mixing it up is fun as hell

[sleek idol]

I don’t understand what ||suppress the ability for chronos to prevent you from pausing your Vow of Rivals confrontations|| means. It’s an incantation.

[toxic raptor]

If you try pausing mid fight he won’t let you and there’s a hex that also lets you slow down that does not work against chronos unless you do that incantation

[nimble bloom]

does it say hex's like phase shift under it?

[sleek idol]

Like… literally pressing the pause button?

[toxic raptor]

Yea

[sleek idol]

Lol

Never tried pausing. That’s kind of funny.

[toxic raptor]

Yea happened to me on my first try cause I was stressed

Then his like yea nah your not allowed I control time

[nimble bloom]

the one we're thinking of is called " temporal fluctuation"

[toxic raptor]

Also it says “vow of rivals” so I’m guessing you already got the incantation for his normal boss fight

[toxic raptor]

Yea

[sleek idol]

Yeah, I’m in late game

[toxic raptor]

Yea so you already can pause and use time slow moves against his normal boss fight but if you fight his vow or rivals fight rn without that incantation you can’t pause

[sleek idol]

What happens if you try to pause? Anything funny?

[toxic raptor]

He says a voice line about him being the controller of time then it just unpauses

[sleek idol]

Lol nice

[nimble bloom]

anyway im making some food then im getting back to gaming, good luck guys,

[wary night]

they can be if you build around them! it’s just kind of all or nothing. with some poms levels and a couple duo boons I’ve had blasts do over 400k damage in a single run, which is uh. a lot more than most things do.
but if you aren’t planning to focus on them they’re underwhelming for sure

[polar laurel]

They're super underrated despite not being amazing

[wary night]

like this run: #h2-victory-boasting message
they start out as one blast every 12 seconds, but end up being 4 blasts in less than 4 seconds and often over 1000 damage per blast. highly recommend trying a run focused on them some time, it’s very fun

[polar laurel]

I wonder if they're good on artemis knives special

[wary night]

the run I just linked had them on mel knives special lol! idt artemis will let blasts crit, but still, it should work. heph doesn’t care what weapon you use tbqh

[polar laurel]

Heph doesn't care about anything, he's exactly equal on every weapon

[wary night]

if anything I guess ||persephone skull|| gives him a slight boost, but that’s subject to rng
and other weapons can match that with some extra poms or rarity

[indigo cloak]

heph is great for his defensive stuff: Trusty Shield, Heavy Metal, etc. are stuff I'm always happy to see

I miss Mint Condition

[wary night]

me too… security system isn’t even bad, it’s just not nearly as good lol
but it’s saved some runs of mine so I can’t day I dislike it

[robust flame]

speaking of,
||chronos unpausing your game|| didnt happen to me but ive seen a lot of clips of it, whats going on with that

[thick ice]

They took it out in 1.0

[wary night]

he used to be able to do that. late game spoilers ||iirc he still can in his rivals fight...? but I believe an incantation disables it so it hasn't happened to me, I may be wrong||

[thick ice]

He can’t even then, ||but he does have some dialogue if you do pause||

I’m 75% sure I did that yesterday

[wary night]

||doesn't he have the dialogue even in non-rivals?||

[thick ice]

||he might||! I didn’t check

[wary night]

eh either way, I either disabled it via incantation or it no longer exists. was neat tho

[polar laurel]

They took it out a while ago

Olympic update I think

But honestly I have no idea

[thick ice]

Not neat. Painfully stupid lol

[wary night]

that makes sense that it's never happened to me lol, I started in olympic update

I mean I think it's a neat interaction lol, just sucks to lose a run over it and it makes sense to remove it ||since punishing you for pausing if your cat jumps on your keyboard is dumb, even if messing with time is rly cool on a thematic level||

[thick ice]

Absolutely. Super, super dumb, the ||current way is rad. “Oh heck!” Moment, but then everything is fine||

[vivid flare]

He does, yes

[wary night]

aha so that does still exist, I thought it did but wasn't sure
ty for confirming

[tidal moss]

Nuh uh

[hollow moss]

I just did a 16 heat run in the Underworld with the starting weapon...did I waste my time? Or will I recieve the rewards from the Testaments when they eventually unlock

[wary night]

you don't receive rewards for raising your fear beyond the listed amount on the testament, or for testaments you haven't unlocked yet
good practice tho 🤷

[primal trench]

Heph cares about persephone

[crystal ruin]

is there something you have to do unlock being able to craft Witch's delight, I'm 30 night in and still don't have the recipe

[primal trench]

Conversation probs

[vivid flare]

You done any Chaos trials?

[crystal ruin]

I have not, that might be it

[vivid flare]

That would be it, since that's the main source of ingredients for them

[silver summit]

As a new player I feel like scorch is really insane when starting out, like my damage capabilities skyrocketed once I started using, compared to other boons

[tidal moss]

Scorch is very good yeah

[vivid flare]

It's something that'll only get better as you get access to more forms of damage boosts

It's boosted by all forms of global damage ups, and is considered an Olympian effect, which lets it work with some boons you'll unlock later on down the line

[mint frost]

bout to fight ||Typhon|| for the first timer

AWESOME

i think i was very close there

[hard zenith]

I found ||typhon|| much more easier than the previous guardian. It took me 5 tries to get past ||prometheus|| and 2 tries for ||typhon||

[wise locust]

Typhon's attacks are a lot more predictable but punishing for failure

you get hit by the tounge laser and it's 70 damage

everyone gets suckerpunched by the backsweep laser on phase 4 once, but it's really obvious from there onwards

[fickle carbon]

I swear I can dodge his chin slam this time!
loud incorrect buzzer

[wise locust]

Dodge away you fool! away!

stop trying to iframe 3 overlapping expanding hitcircles

[fickle carbon]

I can dodge through it! Gotta get that damage in!!

[wise locust]

Yeah, Typhon does punish you for hubris

[fickle carbon]

I can make it, I can make it!
Time cannot be stopped.

[wise locust]

"I can just DPS through this, I have the HP to tank it"

[primal trench]

dies

[wise locust]

If you ever want your eyes to boggle, try to make sense of prometheus' scripting though

guy's got so many different states

different moves, move variants, different move selection scripting for each phase, evade logic, during unrivalled he has two entire modes he tag teams with

[fickle carbon]

I haven't used that vow yet

Ba dum tss

[wise locust]

slap

[fickle carbon]

Whats the weird thing Prometheus does where time slows for a sec and a big whoosh comes?

[shrewd salmon]

ok but what if i do it

thats like half a second extra dps time

[glacial dove]

what's the best weapon?

[shrewd salmon]

||mel staff||

[wise locust]

foresight

[glacial dove]

big claim

[shrewd salmon]

very much subjektive opinion tho

[wise locust]

you really can't

[fickle carbon]

What does it do?

[fickle carbon]

Morrigan my beloved

[shrewd salmon]

I continue to believe

||eat damage||

[shy zephyr]

objectively it's ||medea skull|| but it needs a ridiculous amount of practice to perform, the easiest weapon that is simultaneously very strong is ||either circe or mel staff||

[shrewd salmon]

one of these days im sure ill get it

[glacial dove]

||||Medea Skull!?||

[wanton plover]

||narcissus| never left and visited echo in my run and im on run 126 post game, done the fate endings, how do I trigger it||

[wanton plover]

for me ||aspect of circe||

[shy zephyr]

it holds the speedrun world record and also was the first aspect to clear ||max fear||

[shadow linden]

aspect of Beowulf the second coming, two times world champion most overtuned aspect

[mint frost]

||Revaal|| imo

[twin hatch]

Wrong game

[wise locust]

no, that's the joke

medea is like beowulf

[twin hatch]

Huh

[wise locust]

and is also top aspect

loads up attack instead of casts, still charges into enemies to detonate them

[hard zenith]

if i max out artemis aspect on blades but keep using the mel one, do i still get the hidden aspect?

[wise locust]

yes, you don't even have to have blades in hand all when you talk to artemis to get the phrase

[hard zenith]

thank you!

just like h1 default aspect on blade is my fave one lol

idk why theyre not starting weapons even tho theyre all over covers

[wise locust]

they look better in the promo art but the staff is a more straightforward starter weapon to understand

giving her the staff in the promo art would make it look like the game is about casting spells rather than bonking with a weapon

[shadow linden]

Medea is one to one in design with aspect of Beowulf shield, only you load skulls instead of casts and can't block

which is why it's funny that effectively the same aspect is the top tier in both games

[twin hatch]

Oh, so I won't play it either

[shadow linden]

I mean you will at least once for the bearing dark gifts prophecy

[slim hawk]

Can somebody give me a minor spoiler on how to find ||the three fates|| ?

