h2-builds-and-combat

[bronze flax]

So basically cooler (arguably?) Mel's Axe

[spiral wadi]

i would imagine for nergal u just spam attack

[spark crown]

I HATE THAT THE BRAWL ASPECT IS THE BEST DAMAGE WISE

[mental sigil]

hey has anyone in here tried to do the toughest gain?

since you can get levels on it if you swap it in later, I wanted to do jpom persephone pom pom pom and then swap in tough gain

but im curious if anyones ever done it before

[wild drift]

Highest you can get it is with Ransom

[mental sigil]

ohhh true true

that would take a lot of resetting but its arguably easier because you could justify doing that with rerolls

do you figure its better to go bottom path for pom pom pom, top for town, or dream dive and yolo it

[glossy jetty]

id say pom pom pom

if you could manage to pop a ransom

plus the fact that charon wells have sacrificial hymn

[spark crown]

bottom has more + boon lvl bonuses

[mental sigil]

jpom or rerolls in your opinion?

[spark crown]

Rerolls

And god keepsakes

Concave stone coupd be ok 8f it rolls on who you are ransoming

[glossy jetty]

And probably start with posiedon

Just so you can roll sea star poms

Nvm don't do that you need to guarantee Zeus and hera 😭

[spark crown]

Yup

Reroll till you start with zeus or hera

[indigo viper]

Hi, I'm planning to test new Ares' legendary and overall Ares' centered build. Which wep would work fine with it?

[manic shuttle]

I once had it in a medea run with vicious strike, griveous blow and grisly gain, was pretty good

[uneven palm]

Medea or maybe one of the flames?

[spiral wadi]

i would say selene coat

but legendary doesn't actually work on lance of ares rn

presumably an oversight/bug/whatever

idk if +100 works on fourth degree either

[magic grove]

iirc it works

[spiral wadi]

o nice

[viral yew]

[gusty ginkgo]

is there a way to reroll hammer boons?

[vernal quiver]

nope!

[gusty ginkgo]

damn thanks

[tough pasture]

Friends, it has been a long time. Tonight I played h2 for the first time in like 9 months and got smoked by region 3 chronos on 14 fear in a dream dive.

It's clear to me I've forgotten a lot (like the dais in phase 2 having clock hands which do way more damage than his scythe does).

Can someone give me a quick refresher on ideal builds for medea aspect? What should I have on the attack and special?

[wise idol]

Blitz special is always good on Medea, a lot of attacks work, but getting a % attack with a curse to get origination active is always good

[tough pasture]

I had epic aphro attack + epic zeus attack. It felt good. But I had clearly forgotten how to play medea aspect so I wasn't maximizing it...

Is there another special that also works well on medea? I recently heard that ares has been buffed in some way. Does that show up on medea?

[wild drift]

Zeus special is the best by far
Then Aphrodite special if you get the hammer Colossus Driver

[vernal quiver]

medea is one of the "literally anything works" kinda weapon

best case will always be zeus special + hera attack/ares attack, but ive seen splash work, scorch, apollo, basically anything works on the weapon

ideally you want curses on attack and special so you get orig to prock the second you hit the enemy, but apollo/aphro on attack is plenty strong

special is kinda a zeus slot since its base damage is never enough to really warrant a big % scaler so its better reserved for zeus exclusivley or ive seen scorch or freeze on there too

[fleet kite]

Clang special shoutout

[tough pasture]

Got it. Thanks.

My problem is I'm super rusty on the zig-zag for medea...

I always struggled with the quick change of direction. I need to practice on that...

[bronze flax]

Yeah, I feel it is physically demanding. My thumb hurts with the sliding between Attack and Special buttons lol

[uneven palm]

I put special on a bumper

[fleet kite]

This is the way

[hollow stag]

For a Morrigan Build with Apollo Attack, Sweeping Ambush Hammer, Apollo Legendary, Artemis Shadow Pounce

What other gods would be good? Ares or Zeus Special

[wild drift]

Next most important god would be the one for your gain

That's 65 magick per Oattack right

Not sure what gain in the game sustains that aside from Born Gain with a million max magick and Tranquil Gain with Wolf Howl

[fleet kite]

Spensive

Doesn’t seem like it would play well with morrigan’s whole thing either

[wild drift]

It's definitely the best possible build for speedruns

But for fear it's unsustainable, even Sweeping Ambush on its own is difficult to sustain

[hollow stag]

Still in Region 1 Surface. I got Apollo twice in first two rooms!

I’m still trying to get Legendary, though I got Shadow Pounce.

Unfortunately, Hermes is not there.

[surreal hazel]

Flood Gain, clearly

[white inlet]

Am I the only one who cant grasp what to do with aspect of supay
,like i get it, rush. but what do i put on it? i cant imagine any build that hasnt fumbled its the only aspect that i dont get

[uneven palm]

On-hits on attack/special

Poseidon, Hestia, Zeus are your friends

The rush damage boost is bait

Omegas make your attack/special go faster/harder

[mystic mango]

Not really

You’re still gonna want a rush boon regardless

[uneven palm]

I mean fair, I just think too many people expect they can main Hera rush through Chronos

[flint widget]

which is why pos rush is my goat

[mystic mango]

Thunder, breaker or heat rush are all amazing on bosses

Thunder rush on Supay is like having a permanently active storm ring that gets double furies buff

And breaker rush is just the goat if you learn how to use it

[flint widget]

turn off auto sprint and spam dash for breaker rush ez game

[mystic mango]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1217110523091357747/1485850411033170031/image.png?ex=6a107d47&is=6a0f2bc7&hm=98ee76cac9194610a9f6f4ec3318d52546546e1e6e9f259f6a660581d891d793&

This was also fun

Heat rush shreds and is generally stronger for room clear than thunder rush due to hitting multiple enemies

[hollow stag]

Which would you prefer on Surface Region 2?

Circe (4% crit) or Shop (2 boons)

[mystic mango]

I'd prefer 10% movement speed and dodge chance honestly over 4% crit chance

[proper cloak]

Remember when the rush boost was a 1 trillion percent multiplier

Those were the days

[tranquil ore]

how do i build around scorch?

whenever i use scorch it feels like im doing no damage

[spiral wadi]

scorch rewards u for applying scorch as much as possible, works best with multihits or anything that hits fast

ur gonna want pyro technique since it's one of the few ways beyond dmg modifiers that makes scorch competent in dps

kinda just stack as much as possible as quickly as possible

[glossy jetty]

That, and pay attention to health bars

It'll show you how much damage the currently applies scorch will do to the health bar. If it's fully yellow, that means scorch will kill it eventually and you can move on to other enemies in the room

[tall notch]

yeah thats 100% a syndrome of no pyro technique, it's rough when the boon doesn't want to show up

[tranquil ore]

what about other boons that synergise with scorch?

[glossy jetty]

Hestia is sort of a one-woman show, really. There's freezer burn and burning desire but largely not what you're shooting for with Hestia

[tranquil ore]

what about the poseidon duo? or is steam useless

[glossy jetty]

Oh yeah that too

It's 20 damage, 10 ticks a second, for 2/3 seconds right?

[tranquil ore]

2 seconds

also if i am running a scorch heavy build is it ever worth using wantler bc scorch doesnt crit

[ember portal]

how do i dodge that Charybdis attack?

[austere trail]

start from the right end of the arena and then walk to the other end

[fleet kite]

Gust will slow the projectiles down if you happen to have a source of it

[fleet kite]

Possibly, for other sources of damage in your build

[faint rose]

can anyone give me an example for origination (arcana card) and how it's used? only curse i know is from chaos?

[fleet kite]

Blitz, Scorch, Gust, Wounds, Weak, these are all examples of Olympian curses

[ember portal]

i feel like they give prometheus extra health at his final stage

[faint rose]

ohhhhhhhhhhh thank you so much bro

[fleet kite]

If you have two of them applied to the same enemy, from two different Olympians, that enemy gets a little icon by its health bar showing Origination is active and it will then take bonus damage

[faint rose]

i thought it meant curses on mel

😭

[fleet kite]

Fortunately no

[faint rose]

does it have a duration or is it only active whilst the curse is active?

[fleet kite]

It’s active any time two diff Olympian curses are active

Doesn’t have its own separate duration

[faint rose]

thanks

[fleet kite]

The “different Olympians” thing really only applies to Demeter as far as I know, since she has gust and freeze

Although I guess Poseidon and she also have Steam but I don’t know if Steam counts as belonging to either one of them

[crude needle]

I think Steam does apply origination but also consumes it at the same time? Can't recall it. The last time I chose Scalding Vapor Poseidon's curse was still Slippery Slope

[hollow stag]

Get a Scorch boon and pom Pyro technique.

I’m trying out Hidden Skull aspect.

Something tells me that Poseidon attack is probably the best for it.

[crude needle]

It is indeed!!

[faint rose]

what would you guys say is the best weapon/aspect for stacking status effect/curses? like blitz and scorch

[fleet kite]

Yes

Pretty much every aspect can utilize Blitz well

[faint rose]

nothing preferred?

