h2-builds-and-combat

[mystic mango]

Both are solid just often instantaneous damage and added AOE wins over delayed damage

(Especially if you get epic JPom Hestia special and now you’re doing scorch cap with every single special hit)

The one annoyance of Poseidon special on pan though is that it can push enemies out of the cast

[hollow stag]

Does Knives Special apply Scorch twice?

[drifting rose]

Is dancing knives better then hidden knives

Cuz I lowkey got both and don’t know which to pick

[mystic mango]

It’s on every hit, omega special only hits once but normal special can hit twice so yes

[mystic mango]

Different purposes. Instantaneous knives on omega special or allowing them to bounce to other enemies

[wild drift]

Dancing is usually pretty bad because it means your Specials don't hit twice, haven't seen how it interacts with Pan in the new patch though

[mystic mango]

They’re playing pan

On pan your omega special can’t pierce enemies if they’re in the cast

So dancing lets your knives hit multiple enemies

[drifting rose]

I see

[alpine raft]

hidden is instant 4 though

[mystic mango]

I’d say take hidden first

And hope dancing comes back

Hidden is just a massive buff to ospec usability

Since it becomes more spammable

[drifting rose]

Alr hopeful I get the option too

What if I get reaper before that

Does it work well with hidden?

[alpine raft]

reaper probably better

[mystic mango]

Reaper generally better cause more single target damage and also fills the purpose of dancing in a way since the knives become larger

So they're more viable to use without the homing

[wild drift]

And Reaper is basically a 60% multiplicative damage boost to your special which is crazy

AND it makes them look really cool

[mystic mango]

Yeah, really strong even if you go flat buffs

[wild drift]

Well sometimes, idk why it makes Hera special look cooler than Apollo special for example

[drifting rose]

What would be the play with trick knifes

[mystic mango]

Hera's abilites just look cooler in general

[mystic mango]

% damages

Hera is the meta but aphro or apollo is also very strong

Hera cause hitch, Aphro cause more damage, apollo cause larger specials

[drifting rose]

Alr ty

[real fern]

So I've finished the story and have just been working through the laundry list. I've finally started trying to use torches and... how do you use them? They seem extremely bad. I've finished the game largely using the axe and xinth, and can largely handle anything with either, but torches are so awful, I can barely even get to third boss in underworld...

[viral yew]

Are you using the ospecial and making use of cast

[real fern]

yes, omega special is extremely hard to hit with and does very little.

[viral yew]

You want to have omega special up 100% of the time, and just hold attack

Lots of on hit boons, and make sure origination is up

And what aspect are you using?

[real fern]

Is there some synergy I do not understand? Cause just having those two balls twirl around doesn't do anything... I've started with the default aspect.

[viral yew]

They're more curse aplicators than actual damage, and mel is porbably the worst torch aspect

[real fern]

I see... Ok, thank you.

[spiral wadi]

mel torch is very dependent on hitting hammers to make it feel good

the main ones you want for attack is either inverted (the best one probably), dividing, or sudden burst, each of these make ur attacks actually pierce enemies

for torches, u usually want to rely on keeping omega special out to apply some status effect like hitch, blitz, scorch, wounds, whatever

hidden helix makes ur specials hold itself for dps if u want to spam special, tho enduring coil is also very nice to not have to charge ospec as much

[smoky current]

Are the Chaos Boon work on Hephaestus?

Like, can it make a 500 hit do 750?

🤔 Can Hephaestus crit?

[mystic mango]

Boons that specifically say “attack” “special” do not apply to god effects from boons on those abilities

So chaos boons for attacks and specials do not buff Poseidon, Hestia, Zeus or Hephaestus, only the damage of the attack or special itself

And yes Hephaestus can crit

[smoky current]

The effect is the direct damage for Hephaestus

[mystic mango]

Also it can get ares crit from grievous blow or mutual destruction

[mystic mango]

Any flat damage boons on attacks and specials are only buffed by global damage buffs such as origination or furies

[smoky current]

Well, it's can of indirect in the case so I guess it's normal

[mystic mango]

Hephaestus blasts are specifically considered a “god effect”

Attack and special damage is ONLY damage dealt by the hit itself

Not any additional god effects

[smoky current]

Ok

Thank a lot

[surreal hazel]

It's olympian damage, don't forget

[upbeat goblet]

Mel Torches: put Hestia on Attack, Demeter Cast and the Duo boon.
Enjoy

[split igloo]

poseidon attack is also pretty good on mel torches esp with dividing

the damage board at the end will be all poseidon waves lol

[drifting rose]

For an aspect of Anubis build would it be better take giga moon burst or aesthetic moon burst

Also would it better to go for an flat or % boons

[surreal hazel]

Flat for the most part, also power bonus

Anubis attack ticks a low repeating damage in a big area, anubis special attacks faster for less damage than normal staff special

omegas both have a built in +% bonus

[drifting rose]

Alr thx

What about the hammer upgrades which one should I take

[surreal hazel]

Pretty open, just be aware that Rapid Thasher does not increase the rate that the attack ticks damage, just the speed you can drop one and also charge an omega

[flint widget]

mirrored and soulfilled ankh are ur goats for anubis

[surreal hazel]

Mirrored ankh doesn't increase damage either, just coverage

But the biggest weakness of the oAttack is coverage, so it's not wrong to take

(seriously that oAttack SHREDS if you can place it right)

Oh and maybe a little Caveat Emptor

The regular special pulls the victim in the opposite direction to the projectile, the oSpecial projectile drags into where it detonates, be wary of this when you take Dual or Shimmering Moonshot

(Exceptional Talent + Dual Moonshot is like taking a portable black hole with you)

[drifting rose]

Is giga moonbrust better then aesthetic moonburst?

Rapid moonshot is an option too

[surreal hazel]

Atheric refunds itself and is quicker to charge. It's not bad

[drifting rose]

Alr

[drifting rose]

Could Hera work with special for the aspect of aunbuis build

[surreal hazel]

Yes, but it's way stronger on attack

yes that's +% and I said not to do that, but this is the exception

Although I did stumble onto a strange combo of using anubis oSpecial to slam everyone together then drop Engagement Ring into the middle of it

Shotgun Polyamorus wedding

[drifting rose]

What’s an good build with aspect morrigan?

[viral yew]

Check the pins

[drifting rose]

I’m also kinda confused with how it works

[flint widget]

how it works? like the attack pattern or what

[drifting rose]

Attack patten

[austere trail]

if you're triggering blood triad, I like to: special -> hold attack (for attack and omega attack)

[magic grove]

top icon is omega, left is attack, right is special

[austere trail]

if you're just interested in simpler play, you can just spam attack mainly

[flint widget]

yeah attack pattern for morrigan is special into dash strike into omega attack

or if u have final slice just spam attack

[drifting rose]

Alr thank yall

Is doing the blood triad worth it at all?