[split silo]

and it almost became even more like beowulf where it had a specific bug that only medea skull benefitted from it lmao

[shadow linden]

of course

[primal trench]

Keep playing the game and keep checking the fated list of prophecies

[split silo]

||check your fated prophecies, after getting the true ending you’ll see one of them has updated||

[slim hawk]

I did see || melinoe wil find the three fates|| other than that I don't know what youre talking about. Will open up the game when I get home

For context, I beat underground and overworld once both right now

[wary night]

if the prophecy doesn't give you any more specific hints then you can't do it yet
it's VERY late game
edit: ah yeah, you're not close yet

[slim hawk]

so I just need to beat chronos more often then>

[primal trench]

Just keep playing the game, especially talking to their emissary

[wary night]

yeah, just focus on progressing the plot and accomplishing other goals
when you can work on ||finding the fates|| it will be obvious by looking at the fated list, check it when you feel like the main conflict is resolved

[slim hawk]

ah good to know. feels weird, given the game tells me ||the three fates|| are the main issue right now

[split silo]

what does the relevant prophecy tell you right now?

[slim hawk]

I need to get home from work to check 🙂

[split silo]

yeah that’ll tell you where you’re at and what you should do next

[teal ember]

after v1.0, does ||taking more than testament fear requirement|| give more ||nightmare|| as rewards?

[split silo]

it’ll give you ||the reward for the listed amount of fear on that weapon only, so if your only goal is to get nightmares, the easiest way is to do exactly that fear amount||

[teal ember]

imagine im currently in ||2 fear req, if i take 4, and my 4fear boss is after 2 fear boss, do i get the rewards?||

[shy zephyr]

nope, can only do 1 testament per night

[primal trench]

You get the rewards for your current testament

Even if you do max fear

[teal ember]

thought i can reduce the grind by finishing 2 in 1 run :"

[primal trench]

[split silo]

sadly not, what you can do to speed it up i guess is to intentionally die (not undo night) after beating the boss that gives the drop

[primal trench]

Remember to die

[hushed oasis]

How to unlock the door that is back at the spawn

[foggy axle]

Back and to the left? There's an incantation for it. Leads to the ||fishing pier||.

[shy zephyr]

that's the ||fishing dock|| incantation should unlock naturally as you gift people and progress

[hushed oasis]

I see

Yesterday I killed Cronos and I thought that more things will unlock, but not really no

[twin hatch]

The game is more spaced than that, so you don't get much on first clear

[hushed oasis]

So I have to kill many times Cronos to unlock things I assume

[twin hatch]

Yup. And advance relationships, talk to npcs, unlock stuff that unlocks other stuff...

[hushed oasis]

Dayum

I mean it's good to have more things to do

But until I have a good run with nice buffs I will last forever lol

My chances of getting a decent buff it's 0,01%, plus, my weapons feels like garbage tbh

[spiral remnant]

how many prophecies do I have to complete to progress moros' romance?

[glacial dove]

what night is everyone on?

[primal trench]

Easily over 200

[wise locust]

1000+

[dense anchor]

139 I think

[cobalt herald]

142

[frigid tapir]

dumb qn but does the skull's omega special grant damage immunity while you are using it?

[vestal mica]

do someone have an idea on how to unlock familiars? the option to unlock them doesn't pop up

[fickle carbon]

Yes, fully charged and only while flying, not charging it

[sterile spruce]

||Random chance to unlock when you fight hecate I think ||

[primal trench]

who makes these up

[nimble bloom]

i tried looking this up online 1st but im having time getting answers, so i got my 3 base familiars, ||frog bird cat||, i unlocked the ability to make extra cookies, and i made like 9, and i finally decided to start ranking up my pets, can't seem to figure out how... do i have to go unlock ||gale|| and the ||hecuba|| 1st before i start ranking up or something?

[merry lantern]

I think you do

this might need some spoilers tag though i'm not sure

[nimble bloom]

sure

[quiet dragon]

Can Exceptional Talent not copy Aspect of Eos's Omega Special?

I'm looking at it right now and it only says Omega Attack

[fossil galleon]

When does aspect of Persephone’s bonus level increase trigger? Tried it for a few runs now, even maxed it out but boons are always base level

[wanton plover]

help, ||narcissus mever visted echo yet and im done with the fates ending basically 😭 ||

[wise locust]

it cannot copy any torch ospecial

[stable sable]

Hi Everyone!
I’ve reached Cronos 2 times and I still haven’t been able to unlock familars (pets). I beat Hecate so many times too! Is there something I’m missing?

[wise locust]

treat the frog

next to where you appear in the crossroads

[stable sable]

I’ve pet that frog so many times lol

[wise locust]

need the incantation to make treats

[onyx oracle]

Yo just have to keep meeting up with hecate as the 1st boss

Eventually it will unlock the trigger

[stable sable]

The faith of Familars incantation has never popped up

[stable sable]

Forreal? I swear I beat her so many times

[onyx oracle]

Well not enough I guess,
A bunch of time gated stuff

I beat Chronos and the surface boss before I got a familiar

[stable sable]

Ohh wow so it’s random… I guess i should see if a certain dialouge comes up and keep quitting or what is best?

Also, now that you beat Cronos, what keeps you playing?

[onyx oracle]

Fun

[onyx oracle]

Idk, aside just keep on going to her

[stable sable]

ok so it all depends on the dialogue? Shoot i thought i was doing osmething wrong 🤣

[wise locust]

there's so much more to the game than beating one of the end bosses once

[mellow condor]

I am stuggling with the axe any good builds for the axe?

[stable sable]

first hades game hehe 😄

[wise locust]

Dashing Heave hammer upgrade

[mellow condor]

i am not familar?

what does it do?

[vivid flare]

It's very simple: take a percentage attack (Apollo, ||Hera||, Aphro) and go to town

[wise locust]

Makes your dash strike trigger twice and have AoE

[vivid flare]

Also, using special will reset your attack combo

[mellow condor]

yeah but even then the damage is quite low

[mellow condor]

i did not know that

[wise locust]

melinoe axe has big bonus power, so it's not low at all

it's quick and has bonus power, roll with it

[mellow condor]

thats the blacksmith right

[wise locust]

Daedalus hammer, not haphestus

[mellow condor]

oh got it

[wise locust]

for your Strike, you want something with a nice big +% damage

apollo, aphrodite, hera

[mellow condor]

I got nova strike thats good right?

[wise locust]

very strong choice

Bigger axe swings so you can swipe from safer distances

[mellow condor]

who gives the upgrade to allow to move whlie using magic attacks

or charge attack

[wise locust]

that's hammer upgrades again

basically gods don't offer boons that affect how your your weapon actually works, only generic ones like "all omega specials launch an extra fireball", Hermes and chaos can affect general attack speed and channelling time

stuff that changes how your weapon functions are done by hammers

[mellow condor]

yeah attack speed sounds nice

[wise locust]

there's also Rapid Hack, which is a hammer upgrade that shaves 30% off your attack swing time and that is very cool for mel axe

[mellow condor]

between apollo and hestia which is a better choice?

i already have nova strike from apollo

[wise locust]

Hestia is okay, avoid taking her for flame strike, but you have that slot filled so it's fine

apollo will let you get blinding sprint etc...

[mellow condor]

i ahve zues cast for thunder damage

[wise locust]

mmm, hestia isn't going to give you that much then

take apollo and see who else shows up

[mellow condor]

I took hestia cause i did not see your message i chose special scorch

the scorch does help a lot tho

psychih wirlwind or seething maurauder which is better?

[thick ice]

Which omega should I be using to trigger ||blood triad||?

[vivid flare]

Psychic, generally

[vivid flare]

Attack

[thick ice]

Should I max out my ||Hel||?

[quiet dragon]

How does Freeze interact with Guardians?

[upbeat sedge]

It makes them move slower, but they do not get stunned by it like normal enemies do

[quiet dragon]

Does that stack with Gust's slow at all?

[upbeat sedge]

I believe so?

[quiet dragon]

Alright, thanks!

[scarlet sentinel]

anyone know the requirements to unlock familiar ||skins? i heard max out 1 familiar and talk to circe but there isnt much info on it||

[upbeat sedge]

You need all 5 maxed

[civic sparrow]

how random is it to get ||Darkness||? i'm on my 47 night and i just got one for the first time and i just completed ||my 14th Chaos Trial||

kinda frustrating aint gonna lie

[vivid flare]

Well, it's considered the "flower" for Chaos rooms, so if you've got Gale unlocked, take her for a spin to up the spawn chances

[polar laurel]

seriously? flower? i guess it makes sense?

[languid badge]

Low-key adore Hestia and her boons

[autumn flare]

@upbeat sedge sorry for tagging but you've been very helpful in the past, can you point me to the direction of a good skull build?

I don't need much, a few key points and I can usually optimize the rest, I haven't figured out that many good things myself so far though

Any aspect, I just unlocked all of them

[upbeat sedge]

Uh, medea is probably the strongest aspect in the game, very different playstyle to the other skulls though.

Do you want a build for that or for base skulls?

[autumn flare]

I like strong

I have medea maxed but couldn't get it working

Or well I picked a poor hammer, the one that loaded them all at once

[upbeat sedge]

Okay so medea is mostly about learning the playstyle, as the aspect is so strong it can work with basically anything

You want to press attack -> special in quick succession to load 1 skull and then ram it into the enemy immediately

The faster you do this the more movement you have and the more damage you do

Watch a speedrun or high fear clear for how that playstyle looks in action

[autumn flare]

Yeah I realized I had made a mistake with the hammer the next room I played with it

Completely kills the momentum

[upbeat sedge]

For boons, Zeus special is the strongest core because your special will apply blitz and then your attack will explode and immediately proc blitz

[autumn flare]

Oh special happens first?