[fleet kite]

In general anything that hits fast and has a low base damage (like blades attack without final slice) is good for scorch splash and blitz

[faint rose]

aspect of eos?

[fleet kite]

Eos would most likely want on-hit effects on special

And probably hera on attack

[faint rose]

i wanna choose a specific weapon for my next run for curses

anything except blades

[uneven palm]

Flames, Coats, Staffs pretty much all work in both attack/special so those give you a lot of options

[vernal quiver]

There is no "best at stacking curses" since every weapon and god have the idea that you already get curses

You have attack, dash, special, cast, aphro gain all as options to get curses

[vernal quiver]

Hera special zeus attack actually

[upper shuttle]

how come heracles doesn't damage you anymore when you get hit by him in ephyra encounters?

I remember him dealing pretty big damage to you back in early access

[fleet kite]

Probably because that’s not very fun

[crude needle]

I like the torches... Supay with scorch attack and blitz special + duo is nuts

[hollow stag]

Woah, Sweeping Ambush on Hidden Blades can nearly one shot Eye of Typhoon with a single triad combo. It had a sliver of health left.

Imagine if Icarus showed up and upgraded that hammer.

[crude needle]

one my favorite aspects

so fun to play around

[gusty ginkgo]

on boon re-rolls..what does it mean when the rarity button flashed from blue to purple? i assume if you time it right you get purple instead of blue...but i havent been able to get purple yet

[viral yew]

What?

Rarity is random

[gusty ginkgo]

not re-rolls but when you can up their rarity

[viral yew]

With the keepsake?

[gusty ginkgo]

the word at the bottom rotates color from blue to purple...yeah

[viral yew]

Yes, you can rarify a boon from common to rare, rare to epic, or epic to heroic at rank3 of any of the olympian keepsakes

[gusty ginkgo]

so you cant go from white to purple?

[viral yew]

No

[gusty ginkgo]

ok so it changes color for no reason

[viral yew]

What changes colour for no reason?

[gusty ginkgo]

when you have the ability to upgrade a boon, the word Rarity is on the screen and it pulses from blue to purple

[manic shuttle]

If you have calling card you can update rarity

Pulsing signify that

[gusty ginkgo]

ok, i thought it maybe meant if i timed the button push to upgrade then i could jump a rarity

[manic shuttle]

No quick time events for major stuff in this game

Only for some resources

[viral yew]

That's just a cosmetic thing lmao

[gusty ginkgo]

What is the purpose of Personal Loan Boon that takes your money then doubles it after being a Guardian? its from a npc in the last region so after the guardian is killed i am assuming the run is over

or do mini bosses count as guardians?

[uneven palm]

What if it isn’t the last region?

[viral yew]

There's a region after prom

[gusty ginkgo]

damn ok

[viral yew]

4 regions, 4 bosses

[gusty ginkgo]

thought i almost won

[viral yew]

Same both ways

[analog sun]

So I just lost a pretty much guaranteed 50 fear run to Rivals Chronos’ second phase insta kill move and my question is, what is your strategy for it? Because at this point I’m just going to let the clock hands hit me and take the damage because this is like the third time I’ve lost a brilliant run to the ONLY THING that was going to kill me. It’s a goddamn circle and you dodge in a straight line! Of course I’m going to end up in the insta kill zone!

[fleet kite]

Just make sure you dodge from a point inside the ring to another point inside the ring

All in all it’s one of the less dangerous aspects of that fight

It’s definitely wide enough that you can dodge while staying inside. If all else fails dodge the hand part sooner so you have time to get back inside

[analog sun]

I’m so salty it was my best 50 fear supay run by far

[fleet kite]

Rip

Every time I try supay against rivals chronos I get bodied by p3 badly

But that’s true for most aspects

[analog sun]

I had like 8 minutes on my timer when I started Chronos fight so I could actually afford to take my time and I had evil eye and like 250 health with strength. He wasn’t taking me down with anything other than that one move and I fell for it

[fleet kite]

Yeah I definitely don’t like using strength on rivals chronos for that reason

I fell for the bubble in the middle of the arena at start of p2 too many times with strength

Not a fun way to lose a run

[viral yew]

You just run around the circle

[viral yew]

Don't take evil eye

Antler, pin, and fang are all stronger choices

[gusty ginkgo]

is trick knives the best hammer boon for knives?

[uneven palm]

By a mile

[gusty ginkgo]

fml, i suck using it. i struggle dashing and attacking without running into attacks

[uneven palm]

Use specials to hitstun before moving in if you can

[gusty ginkgo]

what about with bosses?

maybe im trying to use it wrong, i just try to spam dash attack as fast as i can..is there a cooldown to it?

[viral yew]

Undoubtably

[viral yew]

Nope

[viral yew]

You just dash to dodge and then attack while doing so

[gusty ginkgo]

so dont try and spam attack it?

doesnt seem like much damage if you slow play it..but i could of had a bad setup

[viral yew]

Yes spam it

[gusty ginkgo]

felt like i was dropping inputs when i tried

[wild drift]

That or dash through the clock hand

[viral yew]

https://imgur.com/a/KTyMXMo

[viral yew]

I just do both

[gusty ginkgo]

ok i wasnt doing no where near that really on the surface run. is surface harder? I did a mat farm run to the underworld and threw together a build that melted him pretty quick.

[viral yew]

You get stronger builds on surface

[gusty ginkgo]

i got unlucky with a lot of rolls, i probably was farming wrong

[analog sun]

I get hit too much for antler, 30 health isn’t enough. Pin removes strength. Evil eye gives 30% bonus on Chronos whereas Fang gives 25% max if you take the express route only

[viral yew]

Evil eye doesn't work on all the enemies in tart and on the other summons in the fight

And running strength at 50f is just gonna make it harder

[analog sun]

I don’t care about the other enemies lol I melt them no trouble. Only care about grandpappy

[viral yew]

Fang is still more damage

[analog sun]

Last I checked 25 is smaller than 30

[viral yew]

Again, all the extra dsamage

You ask any good player they'll tell you fang is just always better

[fleet kite]

Eye isn’t always going to be on the relevant r4 boss either

[terse timber]

Hello! I just unlocked morrigan, is there any good build for it?

[sour forge]

Alright, I need help. Game is wupping my ass on 38 fear. For context, I have Vow of: Pain (+3), Grit (+3), Hordes (+3), Menace (+2), Fangs (+2), Debt (+2), Shadow, Time (+2), and all vows of Rivals activated. I'm having too difficult enough of a time even with Zeus Hestia build

[wild drift]

That is way too hard for 38 imo

Get Pain and Hordes out of there, Scars 2, Wards, Return, Frenzy, Hubris, Denial, Time 3 are all easier options

[sour forge]

Got it. I only have that setup cuz it's the closest setup I run with Hades 1, and I play that game on 37 heat all the time so that's why

[fleet kite]

Men will do anything but go to therapy frenzy2

[sour forge]

lol

[viral yew]

Check the pins

[viral yew]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzAsMCwwLDYsMCwzLDIsNSwyLDIsMiwwLDYsMCwyLDIsOF0=

Use this, it's much easier

[tall notch]

why do people keep turning their 30-40f into practically 50+ fear with difficult vows all the time

[manic shuttle]

They're scared of time & frenzy

[tall notch]

grandpa still spawns adds and I don't think evil eye works against them, only against him

[austere trail]

why so passive in p2

[spark crown]

^

[viral yew]

It was a tutorial vid I made for someone

[austere trail]

ah gotcha

[upper shuttle]

does air quality work with reckless abandon? so instead of 5 55 or 555 its 50 55 555

[viral yew]

Yes

[upper shuttle]

icic thx

[hollow stag]

Does Lethal Snare buff Poseidon splash damage?

[manic shuttle]

Nope, only regular attacks

Attack & omega attack I mean

[frank siren]

but never take reckless abandon, it's bad

[upper shuttle]

it only negates %damage increase boons right? what if I had like blitz or hestia burn

I already made the mistake of taking reckless on a omega attack build and my damage fell off so bad I didn't think it would affect omega attacks cause it only said attacks

[frank siren]

attackS when they have S means attack + omega attack

and even if you did 555 damage 100% of the time, it's awful

[crude needle]

wow never knew that

Good to know

[upper shuttle]

does plasma affect the orbit speed for ygnium Omega special?

using aspect of supay

[uneven palm]

That would be incredible on Hel

[wild drift]

I allow myself to take it on Hel and Coat that's pretty much it

Oh yeah Blades too

Not like my TK machine is gonna miss the dash-strike damage

[fleet kite]

It’s ridiculously funny to use on coat

[tranquil ore]

how do i land my medea combos more consistently

sometimes i just phase through bosses instead of hitting them

especially cerb

[austere trail]

wait how do you phase through it? even an unloaded medea special deals dmg

[tranquil ore]

i have no idea, sometimes i just go through cerb without my skulls exploding

maybe he has a funny hitbox

ill do a quick uw run and see if i can get a clip

[uneven palm]

Some enemies just have real fussy hit boxes. Cerb and the Typhon Tail come to mind

[tranquil ore]

nvm i dont have image perms to even send the clip

[fleet kite]

Dm to someone or post in any other server (where you’re allowed to)and then copy the media link and paste here

I run jnto the opposite issue, my Medea specials don’t go through cerb like most enemies

But that’s fine as long as I’m expecting it

Can just attack+special into his back over and over

[tranquil ore]

i like when it just stops me right against him

[fleet kite]

Ye

[tranquil ore]

random theorycrafting, whats the most additional power you could realistically get in a run

mel axe with hell splitter, wounds, and a juiced up slow cooker?