[viral yew]

Always

[magic grove]

yes

just keep in mind, blod triad damage is pretty much fixed

outside of premium service and a hammer that increases it

[drifting rose]

Yeah I understand that part

[magic grove]

it falls off a bit late game (still solid damage tbh) but at that point you'll do the rest of the damage with your other effects

[split igloo]

yeah, the triad scales with nothing, that's why Artemis blades are better

[flint widget]

https://giphy.com/gifs/you-are-lying-man-lie-U335adiNvcKJGdACMB

777 is still some good ass damage even in late game

[split igloo]

the Artemis crit machine goes higher than that and you don't have to set up a triad

[manic shuttle]

You have to set up a parry which is way time consuming than a triad

[flint widget]

plus parry has a cooldown

triad doesnt

[split igloo]

the strat is you only use omegas, this way your ripostes won't run out immediately, and then you just parry again

[flint widget]

way slower than just proccing triads

[viral yew]

This has to be bait

[upbeat goblet]

If you can rotate consistently on a boss isnt Triad doing like at least 2/3 procs in the time It takes for Parry to recharge?

[flint widget]

you can probably fit like 10 triad procs in the time it takes for parry to recharge

wait no probably like 5-6

[surreal hazel]

If anything I find it the other way. 777 damage is too much early on when beyblading around is less effort

[magic grove]

its still good yeah i wasn't saying its bad

[flint widget]

i was talking to wild bunny

[magic grove]

ah

[magic grove]

yeah kinda

[magic grove]

i'll tell you that oattack artemis is fun af to play, but thats more cause i like fine line omega spam builds but in general in terms of power morrigan is the best blades by far

[zenith olive]

if im doing strenght instead of death

do you consider it worth it to use skelly keepsake for final boss

[magic grove]

no

[zenith olive]

it probably depends on your max hp right

like if i had only 100 max hp is definitely would

probably the turning point is around 200hp if i had to guess

[magic grove]

still usually not worth it

last region for strength you can run antler if youre feeling confident or lion fang

even if youre running death, pin is usually better than tooth

[drifting rose]

When using the aspect of supay which boom should I go for with the attack and special?

[magic grove]

scorch, blitz

the important part is applying 2 curses as always tbh

[surreal hazel]

Hitch on special. Splash also good

Heavy hitter cast and rush boons are good too

[magic grove]

you can even get like wounds which in theory isn't good but then you get grisly gain profuse bleeding the whole ares package (stabbing rush 👀 )

[drifting rose]

Alr I’ll see which booms I can get ty yall

[drifting rose]

Also Selene black coat ain’t that bad

[magic grove]

it is

[drifting rose]

It’s not

[drifting rose]

Also could Apollo work for enither the special or attack?

[magic grove]

no supay's base damage is super small

[drifting rose]

Oh alr ty

[drifting rose]

What about ares?

Also what are some good hammers to use with it?

[surreal hazel]

Hidden helix

Its unique hammer is kinda terrible

[flint widget]

inverted and dividing too

[magic grove]

it's not good but like you can go full ares and it's fun af when you get it all

and it becomes good but needs a lot of boons

well not a lot, but a few

[surreal hazel]

Henious smite with vicious flouish is lol

[drifting rose]

Hmm

[magic grove]

if I'm playing supay and ares shows up I'm getting it always

[drifting rose]

Sounds fun

[magic grove]

grisly, cut above, new profuse bleeding

[drifting rose]

Could all ares work with Zeus dash?

[magic grove]

if you already have Zeus on the pool then it's 1/3 of the puzzle to get heinous smite

so you can go for it yeah

[drifting rose]

Alr

What’s heinous smite? Dio boon?

[magic grove]

heinous affront (Zeus + ares) with light smite from Apollo

it's pretty much a trio boon really haha

[drifting rose]

Ahh

Sounds good thx again

Selene coat isn’t bad

[alpine raft]

doesnt have much going for it

[drifting rose]

Nah but I find it fun

[lyric summit]

Someone has to 🫢

[lyric summit]

Honestly so ironic how the blinding rush man himself is one of the worst gods you'd want in your Soup pool 🥲

Unless specifically trying to go Heinous

[magic grove]

and blinding rush goes from best boon in the game to "why are you doing this?"

[spiral wadi]

tbf blinding rush is actually fine, u can just throw dps on ur spec/atk/cast and win anyway

[magic grove]

yeah but... why

[flint widget]

more movement speed aint that bad

[alpine raft]

we timing out in erebus with this one

[flint widget]

just get like good damaging attack and special ez game tbh

[magic grove]

just get giga dash

it's so simple

[weak hamlet]

I think I'm addicted to Torches with either Hestia or Zeus and I am struggling to find any other weapon fun...until I unlock some of the secret aspects

[upbeat goblet]

Hold Square gameplay based

[final sedge]

When you finish the game, one of the after credit keepsakes makes every build and weapon funner.

Higher rarity with several Poms Hephaestus bonks that refresh in 3 or less seconds is super fun.

[drifting rose]

For an aspect of Nergal build would it be better to use seething marauder psychic whirlwind or heaven splinter hammers

[reef cave]

Hi all! Playing Hades2 since ps5 release last week. Playing a couple aspects around 40 pain but looking for strats/builds for other weapons 🙂

[drifting rose]

I’ve been playing hades 2 on ps5 as well

[alpine raft]

psychic is its best hit by far

[drifting rose]

Have you tired an aspect of Moros build with the torch’s

[reef cave]

Yeah I’ve been playing moros, morrigan, nergal, cerce, Mel coat and mel staff at high heat so far

Well, high for me :p around 40

[drifting rose]

That’s pretty high my friend

[drifting rose]

Have you tried a staff of aubuis build?

[reef cave]

I can’t get used to it haha

The omega attack is so slow

And pulling stuff in to get hit is rough too lol

[austere trail]

are you using the sorceress card?

[reef cave]

Yeah

I’ve seen ppl somehow fast/cancel omegas but I’m not there yet lol

I’ve been trying Charon aswell, it’s really fun but hard to find a safe moment to use it vs bosses

[austere trail]

oh have you upgraded it to max yet or nah

[reef cave]

Yeah

The cast damage is insane

[austere trail]

no I meant anubis haha

[reef cave]

Oh haha yeah

Should i maybe focus more around normal attacks?

[austere trail]

hmm
guess you could try hermes' racing thoughts or metallic droplet and see if that suits you

so omega attack is not that necessary to use, but omega special is very helpful

[reef cave]

Oh really?

