h2-builds-and-combat

[mystic mango]

@low bough do you know how to dash charge omega special?

[low bough]

Huh?

Lmao I see

I played charon aspect once and must have gotten the hades cast boon

[mystic mango]

Yeah lol

That’s not normally on it

You played Charon in the worst way to play Charon

[low bough]

I legit thought it was ranged cast into nuke

[mystic mango]

With a cast boon that doesn’t always go where you want it

[low bough]

It made me wonder how tf I used casts in H1

[mystic mango]

So try playing Charon again and reset and reroll if you get howling soul

[low bough]

Cuz H1 casts are all ranged

How do you reroll seed btw

[mystic mango]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1233146305308528650/1496398417646321684/119E4E1.MP4?ex=6a017820&is=6a0026a0&hm=010fa9327e9656fbe6279a54453ec5bfeecd7b2dba561ec6269daa87bd602df4&

[mystic mango]

Have you reached epilogue and gotten the incantation to where you can salute the oath of the unseen to reroll your seed?

[low bough]

Im more amazed you did this hitless

[low bough]

Not yet

[spark crown]

We still need someone to do 134f

[glacial bear]

Do the boons you get from the hammer keepsake count towards the prophecy?

[glacial bear]

Yeah we’re playing two different games

[mystic mango]

AFAIK no since you have to pick them from a menu

[magic grove]

then you need to die to reroll the seed just like h1, but you'll get the incantation eventually

[uneven palm]

Experimental Hammer blessings will fulfill the prophecy

[hollow stag]

What’s the strongest Attack for Staff hidden aspect?

Hestia, Poseidon, or Zeus?

[fleet kite]

Hestia seems to perform much better for me

[hollow stag]

Got Epic Hestia Attack on Surface Room 1. 👀

That doesn’t mean much since it’s easy to reach Scorch cap.

[uneven palm]

Any of those are great. Zeus probably has the most potential. Hera's good too but do more Omega attacks

[hollow stag]

Does Artemis do anything for Hestia builds?

[hollow stag]

By potential, do you mean with Zeus + Hera duo?

[uneven palm]

Scorch can’t crit. Fireballs and such can so Flash Fry and the like can benefit from Pressure Points

[uneven palm]

That’s one way to scale up with Zeus. Static Shock, Double Strike, Poms and rarity on Blitz are also good.

Global damage boosts too. You can get silly with Kings Ransom but you don’t need it

[warm helm]

Damage = safety

[storm bobcat]

For charon should i go for apollo cast into legendary? Or a different cast?

[thin ridge]

Any big damage cast should be fine I use tidal ring or solar ring as my mains

[storm bobcat]

I kinda always defaulted into solar cause i feel safer with the daze

Make me greed into staying inside my cast for the demeter boon

[hollow stag]

For Hestia Scorch, you want to Pom Pyro Technique the most? More than Strike or Flourish

[tranquil ore]

i cant figure out what the hell is going on here

[uneven palm]

Probably Pom pyro

[uneven palm]

The first Pom is like another 50%. Nutty.

[hollow stag]

Even with +240% Scorch speed, that still wasn’t enough because of Zeus + Hestia Duo

[hollow stag]

Is Rapid Thrasher hammer good on hidden Staff aspect?

[austere trail]

I like it a lot

it kind of takes getting used to a bit, I'm always surprised at the speed increase

[spiral wadi]

ye, it's quite good to very quickly get it out

usually with anubis i like to attack -> dash -> omega atk which usually means direction has to change from dash to omega atk, which on controller if i have too much channel speed like with rapid then sometimes i'll dash but can't change direction fast enough for oatk

it takes a bit of adjustment but just smth to be wary of

[uneven palm]

Yeah it’s way faster if you can adjust to the speedy Omega. Great Anubis hammer.

[spiral wadi]

yup

[hollow stag]

Zeus is great on Special with Hestia Attack.

Especially with their Duo.

Pyro Technique can be +1000% and it still wouldn’t be fast enough to deplete the Scorch stacks fast enough. Just spam Special after you laid out your attacks.

[ancient sparrow]

Hi All, Magenta Here ~
is there a Pet that works best with the Aspect of Circe?
I want to try it out
currently have Toula with me for the extra DD
but, get the feeling she won't be reliable for positioning

[hollow stag]

Trick Knives with Epic Blood spree.

I feel like I’m Title Cue Invincible.

[magic grove]

toula is good with circe but you need to manage her (dash at her and position well etc) raki is pretty good and gale is okay, frinos and hecuba are not good

if you want to maintain some safety go with gale, the 3 blocks per region and the added dodge chance is worth more than the dd from toula

(and you can play strength too if you want too)

[ancient sparrow]

damn it, I just invested all my treats into Toula

[magic grove]

but raki is the best cause he just spawns on top of enemies so

[ancient sparrow]

Toula at least helps me fish
which I am terrible at

[magic grove]

you'll eventually upgrade them all, as i said toula isn't bad as long as you keep dashing through her

[ancient sparrow]

I just haven't been able to beat Chronos since EA and I'm trying to do it before I break all my fingers trying to lol

helpful to know about Toula, though - thank you
got to remember to get her moving

is there an established logic for which Gods synergize best?
I usually try to go Apollo + Hestia + Hephastus

[magic grove]

depends entirely on the aspect

[ancient sparrow]

Reasonable -
let's say I'm committing to Aspect of Circe for this run

[magic grove]

a lot of casts work
hestia, zeus, demeter, aphro are pretty good
apollo, poseidon, heph work better if you get winners circle from hermes

then you get 2 curses for origination and youre good, blitz on attack or special is pretty good, hitch too

[ancient sparrow]

Aphrodite's Cast? I don't know if I've used hers much. Good to know.

[magic grove]

the best one is zeus, if you wanna go for that

[ancient sparrow]

I am getting Hera as my first God - so, oh boy.
Is there a logic of which Gods appear in a run?
I know you can only get... I think it's 3 unique ones? plus Hermes, I think

[magic grove]

4 in your pool

[magic grove]

hera special or even attack

you can always use a god keepsake to force it (i'm assuming youre not playing on fates whim)

[ancient sparrow]

I took her dash and I'm killing things by running around
which is funny

[magic grove]

well, good luck

you can look at a general idea for every weapon on the pinned post on this channel

[ancient sparrow]

oh, pulling that up

[ancient sparrow]

admittedly not the best choice - but, I've not had the best luck with Hitch
so, we'll see how bad I screw myself

Sailor Moon Kamehameha at Full Moon: might be able to do it, after all.
inb4 my favorite is actually the worst of Selene's options lol

[ancient sparrow]

Appreciate the Assist ~ !
Sorry for the vapid questions: You'd think I'd know the game better by now - but, #ope.

[bronze flax]

I... Am not very good against Rivals Chronos

[fleet kite]

Still haven’t beaten him

UW rivals is rude

[bronze flax]

It has been like... What? 4 50F runs I have had with Mel's Staff that flopped against him lol

[ancient sparrow]

I somehow got to Chronos' 2nd Phase with barely any damage
this is unprecedented

LOL
Toula got the killing blow on grandpa

[tame vector]

So i was watching videos on builds.
A short was dedicated to Cast centric builds.
For Pan it recommended: Hostile Environment.
With omega special.

And I just don't think I understand the point

I kinda get it but the benefit seems marginal

[pearl pond]

So i'm tryin to dip my toes into understanding how certain boon interactions work (as I'm actively hitting road blocks on 20 + vow lvls) -> Does Zeus infusion boon interact with Medea's boon that randomly rolls 1 - 9999 dmg when something spawns ? does it also effect Dionysus 5, 55, 555 ?

[manic shuttle]

It affects dionysus boon and the minimum becomes 50 instead of 5

Idk about the medea one tho

[alpine raft]

yup you're exactly right

thats a pretty strange build to recommend

[tame vector]

I mean it looks fun, but probably more apt for Mel or Art aspects

[alpine raft]

omega cast stuff is generally not super usable outside of charon

and hostile environment would do very little on pan

[tame vector]

Which makes me wonder: what aspect most prefers Hostile Environment?