[sand crow]

enfeeblement of cowards + hard target is hilarious

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/849525788005236766/1507522436479062149/Hades_II_-_2026-05-22_5-14-41_PM.mp4?ex=6a12352d&is=6a10e3ad&hm=5dded0f249fc2a8e2d895efa2f48f5aaf6a7203f00583767dacea4d2fea7e537&
(this is frenzy 2 btw)

[crude needle]

and gust on top of it lmao

[sand crow]

Uhhh in terms of sheer additive power (not total power) either the last skull fired after dashing on Bolstered Array Boosted Ignition Mel Skulls or Mex Axe + Heph Legendary with Ares Attack + Sanguinary Savor + Grape Juice + Slow Cooker + Heroic Secret Crush

[sand crow]

the best part is I took gust early on thinking "man I'm really going to need this I'm struggling with projectiles really hard rn"

I mean it was great origination at least

[brave harbor]

does apollo attack affect moros blasts? for size, i mean

(wait are moros blasts even considered attacks?)

[viral yew]

Yes

[viral yew]

Yes

[broken lichen]

this might sound real stupid, but has anyone made a tierlist for Ephyra doors?
especially regarding the extra rooms?

[sudden belfry]

what would yall say is the best apollo duo

[wild drift]

Join the speedcord so you can see this #1245594586135527466 message (I think there's an invite pinned in #self-promotion )

[wild drift]

Rude Awakening

[glossy jetty]

3 simple steps to playing soupay:

• make (flat damage) soup
• say ayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
• die to typhon cause i got overconfident and rolled no pyro technique

[manic shuttle]

Sun Worshipper, Beach Ball, Rude Awakening, Sunny Disposition are all peak

[fleet kite]

Worshipper is so nice like yay I’m not alone out here anymore

Even if its tangible value isn’t always so great

[gritty widget]

🥹 ive been such a good boy, please give me trick knives along with hera spec

[flint widget]

https://giphy.com/gifs/STRAPPEDUS-speed-ishowspeed-i-show-s5wFafpHxqKbIEERl9

[gritty widget]

no trick knives of course

[viral yew]

You're not gonna believe this

Wait I think you've alr seen that one

[fleet kite]

I feel like I never get trick or parray

But according to my record dude it’s only like 3 fewer runs with them than my most common hammers

I wonder if I front loaded my newbie runs with them when I didn’t even know they were good

[gritty widget]

do it
let me know just how 🐐 ed my luck it

im r4 rn with all dds and its not rivals chronos
so its so chill rn

https://klipy.com/gifs/low-cortisol-columbina

might as well take a half-nap while playing

[viral yew]

https://imgur.com/a/KTyMXMo

[gritty widget]

cmon ive been such a good boy, please give me trick knives
my artemis run is about to die from timeout

[viral yew]

You managed to pick the two runs that I somehow have footage for

[gritty widget]

i was gonna pick them eventually anyways in my quest to all aspects 24f
why do some oceanus rooms have like hordes 5 constantly on or something

[viral yew]

I've done all aspects 40f I just didn't record all of it, and speaking of oceanus hordes 5

[gritty widget]

40f not 24

im clearly in need of a break

one i wont get

[viral yew]

https://imgur.com/a/FW6OfrK

[viral yew]

Both routes or

[gritty widget]

i see nothing wrong with it
average oceanus

[viral yew]

I need to find the 1m+ fish room someone posted

[gritty widget]

hell naw
(dang it, now youve done and put that in my mind and i cant get it out)

[viral yew]

@mystic mango

[viral yew]

I did both, it's only 48 runs

[gritty widget]

snow queen and nitro boost with gale
Feeling like gojo over here
nothings touching me

[viral yew]

Time for antler

[gritty widget]

||chronos gonna slice me in half isnt he||

[viral yew]

Rivals?

[gritty widget]

i dont wanna do surface

[gritty widget]

ofc not
im a noob at that

[lyric summit]

Simply dodge 👆

[viral yew]

Gotta learn it eventually

[viral yew]

Ok then just antler

[lyric summit]

Good. Surface sux. Stay in the UW 💛

[gritty widget]

now that ive compared myself with gojo ive jinxed myself to be sliced

[viral yew]

I say that like I also don't suck at surface

[lyric summit]

It’s a miserable place

[gritty widget]

i used to do tons of surface runs
but its really annoying
its not undoable, just hella annoying

[lyric summit]

Except Ephyra. It’s lovely there

[viral yew]

Real

[gritty widget]

🤝

[gritty widget]

yes

[viral yew]

Ephrya-oceanus-fields-summit is my dream blunt rotation

[lyric summit]

Ephyra Thessaly Fields Tart pls pls

[wild drift]

And even in Ephyra you can get a room of like 3 Tombstones and 50 million Shamblers or 2 Talons and 2 Anchors and waste a whole minute in a room lol

[lyric summit]

I’ll actually try for more 67s if so

[lyric summit]

I’m pulling up the map for 3 minutes and planning my route lmao

Ain’t no way I’m spending more than a minute in a chamber 😭

[gritty widget]

i forgot to check book of shadows in fountain inbetween regions and screwed myself up
think we still making it?

[viral yew]

As in speedrun map? Or just ingame map

[flint widget]

3 minutes? u slow

[lyric summit]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1237928393081880687/1507672269399523398/image.png?ex=6a12c0b8&is=6a116f38&hm=ce48db92fe73af27743baa16f27b8774d93c506897c2e33272da9acfe0e65f42&

This ting^

[lyric summit]

Shush speedrunner

Ye for my dream dive vods I’ve just been using this pic and the screen is just paused for a few mins whilst I decide where to go lol 😂

[viral yew]

Lmaoo

[lyric summit]

Esp for my Circe 65 cuz I didn’t wanna throw

[wild drift]

I only memorized like 7 good rooms

[viral yew]

I had this shyt memorised while doing all aspects sub 9

[lyric summit]

We love Narrow Alley

[viral yew]

(Screw you dyno)

[manic shuttle]

Narrow valley goat

[lyric summit]

I’m surprised I haven’t been banned for profanity yet. I get a warning almost every day

[alpine raft]

longest pause i remember while verifying was just over 4 minutes

[lyric summit]

Me and the boiz love our…narrow alleys

[manic shuttle]

2 fat pillars courtyard second best

[wild drift]

Also Idc if Satyr Champion is technically faster than a room I am NOT fighting that thing unless I already have Melting Swipe and/or Freeze

[lyric summit]

Yeah no thanks 😂

This guy spins way too fast like jfc

[alpine raft]

isn't his windup also random

[lyric summit]

Yup. Avoiding that room like the plague

Even with Melting Swipe/Sickle

[alpine raft]

it's really a circus up there

[flint widget]

say that again...

[lyric summit]

Blunderworlder for life 🤝

Though that place has its awful moments too 💀

[gritty widget]

9 more aspects and im there
been grinding for almost the whole day
either its training, attempts at high fear, or fresh file tries
now 40f completion

[lyric summit]

Nice progress!

[gritty widget]

dunno how im still winning

[lyric summit]

Which aspects you got left?

