h2-for-new-players

[lapis cloak]

you'll eventually be able to get all

[uneven ermine]

the attackspeed for axe?

[tidal moss]

For now, yes

[uneven ermine]

kk

[lapis cloak]

think of them as different weapons pretty much

[uneven ermine]

Wait really

i did not see it that way :o

[lapis cloak]

its still the same weapon but each have a different unique thing to them

[uneven ermine]

ooo

[lapis cloak]

|| thanatos axe gives you more attack speed when you upgrade it sure, but its quirk is that you can stack crit chance on your omega moves with your attacks, that crit chance goes away when you get hit ||

[uneven ermine]

||is there anything i want from demeter specifically as axe?||

||this one looks op af " steady growth "||

also have ice strike

but i have the hitch auto attack

[lapis cloak]

attack is good i think, freeze is really useful

[uneven ermine]

better than the hitch one?

[restive spade]

Hey guys, what's the boon that reduces dmg taken from hits that do over 20 damage? forgot what god provided that

[uneven ermine]

||i have hera attack currently||

[lapis cloak]

it depends really, the best thing about || demeter's attack || is the freeze, but since you already have || hera attack || you can try to get freeze on something else like the cast

[edgy fjord]

guys how can ||i kill chronos forever ?||

[lapis cloak]

have you reached the credits?

[edgy fjord]

ughhh.. idk, i ||beat him like 5 times but how do i kill him permanently ?||

[lapis cloak]

like the first game, || there is a true ending when you finish enough runs ||, i won't say what happens but you just gotta keep playing

[lapis cloak]

|| if you beat him 5 times at this point you probably have the surface unlocked, you should do surface runs too and you need to beat the game on the surface as well a numer of times ||

[uneven ermine]

what the is the point of apoolos cast

just makes it bigger & does nothing?

[edgy fjord]

oh btw how ||||can i get legendary boons ? i have gotten like 4 since i started the game, is it RNG ?||

[tall plover]

Super Nova is a secondary boon, Solar Ring inflicts Daze and bursts damage at the end of its duration.

[lapis cloak]

yeah but that not his main cast boon, apollo has a bunch of cast related boons

[uneven ermine]

it's also from him?

ooooo okok

[lapis cloak]

|| legendaries have pre-requisites, you can unlock a list of boons in game that will show you the prerequisites and will even let you track them, when you get all prerequisites the legendary can appear but it still luck ||

|| btw legendaries ≠ heroic boons ||

[uneven ermine]

||idk axe might just not be it for me||

||on my usual weapon i reached chronos.. i just died to hecata on axe lol||

||will it change alot if i get thanatos?||

[tidal moss]

Yes

[tidal moss]

It just requires a different playstyle

[edgy fjord]

is it like|| i have to have a specific amount of Poseidon boons for the legendary to have a chance to show up ? im not good at English sorry ||

[tidal moss]

You need at least 3 different specific boons

[uneven ermine]

@tidal moss i am going back to my baby till i get the aspect

daggers meee backkk

[edgy fjord]

where can i see the requirements ?

[tidal moss]

In the codex boon list

[uneven ermine]

You were daggers main also right luthien?

[tidal moss]

I am yes

[uneven ermine]

what aspect should i get on them

[edgy fjord]

ok idk where is that lol

[tidal moss]

Technically i've played more torches but daggers is my favourite rn

[uneven ermine]

torches is umbral flames?

[tidal moss]

Probably Artemis over pan if you love Mel aspect

[tidal moss]

Yes, i've played alot of all weapons tho

[uneven ermine]

i just wish my brain had the knowledge for diff weapons what keepsake u take to start off & what ur " goal " to get is

I only know that for daggers

which i dont even know if it's good 🤣 but it's making me reach the last part of the bottom world

[tidal moss]

Well there's multiple options for each aspect so

It takes a while to get it all down

[uneven ermine]

What did u take on umbral flames as keeps & what you aim/look for?

want to give it a shot, i just wanna find something BESIDES the daggers i can get a decent ish run on while i'm grinding for grasp

[tidal moss]

Mel flames i go pos attack and either zeus or hera on special

[uneven ermine]

like

nothing feels as good as daggers pos attack...

it just feels so insane lol

imma try that after this run

mel is required? idk if i have the mats to craft it

after this run i'm getting

||strength also will prob help a ton cuz i dont have one shots on my difficulty||

[tidal moss]

Well i'm assuming you have the mel aspect of every weapon

[uneven ermine]

i don't :o or do you get it when you get the weapon?

i've kinda been euhmn, one tricking daggers 🤣

[jade stratus]

Not sure if it’s a spoiler but I’ll tag it as such. So I liked the story of Hades 1, it was entertaining. Regarding hades 2, ||does anyone else think the story is more like a thriller?! I’ve audibly gasped several times over the playthrough!||. I figured since I haven’t finished yet, I’d post here vs the story thread.

Also ||nectars|| have been so hard to come by!

[tidal moss]

Yes the default weapon is mel aspect

[uneven ermine]

@tidal moss

[tidal moss]

Yes?

You called?

[uneven ermine]

with my attack build pos daggers, is demeters special or cast good ?

i have to make a pick between those 2 or her sprint

Hmmm gust on her sprint seems strong too :o

[tidal moss]

Gust sprint is mid, I would probably take cast personally but they're both good options

[uneven ermine]

cast what i took, for free cc cuz i rlly dont special on this build

[tidal moss]

I special all the time on daggers, too used to playing ||the hidden aspect||

[uneven ermine]

idk what the spoiler one is, def not seen that

||man i am in such a ...||

[tidal moss]

I won't spoil anymore but you'll understand when you're older

[uneven ermine]

||i have to choose between artemis & pos in same room ( the double god room ) or HP OR chaos gate... all in the same room !||

Why can't it be split! smh

||i'm going chaos gate, always gamba hopefully i get the attack dmg increase||

didn't get it :(

[tidal moss]

Wdym you have to pick between artemis and pos

[uneven ermine]

no didn't have to pick

||you know when the other gets angry when u pick either of em?||

and u get 2 in 1 room , 2 rewards

[tidal moss]

Artemis isn't a boon giver, do u mean someone else

[uneven ermine]

the feather icon

[tidal moss]

Demeter?

[uneven ermine]

think so

y

[tall plover]

They're choosing between the Family Dispute, or health, or Chaos Gate. They went with the Gate.

[uneven ermine]

^ yes that

[tidal moss]

I would take family dispute

[uneven ermine]

i wish i did too.

[tidal moss]

Haven't found myself taking chaos much

[uneven ermine]

My gamba was 100% increase gold gain, didn't get the attack one

the chaos boon is op af tho ! but yeah the other is guarenteed strength

[tidal moss]

Espc if i'm playing without rerolls i don't want to be screwed with a bad curse

[uneven ermine]

i don't have rerolls, ever cuz no grasp :(

working on it tho

[tidal moss]

You'll get there dw

[uneven ermine]

imma be honest, the green resource farm IS a grind!

the price ramping up quick

[tidal moss]

As long as you keep taking frinos

[uneven ermine]

i still didn't figure out what that is

i dont think i have it unlocked 🤣

also, what is ur go to special

on the dagger attk build?

[wise locust]

The frog

[tidal moss]

The frog

[tidal moss]

Zeus

Or hestia

[tidal moss]

Have i shown you the clips i made of my default dagger build?

[uneven ermine]

no you didn't gib

also is that a card? i legit dont see a frog card

[tidal moss]

No it's a pet 😭 😭

[uneven ermine]

WHAT

A PET ????????????

U CAN HGAVE PETS?

[tidal moss]

Gives you bonus health

Collects psyche for you

[uneven ermine]

????????

am i missing something

[tidal moss]

Oh my god

[uneven ermine]

i did not see a single introduction to pet before.......

i may or may not have forgotten esomething

[tidal moss]

To the left of the weapons

Or just somewhere in the training grounds, there will be a frog named frinos

[uneven ermine]

im gonna reset & go find him cuz that sounds like a game changer considering only thing i want is psyche rn lol

[wise locust]

wrong, you first must give frinos a treat at the respawn point in the crossroads

[tidal moss]

Right

[proper tiger]

First time getting to the Oceanus boss and I'm on 35 health and no death defiance or tooth my ass is cooked 😭 Oceanus is just so hard for me and then peepaw showed up and decided to make things harder

[wise locust]

Scylla will kick your ass for a while yet.

Don't sweat it. This is normal.

[uneven ermine]

||hello, idiot here! how do i get my speccciaallll little pet||

How do i get a treat?

or does that mean nectar

[autumn flare]

What does poseidon splash do in hades 2? Does it do additional damage if you make enemies hit each other / walls?

[proper tiger]

I had a feeling. The fact I got this far means I am improving tho so I know I'll keep improving and beat her later

[pseudo sluice]

oh ok now I understand the hype about Strength... was just able to beat gramps easily without any DD on higher Fear than I ever played

[wise locust]

it's an added fixed-damage Aoe that happens on the first enemy your strike hits

it deals knockback to everything in the splash except for the target that caused the splash

[autumn flare]

And does the knockback do any additional damage like it did in hades 1?