Probably Circe i guess

[alpine raft]

its a pretty terrible boon so ive not tested it much, but perhaps momus

[tame vector]

Momus would not replicate the benefits of the duo i think

[pearl pond]

Okay i just cleared my 1st 24 vow run with persephone skull & pom keepsake...... good lord not having to worry about lvls is so nice lmao

[fleet kite]

Yep pom is lovely

[tame vector]

It feels dirty.
Internally I'm gonna treat pom and pomless as different categories for my high fear cleara

...well i guess 40F is considered midFear rather

Poms vs Rolls

[storm bobcat]

Does axe omega attack get effected by attack speed?

And if it does how so? Does it end faster or does it have more attacks?

[viral yew]

No

[storm bobcat]

What a shame and here i thought i could play thanatos ares spin to win

[wild drift]

Channel speed can be faster depending on what

[manic shuttle]

Channel/attack speed doesn't affect whirlwind duration or hit rate. Channel speed only helps you channel the omegas faster

[tame vector]

With the full power of rerolls and Ephyra at my disposal, what would be a spicy build for Pan?

Wave Special
Arterial spray
Solder Ring
Scalding Vapor
?

[manic shuttle]

Wave special is not that good. Trick Knives with hera or Apollo special is the best. Aphro, zeus, hestia are good too

[viral yew]

Trick knives

[pearl pond]

Spicy build? Maybe Ares & Apollo ?

[wild drift]

Slow Cooker with Rude Awakening and Chain Reaction if possible

Is actually spicy too lol

[tame vector]

Nasty delicious proposals here

[tame vector]

Sadly hammers cannot be rerolled

[lyric summit]

TK + RK. Zeus Atk, Hera Special Hed Bane, and that’s your run 😄

There was a time in EA when Poseidon Special was pretty good for Pan

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1237928393081880687/1503333803286990858/Hades_II_2024-11-19_23-55-45.mov?ex=6a02f835&is=6a01a6b5&hm=dc0906631d81cb19a82b7b612ac6d276d38b882fc4ac0debdc56d7f2e7a17913&

[tame vector]

I don't like relying on Trick because they basically are a whole different weapon

[tranquil ore]

what recovery boons are good for charon axe, i feel like if i dont get apollos or heras im kinda cooked

[lyric summit]

Gains?

Apollo’s the best, Hera is only fine if you have a lot of magick.
Poseidon can be fine too but there’ll be instances where you’ll be waiting a few seconds

These days I think Grisly can be good too

[tame vector]

Ionic and Tranquil are decent if you don't mind the dancing

[surreal hazel]

grisly scales hard with the number of hits you're outputting and charon is kinda bad at that

[tame vector]

Actually, how is Grisly not strictly better than Cardio?

[magic grove]

most of the time i think it is

[tame vector]

Sure Ionic is kinda worse than Tranquil, but Grisly offers extra benefits

I feel Ionic could have been explored a bit more

Like, picking it up made lightning strikes for example

[glossy jetty]

I feel like grisly requires more micromanagement

If I was making a more omega heavy build I'd just pick up cardio and not have to worry about picking up plasma whenever I bottom out

[wild drift]

Well yeah but some omega heavy builds don't actually want to use the normal attack and special

Like Charon

[lyric summit]

Oh true true

[surreal hazel]

having to pick stuff up I guess?

[lyric summit]

If in doubt just go for Apollo

[surreal hazel]

Cardio is extremely convenient

[surreal hazel]

grisly procs on omega hits, cardio doesn't

so I'd say Cardio shines on the torches since you're always mixing omegas and regulars

Also Hel

[zenith olive]

is there a way to turn on controller aimbot on keyboard?

[tranquil ore]

im stuck between choosing hera or ares for charon axe

i feel like hitch is probably better to go with

[viral yew]

No

[zenith olive]

sad!

[uneven palm]

Both are good. Hitch good, Grievous Blow good

[broken lichen]

Is there a consensus on which aspect is the worst/hardest to use on high fear?

[wild drift]

Supay, Charon, and Thanatos

The only ones remaining that haven't cleared 67 fear

Also Shiva, though it technically has a 67 clear in a previous patch when Gigaros Dash was stronger and carried it (according to the clearer)

[uneven palm]

I mean that's max fear. For what most people call "high fear" (32?) anything is more than capable

[viral yew]

Depends on who you ask

[tranquil ore]

but im guessing if it cant clear max fear its not as good as ones that can

but less noticeable

[wild drift]

Yeah I just decided to use that to make it short, though I'd say even at 62 many people would say Supay Charon Thanatos and Shiva are harder to clear with than others

And I also just hate Thanatos and Shiva

[flint widget]

i mean charon is one of the best aspects to speedrun with, just cuz its bad on high fear doesnt mean its totally dookie

[tranquil ore]

the original question was about which aspects were worst for high fear runs though

[flint widget]

oh

https://giphy.com/gifs/meme-slander-we-cant-even-read-O6BGGuHVdmGNS4pcps

[spark grail]

This might be a skill issue

But I really struggle with hel cause it has a lot of animation locks

But that question is more so subjective but objectively it’s prob one of the sister blades that isn’t moriggan

[flint widget]

but trick knives exists

basically making runs almost free so as long as u arent bad

[spark grail]

Yeah trick knives does exist my fault

I really wouldn’t know the answer to that question then, none of the weapons are strictly just always terrible

[flint widget]

in my humble opinion

axe

cuz its slow af

[spark grail]

Just Melspect?

Or in general

[flint widget]

in general, except nergal my goat

[spark grail]

Yeah nergal is nutty

Psychic WW nergal is deadass one of the freest wins ever

[spark grail]

I agree besides Thanatos, it relatively fixes the speed problem and does a lot of damage

[flint widget]

on high fear tho? lowk does dookie dmg without zeus or psychic

[lyric summit]

Without psychic I’d say it’s still better than Than at 62ish

Seething, Iron Core or Dashing work super well with a decent Atk boon

[bronze flax]

For some reason I really mess up the timing of Nergal and I end up making a really slow Attack instead of Dash > Omega Attack with Nergal

How have I even gotten 50F wins with that bad hand coordination?

[tranquil ore]

if im going for speed should i be jpomming or using god keepsakes

[spiral wadi]

both good, jpom is more gambly but if ur using weps like skulls or charon where u already have giga dps, jpom doesn't really matter in any fear

otherwise for stuff like coat where ur (usually) aiming for poseidon splash atk, jpom gives giga boost

[tranquil ore]

now i gotta figure out which god i wanna guarantee if i dont need jpom 😭

apollo is probably a safe bet for charon

[magic grove]

yes

i've not speedrun with charon but i think the play is apollo keepsake into gain c1

highly recommend watching speedruns on src to get an overall idea

[tranquil ore]

thats a good idea

ive decided to actually get a bit more serious about it because ive been grinding time but not super hard

[magic grove]

my experience speedrunning is that decision making is really important and you'll get better at it with more experience

[tranquil ore]

my pb at the moment is 6:54 uw

[magic grove]

also, you should join speedcord at some point

[tranquil ore]

im in that server and forgot it existed. thank u for the reminder

[zenith olive]

does crit chance on attack also give crit chance on attack boon dmg like zeus shock?

[spiral wadi]

u can check out the discord for the speedcord in the pins of #self-promotion, community's lit and u can find a good amount of resources there

oh wait i can't read LOL

[spiral wadi]

ye

wait

crit attack like the artemis one?

if so then nope

[flint widget]

https://tenor.com/view/jjk-memes-jujutsu-kaisen-jujutsu-kaisen-meme-jujutsu-kaisen-season-3-yuta-jjk-gif-7576830720291615984

[zenith olive]

i hate chronos so much

got to him for the first time using strengh

but even with a very good build and around 300hp and what felt like decent gameplay (not taking a lot of hits)

i was suddenly dead

[pearl pond]

are you having more trouble with 1st , 2nd stage? or is this rivals version of chronos?

[zenith olive]

Both second and third phase are real tough

Rivals version on 55f

[pearl pond]

ah.... that would do it

i have not yet done that high fear / haven't been able to even beat rivals chronos myself (gotten to him many times, but I get blown up)

it's oddly the fact that his minions turn into bombs when they die that is what's killin me on 1st phase

cause i just room clear on accident & they all go KABOOM

[uneven palm]

Yeah the goons are a real problem. Deep Dissent helps a lot, and also nixes the miniboss summon and the clone Chronos in the final phase

[brave harbor]

what does "damaging effects from olympians" actually entail?