[gritty widget]

than
mel axe
momus
hel
pan
shiva
mel coat
charon
selene

currently running special vow: Vow of Fatigue

[lyric summit]

3 axes and 3 coats. Oof

Oh wait you managed to do Nergal in the end? Let’s go

[gritty widget]

it was pretty easy
nergal starts becoming an uphill better for me at 50f tho

battle
oh gawd
vow of fatigue fr

[gritty widget]

mah man
are you sure trick knives exists
it could be a conspiracy theory made to divide the knive community idk
its been like 6-7 hammers with knives and no tk

[wild drift]

When I played blades I would literally just put my phone in front of me and half-watch youtube videos while resetting for Trick Knives room 1

If I got Gigaros + Reaper I would play it out

[lyric summit]

I swear TK never showed when I was grinding 65s too

[wild drift]

Or I think if I got Gigaros on Mel Blades specifically I played it out anyway

[lyric summit]

I settled for reaper spam tho

[wild drift]

On surface it's easier cause you can get to Ephyra where it's likely to have a hammer

[mystic mango]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1233146305308528650/1505219327752802314/5830311.MP4?ex=6a1265fd&is=6a11147d&hm=ae065ac872a392b97ca71ca29a11b0f1ce9314fcc60361e0bd6084423ddfa018&

[mystic mango]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1051942150025269309/1500662951210782893/Hades_II_-_2026-05-03_7-57-55_PM.mp4?ex=69f940c8&is=69f7ef48&hm=c6c473e5697ca762e7b99a519c3ec239b6ae19ac63ff67be2a411d5a4f7e9b28& also that’s nearly identical to my terrible fangs room I’d posted lol

[fleet kite]

6-7 huh

[young zephyr]

is high fear surface or under easier

for neither have i tried very high fear for surface i just recently got 50, but going from 48 to 50 was extremely difficult, for context i had 2pain 1scars 2time 0void 3 rivals and max everything else

switching from 1 to 2 pain was extremely brutal and i don't know how to go about increasing my fear well

[magic grove]

uw is easier, imo

[flint widget]

underworld by a mile

[wild drift]

I say it's close until above 50 when you need stuff like Hordes 3 Grit 3 and Rivals 3 then Surface gets way harder

[mystic mango]

Surface just hits like a truck. The bosses are overall easier on surface but the normal encounters are a good deal harder

[analog sun]

Underworld has easier mobs but more difficult bosses except for boss 3

[mystic mango]

The main breaking point of surface is having enough room clear to not time out to rivals Prometheus

While also not dying cause stuff does like 40-80 damage per hit on Pain 3

[verbal whale]

Ephyra and the easy first two bosses carry surface so hard.

[analog sun]

Anyone got tips for 50+ fear for sister blades? They feel so weak and slow especially at the beginning. Takes like 4 seconds to kill a single beefy enemy which is too long on VoT 3

[mystic mango]

Trick knives hammer carries the weapon at high fear tbh

[analog sun]

Yeah I’ve found that out especially if I have Ares or Zeus on special

[mystic mango]

Ares is one of the worst options for trick knives

Just since wards exists and otherwise his damage buff isn’t very strong

He’s a solid option on attack though cause of grievous blow

Trick knives isn’t mandatory for high fear, there’s multiple 62+ and even max fear clears without it, but it’s definitely something you REALLY want

Like 80%+ of high fear blades clears probably have trick knives just because of how powerful it is

[analog sun]

Someone just posted a no boon 65 fear run on Morrigan which is INSANE. saved that one to watch later

[mystic mango]

Morrigan is the single best weapon for not using boons

Because it’s aspect alone does so much damage

And yeah I’d already watched it, Omen’s just a god of that weapon

But Morrigan really is not comparable to the normal 3 blades aspects on much more than the fact that the omega attack teleports you and the special throws out a blade that boomerangs

Otherwise they play quite differently overall

Morrigan is very much about getting in the flow of landing blood triads and otherwise is nowhere near as build dependent as the normal 3 blades

[young zephyr]

for uw i should probably run 4 rivals and reduce pain back to 1 then?

since for uw i always run death

[spiral wadi]

wdym simply hit https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1051942150025269309/1482226408414777456/20260118205157-01KFA9GHGENF41C8TH93ZRVKME.mp4?ex=6a13202a&is=6a11ceaa&hm=09b458d966fc7e4a84972adbea1cec0ef85e191e69d8a2e7c256a7e3a6a6f15e&

[mystic mango]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/Ladder looking at the hammers used on all the top runs for each aspect most of the normal blades are just trick knives and reaper knives while Morrigan has a very wild spread of different hammers used

[young zephyr]

to remove the random chronos kills

[wild drift]

I think if your goal is only 50 then you can get away with just Rivals 3, Rivals 4 is a huge difficulty spike

[mystic mango]

Gig dash + heph attack + I think you had grievous + hush

[wild drift]

Penguin surely

[spiral wadi]

also juiced up slow cooker

patch 1 so sanguin wasn't relevant

[mystic mango]

Yeah just not very representative of ares by himself lol

[spiral wadi]

point is whatever god u put on spec doesn't matter unless it's dem

it's trick knives

[wild drift]

Hephaestus special ass too lol

[mystic mango]

Yeah Heph was carrying that damage pretty hard lol

I can’t see the damage that blast did but it was a lot

The blast number got covered up by whatever crit for 333

But still trick knives is trick knives and there’s a reason why like 80% of high fear clears use it

[magic grove]

agree

also some aspects might be slightly easier on surface i feel like? like supay

not sure.

[wild drift]

Supay starts easier on surface but way harder after Ephyra imo

Thessaly+ enemies are much harder to deal with with no hitstun and limited range

[mystic mango]

We love not being able to hitstun auto-forcers

[analog sun]

Is flutter strike (aphro attack) good on supay?

I have a choice between epic attack and cast and I can’t pick

[magic grove]

no

[analog sun]

Really? Interesting

[manic shuttle]

No, take cast, Supay likes on the hit effects like blitz, scorch, blasts,... on attack & special

[mystic mango]

Or Hera special

[manic shuttle]

Hera or Dem could be good for Cc tho if you have high damage rush

[mystic mango]

Hera special with Zeus/Heph attack and breaker/heat rush cooks

Or even thunder rush since you have hitch and so multi-target damage on rush doesn’t matter as much

[manic shuttle]

I don't like breaker much because of auto sprint but if you have heat/thunder rush hitch sounds good for attack /special ye

[mystic mango]

I honestly like Hera special more than nexus rush since rushes do so much damage on bosses

[flint widget]

exactly

cuz then u free up the rush slot for a better dmg rush boon for bosses

like heat, thunder or breaker

[mystic mango]

All three of those rushes absolutely cook bosses

[manic shuttle]

Yea but special does good damage too if you have blitz/scorch

[mystic mango]

I still prefer blitz attack since it’s animation limited anyways

And I can just omega attack for rooms

Scorch special is solid or smolder ring so you can get thermal

[manic shuttle]

I stop omega attacking after completing the build

Becomes dangerous w no hitstun

[mystic mango]

I’m just saying it’s an option if I want to apply more blitz

[manic shuttle]

Ye but you can take blitz attack, scorch special, hitch sprint

Is it better than blitz attack, hitch special, heat rush

[mystic mango]

Blitz attack hitch special scorch/zeus cast heat rush

[manic shuttle]

I have no idea

[mystic mango]

Heat rush does more damage than scorch does without pyro technique

And can crit

[flint widget]

i prefer breaker rush over any other rush boon solely cuz it hitstuns and supay has no hitstun

[mystic mango]

Breaker is like having a heph blast with almost no cooldown

I’m just saying options that don’t make you have to use breaker rush

Cause I’ve used it before and it definitely takes some getting used to

[flint widget]

fair enough

[mystic mango]

Not because it’s bad, it’s very good

I wish heat rush counted for scalding vapor

That’d be so peak

Poseidon cast or slippery slope with heat rush is great

[flint widget]

but that would mean heat rush would also apply scorch

[mystic mango]

No. Scalding isn’t just scorch effects

Glowing coal and controlled burn also count

So not sure why heat rush doesn’t work

[flint widget]

it seems like i have misremembered

i thought it requires scorch but its requires any fire effect

[mystic mango]

I don’t know if scalding is activated by heat rush but it isn’t an eligible requirement for scalding to appear

If it did work then I guess you could do like pos cast or slippery slope with Hestia cast

If heat rush activated scalding

Or do like hera special, Poseidon cast, glowing coal

And then heat rush but 🤷‍♂️

I just don’t see why heat rush wouldn’t be a valid requirement

Cause I remember wondering if it was on multiple occasions and being surprised it wasn’t

And it’s not like something like merciful end in hades 1 where they had to balance it by removing requirements

They just outright skipped over heat rush

[fleet kite]

Red pancake stepchild

[spiral wadi]

huh? i'm like 99% sure heat rush counts

[fringe echo]

any tips for rivals chronos on high heat?

trying to push 55+ fear atm, got to 50 without rivals 4

[spiral wadi]

what part r u struggling with him

[fringe echo]

third stage mostly

[spiral wadi]

like particular attacks, particular phases, etc

[fringe echo]

i just havent been able to get there enough times to really figure it out

[spiral wadi]

for third stage, general plan is when he's jumping around with the laser attack (which we call the cutscene attack), you just circle the arena

then when he begins to cycle thru attacks, abuse the time window after he attacks to get some dmg in

but not too long so u can react when he teleports and he initiates his next attack

[fringe echo]

i didnt realize that was the cutscene attack

[spiral wadi]

basically back-and-forth patience

[fringe echo]

i usually chase him around

makes sense

[spiral wadi]

ur on frenzy 2?