By knocking enemies into stuff

[proper tiger]

She just did!

[wise locust]

no, there is no wallslam effects in h2

[autumn flare]

What am I missing then? Isn't it quite bad?

The damage is low

[wise locust]

posideon wave strike/flourish is for rapid attacking weapons

[autumn flare]

But you can't even damage the primary target?

It's so bad

[wise locust]

the damage does not scale with the weapon damage at all, so things like the daggers (that hit 8 times during their combo) will do a lot

[wise locust]

no, I said the knockback doesn't apply, the damage does

[autumn flare]

Oh okay, well that makes sense then

[wise locust]

stops you knocking away your victim

plus it can be upgraded in two pretty significant ways later on

what the game doesn't tell you is that the size of the splash is different for different attacks. small attacks have smaller waves and bigger ones like the axe have bigger ones, but the damage doesn't change

[autumn flare]

Aphrodite flutter strike, how close is close-up damage?

Can I generally expect that to work for melee weapons?

[wise locust]

it's approximately the same distance as the radius of your cast

[autumn flare]

Oh nice

[wise locust]

so yeah, with the daggers it's difficult not to be in that range

Flutter strike is honestly not that great compared to the utility of other strike boons, but Flutter flourish has a MUCH bigger bonus.

[autumn flare]

The questions weren't related, i'm not playing daggers rn

[wise locust]

I'm using dagger as an excample

[frigid tapir]

does the raven always spawn in hidden erebus pool room?

[wise locust]

once he starts appearing he should do

[proper tiger]

Is the surface always gonna auto kill?

[tidal moss]

No

[proper tiger]

Ok so it's not a case of getting through speedily. Just gotta progress to the point of actually being able to be there, I assume. I was worried.

[tidal moss]

Yes, there is an incantion

[proper tiger]

Awesome. Thanks

[stiff hawk]

dont fret, you will get to the point of scylla being fun, if somewhat routine fight.

[autumn flare]

Up until then you get to listen to those banger songs more

[fickle carbon]

maybe i should ask here actually

so how do ||wounds ||work
the status effect doesnt actually do anything right? just serves as a cooldown before you can do big damage again
do i understand that right?

[autumn flare]

It is a status effect though, for originator

And that's quite meaningful because originator is powerful

[fickle carbon]

ye ye i realize that

just sorta confused about how it works

[autumn flare]

But yes as far as I know it doesn't do anything by itself, just as you said just works as a cooldown

[fickle carbon]

thanks

[autumn flare]

Ares also has stuff that works with wounds

[wise locust]

Reaaally in the wrong channel

[wanton plover]

oh mb

[summer nymph]

Is this game worth it

[sly linden]

Maybe

[tall plover]

Did you like Hades?

[serene mist]

Moonstone axe build anyone? Tips and all, how to move around with it?

[upbeat sedge]

The big chop is bad

If you are doing an attack combo cancel the big chop with a special instead

Dash attack/special/first two swings of the attack combo only

Any good percentage attack boon is all you really need as far as build goes, afterwards be flexible

[wise locust]

Dashing heave

[autumn flare]

I did a build on the axe and I felt like the omega attack is the way to go

At least initially without any aspects

[upbeat sedge]

Omega attack is good too

Its always useful for room clear, becomes less useful for dps over time as you get more levels into the axe

[fervent holly]

|| so if the item at the broker doesnt have the "Needed resource" tag, I can freely dust it? There won't be future recipes that I havnt unlocked yet that would use it? ||

[cosmic burrow]

Can the ||infernal contract appear in the overworld? Or is it only in underworld?|| trying to get the last thing from that place…

[autumn flare]

Wait moonstone aspect melinoe aspect power doesn't increase omega attack damage?

[upbeat sedge]

It does not

[autumn flare]

Is that a generic rule that attack power doesn't affect omega attacks?

[upbeat sedge]

The plural vs nonplural difference strikes again

"Attacks" = both regular and omega attack

[autumn flare]

Oh it's [Attack] [Power]

[upbeat sedge]

"Attack" = just regular attack

(And dash attack)

[autumn flare]

Yes, my mind was conflating the two

In many games attack power is a thing by itself

So I forgot the base damage increasing effect was just Power

So the axe has no aspect that synergizes with the omega attack?

[upbeat sedge]

Than

Also ||hidden axe sorta||

[autumn flare]

Yeah

[upbeat sedge]

So there are two aspects that like omega attack

[autumn flare]

Like overall in all weapons?

[upbeat sedge]

No, as in two of the 4 axe aspects like omega attack

[autumn flare]

What's the other one? I mean the main aspect gives you HP I guess

[upbeat sedge]

||thanatos builds omega crit chance by landing regular attacks, so you hit enemies with regular attacks then cash in your payoff via omega attacks||

[autumn flare]

eugh

doesn't sound that practical

[upbeat sedge]

||hidden axe gets a buff for landing hits, so the best hammer is psychic whirlwind so you can use both omega attack and regular attack at the same time for double the stacking speed||

Also omega attack isn't terrible on the regular axe, its just not amazing

You still use it for room clear often since its a persistent aoe and will still easily clear out weaker enemies

[autumn flare]

It's the fastest attack the axe seems to have is what I found

Unless you're going for a omega special range build

That's why I went towards it

Eg you dash strike and then just channel with the tarot slowdown to get the omega attack going, and then dash out if/when necessary

[obtuse prairie]

What happens if you kill ||Scylla before Roxy/Jetty||? Either mid fight or at the end.

[cosmic burrow]

Nothing? It’s all scripted al certain health thresholds

[obtuse prairie]

Ahhh, ok. Thank you.

I guess that means it ||doesn't matter who you attack|| either?

[pearl sand]

correct

pick your favorite/least favorite

[cosmic burrow]

Is anyone else in post game? ||trying to get Zag’s calling card keepsake and the infernal contract I’ve only spotted in the underworld. Can it appear in the shop in overworld?||

[pearl sand]

||i am but also have only seen it once so far, in uw||

[split silo]

||yes, it has a 40% chance to show up in the midship of regions 2 and 3 in the surface||

[vivid flare]

Correct, though ||Roxy is still the priority to stop the AoEs||

[wanton plover]

how does || aspect of artemis work, like does parry only happen when I'm channeling? ||

[trail blade]

Yes, and it's on a timer.

You can indefinitely hold your OAttack charge though.

[hazy wharf]

I need a lot of ambrosia to unlock diualogues, can i only get 1 at a time from the shop?

[wanton plover]

||there will be an incantation for it||

[wanton plover]

what does the "blue glowing thing" indicate near the magik bar

for this aspect specifically

[trail blade]

That's the timer the parry's on IIRC.

It'll flash when the parry is ready.

[serene silo]

Hi guys i dont think its a tech issue so if i may ask: ||how do u get the nectar recipe for the cauldron? I unlocked ambrosia so am i locked out?||

[wanton plover]

it's still glowing even thought i'm not channeling, will it still parry if i get hit or no?

[wanton plover]

||afaik, aphrodite gave it to me so i think just try to meet her?||

[serene silo]

||ill keep trying but shes never shown up after beating surface multiple times||

[serene silo]

Thank yoh

[wanton plover]

try equipping her keepsake

ah no what I meant she will give it to you

while you get her boon

[serene silo]

that i havent tried. Ill do that asap

[serene silo]

Ohhh i see

Thanks

[fickle carbon]

what does "faster omega moves" mean? shorter charge? is every move just sped up animation/hitbox wise?

[trail blade]

Which boon are you talking about generally?

Usually it means faster channeling speed though AFAIK.

[fickle carbon]

well some stuff says your omega moves channel faster

[trail blade]

Yeah that's charge time.

[fickle carbon]

but for example hermes has a boon thats just your omega moves are faster

[trail blade]

.

[dark minnow]

aight time for the ||last fight vs chronos, only used aspect of melinoe torches and I only used torches in all of my runs they are goats fr||
Death to chronos

[lofty lotus]

stupid question but lets say i take an x gods keepsake and i want to do an attack run with that god, but the attack boon u get first is common if im not mistaken. is rarifying it a mistake?

[trail blade]

Not really tbh.

There's no real reason to hold onto it, and boon rarity barely matters to begin with.

[uneven ermine]

Guys, the respawn point in cross roads, is that where you can swap ur things normally? after hecata

i'm trying to get

||the pet frinos||

[lofty lotus]

wait boon rarity doesnt really matter?

[trail blade]

You need an incantation that gives you little biscuits, then you can give Frinos one.

[uneven ermine]

see the thing is

[vivid flare]

????????

[trail blade]

No not really. If your choice is between an Epic boon that does nothing for your build, and a common boon that, say, sets up Origination.

[uneven ermine]

||it's 5 times hecata ( which i 109000000% did, use tootls & tablet of peace i 100000% did )||

So i really dont get it

why i don't have the incancation

[vivid flare]

It definitely matters for boons you're going for in your build

[trail blade]

Not really? Tbh.

