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[raven sluice]

It damaged me remotely from afar?.

[faint tundra]

Precisely, yes. The higher the Scorch amount, the longer the debuff lasts.

[raven sluice]

idk how to deal with it

[autumn flare]

I can't really think of how they could've worded it more poorly

[gloomy lynx]

idk what to tell you 😄 don't get into tornado?

[elfin granite]

Scorch is "stored" damage that gets applied at a rate of 80/second.

[gloomy lynx]

i am checking it right now and the game says 100/s

[willow void]

If it is truly just Hangover, I think hangover is worded much better. And the visual indicator of how many stacks of Hangover you have was really useful. I found Hangover very intuitive. Scorch is not.

[elfin granite]

Whatever it says, yeah. The rate changed a bunch during EA and I haven't kept up.

[autumn flare]

It's not hangover, hangover has a set duration and you stack the hangover to increase damage

[raven sluice]

No it just made a winding up motion and damaged me across the room, no projectiles or anythng

is that supposed to happen

[autumn flare]

In scorch the DPS is set and you just increase the duration

[gloomy lynx]

Afflicted foes take 100 damage accrued from this every 1 sec, so it's extra 100 dmg/sec.
if the hit deals 30 scorch, that means the damage you added will be done in course of 0.3 sec

[autumn flare]

The wording should be Afflicted foes take 100 damage per second up to the duration of scorch damage dealt. or something

[gloomy lynx]

sry man, I don't remember all the attacks 😭 can't help without seeing that again

[autumn flare]

To make it clear the DPS is constant and scorch only affects duration

[faint tundra]

It's probably the hardest to wrap your head around, yeah. I will say though, it's a fantastic way to apply an arcana card effect called ||Origination, a damage bonus you receive when an enemy has 2 curses applied to them|| (Spoiling since I'm unsure if arcana cards are part of spoiler material for our discord, just being on the safe side).

[raven sluice]

Np i’ll just search a youtube vid or smth, thanks

[autumn flare]

Yiss, i'll be sure to incorporate some of it, especially when I move to the faster weapons, and when I get that card

From what I can tell scorch then fills the same niche zeus filled in hades 1, Ie. being strong on fast weapons

[gloomy lynx]

it should be 100 dmg/sec and there's this boon called Pyro Technique which makes it deal dmg faster. If it works as I understand it, on basic +50% scorch deals 150 dmg/sec instead of 100

[willow void]

Honestly the word “accrued” the hardest part for me to wrap my head around. If it is simply, deal 100/s for X seconds where X is the number of hits, that is simple. What does accrued have to do with anything?

[gloomy lynx]

you can "accrue" less than 100 scorch

so it will be burn for less than 1 sec

[elfin granite]

That's not how it works.

[autumn flare]

It's not X hits, you deal as many seconds of damage as it would take to deal all of the "scorch damage" you have accrued

[gloomy lynx]

you "accrue" a number by hitting a target repeatedly, and then the number is "drained" with a set speed, dealing damage

[elfin granite]

scorch = delayed damage

[gloomy lynx]

While im here, i have "bewitching eye" track on repeat which plays like 4th time ahaha

[shy zephyr]

global damage modifiers increase damage dealt without changing how much is decreased from it, it's literally just hangover but stronger

[elfin granite]

So the global damage mod is applied after the conversion from scorch to actual damage?

[shy zephyr]

yes
imagine you have 100 scorch applied to an enemy. every 1/6 of a second, 16.6 is reduced from it, this 16.6 is then increased by any global damage modifiers you have and dealt to the enemy as damage

so for example if you have origination and furies both active, the enemy will lose 30 hp every time scorch ticks, but the status effect is only reduced by 16.6, so you deal 180 damage with 100 scorch stacks

this becomes even better with a high rarity pyro technique as it makes the 16.6 reduction apply faster and faster

[willow void]

So you are saying, I hit an enemy for 10 damage and apply scorch. If I no longer attack then scorch does nothing? But if I continue to attack and deal 50 damage the enemy will take an additional 50 from scorch? As long as that 50 damage was applied within 1 second of scorch being applied? And ideally I want to deal 100 damage within that 1 second in order to get the extra 100 damage from scorch?

[gloomy lynx]

you hit an enemy for 10 damage and apply 50 scorch - you deal 10 damage right away and 50 over a course of 0.5 sec

[willow void]

What is applying the 50 scorch? If I only hit for 10, how did I apply 50 scorch?

[gloomy lynx]

bruh

[willow void]

I’m really not trying to be difficult. I really appreciate everyone’s help with this. In my opinion Scorch is the least intuitive and worst written status effect in the game. I’ve put 150+ runs in H1 and never had this much trouble understanding a boon.

[gloomy lynx]

for example, basic flame strike boon reads "your attacks inflict scorch (50 damage)" this is the number without levels or rarity upgrades

1 hit of your attack with apply 50 scorch. without upgrades

it doesnt matter if you use your small damage attacks that deal 10 dmg or take axe that deals hundreds of damage, SCORCH damage will be the same

that's why you take scorch on weapons that hit fast and not on axe

But if you ask me, what's the dps of scorch with different % bonus boons\arcanas, I won't be able to help you, because I don't know 😂

[woven monolith]

So like the Twin blades and Skull would be pretty good

[gloomy lynx]

yes, same as % damage increase gods (aphrodite) will work better with high damage hits like axe

[willow void]

Ah, I see. So I hit with X damage and apply 50 scorch. If I can apply another 50 scorch by hitting again within 1 second, the enemy will take 100 damage at the end of that second (maybe not all the damage at once, just trying to keep it simple). Without upgrading the boom I can’t accrue more than 100 damage per second. So a weapon that does two hits per second would apply the max possible damage.

[gloomy lynx]

you can keep applying more than 100 scorch per second to keep the scorch going - e.g. for the ||origination|| arcana

or to just stack scorch, run away and wait till the enemy just dies (realistically, you wouldn't do that but you could)

there's also Aphrodite+Hestia duo boon, if you have it going, you can apply even 50 scorch, as long as you keep the Weak effect going, the enemy will keep burning for 100 dmg/sec

[willow void]

Does the applied scorch not expire? So if I hit twice, reaching 100/s, the enemy will continue to take that damage until they die?

[gloomy lynx]

no, what i said applies only for the duo boon Aphrodite+Hestia

[scenic arrow]

1 scorch = 1 damage. Scorch will drain at 100 /s, while dealing 100 dps(without bonuses)

If you apply 100 scorch per second you basically won't see it accrue up

[thick halo]

Is there any way to see the friendship of NPCs?

In Hades it was only pressing L1 when being near one, but doesn't work here

[scenic arrow]

you unlock an incantation soon

[thick halo]

aight

[willow void]

Oh! This might be what I’ve been missing the whole time! So I can hit 10 times, dealing 50 scorch each time for a total of 500 scorch. The scorch will then start draining at a rate of 100/s dealing 100/s.

[covert oxide]

so, does anyone know for boons that say "inflict X the first time they strike foes" if that is the first time for that room, the first time for that foe, or the first strike for that specific move?

[scenic arrow]

the scorch is basically always draining, but yes

[willow void]

Right, just trying to keep it simple.

[scenic arrow]

If you look carefully at the enemy, you'll see the orange number. The number is how many scorch stacks they have right now, constantly ticking down

[gloomy lynx]

i feel like i said it twice already 😭

[willow void]

Thank you @gloomy lynx for your patience! And thank you @scenic arrow for saying it in a way that finally clicked for me!

[shy zephyr]

first time for that foe

[covert oxide]

cool, thanks

[willow void]

I know I’m beating a dead horse, but I’m going to jot down my new understanding of Scorch in hopes that it helps someone else.

When your attack has a Scorch boon each attack will apply X scorch damage to the enemy. Imagine when the scorch damage is applied, it is deposited into a bank account (each enemy has their own account). This account is always being drained at a rate of 100/s, and anytime damage is drained from the account the enemy’s HP is reduced by the amount drained. If you only have 30 damage in the account, the enemy will lose 30 HP within the next second (technically 30 HP in 0.3s). You want to keep the account balance above 100 by attacking quickly so that the enemy is always losing 100 HP per second.

[rigid flare]

Thanks this helps a lot, I just got hades 2 yesterday and I was confused about hestia's scorch mechanic

[gloomy lynx]

.<

[thick halo]

Is it normal to use the first weapon as a sniper XD

I dont do melee attacks with the blessings I have rn

[rigid flare]

Maybe it's because I have not reached enough into hades 2 yet but it seems that zeus isn't as strong as he used to be in hades 1

Poseidon feels stronger on the other hand

[frigid tapir]

where can i find bronze? i've found alot of silver but dont seem to find bronze

[gloomy lynx]

i asked around, to be precise, damage is dealt every 1/6 sec (it doesn't change what you wrote in general, just specifies a bit)

[gloomy lynx]

||surface 1st region||

[scenic arrow]

zeus is quite good, but as a damage support piece

I think it's relatively uncommon to only use zeus for core boons to win

[latent dock]

||bronze is on the surface||

[vivid flare]

Spoiler tag that

[vivid flare]

Nah, he's still great. Fantastic scaling and a lot of ways within his kit to scale up further

Plus he has fantastic Duos

[frail grail]

i already beat hell, and i still havnt gotten the familiar quest, is my game bugged or what?

i have still not gotten the incantation, it shouldve been there ages ago

[vivid flare]

You need specific dialogue from Hecate

When in doubt about a combat system unlock, it's usually "Hecate hasn't told you about it yet"

[frail grail]

im talking to her every time i get out! i already pat the cat, comfort the frog, still nothing

[vivid flare]

It's fight dialogue

Not an either/or like the ||Vow of Rivals|| unlock

[slim forge]

||does anyone now how it works in the Olympus going up to Prometheus, when there is a path that goes up and a path that goes like inside of the chamber is the path to the chamber like an extra or it doesn't matter which route I take and it's the same, cuz I wondered about that and never know||

[vivid flare]

My brother in Christ, use spoiler tags

[slim forge]

SORRY I TOTALLY FORGOT

my first time writing here

[vivid flare]

The only difference between the ||launch pads and the doors on Olympus is that launch pads will always lead outside (which can spawn Icarus or Athena if you haven't seen them this run) as well as do the ground pound, and doors will usually lead to indoor rooms, which have a chance for Heracles jumpscare. I think Aetos can show up in both outdoor and indoor rooms. Also, the midshop is almost always from a launch pad, and the final shop and Dionysus are always from a door||

[slim forge]

okay thank you for the anwser

[frail grail]

can someone explain wound system it kinda makes no sense to me

it says "+50 power when inflicting this" so do they stop getting power when its at full power?..