[fringe echo]

yep

[spiral wadi]

yea it's considered unsafe to try to attack chronos while he's doing cutscene attack

li'l tip is that the gold circles on the ground have numbers, that indicate the order in which he moves (randomized per run)

[fringe echo]

wait wdym they have numbers

[spiral wadi]

roman numerals

like if one of the gold circles has a I, he will show up there first

[fringe echo]

oh damn i didnt know that

also on the third stage, is there as easy way to tell which one is real?

there's this copy kinda like in the hecate fight

[spiral wadi]

uhh you kinda just tell by visual effect iirc

it's usually safe to just run around and not attack any chronos until clonos disappears

iirc fake chronos is more monotone gold-black

hard to describe

[fringe echo]

thanks

[spiral wadi]

np

[spiral wadi]

btw in #self-promotion there's a pinned message for the speedcord which also has a pretty cool high fear community, would recommend if u want more guidance etc

waiting for the high fear channel counterpart of h1 high heat

[mystic mango]

Nope

Somehow highly flammable, a tier 2 boon that already requires scorch to even be available, is an eligible requirement but not heat rush

It does apparently activate scalding vapor but is not an eligible boon for adding scalding vapor to the boon pool

So it's doubly goofy because imagine you get froth + scorch + highly flammable, then sacrifice your scorch away and then somehow still get scalding vapor because you have highly flammable

You now have a duo that does literally nothing despite having the eligible requirements

[spiral wadi]

hm, i swear it was a thing in previous patches but maybe not

[mystic mango]

Since highly flammable does literally nothing without having a way to apply scorch

[spiral wadi]

highly flammable maybe had a different function in ea? idk tbh

[mystic mango]

IDK but either way ftlog please make heat rush a valid requirement

[spiral wadi]

truu

[mystic mango]

It being able to activate scalding but not be a requirement is so dumb

Same with profuse not being a valid boon to unlock sanguinary, despite being directly tied to why you'd want sanguinary

Heat rush slippery slope supay with scalding would go so hardd

[spiral wadi]

def

[gusty ginkgo]

Is there a good way to help get certain duos? Say I put Poseidon on attack then want a zues duo. How do I do that?

[fleet kite]

Excellence arcana will make them more likely but it’s not really worth using for standard play. It helps if you’re trying to get the prophecy for finding every duo boon done though

Each duo has differing prerequisites but in nearly every case you can qualify for a duo by having a core (strike/flourish/rush/cast/gain) boon from both of the gods

If you have the incantation done that adds boon info to your book of shadows, you can view the prerequisites for every duo

[proper cloak]

if you have the prerequisites by the time youre halfway through area 2 you are pretty likely to get the duo

that being said i have totally had runs where i never got the duos i wanted the whole time despite satisfying prereqs in region 1, but its MUCH less of a worry in h2 than it was in h1

[gusty ginkgo]

hmm im not sure i have that incantation yet

[glossy jetty]

For that, you'll need to gift every Olympian at least once to get their keepsakes

[proper cloak]

its a pretty early game incantation and definitely is quite the game changer

[glossy jetty]

It's early game unless you completely forget to ever give Demeter nectar and end up beating the surface final boss for good before getting back to it

Soooooo yeah

[gusty ginkgo]

there are so many i dont know if im missing any, i just now unlocked ares though

[proper cloak]

afaik, ares is the last of the gods you have to gift to to unlock that incantation

[fleet kite]

You wanna gift every Olympian early on anyway for their keepsakes

And then a second time for the prophecy to get all of their boons

(And a third time for chaos since they have two prophecies)

[gusty ginkgo]

thats pretty much what i have been doing

i have like 7 left to get...one of them is the 2nd one in the 1st row..i would assume that would have been a easy one but maybe i missed something

[alpine raft]

you definitely know the person who gives that one

[gusty ginkgo]

lol how the hell did i miss giving a gift to a crossroads npc 💀

[mental sigil]

update vis a vis toughest gain: we are so close

currently have level 32 ionic gain and heph is IN the pool

and.... we lost to heroes 🤦

[alpine raft]

good luck with that im curious to see a big one

[glossy jetty]

I think you have to go underworld w/ rerolls

Sacrificial hymn should make it way easier to actually land a switch-out

[mental sigil]

honestly i think going surface might be easier just because ephyra lets you either put hera zeus heph in the pool or reset when theyre not there

the hymn play is definitely a line

[glossy jetty]

God keepsakes let you force one of the two anyway

[mental sigil]

ive tried both paths now though, im not sure if I have a preference

i think theres also a version of this run where you go region 1 calling card to put heroics in two of the other slots

and then go god keepsake

also this run could benefit from denial but that feels like copium

[viral yew]

Region 1 calling card is really bad

[mystic mango]

They’re just doing a funny run to try and maximize tough gain

So the debate is using CC to minimize possible sacrifices and getting sacrificial hymns to give levels to tough gain

[mental sigil]

yeah the plan here is not to make a powerful build

im just doing 12 fun fear to keep me on my toes

[mental sigil]

i also think, with that in mind, a different arcana setup that gives us the queen could be beneficial? just because ive been stuck waiting for ransom one too many times

[mystic mango]

I mean it’s not like you genuinely need a good arcana setup

[viral yew]

Ah

[mystic mango]

But setting up for queen isn’t difficult

Pretty sure most good loadouts just have to change a single card

[viscid rain]

Confused on Fates whim for Jewelled Pom. So Olympian boon gods are off limits, right? Does that include Hermes and Athena?

[fleet kite]

Hermes keepsake doesn’t force him to appear

Athena keepsake (and all the other Olympian keepsakes besides Hermes and Artemis) will disable Fates Whim

[wild drift]

Dionysus is fine too

[viral yew]

All olympian keepsakes except dio and hermes

[viscid rain]

Alright, thanks!

[young zephyr]

but then 2 pain is really really hard for me

especially if im running death instead of strength for underworld tp prevent random chronos kills

[viral yew]

Death is better for high fear and pain

[young zephyr]

wait really

[viral yew]

Yes lol

[wild drift]

Because of Scars yes

[young zephyr]

i only have 1 scars rn

[viral yew]

Put on scars 2 and run death

[young zephyr]

also my current usual way for keepsakes is pom, moon beam if i have moon water/fig leaf, experimental hammer, blackened fleece

are there better recommended ones

[wild drift]

What weapon are you using

[viral yew]

Don't use moon or fleece, they're really bad, same with moon water

pom-chrolex-whatever-pin/fang/antler is recommended

[young zephyr]

but fleece is the highest damage bonus boon i have

[viral yew]

Fleece is omegas only, fang and antler both give more damage

[livid willow]

hi! question: if I build the aspect of medea for the skull, when I use the attack and then use the special, the attack's damage is actually the explosion right?

I'm trying to understand how to build it properly and I got a bit confused trying to figure out if I should focus on increasing the damage of the specials or the attacks, because I fundamentally don't understand where the damage is really coming from. Sorry if it seems like a stupid question

[viral yew]

Yes

[livid willow]

so if I understand correctly, then building that specific aspect around special damage wouldn't really be particularly effective?

[viral yew]

Exactly yeah

[livid willow]

hell yeah, thanks! I appreciate it a ton

[wild drift]

*unless you get Colossus Driver then your special will be very strong and Aphrodite is gonna be the best choice

[mystic mango]

Medea benefits a lot from having blitz on special just because it’s a crap ton of extra damage basically for free

[livid willow]

thanks everyone I appreciate it, I shall try new stuff with this aspect

[vital jackal]

The ares-healing vow has to be the best boon in the game if you don't take the scars vow right?

I deserved to lose som many fights that I won cause I just counterhealed

[wild drift]

You didn't specify also not taking Pain so no

Also even without Pain you can get outpaced by big hits late game

[vital jackal]

I mean yeah at high fear you won't be able to just stand there but it still feels very good for a normal boon

[frail wyvern]

For fear 32 what would yall recommend for fear. I been trying to get used to frenzy 2 and it’s taking me a little longer than I’d like to admit

[wild drift]

What about Rivals?

[viral yew]

Absolutely not lmao

[vital jackal]

What is considered the best boon then?

[viral yew]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzAsMCwwLDYsMCwxLDAsMCwyLDIsMiwwLDYsMCwyLDIsOF0=

[viral yew]

Zeus special

[vital jackal]

...why though

[viral yew]

Just incredibly strong and versatile

Blood spree is only good if you're bad

[frail wyvern]

Ty I screenshot it. I’m going to attempt a few at this level and just get used to it. Would you think jpom still?

[viral yew]

100% all day all night

[wild drift]

If you asked let's say 500 of the best players for their top 5 boons I'd say the most mentioned boons would be (in no particular order)

Nitro Boost
Success Rate
Blinding Rush
Back Burner
Trusty Shield
Snow Queen
Arctic Ring
Static Shock
Heaven Strike/Flourish
Storm Ring
Double Strike
Sworn Strike/Flourish
Hereditary Bane
Proper Upbringing
Smolder Ring
Hot Pot
Flash Fry
Wispy Wiles

[viral yew]

I'd agree witjh this

[vital jackal]

I mean I would consider myself bad at the moment yeah. Just started playing again after not playing since middle of early access and I'm trying to get back to 32 fear. But even if you can dodge well isn't it still really useful to heal 1-4 per hit especially since there are really fast hitting weapons?