At least now at lower fear.

[vivid flare]

Sure, you shouldn't pick boons for "ooh shiny," but a rarity up's pretty much always 2 free poms

[trail blade]

I mean yeah, "there's no real reason to hold onto it" with "it" being "the rareify button".

If that was unclear.

[vivid flare]

And then there's unpommables

[lofty lotus]

so if im doing hestia attack and i have the everlasting ember max level, do i rarify it or not

[trail blade]

Yeah.

[vivid flare]

Yep

[lofty lotus]

seems like a waste of the max level keepsake, i mean i know ur right and all but i dont like that design

didnt like it in h1 too i really hoped they changed it

[uneven ermine]

NOT AGAIN THIS MF

||i met " uh oh " again ( just paused my game) 😭||

[pearl sand]

you change familiars in the weapon area

[uneven ermine]

it'sd not about changing eff, i just do not have them unlocked at all

like i didn't get the incantation for it, it's odd af

makes 0 sense

when luthien earlier was like

" aslong as ur using F ( no spoiler "

i'm like, what card is that ???

i had no fricking clue you could have pets lol

[vivid flare]

Yeah, that's the nature of RNG

Eventually you can get boon rerolls to fish for better rarities

[uneven ermine]

OMG I KILLED HIM FOR FIRST TIME

||STUPID LIL RAT||

[lofty lotus]

no as in imo it should have been you can upgrade a single boon to a rarity rare/epic regardless of its starting one but idk is that too imbalanced

i think not tho

[uneven ermine]

special of hestia is so strong

[vivid flare]

Yeah, that's pretty unbalanced

[lofty lotus]

so is it worth rerolling cuz i got all maxed out rerolls

is it worth rerolling the lower rarities

[pearl sand]

at the very beginning? i sometimes do it once or twice, and then i'll consider resetting the seed

[vivid flare]

It's worth tossing a single reroll, yes

[lofty lotus]

cuz tbf in my 60 nights i have never seen the attack boon in a higher rarity

of any god

at the start i mean

all the attack boons are always common rarity

do i need higher trust or sth?

[stiff hawk]

I mean, Hecate straight up just tells you: "yo, sis, go get yourself a familiar, its cool"

[uneven ermine]

I mean, as you saw & knew i was mostly alt tabbed, yapping & talking here while playing

So yeah no i did not hear that

Else i'd have known

Plus i don't have the incantation

so she probably still has to say it

[stiff hawk]

I get the social element of gaming, but, in game like that paying attention is rewarding IMO

[uneven ermine]

i'd rather, talk & have fun random chatting, to everyone their taste

[stiff hawk]

was gaming better before social networks and all that, hmmm

[vivid flare]

Nah, that's just bad luck with base rates

[uneven ermine]

I think personal preference existed before gaming

[stiff hawk]

its too inbalanced and also reduces value of arcana cards that improve rarity drop rates

[stiff hawk]

what are good percentage attack boons you like on the axe? obviously better rarity => better percentage, but in terms of gods I mean

[fallow pecan]

is there any point to collecting souls if your grasp is maxed 30/30?

[quasi galleon]

does hades 2 work like 1 for determining if you get boons or minor rewards each chamber?

[pulsar oxide]

Apollo and Aphrodite

[fallow pecan]

im not 100% sure but pretty much the same

[pulsar oxide]

There's still some use but you don't really need to prioritize it or anything

[vivid flare]

You can get one (1) wind per run if you have a rank 2 tablet

[pulsar oxide]

That one wind can be pretty good tho, can make the difference for a tall order proc or something

[upbeat sedge]

Apollo, aphro, hera

[fickle carbon]

can scorch crit?

[vivid flare]

Or to put Proper Upbringing in the pool

[vivid flare]

Unfortunately, no

[fickle carbon]

fortunately for aspect of artemis

[stiff hawk]

scorch crit would be busted

[uneven ermine]

||i'm at chronos again, there is an item in the shop i have never ever seen before, it's 650g, is it worth buying?||

||it's an anvil with a purple looking eye on it||

[vivid flare]

Artemis knife crit isn't global, it's just for Attack and Special hits

[vivid flare]

||If you want to brick your run...||

[uneven ermine]

||hell no i still have to beat chronos||

[fickle carbon]

it says strikes so that's weapon hits yeah?

[uneven ermine]

||remember yesterday when i got to P2 and got one tapped, it's my first time playing again just reached him||

[vivid flare]

||Anvil removes 1 hammer at random and gives you two random hammers||

[uneven ermine]

||want to beat his aszz!||

[stiff hawk]

so if I have attack boon that applies curse, aspect bonus doesn't apply?

[vivid flare]

Yep, and just weapon hits

[fickle carbon]

is there any boons with a percentage increase and also a stacking status effect?

[uneven ermine]

||i also have something new called " infusion " it's called slow cooker||

[fickle carbon]

which could be good for aspect of artemis?

[vivid flare]

It does if it's, say, Hera or Demeter. It will not make a clang from Hephaestus or a splash from Poseidon crit

[uneven ermine]

||would slow cooker be better or scorch damage rate 50% faster||

[stiff hawk]

apollo IIRC? but I think its gonna be two boons

[fickle carbon]

apollos doesnt stack does it

[uneven ermine]

||i have 4 fire boons so would be 8 power increase on slow cooker||

[vivid flare]

||Ares, though it doesn't "stack"||

[vivid flare]

||How many fire do you have||

[uneven ermine]

4

[vivid flare]

Pyro

[uneven ermine]

so would be 8 power vs 50% scorch damage rate

[stiff hawk]

kinda hard to understand system)

[vivid flare]

Not really, if the Boon would boost the damage directly, it benefits in its entirety from the riposte crit.

If it adds a separate effect, that separate effect won't benefit from the crit

[uneven ermine]

||P1 done paused before P2 so u said there is like 1 number on the clock a safe spot right?||

[vivid flare]

Mhm

[fickle carbon]

what god has the highest attack increase?

[uneven ermine]

||died :( got him to 30% P2 aaaa||

Such a cool fight

[vivid flare]

Aphro

[uneven ermine]

||wtfff! i'm running around as hades, new cut scene unlocked :O||

||hecat my sister :O||

[wise locust]

Only scorch actually stacks so no

[thick ice]

Are some attacks undashable?

[vivid flare]

Very few, IIRC

[thick ice]

Is there a list?

[dull kite]

does dash trigger sprint boons like apollo's?

[thick ice]

No, rush is both though I think

[vivid flare]

It can

[dull kite]

bosses can't be frozen but do they still get the freeze curse keyword to proc freeze related boons?

[broken cliff]

aspect stuff ||moros REALLY doesn't wanna spill the beans for the secret aspect, am I doing something wrong?||

||no way I have this many dialogue backed up||

[vivid flare]

They do, yes

[vivid flare]

Is he your first hidden unlock?

[broken cliff]

nope

||I have yet to buy shiva's tho||

||someone said I was fine not having it bought it yet||

[vivid flare]

And you have 5 Nightmare invested in the weapon, right?

[broken cliff]

erm

shouldn't it be just any aspect maxed out?

or did I get rused

[eager wraith]

in h1 it was spend 5 blood across any aspects (since all aspects costed blood)

[vivid flare]

It was changed in 1.0

[broken cliff]

well poop

[vivid flare]

And maxing a non-Mel aspect will take 5 Nightmare, so there's that

[broken cliff]

so it needs to be 5 nightmare on the namesake aspect

[vivid flare]

But yeah, reason I'm suspecting it's now 5 Nightmare is because someone got the hidden Coat unlock despite neither of them being rank 5 (but both were rank 3-4)

[vivid flare]

Nope, just a non-Mel

[broken cliff]

all this silver farmed...

[vivid sundial]

i got the coat aspect after maxing selenes

[vivid flare]

I mean, maxing the Mel aspects is still good

[vivid flare]

@vivid sundial See above

[broken cliff]

I don't like any of the lim and oros aspects

[vivid sundial]

oh my bad

[broken cliff]

so i thought I might as well just upgrade mel and get the secret one without spending nightmare

[vivid flare]

Unfortunately, that's no longer the case

[broken cliff]

butt

[vivid flare]

It was before 1.0 but they changed it

Past me would be dumbstruck at present me for saying this, but Artemis might be the better knife option to invest in over Pan

[broken cliff]

pan really wants to be that one bow from hades 1

chiron's

[polar laurel]

Pan > chiron tbh

[uneven ermine]

||i got my FIRSt time ever legendary boon, shocking loss from zeus!||

[thick ice]

Is the ||axe|| special any good? The omega seems fun but the base seems… awkward?

[upbeat sedge]

Base special is very good

Its quick, does okay damage, and you can animation cancel your regular attacks by pressing special

So its good if you need to extend your combo without getting stuck in a really long attack animation

[thick ice]

Wait. You can? That’s pretty neat

[vivid flare]

It's very useful but not for damage

[thick ice]

Just animation cancelling?