[vivid flare]

When you apply it, the hit that applies it does 50 more base damage

[frail grail]

yeah but what happens when at max stacks

[vivid flare]

There is no stacking

[split silo]

in short, every 3 seconds per enemy, your attack gets +50 power

[frail grail]

says max 3 stacks

[vivid flare]

The only 3 in that curse's description is the duration, which is 3 seconds

[frail grail]

so this is just for slow hitting weapons like axe?..

[vivid flare]

It's basically a miniature Heph blast, you deal extra damage on a cooldown, exvept this cooldown is per enemy

[frail grail]

i cant think of any other weapon this would be good on

outside of axe

or mayyyyyyyyyyyyybe secondary torches? :/ meh

[vivid flare]

Nah, axe barely benefits from Wounds since its base damage is already so high. You want it on a medium-speed weapon like the Skull or non-hidden Staff

[sonic sparrow]

what is up with the lifestealing elite event on floor 3

im hitting for 180 a combo and this dude heals for 1440 every time he lands a single hit on me

am i stupid and missing something

[vivid flare]

The vampire? Simply stay behind it

[sonic sparrow]

or is it just a requirement to hitless it

[vivid flare]

All its attacks hit in front of it

[prime mica]

yea you basically cant get hit too much, dashing through it is key

[frail grail]

does the % damage take the curse into account or is this seperate

[sonic sparrow]

thats cringe

[frail grail]

because this gives flat damage, does itget calculated before or after?

[vivid flare]

It does

[frail grail]

are you sure?

[vivid flare]

Perhaps

[restive swallow]

I am quickly discovering that Hades 2 is 'what if Hades, but really unfair?' and I'm here for it

[vivid flare]

Oh, just you wait

[restive swallow]

oh I know it's going to get worse

[dark breach]

I have no clue how I'm ever supposed to beat that stupid second boss

[split silo]

||focus on one member at a time, i would suggest the drummer, when it goes invulnerable i would focus the other member, the guitarist, and then scylla herself||

||after that the featured artist phase will come, i would ignore it and still target the drummer to get her off the board, the fight becomes much easier then||

[restive swallow]

You should check they want to be told how to do it first

but yes that is the way to do it

[split silo]

ah true, sorry

just went on autopilot assuming they wanted help

[restive swallow]

sometimes people just yap 🤣 and that is okay

[prime mica]

well if they didnt they definitely shouldnt open the spoiler tags 😭

[split silo]

hey i’m one of those people myself

[dark breach]

All good

[restive swallow]

I love that for you

[dark breach]

But that's basically what I'm doing

But it's just that the whole screen keeps exploding over and over and I just die

[restive swallow]

okay so where is it going wrong?

[dark breach]

I usually get to that other phase you are mentioning. Also the hp bar just turns grey at some point and I can't deal dmg anymore

I'm using this as good as I can with my limited access to boons and I have no aspects either. https://mobalytics.gg/hades-2/builds/witchs-staff-starter-build#general-tips-and-tricks-4

Not sure if that's any good

[vivid flare]

||Roxy, the drummer, is your highest priority, especially if she's featured. She's both immobile and the one spawning all the ground AoEs. After that, your next priority is Scylla herself, since Jetty (the guitarist) tends to just run off to the opposite corner of the arena at the start of the fight. You'll worry about killing Jetty first much later on, once you begin dealing with the timer vow and have more experience with Roxy's AoE patterns||

[vast oriole]

Does the incantation that points towards ressources cover the whole map. Like in Field of Mourning the locations can be pretty big.

[vivid flare]

It will, yes

[restive swallow]

I would not sweat mobalytics guides

[vast oriole]

so there's never the need to actually run around and look. The incantation would always cover the whole location?

[restive swallow]

Try not to focus on the wrong things and take the encounter as it is

[vivid flare]

Yeah, that's what it's made to do. Though it's not a terrible idea to do some scouting because of the map size

[dark breach]

Do you have any advice for a good beginner build? I think I like the Staff best so far. || Knives are also ok but harder to use I think. I haven't tried the flames yet though and I hated the Axe in the two runs I tried it. Didn't even bit Hecate.||

[vivid flare]

The biggest piece of advice I can give you for axe is that using axe's special will reset the attack chain, and you can animation cancel the attack into it

[dark breach]

And what weapon would u say is the best for a beginner? especially with no aspects

[vivid flare]

Whichever one you feel most comfortable using

[dark breach]

I just didn't enjoy the axe because it is sooooo slow and has no ranged attack besides the one omega

[vivid flare]

Trust me when I say this: when you start to understand the tech it has, that thing feels as fast as the knives

[signal bolt]

yea axe is the slowest weapon, u can get siege shredder hammer that gives range but it's so unbelievably narrow i miss 70% of the time

[dark breach]

And can you recommend a good build? maybe I will give it another try then

[signal bolt]

but yea it does cracked damage once u get used to it, put % boons on ur attack

[vivid flare]

Also, the knives have one of the most run-defining hammers in the game, Trick Knives

[vast oriole]

I can basically always get offered all gods in a run, since the game says it only stops offering new ones until you have 4 different ones, rigth?

[vivid flare]

Aphrodite or Apollo attack, Zeus special

[vivid flare]

Yeah, you can only have up to 4 or 5 gods in your pool for a run, not counting Hermes

[restive swallow]

All are viable. The biggest tip is to adjust to what you get, that's it

[dark breach]

Trick Knives is the dash attack?

[vivid flare]

And until that pool has filled, it can be anyone

[restive swallow]

being adaptive to what you are offered >>>> any particular build or strat

[vivid flare]

It's a hammer that makes your Dash attack toss out 3 specials

[dark breach]

Yeah I had that one once

[restive swallow]

you only really are looking for optiomal power builds if you are really just getting skill issued or you're speedrunning

[dark breach]

But it felt weird because I got hit

[vivid flare]

Yeah, dash attacks have shorter invuln frames

[dark breach]

Dashing in to attack felt very very dangerous

[primal trench]

afaik dash attacks had no iframes at all?

[vast oriole]

the pool doesn't get filled by just being offered boons like at a door, you don't have to go through. The pool gets filled by actually taking a different god's boon?

[restive swallow]

keep in mind the knives' special to dash in behind the enemy

you basically always have good engage

[vivid flare]

Yeah, it's only once you actually pick up their boons that they're added to the pool

[restive swallow]

and some enemies are actually easier to handle if you stay close

[vivid flare]

Technically speaking, 0 frames is shorter than the 10 or so you'd have normally :3

[primal trench]

you got me

[long meadow]

hey quick question ||there is some use for the fish other than selling them? like there is some achievement for having them all at the same time or something like thta?||

[prime mica]

You can just sell them, AFAIK they aren't used for incantations either

[long meadow]

okay cool

[primal trench]

yeah just bones

[restive swallow]

but bones can be turned into helpful things so it's good to do

genuinely though idk, if someone starts hades 2 without beating hades 1, I wish them luck 🤣

[frigid tapir]

whats the purpose of shadow extraction at the couldron? i brewed it once and then i could brew it again

[fleet pewter]

Oops wrong channel

[vivid flare]

There's a few different things that require it. Notably, cooking it further into moon dust for your card upgrades

Spoiler. Tags

[hushed night]

Is Hades 2 supposed to be that easy? Got to ||Cerberus|| on 4th run. I don't remember first game being that easy, took me a lot before first win against Meg and this one feels like smooth sailing

[fleet pewter]

Deleted, thanks

[vivid flare]

Tag that

It might just be that you're a better gamer compared to when you started Hades 1

[fleet pewter]

You brought your giit gud shoes from the previous game. Worry not. The game has enough challenges later on

[vivid flare]

||"COME HERE, TROUBLE!"||

[thick halo]

I genuinely don't understand ||Cerberus'|| bossfight

I just get one shot

All the floor gets covered and I can't evade anything

And his attacks deal an absurd amount of dmg too

[native vault]

Run. A lot

[vivid flare]

Well, there's two ways you can go about it. 1) you look for the completely open spots, or 2) you do what's known as a 3-1 dodge, where you stand in the AoE that spawned third and dodge into an AoE that just went off first

[native vault]

I am basically constantly spamming dodge when fighting that boss

[vivid flare]

Also, he's a lot less dangerous when you're behind him

[fallow pecan]

whats the hotkey for inventory?

[native vault]

I have only been unable to beat chronos and || whoever the boss of the 4th surface area is cause I have not reached that boss yet ||

[vivid flare]

The slams don't reach much past his hitbox there, and you can't get hit by the ||fire breath or exploding bites||

[native vault]

You will get him eventually

[vivid flare]

||Biggest recommendation for killing Typhon: stay up under his head. His chin slam is the easiest attack to dodge and he tends to do that over the eye mortars or tornado breath if you're right on top of him. Also, the tongue laser has a dead zone near his head||

[native vault]

I have a feeling this fight is gonna be harder than chronos lmao

Like just the area that fight is in is extremely hard

[vivid flare]

Nah, once you learn how to abuse his AI, he's easier than ||Prom||

[native vault]

Ah ok

[fierce cobalt]

What are aspects for

[native vault]

I was honestly shocked that I managed to beat this dude on my first try I just got very lucky and almost died

[vivid flare]

Adding new mechanics or slight functionality changes to the weapons

For instance, you can change the 40mm grenade launcher Skull into an overcooked grenade where you're the projectile

[restive swallow]

I think a lot of players forget that Hades with no difficulty amplifiers is always on the easier side, plus we've played it before. || And there's more floors than before ||

[vivid flare]

As another example, you can make torches become flat-out better because now your specials detonate your attacks (which does the damage of the attack again)

[prime mica]

i wouldn't say h2 is easier than h1, i think you went through an isometric arpg learning experience in h1 and those skillsets transferred to this game.