[broken spoke]

Thing like blitz, scorch etc

A lot of thing are olympians dmg

[vernal quiver]

In a general sense its most damage numbers that are a different color than white

[brave harbor]

got it okay

mainly i was wondering if % increases to attack/special were factored but that does not seem to be the case

[fickle crag]

I'm In the mood for some not sugarcoating today, is there a build that involves crit?

[broken spoke]

That is called taking antler

Crit is dmg multiplier, dmg is good

[glossy jetty]

grisly gain blinding rush and arctic ring on than axe rn PRAY for me

i will get exceptional talent i will get sanguinary favor i will get weed killer i will reduce typhon to a red smear on the side of the mountain

nevermind i died to a satyr in olympus cause i was on pain 3 with no attack boon

[vernal quiver]

Take ares for grievous, take raki, take antler r4

Grievous and antler crits stack btw

If you wanna be extra hope for cherished heirloom so antler becomes 50%

[hollow stag]

Does Blitz benefit from Arc Flash if Poseidon Splash damage does over 120?

[uneven palm]

If an Omega move hits before the 120 damage threshold, that should trigger Arc Flash. So if it’s an Omega with a huge wave on it, the Omega should hit first

[opaque granite]

Wouldn’t success rate also be good?

[viral yew]

Doesnt affect antler

iirc

[mystic mango]

It does

Every crit other than raki is affected by success rate

[viral yew]

There you go

[mystic mango]

Success rate does require you have a chance-based boon, not including ones that are dodge or daze based, to make it even possible for it to appear from Hermes

So stuff like froth, sea star, ares, or any Artemis boon

[opaque granite]

Even easy shot?

[mystic mango]

We don’t talk about the Artemis boons that aren’t crit-based lol

So no

[opaque granite]

Ah Alr, mb.

[mystic mango]

If I’m correct the omega move hits before the Poseidon splash. But I think the way it functions is that you get the damage bonus or arc flash so long as the omega damage happens during the start of the blitz activation animation

[fleet kite]

Epic success rate and ch antler is 75% crit

I saw that one time but was too chicken to take it r4

[broken spoke]

Everything just melt when you have 75% crit

[fleet kite]

I assume attack speed on anubis only affects the animation that drops the field, not anything else

Anyone know if that’s correct?

[manic shuttle]

Yep

[mystic mango]

Yeah if it increased the damage rate of the fields on the ground that would be super broken

[fleet kite]

I can dream

[alpine raft]

but increased attack speed is still pretty nice

[gritty widget]

not as broken as heroic lv what is that number storm ring on circe tho

[wild drift]

Heroic Lv4 Storm Ring is 55 damage per 0.35 seconds

I always wondered, does that actually mean 3 times per second or does it actually mean every 0.35 seconds

So does it tick 8 times or 9 times in 3 seconds

Easily testable with mods I'll do it later lol

Actually someone in the speedcord tested it a while ago and apparently Storm Ring ticks... 10 times???

[alpine raft]

yea

[wild drift]

So their suspicion was there's a delay between it starting up and they added a tick at the very start and very end of cast lol

So a double-stacked common Lv4 Storm Ring is actually ~267 DPS

[spiral wadi]

it's prob timed to literally be 0.35sec

idk if there's a starting delay since iirc other casts like rapture or smolder don't have that

[fleet kite]

8 + start and end ticks makes sense

[lyric grove]

hi all, I am a casual player of hades II and I was wanting some fun builds to give me some variety. the build I almost always use is a Thanatos axe with flutter strike, and a Deméter cast. this basically allows me to freeze foes in place and rip em to shreds with a omega attack. this seems to work pretty well for me and I’ve beat chronos and typhon multiple times

but yea this build is getting a little old so does anyone have some suggestions for some fun builds?

[viral yew]

Check the pins

[glossy jetty]

I personally love making flat damage builds. Start with Mel / Moros torches and just start stacking a bunch of whatever you can. Hestia, posiedon, Zeus all good on attack. Arc flash, slippery slope, pyro technique all bump it to 12. Zeus has static shock and air quality, posiedon has ocean swell, hera has fine line, Ares has cut above and grisly gain, etcetcetc. Once you start seeing it you can NEVER stop seeing it

[pearl pond]

Kinda curious what do people like on aspect of pan?

[wild drift]

Trick Knives

[viral yew]

Trick knives

[pearl pond]

Really? why?

[viral yew]

Casue pan is buns otherwise

[pearl pond]

huh weird. pan is the knives aspect i enjoy the most especially if I get reaper knives

[wild drift]

I've only played Pan without TK once because I'm a professional resetter

It was pretty ok tbh lol

[pearl pond]

also i'm kinda curious about something since i've been playing around with dif god boons. Is it better to go aphro / apollo for more dmg? or is it better to go for ares due to wounds counting towards the curse effects

or does that depend on the weapon i'm assuming

[viral yew]

Fully depends

Aphro and ares are more like substitutes, they're not the best on anything (except ares medea) but they work instead of the best options

[pearl pond]

Oh! that's interesting to think about !

never thought about them like that

[viral yew]

With jpom making everything viable, you never really have to worry about who you'll get

[wild drift]

Hera is the best % god in like 90% of cases tbh

[tame vector]

I'm planning a build for Pan (40F) and I'm wondering whether it's worth it to not use Denial to make sure i get what i want, but the difficulty might bite me in the rear.

[broken spoke]

Well if not using denial mean you need to take real fear

[tame vector]

Yeah but I'm kinda bad lmao

Ah well, gonna try with either denial or rivals4

[pearl pond]

Honestly if you get the right set up i'd say rivals 4

[tame vector]

I really dislike the final phase

Which i still believe is a reference to Bayonetta

[pearl pond]

fair enough!

and how so?

[tame vector]

It's a spoiler

||testing||

||the final boss regularly turns Bayo into her child self||

[pearl pond]

Oh that.... I didn't know which way you were going (surface vs underworld)

thought you meant underworld

yeah no final rivals 4 surface just is a sucky experience

[fleet kite]

It’s so much better than UW lol

[tame vector]

How so?

[pearl pond]

eh.... not by much (but then again I despise surface runs due to last 2 zones & their bosses)

[fleet kite]

Dunno, I failed at rivals chronos like 4 times before I got a win

VS beating rivals typhon my first attempt blind

[pearl pond]

also is there EVER a reason you want to take Fig Leaf Keepsake?

[fleet kite]

2 or 3 free rooms isn’t a terrible option for speed runs

[broken spoke]

Mainly speedrun, or time issue

[viral yew]

Speedruns, or some high fear surface runs

[tame vector]

Basically, I'm bent on doing a swords Pan run

[surreal hazel]

Strange bedfellows

what's the idea, dancing cut above?

[flint widget]

speedruns or if ur timer is lowk kinda ass

[tame vector]

I don't plan for hammers, on account of them not being rerollable and not liking to undo nights unless i messed up big time.

The idea is Sword Ring, Profuse bleeding and grisly gain plus coffin nail and cutting edge.

If there's room for it, cut above

And savor

[surreal hazel]

Cut above seems to be the actual aspect specific method?

I guess sword ring and lance is a way to go

but you've now specified a fixed set of 4 gods

[surreal hazel]

that reminds me, I found out how swords do and don't stack damage if you're interested

[tame vector]

Only three 🔪 🌞 🔨

[surreal hazel]

zeus for lance

[tame vector]

I didn't say Lance, but it would be the cherry on top for sure

[surreal hazel]

ah, I was commenting on what I was adding to it

[tame vector]

Oh lmao sorry

Adhd brain

But yea i was planning on zeus as forth, fates willing.
Although sadly no room for heinous affront

[surreal hazel]

As in, too many boons to chase to get that online too?