I’ve just used omega/normal attack and basic special

[drifting rose]

Charon with Apollo is very fun

[drifting rose]

It’s not too hard to get use to it you just need practice

[austere trail]

basically my playstyle is dash-attack, go for omega attack while dashing backwards, then mix up omega specials and regular specials

[reef cave]

Ok I’ll try it! Thanks 🙂

[austere trail]

nws!

[reef cave]

Yeah Apollo and Demeter cast makes rooms so easy lol

Also, is thanathos axe with attack speed hammer bugged?

Cuz it… felt slower lol

[drifting rose]

It might be cuz he’s felts slow for me as well

[drifting rose]

I’ve never tried Demeter cast before I use go for posiden Zeus or whoever’s available

[reef cave]

Demeter freeze gives a lot of safety, also her omega cast boost + poseidons omega cast boost go ham

I just gotta learn how to use against bosses without getting hit xD esp with frenzy1

[mystic mango]

Yeah Demeter cast and her gusts are some of the best safety tools in the game

If you don’t take her cast for freeze the slow down from arctic gale is still amazing

[reef cave]

Yeah arctic gale is amazing for origination too

[mystic mango]

Yeah that too

[weak hamlet]

oh?

[final sedge]

Yes

[weak hamlet]

What is the item?

[weak hamlet]

What is the item?

[final sedge]

You’re asking so I assume you want to be spoiled.

It’s called jeweled Pom, and it allows you to have level four boons if the boon is Pom-able, and gives you a random boon from the friend of the last realm of the ubderworld. You have to give up all rerolls and not use trinkets that summon a god, but otherwise you get that benefit the whole run even if you take it off after the first location.

It makes almost everything good and gives the game some fun randomness.

[weak hamlet]

Nice, I think i got that the last time I completed the game. Will explore it more this run

[hollow stag]

What’s better to start on fast weapons?

Epic Poseidon Attack/Special or Epic Static Shock

[marble void]

could someone dm me their save file?

i lost mine and ive tried the tech fixes already

(pref if youve beaten || chronos & typhon ||)

[viral yew]

Pos

[desert shell]

A little inconsistent that hangover can't trigger origination, given it's a curse from an Olympian

[viral yew]

It can

[desert shell]

Is Talos immune to origination then? Maybe I'm just blind but I didn't see it happen in the dream dive I'm on

[viral yew]

Also no, there must have been some other problem

[wild drift]

I thought it couldn't yeah

[desert shell]

Weird, I'm running aspect of thanatos with hera attack and the hangover on omega, and yet when both are applied I see no origination indicator. None on Zag either

[zenith olive]

I dont get How fates whim works

Its worded so weirdly in game

Like do I lose it if I choose something other then a boon for a Chamber? But what If there are multiple boon options

[hollow stag]

How is Zeus Attack or Special on Thanatos Axe?

[viral yew]

Good

[viral yew]

Might be bugged? But I have a clear memory of it working just fin with orig

[viral yew]

Fates whim is active as long as you have none of the reroll arcana and do not take any olympian keepsake (except dio)

[hollow stag]

Do I put Zeus Attack on it and spam Omega Attack?

[viral yew]

Yeah, go for arc flash

[knotty nexus]

So I haven't really used axe or axe aspects in game
Except thanatos
Any tips? Because I need to clear runs with each aspect for the bearing dark gifts prophecy
Although I could with no fear but I want them to be fun too

[viral yew]

Whihc aspect, cause they're all really different

[knotty nexus]

Currently on my phone but except melinoe and thanatos
Both of the last 2 aspects

[viral yew]

So charon and nergal

[knotty nexus]

Wait thanatos and nergal mb
It was charon that had cast right

[viral yew]

Yeah

[knotty nexus]

Well I just opened the game I'll ask help when I need thanks

[drifting rose]

Build for aspect of hel

Is it better to go with an % boon or just flat out dmg

And would Apollo be good with it?

[wild drift]

No omega/Ospec only build: Poseidon/Hestia/Zeus attack, Hera/Zeus special, Static Shock

[magic grove]

poseidon attack

[wild drift]

Apollo would be good with it if you played the new Oattack

[drifting rose]

wdym by no omega /ospec build?

[wild drift]

There are 3 ways to play Hel (I think): don't use any omegas, use Ospec to trigger Valkyrie, and use the newly buffed Oattack with the hammer Helheim Charge

[drifting rose]

Which way would you recommend to play?

[wild drift]

I haven't tried the Oattack version but I heard it's incredibly strong

Probably just depends what you get first

[drifting rose]

I’ve got ares zues hera an Apollo as options

[drifting rose]

Also when did it get buffed?

[wild drift]

If Zeus attack (with Static Shock) I would go with normal attack build

In the recent patch they changed the Oattack to charge and fire faster

One thing to note is I believe Oattack builds (and Ospec builds to a lesser extent) make you less mobile, still kinda have to stand still to charge it

[magic grove]

you really want helheim charge for oattack i think

[mystic mango]

Yeah Helheim is actually super viable now

New Hel world record got set using it even with Poseidon attack

So like you don’t even have to take a % attack to make Helheim work

[glossy jetty]

Do rapid, one tap hits (like axe special and the rapid jab in the sister blades's attack sequence) get buffed by air quality?

[median anvil]

yes

[glossy jetty]

Awesome

Kinda weird that it doesn't work for things like static electricity and posiedon waves tho

[median anvil]

it does work on those

[magic grove]

it works on pretty much anything

[median anvil]

there are very few things that aq doesn't work on

[glossy jetty]

I meant the boons on the rapid hits, not the boons with air quality

Cause afaik posiedon waves only activate on the first hit of the rapid jabbing of sister blades

[median anvil]

any damage you deal, if it would be less than 50, will be 50 with air quality

[civic salmon]

does extended family affect solar ring?

[zenith olive]

hii couldnt find this anywhere, can echo keepsake choose substitution boons?

[alpine raft]

yes it can

[zenith olive]

damn yeah thats not good 😭

[alpine raft]

yup pretty bad keepsake

[split igloo]

def not worth it for just 1 extra boon

[spiral wadi]

holy region 3 hecate took me 3 minutes to beat

what is this scaling

[mystic mango]

Sounds like your build just sucks

But yeah region 4 hecate I think has as much health than typhon

[spiral wadi]

yea heroic storm ring on circe surely ass

[mystic mango]

Cause her base health is like 7000

And region 4 is 9x scaling

[split igloo]

but do you have arctic gale + air quality

[spiral wadi]

iirc rivals have different scaling than common enemies

[mystic mango]

Nope rivals hecate has same scaling as normal

[spiral wadi]

i did skip arctic gale cuz i had calling card for cold storage

[mystic mango]

She actually gains more scaling than the normal enemies

[spiral wadi]

o

[mystic mango]

More damage, same health

[spiral wadi]

wack

[mystic mango]

Yeah rivals hecate gets 3.45 damage scaling so she can one-shot wantler with almost all her moves

[spiral wadi]

why are water spouts extremely aggressive in dream dive

[mystic mango]

||It's a dream so they're trying to get you to piss your bed||

[hollow stag]

I tried Zeus on Thanatos Axe.