[upbeat sedge]

Yes

[autumn flare]

Nice, good to know

[upbeat sedge]

You also want origination obviously

But the aspect is flexible enough to play with literally anything because a built in +90% damage boost is just that strong

[autumn flare]

Origination goes without saying

I don't play without it

[upbeat sedge]

The other important thing is that safety boons are more valuable than normal

[autumn flare]

Any strong duos?

[upbeat sedge]

You already deal absurd damage without trying and the aspect does damage by running into enemies face first so defense is good

You should try specialing into enemies from the side if possible to avoid melee hitboxes

But you will still probably get hit sometimes unless you are cracked

[autumn flare]

Yeah that I have noticed

It doesn't block like the shield does in h1 =D

[upbeat sedge]

Freeze and snow queen from demeter are both great for safety

[autumn flare]

Also doesn't matter if you put deflect on dash because it's not a dash

[upbeat sedge]

Armor from heph is also great, especially trusty shield and the boon that gives temporary armor for 7 sec

Most enemies will be dead after 7 seconds because the aspect just does great damage

The aspect does not need magick at all so feel free to prime

Best hammer is possessed array, in which case you will actually need to pivot to lots of magick if you see it early (born gain optimal)

If you do not see possessed array or see it too late, I think colossus driver is probably the next best hammer

Melting tackle and boosted ignition are also good i think

Wide grin is horrible and is a trap to take

[autumn flare]

Yeah that's the one that I noticed, And it was the first one I tried xD

[upbeat sedge]

Just the generic strong duos, nothing that synergizes specifically

If you start Zeus for example, all of his duos besides Apollo are good

But part of that is just Zeus being broken

[autumn flare]

That makes sense

Hey thanks a lot! I think I can get a lot done with this

[upbeat sedge]

Imo medea is one of the most fun aspects once you learn the playstyle

Its also really broken strong

I had a 32 fear run with medea where I took 10 damage the entire run

[autumn flare]

=D

[upbeat sedge]

(A bit fake since I had armor and snow queen but still)

[autumn flare]

I think the trial of precarity kind of summarizes the aspect

You start the trial with 4 boons in cast and zero boons for attack/special, it's still faster to do the attack + special pattern

[mild canyon]

Finally beat the second level god dammit

[vivid flare]

Heinous Affront if you go Ares attack over Aphrodite

[frosty hawk]

Hey quick question is ||N-mare|| only used for ||upgrading aspects|| or is there any other use? Since I have the need to hoard it but I feel like it might be better to use it asap

[vivid flare]

It's only for that, IIRC

[wary night]

there are some other uses but imo none of them are as important as ||upgrading aspects.|| you can spent it on some cosmetic stuff for instance, which like... there's no rush to do that 🤷
I'd say get as much as you can, but don't be stingy with spending it to upgrade things you actively use

[frosty hawk]

Aight great then, I assume it's plentiful compared to titan blood in the original hades?

[vivid flare]

There might be a Hidden that requires you to spend some for the actual weapon unlock (and not just its prerequisites), but it's just for weapon upgrades otherwise

[south peak]

Well guys can you explain me how the game works ?
Like is it an infinite loop or..what im supposed to do in order to advance ?

[vivid flare]

You'll know when you've won a run because you'll get a big "Victory!" screen after clearing

[inner spruce]

It also is used for a few cosmetic things, like the nightmare forms for your familiars.

[south peak]

I started h1 first but since its almost the same gameplay
I lost against a girl in a boss fight i think it was the 16th chamber
Was i close or..?

[frosty hawk]

no

[vivid flare]

No, that was just the first region's boss

[frosty hawk]

The game has a pretty clear-cut progression, you can't really miss it

[vivid flare]

Also she's the protagonist's ex, and I recommend #h1-for-new-players

[south peak]

Man that boss fight was so hard.

[south peak]

Alr alr noted

[keen agate]

Spoiler needed please. I;m finishing Fates Prophecy quest and at the stage where I "need to know better ||the rebel against the gods" Which I assume is Prometheus. To advance this do I need to meet him alone or with Heracles? I already Done EM Prom 3-4 times and more times before that solo. Also I got Heracles checkd off on that Fates list already.||

To reiterate to advance Fates Prophecy - do I need to focus on meeting ||Prometheus in his solo version or the hard EM version?||

[vivid flare]

Either should work

[wary night]

you can also progress boss dialogue in chaos trials for the associated region, which is faster than doing a full run

[hard cave]

I just managed to meet ||Athena|| in ||Olympus|| for the first time. Is ||Stalwart Stand|| ok to take if I'm using the Torches? ||no aspects yet||. The no magick I feel like is gonna ruin me lmao

[tidal moss]

I would advise against it

[hard cave]

oki thanks :3 the ||essentially unlimited DD|| was tempting me aha

[tidal moss]

Dd's are overrated

[hollow moss]

When should I be using Special with, for example, Mel's staff? It feels like mashing Attack and Omega Attack does more damage

[proven gazelle]

Well your best damage sequence pre boon stuff is dash attack-> attack -> special and mostly you just use special for that until you get some hammers leaning more into it

Like the uhhhh double special shot hammer or like the power shot one is super nice and makes it a more centric damage option

[fringe tendon]

Hey, whats the best aspect for heph legendsry boon?

[tidal moss]

||Morrigan||

[hollow moss]

LMAO I never knew that, gonna try that out

[proven gazelle]

Its the same sequence you use on sword in hades 1 funny enough, its just very quick and so it pumps out solid steady damage and gives much more freedom of movement unlike charging an omega

But like ofc once you get boons and hammers going itll get outshine fast

[coarse grove]

guys, what is best blessings for axe of thanatos?

[tidal moss]

Apollo attack

[coarse grove]

any more?

[tidal moss]

Not really, just go with whatever and you'll be fine, just setup origination and start swinging

[true parrot]

Does anyone know if ||the boon Primal Psychic Connection received from Circe, restores the death defiance uses from Toula the cat upon picking it up?||

[vivid flare]

||Nergal||

[vivid flare]

Hera, Aphro

[vivid flare]

It gives you another, IIRC

As in ||"if you see Athena later and get her DD refill boon, you'll have 5 total to play with"||

[true parrot]

ah alright, thank you

[coarse grove]

aight bet

thank you

[vivid flare]

Could also go ||Ares if he's unlocked for Heinous Affront memes and Grievous Blow gambling||

[jovial flax]

I can't get Night fall to come up for Ares Lance to save my f**kin life
Is it bugged>? I've ran 15 runs starting with the hilt now...
I'm serious
Further context I only have 4 achievements left until I 100%

[onyx spoke]

Uhh so something weird has happened in my playthrough and I don’t understand why.

I’ve never met ||Hera|| in my game yet. I’ve gone upstairs 4 or 5 times, then got the ||incantation to survive there|| and I’ve made it all the way to where ||Athena|| is introduced.

Any reason this could have happened?

[mystic copper]

Could be just terrible RNG

Took me a few runs up top post-cure for her to show up

[onyx spoke]

I thought it was automatic after first death upstairs.

[azure yew]

should i finish hades before hades 2? :v

[weary tartan]

all godsents need a boon of the corresponding god for the godsent node to show up, at least i think thats what the change was, and it works retroactively

so starting hilt is the play

[jovial flax]

except I CANT FIND night fall even though I have before.

[weary tartan]

it's with the selene coat

[upbeat sedge]

yeah night fall is the exclusive selene coat hex

just play selene coat, start ares keepsake

[proper tiger]

What keepsake do I pick before facing Prometheus? Ghost onion or knuckle bones?

Ended up picking knuckle bones

[glad panther]

id say complete base story

epilogue will take a long while

[azure yew]

alrighty 🫡

[jovial flax]

HOLY SHIET
thank you

[toxic raptor]

Ok I’ve talked with Selene while wearing her aspect 10 times now the aspect is maxed and I’m talking to her boon NOT bought from the shop and she still hasn’t given me the secret aspect am I doing anything wrong?

I’ve done 3 runs at the surface and 7 in the underground

[tidal moss]

Just keep trying

[toxic raptor]

She’s commented on me wearing the black coat 7 times 😭

[vivid flare]

It's exclusive to the Aspect of Selene

[woven crag]

Question for the ||Fates quest: do I have to die for real with moros trinket on or do i have to die then get revived?||

[versed salmon]

what does the little paper icon mean going into a new room?

cost me that run, ugh

[toxic raptor]

It’s a mini boss you haven’t killed yet

After killing all the mini bosses there’s a fated prophecy that you finish

[versed salmon]

thank you

trying to get these ingredients are hard lol

[fallen kite]

So does Froth activate for every tick of damage? So it works well with gusts, prominence flare, etc right?

[wary night]

it has a % chance to activate, but yes, pretty much any damage can proc it! gusts are very good with froth
I believe the main exception is scorch, and the damage from the hestia + poseidon duo. everything else can proc froth just fine

[fallen kite]

i see...

so the chain lightning from zeus is good too?

[wary night]

yup! and weapons that hit fast, and splash... a lot of things work well with it, it's a neat status condition
you can also boost the % chance for it to activate with the success rate boon from hermes

[fallen kite]

btw, how generous is the distance for Hestia's boon where you deal damage to isolated foes?