Ah wait, yeah, if you're already after blade ring and grisly then you don't want to give ares a third core

[tame vector]

I have no way of meeting the HA requirements if i meet the others

Yup

[surreal hazel]

wait

I'm being an idiot, take Hestia

Flame strike/flourish work nice on pan and she gives you glowing coal and thus Fourth Degree is on the table

controlled burn would proc a lot with Pan too

[tame vector]

Vow of Hubris is about to make itself be addressed lmaooo

Yea i agree.
Scorched Earth

....wait that would have been a banger duo name

[surreal hazel]

hah

But yeah, you're taking the whole fire quadrant

[tame vector]

Hopefully also Rallying Cry

[surreal hazel]

which gives you the potential to get a nice slow cooker online with pan, which is always great

[tame vector]

... Vow of Denial is going to kick me

[surreal hazel]

Right between the legs, yes

Rallying Cry with denial on is tricky without Demeter in the mix, but maybe?

especially as you're locking yourself into a blast core from Heph

[tame vector]

With Heph and Hermes it's possible

[surreal hazel]

and all blast and blast-modifying boons are fire

[tame vector]

And maybe Artemis

[tame vector]

Oh i didn't know

[surreal hazel]

yeah, that's his theme

[tame vector]

Makes sense

[surreal hazel]

if it's blasty or molten touch, it's fire, all defense is earth

Apollo is air for all things that make things bigger, fire for daze related things

Demeter's is water for everything freezing or chilling, earth for the rest, and aphrodite and hera have no rules

[tame vector]

I looooove those themes

I can make a fanfic about Hera's elements

[surreal hazel]

Hermes boons aren't even evenly split

[tame vector]

Ikr , he didn't even have water until last patches with Success Rate

[surreal hazel]

and when I think of getting extra shop items, I think of... fire?

[tame vector]

And no 🌊 🔥 god 😢

[tame vector]

Fire Sales

[surreal hazel]

Athena is all fire, dio is all water

Artemis has to split the difference and be both

[tame vector]

No god is both

[surreal hazel]

if the gods were all given equal precedence, you'd imagine hermes to be all air and artemis all earth

but hermes is always present, so he needs to be tetra

[tame vector]

I kinda buy it for Hermes, being so plurivalent

But yeah, mechanics over flavour, understandable

[surreal hazel]

Hera actually does have an even split of elements, and has the oddity that her Legendary gives Aether

(Kind of a holdover from when that legendary was a duo in EA)

(But I like it)

[tame vector]

It doesn't give aether I think

[surreal hazel]

it does

[tame vector]

What?? Nice

[surreal hazel]

and then one of all of the others too

kinda has to, otherwise it would give more of one element than the others and that would feel weird on that boon specifically

[tame vector]

True.
But it's so perfect.
I'm angry i didn't notice

[surreal hazel]

Aether is such a goodbad element

it's honestly next to useless on the surface

[tame vector]

I was THE complainer in chief of the lack of Aether support and even made up arcana for elements with HERA SPECIFICALLY FOR AETHER BECAUSE SHE IS THE STAR MAKER

[surreal hazel]

But when it pops off on Chant.... wow

[tame vector]

Yeah, off Embryo. Never Chaos lol

[surreal hazel]

well yeah, there's a systemic problem there

Chaos only appears in the first two zones of the underworld and you need to have aether by then to even get them to offer it

[tame vector]

I think it's just a flavour vestige leftover for fun

I do miss elementary particles, the name was so cool

[surreal hazel]

Was so funny

easy enough to get that you could sell it

and then get it again

(selling All Together does not remove the infusions it granted)

(So it's totes legit to king's ransom it, if that somehow happens)

[tame vector]

That's at least 4 hera boons turned over

[surreal hazel]

+80 power on my storm ring strikes you say?

+240 blitz damage on heaven strike you say?

[tame vector]

I said it as a positive

[tame vector]

Plus whatever the infusions may grant

[surreal hazel]

polarises your build a little bit

[surreal hazel]

Only rallying cry would benefit blitz, and ehhhh, Hera alone can't support that

but hey, if Ares and heph here there anyway, sure

What's funny with king's ransom is how it interacts with double strike in particular

[tame vector]

Welp, time to bring back my obsession:
Elements could have used more support

Though, funny enough, Dream Dives do enhance elements

[surreal hazel]

Sort of, there's no resource gathering elements, but that's only max of one of each per run

and there's just fewer boons usually

[surreal hazel]

But yeah, here, ransom directly adding power to your lightning strikes and massively increasing the chances of any of it to double strike is a ridiculous double-dip

[surreal hazel]

going back to the Sword pan idea: Minor issue for you, Cut above has a pretty strict projectile cap which might make throwing fans of daggers a bit eh.

[tame vector]

Well the idea really is to trigger swords from picking plasma created by Grisly

Which is probably greedy

[surreal hazel]

By attacking really rapidly to spawn loads? I get it

Profuse has a projectile cap of 4 btw

Also try not to pick up multiple drops at exactly the same time

(Sword drops give the victim a very brief damage immunity to swords of that same type)

[tame vector]

I hope the dead time isn't critical

[surreal hazel]

0.1 seconds, so really not much

but cutting edge dupes are considered as well so factor that in I guess?

All sword drops have this immunity, but only to other swords made by the same boon

[tame vector]

Honestly i don't care.
I get to solve the problem by throwing swords at it

[surreal hazel]

(Basically means if you sword ring three really close together enemies, their sword hitcircles overlap each other, but they still only get hit once each)

but if a new enemy steps in and gets a sword, that can suddenly damage enemies that were hit once already by that same cast

[tame vector]

I'll account for that

[surreal hazel]

profuse bleeding also has a projectile limit of 4 so coffin nail will really help you there

cut above has a limit of 3

[tame vector]

Perfect perfect. I'll try to get the Sword trinity

[tame vector]

If one were to dedicate a build to Hephaestus A CLANG A CLANG A CLANG,
which of the four supporting gods would be the least essential?

[viral yew]

ares, hera, zeus, dem

[manic shuttle]

Hestia duo is the best, Apollo is very good, Aphro, Dem, Pos duos are good too. Other gods are unnecessary

But actually Grand Caldera and some global damage boosts like furnace blast, sweet surrender,.. are enough to carry a blast run without any of the duos

[mystic mango]

Yeah grand caldera with jeweled pom is already an extra 165 base power and stacking stuff like snuffed candle, sweet surrender, and shameless attitude will get you really far

Personal recommendation for an all-in blast build would be hestia cast, apollo rush, and aphro gain for good duos with easy curses to apply for origination

Love handles is honestly pretty underrated since it effectively adds 160 power to every blast and can be used separately from the blast so it doesn't end up overkilling and being wasted

And you could potentially roll for sunny disposition if you don't get lucky with finding shameless attitude and sweet surrender early on

[tame vector]

Interesting, i didn't consider the heart throbs

[surreal hazel]

Which clang? Blaster or Anvil?

ah, blasting, then yeah

the Sunny Handles setup is extremely niche but does carry runs

sadly you still need to get heartbreaker specifically to get sunny D

[tame vector]

Now I'm curious about what you have in mind for Anvil

[surreal hazel]

Well, it's more that the OG Clang Gang was the OG winner's circle and anvil ring

There's not a lot you can do with it other than using Supernova, winner's circle and aspect of circe, but the base damage is bonkers out of the gate

It'd be considered better than storm ring if not for the fact that storm ring handles wards better and has actual support boons

but going back to blasting.... I'd say that Demeter/Heph's duo is probably the most underwhelming

It looks great and it does help, but it only procs on actual freeze state and Rallying Cry is strictly better

or Extended Family, which also makes a mockery of killer current

Wait anvil ring is olympian damage now, so yeah, Rallying Cry and extended family I guess?

[manic shuttle]

Yea but rallying cry can be so rarely activated

I think my blast duos order is hestia > apollo > aphro = pos > dem

[uneven palm]

Others have mentioned that free rooms are good, but also you can take it off and keep the perk

[tame vector]

Wait wait they made anvil Olympian??

Makes sense given the numbers are bronze

If anything it's weird it wasn't before

[surreal hazel]

Yeah, there was an update that changed all cast boons to do olympain damage. might even have been 1.0

[tame vector]

Lmao and o probably knew and then forgor during my hiatus

My head be forgetty

[smoky current]

Hey

Let's ask for advice

My next Gravest Thirst is on the sister blade

The first boon is an epic Special

Should I go Melinoe or Morrigan?