[restive swallow]

Yup. And the difficulty escelates pretty fast 🤣

[dark breach]

I don't think Hades is easy at all I just can't get past the Sirens not clue why.

Can someone explain familiars to me? I just unlocked them and are supposed to give some sort of dog biscuits to them but I have no clue what to do or what familiar to even get

[vivid flare]

They're pets that provide stat bonuses and some combat effect

[elfin patio]

cute lil friends who give different thngs and buff

[prime mica]

||i believe you get some for free when you first unlock them, but you can craft more in the cauldron. you don't really "choose" which ones to get because they need to be found in runs multiple times before they will join you. just keep playing basically||

[silent mason]

Do boons do more damage when you use them in an omega skill? Or is it a 'flat number'? 🙂

[vast oriole]

What does "Auto Fire" in the controls do?

[prime mica]

only if the boon explicitly states that it increases omega damage, like weed killer (your omega attack does more damage but uses more magick). though omega attacks always have higher base power than regular attacks, and are affected by boons that increase "specials" or "attacks"

[silent mason]

Alright. So to double check.. lets say I have the Sword Ring boon (create a falling blade over each foe in the binding circle for 80/110/140/170), the regular cast will invoke the same amount of blade damage as the omega version?

[shy zephyr]

if a boon states a flat number then yes, it's the same for base and omega
if it states a percentage, then it's different on base and omega

[timber saffron]

HEAVY SPOILERS
||Buff Zagreus my boy ||

[vivid flare]

Yeah, since the boon does nothing to change the Ocast's damage, it's just adding an effect

[silent mason]

Clear! Cheers guys

[frigid tapir]

what kind i do twith the pearls that the sirens drop?

[vivid flare]

They're used for upgrades

[ashen halo]

||hiii, is there eventually a way to pet cerberus? ive been looking forward to it but it doesnt seem likely qwq||

[shy zephyr]

keep playing and you'll see

[fallow pecan]

what does that pointing up finger mean above the room reward choices?

[shy zephyr]

an ingredient for something you marked as forget me not is in there

[fallow pecan]

oh okay thats kind cool. thanls

[plain sage]

Is it normal to not get many boons in some runs? Like I've gotten to the second area with like 3 boons (including Selene) and no paths to get other ones.

[vivid flare]

Yep

[stiff hawk]

how to complete the melinoe help us quest

[vivid flare]

||Epilogue||

[restive swallow]

Question about going up: || Are the resources needed to unbound the fates found up there exclusively? ||

[wanton plover]

hi what does ambrosia do again exactly? compared to nectar

[vivid flare]

No, ||only moss||

[restive swallow]

okay || so gotta die a few times then 🤣 ||

[vivid flare]

Ambrosia is for the final heart in a character's relationship, generally

[long meadow]

how do i complete the mission of ||help the fates?||

[gloomy lynx]

depends on what point of the game you are

[long meadow]

kinda early ig

[gloomy lynx]

then you kinda don't for a long time, it's a quest that finishes the game

[long meadow]

i ||already beat chronos and reach the last boss of the other route||

oh

[gloomy lynx]

i hope it doesn't count as a spoiler

[long meadow]

nah

[sharp ermine]

||holy sh*t I'm slowly realising that the surface is actually another set of totally new regions and essentially a 2nd game....god damn||

[gloomy lynx]

man it's like really really wrong # to be asking this question

it's not new players question

[native fox]

bro i didnt know the ask the question in which channel. builds and combat?

[gloomy lynx]

prob just discussion but with a spoiler, if you want i can instead pm you

[scenic arrow]

h2-discussion prob

idk how to answer your question because I haven't done it yet lol

[native fox]

okey bro. come dm

[vivid flare]

||It's why people say this game has double the content of the first||

[restive swallow]

Okay I have discovered my favourite combo yet || Demeter and the axe ||

[prime mica]

Her gust boons that reduce attack speed are great for axe too, gives you more time to finish your swings

[restive swallow]

I mean, for me, it's just keeping them frozen whilst I combo

and stacking % damage buffs

[dark breach]

Finally got the second boss

Would u say Apollo or Aphrodite Attack is better for the axe?

[prime mica]

For sure, and gust will keep them weak while your freeze is on cd

[restive swallow]

Apollo is better, it lets you outrange everything, at least imo

[restive swallow]

Feels unnecessary at this stage 🤣

I've got +70% damage from chaos so I'm just cooking atm

but I'll probably die to || Cerberus || like I did the last six times

[latent dock]

Whattt

He is so easy😭😭

[restive swallow]

The axe is soooo bad against him tho

[latent dock]

He is always a good boyyy

[latent dock]

U can make it easier in two ways

1. Get hermes boones which will make u faster and mix it with attacking speed boones

2. Open one of its aspects that helps u

[restive swallow]

Yes I know what'll help 🤣

I've got attack speed now at least from daedelus

[latent dock]

His attacks are so easy to dodge tho, i always just go behind him. Whenever he uses the huge circles move. There is a small gab between the circles that u can stand in it and use ur special for long range hit

[charred trout]

Do you get more boons as you progress? I feel like I get the same like 5 boon options

[latent dock]

The more you progress the more gods u will meet and the more boons u will find. Also in the arcana one of the cards gives u extra rarity for boons. Which gives new ones

[restive swallow]

Yes, but it's when he starts doing the massive aoes that I struggle, because they will fill most of the battlefield and I'm not used to going up and down rather than to the sides which he fills

[latent dock]

Thats what im talking abt , there are small gaps between them😭

Wait lemme show u

[restive swallow]

I see them, they fill the wholeass screen. The later ones anyway

[scenic arrow]

9 gods in total, same as Hades 1

[autumn axle]

What sprint boons work on dash and which only work on sprint? Unpleasant surprise taking pos dash on torches to replace heph dash

[gloomy lynx]

I dont remember the number but the boons specify if you need to dash or they work while sprinting

[scenic arrow]

aphro
||Athena||

[gloomy lynx]

And "rush" is both dash plus sprint

[autumn axle]

Ahh, that's the terminology got it thanks. Good to know.

||Don't take sprint things on torches ig, just dash and rush. ||

[subtle quail]

any advice for ||nemisis stealing all my kills then stealing my coins?||

first thing ive had in this game that ive actively disliked in like 12 hours

wouldnt be annoying if she didnt killsteal constantly

[shy zephyr]

as you get better at the game you'll learn how to deal much more damage, ||you'll kill enemies before she has a chance to steal them||

until then, just ||chase whoever she isn't chasing||

[subtle quail]

i think its more just cuz im playing axe

cuz the attacks are really slow

and i dont think im too bad at the game? i finished hades 1 and was grinding 3 phase final boss and i got to ||chronos on my 6th attempt||

just idk

really actively frustrating mechanic for my money to be stolen which is a first for supergiant

never had a mechanic in either of these games be like "okay i would rather this actively NOT be in the game" until now

if i spam give her nectar does she stop doing this

[gloomy lynx]

If enemies have armor, don't hit them, let her remove the armor. If your hits deal big damage but don't kill the mob, then let her deal some damage and after that finish the mob.
Unlike Thanatos, she doesn't oneshot mobs

[shy zephyr]

no it's a permanent thing

[subtle quail]

great -_-

[gloomy lynx]

Ahhaha dude wants to buy his way out 😂😂😂

[subtle quail]

if it means i can carry on with a game that is very nearly flawless then yeah removing her is my #1 strategy xd

[deft turret]

I just had my first clear yay

[subtle quail]

id be like "eh kinda annoying but whatever" if she didnt steal my fkn money

[deft turret]

Spin to win is the best

[subtle quail]

could always download a cheat table and just re-add 100 or revoke the 100 if i win and just remove the mechanic externally if it annoys me enough ig

[deft turret]

Also the hestia aphrodite duo boon hard carried me

[gloomy lynx]

Read the thing i typed a bit higher, hope it helps

[subtle quail]

yeah i did

sorry

[gloomy lynx]

Nothing to be sorry about

[autumn flare]

What's a good god/basic boon for the Sister Blades?

[subtle quail]

sigh no naughty swearies allowed here

with the axe i was waiting for her to get a couple stabs in so i could steal her kill but then she killed the mob quicker than my entire FRICKENING attack animation

im fine with challenges but this is the first "this mechanic is more annoying and bad than good and challenging" ive seen in the hades series x)

[silk estuary]

I'm so confused how do I get the Summoning of Musical Rhapsody incantation I can't find info anywhere

[subtle quail]

oh the sheep sucks POPSICLES too but thats only 1 attack in 1 boss so whatever

[true socket]

az

[idle gorge]

I struggle so much in this game

Like I cleared my first hades run in 11 attempt and now I'm barely able to beat ||scylla||

[gloomy lynx]

It's fine

[hallow glen]

how do i get more plant plots? i still only have 2 im so confused

[hallow glen]

hades 2is significantly harder

need to use ur full kit

i felt the same way when i first played

[idle gorge]

Yeah I noticed

I also hate ranged combat and this game is much more about it than the first.

I feel like you have to think way more whereas reflex-wise it's easier

[subtle quail]

i more just think its a lot harder to see what is actually hitting you than the first game, im asking myself "wtaf just hit me how did i die" FAR more in this one than hades

[gloomy lynx]

u'll get an incantation or something

[idle gorge]

That's also true.