[sly linden]

Silly question but regarding upgrading familiars, you're able to upgrade the 3 parts of each familiar right? You don't get locked out of one if you max other one or the other?

[scenic arrow]

yup, they max out at level 10 (+4, +3, +3 levels)

[sly linden]

Gotcha. I assumed so but thanks for confirming 😄

[fallen kite]

Do Extended Family and Ares Infusion affect Scorch damaeg?

[vivid flare]

They do

[hollow moss]

What's the max fear a Testament can ask for?

[vivid flare]

20

[hollow moss]

You think buying Nightmare from the Reagent Market is worth it for faster progression or nah?

[lofty nexus]

i mean youre going to need extra nightmare to buy some stuff and for some incantations , but id focus on maxing out arcana , from there on out just buy nmare

[vivid flare]

Don't forget that you also have Nightmare from various Prophecies

[frail hill]

How does air quality infusion interact with % damage boosts (eg furies, origination) — is it final damage or base damage that can’t be less than 50?

[lofty nexus]

final

[frail hill]

If it’s final…you can easily get like +80% damage from just those arcana let alone anything else

How many effects stay below 50 after all that? Chain lightning I guess?

Even storm ring would hit above 50 with some pom/rarity

[lofty nexus]

like almost nothing honestly

[frail hill]

Ya okay that was my conclusion

[wary night]

chain lighting without king's ransom, demeter gusts, meat grinder/prominence flare often, some of the low damage cast boons...

[frail hill]

So mostly skip air quality is what I’m getting

[lofty nexus]

its pretty useless

[wary night]

eh, I like it, I just don't take it unless I know it'll do something
it doesn't affect a ton of things but when it does work it's really fun, and contributes a lot 🤷 it's good with demeter in general since both her cast and gust effects and godsent hex benefit from it

[fallen kite]

How many hera boons should u wait for to pop King's Ransom?

[frail hill]

Gust is a good point

[wary night]

gust is the biggest one since wow that damage is low at baseline lol
but stuff like demeter and aphrodite cast like it too, I recently did a demeter + zeus run and both her cast and gust were dealing exactly 50 damage

oh, it also makes reckless abandon slightly less awful lol
and can work on stuff like uh.... if you're playing scorch anubis, then your attacks have a base damage of 20 and are only going to benefit from origination and at times furies, so won't reach 50 damage unless you get other universal damage sources

[frail hill]

Huh noted

It would obviously be busted if it made base damage 50

[scenic arrow]

aq also works on the artemis arrows which is pretty funny

[frail hill]

Oh ya and strength…universal damage is pretty easy to hit 100% at base

[scenic arrow]

whats the base damage on supay? I feel like it might benefit from aq most of the time

[frail hill]

Kinda nuts

So with some pretty easy math, if the base damage on something is less than 25, air quality will help. If it’s over 25, probably not.

[primal trench]

Not only is it worth it, but also necessary, testatements dont give enough nightmare

[fallen kite]

imagine chain lightning, artemis arrows and poseidon attack/special

[wary night]

10 and 15 non-Ω at baseline, so definitely

[fallen kite]

every time u attack you deal 4 instances of damage xD

[scenic arrow]

I'm pretty sure its not mandatory, cuz you get 2 or more for later testaments, and you get big chunks from prophecies

[lofty nexus]

you need some extra for all skins and decor

[scenic arrow]

oh yeah prob

definitely worth ordering with your black cards

[lofty nexus]

i mean what else are you gonna get? psyche?

[primal trench]

Thats what im doing 🥹 so I cna sell it for kudos

[wary night]

same lol...
altho once I'm done I'll do nightmares because they take longer, so i don't need to see the "!" as often

[lofty nexus]

you get like so little kudos that way bro :Sob: but if youve maxed every weapon i dont see why not

[wary night]

yeah at some point every other order becomes useless lol so may as well
but it's slow af, it doesn't help much

[primal trench]

I dont have any other need for anything else, I have over 90 cards, dont know what else to do with them

[wary night]

I wish we could sell the cards directly for kudos tbh, they rly pile up

[primal trench]

Yeah im earning more than I cna spend 😂

[lofty nexus]

should be able to sell nmare for kudos

[primal trench]

If only

Until then, psyche orders it is

[tidal moss]

It's fine you only need like 260k for everything

[primal trench]

Even the resource director?

[lofty nexus]

and beign able to sell nmare would make getting 260k faster , isntead of having 30 extra justting dust collectin

[unique moat]

hello, i'm currently on night 90, but i haven't unlocked ||rivals 2|| yet. what are the requirements?

[wise locust]

Beat rivals 1, underworld and surface and also fight a particular miniboss in thessaly

[shy zephyr]

the "particular miniboss in thessaly" took an absurdly long time for me, it's normal

[unique moat]

i've beaten both several times and killed ||charybdis|| 3 times. are those really the only requirements?

[wise locust]

you should have the incantation to unlock rivals 2, yeah. huh

[unique moat]

oh... welp. i guess i'll submit a bug report lol. trying to get to 32 fear with only rivals 1 is painful

[shy zephyr]

have you ever used any savefile modifiers to cheat in some resources or whatever else?

[shy zephyr]

also underworld rivals2 is really hard for 32 lol 😂

[unique moat]

yeah, i cheated in like 100 nectar lol, but nothing other than that

is the savefile editor not safe to use?

[shy zephyr]

someone else used it to get some void lens and it bricked a few incantations, you're cooked

[split silo]

that could be what bricked it for you yeah

[shy zephyr]

try verifying steam files but other than that I can't help you

[unique moat]

damn... had no idea. welp, thanks! i guess i'll try that

[clear cypress]

guys does anyone know where to find a 100% save file?

[primal trench]

Well well well if its not the consequences of our actions

[fallen kite]

Good boons to aim for with Poseidon cast and Charon axe?

[wary night]

geyser spout is a big one
aim for a good special boon, usually with damage% on it
finally, make sure you have a good source of magick regen. Lucid Gain from Apollo is perfect for Charon, but other boons can work too depending on which gods end up in your pool. I'd just avoid stuff like Hestia, Aphrodite, Hephaestus, ||Ares|| which aren't fast enough to keep up

if you want you can stack other Ω cast effects like meat grinder and prominence flare, or grab a ranged cast boon from hestia or zeus, but those are a lot less important (and ranged casts are very optional)

[fallen kite]

thanky u!

[wise locust]

The other requirements are merely that you've beaten normal mode eris and scylla three times each

which I'm assuming you've done if you're pushing 32 fear

turns out you don't actually have to have beaten Charybdis, merely met it

[unique moat]

yeah, done that easily lol. fairly certain that ya'll are right and the save file is bricked by the save editor :/
it sucks, i just wanted to get some nectar

[wise locust]

oops

[unique moat]

oh, i fortunately made a savefile backup before i modified it from 4 days ago. whew, paranoia saves me again!
to anybody from the future: don't use the editor.

[wary night]

in the long run you'll also have more nectar than you know what to do with, thankfully
I'm sitting on over 100 💀 just slow at first, but imo it's faster to get in hades 2 than it was in 1

[shy zephyr]

#h2-tech-fixes message
in case you don't know, this is how you set up the backup

[unique moat]

honestly i kinda felt that way after i started grinding relationships for real. almost got back to 100 yesterday afternoon lol
i just didn't want to repeat my "nectar runs" from hades 1

[unique moat]

oh, that's awesome, thanks! i had no idea those were automatic backups, god bless sgg

[toxic raptor]

Honestly it was easier in 1 because you could buy as much as you want from the shop guy but in 2 you can only buy one per night

[wary night]

that's a fair point
tbh in 1 I felt like it took me longer to be able to just buy all of them tho, since it was always a trade using resources I might need for something else. I really appreciate the switch to bones, and to resources with less overlap. ig how fast you get them in both games depends how you manage your resources
(+ eventually being able to ||brew nectar|| is nice and speeds things up quite a bit)

[toxic raptor]

Yea when I saw that incantation for the 6 nectar I was jumping up and down lmao

Didn’t the nectar in the first game cost keys and after like 10 hours of playing you didn’t need keys anymore and you’d just spam buy nectar

[wary night]

yeah, but during the period where I wanted to use keys on other things buying nectar felt actively bad, and that was when I was most worried about getting it 🤷 idk, it's also been a while since I played h1 so maybe I'm misremembering how slow it was

[frail hill]

Does the game force you to play every aspect? Or is it cool to pick one for each weapon and just stick with that

Mel staff, Mel torch, Mel skull 😂😂😂

[wary night]

You can pick one and stick with it if you want. the game rewards you for playing each weapon but mostly not specific aspects.
I recommend unlocking + trying them all, though. ||The hidden aspect of each weapon requires you to unlock the other two aspects, and upgrade a non-Mel aspect to lv5 iirc||

[wary night]

also is this meant to be implying those three are bad? cause Mel staff got the first max fear clear in 1.0 lol, Mel staff is absolutely one of the best weapons in the game

[frail hill]

No I mean I just like the simple aspects

[wary night]

oh! got it, opposite thing lol

[frail hill]

The opposite lol. I just want to use those

[wary night]

well, if you want to unlock every aspect you'll need to upgrade a non-Mel aspect of each weapon to max
but other than that yeah you can stick with just one aspect

[frail hill]

I could see myself using morrigan blade but otherwise I think it’ll be Mel staff, Moros torch, Mel skull, morrigan blade, and idk coat/axe

[shy zephyr]

there's a prophecy (and an achievement) for winning a run with every aspect. other than that you can play whichever you like

[frail hill]

Nice. I want to at least use every weapon but I don’t feel like forcing every aspect

[tidal moss]

There is?