Ares Attack is probably more effective.

[spiral wadi]

i've heard of wet dreams but this is ridiculous

[spiral wadi]

blitz actually goes fairly nice on than axe especially if u hit arc flash

% attacks are solid too

[hollow stag]

Hera is especially way more effective than Ares and Zeus on Thanatos Axe

[reef cave]

I got the improved attack speed boon on thanathos, which somehow made it feel slower lol

Guess stacking attack speed breaks the code

[split igloo]

that shouldn't happen, what's your Thanatos level and what's the speed boon

[reef cave]

Max level

Was the hammer

Not boon sorry

[split igloo]

rapid hack? I use it all the time, it works fine

[reef cave]

Oh hmm weird, maybe I miss clicked lol

[split igloo]

well, if you feel something's wrong, it never hurts to press F10 and report it to the devs

[reef cave]

Playing on ps5 but I’ll try thanathos again and see what happens

[mystic mango]

Can still record a clip and post it to the tech support channel

[jade raptor]

Okay, I do not like the Zeus boons in the slightest, but people are saying hes the best... what am I missing here? And I mean his boons for attack, special and cast, because his magic boon is amazing

[magic grove]

his magic regen is probably one of the worst tho

honestly i don't know what youre missing. the cast is just a lot of damage although no curse, and blitz is an amazing curse

blitz deals significant damage and is very easy to proc, idk what else to say he is really strong and usually a good pick in almost any build

[jade raptor]

I think part of it is i didnt like ares in the first game as well, so maybe its just like idk... but I had him on my skulls amd lost a NORMAL surface run. Like it had some will of night stuff but I didnt have any upgraded boss fights

[magic grove]

its different from ares tho, because you just need to do 120 damage to activate blitz and that is SO easy to do

[jade raptor]

It alsp doesnt give you any % or power bonuses

[magic grove]

and blitz damage is affected by origination and any other boosts

also works with double strike, etc

[magic grove]

true, its not the best always, but its almost never bad lol

you mentioned skulls, you get something like hera attack zeus special and its ggs

[mystic mango]

Zeus special starts to matter a bit less on non-Medea skulls

Just since most of your damage is usually dealt standing still on the boss and not using special

Usually better to take a special that can apply a longer lasting curse than blitz or to just not even take a special

Usually better to just have hitch attack and a curse cast or rush like blinding rush or tidal ring

[magic grove]

you can still just use the special, and even if you get blitz attack its still decent

[mystic mango]

I’m not saying it’s a bad option just not usually a necessity

Special isn’t bad to use as a multi-purpose damage while collecting your shells

but usually it’s just a repositioning and reloading tool

So no, not a bad option if you need a boon to pick and it happens to be Zeus special. Just not a necessity

[jade raptor]

God i love applying hitch when in persephone form

Like you just drive around, inflict it and then attack to your hearts content

[mystic mango]

If we’re talking Persephone ospec that’s a little different. I’ve done blitz ospec with twisting crash though

[jade raptor]

I think i had Zeus on my attack or special in persephone form

[mystic mango]

I’d still probably take something like Apollo or Hera though for Persephone ospec

[magic grove]

point is, outside of like charon i don't see an aspect where zeus is "bad" even if he's not the best option

[jade raptor]

Don't the skulls explode? Like on contact? Isnt that why Apollo is so good

Or on attack and paired with hera on persephone booms

[mystic mango]

Yeah Charon really just doesn’t do anything with Zeus aside from if you HAVE to take it on special

[mystic mango]

Apollo is also just a very high % bonus but yeah extra explosion area

[jade raptor]

Actually, I feel like Zeus on persephone aspect is bad purely because yoi need to do boon damage to drive around longer

[mystic mango]

That’s why it’s not terrible to have Zeus on Persephone attack

It’s good damage and charges sprouted quite fast

[jade raptor]

So I wasnt getting that boon damage in because I had to wait and even then it didnt give me much more time as a skull special

[mystic mango]

Maybe try scorch next time or something on attack. Might charge it faster

[magic grove]

blitz is olympian damage

[jade raptor]

Yeah, I usually dont run Zeus, but I got him so I was like... oh, okay

[magic grove]

i like zeus on persephone idk

[mystic mango]

Zeus is S tier usually since he has some of the best boons in the game but isn’t the perfect pick for EVERYTHING

[jade raptor]

I think i just... idk... ._.

Oh, my tastes usually are apollo, hestia, hera, BUT I do like Zeus on the cloak >:)

[gritty widget]

Upgraded chain lightning and storm ring with air quality carries so hard

[mystic mango]

Storm ring doesn't need air quality tbh

Even with just strength and jpom it already does about 50 damage at common

[gritty widget]

[mystic mango]

Actually... furies

So yeah does like 60 damage at common

[gritty widget]

i forgot about furies applying
Mbmb

[split igloo]

air quality is great for Demeter's gust/gale

you basically get a second storm ring

[somber beacon]

what arcana setup do yall use for void 3

my first instinct is strength/death + persistence

[wild drift]

Yeah that or Swift Runner/Sorceress/Messenger + Persistence + Artificer especially for underworld

[manic shuttle]

I use persistence + lovers + sorceress / swift runner for surface

[flint widget]

true

i replace artificer for lovers in surface tho

[manic shuttle]

I don't want to fight heroes without lovers lol

[wild drift]

Other semi-common one is Night + Lovers + Swift Runner because it means you will not get scammed (as it activates Moon + Divinity as well) but no Persistence is scary lol

[flint widget]

i need to try 65f no judgment sometime

would be fire lowk

[somber beacon]

man, not starting out with death or strength sounds really scary for me. but i guess it might be different when youre used to high fear 😭

[flint widget]

yeah

high fear changes u 💀

[wild drift]

If I don't get Death after Hecate I'm likely taking Tooth because I WILL die to Scylla otherwise

[somber beacon]

yeah thats true, rng is a big factor in how scary it is

[static vortex]

Hello guys, do we know the exact reqs to unlock gale now ? Because I got all other familiars, 13 cookies in the bag, used every familiar abilities and finished talking with Hecate, and it still does not spawn in the shop before Prometheus...

[viral yew]

Are you sure you're not walking past him?

[static vortex]

i feel so dumb... tysm !