[vivid flare]

Yeah, which also resets your combo so you don't do the slam

[thick ice]

The slam has killed me enough times that I’m happy to hear that

6 weapons is so many when you’re still bad btw

[vivid flare]

Just wait until you unlock the alt versions

[thick ice]

They all cost weird stuff. I only have 1 so far!

[polar laurel]

Fortunately for you, you will be getting plenty of said weird stuff by playing

[thick ice]

I’m like 30 runs in now

[uneven ermine]

ARCANA I DID IT

FOR THE FIRST TIME !

||chronos deaddddd first kill :D||

Wait that's cool, you can actual see your dmg break down after a run

[hard zenith]

Can someone tell me which keepsakes I'm missing? On last row i'm missing 6th, 8th, 9th and 10th keepsake. Did i miss some people? I have beaten ||chronos 3 times and typhon 2 times|| so i feel like i should have met every character

[hard zenith]

my fave stat to look is which boss gave you how much dmg. Bc its always someone not the final boss for me the most dmg lol

[uneven ermine]

goldfish, traps hellifish

did a shiiii ton of dmg on me 🤣

goldwrath* sorry

Not goldfish 🤦‍♀️

||i really love you can " play " in the cut scenes, like hades & now after killing him, as a project into the mirrors, it's so damn fricking cool||

||not sure if hades 1 was like this, never played it||

[thick ice]

There are no more ||perfect catches||?

[uneven ermine]

||is iron & marble from the other world?||

[vivid flare]

||Marble is the Tartarus mineral, Iron is boats||

[dire patio]

circe, spoiler, spoiler, spoiler

[uneven ermine]

ik boat is the 2nd world, is tar also then?

is that after

||killing eris? or||

[vivid flare]

The 8th, 9th, and 10th are ||all from the post-game||

[hard zenith]

wait so there are still characters i will meet? :o

[vivid flare]

||Tartarus is where Chronos is||

[dire patio]

yes

[hard zenith]

wow thank you

[dire patio]

it will be clear when it's clear

[uneven ermine]

ooooo how the did i not find it wtf :(

[uneven ermine]

I JUST KILLED HIS ASZ FOR THE FIRST TIME :D :D still excited

||is there an upgrade priorty with the moon dust?||

||oh i unlocked the difficulty thing you guys speak about i think, oaths of unseen?||

[vivid flare]

Persistence for more max HP

[shy zephyr]

yes

my beloved 🫀

[uneven ermine]

Should i instantly start with enabling them?

||idk what testaments do||

[shy zephyr]

they're like bounties in hades 1, you beat the boss at a specific ||fear|| level and get rewards

[uneven ermine]

i never played hades 1

So it's like, more resources or something?

Should prob look into the easy ones that wouldn't affect the run that much

[shy zephyr]

it's a specific resource that lets you upgrade your weapon aspects

[uneven ermine]

||OMFG I FOUND A CAT I PETTED IT BUT IT DISSAPEARED WHY 😭||

||i thought i could take it like the frog 😭||

[shy zephyr]

you can, just find it again

[uneven ermine]

:O

at same place?

Or it's random

[split silo]

she will be in the same place

[uneven ermine]

kk

Ty!

||the wood from the boat fels so hard to gather, feels so little that spawns||

actually that's prob not needed for spoiler but w/e

||i just met athena! :O||

[abstract obsidian]

Q) I might be noob, but how does Aspect Of Medea work? It seems the game-plan is to "charge/load" my attacks, and then use the Special to close in?

[pulsar oxide]

That's correct

[vivid flare]

Yeah. Pull the pin (don't pull all 4 at once, only 1-2), special in

[leaden smelt]

Are there hidden conditions for getting certain boons? I rarely get legendaries but I've thinned out God pools to the point im only getting gold

[urban tendon]

Ive really been hitting a wall now with progression

surface end boss and area are just so difficult

[vivid flare]

Legendaries only have a chance to spawn when you meet the requirements, they're not guarantees

[leaden smelt]

so its not like Hades 1 where i can thin the pool down to them consistently?

They still will spawn on chance between pile of gold or the legendary which is only remaining one right?

[upbeat sedge]

Pretty sure hades 1 is the same with legendary boons

[vivid flare]

You can, but they still have to actually hit the 10% (15% with Exellence) chance to spawn

[urban tendon]

I can do underworld runs no problem but its kinda demotivating getting all the way up there only ro die really fast

[leaden smelt]

Gotcha i might be misremembering since its like 5 years since H1 atp

[upbeat sedge]

Though its been a long time so I might be misremembering hades 1

[leaden smelt]

what changed my life is taking strength over death defiance for non fear first time kills

[upbeat sedge]

But yeah the game needs to roll legendary on the slot for the legendary to show

[leaden smelt]

that and just following a more "meta" arcana sheet I was putting my points in really bad spots

[leaden smelt]

Turns out I have awful luck then I havent seen any in quite a while

[vivid flare]

Unseen?

[urban tendon]

i'll loose them to prometheus anyways 😔

[upbeat sedge]

Do you have the prereqs?

[urban tendon]

but i will try

[leaden smelt]

mine was mostly the right side of the sheet and ive found left side predominatly has the good ones

[upbeat sedge]

Most legendary boons have pretty strict requirements

[leaden smelt]

also holy heck Nemesis was life changing for me

[urban tendon]

Ive only got one legendairy boon so far

[leaden smelt]

I wasnt even using it before

[upbeat sedge]

You usually need 3 specific other boons to unlock the legendary

[leaden smelt]

ah I also misread that on wiki then as just 3 random boons from the good

im using the banish one to thin pool so im probably locking myself out of them each run

[upbeat sedge]

There's usually 3 lists and you need one from each

[urban tendon]

I'll look up good arcana combos

[leaden smelt]

I think Nemesis + strength is really good for non fear but you have to know the 1 shot patterns to avoid

On ||prometheus|| I pause the game and memorize the pattern because its so quick

[urban tendon]

i can avoid somtimes

[sly linden]

I'm also stuck on that surface boss
Everything else is either very easy (underworld) or very smooth for a non fear run
I've been seeing people say Strength helped them a lot

[dark breach]

I wonder how you are supposed to ever kill ||Eris|| with a melee weapon. I just can't do it. With flames I do it regularly but not with a melee weapon. Haven't tried Staff yet.

[sly linden]

You obviously need to know the enemy attack patterns and stuff nut I'd be willing to Try it over DD

[urban tendon]

i chant "up" "down" or "middle" out loud until its over

[leaden smelt]

if youre the kind of player where your DD is only used at bosses then strength is probably better for you but im already back to DD and im only fear 12 zzz

[sly linden]

Yeah I really only use em for bosses

[leaden smelt]

strength + nemesis are a 80% dps boost upgraded

[urban tendon]

I usually have at least one DD when i reach the last boss

I see

[sly linden]

I got to surface boss with all of mine and didn't expect it and got absolutely destroyed lol

[tidal moss]

Strength superiority

[leaden smelt]

running strength lets you also use ||athena|| boon whenever you want

[sly linden]

All 3

[urban tendon]

its a really hard boss

[leaden smelt]

just dont be silly and grab her DD boon to negate strength

[sly linden]

Right

[urban tendon]

got it

[leaden smelt]

I certainly dont know anyone who pressed that one on instinct...

[sly linden]

I gotta upgrade strength fully still but I'll use it

Try it out and see

[urban tendon]

also i have learned that total eclipse is very good especially at the surface end boss

[sly linden]

Oh God I just checked what you need to max out Strength

So that's 3 surface runs lol

[leaden smelt]

I like the heals a lot because i use axe and im permanetly playing in the boss' mouth

[urban tendon]

true the heals are nice too

[vivid flare]

I recommend it

[urban tendon]

i'm gonna try it now

[leaden smelt]

ive heard a lot of people praise the wolf howl but man i am so bad at aiming it in the heat of battle

[sly linden]

I can get it lv 2 rn so that's nice

[urban tendon]

i'll let you all know how it goes

[sly linden]

But for lv 3 I need 3 feathers so lmao
Off to do back to back runs we goooo

Hey on the bright side, those runs for feathers is going to be great surface boss practice so win win 🙂

[tidal moss]

Damn they really changed the arcana upgrades

[sly linden]

Well on the wiki it said 3 feathers for max card level
But the wiki also says it's still a 50% damage reduction

Not on the actual game rn so can't check

[fierce cobalt]

How to get aspect of nergal

[sly linden]

I'll check tonight at home

[vivid flare]

Unlock all 3 Axes, invest 5 Nightmare into the axe, talk to a specific NPC (you'll figure out which)

[scenic arrow]

dont you need a tier 5 non mel axe

[vivid flare]

Since someone unlocked Hidden Coat without having a T5 (just a T4 at most on both), guessing the new requirement is just the same as the first game

[scenic arrow]

neat

[leaden smelt]

I need a guide on how to even make the axe hidden aspects work because its so sluggish in comparison to thanatos

I take like 30 hits going for any attack on it

[elfin granite]

does hitting an enemy with ||Wounds|| with a ||Wound-applying attack/special|| reset the duration of the effect?