Should I take Aphroditis or Hephaestus? Or your best third choice

[uneven palm]

Take Mel with Zeus special

[smoky current]

Once again, Zeus

Look boring

Also why taking a damage buff that can't affect a curse

[mystic mango]

Damage buffs are additive

Your attack or special will still deal extra damage for backstabs

But having a % buff attack or special on top of that won’t change anything

[smoky current]

Thank

[mystic mango]

If your attack does 100 damage and you have a 50% damage buff then you get 50 extra damage

Adding on a curse that does separate damage doesn’t change that you’re still getting the 50 extra damage

Adding on a % damage attack boon still will just add to that %

[uneven palm]

Yup, the damage boost for Mel Blades backstabs is unchanging. Put whatever boon on those. Only way to up the backstab damage is +Power

[mystic mango]

It doesn’t change the base damage of the move

[smoky current]

But having Aphroditis double that power to 300

[mystic mango]

That’s not how % boons work

[smoky current]

Having Zeus give an extra 100 only make 250

[mystic mango]

If aphro gives you 100% bonus damage that’s only additive

[smoky current]

Wait what

F

[uneven palm]

All relevant percentage boosts are additive with each other

[mystic mango]

All % bonuses are additive not multiplicative

[viral yew]

It's like flat mult instead of x mult

[mystic mango]

If I have 50% from origination and 100% from Aphrodite that only gives me 150%

[viral yew]

That's what helps me remember it anyway

[mystic mango]

So if my move deals 20 damage I’m now doing 50 damage

But if I take Poseidon instead and get an extra 20 base damage on the move

Now I’m doing 40 base damage which then becomes 60 damage after the 50% from origination

[smoky current]

So Zeus give the same reward in practice to the close combat specialist

While having the ranged option

Zeus is so busted

[mystic mango]

Generally blitz is best to have on a secondary move you’re not using for your main damage

[uneven palm]

It's fine to main with rarity/poms. Blitz is very rarely bad

[viral yew]

Have you seen the copypasta?

[viral yew]

The only time I never really want zeus is on charon, and even then you can make the special work

[mystic mango]

Just usually not the best to have on blades attack just since it ends up being quite slow to pop the blitz

Unless you’re using trick knives

Then it’s great on blades attack

[uneven palm]

It's fine on attack. You either get Trick Knives, a damage cast, or static shock and now you're a Blitz factory

Or dash-strike, O attack, pop blitz

[mystic mango]

Obviously it scales more late game just saying it can be quite slow early on until you have extra damage on the side to deal with blitz

I’d rather just loop in a blitz special with my normal attacks personally

Since you can special mid-combo

Then you can have something that deals more damage on your attack

[smoky current]

Once I did a Morrigan x Hephaestus

That was fun

Big number go brrrr

But since then, I've activated Rival 4 and have not see the end since 😭

So, your ultimate lay everyone

[viral yew]

If you want the easiest build for rivals, imo it's zeus cast circe

Or hitch special zeus attack mel staff

[lyric summit]

My beloved ⚡

[smoky current]

Felled to the bringer of flame 😞

[lyric summit]

Standard surface experience 💀

Which aspect were you using

[smoky current]

Melinoe

[smoky current]

I'm struggling vs everyone

Game is pretty balanced on that

Even the cute family puppy is giving me a run for my money

Tbh, I love rushing down

[lyric summit]

Gonna have to...narrow it down slightly mate 👀

[uneven palm]

They were talking blades earlier

[lyric summit]

Ahh my b

[tame vector]

Question, does a Storm Ring Circe Venn diagram double strike foes caught in both?

[manic shuttle]

Yep

[tame vector]

Delish

[abstract snow]

If I sacrifice Bridal Glow, will the heroic boon go back to epic?

[zenith olive]

well tried playing supay and its basically impossible

first room onion second room selene first efira room a thousand of zombies

i dont know if i just got super unlucky or if its mandatory to use dog

[bronze flax]

No

[abstract snow]

Thx

[zenith olive]

but like theres no way this weapon is beating efira in time

[wild drift]

People use Toula for the damage sometimes

[zenith olive]

oh interesting

sadly im playing strenght

[wild drift]

Just reset the seed until you get a Zeus/Hera/Hestia/Poseidon first boon tbh lol

[zenith olive]

well i cant even get to my first boon essentially

its always onion something stupid then efira where waves are too long already

[lyric summit]

What fear are you doing? 👀

[zenith olive]

55 surface

[lyric summit]

Oh yikes

Soup struggles a lot in v high fear 😭

Especially under forfeit

[zenith olive]

at least im learning what weapons to completely stop using

[wild drift]

Also Gigaros Dash helps a lot

[magic grove]

https://tenor.com/view/cute-adorable-duckling-haha-classic-gif-17283485

i love doing fun runs on surface but when i crank the fear i absolutely hate it

thessaly is a ragebait region

[flint widget]

at least thessaly guarantees u with at least a single skip

olympus on the other hand has the possibility of giving u absolutely no skips

[wild drift]

Yesterday I got midshop into Circe and I didn't even know that was possible because it's so rare 💀

[flint widget]

an iq that exists

[magic grove]

thessaly has midshops?

i know it does

[flint widget]

surface has midshops?

wtf first time ive heard of this

[zenith olive]

i need to learn to play the game without cranking the difficulty to my limit

[magic grove]

yeah i get that one of the best ways of learning is just playing more and getting used to things

[zenith olive]

i also need to get a save from just before chronos to actually practice him

i probably could reset dream dives until I get a area 1 chronos and duplicate a savefile to practice there

[magic grove]

yeah just keep in mind r1 chronos on dream dives is nerfed

[zenith olive]

is it nerfed too hard?

compared to how much weaker you get to him

[spiral wadi]

i think it makes him an appropriate r1 boss

[flint widget]

62f dream dive tart start when?

[spiral wadi]

i thought omen got one

but it's prob gonna forever be morrigan only privilege if that

denial means u want hammer start cuz u can't afford to take miniboss rooms (assuming u get onion start) since they increment enemy hordes further

or really any side rooms Iolol

unarmored cloaked satyr rooms also take literally forever cuz they're capped to 2 at a time in an encounter where there's like 10 of them so ur running around boonless chipping away at a 1 minute encounter

i remember i had a run where there was that specific encounter twice in a row

rchronos also taking forever

in my essay i will explain why tart midboss should progress express route instead of being optional side room

[fleet kite]

Tart start feels like it should be illegal

[tame vector]

I need to recompile my brain when it comes to Ephyra with Fates rerroll

If I don't finish it with either a legendary, a carrying duo or a core build, i will fall off in Thessaly

Good players don't care.
I'm not a good player
(Fear40)

Spending dice to roll doors as nauseam is soul crushing

[flint widget]

wdym ur not a good player, u beat 40f

thats like higher than like what 99% of the playerbase?

[proper cloak]

Anything past 32 is so difficult the game doesn't ask it of you

Even in the bonus challenges

[mystic mango]

If all you do is look at the people better than you you’re gonna forget that you’re a player who can probably consistently clear a level of difficulty that 99%+ of players struggle with

[proper cloak]

I would say if you can do 20 fear you're a pretty good player, and 40 is WAY harder than that

[mystic mango]

I mean the rarest achievement in the game is about a 4% completion rate and that’s great chaos below which is anywhere from difficult to baby easy depending on how lucky you are

But 40 fear is a reasonable step up that most people never even bother to try

40 fear is above where the game stops holding your hand and giving you free clears unless you’re already good at the mechanics and fights

[tame vector]

Sorry i didn't mean to sound self deprecating

[tame vector]

TBF i was watching people on 62F, which I'll never dare try thanks i don't need more stress.
It is however hypnotic to see them bob and weave around and avoid damage in such a tight deadline

My problem is that i don't dodge properly lol

Anyway, my specific troubles were I'm trying for summit runs with a build focusing on falling swords with Pan.
It's not easy for me to get the build right

Rerolling is an art

[storm bobcat]

If you keep playing and raising the heat you will eventually find yourself getting used to enemy movements and attacks to avoid them its the fun part about raising the heat adapting is fun

[tame vector]

Yepyepyep

[storm bobcat]

Wait whats the idea exactly?

[tame vector]

Thessaly in particular I'm still grooving into

[tame vector]

Current plan is to exit Ephyra with a strong sword duo or with Sanguinary.

Misbegotten, because the legendary isn't self sufficient for swords

The exact problem is that i can finish Ephyra strong, but Thessaly beats me into tomorrow

To be fair, I'm finding so many different problems each attempt, a lot of lessons quickly learned haha

High fear is a whole new game

[tame vector]

So, theory time again.
I'm thinking about not going for swords ring for the swords build, and have it instead rely on Cut Above and Profuse Bleeding.