[split igloo]

Gale is a she https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gale_(mythology)

[smoky current]

Hey, need help with Ygnium, the Umbral Flame

I can start with a heroic attack I don't know which God is the best

(unless you're telling me it's Zeus again but I will keep the upgrade from boon for Static Chock)

I have the aspect of Melinoë, Moros and Eos

[wild drift]

For Mel and Moros it's probably Hera, for Eos it's probably Apollo because Hera is so good on special

[smoky current]

Gonna try to reach the surface with 24 vows

Eos do a lot of Chaos so let's try this one

[flint widget]

nah for eos its zeus

every aspect (except charon) wants hera and zeus on attack and special (can be interchangable)

[wild drift]

Yeah just didn't wanna say Zeus and Hera again LOL and Eos is one where Apollo is cool because of the giant pulse

[flint widget]

oh

i didnt see the previous messages

yeah apollo seems right

https://tenor.com/view/jjk-memes-jujutsu-kaisen-jujutsu-kaisen-meme-jujutsu-kaisen-season-3-yuta-jjk-gif-7576830720291615984

[wild drift]

Can't decide if Zeus or Hera is best on Eos special though

[flint widget]

i still think zeus is better on special

zeus attack doesnt benefit from daybreaker pulse so like

[wild drift]

Yeah Hera special might be overkill for room clear and def worse than Zeus for single target

[flint widget]

exactly

[old plover]

What triggers first between regular DD and Luckier Tooth?

[spiral wadi]

regular dd

[old plover]

thx

[flint widget]

bro

i just got triple fig scammed

[mystic mango]

Finally, following in the footsteps of Foolish

[flint widget]

truly

[west oar]

any tips for shiva? trying to get sub 10 surface and i just find it super unfun to play

[median anvil]

cancel your dash attacks with a special

[mystic mango]

Dash attacks on shiva are genuinely bad to use so yeah you need to halt your dash with a special then wait just long enough before attacking so it doesn't still use a dash attack

[dense haven]

Quick Q. If you purge bridal glow, does it then derank the boon?

[mystic mango]

Nope it stays and you can even get bridal a second time

[dense haven]

Heck yeah

[mystic mango]

Same goes for Heavy Metal from hephaestus

[dense haven]

Interesting.... good to know

[mystic mango]

Or if you purge proper upbrinding then the boons won't derank just future boons are no longer guaranteed to be rare

If you purge hera legendary you only lose the infusion elements and you keep all the boons

[dense haven]

Im giving momus a fair shake and gotta say. I think I jist wasnt playing it right the first time... love the "Tower defence" playstyle

[hollow stag]

Is it better to have dash on right/left bumper, or on A button (bottom of the right 4 face buttons)

[median anvil]

i put mine on right bumper

[dense haven]

I personally have mine on the left trigger and cast on right trigger

[hollow stag]

Do you leave Attack and Special button alone?

[median anvil]

i did
i also put cast on left bumper

[dense haven]

Atk is a, special is x and selene is b

[mystic mango]

Hex on... B?

Why

[dense haven]

Yup lol

Its just convenient for me. All the buttons I use the most right next to my thumb. I can just slide down and pop hex

[mystic mango]

I mean I guess you switched it with cast

That's fair

[dense haven]

I got big ass thumbs tbh

I literally can just slightly roll my thumb down and I hit hex, or up and hit special. But I use hex significantly less than cast so I like having cast on trigger

[hollow stag]

It feels to good to have Right bumper for dash.

I tried bottom of right face button for dash. It felt so weird. Some guide suggest to put Special on right trigger* instead.

[dense haven]

Absolutely not. I rest my fingers on the triggers not the bumpers. I get that for dead zone and travel time its "optimal" to be on bumpers over triggers, but I cannot do it

Thought about doing the auto cast toggle on the right bumper instead of the L stick, but idk yeg

[mystic mango]

Whatever feels good to the player is what's best

It's why I just play keyboard so I never have to share fingers with other buttons

Also cause I like having independent aiming on mouse

[dense haven]

Yeah but you know how those "meta" streamers/guide people do. If you arent doing what's statistically optimal then you arent having fun XD

Im on switch and havent bought it on pc quite yet

[hollow stag]

Is it recommended to get Hermes dash boon on Trick Knives hammer?

[mystic mango]

Multiple max fear players I know play controller

Even if they have it on PC

It's just preference

Not specifically optimal on anything other than coat since coat's dash attack doesn't use aiming and is movement-based so you can separately aim the rockets

[dense haven]

Id assume? More faster dashes means faster pseudo specials?

[dense haven]

Oh i 100% get it. I was jist stating switch because you just happened to mention being on pc

[hollow stag]

What’s a better attack on trick knives with Poseidon Special, Zeus or Ares?

Or some other god

[lyric summit]

Zeus Atk with Hera special so you can pop blitz with a dash and then spread hitch to the enemies behind

[frank siren]

In the past month ive switched cast to right trigger and hex on B. It feels a lot better to me, I never liked ocasting before

[west oar]

instantly made shiva 10 times more fun with this thanks 😭

[mystic mango]

Also you can dash before your third punch on your normal attack combo

Lets you reposition

Just don't dash before the second attack or it will give you a dash attack

[zenith olive]

uuuuh i think i asked this here b4 but i forgor

what keepsake should i take for chronos if im not running death?

oh and i also have very little hp only 160 max so maybe tooth is ok?

[dense haven]

Hey might be late to this... Skull hidden aspect... does auto fire just... not work?

[dense haven]

Are you running str? If so engraved pin is fun if you think you can pump out the damage in 10 sec

Or knucklebones

[zenith olive]

well i mean tooth is just better than engraved pin and used knucklebones already 💔 i use it for scylla

[uneven palm]

Do Fang or Droplet then.

[mystic mango]

Sash is solid if you can get through tartarus without it breaking

[viral yew]

Wdym, pin is way better than tooth

[mystic mango]

Tooth stops strength but isn't a bad option

[mystic mango]

Strength

[zenith olive]

doesnt tooth just gives more health? at least with 160 health, thats essentially 160 +101/0.6 = 330 health

[mystic mango]

Pin is only really good with Death because it gives you 10 seconds of invincibility to do free damage

[viral yew]

Pin does give 60, but the 10 seconds of invulnerability gives sooooo much value

[zenith olive]

actually i didnt understand what pin does

[mystic mango]

Pin heals you if you clear a room or boss phase while it's active

[zenith olive]

yeah i probably shouldve took it

[mystic mango]

You get full invulnerability while it's active

[viral yew]

And tooth would only give you 260

[zenith olive]

its at level 1 only for me tho! so like not a big deal i think

died to chronos+ for the thousandth time

my build was also pretty strong

i had level 15 heroic hera attack which was pretty funny

[alpine raft]

what makes you say the auto fire doesnt work

[viscid patrol]

What's wrong with me?
I've done 24F Surface & 32F Underworld.
I've cleared every prophecy on the fated list.
And I've even done Vow of Rivals Chronos.
So why can't I beat Vow of Rivals Typhon, even when literally no other vows are on?