[wild drift]

Nah because it only keeps you at 40 tops which is 1-2 hits late game

[vital jackal]

Huh. Good to know. Most of those I expected I think

[raw quiver]

is there an optimal fear guide out there

[vital jackal]

I get the point, but always being able to tank smaller hits still seems useful

[raw quiver]

this stuffs getting painful

[viral yew]

There's so much other healing you can benefit from at that point hto

[vital jackal]

I guess yeah... anyways thanks for clarifying

[viral yew]

If you need blood spree to win a run it was a baadd run to begin with

[frank siren]

If youre gonna include Hermes, might as well throw in Artemis. Pressure points, vital signs, and lethal snare are all really good. And arctic gale > arctic ring imo

[wild drift]

Oh yeah lol Killing Stroke too

I was just going off my most cleared boon list and Artemis is rare so I totally forgot

[spark crown]

Shut up half respect
-# (this is a joke me amd luithien are freinds)

[torpid oak]

Blood spree is pretty chill if you're wantlering, especially when you don't have other defensive resources to tank in speedruns, for example.

[frank siren]

Yeah its marginally useful but I wouldn't say its even close to the best boon in the game haha. Its useful for 1/4 regions in a run

[torpid oak]

Oh yeah not the best boon at all, but I wouldn't say I'm bad if I'm using it in the run.

[frank siren]

Better than mutual destruction

[spark crown]

[uneven palm]

I’d add Born/Lucid Gain, Grievous Blow, Travel Deal

[wild drift]

Oh yeah gains exist and so does Ares

Add Glamour too I guess

[flint widget]

https://giphy.com/gifs/true-correct-why-is-he-olLyDUpnv5z3xhmeyB

[spark crown]

Nah new ares upsets me

He dosnt exist

I was a ares defender

But its hard to do when he gets mega buffed

[uneven palm]

You can be like “I always knew he was great”

[lyric summit]

Gigaros Dash

[manic shuttle]

Arctic gale, flash fry, Pyro

[wild drift]

Ok but if I include Gigaros and Life Tax and Deep Dissent I'm including stuff like Evade and Smalle Stature too

[wild drift]

Fish Fry good one

[glossy jetty]

what was old ares like anyway? only really got to him once he was reworked

[wild drift]

Or I guess not cause those don't show up at the record keeper

[vernal quiver]

basically plasma just stunk and he was a grievous blow bot the entire time

except now plasma is kinda real for mana upkeep and profuse bleeding is pretty strong early

[spark crown]

SG UNCAP PLASMA AND MY LIFE IS YOURS

Or double max so we can have old ledg effect without it

[glossy jetty]

uncapped plasma sounds hellish

[spark crown]

It was peak

[tawdry abyss]

TRIPPLE CICLRE BUILD

Aspect of shiva specials

Cast

Total eclipse

[proper cloak]

the days of uncapped plasma were horrid

[fleet kite]

What was bad, too much nyoom?

[proper cloak]

it was so hard to control

i considered ares legendary a downside back then

ive never really liked plasma conceptually but its better now thats for sure

grisly gain especially is very smart

good job supergiant you made something equally cool to life priming

[zenith olive]

is tan haammer a higher power or a higher attack speed weapon?

like should i favor high % or god damage attacks

[fleet kite]

Pan?

[zenith olive]

tanatus

sorry idk why i called axe hammer

i meant than axe

ive heard higher attacking speed weapons go better with god damage

but higher power weapons favor higher % dmg attacks

where does thanatus axe fall in that?

[fleet kite]

Ohh idk, I’m not good with axe other than Charon. I think Thanatos probably wants % on attack

[proper cloak]

Honestly, you can do both. It won't necessarily be optimal, but both are viable

I like Apollo attack on than axe

Potential for legendary, plus bigger radius for oattack

[gritty widget]

i wanna go for the legendary ally only run with night bloom x sun worshipper

[glossy jetty]

should probably get ecstatic obsession instead

guarantees youll have an ally at the start of rooms

[gusty ginkgo]

I dont know wtf I am doing wrong with the Morrigan Blades, but Im doing no damage at all to Promethues...even with heroid freeze on attack...triad doesnt even do much either.

[viral yew]

Are you using origination and furies?

And have you maxxed out the aspect?

[gusty ginkgo]

aspect us maxed, what is originiation and furies?

[viral yew]

The arcana

[gusty ginkgo]

yeah i am

[viral yew]

Hmm, you might not be activating the triad fast enough, or have a strong enough build, can you record any of your gameplay?

[gusty ginkgo]

not while playing on the switch

how does activating the triad fast matter?

[viral yew]

More triad procs, more damage, you want to be using special-dash attack-omega attack

[gusty ginkgo]

i can do underworld with throw away builds, surface i cant get anything going. prometheus wrecks my runs even getting past him takes too many DF's

[viral yew]

Might just be a prom fight thing, if you want advice on the boss, the biggest problem I see when people are fighting him is that he's really good at punishing aggression and more risky attacks, especially because of the big aoe attacks he has, you want to be concious of how close you are to him and try to ge for a couple hits, maybe set of a triad, and then sprint away and watch for his next attack

[gusty ginkgo]

my problem with him is his kick attack or whatever it is, i have to be close and it comes out quick to the point its hard to dodge

[mental sigil]

alright the toughest gain build is oficially real. we got the level 10 gain and were able to afk in the typhon fight for a solid minute

but its not enough

now that i know its possible. i need to go further

along with epic blood spree and juiced divine vengeance, this build becomes a bit of a joke

[viral yew]

It does have a fair amout of windup, it's just one of those things that you recognise through experience and practice

[wraith mulch]

Are special boons just broken (not in the fun way) with Aspect of Pan's omega special? I thought using Hestia would let me stack a lot of burn if I managed to glyph + full charge, but it barely did anything - in group fights, most enemies took no burn at all from it. Kinda sucks to build around that only to have regular special spam stack twice the burn (throw + back)

[fleet kite]

This is just how pan is

[viral yew]

Yeah pan just sucks

[gusty ginkgo]

can cast circles block Typhons red orb projectiles?

[viral yew]

No

[wraith mulch]

Oh wow, it really just is that bad? As a big fan of H1's Aspect of Chiron, this hurts. Omega special takes forever to charge - basically have to channel right in front of the enemy after dropping a glyph if you want to full charge before it expires, you'd think it would be at least decent.
Doesn't help I got like 10 hestia boons and no infusion to ramp up the damage. Oh well, I guess the best way to play it is to ignore the gimmick?

[viral yew]

You can make it work with pos special, but it just got nerfed too hard in EA to ever work well without trick knives

[wraith mulch]

Trick Knives... the artemis arrow on hit thing? I tried similarly with Zeus' sparkles thing... and got no air boons until the end, 10 damage a pop is not much

[broken spoke]

Trick knife is hammer

Dash strike fire 3 special

[viral yew]

Trick knives the hammer, static shock is actually an amazing boon on the right aspects, even without air quality

[wraith mulch]

noted thanks

[gusty ginkgo]

finally got Prom without losing a damn life, smh

[young zephyr]

Is flood gain any good

I always avoid taking it because it doesn’t make me end up with extra magick in the end, and there isn’t a way to make it connect with itself

[viral yew]

It's one of the better gains yes

[wraith mulch]

It's good if you don't use magick at all and to access the boons requiring it, I suppose. Every time I used it, I end up oom after 30s at which point no regen is possible.

[viral yew]

Regen is always possible after the cooldown, wdym

[young zephyr]

it’s just you can’t regenerate more than you use

so during the cooldown Mel would be unable to use an amount past 1 use

[alpine raft]

its infinite magick half the time with a decent level

[wraith mulch]

If you have no magick, you can't omega cast, so you can't get regen

[young zephyr]

you can

[viral yew]

It gives you the omega and starts the regen, that's how it works

[young zephyr]

but imo it’s still terrible since there’s only half time where there’s infinite magick

[viral yew]

Top 3 gain btw

Yeah it's not good for everything but still very consistent with larger magic pools

[young zephyr]

for my omega heavy builds I either use Hera or Apollo for Charon axes, ares or hestia for rapid hitting omega heavy

[wraith mulch]

every time I've used it, I'd gain no magick from it, I'd just be stuck saying "can't cast now" and other lack-of-mana type phrases ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[alpine raft]

if you prime out it wont work

otherwise its infinite for its duration

[viral yew]

Pos is a good substitute for any of those, not the best in any category, but always works well

[wraith mulch]

never mentioned priming - I must've had like 80-100 magick? Ended up relying on mana upgrades to cover for the non-regen

[young zephyr]

huh

it doesn’t have this sort of problem now for me at least

maybe it did for some older version?