Makes you understand the difference between zag and Mel, with zag being cc fighter while Mel is a witch

[silk estuary]

I'm so confused how do I get the Summoning of Musical Rhapsody incantation I can't find info anywhere I just want to listen to that awesome music

[lean yew]

I can't seem to unlock the aspect of Morrigan. I have a lvl 5 blade, all blade aspects, and all weapons unlocked. I have talked to Artemis 3 times, but she wont give phrase. Am I missing something or just rng?

[scenic arrow]

interesting, I feel the complete opposite

mel feels less helpless from long range and enemies don't feel quite so aggro
you also have a lot more crowd control and AOE so I feel like it's easier to observe the pack of enemies before leaping in and shredding them all

[subtle quail]

yeah? theres so many more small projectiles in this to me and i feel like windups are a lot less clear. Maybe its because you gotta think more and manage more in hades 2 compared to 1 and im not solely focused on dodging stuff

[scenic arrow]

Zag was much stubbier than Mel, so playing at close range, especially with small enemies, can make things very hard to see

[gloomy lynx]

it's rng but you also need all aspects except the last one and one lvl 5 which isn't melinoe aspect

[scenic arrow]

the biggest thing you have to learn is to always use your cast, it's very very strong

[scenic arrow]

(level 5 can be mel)

[gloomy lynx]

No, it was changed with the release.

[scenic arrow]

fr???

[idle gorge]

||Can you unlock a second dd ?||

[scenic arrow]

yeah

[gloomy lynx]

bro. fr.

[scenic arrow]

that's annoying

[subtle quail]

shoutout to ||scylia|| for taking me from full health to -death defiance, -golden tooth and like half health (half of my health lost was the FRICKLEDOODLING ||guitarists|| tiny bouncy projectiles from random walls of the arena ._.)

[lean yew]

melinoe is the one I have maxed so that might be why, however I saw people saying it could be any aspect. I'll give that a shot though 👍

[scenic arrow]

yeah that boss is very hectic.
Manageable though at normal mode

[gloomy lynx]

People are saying that because it was true before 1.0, and not everyone knows the changes, they just keep spreading outdated info.

[subtle quail]

yeah managable i just need to learn it more

[gloomy lynx]

you could have any aspect lvl 5 (including mel) in early access

[subtle quail]

just frustrated, nothing really wrong with the boss besides those projectiles should maybe be a bit brighter coloured or more eye catching somehow

[lean yew]

Ohhh okay. Thank you!

[subtle quail]

is it normal to think that the floor 3 boss is far easier lmao

[scenic arrow]

I know some people disagree, but I don't think you're wrong lol
Floor 3 overall is weirdly chill imo

[subtle quail]

i feel like ||scylia|| is this games perseus and minotaur, and ||doggo|| is more bone serpent

[scenic arrow]

Hades 2 underworld is generally easier than Hades 1, imo

you can debate whether the other route is harder or just about the same

[vast oriole]

I'm still confused about how like Arctic Gale and Voltaic Ring don't go in the same slot?

Is like Voltaic Ring the actual cast slot and Gale is a generic mod since it's on the outside?

[scenic arrow]

yeah gale is a secondary

demeter has freeze, which is her main cast boon, and gale, which is a secondary that adds another effect

[subtle quail]

ok yeah i got hit by literally nothing

and of all times - NOW is when my clipping isnt working, and it also killed me

i was fighting a floor 3 boss and literally just... died when miles away from any attack

id show but the 10/10 no bugs at all radeon software just isnt working rn

[hallow glen]

when though, ive beat chronos like 7 times and the surface 4 times i have no incantation seems weird

[elfin patio]

How many nights are you at?

[subtle quail]

is there a mechanic against one of the floor 3 bosses that attacks you when your attack lands or did i literally just get killed by an invisible hitbox or something?

[gloomy lynx]

dunno, later? 😄 there's tons of stuff unlocking anyways i think

[thick halo]

Do I lose all progress if I restart the night?
Like the resources I got

[elfin patio]

through progression it just unlocked for me, I’m pretty sure no one said it… I have 6 plots atm

[scenic arrow]

yes

[subtle quail]

https://imgur.com/a/Srb6wiq sigh

[thick halo]

Alright thx

[scenic arrow]

I wanna see

[subtle quail]

its just saying "saving..." and not actually saving

it was a miniboss in floor 3 what had no armour but a TONNE of health and a lot of minions

he was charging an attack so i rotated to his side and started hitting him, then randomly died

[normal jolt]

If I have mana primed does that count as not at full mana for The Huntress?

[subtle quail]

he was the only enemy left in the room and was doing a slow charge attack

of all FRICKLENUTTING times for my clipping to not work its now

i love radeon software

[scenic arrow]

he's a vampire
he heals if he hits you or enemies

he has 2 quick melee attacks, and a long range suck

[subtle quail]

yeah i figured that

but i took damage even though nothing hit me

[scenic arrow]

idk

[subtle quail]

and it ended a run -_-

[scenic arrow]

I can't tell what you actually saw without vod

[subtle quail]

yeah which makes it INFURIATING that NOW is when radeon just

https://imgur.com/a/MDph4Co

istg i need to run like, radeon relive, medalTV, OBS and discord clipping just to have contingency when 3 of them break for literally no reason

ugh sorry for venting/rageposting

frustrating nemesis BS, frustrating syllia fight then a completely BS death, THEN MORE TECHNICAL ISSUES SO I CANT RECHECK SAID COMPLETELY BS DEATH

[scenic arrow]

idk it ain't all that

[hallow glen]

brother you're going to be okay, i promise you. just go again

[stiff hawk]

Dumb question but what does channel mean?

[scenic arrow]

when you're charging up an omega attack/special/cast

[hidden latch]

Salve rapaziada, cade os brazuca viciado?

[stiff hawk]

Oh okay okay

[vast oriole]

shouldn't you be able to upgrade your Arcana Cards before you fight ||Chronos||?

[autumn axle]

||Chaos|| making your top 5 most damage suffered (on your first clear no less): it's a good feeling.

[scenic arrow]

heck yeah

[autumn axle]

Getting the laser hourglasses as allies seems like it'd be pretty cool. Too bad I didn't try it in the fight.

[scenic arrow]

it used to oneshot you lol

there was a funny bug where if they tried to heal you, you'd instantly die

[vast oriole]

Does the Strength Card work if you are using the Tooth?

[scenic arrow]

no

[vast oriole]

i mean the Tooth doesn't say "Death Defiance" anywhere on it. So i thought this might work together.

[scenic arrow]

moros pin doesn't work either, or toula

[restive swallow]

|| Yo wtf Chronos did 700 damage to me 😭 ||

[vivid flare]

Still has the effect of a DD, though

[vivid flare]

Don't stand in bad

[scenic arrow]

the safe spot is safe

[restive swallow]

There was no marked dangerous or safe spots unless || the glowing red part was the safe spot ||

[gloomy lynx]

It used to work with Pin but not anymore

[restive swallow]

which my gamer brain does NOT ACCEPT

[vivid flare]

||The entire arena is glowing red. Except for a part that isn't||

[restive swallow]

The part I was in wasn't

he just kinda flexed and I perished, it was after the red was gone

[gloomy lynx]

If you can't accept those rules then dele... Dodge in right timing/have armor/have 1 time damage cancel shields

You don't "have" to stay in safe zone, after all

[vivid flare]

You were not in the correct part, then

[restive swallow]

No, none of the screen was red when it happened

|| I had survived that bit, it was gone, so I went in to do my thing, a very quick dash to apply scorn, throw up my double demeter-boosted cast, and throw in an attack, and Chronos just flexed and I p e r i s h e d, I did not die to the red ||

[vivid flare]

It's an ||arena-wide donut, except for a specific part that you weren't at||

[restive swallow]

Yes, that bit was gone, that's why I left it

[naive nymph]

How do I unlock more ||chaos trials? I already have 8 of them||

[scenic arrow]

unlock more aspects, generally

[naive nymph]

Aspects as in weapon aspects right

[scenic arrow]

yes

[naive nymph]

Okk thank you!

[lucid heron]

God, I just love ||Scylla's music|| I keep dying to her but the ||the song's a hell of a banger|| 🤘

[sleek idol]

I unlocked the ||aspect of Melinoë for the sister blades, which says my attacks should deal 100% more damage on backstab. But I couldn’t perform backstabs on any enemies. Even if I was right behind them, the damage output was always the same as front. Am I doing something wrong?||

[scenic arrow]

it should be 180degrees behind them, you can even clip them from the sides

I don't believe it has the effect until you upgrade it once

[polar laurel]

Just to be clear, you've leveled the aspect up fully?

[sleek idol]

Yes, fully

[scenic arrow]

in the training room, try using your special on skelly

[sleek idol]

And I’ve tried being completely behind them, but it hasn’t worked.

[tight mantle]

How do you get hera to show up?
Her and ares are the only main gods i haven’t seen show up who i know are in the boon pool cus ive seen videos of people using their boons

[scenic arrow]

you should get backstab damage when it comes back

[sleek idol]

I was trying it on skelly too, no backstab damage.

[scenic arrow]

||hera is first run of surface||

||Ares is the final god, unlocked by seeing the final boss of surface at least once.||

[polar laurel]

Dang you have to get that far?

I didn't realize it was so late

[tight mantle]

Im assuming without a gods keepsake
Because i have been going up their with hestia and heph’s keepsakes

[scenic arrow]

yeah, like dem from H1

[scenic arrow]

ah yeah probably, she will be the first god you pick up

[polar laurel]

Does h2 have a set in stone order for every God to show up

[scenic arrow]

yeah you unlock each of them on certain nights

[scenic arrow]

this is incredibly odd btw, lemme give it a shot

[tight mantle]

Bang on the money, she’s here

[sleek idol]

I’m in the middle of a run, but I’ll try again on skelly when I’m done.