Makes more sense in hindsight lol.
Will try tomorrow.

[granite sierra]

frenzy 2 is always perfectly fair and never has bs happen
https://medal.tv/games/hades-ii/clips/mHgQ7eTw7mV9k-0YX?invite=cr-MSxlTzIsMjA4ODQ5MzQ5&v=15

[tame vector]

That's a jumpscare

🐠🐠🐠🐠🐠🐠

[granite sierra]

had me shiverin in me timbers for sure

[fleet kite]

The fish raid, we’ve all been there

I instinctively cast as soon as I spawn in Oceanus rooms for this reason alone

[glossy jetty]

One time I got the chaos curse that stuns whenever you take damage, and I loaded into Scylla. The desperation phase put the fear of God in me

Never underestimate the fish

[spiral wadi]

surely f10 so this issue that's been happening since forever ago will get fixed

[granite sierra]

they still havent fixed that problem where waterspouts are in the rivals sirens fight so i dont have high hopes

[turbid karma]

that’s brilliant

i get a chuckle out of watching that every time it happens, but it is really quite egregious

[granite sierra]

could be worse, i have another clip where i got stunlocked by a root stalker in fields and went from full to no health in about two seconds

https://medal.tv/games/hades-ii/clips/mHjJVQcvb3EZf0bvS?invite=cr-MSw0cTQsMjA4ODQ5MzQ5&v=15

[turbid karma]

yeesh

[viral yew]

What issue?

[spiral wadi]

speaking of waterspouts

i feel like their hitstun is scaling for some reason in dream dives

[fleet kite]

that sounds awful

[viral yew]

This is why we don't take selene keepsake

[spiral wadi]

nah selene keepsake can be fun

[fleet kite]

This is why we hate brush stalker or whatever that turret thing is

Why does it get to turn faster than Eris

[spiral wadi]

return to early access eris with aimbot

[granite sierra]

i despise the waterspouts that activate when you get close to roxy in the rivals fight, those are the sole reason it's my least favorite boss

[fleet kite]

Okay you despise them but that doesn’t make them a bugfix issue

[viral yew]

There's a blind stot there you can stand in, and the hitstun isn't all that bad

[gritty widget]

idk if yall saw my run in vic boasting or not dem’s % heal on collecting resource is crazy broken with rarity x jpom x ludicrous amounts of hp
Made enemy dmg obsolete

[long musk]

I just managed 230,078 Omega Special damage on an Underworld run with Mel's Axe

[bronze flax]

Good news, I stopped flopping against Chronos at 50F with Mel's Staff
Bad news, I started floppiing in Olympus at 50F with Mel's Staff

So, Harpies and Automatons are a menace

[bronze flax]

That's certainly a non sequitur

[uneven palm]

Welcome to running high fear surface. It's a nightmare. We have a support group that meets at the taverna

[warm falcon]

hey guys idk where to ask this but im confused on one of the arcanas the queen, i have two aranacas of the same grasp amount but its still wont activate for some reason.. at this point im thinking my game is broken could anyone tell me if im doing something wrong

[broken spoke]

The condition is no more than 2 arcana with same grasp

[viral yew]

Could you link an image of your arcana?

[uneven palm]

yeah if you've got like 3 1s active, it deactivates

[warm falcon]

Uh i cant send a pic but i have two cards active the ones with the 3 grasps

Do i have to have each of the arcanas active like i have more than 4 1s active is that why?

[viral yew]

You can't have more than 2 of any cost

[warm falcon]

Ooh i see thank u the awaking description was confusing i thought it wouldn't mind that😭

Also the divinity arcana i read that as long as u have 1,2,3,4 and 5 arcanas active it should activate? Is that true? I tried it but it didn't work for me

[broken spoke]

That is centaur requirements

Divinity is whole row or column

[viral yew]

You need a row or column for div, centaur is 1-5

[warm falcon]

Okayy thanks yall 🩷

[hollow stag]

Hitch is so strong, why is that curse free on Hera's Attacks and Specials instead of an additional boon like Dazzling Display?

[fleet kite]

Being the queen has perks

[viral yew]

Well she's supposed to have lower %damage but in practice it makes no difference

[hollow stag]

Apply one additional curse for +50% more damage

[hollow stag]

She's the blasted queen

[fleet kite]

Anyway realistically dazzling display makes sense bc Apollo strike/special do already have a secondary effect

[tame vector]

The bigness really compensates for the non-curse

Ok, I've tried running Excellence instead of Origination for the sake of having an easier time getting Sanguinary Savor, but in truth it's just an advantage I never really see until I meet the requie, most often in biome 2 (Thessaly) where I'm currently stuck it.

My rationale was that swords build would not necessarily achieve double curse so it's worth it

And I'm like, that's a lie. Stop lying to yourself Cinnabar

[fleet kite]

Just force gigaros start

Now you have an extra curse

[viral yew]

Just take off boatman and run chrolex instead

[tame vector]

I want to go rerrolls, i treat it as a different game mode

[tame vector]

I believe only Olympian curses apply to Origination

[fleet kite]

Probably true, I just want to believe

[vernal quiver]

Just a wrong rational tbh

Ares has wounds and you have 3 other gods to get curses from

You're dropping 50% global damage for super mediocre chances at rarity which wont make a substantial difference

Origination genuinley is active as soon as chamber 2 sometimes and is a must prock you aim for asap

If you wanna fish for certain boons and setups just do rerolls but orig should never be taken off unless youre trolling with like toula only

[fleet kite]

I’m still bewildered by H2’s version of priv status being actually good

[vernal quiver]

Also considering its blades and blades wants duos bad with apollo/dem/heph which 2 of them have super easy access strong curses(demeter has 2 actually)

[vernal quiver]

Priv was single handedly the best mirror perk 😭

[fleet kite]

Priv hater ✋

[vernal quiver]

Bad player ✋️

[wild drift]

Nah I feel like Family Favorites was recommended over it most of the time

[vernal quiver]

(I kid I kid)

[fleet kite]

Dang don’t roast yourself like that

[vernal quiver]

My heat pb was only 45 anyway lol

Wasn't that good at h1, did get a hell mode ff clear tho

[tame vector]

Oh absolutely you clocked my brain not working properly.
I was experimenting.
Well, experiment is over, results are in: Origination stays on

[fleet kite]

The origination stays ON during play

[vernal quiver]

Was it? Ik curses weren't as accessible in h1 considering most were tier2 tied but I cant imagine a global ~20 being better than a global 40

[wild drift]

Wasn't all that into H1 either highest heat was 40 but I swear most guides I saw said Priv Status is only for super specific builds because of how curses are

Weak Chill Hangover Doom the only curses that were directly attached to the attack/special boons and Weak was the only one directly attached to a cast

[vernal quiver]

Ig yeah, merciful end does go dummy though

Or athena + anything and her backstab was kinda an auto take unless dd stuff was there

[fleet kite]

Main thing is even builds that have two curses don’t usually have 100% uptime of two at once

So 25 always on FF vs 40 conditional PS

[vernal quiver]

Colors of fang vs fleece ig

[spark crown]

..... i found out why i hate medea

my fps was too low

it so much easyer on a bigger screen with a higher fps

welp time to do a medea run

https://imgur.com/Kvt0TtY

i take p array here correct

(i took it)

[viral yew]

Always

[flint widget]

depends on god pool tbh

cuz if u have zero gods with a good gain parray kinda ass

meanwhile colossus is consistent but obv less damage than parray

[spark crown]

First so XD

No clue the pool

[flint widget]

just keepsake in second region if u have no gain or ass gain tbh

[spark crown]

https://imgur.com/AUkCvyw

........................................ gods damn it

[vale shard]

[spark crown]

yeah i cant even reroll normal T-T

https://imgur.com/kYyb9n3

bruh APHRODITE COULDNT YOU GIVE ME STRIKE PURP

[flint widget]

broski u have special

[vale shard]

Its okay really

[spark crown]

T-T

[flint widget]

u still have ares attack which is good unless u have wards

[spark crown]

trueee

i dont im running scars 3

[flint widget]

i see a potential build of ares attack aphro special dem cast with hestia gain

[spark crown]

eyeee blue ares strike

dem rush or icequeen

[lyric summit]

❄️ 👸🏼

[spark crown]

so snow queen over orig

[lyric summit]

You can get it through other means

60F?