[scenic arrow]

use apollo attack
charge omegas from medium distance
Stuff usually walks into you

[shy zephyr]

nope

[elfin granite]

Phew. Thanks.

[vast oriole]

smth that absolutely unlocks Axe's full potential is binding your dodge on like the a shoulder button. Then you can dash WHILE charging up your omega.

In practice you can charge in the middle of 9/11 drop a cast and dash out while charging to set everything on fire.

[tidal moss]

What controller binds were you using in the first place, you can do it on default easy

[vast oriole]

you can hardly press X while holding Triangle and besides that you always lose time when switching buttons with your thumb while you could press simultaneously.

Triangle being Y

[wintry summit]

What boons should I be going for with the axe?

[tidal moss]

My dash is on A and my attack is on X

[vast oriole]

then this is not standard

[tidal moss]

I've literally never touched the binds

[vast oriole]

and still not as convenient as a shoulder button

[tidal moss]

Are you talking about special?

[vast oriole]

Special is on Y standard and X is dash

eh A is dash sorry

[tidal moss]

Yes

[vast oriole]

yeah so you can't really press A while holding Y

[tidal moss]

Yes you can lmao use the bottom of the thumb

[vast oriole]

right you can also use your small toe or your nose. I'm not here to argue my personal pov. It's simply also what every speed runner or some who tries to play optimally does.

[tidal moss]

I speed run/play as optimally as I can, it's not really necessary, however I don't often use axe omegas

[vast oriole]

then you wouldn't press 2 buttons on opposite side with your thumb. but w/e you seem very entrenched about this.

I looked at this with an open mind and realized that it's just objectively better and changed.

[tidal moss]

If you want to do that then go ahead i'm just saying default bindings are perfectly adequate

[vast oriole]

While you can certainly argue "then the game is not for you" and that's fair. It's kinda tedious to have to play another 30 min to get another shot at like ||Typhon||. pretty much the reason why i haven't played in 3 days.

[tidal moss]

Do you need to beat surface on axe for smth?

[vast oriole]

not really i just want to kill the guy 🙂

[tidal moss]

Real, he's super fun to beat up

[wary night]

have you unlocked aspects, or are you using the baseline axe?
for the base axe, it hits slowly but for a lot of damage, so stuff like apollo and aphrodite is popular on attack for the big % boost

[tidal moss]

I love Demeter on base mel

Got an 8.49 underworld clear with it

[wary night]

demeter too!! and ||hera|| imo but that's a god new players may not have met yet

altho also I'm not the biggest fan of mel axe so not an expert 🤷 I've had good runs with it I just seldom play it for fun

[vast oriole]

I don't doubt that at all. Only tried him once and even got to the phase where he's been lying down already. But for just a 2nd try this will already be another whole lotta "same" and I even doubt that I'll just beat him on attempt 2

[tidal moss]

Fair, he's a tough boss to fight near blind, plus he has 4 phases, you'll know he's in is last one when he spits eggs the second time and starts combining attacks

[wary night]

at least with different boons (or a diff weapon/aspect) the run will feel pretty different!
being stuck on a boss that takes ages to get to feels annoying, but since the game is built around a roguelike loop there are lots of systems in place to make it feel less like a whole lotta "same" each run

[scenic arrow]

cool

[vast oriole]

I think what I'm try to say is, while the concept is fine. the fight is a very long distance away and even in a Roguelite this becomes a bit a lot of filler before you arrive at what you actually wanna do.

[wary night]

but still annoying to have to play that long to get more practice lol

[wintry summit]

What are aspects

[knotty shore]

Trying to unlock Aspect of ||Morrigan|| but not luck...
|| This is my loadout for the Sister Bladeshttps://i.imgur.com/cjNpdaC.jpeg I've been grinding Erebus going into no-god maps to trigger Artemis, prob talked to her at least 6 times so far and while I do get a "!" prompt its never about the Aspect... I guess I just keep going? or am I missing anything||

[tidal moss]

You need 5 nmare invested between the non mel aspects I believe

[wary night]

if you don't know then it doesn't apply to you yet!
you'll discover them on your own. if you want to know now and don't mind gameplay mechanic spoilers, ||aspects are alternate versions of each weapon that change how they play but (mostly) have the same base moveset||

[wise reef]

Did y’all end up using skellys keepsake at the start? Kinda hard not to use it but i needa level up other keepsakes im getting

[wintry summit]

I found like the elements and stuff

[tidal moss]

Until I started using strength and stopped needing dd's yes

[wise reef]

Ok i still only got one DD, so ill stick with it thanks!

[wary night]

I used it some! moros keepsake is also good.
I used both more once I unlocked the ability to ||switch keepsakes between regions|| tbh

[wise reef]

Yeah i need that badly forgot it was an unlock in hades 1 as well haha

[wary night]

it happens pretty early altho idr the exact requirements for it! but it's great to have once you do. should be soon

[knotty shore]

I see, I did not know the Melinoe aspect doesnt count...

[wise reef]

Yeah I usually only want the tooth in the final area , itd be perfect

[vast oriole]

you won't ever get more than just 1 Nightmare even if you 'd max your testament, right?

so it seems you can get realistically 2 if you'd like complete the "next challenge" in the same run.

but this also does seem weird to me since the next one is always in the other "dungeon"?

[wary night]

you can only clear one "bounty" per run, afaik. turning your fear up higher than you need to or trying to clear the next target at the same time won't work, since the next bounty only becomes available once the run is complete

[spark stirrup]

hey what am i supposed to do to get darkness? got to the credits but havent found darkness. heard its in the certain god chambers so ive been picking the dude but no luck. any pre conditions?

[abstract obsidian]

Q) The gathering upgrades (Crescent Pick, Rod of Fishing, etc) say ".. once per night". But it seems they are permanent upgrades? Because my "Crescent Pick 2" is greyed out now?

[wary night]

a "night" is an escape attempt
the upgrade is a one-time purchase, and you can trigger the effect of the upgrade once per night! if that makes it clearer

[silk knoll]

Do bosses count for Isolated?

[vast oriole]

Does the game indicate in any way if a boon would go into an actual core slot or secondary one? Since for quite a few boons it's really not clear judging just by the wording.

for example your special and mana regen boons have a lot of them.

like "your special bounces 2 times" or "special restores 20".

[silk knoll]

You know after looking i cannot say I can find one. Mostly they use the same picture i guess of the slot? thats all I can notice.

[vast oriole]

if they added like the tag "core". This might go a long way in terms of clarification.

[wary night]

you mean for that one hestia boon?
they do if they aren't summoning enemies, or once you get rid of those enemies. it's a good boon for bosses even tho it has some downtime, though.
less so for ||scylla|| since she's almost never alone, tho, for instance

[pseudo sluice]

how could she be alone, she has millions of fans around the world. goated music

[vast oriole]

Does it have down time or gotta recharge? I also found that's simply the best boss boon regarding your options.

[wary night]

not really.
the core boons are all just recolors of the same symbols tho! and have the same names.
"strike" "flourish" "ring" "rush" "gain" will always be the second word for core boons

[silk knoll]

Thank you I had been assuming that but I needed to check 100% so im not wasting slots lol

[wary night]

it doesn't have to recharge, it's just that most bosses will summon reinforcements at some point during the fight, and the boon will stop working until the boss is alone again

[vast oriole]

yeah the summon negate it for sure. However they are only a minor part.

Does the Wound god (Ares?) show additionally to your 4 standard choices for the run?

[wary night]

Ares counts as one of the 4 gods for your "god pool" each run, yes

[knotty shore]

@tidal moss thank you, got the dialoge with artemis once i leveled another weapon to rank 5. a lot of online guides just mention any weapon to be rank 5. so either bad luck or this needs to be highlighted more 🤷‍♂️

[vast oriole]

What's a good secondary to enable curses for your Anvil Ring cast?

is there smth like glow?

Anvil Ring slaps however you want to turn on Origination

[wary night]

Anvil Ring is kinda bad for status curses, it doesn't count as a blast effect so glow won't trigger
best bet is just set up origination via your other core boons, or I guess get demeter for arctic gale on your cast

[vast oriole]

yeah Gale or Poseidon's outer Ring are good for that. I just don't have them atm 🙂

[mossy heath]

there's any difference in mount olympus taking the door or the platform door?

[wary night]

afaik the only difference is that the platforms let you deal damage when landing and oneshot some enemies lol, other than that it doesn't do anything

[vast oriole]

Do enemies actually attack the ally you can raise from the dead with your Hex, or does it just do support dps?

[vivid flare]

Yes

[vast oriole]

I mean can the hex summon actually tank?

[vivid flare]

They can, yes

[vivid flare]

There's some other differences

[vast oriole]

Then it's probably more useful then i gave it credit for so far if it can draw a boss' attention.

[vivid flare]

||Launch pads always take you outside and have the slams. Outdoor rooms can spawn Icarus or Athena if you haven't seen them this run.