[scenic arrow]

works for me

are you sure you're not on ||artemis|| aspect

[hallow glen]

When the hell do i get more plant slots?

[scenic arrow]

dyno is watching

[scenic arrow]

incantation, unlocked later

[hallow glen]

how much later?

[scenic arrow]

why did you ask this question everywhere lol

[sleek idol]

Do you change the aspects? That’s probably it but I didn’t know how to change it.

[scenic arrow]

go to the weapon, equip it, then press E again

[sleek idol]

What about on controller?

[scenic arrow]

plant some crops and harvest them, you need to harvest the crops from the first 2 zones

[scenic arrow]

whatever the button is to equip the weapon

[indigo quest]

Surface

[wraith hollow]

Hi, y'all, I got a quick question. Do boss rewards work like in Hades? As in, do I gotta get the pact of punishment equivalent to obtain rewards again after a clear?

(I haven't reached tartarus yet btw)

[little sparrow]

||no||

||the rewards are given always||

also ||titan blood equivalent can be farmed and bought ||

[wraith hollow]

Neat, thank you for the answer

[upbeat sedge]

sort of, the bosses always drop the same crafting ingredients but the equivalent of the pact can make them also drop an additional item that is the hades 2 equivalent of ||titans blood||

[vast oriole]

Scorch doesn't work for Origination, since it's not "lingering", right?

[signal bolt]

nah scorch does proc for origination

it's why ||if u have scorch cast ur prob not playing it for origination unless u have specific boons||

[tight mantle]

So how do you get the story ending? Is it like hades 1 where you just have to beat the final boss with each weapon and then send letters out to all the gods?

[wanton plover]

what's the point of "favored for all keepsakes" incantation?

[forest hare]

Does anyone know if you can reroll room rewards from a god to an NPC?

[upbeat sedge]

its so you dont have to keep re-selecting the same keepsake when starting a run

you will typically pick a keepsake in the first biome that helps your build and then in later biomes switch to a defensive keepsake to not die

[stuck harbor]

I don't really see one, but maybe some people do have a boon that they want to start with everytime. I guess if your just starting out and dont have all the keepsakes unlocked and are just running with the couple you have you might favorite one of the ones you get from the people in the crossroads. I know when i first started I always started with the one from Dora or Odysseus till I got the ones from the gods and started to make specific builds

[upbeat sedge]

if you forget to switch keepsakes you'll start the next run with your defensive keepsake, which is bad

so by favoriting a keepsake it will automatically switch for you after the run ends in case you forget

its not that impactful, mostly just quality of life for speedrunners and the like

so they can keep restarting with minimal downtime between runs

[vast oriole]

My hex i supposed to come online after 70 mana but never does no matter how much mana i burn. Only having it this run 😮

[upbeat sedge]

do you have moon water?

[stuck harbor]

I see how that could be useful but i usually switch up what god keepsake i want to take every run. Should I be starting with a god keepsake or something else?

[vast oriole]

yes

[upbeat sedge]

moon water has limited uses per biome

otherwise it would be infinite healing

[vast oriole]

I haven't used it once

[upbeat sedge]

its largely for people who want to spam the same run a bunch of times
for example if you are speedrunning, or you are trying to beat a high difficulty and are dying a lot

you know what you want your build to be for those runs so you can just auto-equip the right keepsake between restarts

[stuck harbor]

That makes sense

[upbeat sedge]

if you are just doing the story and switching stuff up its not going to be useful to you

[wanton plover]

anyone have tips for using ||sister blades||, I'm so bad with this. I already beaten the tartarus boss with all weapons except this one XD

[upbeat sedge]

that weapon typically doesn't use omega moves that often

the base special is the best attack because it does okay damage and you can attack while the special is still flying in the air

[wanton plover]

oh wow i didnt even think about this

[upbeat sedge]

so the typical gameplay pattern is to throw out special, attack while it's flying, and then once the special returns to you throw out another special

if you want specific builds
||zeus special is broken for this weapon, the special applies blitz and then your attack will proc the blitz||
||trick knives is the best hammer, letting you throw multiple specials out just by dash attacking||

but if you're new just experiment a bit

and see what you like and what you don't like

[wanton plover]

i didnt even know that the normal special comes back I just checked HAHA

[scenic arrow]

idk I just use aphro and mash attack and it works

[wanton plover]

i was sing the special like the bow from hades 1

[scenic arrow]

the special I use for debuff application, that's about it

[upbeat sedge]

honestly the attack for daggers is quite strong because it works with almost every boon

[wanton plover]

yeh but I just die cause i get hit, and i dont really mesh with the weapon, maybe i havent been really using it a lot

[scenic arrow]

maybe try apollo, to get some more range

[wanton plover]

ok ok i'll try this out, thankss

[cyan sail]

Struggling with chronos after about 18 nights. I just can’t seem to do much damage to him. I played for almost 4-5 min on phase one focusing on dodging everything but couldn’t whittle him down before the adds became too much. Any suggestions on a build for first win?

[scenic arrow]

which weapon

[vivid marlin]

Torches built around hera's Fine Line boon, you uncontrollably vomit damage.

[scenic arrow]

do they have hera yet

[cyan sail]

Down for whatever I’ve got em all but the last one. Typically use the staff

[scenic arrow]

hm try mel aspect staff with apollo special and maybe zeus attack

[cyan sail]

II haven’t unlocked aspects yet

[scenic arrow]

use normal attack to apply blitz, then special to do big damage

mel aspect is the basic one you come with, you can upgrade it with resources

[restive swallow]

You can't just dodge him forever tbh. Aoe is important and getting behind him is important

[scenic arrow]

and yeah, you need to balance damage and safety
more damage means he'll fire less attacks

[cyan sail]

Haven’t unlocked ability to upgrade the weapons yet looks like

[scenic arrow]

hm maybe play some more in general, you should be able to win with more upgrades

you can also just pick up on feels about what simple combos you like

[cyan sail]

Yeah that’s definitely it, my survivability builds are great for getting there with full health/armor/death defiances I just can’t hurt him quick enough haha

[scenic arrow]

try to remember what the core boon(attack, special, cast, gain, dash) for each god does. If you know their niches', you can put together some basic builds to get you going

[vivid marlin]

try leaning into damage for your next runs, killing everything instantly is a great way to survive.

[scenic arrow]

like hestia and poseidon favor fast attacking weapons, while aphro and apollo favor hard-hitting weapons, and zeus and demeter are good for support/combo

[cyan sail]

Waited for EA to be over, I’ve beaten Hades on 24 Heat or so, just finding this one a bit harder so far

[scenic arrow]

once you get your arcana and aspects going I think 0fear/heat is a lot easier

including the final boss, you can really melt him down

[cyan sail]

I’ve only gotten to him 5-6 times but I’m getting his phase one moves down

[sullen current]

I beat chronos the first time I saw him and now all the voice lines in response to losing to him for the first time make no sense lol

[scenic arrow]

lolllllll

it's kinda weird for me because I've done so many runs in early access, both losing and winning

[sullen current]

I started a new save file for the full release

[cyan sail]

Thanks for the tips

[sullen current]

though I had only done like 20-30 runs in EA, I wanted to experience it at full polish, and I’d never beaten chronos

[scenic arrow]

I was like "I'm 180 nights in, I don't want to get all these incantations and aspects again"

[sullen current]

that is so fair

why I completely stopped playing the EA

I went back and 100%’d hades 1 instead

[scenic arrow]

I tried to go back, but couldn't

[cyan sail]

I like all the weapons so far but the axe I haven’t figured out, I take way too much damage with it the wind ups are so long

[scenic arrow]

axe can take some time, yeah
its aspects are really neat though

[lilac sundial]

Use the dash axe attack a lot

[native vault]

Is there a way to return to the crossroads and keep my progress without dying

[scenic arrow]

nope!

if you wanna go back, just let an enemy bonk you

[native vault]

Oh ok

[karmic swift]

is there a certain ||aspect|| that's best for the ||flames||

like is there one thats way better or is it like kinda playstyle dependant

[scenic arrow]

hidden?
Moros is quite good as well

[karmic swift]

itll probablt be a bit before i get the hidden one lol

took me a while before i got them in hades

although tbf in hades 1 i didnt usually talk to everyone after each run like i have been now

also is there a way to get like a map of this first area on the surface

like smth that tells you what everythinf being offered is

[split silo]

yes, you’ll get an incantation for it soon

[karmic swift]

k

[vast oriole]

What slot is the one above your attack again?

[sullen current]

you don’t have it unlocked yet, keep playing

[distant hawk]

Hi. Can i recycle (without worrying) the items that do not have a little hand on the icon?

Some of them are tagged with "required resource", others not
Is it really reliable?

[vivid flare]

Depends on the aspect and Fear level

[vivid flare]

Moros is in the top 10 aspects, and Eos is something of a cult favorite even if it's not incredibly strong

[rancid rapids]

How do I get the boon list in the codex?

[scenic arrow]

gift every god

[vivid flare]

Gift every Boon-giving god up to ||Hera. Artemis and Hermes are included here||

[sleek idol]

I don’t understand this boon. It says ||your damaging effects from olympians are stronger for each boon-giver you have. Who are defined as “olympians”?||

[scenic arrow]

main 9 gods
Hermes, ||athena, dio||

[sleek idol]

Is there a list of them? I’m not caught up on my lore.

Is hestia?

[scenic arrow]

Zeus, apollo, poseidon, hestia, demeter, aphrodite, hephaestus, ||hera, ares||

[sleek idol]

Thanks!

[rancid rapids]

Just once? I gifted every god 1 necter besides Athena, Ares, and Dyo.

[scenic arrow]

try 2

I had to give aphro an extra 1 to get it

[rancid rapids]

Ok

[ornate pulsar]

I got my first win with moonstone axe and aphrodiddy attack. Get as much hp as you can and spin to win!