[wraith mulch]

current issue for me - started this year and still going

[gusty ginkgo]

finally beat typhon

[fleet kite]

Flood gain works surprisingly well on Charon

Last time I ran it I only ever ran into oom issue one time at the very end of typhon fight

[mystic mango]

The main issue with tidal ring is the damage is at the start not the end

[fleet kite]

I meant flood mb

[mystic mango]

Really needs jpom and rarity though

It can't hold up at common lvl 1

4 seconds is barely anything

[fleet kite]

Yeah I kind of just assumed jpom

If you’re playing Charon with rerolls there’s almost no excuse for not having lucid from room1

[mystic mango]

Well the excuse is having atrocious luck and not being able to change fate to reroll run seed

So then you burn all 10 rerolls on the very first boon and still somehow don't get lucid

[fleet kite]

There was a term for that in the h1 speed community named after a player it always happened to but I forgot it

Like the speedrun mod specifically had protection for that happening built into it

[young zephyr]

for Charon it’s the only one where I definitively always try for apollos gain

[uneven palm]

Vorime. They were doing Games Done Quick and couldn’t get the desired starting boon even with all the rolls. The “offer all core boons first boon” setting in the h1 speedrun modpack was called “Anti-Vorime” haha

[gusty ginkgo]

Does Trick Knives hit for even more with Aspect of Morrigan since attacks hit 3 times?

[wild drift]

It doesn't exist with The Morrigan

[viral yew]

Can't get tk on mog

[gusty ginkgo]

ah ok

[gritty widget]

mog indeed

[lyric summit]

Love how we all have different ways of pronouncing Morgan 🫢

[uneven palm]

We talkin about Murgin?

[viral yew]

Someone mentioned the meg?

[magic grove]

The™ Morrigan®

[glossy jetty]

Thinking about it, Apollo and charon are kind of a match made in heaven

Like, lucid gain, nova flourish, blinding rush for better positioning, the boon that strikes your omega cast after it pops

Exceptional talent

[fleet kite]

I’ve never tried for ET with Charon, I just use Giga cleaver if it shows up

Super nova is huge for Charon tho

[mystic mango]

I will continue calling it Morrigan and nobody can stop me

[mystic mango]

Morgan and Morgan Law Firm

Visit forthepeople dot com today

[austere trail]

morrigu

[magic grove]

yeah same but i like that they didn't just call it morrigan in game

[sharp gale]

calling it the Morrigan is cooler 😎

also more accurate as well

[magic grove]

everything about this aspect is insanely cool theme-wise

[manic shuttle]

more gun the best

[feral star]

Hey thinking of doing a Hel run for the first time, anyone got some cool ideas?

[gritty widget]

poseidon attack hera special

[mystic mango]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-meme-spongebob-spongebob-squarepants-squidward-how-original-gif-20004154

[lyric summit]

hestia attack hera special

[mystic mango]

https://tenor.com/view/daring-today-are-we-spongebob-squidward-gif-22508233

At the minimum please add in Demeter cast for possible freezer burn lol

[uneven palm]

Demeter attack Hestia special let’s get real weird with it

[proper cloak]

apollo attack, go crazy on the oattack

hel oattack is like, solid now, its so cool

[spark crown]

Ares special zeus attack

Aiming for heinous affront

[wild drift]

Oh yeah that's a good one for a fun run

[surreal hazel]

Helheim charge needs mentioning

kinda essential for that setup, but HO BOY that hammer is so out of line

[gritty widget]

what you want me to say dem atk and pos special?

[mystic mango]

Apollo/Hera attack Helheim with Zeus/hera/ares special 🔥

[gritty widget]

wonderful technique my liege

[mystic mango]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1233146305308528650/1493979406622785699/20260415-0021-48.5948924.mov?ex=6a1654ff&is=6a15037f&hm=4b16d41dbf864409f72ea9171cf965d3d8d3a64869ea43430a29393785907825&

[gritty widget]

The user focuses their cursed energy to unleash a flurry of powerful blows, which have been enchanted by the Gods of Olympus

[surreal hazel]

"I'll be able to dodge bullets?"
"If you have enough DPS, you won't have to"

it's unfortunate that they actively scripted in ET only adding one extra projectile

if they didn't put that in, it would revert to default ET behaviour and copy every projectile

[mystic mango]

What do you mean

That is how ET works on Helheim

You get 6 projectiles

[surreal hazel]

no you don't

you get 4

[mystic mango]

You DO I’ve literally freaking done it

[surreal hazel]

I tested it and saw... unless they changed it?

[mystic mango]

Let me double check to make sure I’m not schizo posting

[surreal hazel]

still says 4 in the scripts

[mystic mango]

That’s kinda dumb

Well whatever it’s still good

[surreal hazel]

waaait. this is hard to count

[mystic mango]

It’s 4

Unless they overlap at some point I can’t tell

[surreal hazel]

yeah, it's 4 it seems

just checking in case there was another weirdness

[mystic mango]

Yeah well either way Helheim is super competent now

Actually usable

[surreal hazel]

wait, heh

the scripts for helheim charge and ET both check for the other's existence and try to set the number of waves to 4 if it finds it

a little redundant but hey

[surreal hazel]

mmm, just helps to have a little understanding about when oAttack starts charging, because there's a bit of funk there

the charge time is 1.75 seconds now (wow, it was 3 seconds)

but it only counts from the end of the first salvo I think?

[jade wigeon]

Do you guys have any builds and tips for chronos I have been using the sister blades with hesita, Zeus and Artemis but I haven’t beaten him once yet

[wild drift]

So you know how your username is "TK"

[jade wigeon]

Yeah what about it

[wild drift]

There's a hammer upgrade for the blades called "Trick Knives" often abbreviated as "TK"

And it's absolutely broken

So if you see it take it

Otherwise, Hestia and Zeus are pretty good gods for blades in general yeah

[jade wigeon]

Oh my name isn’t from that but thanks I will look out for that

[wild drift]

Either are pretty good on special, Hestia is good on attack if you want to spam it if you get Pyro Technique (but if you get Trick Knives Zeus is great on both attack and special), Static Shock is always good too

[lyric summit]

TK using TK is some insane nominative determinism. I love it 🙏

[jade wigeon]

Good to know

[lyric summit]

But ye deffo top 5 hammer in the game. Maybe even top 1 lol

[austere trail]

surely possessed array takes no1 (tbf it needs a good gain)

[lyric summit]

It’s just the fact that it needs a gain whilst TK you can pick up and play ye

With a good gain, parray is the undisputed king 👌

[hollow stag]

What’s a stronger Omega Attacks Axe aspect with Apollo Legendary and Psychic Whirlwind hammer?

Thanatos or Nergal

[gritty widget]

nergal

[uneven palm]

Oh I’d say Thanatos. You get double-damage with Apollo’s Lego there. Nergal it’s double length, which isn’t bad but I’d rather take that damage

[viral yew]

Why would you ever want to play with thantrash tho :P

[verbal whale]

For the satisfaction of proving that my scythe is better than grandpa's.

[mystic mango]

Sometimes I wanna just grab a beer and mow the lawn like I’m a middle aged American man

And unironically it’s a fun weapon once you get a decent build

[lyric summit]

We’ve discovered a forbidden technique v recently with Thanatos. Turns out it’s actually an OSpec aspect instead 🫢🫢

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1237928393081880687/1508991004567671006/ConnerTEP_-_052526_-_ThanatosSF.jpg?ex=6a178ce3&is=6a163b63&hm=cb2c86279350648a397a144f10255281c832acca1d3f9aa83fe83606192528fa&

Courtesy of Conner in speedcord*

[sand crow]

guys do I do wide grin or volatile array with possessed array + grisly gain lmao

this is mel skulls btw

I'm... oddly considering volatile for the extra hit? That should generate plasma right

[uneven palm]

Wide, almost definitely

[bronze flax]

Finally, it can join to the person who was playing Psychic Whirlwind Charon

Also, first registered instance in the history of Dying Wish in the damage board

[alpine raft]

hey dying wish is kiinda good

[gusty ginkgo]

if im fishing for a duo boon should i be putting on the keepsake of either of the two gods then roll them whenever one comes up?