Doors will usually lead to indoor rooms (sometimes outdoor) and have a chance for Heracles jumpscare

Midshop is from a launchpad; endshop, fountain, and Dionysus are from a door||

[vast oriole]

While i initially like the Morph Hex, I find it to be like the least useful ones since it doesn't provide any dmg or morph against stuff where it matters like ||Typhon||

[vivid flare]

There's nodes that make it do damage to bosses (not a lot but it's there), and nodes that make it act as a damage amp

Plus the Godsent's apparently pretty good

[vast oriole]

which Hex do you like the "most". Personally i think they all fall off when your build is strong. The dmg isn't really that great anymore at that point and the healing Hex always provides sustain/utility.

[vivid flare]

Wolf Howl

[weary tartan]

im a big fan of all the hexes except moon water

[wary night]

unless it changed since EA it can oneshot ||the eggs typhon makes before they can summon enemies,|| which is neat, altho not as useful as damage to be fair

[weary tartan]

eclipse used to be my favorite but now I think it's between dark side and twilight curse

[vivid flare]

Not a run-defining damage source, but it is invuln on demand without locking you into a sucky alternate moveset like Dark Side

[vast oriole]

you have like the jump that deals 200 dmg initially which is absolutely nothing.

[vivid flare]

You are fully invulnerable while jumping

[vast oriole]

but not while aiming it

[weary tartan]

just tap it quickly

[wary night]

if you aren't using it for the damage it doesn't rly matter if you aim it right anyway, just that you get the timing right to dodge

[weary tartan]

I assume this is a controller thing since on kbm it just goes to ur cursor which is really snappy

[wary night]

also yeah with mouse it's very easy to aim lol

[vast oriole]

still really nothing to write home about. If you want I-frames you can just dodge.

[weary tartan]

but you can jump to any spot and get really generous iframes, even after landing

[vivid flare]

Pretty sure you can just tap it on controller

[vivid flare]

On some builds, you're burning enough mana that it becomes a second dash with how cheap it is

[weary tartan]

wolf howls iframes are like 2 seconds straight almost

[vast oriole]

this one sounds decent

[weary tartan]

??? yes

[wary night]

idk, the amount of i-frames you get from a dash vs wolf howl is uh. pretty different. and especially without h1 double dashes if you use it well you really notice how much it's doing.
like, you can very reliably dodge oneshot moves with wolf howl that can feel risky with just a dash

[vast oriole]

the 800 dmg cast is also crap forcing you stationary

[wary night]

oh yeah lunar ray feels bad without upgrades imo. with upgrades it's nice, and it's cheap at least, but it's not my fav

[weary tartan]

oh good on you for figuring out that was lunar ray lmao

[vivid flare]

Lunar Ray without the turret upgrade is cheeks

[wary night]

but then you do a run where you upgrade it a ton and it autofires three beams at once and go "oh, actually this rules" lol

[weary tartan]

I was like ??? 800 cast??? like glorious disaster? yeah I guess that also sucks

[vivid flare]

Yeah, was about to crash out because I thought they meant Total Eclipse

[dire patio]

the point at which ray becomes useful is too late

[vivid flare]

Not unless you take biome 2 Moon Beam

[weary tartan]

I will defend lunar ray tbh, saying "just get godsent" is sorta cheating as an argument but apollo beam dps is crazy, and you can ramp the damage super easily to get 2000+ in like 3 seconds or whatever the timer is with globals and some nodes, and the nodes that give you armor while casting allow you to armor gate big hits

but also my moonbeam use rate is probably 75% cause I like hexes

[vast oriole]

you can always construct a niche scenario for every Hex. But the argument for Wolf Howl really convinces me.

[wary night]

yeah lunar ray is just the "take moonbeam bio 2 always" hex imo
early on the low charge cost is very fun tho, I remember doing a run with nyx and charging it up basically after every dash which felt kinda silly

[weary tartan]

I also always make sure to have the moon card activated (usually through night)

I really don't think it's that niche for lunar ray tbh

i had it top damage a run a few days ago

not that that says much

but it pulls weight

[vivid flare]

I also like Moon Water, on the assumption I get the overcap upgrade

[wary night]

moon water 🤝 lunar ray
feeling extremely underwhelming without upgrades and then extremely busted when fully invested

[vast oriole]

that's just substantial at some point and it doesn't fall off like most dmg does when your build takes shape.

[weary tartan]

I wish it was default lmao, 3 uses kinda sucks when the upgrades want you to use it in combat for non-heal reasons

[dire patio]

you need at least 3 boons to get it to auto fire and any other lunar skill is going to be more useful in the meantime

except for the invincibility one

[weary tartan]

I remember og moon water when hexes sucked really bad but moon water like did triple the healing it does now or something

[tough torrent]

Is it true this game has a slight bias towards ranged builds? Like if you're using the witch staff you get as starting weapon, the special attack which is ranged would be better if buffed rather than the other standard attack?

[vast oriole]

and Moon Water also packs quite a bit of +% dmg at some point

[wary night]

how do you all feel about phase shift? I always think I'll like it more than I do. maybe it's the charge cost being so high and the godsent doing less damage than I want it to

[wary night]

I'd say no, the staff is mostly used as a melee weapon tbh. The attack does less base damage but is faster, and you're generally going to be weaving in both — iirc a dash strike into a special is a good staff combo, and then you're using both at point blank range

[vivid flare]

The base aspect's bonus is max MP and Special damage, yes. Though that's the base aspect's bonus.

Also, some of the top weapons (Medea Skull, hidden staff, hidden axe, hidden blades, hidden coat) want you to play close-range

[weary tartan]

I wish they didn't nerf the coast that much when they did the big round of cost reductions

it feels too short still, even if it's sorta invuln but it takes skill

if dark side is free invuln for lower dps, phase shift should be either longer or cheaper than dark side since it's "invuln" still requires positioning

[vast oriole]

Is the summon from your hex also time restricted or does it fight till it dies?

[dire patio]

dark side is so worthless man what's the point of being invincible if I can't do anything

[wary night]

time restricted by default, lasts the whole location with a specific upgrade, iirc

I love that upgrade when it's godsent. if the hex isn't godsent you can just spend more magick and resummon it, but if it's godsent you summon a weaker version once the first disappears

[vivid flare]

Yeah, it's pretty much only good with the Godsent

[weary tartan]

I mean it's pretty nice tbh, you can build cast damage with it and it's godsent damage is good, but even then the breathing room is appreciated if you need to get out of a right spot esp on higher ||fear||

[dire patio]

it's not even good then

[weary tartan]

will not take this dark side slander

I really don't think it's even cope to say its pretty good

[trail blade]

Most Hexes are like. Fine. But they feel super high commitment lol.

[dire patio]

meteor and raise dead are pretty good

[trail blade]

Meteor is good if you can guide a bunch of enemies into it... which is doable but kind of annoying.

[weary tartan]

idk I find myself getting to region 2 or 3 and like not having any immediate keepsake needs so moon beam goes on and then I get a godsent or purple node with one major rewards

[midnight ice]

whats the best use for bones for getting more prestige?

[vast oriole]

If you already a boon in every core slot, the chance to overwrite/change one becomes pretty "ok" again then, doesn't it?

[dire patio]

meteor i mostly use to speed up boss fights

[vast oriole]

Does Anvil Ring ALWAYS hit three times even if you shorten the cast with like Winner's circle etc substantially?

[vivid flare]

Yeah, Anvil Ring's unique in that it persists even once Winner's Circle expires

[vast oriole]

oh it persists. That's cool. I thought it might hit faster then if it would work that way at all. Thanks!

I have really grown to the Zeus equivalent of Fireball. The part where it instantly snaps to the target and you can always just snap cast it, is just great.

[polar laurel]

Psyche I think

[remote nexus]

how does Gales dodge work? is it you equip Gale, and you have this much dodge, or does it only work before he soaks couple of hits?

[vivid flare]

She, and no, the dodge is passive

[remote nexus]

so basically gale is best pick for immortal aspect of negral?

[vast oriole]

This might really just be a me-thing. But the Frog buddy jumping around on the screen makes me quite often dodging it 😄

i mean trying to dodge the frog

[scenic arrow]

it's only 3 times a zone so probably not

[remote nexus]

so the dodge chance only works until you get hit 3 times?

[vast oriole]

it's also so backwards by the trash gaming sites considering the cat to be the best familiar, while it cancels out one of your best cards in Strength.

and since I invested no time so far in thinking about the familiars. How do I even upgrade or change their bonds?

[pearl sand]

yeah, unlucky. i like cats and strength :/

[vivid flare]

I mean, Toula is pretty good after her buffs back in Unseen

[vast oriole]

I just run the frog because it was conveniently in my base 😄

[vast oriole]

how do i get these upgrades/buffs for bonds?

[remote nexus]

I was running Toula for the longest time. when I got more familiar with the game, and when I got Athenas keepsake, I shifted to strength

[vivid flare]

You need to have at least 4 familiars recruited, I think?