[primal trench]

Aphro who 😐

[scenic arrow]

huh?

[ornate pulsar]

Diddy

[prime mica]

This is aphrodite defamation

[ornate pulsar]

Swapped 2 letters at end of her name, now it’s defamation🤣

[primal trench]

I mean diddy is a big name to mention, and not in a good way

[karmic swift]

i just did ||chronos phase 1|| hitless wth

i have to play real bad for this run to be a loss bc i have 200 hp and 2 death defies

gg didnt even need a death defy

[median lantern]

is there a way for me to see mny current arcanas equipped while im on the run?

[split silo]

yes, when you bring up the boon menu, you’ll see a tab above that switches to show you your current arcana

[karmic swift]

my first win too

i LOCKED in
still surprised abt the hitless phase 1

[split silo]

it’ll be a green circle with a hand, the Grasp symbol in specific

[split silo]

congrats!

[karmic swift]

other than ||chronos|| most damage i took from anythinf was only like

40 to ||cerberus|| (??? idk if i spelled it right)

[median lantern]

got it, thanks!

[split silo]

you forgot to spoiler the names out of excitement lol

both messages

[split silo]

that’s also extremely low considering he hits hard, great job!

[karmic swift]

hashtag oops

[sharp spindle]

What is the finger pointing up with the infinity sign mean? Above the boons before a new room

[indigo quest]

What's a good OP build to use?

[karmic swift]

||hestia|| attack on ||flames|| feels really good

[split silo]

it indicates that there’s an item for something you used a forget me not on, indicating you can find it in that room

[karmic swift]

works with pretty much anything else too, very flexible

[median lantern]

just get hermes' legendary boon called paid dues

[split silo]

yeah but that has a 1% chance of showing up on your second hermes so not really something you can rely on

[sharp spindle]

Ahhh big thank

[median lantern]

true. this is my first time getting it despite doing 45 runs already lol

[sharp spindle]

Wait it just tells you there's like a crop that'll spawn in there?

[prime mica]

yeah, it tells you if a resource you need is in that room

[sharp spindle]

Oh man that's awesome

[median lantern]

yes, if you have multiple forget-me-nots they have different indicators too

[split silo]

a crop or a fish or outcroppings (the things you mine) that you need for an item that you used a forget me not on

[sharp spindle]

That is a great qol improvement from the first one wow

I need to use forget me not more

[median lantern]

||i feel like there's a lot of resources in this game ||

can never be too many though

[sharp spindle]

Agreed I'm starting to get overwhelmed lol

In the best way

[karmic swift]

same

[median lantern]

i like it because it just makes me want to grind and keep playing xd

[karmic swift]

i just got my first win and it feels like theres so much more extra im trying to manage too

[sharp spindle]

It feels like Hades but everything turned up to 11

[median lantern]

hell yeah keep having fun man

[karmic swift]

i was locked in too

didnt use any of my DDs and did final boss phase 1 hitless

on i think exactly my 25th run too

[split silo]

feels like that at the start but then you realize it’s not too bad

you have your basic meta progression such as ashes, bones and psyche

and then you have 1 of each type of resource for each region in the game (besides fish, there are numerous ones)

[ornate pulsar]

I got it 2 runs in a row once lol

[vivid flare]

Honey, Paid Dues is the worst boon in the game

Basically a guarantee you spend the rest of the run with no money

[vivid flare]

Argent Skull, Aspect of Medea

[signal bolt]

not if you just don't get hit

[vivid flare]

If you don't get hit, then you didn't need the boon

Checkmate

[signal bolt]

damn ur right

[karmic swift]

how do the ||testaments|| work

[signal bolt]

we should just skip centaur hearts fr

[vivid flare]

It's a bounty system. Pick your weapon, level up the Fear, kill the boss

[karmic swift]

do i have to do them to get the ||nightmare||

[vivid flare]

It's the main way to get it, yes

[median lantern]

just run quick buck and paid dues with poseidon's extra minor finds you're set tbh

[split silo]

add sea star while you’re at it

[median lantern]

that too

[split silo]

also the ||chaos boon||

[karmic swift]

awww i dont wanna grind ||eris||

[vivid flare]

So four Boons dedicated to mitigating the massive downside of a single boon

When you could have just grabbed Travel Deal instead

[split silo]

it’s just once, and then it changes to another boss at a higher ||fear||

[vivid flare]

||Well, she is a romance option...||

[karmic swift]

ohh ok i thought it was the same throughout

[signal bolt]

speak for urself

[split silo]

LMFAOOOO i just got it

[split silo]

aye listen ||nem is literally right there||

[signal bolt]

https://tenor.com/view/goober-cat-cat-meme-cat-kiss-scoobert-gif-5620497332801111838

[split silo]

based reaction

[karmic swift]

im surprised this game doesnt have ||an EM equivalent||

[split silo]

boy do i have some news for you

all i’ll say is keep playing my friend

[karmic swift]

oh does it and it just isnt unlocked

[split silo]

yes, it’s a dynamic way of unlocking and progressing it now

[karmic swift]

ahh

[sullen current]

I need EM for hecate so bad, that fight is free with literally 0 boons

chronos on the other hand, Em chronos sounds horrible

[high flame]

Not sure when I'm meant to get the Aspects unlocked, but I'm about 6+ successful attempts done. . . Missing Copper still

[karmic swift]

copper is ||on the surface|| iirc

nope i was thinking of smth else my bad

[vivid flare]

No, it is

I assume they meant bronze

[karmic swift]

oh yeah if they do thats what i was thinking of

[high flame]

Yeah I meant Bronze

[vivid flare]

Yeah, that'd be ||in the first region of the second route||

[high flame]

I suppose a few trips ||while I haven't gotten the incantation for the surface|| should be fine?

[karmic swift]

think so
it can spawn early enough

[vivid flare]

I wouldn't go out of your way for it, just ||get your 2 moss for Unraveling and be done until you get the other ingredients, and if you snag some bronze in those first 3 rooms, excellent||

[dire thorn]

hi! can anyone explain|| the difference between going thru a door in the last surface area vs going thru those little rings that look like they have a pic of the mountain on them||

[high flame]

Great! One question though--How do I get ||moss||

[karmic swift]

oh yeah ive been wondering abt that too

[karmic swift]

its on the ground like the flowers in ||first surface area||

[vivid flare]

It's the flower for that region. ||And before you have the surface fully unlocked, it'll always have one in the first room||

[low zinc]

the rail is...exactly as hard as I remember it lmao

[vivid flare]

Having... trouble?

[dire thorn]

yea im wondering if its similar to ||the separate paths in the last area of the underworld runs, like the express vs detour routes for extra boons||

[low zinc]

you could say...that

[vivid flare]

Wait did they change ||the Summit|| to work like ||Tartarus|| in 1.0? Sick

[low zinc]

so many gray squares

[karmic swift]

i think thats what theyre asking

[dire thorn]

well im trying to figure that out haha, i cant rlly tell since ive only done a few surface runs and its not as clear as in tartarus

[low zinc]

sometimes I get a good ||eris ||cycle, most of the time it's a ton of hand strain for a game plan i still screwed up

[vivid flare]

I have no clue, I started a fresh file and am currently ||walled by Prometheus||

[dire thorn]

i didnt play past the first early access beta or whatever so im not sure whats different from most recent pre release and 1.0

[vivid flare]

Spoiler tag that

[low zinc]

roger that

[karmic swift]

i did him first try
used multiple dds though

[low zinc]

figured it was only hidden ones mb

[vivid flare]

Yeah, uh

I didn't have multiple DDs to burn

[dire thorn]

ive only had 1 attempt there, im worried for how im gonna deal w that attack|| where u gotta go stand in the right spots, i just cant memorize that much info||

[karmic swift]

fair ||eris|| is pretty hard too

[vivid flare]

Nope, this is the no spoilers channel, gotta tag everything past Hecate

[low zinc]

ohhh wait

i'm not even in the right channel, i'm playing h1 lmao

[vivid flare]

||Focus solely on the safe spots, and say it out loud if you have to||

[karmic swift]

oh lol

[vivid flare]

Ah

[dire thorn]

haha thats what i planned to do for attempt 2 glad to know other ppl do the same

[split silo]

||saying it out loud is my way to go, you can either use 1, 2, 3, or top, middle, bottom||

i prefer the latter

[karmic swift]

yeah thats what i did

[dire thorn]

is there a hades 2 wiki up yet?

[vivid flare]

Also, ||cheat towards the edges of the strips in case you get a top -> bottom or bottom -> top pattern, because those are hellish||

[vivid flare]

Besides Fandom or Fextralife? Unfortunately, not yet

[split silo]

and the fandom one is quite outdated on a lot of things

[karmic swift]

lol that's fandom for you

never very good

[vivid flare]

And is also Fandom, and borderline unusable with how many pop-up ads there are now

[split silo]

adblocker my beloved

[dire thorn]

i believe the answer to my earlier question is ||just going through the door and the floor ring progresses u the same, the floor ring just lets u do that drop attack before the encounter||

read a wiki article or two to see what they had to say abt it

[vivid flare]

Can't on mobile, or at least I'm too tech-illiterate to figure out how

[karmic swift]

id rather cover half of my screen with a paper than use fandom on mobile

average mobile fandom experience is like 10% of the screen available

[vivid flare]

Yeah, they found a way to somehow make the site even worse this month

Because it will straight-up redirect you to an advertiser's site if you use it for more than 20 seconds

[karmic swift]

LMAO???

its like they dont want people to use it anymore

LMAO ||WHEN CIRCE MAKES MELINOE SMALL SHE'S EVEN SMALLER IN TEXT SPRITES AND STUFF||

[vivid flare]

||Also smaller on the map screen (about the same size as her familiar's map piece), and her voice is slightly higher-pitched||

It's peak, I'm afraid

[karmic swift]

yeah i noticed the ||voice change||

anyway does this game have a keepsake thats like really good to equid after you're done with the god ones

like the acorn in h1

[rancid rapids]

I gave a 2nd to Aphrodite, Hephaestus, Hera, and maybe another, I dont remember but still no boon list.