[spark crown]

https://imgur.com/swKl6LI

[spark crown]

ya

i take hermes here

EYEEE I GOT DEM CASTTT

..... i got hit with invisble medea again T_T

[lyric summit]

Honestly brave of you to do your first 60 with Medea

I thought you’d do Circe or smth

[spark crown]

idk if you can say first 60 when ive done 300+ runs XD

furthest i got was morrigan

getting to miniboss before promecles

is circe fine to do with wards?

[lyric summit]

With a good cast yeah it’s absolutely fine

[spark crown]

coolio

[lyric summit]

If you start Gigaros and take the Medea curse that hits all foes with damage then you essentially have no probs

[spark crown]

when was psychic leash changed to rainbow XD

[lyric summit]

Last April patch

[spark crown]

noice

[lyric summit]

Opinions have been…divisive 👀

[spark crown]

ok but divisive in a hateful way or a opinion way

https://imgur.com/aAhQIdf

[flint widget]

i see the vision

[spark crown]

SMOLDER RINGGGGG

BLINDING SPRINT

hmmm winners circle isnt good with smolder correct

[wild drift]

No Winner's Circle is good with everything now

[spark crown]

explain

[tall notch]

Wait is metal trying 60 again?

[spark crown]

yeah

ive got free time for the next 4 days

[tall notch]

They reworked winners circle and simplified how it works, now it's just a good boon regardless of cast

[spark crown]

so it speeds how often scorch applys?

noted

[tall notch]

Sounds like enough time for a clear to me

[spark crown]

yeah except this run be a reset 2/6 pylons left with 50s left XD

omg i never died in an artemis room she sounds so sad

omfg morrigan feels so good at high fps

THE DOOR HAS OPENED

[flint widget]

whats ur fps before

[spark crown]

i had a 60hz monitor with vsync on XD

sitting with a 120hz now

old = 50-60 fps new 130-250 fps XD

just need to upgrade my nearly a decade old mouse and keyboard cuz i have a little imput delay and itll be peak\

[flint widget]

boy 60 fps is not too low

💔

[spark crown]

it is when thats on potato graphics

and itd stutter

final slice demeter strike is kinda peak

[lyric summit]

Morgan Final Slice 🙏 🙏

[spark crown]

yeah

[lyric summit]

I love turning off my brain

[spark crown]

final slicee morigan demeter

[lyric summit]

Apollo feels hella disgusting with it

Attacks just filling up half of the room lmao

[spark crown]

i cant turn my game sound up cuz my escape key is broken T_T

EYYYYY VOW OF GRIT VANQUISED THIS NIGHT

would have prefered scars or pain but ill take it

[flint widget]

uh does alt tab pause the game

[spark crown]

nope

just pauses time

so no menu

and no chronos bs iirc

unless that was fixed

omg playing without grit feels good XD

me when grisly gain is best im my pool (i denialed born gain accidently T_T )

ERIS GET OUTTA THE SKY WHEN IM DOOMED

COWARD

got her 1 combo away from death when i got hit with 60 damage T_T

[tall notch]

When I have to use 60hz refresh rate my eyes get sad 🙁

[flint widget]

yall too privileged istg

[viral yew]

Any less than 240 oled makes my eyes bleed

[spark crown]

T-T

[spark crown]

sir i used a 60hz monitor FOR THE PAST 8 YEARS XD

[flint widget]

im excluding u btw im talking about the rest of u

[spark crown]

also for those 8 years i used 16gb of ram and a 1650 super XD

[flint widget]

anything less than 240 oled is bad for u is crazy

[flint widget]

bro we have near identical specs

[spark crown]

now we must imagine check with a good pc XD

bro might clear 134F

[flint widget]

i dont even play on pc bro

[spark crown]

XD

right your a rich boy with a steam deck

[flint widget]

https://giphy.com/gifs/STRAPPEDUS-speed-ishowspeed-i-show-s5wFafpHxqKbIEERl9

[spark crown]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1284908016918986906/1494022756977610822/togif-5-1.gif

[magic grove]

i sold my 165hz monitor and i'm now using a 75hz one and it feels so bad

[spark crown]

fair

[magic grove]

once you go with a high refresh hate and you go back it sucks so much

[spark crown]

75hz is hard to look at for anyone

[magic grove]

good news is that i already bought a bigger 32" 180hz one 🙂

[flint widget]

bro whos anyone

75hz looks fine

[spark crown]

75hz is stupid

go to 60 or 120 dont sit in limbo

[magic grove]

i mean between 60 and 75 i prefer 75

[spark crown]

maybe its cuz i used a 60hz for so long but 75hz justt looks wrong

Gonna take a break XD my mental isn't good rn and I don't wanna burn out

Jumping into the arm of poly and eris doesn't feel right rn XD

[tranquil ore]

should i level up anubis or morrigan first, idk which one i wanna try

[mystic mango]

Both are very good aspects but they have vastly different play styles

[uneven palm]

If you’re looking for what needs Nightmare, Morrigan. Anubis is fine level 1

[tranquil ore]

tbh i have no idea how to play anubis

[mystic mango]

https://youtu.be/FUBOtUcme6s?si=fnySKUVU3r7x46m5

Apologies for the dead air at the start of the video I had to leave it in to verify it was unseeded since I forgot to salute the oath

I would have a video of Anubis at 62 fear underworld but I choked 8 runs to Chronos

Tactic usually is to just set up a bunker with your attacks and cast then either spam omega special or pull enemies into your bunker with your normal special

[uneven palm]

Check the pinned guide too. Tells ya how to use everything

[spiral wadi]

ever think about ares cast being the last remaining cast that doesn't stack on circe

[uneven palm]

That makes me sad

[spiral wadi]

very

[wild drift]

@warm helm @hoary narwhal see I told you!!!

[spiral wadi]

lmao

[mystic mango]

It does though

I thought

[spiral wadi]

i'm like 99% sure it do not

unless it got shadow patched? but i remember playing sword ring circe on patch 2 and felt like ass

[mystic mango]

Wouldn’t be hard to confirm and I’d do it if I was at my PC

[spiral wadi]

sword*

ye if u can confirm later that works 👍

not to discredit obv, i could be very wrong about this

but i remember discussion about sword ring mechanics in speedcord and one of them was why circe sword ring didn't stack

[warm helm]

It does though?

[mystic mango]

They said it was fixed in patch 2

[warm helm]

At least from what I remember

[spiral wadi]

tf

[warm helm]

I did a 50f circus and it worked

[spiral wadi]

aight i'll boot up the game later

[mystic mango]

I think you’re just tripping, Red

[tranquil ore]

im not exactly sure how to test it but it doesnt look like its doubling in my current one

[spiral wadi]

👀

still when jpom rapture circe does more dps than sword ring smth's wrong

[tranquil ore]

hold on i hit 426 damage, it might be doubling

[spiral wadi]

wtf

[tranquil ore]

but that was one time

[mystic mango]

With or without Jpom?

[spiral wadi]

maybe it's inconsistent?