[alpine raft]

surely nerves

[mystic mango]

Rivals typhon hits like an entire truck and Chronos is a slippery little bugger

Just stand on the opposite side of the stage of Chronos and avoid the center

During the phase where Chronos creates time bubbles and Typhon spams projectiles run to the back of the stage since the eyes he shoots out can’t hit you there

Hope that all helps

@viscid patrol

[viscid patrol]

I'll try to keep this in mind.

It's just incredibly demoralizing to make that run back after wasting what felt like a good seed.

[mystic mango]

Also I’d suggest turning off music if needed so you can hear chronos better to know if he’s gonna go for a scythe throw or slash

Also typhon’s tongue slam can’t hit you if you run all the way to the left or right of the stage

Can also run to the very bottom of the stage and dodge in if it comes too close

[viscid patrol]

Those are good bits to take note of.

thanks

[mystic mango]

No problem

It’s a really tough fight. I had a super strong 62 fear that died to me being smooth brained on rivals typhon

[viscid patrol]

Probably not going to try again until tomorrow, though.
Losing when I had Darkside, Strength, & 5 DDs in my corner really drained all my motivation for the evening.

[mystic mango]

Darkside just prolongs the inevitable cause it does basically no damage

[viral yew]

You might need to optimise your arcana, shouldn't be running strength and death

[mystic mango]

Also don’t bother bringing both strength and death yeah

[viral yew]

Also don't use darkside, or any hex really

[mystic mango]

It’s just a waste of grasp to bring both

[mystic mango]

Twilight is good for breaking the eggs, wolf howl is super free damage evasion and helped a ton on my 62 fear. Night bloom is basically just free damage if you don’t kill the eggs early though that’s risky

[viral yew]

I forgot about those for a second oops

Spending too much time on the hex hate train

[mystic mango]

Yeah there’s definitely worthwhile hexes

Ones I don’t hate to see

Twilight curse or wolf howl can carry hard

[viscid patrol]

I drew Judgement in Region 1 from Circe's keepsake.

[vernal quiver]

dont take circes keepsake 🥀 have you reached credits fully??

since youll find a bunch of success if you go jpom r1 into chrolex r2

[mystic mango]

Circes keepsake is genuinely like bottom 3 keepsakes in the game

[mystic mango]

You can’t get rivals 4 until you roll credits

[viral yew]

No wonder you're wiping to typhon

[vernal quiver]

ahh ok cool

[mystic mango]

Rivals 4 spoils the final fight

[viral yew]

Yeah so they definitely have access to jpom

[vernal quiver]

yeah then do jpom -> chrolex -> anything -> pin/fang/antler

jpom will make everything hit like a truck for zero investment and chrolex will let you buy out every shop

[viral yew]

I second this

Especially on surface where you can buy so much

[mystic mango]

Tooth still solid but pin is just free damage and you can actually have it save you if you manage to phase him

[vernal quiver]

r3 should maybe lean to knuckle bones since r4 means rivals prom and knucle bones kinda shreds them especially with hitch

[viral yew]

Yeah I always take bones or onion r3 surface

[vernal quiver]

yeah or you can early pin if you dont feel comfy

[viscid patrol]

Pin did help me out during my successful 32F underworld run.

[vernal quiver]

r3 is super flexible take whatever feels better

[mystic mango]

Yeah anything from safety to damage to mobility is viable for R3

Knuckle bones with hitch dumpsters heroes which is arguable harder than Typhon

[magic grove]

I've been playing more dream dives and I gotta say, calling card is really good r3

specially since

1. you don't know what's coming anyway
2. even on r3 depending on your luck for previous regions you might still not have a fully fledged build so you can rarify some key stuff

[wild drift]

It works great, you can even hold down both buttons

[somber beacon]

do people take apollo for mel/moros torch special? does the size increase matter enough to make it good crowd control? does it increase the special's hitbox for the purpose of popping the moros attacks? obviously hera special or whatever would be better but, just working with fates whim here

[vernal quiver]

generally apollo is more reserved for the attack cuz the % and size increase is more worthwhile there

[uneven palm]

Apollo attack is good on Moros. Special doesn’t make a huge difference and tbh almost every other god is probably a better take than Apollo there

[somber beacon]

okay i see. im trying highish fear with moros and i can choose between an epic special or a common lucid gain, i realized i didnt know exactly how good apollo special was on torches. but ill just take the gain and wait for a better special

[uneven palm]

Lucid Gain is the take there for sure

Moros needs a good gain and that is one

[hollow stag]

In Region 1 on Surface, what would you get first?

Zeus Attack/Special or Static Shock

[vernal quiver]

attack/special

static shock is super good but blitz is better

although if youre on like supay/hel taking static isnt crazy

and assuming you arent playing with denial the blitz will come back around

[hollow tusk]

piercing wave and flurry slash which one is better for sword upgrade?

i also got hoarding slash rn

[manic shuttle]

This channel is for Hades 2

[zenith olive]

ok so heres a funny situation

i have a DD from chaos and 306 heath, and strenght currently disabled in my build (due to chaos DD)

should i purposefullly lose the DD in cerberus

so i can fight chronos with all the 306 of strenght instead of only half of it + 306 without strnght

mathematically, keeping DD is 60 more effective health, but loses the higher damage

[vernal quiver]

youre not gonna feel 20% global atp i promise you that much

and it doesnt hurt to just keep the dd and have it pop naturally, no reason to drop your survivability for 20% global

plus with a dd taking antler is a bit more viable if youre not too confident as is

[next crystal]

can morrigan effect orgination?

[vernal quiver]

if you mean blood triad then no, blood triad is unaffected by any global damage modifiers, however the rest of morrigan's kit acts as normal

[opal pecan]

And if you're asking whether the Blood Triad mark counts as a curse toward Origination, it doesn't because it's 1) not a curse and 2) doesn't come from an Olympian

[icy crypt]

does scorn count now?
i know hades isnt part of the core 12 but ive seen orig proccing even tho i only have 1 olympian

[manic shuttle]

No

I think blitz can proc origination on its own at times tho

[surreal hazel]

Are you fighting auto watchers on the surface?

There's an odd bug where their self-defense mode actually counts as an olympian curse against themselves

[regal cobalt]

i was so close to defeating unrivaled typhon and then i accidentally moved out of the safe zone during chronos' nerf attack

so annoying

[surreal hazel]

Nerf attack?