[shy zephyr]

yeah "bearing dark gifts" i think. i remember rushing it after 1.0 because it was a prequisite for something else 🤔

(i had never won a run with ||persephone|| and had never even touched ||pan|| on my savefile lmao)

[tidal moss]

Oh god ok, no memory of doing it

[fickle carbon]

Dang, remember what it's a prerequisite for?

[shy zephyr]

oh i remember it was for ||skelly's favor||

his hint said you can gift him again after "mastering the aspects of nights" or something like that, the prophecy was also a 1.0 addition so i just connected the dots

[molten ivy]

How does the || Anubis || staff actually work?

[tidal moss]

Your attack creates damaging fields

So like a circle area that does DOT

[molten ivy]

Do you need to engage with the ghost to do the DOT? Or are they just extra dmg

[tidal moss]

They're just extra damage, and not alot at that, I would mostly ignore them

[molten ivy]

Gotcha thank you! Do something like Apollo or Hestia would be good

For the attack

[inner spruce]

Apollo is good, Hestia is good. Demeter is pretty nice too in her own way. There's a lot of pretty strong things with it. Even Aphrodite is good in a weird way.

Zeus is nice for the specials on it, so you pull people into the zone or tag bosses and get the blitz procs.

[wise otter]

https://youtu.be/dJgPdrjKS_4?si=NI5kYa4Io4ZGLdtV

[jovial flax]

MY underworld is asking for 32

[shy zephyr]

that's for the gift of the veil

testaments only go as up as 20

[sullen current]

wait I have the two hecate familiars but I haven’t found the bird yet, is that unusual?

[modest bough]

Hi guys, how do we actually acquire the incantation : insight into offering(boon list).

From what I gathered online, I’ve actually acquired all Olympian keepsake but the incantation still does not show up. Do we have to equip all keepsake once to trigger it ?

[shadow linden]

in 1.0 I believe they removed the need to find them in order besides toula being the first

[sullen current]

thanks! any tips for finding the bird? it is the only one I haven't seen yet

[quasi epoch]

Raki is in the resting zone in Erebus.

[shadow linden]

it's in Erebus fountain rooms so just keep running down

[sullen current]

gotcha, I haven't done an underworld run in ages so that would be why

[molten ivy]

Where do I see Lower and Upper wins specifically? Need to know if I've done 10 wins on both

Weapons themselves only show nights prevailed. And the info ghost only shows nights prevailed in total

But I need individual numbers for upper and lower

[split silo]

they have different icons based on if it was surface or underworld

[molten ivy]

Looking at em now. "night prevailed: 3" below that is fastest times and fear

Not the actual times I have prevailed the specific routes

[trail harness]

is there really an incantation that picks up all the rubbish and how do i get it

[molten ivy]

Little info ghost dude also only shows Clears in total,time and highest fear

[split silo]

you’d have to count them yourself, from the shade that shows you details per night (not the one per weapons) and surface and UW have different icons

[quasi epoch]

Theres another record keeper on the left side that will show the night, if you prevailed, and an icon if it was under or above

[molten ivy]

So gotta count. Kinda dumb

Also who is the one who labors for the gods? Is it Hermes?

[vivid flare]

No

[hard zenith]

||icarus|| doesnt show up in ||chaos trials|| right?

[vivid flare]

He can

[trail harness]

is gold picked up automatically when i leave the room or do i have to wait for it

like when it’s on the ground from a pot

[twin hatch]

It's picked up when you break the pot.

[true dagger]

can someone explain what the moon phases actually do when you choose a hex?
Like does it just add (0,1 or 2) levels the next time you go to selene again and when you have to upgrade the hex?

[vivid flare]

Yeah, they give you an extra upgrade node or two the next time you come across a hex item in that run

[true dagger]

ah so its like everytime you go to selene u get like +1 ,+2 or +0 thanks

[vivid flare]

No, only the first Path of Stars item you come across

[true dagger]

ah ok thanks

[hard zenith]

what is the best keepsake for strength run?

[split silo]

that is very situational, and you’re likely to change them for each region

the only difference is that engraved pin and luckier tooth are no longer options to take (you can take them, but they’d disable strength) and athena keepsake is much easier to take if you need it

[visual shore]

Can someone please explain Hecate's Curse/Hex mechanic in the first boss fight? Can you dodge the hex that turns you into a sheep or outrun it? Is it strictly on a timer, or does it end through some sort of button mashing? thanks

[sly linden]

You can dodge through it

I found that way easier to get rid of it
I think it's like 6 or 7 dodges and it vanishes

You can outrun it but I found dodging way easier

So there must be a timer but the exact time I am not sure

[karmic lion]

does using engraved pin cause u to lose death defiance if not cleared in time or is it just a final death itself?

[vivid flare]

You can preserve your DDs if you clear fast enough, yes

It's part of why Pin's considered the best defensive keepsake in the game

[karmic lion]

so go to 0 hp, spam attacks for 10secs and u either lose dd or win

[vivid flare]

Yep

[karmic lion]

for final bosses i mean

nice ty

[karmic lion]

yay i beat for the first time

there’s so much clutter going on for the|| 2nd phase||

[vivid flare]

For ||Chronos specifically, proccing Pin in phase 1 and making it to phase 2, for instance, still counts for preserving your DD with Pin. You just won't get a second Pin use in the next phase||

[karmic lion]

ah good to know for next time then

[tardy quartz]

What do you use ||those underworld gems|| for?

[dawn spire]

||how do i get chronos and zag keepsakes? and how do i get zag boss fight? I did two underground runs and wasn’t able to get neither is it just bad luck or is there some requirements?||

[vivid flare]

||Sold for Kudos||

[vivid flare]

(Post-credits) ||Zag keepsake is from doing the boss fight enough, and he has the same spawn condition that Charon did in the first game (chance to appear in any midshop). Chronos can be found in the room after the Hecate fight, and that's where you can gift him||

[tardy quartz]

Also to get ||Hidden aspects|| is ||rank V in Malinoë aspect enough? Or it needs to be a non milinoe aspect||

[vivid flare]

||Has to be non-Mel now, though there's been instances where having 5 Nightmare across the two aspects also counted||

[shy zephyr]

you have to ||spend 5 nightmare on|| the weapon

[dawn spire]

||can zag spawn in an Olympus run or just underground?||

[vivid flare]

Either or

[shy zephyr]

you have to do an underworld and a surface run after the credits

only after that it can start appearing

[trail harness]

is it generally better to use || jeweled pom || into || calling card || or the other way around

[tidal moss]

The former

[shy zephyr]

I'm honestly finding ||calling card|| to be overrated, but if you want to use it then the former

[trail harness]

do you like the || chronos || one?

[tidal moss]

It's good for Hermes boons

[shy zephyr]

that one is also situational, I've taken it a few times and it's good

[autumn flare]

@vivid flare what was strength like pre-nerf?

[tidal moss]

Better

[autumn flare]

Must've been broken because as is it's the strongest arcana card

Or combating with origination

[tidal moss]

It's absolutely not the strongest arcana card, that's origination, it's close to equal with death so theres a couple cards i would always take, but it used to be 50/25 instead of 40/20

[autumn flare]

You can attain the same level of additional damage easily with boons, origination is not unique it's just a cheap source of damage

You cannot get the same level of damage resistance without strength

[vivid flare]

Competing with Death, more like

[tidal moss]

What? Origination is a 50% global damage increase, and massively improves runs, there are other sources of damage resistance, while not as powerful, death still competes equally with it

[autumn flare]

Death is just worse

[tidal moss]

Not really, you get a lot more health with dds

[autumn flare]

They give the ~same amount of maximum hp, you can partially use up death, and death doesn't help with healing

[tidal moss]

Not any more they dont, dd's give a lot more health now, plus you can refill them

[shy zephyr]

||50% damage reduction and 25% damage boost||

[vivid flare]

No, Death was about equal effective HP to pre-nerf Strength (220% vs. 200%), it's now just strictly more eHP after the Strength nerf

[tidal moss]

They're used way more than strength at high fear

[shy zephyr]

and with all the cheeses with vow of scars, strength was superior to death in nearly every way

[autumn flare]

death gives you 1/0.4 effective hp, DD gives you 1 + 0.5 + 0.5 + 0.5 effective hp

for the math oriented people, both are 2.5

[tidal moss]

That is not correct lmao

[shy zephyr]

dd is 1 + 0.4 + 0.4 + 0.4

[autumn flare]

oh it's even worse

[shy zephyr]

right now it's 167% and 220% ehp, but there's plenty of ways to refill dds

[vivid flare]

Renewed Faith gaming

[tidal moss]