[pearl sand]

you'll get an incantation for it eventually

[vast oriole]

I'm at ||Typhon|| and have just the cat and frog, probably because i ran past the others a hundred times.

[stiff hawk]

I love me Frinos on Hecate fights, really speeds them up

[vivid flare]

Well, the annoying one to get is the bird, because it's in the Erebus fountain room

[vast oriole]

don't you literally always come past that one?

[stiff hawk]

yeah, why its so hard to met mister kra kra

[vivid flare]

No. The one in the middle of the region

[proper tiger]

BEAT SCYLLA SECOND TRY (took a death defiance and luckier tooth tho) my saving grace was vampiric cataclysm + Moon water

[vast oriole]

i thought you ment the room after killing first boss. but yeah, the random heal room is what you mean i guess.

[vivid flare]

Indeed it is!

[remote nexus]

you need to find bird in underworld, then you will get incantation to do upgrades on them. theen you need to upgrade familiar 3 times, and you will be able to recruit other 2 familiars

[stiff hawk]

how much damage did you take in that fight in total?

[vivid flare]

That is old information, they changed it for some reason :3

[astral bobcat]

Morning

[vast oriole]

I was there also at least 5 times and didn't recognize the bird 😄

[proper tiger]

180 I think? I wasn't too focused on the health bar

[remote nexus]

huh, well, I couldn't rectuit hecuba and gale before I upgraded familiars at least, and I only did it after full release

[ruby sedge]

hey guys! quick question: i played this in early access and basically got as far as you could go with progress then. I just finished the first ending (i assume it's not the true one) and i've just realized i've literally never interacted with heracles outside of that first interaction with him in ephyra. is this normal? are there requirements i need to fulfill? in early access i was running into him constantly.

[cosmic burrow]

Same! Minor complaint that Mel doesn’t have a noticeable text box interaction when you first happen upon Raki like the other familiars. Not to mention, the white birds do melt into the rest of the background

[trail blade]

Heracles mostly shows up in region 1 of upstairs (I think he can also show up in region 3? but it's rare), so this isn't that uncommon. To deepen his bond, you do need some fear, as well, namely: ||Vow of Rivals 3|| to complete his bond.

[ruby sedge]

thanks for the advice! the weird thing is that i haven't even run into him another time to even start bonding with him.

[trail blade]

That's weird.

But not unheard of?

Just keep slamming your face into doors there, and try to avoid the double heart/magick rewards if you can (as Artemis has a chance to show up there).

[remote nexus]

I had similar thing with dionysus. I didn't meet him for 30+ runs after meeting him once

[ruby sedge]

hmm well just bad luck i guess

also, i lowk finished the game so fast since i had like 50 hours on early access i feel like i missed out on some of the experience, are any other early access players feeling like that or no?

[vast oriole]

the keepsake to activate 2 random Arcana's seem really horrible to me, since you are likely running Strength as like 2nd best card after Origination, and you really don't wanna activate the Death Defiance card.

[cosmic burrow]

Define “so fast”? I played blind on Switch 2 and had 42 hours logged after I had seen the credits roll. Didn’t play Hades 1

[vast oriole]

btw some of your keepsakes activate their "ability" at the next fountain. Can you just equip the keepsake after a boss and trigger the "ability" immediately since there is already a fountain next to you?

[trail blade]

Yep!

[cosmic burrow]

Of course

[trail blade]

The keepsake case is not locked like everything else when you get to a new region.

[vast oriole]

I'm farily conviced by now that IF you can pet the Heph triggers enough and get it to like 2-3 secs it easily out performs everything else.

Zeus doen't come close at that point anymore

[vivid flare]

It does

Especially with the Duos that boost it further

[vast oriole]

yeah the "echo triggers" poush it even more over the top

[cosmic burrow]

The better of runs in my history all used Heph blasts. It’s really interesting going through your strategy archives with that shade

[trail blade]

The issue is Heph is extremely pom greedy and doesn't come into his own without a lot of investment, so there's rarely actual potential to do this.

[vast oriole]

getting a 2nd effect and make it reoccur

[vivid flare]

And the Apollo Duo for more damage

[cosmic burrow]

||starting with jeweled Pom makes everything at least level 4 for the night. I’ve gone so far as fear 16 without too much concern using Heph||

[vast oriole]

ofc that's why I emphasized the "IF"

[trail blade]

||But then you can't actually guarantee Heph at all :p||

[cosmic burrow]

If I could post a photo of my keepsakes, rows 1 and 2 are all 2/3 stars. I haven’t bothered with the god specific ones. I just play randomly anyway

[dire patio]

im not sure the edge you get from heph at high levels and rarity is worth it

[trail blade]

In theory it is.

[cosmic burrow]

Heph, by no means, requires pom levels.

[vivid flare]

It can carry a run on its own when the stars align

And even when they don't align perfectly

[trail blade]

In practice, most other gods also get to be game-breakers just fine with that amount of investment.

[dire patio]

any boon is good enough to beat the game

[trail blade]

Wrong! EA Apollo.

[vast oriole]

tbh i think every room after ||Prometheus|| to ||Typhon|| is harder than ||Prometheus|| itself once you figured him out.

[dire patio]

the minibosses on the summit are harder than prome lol

[trail blade]

I am so bad at Prommy.....

[cosmic burrow]

I’ve to agree here. As much fun as dodging can be, it just prolongs fights if you don’t have any heavy offense. I struggle to pick any Apollo location rewards before I’ve secured my attacking boons

[vast oriole]

all around a pretty "low tier" god imo

[dire patio]

apollo is the primary boon in the current wr

[trail blade]

Apollo is pretty decent now. Lucid Gain is really good and Prominence Flare still lets you press cast during its anim unlike EA.

[vast oriole]

sure he provides utility especially in the secondaries but relatively to the rest of the cast he rather falls off imo.

[dire patio]

he's got the 2nd highest damage additions behind aphro but without the drawback and + range

actually hera might be 2nd I forget

[vast oriole]

which one do you mean specifically?

[dire patio]

his attack and special boons

he also has strong cast boons

[vast oriole]

you mean +% and aoe?

[trail blade]

Yeah, the numbers are pretty big on Attack and Special.

Cast applies Orig, so does Dash, Gain is probably in the upper half at least. Prom Flare is good damage, some of his duos are pretty good.

He's boring but he's good.

[vast oriole]

yeah, but no curses and even Aphro gives you a bigger % without a curse

[trail blade]

Aphro also requires you to be close to your enemy :p

Apollo's is unconditional.

[vast oriole]

i don't think on the attack e.g.

[trail blade]

Nope, on both attack and special, you must be close to get the bonus.

[vast oriole]

ah i see. I still don't consider both to be as good as almost any others.

[trail blade]

Aphro is ridculous. Literally use her attack on Axe and never think again lol.

[vast oriole]

ye on Axe I actually tend to get it often. But it's also a total different thinking since Zeus is kinda bad with it.

[trail blade]

Pash Dash or Rapture Ring, then basically any random curse from another God and you're melting bars.

The thing about curses is that you basically are already doing 3 things constantly (dashing, casting, and attack/special) so something not having a curse is fine as long as you can fill the other stuff with curses.

[vast oriole]

mostly, but Axe special is so limited that for that weapon specifically you can't really count on applying your curse with that one.

[trail blade]

Attack -> Attack -> Special -> Attack -> Attack -> Special is the axe loop lol.

[vast oriole]

well, the best Axe aspect is simply Charon

[trail blade]

OK so you're pressing two buttons got it lol.

[vast oriole]

dodge into a crowd, place curse, start channel and then dodge out again while the channel is charging

the part where you can dodge in the Omega Special's channel just pushes that aspect above.

[trail blade]

Who cares, most rooms aren't big enough for that to matter, just put the cast on yourself and hold spec.

In fact, you'd love Apollo Regen since it will be mana positive forever.

[vast oriole]

you can always and in any encounter channel without draw back

that's just huge especially vs bosses

[deft turret]

Can confirm charon axe rules, got me my first and only surface win, tempted to just run that again to get rest of my wins

[trail blade]

If you want really brainless wins, just use Medea skull.

[vast oriole]

Medea is just broken

[trail blade]

Roll your finger from Spec to Attack and watch as the game falls before you.

[vast oriole]

I don't even touch it because of that

[deft turret]

I've tried, the combo is kinda hard to pull off fast enough on mouse and keyboard

[vast oriole]

and executing Charon properly isn't even that trivial

[trail blade]

Never got nerfed btw!!!!!

It never ever got nerfed!

But Pan did! Whatever.

[deft turret]

Any of u played it on mouse and keyboard?

[tired monolith]

yes for a big part of EA

[deft turret]

What keybinds to spam it fast

[trail blade]

I mean, attack and spec are on mouse buttons right... just press 'em quick... or use an MMO mouse....