[fleet kite]

Get the prereqs and then reroll one or two times whenever you see them after you’re eligible yeah

[gusty ginkgo]

ok thats what i was doing and just got what i wanted, thanks

[bronze flax]

It is fine, but I never see it on the damage board lol

[wild drift]

Dying Wish often makes it on the damage board in Trickslop/Shimmerslop runs where Hera spec is majority of damage

[fathom wagon]

Can I get some help I'm struggling with fresh file chronos phase 2

But I made some bad build decisions no back burner or steam or smolder ring

My build is heavy slip beach ball

[vernal quiver]

tbf thats really all you need

both of my fresh file clears were beach ball almost exclusively

p2 gramps its really just p1 with a couple extra steps, what i did when learning was cuz its fresh file and theres no previous night info, when you die if you hit undo night iirc it respawns you back at the start of the chamber

its what i did for practice before a real run

[fathom wagon]

Oh also there's a like a glitch (?) If you die on the first night, quit out of crossroads, delete the save, exit out it still has the save file

And that undo night trick doesn't work

I bricked 2 of my slots

[vernal quiver]

oh really?? mustve patched it

i did my fresh files on 1.0 lol so ig they changed it

but treat p2 how you would p1, play passive, take your turn when its guaranteed, and dont get greedy. his moveset is mostly the same and when he drops to half the best bet is to focus the hourglasses to make space and guarantee saftey if he ohkos again

[fathom wagon]

I think on completely new profiles and not going to the crossroads it works

I have one slot where the trick works

Because it has no previous night info/never been to crossroads

Would you even bother melee

Or just beach ball him to death

[vernal quiver]

yeah melee combos still deal solid damage especially assuming you take apollo attack from the first boon'

dash attack -> attack -> special is the idea, keeps you stupid safe and if you played h1 fresh file itll be a super familiar combo since its the exact same rhythm sword had

[fathom wagon]

I have like level 6 poseiden attack with slip and artic gale/ring

[vernal quiver]

once you get breaker rush and beach ball the combo changes to dash attack -> special so you get to rep more balls and waves while still staying mobile and keeping damage up

[fathom wagon]

Oh I didn't think of that

Oh I have apollos dash is that bad

[vernal quiver]

yeah the dash attack -> special loops the time for breaker rush almost perfectly, you just have to be consious of beach ball direction too

[vernal quiver]

no! but its fs lower damage than whats normally taken

[fathom wagon]

I might reset to try to optimizev

[vernal quiver]

fresh file is super flexible as long as you dodge good theres a bunch of strong ways to win, just breaker rush + beach ball is the easiest

[fathom wagon]

Mhm

Freshfile hades 2 has been really fun to play/learn

[vernal quiver]

stuff like freezer burn is also stupid strong! and im sure theres another few strong duos since the god pool is apollo/pos/demeter/aphro/hestia

[fathom wagon]

I didn't like freezer burn that much but I couldn't pom scorch really high

Oo burning desire + Pyro technique sounds goof

[vernal quiver]

ive also seen people take lucid gain at the start and rep Oattack/Ospec stuff since exceptional talent is a possibility just the difficulty there is no arcana and banking on a legendary

[fathom wagon]

What's optimal order if u see apollo first then demeter/posiedon

I typically see those 3

Then one of hestia or aphro

Ok I'll try judt beach balling chronos to deathc

I also was thinking of glowing coal + smolder ring

But that damage seems too low

[vernal quiver]

yeah! so the way the god pool works specifically is that apollo is guaranteed at the start, then you will get posiedon or demeter your choice or whoever shows up first, then after you get one of those 2 aphro and hestia can start showing up

[fathom wagon]

I mean to say optimal boon order

[vernal quiver]

so prefered order is you take apollo attack from the starting boon, take poseidon asap(and possibly skip demeter to force him a bit more) to get breaker rush, then spam pos and apollo until beach ball shows up

[fathom wagon]

My guess it's apollo attack breaker rush

[vernal quiver]

yeah exactly lol

you should get beach ball live either end of erebus or in oceanus

then you can take like aphro/demeter cast if you want really good cc, aphro special is always gonna hit like a truck, etc etc theres a bunch of options

[fathom wagon]

What I enjoyed about fresh file was doing it blind/testing stuff

But then I saw beachball and I was shocked

Because I never use it in normal gameplay

It's just statically good

[fleet kite]

Beach ball rescued my dash only run

[fathom wagon]

Oh do u bother looking for daze

Also thoughts on smojlder ring? Or not needed with ball

[vernal quiver]

never needed but its a high damage cast which youre pretty low on for fresh file

100/s is a lot when its fresh file

[fathom wagon]

Basic level 1 scorch is like 40 per second it's so bad

I thought I was cooking with an epic level 2 scorch attack with freezer burn

But I picked up Pyro and it killed me

[gritty widget]

i do not stand for scorch slander

[viral yew]

Scorch is always 100/s

[vernal quiver]

yeah youre not supposed to just hit them once and do nothing after 😭

as long as your staying aggro scorch realistically barely drops below 100

[fathom wagon]

I mean for ring

[hollow stag]

You can dodge a lot with Scorch

[gritty widget]

scorch cast is very good
Drop it down
Hordes of enemies take a ton of damage on top of not being able to move
Or drop it down on a boss and dodge

[hollow stag]

Does Hidden Blades aspect have the best hammer upgrade?

+200% to Omega Attack?

[wild drift]

I believe Sweeping Ambush is +400%

[hollow stag]

From Icarus

I meant to say hammer upgrade from Icarus.

[spiral wadi]

probably ye

[hollow stag]

I can't think of a strong Icarus hammer upgrade from Staff, Flames, Axe, Skull, Coat.

[rich belfry]

a question for everyone , what's your recent op build u tried . im trying to be the game with 32 fears but man its hard as hell

[spiral wadi]

circe aspect with storm ring

pretty good things just die

hit hermes winner's circle and zeus double strike

[rich belfry]

https://mobalytics.gg/hades-2/builds/aspect-of-circe-staff

this one?

[spiral wadi]

prob

i haven't read the guide at all, mostly skimmed thru it at some point

pretty good resource tho

[rich belfry]

yeah it is , i cant keep up with builds so this one is good to save them and try it . its kinda the build u r suggesting so im gonna try it with 20 fears for the surface

[wild drift]

If you don't mind using the same boons over and over again, Zeus attack Hera special Zeus cast is near-optimal for more than half of the aspects in the game pretty much

[tranquil ore]

whats the best curse afflicting cast

damage wise

[wild drift]

Smolder

[spiral wadi]

def smolder

i think poseidon cast also good on circe for burst dmg & stacks

[austere trail]

smouldering smoulder ring

[hollow stag]

Imagine having 15% dodge chance and that number is doubled by applying Scorch!

[rare grove]

it’s hard to pull off but Zeus attack ares special (or the reverse, you just need wounds) with Apollo light smite and henious affront Zeus ares duo boon (when you inflict wounds you trigger all your “when you take damage” boons so light smite goes off on every attack (with AOE) and things melt

[lean lance]

Morrigan Blades, Nova Strike, Stabbing Rush, Tough Gain, Static Shock. I could list all the other optimal boons from Apollo, Ares, Heph, and Zeus but I shan't rn. Best hammer for this is Final Slice of course, if you get that you're golden

[flint widget]

lately all ive been playing are skulls w possessed array so thats that

any% grind never stops

[rich belfry]

yeah i tried that with the nergal , my problem was its slow and hard to avoid attacks with

[rich belfry]

this one is good but i tried it with Chronos and it was a hard fight to pull off

[bronze flax]

Ohhh... Charon Max Fear has been completed. Neat

[austere trail]

oooh what, nice

[bronze flax]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trOc53YkzsQ

[mystic mango]

Raijy is just built different

Charon is aspect of the week on speedcord so we knew somebody was gonna try it, and if anybody it was gonna be her

[bronze flax]

One of those days is going to be Supay, surely

[mystic mango]

I’m still betting Supay will be the last max fear UW

It’s miserable unless you hit a build very early into Erebus

And that’s really hard to do without artificer

Not having magick for omegas also really holds it back

[bronze flax]

Yeah, Thanatos seems to require less to get a good max fear run by comparison

[mystic mango]

Supay’s issue is timer

It’s a plenty capable weapon once you actually get a build

But “getting a build” and Erebus are purely antithetical

It’s why surface supay is so much easier

Getting an entire build in Ephyra is pretty trivial

[hollow stag]

Does Hades’ Cinerary Circle work with Possessed Array hammer?

[frank siren]

Yes

[fleet kite]

Music I recognize, crazy

Belle & Sebastian

[hollow stag]

Really?

I thought Magick must be used, and I thought Possessed Array doesn’t use Magick, it loses Magick

Same for Athena’s Pikes and Selene boons

[frank siren]

Hmm i could be wrong lol. Well, best way to find out is jpom and hope you get cinerary and parray. But I dont see why youd want cinerary when parray is the most busted hammer in the game

Cinerary is like... one of the hades boons of all time

[fleet kite]

Parray doesn’t trigger cin

[hollow stag]

Got Lv 9 Hera Attack vis JPom, but I got Cinerary

[mystic mango]

No it doesn’t

[frank siren]

Yes it doesnt

👀

[mystic mango]

It doesn’t count as spending magick

Unlike mirrored thrasher which actually spends magick

[frank siren]

Lol yeah I stand corrected

[mystic mango]

It’s “lose 25 magick”

[frank siren]

But dont trust me, I dont play skulls

[mystic mango]

It counts for anything that is “when using an omega” but not anything that requires magick be spent

So doesn’t activate pike, cin circle or power surge. Also doesn’t count for hex charge

It does activate flood gain though because flood gain counts it as activating an omega rather than as spending magick

[fleet kite]

Isn’t this the same distinction that makes nyx odash funky with flood

Or was it born that the odash doesn’t work with

[left plover]

Which cast would you say is the “best”?

[raw quiver]

storm ring

zeus cast

[mystic mango]

Storm ring and Anvil ring are the highest DPS but Scorch ring is just behind them on DPS while applying a curse, which makes it better if you need it for origination. But as far as utility goes definitely Arctic, Rapture or Engagement

[left plover]

Thanks!