Strength is good for the damage bonus but both options are fine now, dd's are preferred with vow of scars

[autumn flare]

strength is good because it improves healing

and the damage bonus is nice as well

but the healing is the strong part

[tidal moss]

Strength is good I agree, but dd's are just as good atm

[vivid flare]

Until you, say, restrict or outright remove your ability to heal

[tidal moss]

You can use either and get the same result (unless playing scars)

[autumn flare]

well, obv

[tidal moss]

Death gives more health and is better for bossfights, strength i've found is more of a win more card

[hard zenith]

what keepsake am i missing? its the 3rd from last, next to ||hades and persephone|| , it has to be ||zag|| right? but i have no way of giving nectar to him, i thought i could give him after fighting but i just got teleported back

[tidal moss]

You gotta beat him twice

[autumn flare]

i don't fully agree with that, you can't ever lose your resources permanently with strength

[hard zenith]

ooh i just did it once

[tidal moss]

What resources are you losing permanently

[autumn flare]

at the stage I am in the game is considerably easier with strength than death defiances because of the healing increase meaning I'm at full resources for bosses much more consistently, and even if the boss fight is tough as long as I make it through at all, i can fully recover eventually

[autumn flare]

death defiances obviously

[tidal moss]

You can refill death defiances from multiple sources

[autumn flare]

i know there's ways to recharge them, but those cost opportunity, and you don't get to fully recharge them

if you lose many

[split silo]

athena and echo fully restore any and all dds

[autumn flare]

well, still costs opportunity

[vivid flare]

Well, besides Renewed Faith and Survive Survive Survive

[tidal moss]

Echo and athena give multiple, plus you have tooth and moros pin, plus toula

[split silo]

up to 5 with toula and tooth

[vivid flare]

Which is ||Athena's|| best Boon if you run Death

[split silo]

chaos and narc can also refill

[autumn flare]

opportunity opportunity opportunity

none of those are free

[vivid flare]

And SSS is also sometimes Echo's best offering

[tidal moss]

Strength still has a lot less effective hp in any one fight, which means there are situations/playstyles where death is just better than strength, it's far from a necessary arcana

[vivid flare]

As for ||Athena, she represents potential Fields timer pauses to grab all the minor rewards in a room on top of her actual boons||

[autumn flare]

well, i can admit that i don't know about high fear so I can contend it has usecases I've yet to get to

[tidal moss]

Whats your highest fear clear and have you done ||rivals|| yet

[autumn flare]

but for this channel strength is so much easier than death, so I can understand that the card was nerfed if it was even stronger previously

[tidal moss]

I wouldn't say it's easier

[vivid flare]

Forgot what channel I was in

[split silo]

death also allows you to even run tooth or pin, ideally you don’t with strength

but i do agree with you, at the mid levels strength is probably the better choice, but you also can make anything work at this level

[pliant laurel]

You play Strength because you think it's good, I play Death because it's lore accurate.

We are not the same

[split silo]

strength is most certainly not easier for a new player, the ehp from 3 DDs, ability to refill them, and the ability to run toula, pin and/or tooth are way too good to ignore for a new player

[upbeat sedge]

I play death because i dont lose too much hp to regular encounters and death lets me be stupid and lose 500 hp to rivals chronos and still win

[autumn flare]

it's the synergy with strength + wayward son that makes it strong basically

for a beginner/mid player

[tidal moss]

Dd's are still better for new players

[upbeat sedge]

Really depends on where the roadblocks are

[tidal moss]

Me asf

[upbeat sedge]

There are upsides to both strength and death and the choice is very dependent on where and how much hp you are losing

[pliant laurel]

Same, I love doing goofy plays sometimes and DD lets you get away with it lol

[tidal moss]

And you can break moros pin with the phase 2-3 transition

[split silo]

in most cases it’s death->strength->death as you progress through the game

but you could also ride death the whole way and be fine

[tidal moss]

Maturing is realising dd's are better

[pliant laurel]

They just make high fear more feasible

[split silo]

unless you become so cracked you just run strength at 62f

[tidal moss]

I'm fine without them unless I put on vor4

[pliant laurel]

Wouldn't be me unfortunately 😔💔

[wooden hedge]

Strength has got to be some sort of a psyop

[tidal moss]

Why?

[upbeat sedge]

What if both strength and death are bad because true gamers play without arcana?

[wooden hedge]

People keep insisting that it’s better than death but I have no idea how that’s supposed to be real, unless you’re speedrunning or playing VERY low heat

[tidal moss]

You get better healing and more damage, unless you're playing scars

[upbeat sedge]

Imo it was clearly better in most situations pre-nerf, now the decision is quite close and some people prefer one and some people prefer the other

I mostly play death but strength is not so bad that I think its wrong to take over death

[split silo]

anything below scars 2(or maybe even 3) you could make the argument that strength is better

ultimately, they both are very good contenders for 99% of the players’ usecases

[upbeat sedge]

I played mostly strength is EA and mostly death in 1.0, they're both good

[wooden hedge]

I don’t want to ever face rivals chronos without dds, plus there are just too many things in this game that interact with dds, it feels like the game has been designed with them in mind

Rivals chronos full frenzy ofc

[tidal moss]

If you're fighting rivals i would say dd's are better

Vor4 that is

[shy zephyr]

yeah sgg didn't expect players to run strength without dds, it caught them off guard in warsong patch

[pliant laurel]

Yeah, the rest are fine with strength

[shy zephyr]

but the players were really liking the new alternate way to play, so they didn't rework it and nerfed it instead

[tidal moss]

They didn't expect people to get good

[autumn flare]

Strength gives 66.7% more healing

That's a ton

[tidal moss]

Not this again

[autumn flare]

And it gives most of the eHP death gives

[wooden hedge]

You can get your dds back in several ways

[tidal moss]

Don't bother responding he's not listening to any of us

[autumn flare]

Just answering his question why people think it's strong

You keep repeating that as if it's free

[wooden hedge]

Plus being on one hp and tanking anything is valuable and it’s not possible to do with strength

[autumn flare]

Tanking damage with death defiances costs way more than with strength

[tidal moss]

Super useful to phase skip chronos with

[autumn flare]

You're taking the damage with no mitigation

[tidal moss]

Damage doesn't overflow

[autumn flare]

I mean, that's a small benefit yes

[wooden hedge]

You’re tanking any amount of damage

[tidal moss]

You can take an instakill at 2 health and be fine

[wooden hedge]

That’s not a small benefit, that’s a pretty big benefit

[autumn flare]

It's not a big benefit

[tidal moss]

It's a massive benefit

[proven gazelle]

I think having a massive damage window is a pretty huge benefit

[wooden hedge]

Especially if you’re talking about ehp, how do you even evaluate that vs being very low hp w/ death and tanking any amount of damage

[tidal moss]

You also get moros pin, 10s of free damage

[floral jackal]

They're talking about high fear where everything chunks you, strength doesn't do much against that

[tidal moss]

No we're not lmao

High fear has scars

[autumn flare]

Okay how much more eHP do you estimate to get from that benefit?

[wooden hedge]

W/ full scars enabled there isn’t even an argument at all

[floral jackal]

Oh, i disagree then, no fear doesn't have such high dmg to make overflow negation valuable

[tidal moss]

I could get a good 1k health worth from dd's

[autumn flare]

If DD's give a naive 2.2x ehp how much more of that would you think is because of that benefit?

[upbeat sedge]

I will say that one of strengths benefits is if you randomly get owned in a normal encounter the healing from wayward son/wells/etc helps a lot

Getting owned in normal encounters usually happens less as you get better though

Also most regular encounters have received a lot of nerfs

[tidal moss]

Strength is good, and equal in power to dd's

[upbeat sedge]

Like old Olympus was miles worse than current olympus

[wooden hedge]

How is it equal in power if you can’t run it with scars or with full vow of rivals?

[pliant laurel]

Old Olympus was traumatizing

[upbeat sedge]

At the same time though sometimes you do run into a particularly nasty fangs combo and you get owned anyways

[wooden hedge]

If they were equal wouldn’t it have been down to preference as to which one to run

[tidal moss]

I'm talking generally

I personally think dd's are better but strength is better in some situations

As in anything below 45f

Without scars and vor4

[autumn flare]

yo rest of #h2-for-new-players did you hear that, after you get to 45f you should switch to death

=)

[tidal moss]

That's what I do, cause below 40f is really easy for me, otherwise dd's are normally better when you're learning

[floral jackal]

I remember harpies covering the entire arena in Thessaly...