[vivid flare]

Not really, it's a lot more context-sensitive

Since Acorn's in the game as an Arcana card, and there's a lot of one-use Keepsakes that are very good to have

Aromatic Phial to rarify a common, ||Gorgon Amulet to have Athena show up outside Olympus||, the scam leaf for speedruns, Antler to watch health bars vanish (sometimes your own), Pin for safety if you're running DDs, Quicksilver when you wanna go fast, ||Hammer for third or fourth region, depending on rank||, and even ||Lion Fang for the final region if Antler terrifies you||

[pseudo sluice]

Anyone able to help me out with ||surface, I just unlocked it but chtonic fate keeps killing me. Where do I get Thalamus for the incantation without dying so fast?||

[vivid flare]

||It's from Chaos. The only thing you need from the surface is the moss||

[split silo]

you most definitely can, are you on android or iOS?

[vivid flare]

Android

[rancid rapids]

Please someone tell me how to unlock the boon list.

[pseudo sluice]

so I should just keep doing Underworld runs and hope it shows up on ||Chaos||right?

[rancid rapids]

Yes

[vivid flare]

Yeah, pretty much

[pseudo sluice]

sweeet, thanks!

[split silo]

I would highly suggest you download the AdGuard app, it’s a phone wide adblocker

only downside is if you play mobile games that give you rewards for watching ads, you won’t be able to access said ads unless you turn it off

[vivid flare]

My only mobile games are BTD6 and Balatro, I'm good there

[split silo]

based BTD6 enjoyer

[scenic arrow]

balatro is an ad for balatro

[vivid flare]

Clean cut, and still cuts a tomato

[pseudo sluice]

looks inside
photochad...

[rancid rapids]

Does Hecate give boon list after you beat her enough?

[vivid flare]

Boon list incantation will show up after getting every god keepsake up to ||Hera|| and apparently also getting at least one of the boon prophecies?

[rancid rapids]

Ughhhhh

[polar hazel]

1. does a character profiles secrion unlock like in the first game? how can i track who ive given nectar to?
2. what is a path of stars..?
3. am i crazy or does ionic gain suck

[rancid rapids]

Ionic gain is great

[rancid rapids]

Already got those

[karmic swift]

im on a great ||surface run|| rn just after my first underworld win

lol will i get my first win ||on both routes|| back to back

[pseudo sluice]

Might be a dumb question about ||aspects|| but when you're unlocking them, you only have one active per run right? Or are all of them active at the same time if they are unlocked? Do they stack?

[vivid flare]

1. Yes, Hecate gives it to you eventually
2. Upgrade tree for your Hex
3. It's mediocre but there's worse

[karmic swift]

i have ||4dds|| going into ||summit||

[rancid rapids]

Buy up to hera, you mean not athena ares or dionysus, right?

[karmic swift]

yeah just one

[polar hazel]

shouldnt u always take the full moon one then

[vivid flare]

Correct. ||You're no longer required to get past Eris at least twice||

Also, spoiler mark that

[rancid rapids]

Buddy, those gods were in the first game. That's not a spoiler.

[vivid flare]

Not necessarily, some Hexes aren't always going to fit the build you have. ||Especially once you get into Godsents.||

[karmic swift]

this game has a different roster so them being in this one is

[vivid flare]

Buddy, the fact that they're behind story events is

[rancid rapids]

What? I just said that they were in the game not that they were ||behind story events.||

[rancid rapids]

Every god in the last game is in this game

[karmic swift]

ok but you wouldnt know that until you've seen them

[rancid rapids]

It's pretty obvious though. why would they take them out of the sequal?

[karmic swift]

would talk more but i just got to ||surface|| final boss for the first time

gotta lock in

[rancid rapids]

Good luck. You'll need it.

[karmic swift]

i mean i have ||4 dds||

[vivid flare]

Have fun

[rancid rapids]

Oh

[karmic swift]

and freezer burn

[rancid rapids]

Still, good luck.

[karmic swift]

i wanna win bc then my first ||surface|| win would be back to back with my first win

[native vault]

I finally beat Chronos

First finished run

[rancid rapids]

Nice

[karmic swift]

gg beat ||typhon||

[rancid rapids]

Yeah, I still don't have boon list. Is there something specific I have to do after like beat ||Hecate|| (1st boss)

[karmic swift]

my first attempt at the boss winning is insane

freezer burn has to be like this game's ME i swear

[rancid rapids]

Nice

[karmic swift]

||this place is beautiful||

[vivid flare]

Nah, that'd be Romantic Spark

[karmic swift]

||IM NOT SMALL ANYMORE 💔💔💔💔||

[vivid flare]

Though Freezer Burn is also great

[karmic swift]

ok so that scares me because freezer burn is already like

insane

[vivid flare]

It's Aphro/Zeus, if the name didn't give it away. Dash/sprint into a Blitz-affected enemy to trigger it for +80% damage

[karmic swift]

oh so its literally merciful end

[vivid flare]

Yeah, it's literally how you played Merciful End

[karmic swift]

i assume its just as strong too

[vivid flare]

Blitz is very potent and scales well with Poms, yes

Though it's not quite as strong as ME, because sometimes you pop it from damage before you get to detonate it from your dash

[karmic swift]

freezer burn with ||flames|| is such a fun combo

[split silo]

freezer burn in general is very fun

[vivid flare]

Wait until you get it with the knives or ||Coat||

[karmic swift]

ill have to try those eventually, ive just been using ||flames|| a lot bc they feel really good

definitely my favourite weapon but unlike hades 1 i like most of the weapons

[split silo]

i would suggest pairing it with ||hestia and aphrodite’s duo boon||

[karmic swift]

in h1 really only the fists clicked for me

[split silo]

||easiest 999 scorch and then biiiig freezer burn||

[karmic swift]

i bet that feels so good to play

[split silo]

it’s probably not the most optimal way to play it, depending on what you have as the boon that applies freeze, but that big proc is insanely satisfying

[karmic swift]

usually i go for cast for freeze but if i get special offered first i just take that

[split silo]

for freezer burn on ||flames|| i’d say its better on cast unless your playstyle is barely using ospecial

[karmic swift]

i dont like ||flames|| special so i only ever use it during a freezer burn run with freeze on special

like i pretty much never special

[split silo]

the fun thing about that weapon is that there are multiple ways to play it

i enjoy playing it by constantly having omega special up and then spamming the attacks in between

[karmic swift]

yeah i go all in with attacks

finger pretty much never leaves attack button

[split silo]

another extremely fun build is ||getting a lot of magick and a good gain, and getting fine line from hera and ocean swell from poseidon||

[karmic swift]

that plus the hestis boon that regens magick every time you hit something is just amazing

[split silo]

it’ll go perfectly with your playstyle

[karmic swift]

assuming you dont get anythinf that buffs omega charging even at base and common thats +8 magick inbetween each oattack iirc

[vivid flare]

||Also getting Righteous Pike from forcing an Athena spawn||

[karmic swift]

because as a common with no poms its +4 per hit iirc

[split silo]

yeah hestias gain can be enough for a lot of builds, but for the one i suggest you need poseidon’s or ||hera’s||

because your oattack will cost 25 magick if i’m remembering correctly

[karmic swift]

might have to go for all of that later

i keep forgettinf to give nextar so i barely have any keepsakes rn

[split silo]

that and their duo is a cherry on top

[split silo]

happened to me too, i get ya because your brain just goes on autopilot to pick the boon haha

[vivid flare]

5 base
+15 Fine Line
+5 Ocean Swell
+5 Cut Above
+20 Exceptional Talent
+10 Weed Killer

[vivid flare]

I appreciate that the Duo can be filled with just Fine Line and Ocean Swell, BTW

[split silo]

well yeah but apollo leggy is a whole another line of investment

definitely possible on surface but just fine line and ocean swell is enough to get relatively good damage

[karmic swift]

i literallt have to remind myself to do it lol

[split silo]

agreed, and it’s what it should be, glad it doesn’t need cores

[karmic swift]

ill always be like "okay you need this keepsake remember to give nectar" and say that out loud to myself

its that bad 😭😭😭😭😭

[split silo]

wait @vivid flare does apollo leggo retrigger FL/OS?

[vivid flare]

I don't know, and I now want to find out

[split silo]

if it does i’m so high rolling ET/FL/OS and Ripple Effect at least

that’s gonna be more visual clutter than ||UR Scylla|| and I need it in my life right now

[karmic swift]

is there a good way to get a specific god's keepsake fast

im thinking just get tons of rerolls and just die early on if you dont get them

[vivid flare]

||Abuse Ephyra doors with onion||

[karmic swift]

ohhh yeah

[autumn axle]

Does strength reduce damage done to your armor too.

[vivid flare]

Nope, they explicitly removed that early on in early access

[frigid tapir]

i have a skull icon and blood drop icon beside my health bar, what are these

[scenic arrow]

death defiance

skull = lucky tooth

[frigid tapir]

i see, so the blood drop is generic death defiance?

[scenic arrow]

yeah, from death arcana

[vivid flare]

Blood drop is specifically a spent DD refilled by a Kiss of Styx

[scenic arrow]

oh

[sleek idol]

What is the “aspect” of your weapon? Like if I increase the aspect by 1, what does that mean?

[frigid tapir]

are you expected to progress night and day concurrently? before beating chronos

[vivid flare]

It's the aspect rank you're increasing, the aspect is just the variant of the weapon

For instance, the staff has the aspects of Melinöe, Momus, Circe, and a hidden one

All weapons have a Mel and hidden aspect

[fallen kite]

Hera and Ares have boons that boost your "damaging effects" but what does that mean exactly?