The instakill?

[regal cobalt]

yeah

[surreal hazel]

Happens. Blundered it myself recently because of how the coat attack moves you forwards and an egg had landed in range...

[regal cobalt]

oof that sucks

[wild drift]

Yeah it's stupid the egg can land in the safe zone

For the second one in particular, the annulus is fine

[manic shuttle]

I love eggs landing on my head and stripping my barriers

[surreal hazel]

It didn't land on me, just close enough to get a headstart on cracking them and oooops, ded

[surreal hazel]

Odd tech. If you have death warrant, any crit from anything causes a new mark to appear? Weird

[somber beacon]

isn't that how it's supposed to work

[surreal hazel]

Well yeah, but it doesn't care if the mark caused the crit

And multiple marks can exist at once

[broken spoke]

The hunter is just that efficient

[final sedge]

seems cool

[nimble prism]

Anyone knows if there are casts that doesn't deal twice the dmg with circe staff?

[surreal hazel]

Blade Ring

or sword ring, whatever it's called, ares cast

[nimble prism]

What about arctic ring?

I thought it doesn't stack

[final sedge]

I thought they fixed all those sorts of things in our favor with the patch, no?

[surreal hazel]

Freezing doesn't, but the damage does

[nimble prism]

Cool

[surreal hazel]

Blade ring works differently, a single cast can actually hit the same enemy multiple times but it's fiddly

[final sedge]

you're talking about sword ring and not meat grinder, right?

[surreal hazel]

yes

the trigger for blades to spawn is for the victim to start being slowed by the cast and not have an existing sword summoned for them

[final sedge]

I heard from halien that meat grinder description is wrong, it's not damage per second ticks, it hits more often, so it gets buffed like crazy for air quality.

[surreal hazel]

so if you use hostile environment and coffin nail, you can get three or so blades to hit the same enemy by juking in and out of it

[surreal hazel]

Yeah, the description gives you the DPS, not the actual damage per tick and tick rate

[final sedge]

that's weird, because they give subsecond damage numbers on other boons

[surreal hazel]

Add it to the pile, there's a lot of that in the game

[final sedge]

can you describe juking in and out of what?

[surreal hazel]

as in, blade ring drops a sword when an enemy enters the cast circle

and there isn't already a sword spawned for them

[final sedge]

do they know the pile? They fix so many things in the patch and hot fixes... feels weird to ignore known other things that are straight easy to fix like a description

how do you juke in and out of a cast circle?

[surreal hazel]

so you can make them leave and enter the cast via something like Hostile Environment

where the cast is stuck to you

it's not the greatest tech, but it exists

[final sedge]

weird... I should try it... sounds like kinda hard tech that maybe isn't worth trying to exploit.

[surreal hazel]

probably not

[final sedge]

if they could fix the turn circle radius and tracking of howling soul, that would be great

[surreal hazel]

Blade ring's best property is that you get the full damage on an enemy if it is slowed by the cast at any point

[final sedge]

like 65 percent of the time howling soul is fun... 35 percent is like "bro where are you going?"

[surreal hazel]

It's not a DoT or on a specific timing

[final sedge]

all I know is blade ring makes it onto my damage meters when I don't really feel like I was noticing how much work it was doing.

[surreal hazel]

Even that brief moment where charon aspect makes casts bigger is enough

[final sedge]

i had the almost perfect charon run last night, it was so fun. did a hitless chronos fight

[surreal hazel]

Blade ring hits the hardest for aoe damage of all casts, but has no curse and it's not storm ring

But apollo and heph really boost it

Wait. Anvil ting is more but it's DoT and has no support boons at all

[final sedge]

i would love if extra damage to bonk type boons or faster bonks would affect anvil ring. that would be chef's kiss

[surreal hazel]

Winner's circle

[wild drift]

As I understand it the Winner's Circle buff actually nerfed Anvil Ring along with Sword, Tidal, and Solar ring right

Well for Anvil it's more of a sidegrade I guess

[surreal hazel]

Kinda

Buffed storm ring. It needed it

[final sedge]

it was a nerf, the patch made it a buff... what did you understand was a nerf from the patch?

Wait, what did it change to tidal and solar ring?

[wild drift]

The number on Winner's Circle was downscaled in exchange for making it speed up the tick rates of DoT casts

So that means you don't get to place single burst damage casts like Sword, Tidal, and Solar Ring as often

But Anvil Ring with old Winner's Circle was weird because how it works is (I think) it simply spawns the hammer that hits 3 times in 3 seconds where you cast, so you could have multiple hammers going at once

I haven't had it with WC after the patch but I believe it now just speeds up the hits? But you can't place it as often as you could before

[spiral wadi]

ye it speeds up the time between hammer ticks

[regal cobalt]

any tips for zagreus he keeps beating my butt

[flint widget]

his moveset is similar to the hades bossfight in h1

[regal cobalt]

except hades was like 10x slower istg

[flint widget]

were u running forced overtime in h1

[regal cobalt]

no

[flint widget]

yeah that checks out

[regal cobalt]

ive barely done any heat in h1 tbh

i did enough to get all the achievements

[bronze flax]

I have found an Omega Attack Coat approach... Underwhelming (excepting for Shiva)

Any suggestion if I'd want to start using Omega Attack on Coat more?

[opal pecan]

Play Shiva

[wild drift]

Sounds like a job for Sky Fall

[opal pecan]

Nah, ospecial is so much nicer

E.g. Controlled Burn helps charge hex (and has potential synergies with Ares which you want for the godsent) but it's ospecial only

[bronze flax]

Ah yes, Omega Special is way better, I just wanted to try to expand the use of Omega Attack more lol

[wild drift]

Vytautas the coat goat said he had success with Selene Oattack builds, would love to see the videos but he hasn't uploaded them

[bronze flax]

Technically correct, the best kind of correct

[opal pecan]

I've seen some speedrunners use oattack in early game for the damage, for whatever that's worth

[magic moss]

woah

[opal pecan]

Welcome back, SGGcord

[spiral wadi]

toula bit the mainframe

[granite sierra]

does winner's circle increase tick rates on casts like zeus and demeter or is that just a hephaestus thing

[turbid karma]

as of the new update it makes the cast do its entire normal damage X% faster

so that is to say it makes every cast do the amount of damage it would have done without winner's circle, in the time of the winner's circle cast. 40, 50, 60% faster etc depending on rarity

[granite sierra]

thank you

[pallid girder]

What is the best attack boon for daggers? Wave strike?