[wooden hedge]

I just saw the discussion about and chipped in, I specifically said that i think strength is equal or better than death on low fear at the very beginning

[autumn flare]

I love that below 45f is "some situations"

[tidal moss]

Everyone agrees that strength is better than death sometimes and death is better than strength sometimes, strength is never going to be always better

[autumn flare]

What I remember from H1, that's 99% of the playerbase

[tidal moss]

I've cleared 52f and 32f all aspects i'm an outlier here

I still think dd's are better overall than strength

[wooden hedge]

I agree, strength is viable, i just commented about the fact that lots of people have been telling me that strength is outright better, which I don’t think is true

[tidal moss]

It's not

It's good, and perfectly fine to use, it just isn't 'better'

[calm path]

boated usually has dds on i think

[tardy quartz]

Is the ||nightmare in the reagent market limited time? Is it worth the 1200 bones?||

[calm path]

if you've ||upgraded all your arcana, maybe, but generally probably not||

[tardy quartz]

||upgraded all the ones i use||

[wooden hedge]

Boated is running full vow of scars, he’s not representative of the majority of the players

[calm path]

||not until you've done all of them in general imo||

[autumn flare]

@tardy quartz I'm in your position right now, I still wouldn't buy it before you're done buying most of the other things you can buy with bones

What I understand from the ||darkness on the broker|| is it refreshes similar to the other limited use items. Meaning if ever you want to start buying those you can very quickly spend any bones you've accumulated for them

So it's not the same situation as with let's say nectar

[calm path]

there are just way better prices on literally everything else

[autumn flare]

I have been using my ||Obol points / credit cards|| for them though

[tidal moss]

Yeah ordering nmare with cards is the best way to do it

[thick ice]

Woah. Does ||Supay|| suck, or am I not ready for it at 32F yet?

[shy zephyr]

every aspect is great until the 50ish range

though you could definitely try another stronger aspect

[vivid flare]

It has no stagger on its moves, so you do need to play somewhat cautious

[autumn flare]

Does freeze desync the ||chronos instakill animation|| from the damage pulse?

Eg. the ||red effect ends way before the actual damage then appears later if chronos is frozen||

[wooden hedge]

I thought it was pretty good at 32, but you do need to survive early game

[tall kernel]

Can your hex become a god sent hex if you get the right god later?

[vivid flare]

It can, yes

[tardy quartz]

It's not unlocked for me

[tall kernel]

Does it automatically?

[tardy quartz]

yeah I just did that in a run. ||Thank you Personal Loan||

[vivid flare]

You still need to select the node

[tall kernel]

But that node comes up?

[autumn flare]

That's interesting, I got the limited time offer after the ability to order them. Or at least I think I did

[vivid flare]

It will come up, yes. Assuming you have Godsents in general unlocked

[tidal moss]

You need to spend at least ten and talk to charon with 8 in your inventory

[tardy quartz]

Oh. So I just don't have enough

Not too far - I'm at 5

Also 2 more ||nightmares until I can try to unlock aspect of the morrigan.||

[quasi epoch]

You can buy 1 per completed run/chaos trial. It refreshes the same style as nectar.

[autumn flare]

I don't think you have to complete them

[quasi epoch]

Completing meaning win or fail

[autumn flare]

Ah, yeah

[quasi epoch]

The benefit to buying it is to accelerate your gain if your working on the other aspects or trying to accelerate to the hiddens.

That said, you can also earn them from end of area shops for 1300 coin. My prio for bone is Nectar > Ambrosia > N. But i also rotate whatever weapon for my run with grave thirst.

[thick ice]

It’s sooo slooooow, 5 minutes was ROUGH

[molten ivy]

20 heat chaos run is fun. Idk why it's only 50 jewels though

[dense chasm]

which areas can artemis spawn in?

[quasi epoch]

First two areas in the underworld, first area above, any room that doesn't have a menu, so things like, gold, centaur hearts, magic pots etc.

[wary night]

@dense chasm @quasi epoch btw they changed this a bit in 1.0! According to the patch notes NPCs like Artemis can now spawn in Pom and Path of Stars rooms too, as opposed to just non-menu rooms. Still no boon, hammer, or first Selene rooms, but a bit more flexible than before

[quasi epoch]

I don't think i've had her ever spawn in either yet

[wary night]

I think I’ve had her spawn in a pom room…? But it does affect surface at all since you can’t get poms and path of stars in the places Artemis can spawn

[autumn flare]

What's a menu room?

[quasi epoch]

Rooms with rewards where you have to make a choice, Boons, Hammers, was poms but Malkin says that changed in 1.0.

[vivid flare]

Also can spawn in Hex rooms and pom rooms now

[quasi epoch]

Yea, that's what Malkin said.

[vivid flare]

Hex selection also works as well, I think

[split silo]

small clarification is that its path of stars rooms only, so she can’t show up on the first one where you get a selene boon

[stoic pier]

Hi I just have a question. ||I'm a bit confused about adding fear. What is the point of adding more than 1 to get to the target guardian. You only get 1 piece of nightmare and nothing else. You don't even get anything unless you defeat that specific guardian. Or am I not noticing something?||

[vivid flare]

Because it means you don't have to update it for the next bounty

[split silo]

that’s exactly how it works, everytime you beat that testament a new target comes up with a higher ||fear bounty||

[vivid flare]

Plus, there's certain Vows (Frenzy, for instance) that you genuinely want to avoid turning off for the sake of your muscle memory

[autumn flare]

Unless you're aiming to actually be doing the highest fear runs I wouldn't ever enable frenzy

[stoic pier]

Oh so I should just add little by little? I see. I felt I could handle higher and could reap better rewards if I just added more even if it wasn't required lol. I'll just add 1 then!

[vivid flare]

I would at least try the first tier, just because it's a re-learning thing that turns into a "free" Fear

[wary night]

it can kinda go either way.
frenzy gives a LOT of fear, and it’s possible to get p much 100% used to it, at which point it’s a lot of free fear.
there are some vows which make the game harder in a way your muscle memory can’t rly adjust to, at least not to the same level

[vivid flare]

Or Vows that just aren't fun to deal with

[autumn flare]

There's no big downsides to just increasing the fear as you go

[vivid flare]

Debt, Wards,

[wary night]

also idk, I want to push for 62 fear and turned on frenzy fairly early, it’s nowhere near the hardest vow to deal with 🤷 even at 32 it’s one of the less annoying options imo

[vivid flare]

Even Hubris, to an extent

[autumn flare]

Guys can you like not post on the #h2-for-new-players with your 60+ fear mindset?

[stoic pier]

Ok thank you!

[autumn flare]

Seriously

You have to understand most players will never choose to aim for that kind of gameplay

[vivid flare]

Cute how you think I'm clearing anywhere near that high, but I still train with Frenzy

[wary night]

idk, I genuinely would recommend new players try out frenzy 1 if they’re aiming for 32 fear for night’s champion, other vows can really suck.
I haven’t made it to 60 fear also lol

[autumn flare]

I'm just replying to what is being said, 62 fear was explicitly mentioned just now

[quasi epoch]

Gonna agree with Malkin tbh, even newer players should aim for 32 fear. Whether you go higher Up to you. But Frenzy isn't something boogieman

[autumn flare]

))

->

[wary night]

I mentioned 62 fear to emphasize that there are a lot of vows I’m WAY more scared of turning on than frenzy during the climb to high fear, not that everyone should aim for it

I think most players should avoid the stuff I’m currently struggling with at 50+ because it’s annoying as hell to deal with lol, and frenzy takes some learning but is comparatively not the worst, is all

[quasi epoch]

i think i accept i'm in a minority cause i don't find wards annoying at all

[wary night]

wards can go either way for me, idm it on like… torches or hidden staff, but I’d imagine it’s annoying as hell for Mel axe mains

[quasi epoch]

special on most axes instantly eats through wards

[wary night]

how does it feel in a big AoE? wards is scariest vs swarms of small enemies imo

[quasi epoch]

ymmv

[polar laurel]

I only use it for very high attack rate weapons. It's a lot more annoying in the underworld imo

[upbeat sedge]

if you're not playing on 67 fear are you even playing the game???

[polar laurel]

I used wards all the time in hades 1

[quasi epoch]

Which is fair Aidan, I'm definitely not saying others dont find it more annoying, just know it's one of my personal free fears.

[upbeat sedge]

wards is pretty feels bad in some rooms

though I think enemies can still get stunned through wards now?

iirc in hades 1 if you hit a ward the enemy did not get stunned

[polar laurel]

Ya I think it's mostly free in surface just in uw it's a little annoying

Wards is way easier than like... void 💀

[wary night]

heat scared me in h1 but in retrospect I was using the equivalent of wards + hordes + grit from the start and scared of timer and frenzy which uh. made my life harder 💀

[tidal moss]

Frenzy is not a 60f thing

[muted berry]

Wow anubis staff is just prob the best weapon ever

[wary night]

it's very good, yeah
scorch or splash on attack goes crazy, and it's really versatile. + positioning the omega attack is very fun, you can dash/re-aim mid channel to choose how and if it overlaps with the regular attack field. love that thing

[split silo]

dash attack into holding the omega attack for them to overlap is extremely satisfying

[muted berry]

I did zeus demeter and ares and wow melts bosses. Ill try scorch next

[tidal moss]

Most people agree it's up there yeah

[vivid flare]

You better hope you have Hitch

[full sonnet]

I will say the calculation of what order to do fear in is definitely different if you know you're just going to stop at 20 for all the testaments

[split silo]

yeah, mostly in regards to frenzy. if your plan is to just stop at 20 for all testaments, you probably dont wanna turn that on

[upbeat sedge]

you can do 32 without frenzy or rivals

but you probably want to learn at least one of those

[split silo]

rivals in general is just so much fun

like yes did i just take ||577 damage from chronos? absolutely|| but i had fun atleast