[tired monolith]

wdym? it's just mouse buttons on Medea

[deft turret]

Lclick rclick is just not fast enough

It might be a skill issue lowkey, nvm

[tired monolith]

I assure you it's faster than the delay you have from the aspect itself

[tired monolith]

are you loading all three skulls before firing the special?

just spam load -> special. Don't try to load more attacks into it

[deft turret]

When I try to pull it off it usually just either keeps loading or keeps doing specials, not alternating

[tired monolith]

even if you alternate?

[vast oriole]

not sure if there is anything faster of your entire input possiblities than LMB/RMB which you have on 2 different fingers.

[tired monolith]

so like l -> r -> l -> r..?

[deft turret]

Yuh

[tired monolith]

huh, weird?

[deft turret]

Might just be my mouse

[tired monolith]

yeah exactly

and very dextrous fingers, at that

index and middle finger of the (usually) dominant hand

in fact I miss the speed when I play on controller by comparison

[tired monolith]

it's possible. Do you have a way to check?

[vast oriole]

this game is the only one i plugged in my controller for over 2 years 😄
optimally you put Dash and Cast on Shoulder buttons and have the attacks on the 2 face buttons

then you can press everything simultaneously. and for that combo you slide your thumb from X to Y

same with Staff. If you slide that way you also have higher dps than with the attack combo

[dire patio]

i like having cast on left paddle

[vast oriole]

and you apply 2 effects

attack, special is Staff's highest dps until your build specifics kick in

[tired monolith]

honestly if I was a bit less lazy I'd keep practicing my favourite theoretical setup, which is mouse + controller

mouse to aim / shoot / cast / hex, controller to move / dash

[vast oriole]

Issue with controller is always that WASD doesn't let you turn that accurate in these type of games

[tired monolith]

exactly why it's mouse + controller rather than mouse + keyboard

[vast oriole]

ofc smth totally different when you can influence directions with mouse like in fps etc

[vast oriole]

oh mouse and controller 😮

never tried this before tbh

Does that even work properly and not cause any issues with switching input methods?

[tired monolith]

haven't had issues so far

[dire patio]

why not use a controller with a trackpad

[vast oriole]

who even has that? 😄

[dire patio]

i have 3

[tired monolith]

1. don't have one
2. no way it's as accurate / fast as a mouse,

[dire patio]

you would be surprised but it's not like you're 360 no scoping

[vast oriole]

I mean for 99% of use cases a mouse is 500% as accurate.

[dire patio]

what do you need such high accuracy for? and you would be surprised

[vast oriole]

literally every first person shooter

or third person etc. Everything that requires aim

[dire patio]

hitting your target is fairly easy in Hades 2

I played xiv on steam controller for many years the accuracy is there if you practice

[vast oriole]

yeah sure, I mean in general i wouldn't specifically look for a track pad since the use cases are rather niche

but since you brought it up in that context. MAYBE i get one additionally for my next controller, which i almost never bust out 🙂

Trusty Shield is such a monster of a boon imo

[tall kernel]

I had a question about the ||oath of fear||. Can I ask about it here? Or should I do it in victory boasting or builds?

[trail blade]

Just ask here.

[calm path]

what's the cap for grasp upgrades?

[vast oriole]

last upgrade is 500 btw.

[tall kernel]

I’m on the earliest ||fear levels|| and I see an option for staff daggers and skull for the first three bosses but no option for the axe or torches or the 6th weapon I haven’t unlocked yet. What’s the deal with fear in this game compared to heat in hades?

[trail blade]

Keep progressing, lol.

[signal bolt]

||fear does add difficulty but it's far less rng dependent than heat||

||it's more reliant on ur technical knowledge and skills which is very fun||

[dire patio]

it will only show you bosses you have access to at the moment

[cosmic burrow]

Has anyone else gone beyond ||fear 16?||
||I haven’t yet done the rivals 2 fight. I’m upgrading keepsakes first||

[vivid flare]

And only the ones you've encountered

[vast oriole]

you know these monsters that stick their head out of the water and fire ranged from Oceanus and the Summit?

it kinda sucks when your hex summons these and they end up on land being bugged doing nothing 😄

[wanton plover]

are there like "romance scenes" in this game?

[vast oriole]

you mean like NSFW? 😄

[vivid flare]

Yes

[vast oriole]

||The Eye of Typhon|| has like the Visual Clarity of 0% 😄

probably the fight with most clattered screen

[indigo quest]

What is the best starting keepsake that isn't a god one

[deft zealot]

act 1 helper is a good start, odysseus and nemesis can be good for getting your first clears

[upbeat sedge]

anything that gives long term power

which is also what a god keepsake does in a sense

[wise reef]

Skellys keepsake

[indigo quest]

But I use Strength

[vivid flare]

Pig, I suppose

[vast oriole]

oke, I actually beat ||Typhon|| on 2nd try. Would have thought at all after the desaster on first one

[tidal moss]

Have you rolled credits

[upbeat sedge]

if you are in the post game, one of those keepsakes is objectively the best if you dont want to start god keepsake

if you are not, chaos egg is probably your best bet

[indigo quest]

I have rolled credits yes

[tidal moss]

||pom is goated||

[upbeat sedge]

okay then start with one of the postgame keepsakes

[indigo quest]

Which one

[vast oriole]

dunno yet 😄

[upbeat sedge]

||pom||

[wanton plover]

even implied is ok haha like hades 1

[vast oriole]

I don't get the bath 😄
Now even after ||Typhon|| I haven't found an option to go in there with someone.

[tidal moss]

You need bath salts

[vast oriole]

I have some

I'm a bit confused. After ||Typhon|| the story seems to be concluded. However I haven't seen credits, so it seems there is still smth to do besides besides grinding higher Testaments and upgrades?

[tidal moss]

Have you unlocked the needed incantions for the credits?

[vast oriole]

i don't even know which that would be tbh.

the one with the "?" probably?

[tidal moss]

The dissolution incantions yes

[vast oriole]

I mean as long as there is a "?" i wouldn't even know what it wants from me 🙂
So I kill ||Chronos|| again?

[tidal moss]

You need to kill both bosses more

I can give you exact numbers if u want

[vast oriole]

"kill them more" seems like a weird requirement 😄

[tidal moss]

You need a specific number of kills for each one to advance the story

[vast oriole]

alright thanks. But I mean If i did it once for ||Typhon|| it gets subsequently easier and Chronos is a non issue anyways. Guess I'll honestly move on to another game, since there is gladly a lot of stuff lately in the pipeline.

[tidal moss]

You're not gonna finish the story?

[vast oriole]

meh, if it requires me to run the same stuff several times again probably not

[vivid flare]

It's a roguelite

What did you expect

[tidal moss]

Roguelite players when they have to play a rougelite

[indigo quest]

Does fig leaf still work for other regions when it's changed to a different keepsake

[vivid flare]

Yes

[tidal moss]

Yes

[indigo quest]

So best to use as starting keepsake

[tidal moss]

Second region is better if you take smh like ||pom||

[vast oriole]

you get me wrong. I mean finishing becomes easier now, so I'd so the same stuff increasingly easier till I see the credits. Sure i can go above my currently 12 Fear afterwards, but I rather play smth else. To Each their own.

[indigo quest]

So a very good keepsake run would be pom -> fig leaf -> ? -> ?

[tidal moss]

My normal is ||pom-leaf-athena-vial/fleece/bones||

[wise reef]

Does the fated list give random good boons on runs sometimes?

Like if a boon says something like || “the fated list predicts youll choose this”||

[tidal moss]

Huh?

[wise reef]

What does it mean when a boon u pick mentions the fated list?

I dont have any boon checklist prophecies im near the start

[tidal moss]

The fate list means you need to take every boon at least once

[wise reef]

But all 3 boons i could pick were new ones i havent tried and only 1 had that message

Idk i guess ill keep playing n find out.

It was the most busted boon ive gotten so far

|| heal on omega move kill ||

[tidal moss]

That's a hammer, not a boon

[wise reef]

Ah ok , question still applies tho about the fated list

[indigo quest]

Can someone explain Fates Whim? Does that mean I should started with zero rerolls and avoid god boons, I dont understand it

[tidal moss]

You cannot activate the reroll arcana, and if you equip any of keepsakes that guarantee you a boon, (except athena) you will lose it

Plus all the fate's whim keepsakes persist

[indigo quest]

So you can have them just not use them ever

[tidal moss]

Huh?

[indigo quest]

I mean you must not have any rolls at all and never pick keepsake with God's, except Athena and why only her

[tidal moss]

Cause she doesn't give a boon you just talk to her idk

Just deactivate the reroll arcana and go to town

[indigo quest]

What's a good arcana loadout for fates whim build

[tidal moss]

Whatever you want, just put on origination and lovers

[indigo quest]

Also are the other fates whim keepsakes worth it or really only pom?

[vivid flare]

Yes

[tidal moss]

They're all really good

[knotty shore]

||what boss is this? lol https://imgur.com/SLSfWTN||

[vivid flare]

One ||gives you a half-dozen rarifies to be used on whatever you want||, the other ||lets you sell room rewards||

[tidal moss]

Hecate

[tidal moss]

What?