[vivid flare]

Basically anything beyond your basic attacks, specials, and Omega Cast damage

[fallen kite]

👀 i see

[vivid flare]

Any additional damage that comes from a Boon is Olympian damage

[scenic arrow]

waves, scorch, blitz, etc

(do wounds count)

[fallen kite]

i see 👀 so stuff like Hera, Zeus, Hestia, Apollo and Heph's casts?

[vivid flare]

But stuff that scales up your attack damage like Aphro or Apollo attack isn't Olympian damage

[scenic arrow]

yup

[fallen kite]

Actually I guess most casts just tack on an extra effect?

[vivid flare]

That would, yes

[fallen kite]

How good is scroch? i still dont seem to understand it

[signal bolt]

scorch works basically like, you apply some amount of scorch and that's put onto an enemy. that enemy will be passively consuming 100 scorch per second, that's converted to 100 damage per second

so if ur able to apply enough scorch frequently, u'll always be doing 100 dps

[vivid flare]

Or more with Pyro Technique

[scenic arrow]

or more with any global % buff

[signal bolt]

yea, pyro technique buffs the scorch consumption rate that also buffs dps

[scenic arrow]

pyro technique basically being +Power is insanely good

[signal bolt]

and dmg modifiers will increase scorch to dps conversion

[vale maple]

Sometimes there is a little green icon with a star on it when choosing what type of room to enter. What does it mean?

[lunar nest]

Can someone please tell me how exactly to unlock the incantation to display everyone's relationship levels? I have ||unlocked all but five keepsakes at this point, and given multiple nectar to many NPCs.|| I do not understand what I am missing or what I still need to do to get this to appear.

[scenic arrow]

this should mean that there will be resources in that room that you need for a recipe you favorited

[vale maple]

Oooooh thanks!

[thorn pulsar]

guys i cant get the hel of the argent skull why ? i talk to medea for like 10+ times i have 1 skull at max lvl so what is the problem ? is there any thing i am missing here 🤔

[shy zephyr]

you need to ||have the three base skulls unlocked and either medea or persephone at max level||

[crystal mica]

Why does my cast don't ensare the boss lol?

[scenic arrow]

cuz they're immune

[crystal mica]

[scenic arrow]

it used to work on cerb actually but they changed it

[crystal mica]

I don't find my cast effective

Everytime I omega cast I get hit

[scenic arrow]

you can charge omegacast while doing attacking I think

[crystal mica]

Only boons I use with cast are Zeus and the hammer god

[scenic arrow]

nah cast is better served for debuffs, like freeze or weak or scorch

[crystal mica]

Yea scorch is good too

[silent mason]

Without spoiling too much.. when do I meet / get the other familiars? I already visited all floors on the surface and beat it once. Do I perhaps need to unlock additional rooms?

[scenic arrow]

cast is a support piece, not usually your main damage except on circe

[scenic arrow]

how many do you have

[silent mason]

Only the frog

[scenic arrow]

you can get 2 more at the moment. 1 is in erebus, the other is in thessaly

[scenic arrow]

freeze cast is op btw, try it out

[crystal mica]

Sure

[silent mason]

Cheers. Without unlocking additional incantated rooms?

[fallen kite]

i see

so it's good?

[scenic arrow]

uh erebus ||fountain room|| specifically, which you need to unlock

[scenic arrow]

scorch is very good, especially on fast hitting weapons

[signal bolt]

yea it's very solid

[fallen kite]

what about origination? Does it just apply to your basic moves, or does it boost all damage?

[scenic arrow]

all damage

[fallen kite]

Sounds kind of OP

[scenic arrow]

IT IS

[fallen kite]

i mean there are tonnes of damage incerases that are much weaker, and only affect weapon damage U_U

[scenic arrow]

privileged status back in H1 gave you +40%

[fallen kite]

i guess the only issue is that origination is competing with Unseen, Boatman and the other one that boosts rare and legendary boon chances

[scenic arrow]

its a lot easier to get 2,3, or even 4 curses though

[fallen kite]

Unseen my beloved <3

-# i mean i never take unseen but i love it when i get it from the piggy bank

[scenic arrow]

not a huge fan of unseen, my gain boons are usually enough, or I'm not even uzing mana

[fallen kite]

how good are hephaestus attack boons?

they seem kinda unreliable for room battles

i guess the point is to stack poms on them??

[scenic arrow]

yeah their cooldowns get exponentially better

[vivid flare]

There is a cap at 2 seconds, for what it's worth

[scenic arrow]

or is it just multiplicatively better, idk

[fallen kite]

unfair

they should let us bring it down to 1 second, or even zero

[scenic arrow]

2 seconds is still quite good

[vivid flare]

You can get it down to 1.35 with a Duo

[fallen kite]

ok last thing for now

I am deeply ocnfused by how "+% cast damage" works

does it effect all cast boons? or just the damage from omega cast?

[scenic arrow]

cast boons too

[fallen kite]

i seee

So its really strong, right?

[restive swallow]

It's powerful, but not if you don't have the high base cast damage to go with it

Like, if you have 80 base damage, that's strictly better than 40 damage with a 40% buff

[shell roost]

Quick question. I'm interest in h2 and I've played h1 but I need to know one thing. How many bosses are there? H1 had way too few and it felt so damn repetitive to me

[novel plaza]

Do I count as a new player if I've made it to ||Typhon|| but haven't yet beaten the guy?

If not then I'll ask my question in the other channel

[indigo quest]

Is beating Cronos on night 20 about average? That's what I did

[restive swallow]

|| So, Hades 2 has four acts with four main bosses that are consistent, but there are two paths with completely different rooms and enemies and, yes, bosses. ||

[shell roost]

||that's exactly what i feared. Always the same 4 bosses is a pass for me. I hoped they addressed this in the sequel||

[restive swallow]

|| But you got the point that you can change to a different path and get different bosses, right? ||

[shell roost]

||6 instead of 4 is still not good, not even close||

[abstract iris]

Hi what does looking at thw moon do

At the weapons room

[deft turret]

Hey, is there a reason to increase fear after the first clear other than to challenge urself?

[novel plaza]

||I thought there were 8 total, where did you get 6 from??||

[restive swallow]

Plus there's || a couple of few-off bosses you can encounter, like in the first game with Charon ||

[shell roost]

||possum said 4 main paths and 2 side paths||

[novel plaza]

||No, the path is something you choose at the start of the run. One takes you down and you fight 4 bosses, and the other takes you UP and you fight 4 DIFFERENT bosses||

[shell roost]

||so it's 8 but they are consistent right?||

it's a bit better but I still need to think it over

thanks

[novel plaza]

Okay anyways I still need help figuring out to beat ||Typhon|| because he's whooping my ass

[restive swallow]

Also, like, idk how much of the first game you played, but || when you begin applying the postgame modifiers, the encounters change massively, like Theseus being on a chariot with a god damn cannon or the hydra arena being covered in lava ||. I haven't played the boss modifiers in this game but I imagine it's much the same

[shell roost]

yeah i remember that but it doesn't address the lack of variety i'm feeling. That's the problem with needing to reconcile a deep story with roguelike mechanics so I def understand why they're doing it but I just fear i'll tire of it faster than i did with h1

[slim hawk]

Quick question: is the first boss pretty beefy compared to hades 1 first boss, or did my build and execution just suck? 🙂

[novel plaza]

It does generally feel like bosses in this game have more HP than in Hades 1

[restive swallow]

They are beefier and their animations are generally harder to recognise, so you're encouraged to be a bit more patient and careful, too

[scenic arrow]

really? I found them to be squishier because I think its easier to get very strong builds in h2

I'd have a build cooking by the end of erebus while I'd barely have scraps in tartarus

[novel plaza]

It is, but it still feels like someone like ||Theseus|| from Hades 1 is less resilient than ||Cerberus|| in this game

[scenic arrow]

I think h2 zone 3 as a whole, boss included, is way way way nicer

[novel plaza]

Okay but seriously can someone give me advice for ||Typhon||, I'm sorry for repeating myself but I'm really stuck

[scenic arrow]

I hated elysium so so much except its aesthetic

[novel plaza]

The only thing I didn't like about Elysium was the shield enemies

[scenic arrow]

||Stand point blank on typhon.
Dash down for chinslam, you need to learn the timing to iframe. Laser has a blind spot on his tongue, free damage. His forehead shot is best dodged with a quick sidedash. Tornadoes will make you run away for a while, unfortunately.

If you are point blank, he will almost always chinslam you every other attack, so if you learn to dodge it, you can go lots of time without taking damage.||

||In his final phase, you'll need to dash down for his tentacle attack. Sometimes he'll raise his head, this means his red artillery is coming in, also forcing you out.||

[novel plaza]

||The tentacle attack is the little vine things that pop up and spin around?||

[scenic arrow]

||He has 65k hp. Zeus appears at 50% hp. Eggs 2 occurs at 40%, I believe. Use this to assess how much damage you're dealing.||

[novel plaza]

||I couldn't even tell I was in the final phase because his health bar vanished||

[scenic arrow]

||Yeah, they come in waves from the bottom to the top.||

[scenic arrow]

||Phase 1 - eggs 1 - phase 2 - zeus - eggs 2 - phase 3 - win||

[indigo quest]

Does Black coat have no aspects?

[novel plaza]

||I don't actually know enemy HP values in this game, didn't really know them in H1 either||

[scenic arrow]

use it for a run

[scenic arrow]

||its like double of chronos I think, to make up for him being a stationary target||

[novel plaza]

||Is this accounting for both chronos phases, or is it one phase in isolation?||

[scenic arrow]

both

[novel plaza]

||Either way Typhon having so much health means I need to be constantly wailing on him to beat him before he beats me||

[scenic arrow]

||He's still a relatively short fight with a good build, about 1:30 to 2 minutes||

[novel plaza]

||Out of the 5 runs I got past Eris, 3 died to Prometheus, and he still took 1 or 2 defiances from me on the two fights I actually made it to Typhon||