[toxic raptor]

I’m taking 600 from normal chronos 😭

[toxic raptor]

All rivals except sycalla honestly her fight just pmo

[split silo]

while i agree that it’s absolute bullet hell, it’s still a fun fight. her normal fight has now become way too simple

[thick ice]

Yo spoilers

[toxic raptor]

Mb

[toxic raptor]

Yea don’t get me wrong it’s fun and creative as hell but sometimes just feels annoying

[split silo]

i assume you haven’t tried it on with vow of frenzy?it becomes a whole different fight with everything that much faster

[toxic raptor]

Like that one move when syclla does that rush move where she dashes forward it feels impossible to dodge

[toxic raptor]

Only 1

2 frenzy’s i haven’t tried at all yet

[split silo]

the trick there is to dash into her, that’s the most consistent way i found to dodge it

or you could try and dash perpendicular if the spot’s safe

[toxic raptor]

Yea I always dash into her just feels like it has to be frame perfect at times

Or sometimes it doesn’t look like she’s hitting you but it still does and I never dash to the side cause that’s lowkey for losers 😂

[left tree]

quick question im asking here for no spoilers but it seems pretty late game so ill spoiler text it

||so i have a couple hundred gems from the zagreus fight but idk how to use them, it says use them for kudos and also i can gain them from like three different ways ive never heard of before||

||is my game like bugged or something ive done every single cauldron (that i have access to) incantation, im thinking its because i beat the game in like 25 nights||

[polar laurel]

||kudos is a currency at the wretched broker. You might need to unlock an incantation for it, idk. The main other source of gemstones is the exact same as hades 1: bossfights with darker thirst||

[left tree]

||my cauldron is still all greyed out with no new incantations and its been like that for a few nights now, ive already beaten fear 12 on surface i might google what causes it to show up.||

[polar laurel]

Yeah unfortunately it's pretty arbitrary

[left tree]

||yeah i saw heracles twice before vanquishing chronos for real, im thinking the game is still playing catchup, four times before seeing him buddy with prometheus||

[polar laurel]

Mhm

[left tree]

alot of my dialogue is definitely before dialogue, i just got the nectar recipe last night

[polar laurel]

I had a different experience to new players since for me each story development was a few months of waiting apart

[left tree]

beta?

[polar laurel]

Ye

[left tree]

i did play the beta for about 40 hours as well, during the first couple months it was out. then i stopped playing to wait for the full game

it took me a few runs to warm back up but i did finally get on my win streak even with eris

loved those bones though you used to not get those. those were amazing

the psyche too, but the bones were really good before they doubled up later

[humble surge]

||Once I get a weapon to level V|| is getting a ||hidden aspect phrase|| just luck of the draw?

[wary night]

I believe you also need ||all aspects of that weapon unlocked, and for the lv5 aspect to NOT be the base form/aspect of Mel||
after that yeah, just talk to the right NPC until you get lucky

[humble surge]

Im assuming based on that I have ||anubis|| it can be Mel

[vivid flare]

Did you get it before 1.0?

[humble surge]

I think so

[scenic arrow]

not anymore

[tardy quartz]

I was told the new requirement is you need to have invested ||5 nightmare into the weapon. It doesn't need to be in the same aspect from what I've been told, but i don't know if this is true||

[twin hatch]

||It's not, Malkin has the right answer post 1.0.||

[split karma]

Is there anything to do with Nightmare after maxing all weapon aspects?

[tidal moss]

||unlocking familiar outfits and prestige ranks||

[cyan abyss]

Im prob just dumb but what does hitch exactly do? Bit confused with it's description

Also do you need to unlock an incantation or something to look at all the gods boons? Played Hades 1 but forgot if I needed to unlock that part of the codex

[twin hatch]

You're not dumb, you're a sloth.
It marks enemies, and doing damage to a marked enemy does a percentage of that damage to every other marked enemy in the room.

[twin hatch]

Yup there's an incantation for that.

[cyan abyss]

Understandable, thank you very much hairy elephant

[wooden hedge]

Not a new player, but how exactly do you unlock ||the funko pops?||

[split silo]

do you mean the little icon besides their keepsakes? you get that by developing out your relationship with said character

[wooden hedge]

nope, that's not it
there's ||a shelf with funko pop figurines of the characters in the training grounds, i saw that on a screenshot ||

[tidal moss]

You need to forge a bond with 10 specific characters

[cyan abyss]

Can Chronos be frozen?

[tardy quartz]

And ||dissolution of time is finished.||

That was a good run, i got 2 ||nightmare|| out of it. One from ||testament and one from final shop. Second run in a row i got one and could afford it at the final shop||

[wooden hedge]

thanks, now i think i know || who i'm missing||

[tidal moss]

No

[tardy quartz]

Can time truely be stopped?

[tidal moss]

You also get more ||nmare from higher testaments||

[tardy quartz]

Nice

[tidal moss]

Given that it's an infinite rougelike game, no not really, unless u uninstall or smth

[tardy quartz]

I was making the joke

Anyways now I have enough ||nmare to either fully upgrade circe staff to try and get anubis, or fully upgrade Pan and try to unlock aspect of Morrigan||

[tidal moss]

||i would say morrigan personally, but both are really strong aspects and also circe is one of the best aspects rn||

[quasi epoch]

||Circe and Anubis are both really good, Morrigan is also really good. Pan is.....not great||

[cyan abyss]

What a rude guy

[tardy quartz]

It's weird. I should be able to unlock ||silver membership, I've gotten over 8 nightmare and used much more than 10 cards, do I just need to find him now in a run? Or bought Nightmares from his shop during a run don't count.||

[tidal moss]

||Keep talking to charon and maybe spend more nmare, i'm not sure if it's 10 cards or 10 nmare||

[undone abyss]

I love ||Morrigan||, but ||Anubis|| is great, too.

[tardy quartz]

||unlocked it||

[tardy quartz]

Does ||Artemis only spawn in Erebus?||

[quasi epoch]

She can spawn in first two regions below, first region above.

[tardy quartz]

So going on underworld runs is the best way to try and trigger ||aspect of Morrigan unlock||

[quasi epoch]

That or pick a non-boon/hammer room in the city

So your hearts or magic rooms.

[tardy quartz]

And the same in the underworld

[quasi epoch]

Yea, but the reason I bring it up in the city is you can check those rooms and not really lose a ton if youre doing a full run and not just death cycling to find her.

[tardy quartz]

Death cycling?

[split silo]

dying intentionally after not getting what you want and repeating

[tardy quartz]

So you'd do erebus and oceanis and then die?

[split silo]

that’s what would death cycling be in regards to finding artemis yes

but unless you want that unlock phrase really badly, i’d just play out my runs to continue getting resources and eventually she’ll show up

[tardy quartz]

I'm mostly doing ||low fear runs to gather both nightmare and also charon cards so I can use those for said nightmares||

I've also realized that ||not trying to save the money for the final shop for that nightmare is as worth it? Like, if there isn't a high value item, you're gonna get stuck with leftover coins that could have been contributed towards your next card. 5 cards give you 2, sure it takes longer but the cards are guaranteed while the shop nightmare is only potential||

[quasi epoch]

You only need 1300 going into the final shop at the very top end to afford nmare. Everything above that is spendable.

My normal because I dont play the reroll corner is to take ||gold pocketwatch|| into area 3 below and above and just gold out misc stuff i dont need, like magic.

Lets me spend heavy in areas 1 and 2 and have enough for nmare or whatever in area 4.

[wanton plover]

dpes white antler effects last the whole run even if i change it?

[split silo]

white antler only works for 1 region, so even if you don’t change it, its effect will expire after you finish that region

[twin hatch]

Can you gold out the smaller rewards in area 3 ?

[twin hatch]

Does the difference in hp gets healed in the process?

[quasi epoch]

Yes. You can sac them as well. Theyre about. ~200-240g each.

[twin hatch]

Very noice

[frigid tapir]

does effect of jeweled pom persist if i take it in area 1 and change it out after?

[quasi epoch]

Yesssssssss.....? In that you keep the levels you've already gotten, but it wont apply from then on.

[frigid tapir]

okay

[tardy quartz]

Huh. Ya know what

I kind of understand ||strength|| now. Like sure, it was the ||underworld where I'm better at with the enemies, but i did a run with the unupgraded version for a jeweled pom run without the jeweled pom - and it actually went really well.||

[cosmic burrow]

How many hours have you put into the release of Hades 2?

[shy zephyr]

i have 150 hours by now

[wooden hedge]

I'm at 120

Never played prior to release, i've been grinding this game out pretty much non stop

[nova pine]

is anyone having problems with the pets? toula ate like 12 treats when i was trying to get all my pets to max lvs

[shy zephyr]

each pet takes 9 treats to max

[nova pine]

toula ate like 12

i had that same problem for the other 3 while trying to get them to the max too

i wanted achievement

[fallow apex]

hey how do i get more cookies, not sure if i unlock crafting them somehow like in beta but i feel like im missig something

[nova pine]

for pets?

[fallow apex]

yea

i got the first ones for frog but cant get more

[vivid flare]

It will, yes

[nova pine]

i think you need to recruit more pets first

[fallow apex]

i cant without cookies