[tranquil ore]

without jpom the base was 160

[spiral wadi]

i'll run the game a bit later on ares keepsake to see what's goin on

[tranquil ore]

so double + furies

[mystic mango]

Yeah so then 160x2x1.3

Would be 416

[spiral wadi]

was it like a group of enemies?

maybe nearby swords

[mystic mango]

Ugh fine I’ll go start my PC and just boot the modded version

[tranquil ore]

mustve been, cant recreate it

[spiral wadi]

damn, if so then sword ring can hit the same enemy w same sword instances, but dumb aah sword rush can't

stabbing rush glowup when

[wild drift]

Actually I have PonyMenu too so Idk why I didn't just test this myself lol

[spiral wadi]

boutta abandon switch 2 for modding diff

[mystic mango]

Can confirm it does not work

[spiral wadi]

nice

[tranquil ore]

if sword ring doubled where would it rank in circe casts

[spiral wadi]

honestly? would still be like mid bottom

[mystic mango]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1496921101937148156/1504157499157381288/20260513-1624-47.5199261.mp4?ex=6a05f755&is=6a04a5d5&hm=0f02effdbd9fdff4a1e4acadc40d4098cdeff2b60046600b1cd1b5c26a73754f&

[spiral wadi]

cuz it creates a stationary sword that might miss on bosses etc, but does actually do somewhat fair poke dmg in encounters

however just pick up froth cast

[wild drift]

Yeah still needs Coffin Nail to be consistently usable

[spiral wadi]

it's instant, actually stacks on circe, gives a status effect

like if sword ring inflicted wounds somehow maybe i'd take it more

but for delayed casts u can also apollo

it takes full cast duration but it also is far more reliable cuz it's not stationary sword

[mystic mango]

If instead of giving it more damage they gave it wounds it would actually be good

[wild drift]

AND Wounds cooldown actually matches cast cooldown of 3 seconds so you'd always be getting the +50 lol (unless you had WC ofc)

[spiral wadi]

yee

[mystic mango]

That would make it bad with winners circle oddly

Cause then you would miss the wounds cooldown

[spiral wadi]

mhm that'd prob be funky

[mystic mango]

Honestly I wish that wounds could be reapplied but you only got the extra damage every 3 seconds

[spiral wadi]

tru but that'd be weird

lance of ares is currently the only source where wounds can be reapplied

[mystic mango]

Alternate idea for how wounds could work. “Apply wounds to an enemy for 5 seconds, every 3 seconds your next hit against that enemy with an attack or special gains 50 extra power”

[alpine raft]

do falling swords actually have aoe??

[spiral wadi]

also it's funny how fourth degree ares wounds is bugged to stack more than it should but no one takes it anyway cuz fireballs are dogwater and ass

[spiral wadi]

ya

[alpine raft]

wth

[mystic mango]

Yes they do and cutting edge makes the aoe larger

Proving nobody really knows how those damn blades work

They have to have an AOE because otherwise they can’t hit moving enemies

[alpine raft]

i avoid em at all costs to make greivous more likely

[mystic mango]

Cause it’s not like Doom in H1 which was a curse and guaranteed to hit enemies

[spiral wadi]

yea removing the tracking makes blades ass turns out

like if they fell faster w/o the need of coffin nail, would be more consistent

it's on heph duo and honestly blasts r more consistent atp

[mystic mango]

The change blades need: make them fall faster from base but not quite coffin nail speed, remove the faster fall mechanic from coffin nail, make coffin nail still reduce the cooldown for applying more blades and give it a bit of extra power, make all the blades do less damage but apply wounds

[spiral wadi]

lowk if sword ring got like a 1.5s tick for swords, making two instances of swords per cast, that'd be cool compensation

ye swords proccing wounds would be legendary

it'd prob get very weird on profuse tho

speaking of profuse plz make it contribute to savor again

i never feel obligated to take it cuz there's other boons that actually do

[mystic mango]

Yeah genuinely no clue what they thought they were cooking by making the blades god build basically impossible to get

You have to take boons in a super specific order to not get screwed by denial

[spiral wadi]

mhm

[mystic mango]

Gotta get a group 3 boon first and hope you don’t denial all of group 1 or 2

Then get a group 1 or 2 boon to unlock profuse

Then get the group 1 or 2 you need and hope profuse didn’t get denied

And then still somehow get sanguinary

[spiral wadi]

ye, i do still find it cool that they did take a look at ares and went towards buffing his kit post patch, like grisly got a massive glowup

but yea savor reqs feel more strict than prior

if plasma category had a few more boons in it like maybe blood spree or meat grinder

it prob feel more balanced than 3rd category having a hell lot

ig u still need a plasma source for the autocollect thing

[mystic mango]

Keep blood spree in group 3 but add meat grinder to group 2 and make it generate plasma every few hits

That’d be cool

[spiral wadi]

wait truu

would be very down for it to have an additional utility effect

[mystic mango]

Now it truly is a meat grinder

Enemy go in, plasma come out

Would have to be pretty strong though to make you want to use omega cast

Like every 5 hits creates a plasma or something

So then that would give you like 3 per enemy if they got hit every time

[spiral wadi]

i mean i'd be fine with it being a % chance, it'd likely end up being legendary fodder like geyser spout

[mystic mango]

Probably but like just make it something that you don’t go “ugh fine I’ll take meat grinder cause it’s the only option I’m given”

[spiral wadi]

fair

i mean i do like taking meat grinder on circe on occasion

it's just funny cuz it's like a fast tick rate for dmg when u can also do funny storm ring

stacking both does pretty solid dmg

[mystic mango]

Air quality funny

[hollow stag]

Persephone aspect is funny if you get high level Hera’s Bane boon.

[spiral wadi]

ye bane poms very nicely

[hollow stag]

What hammer is more useful for hidden twin blades aspect with final slice?

Wicked or Rapid?

[flint widget]

probably wicked

[hollow stag]

How about with Ambush hammer instead?

[flint widget]

theyre equal

[spiral wadi]

rapid is extremely good according to omen, helps with getting triads out faster

ambush is also giga nutty

i think order of operations would be ambush > rapid > wicked

[sour rivet]

hey checkmate how hard was it for you to beat 67f? ive been wanting to try it for a while now

[mystic mango]

Well what’s the highest you’ve done before

[sour rivet]

45

with moros and a sinlge boon

[mystic mango]

67 is already a different realm of difficulty from even 62 fear

[magic grove]

even 65 from 62 is already a huge jump in difficulty

and 62 from 45 is already an insane jump

[mystic mango]

I’ve done 62 and I’m still intimidated to try 65 or 67 fear

[magic grove]

same

[mystic mango]

Heck 62 is still intimidating enough

[sour rivet]

which build did you mainly use for 62f?

[magic grove]

i'll start the 65f grind eventually when i get more used to 62

[sour rivet]

im kinda determined in myself ill probably try it actually slowly but surely

[mystic mango]

Honestly most builds are still quite viable on 62 fear and if you’re playing Moros like… you’re already playing a high tier weapon

[magic grove]

my first 62 clear (and imho the easiest path) is mel staff

[mystic mango]

Moros doesn’t need a lot to just delete underworld

[sour rivet]

so i should stick with it you think?

[sour rivet]

ive seen a lot of people use that aswell i dont understand alll the way though

[magic grove]

dash strike special repeat, get a good % boon on special and a good hammer like dual moonshot and 2 curses and its pretty much done

[lyric summit]

62F is huge milestone and is pretty hard if you’re not used to timer and Rivals 4

[mystic mango]

Mel staff is just super safe. It’s not absurdly strong in terms of damage without getting the right hammers but it’s so absurdly safe to use that it doesn’t matter

[lyric summit]

Usually aspects that don’t use Magick too much and are just dash attack -> special slop work really well

[magic grove]

yeah, mel staff and eos are probably the safest options

[sour rivet]

im used to that short timer but i kinda hate rivals cerberus ngl

[magic grove]

are you used to short timer with hordes tho?

[mystic mango]

Yeah like 45 is still well below you gotta turn all the truly BS vows on

[sour rivet]

not max but tried two ticks with it, just timer and hordes tho nothing else

[mystic mango]

Hordes, return, pain 3, scars 3, max rivals, forfeit

[magic grove]

when you add the fact that you cant heal and enemies have more hp and do more damage timer suddenly becomes a huge issue

don't get me started on return i HATE RETURN so much

[sour rivet]

ive used all those except for max rivals and pain in my 45

[mystic mango]

If you can’t run a sub-15 on 45 fear then you’re gonna struggle even with 55+

Time 3 becomes a serious issue with hordes and return

[sour rivet]

i got 18 with my 45 run

hordes and return were on max then

[mystic mango]

More meaning those two in conjunction with everything else

Wards, grit, menace, hordes and return aren’t that big a deal until a single sop-spindle in Erebus does 22 damage that you can’t heal

And then you’re still having to race a timer

[sour rivet]

oh yeah scars suck ass i forgot

[magic grove]

also you'll probably not run strength on 62 so you'll do less damage

unless youre a god or something or you play nergal

[sour rivet]

i never ran strength anyway i liked the extra lives

[sour rivet]

never used nergal once lol

[magic grove]

nergal i would say is also a pretty good aspect to get 62f

[mystic mango]

I’d say the final vows you should enable, in order, are pain 2, scars 2, forfeit, wards, return, pain 3, scars 3

That’s your final crawl to 62 fear

You need to get used to hordes at 50 fear