[surreal hazel]

solid choice, but it depends on how you're building

and which daggers

[pallid girder]

Melinoe

[uneven palm]

basically anything's fine

You've got backstab damage built-in, the attack combo is kinda fast so on-hits are good, the final stab has big power so +% is good too

[austere trail]

^ apollo's a great choice for mel blades because of back burner

[uneven palm]

Probably best best is a big Aphro or Apollo with Wicked Onslaught (+power on attacks)

I like starting Zeus special and add whatever attack that shows up, since anything is probably fine

[pallid girder]

Which 2 curses do you prefer to grab if trying to go for the extra dmg through the arcana card?

[austere trail]

honestly most of the curses are pretty easy to apply. for poseidon's waves you do need slippery slope for the froth curse

and for heph you need furnace blast for the glow curse

[pallid girder]

Nova strike + back burner seems decent

[opal pecan]

It's generally not difficult to get two curses, and ideally one should always be going for Origination, so "does my build have two curses yet?" just becomes a question one gets into the habit of asking oneself

For Nova Strike, you will not be getting any curses out of that on its own, so you will have to find some other source of Daze

Dazzling Display technically can give you Daze, just as Slippery Slope gives you Froth and Furnace Blast gives you Glow, but it's only a %chance compared to the other two just straight-up giving you the damn curse

[surreal hazel]

Dazzling is basically guaranteed on the daggers though

[sand crow]

helheim is the funniest hammer I love it

[dense haven]

Is glamor gain x amount of mana per weak enemy nearby, or only x if any amount of weak enemies are nearby?

Nvm wiki answered

[alpine raft]

dont go with wiki answers typically but it is correct this time

[scarlet quiver]

What are your guys opinions on Mel axe?

[magic grove]

its decent

[zenith olive]

how viable is building a build on hestia

got 3 hestias on efira city so im considering it

[viral yew]

She's one of the best olymians

[zenith olive]

uuuh medeia bombs weapon skull

[viral yew]

hmmmm

maybe not then

Medea wants high %damage

[scarlet quiver]

I personally love it cuz:
room 1 aphro or Apollo attack into bridal glow, executioners chop, hellspliter, and then everything heph and between

[viral yew]

Ew, hellsplitter

[zenith olive]

i really like her casts, normally my go to, but not much for anything else honestly so i cant really see how a build based on her would work

[scarlet quiver]

Yes yes it’s bad but for funny bonk build it’s kinda good

[magic grove]

her legendary is ass but shes good and has good duos so

[broken spoke]

Mel axe boring

[scarlet quiver]

I press 1 button then I deal like 1k damage, me likely

[magic grove]

all mel aspects are kinda boring

[scarlet quiver]

I just like being really brain dead with axe

[zenith olive]

oooh yeah i love her duos and omega abilities boon

is it ever worth to take her for like standard attack/special?

thats what i cant imagine working

[magic grove]

depends on the aspect youre playing

[opal pecan]

For Mel axe specifically? Meh

[scarlet quiver]

Like it’s really average, but 50 power goes a long way when you add a bunch of other things to it, so I just adore it more than anything

It is what got me my first win so it also just holds a special place in my heart

[opal pecan]

Plenty of the Mel aspects are quite strong!

[scarlet quiver]

Yeah, but none are more brain dead than me press 1 button me get big damage number

Like Charon, that takes 2 buttons, 1 you hold so nah

And than

It’s than

[viral yew]

On alot of aspects yeah, it's really good

[scarlet quiver]

I want to like hellspliter, but it isn’t really that good, so I made it good cause bonk is bonk

[zenith olive]

ended up going for hefestus explosive attack build and this is too funny (Medeia bombs)

[dense shadow]

need build ideas\

artemis daggers

all rivals

[viral yew]

just zeus hera trick knives, free win

[dense shadow]

zeus on attack right

[viral yew]

Yes

[devout ermine]

have a nasty Hel skull build going

artemis support fire + static shock + the bouncing attack hammer

lost to a really sloppy chronos p2

grrr

im conflicted in my feeling about the hel skull imo

its good but i find it a little clunky still-

[surreal hazel]

What attack boon?

[devout ermine]

poseidon

• slippery slope

[lyric summit]

That’s a super strong build 👌

Did you have Zeus spec too?

[devout ermine]

yes

was strong until i started choking a little in tartarus and then more badly in p2 chronos

was really hungry and it was distracting me

[lyric summit]

Happens to the best of us

[surreal hazel]

What's odd now is that you can use other attack boons, but any +% boons quickly become oAttack based

15 base power for attack, 200 for omega. Night and day

[lyric summit]

Hel’s glowup this patch has been kinda nice ye. Apollo atk with Helheim Hammer is also really strong

[surreal hazel]

Yeah, that setup is like tickle tickle tickle KAMBLAMMO

[lyric summit]

I love how massive they’ve made some of Apollos attacks

Axes, Hel and Morrigan look insane with Apollo attack 😂

[surreal hazel]

The coat has a weirdly big size modifier for nova strike

I documented any size mods, you might be surprised to see that axes are only +20%

[lyric summit]

Huh. It deffo feels like a lot more

Maybe the funny sound effects make it seem a lot bigger lol

[surreal hazel]

20% more radius is 44% more coverage

[lyric summit]

Final Slice 1.6x. Sounds about right 😮

[surreal hazel]

On something already big then boooom

Mooncrest riser, once again, is revealed to be a total turnip of a hammer

+75% on coat is lol for oAttack

So so big

[devout ermine]

poseidon WHY

miniboss reward and the only non common is a heroic sea star (lv 4 courtesy of jpom)

[tranquil ore]

are there any aspects with similar gameplay to circe staff

like cast focused

[alpine raft]

charon likes omega cast boons but plays pretty different to circe

[devout ermine]

i swear to god
i lost p3 chronos last hit with my strongest hel skull yet because he decided last second to do a second 12 beams attack

im so mad

[spiral wadi]

charon is more omega cast focused and can get very insane

[spiral wadi]

yea chronos being able to enter the laser attack with literally no warning cue at all is diabolically evil

[magic grove]

still not as bad as triple scythe

[spiral wadi]

tru

[magic grove]

diabolical move

[spiral wadi]

i had a thought during warsomg that the scythe in extreme measures should follow an infinity symbol path since it was already doing half of it

[wild drift]

Worst version of triple scythe is the one that happens right after a teleport

[spiral wadi]

fr

triple scythe and quad trail attack are the ones where chronos will sometimes want to be very close to u to initiate

so if he teleports and he's just running towards u even if ur fairly close that would have triggered some of his other moves, sometimes i'll run into him to trigger his next attack

same with heracles, if he's running towards u and not leaping where he would leap, he wants to do a melee attack

[lyric summit]

Yeah it’s a pretty annoying cutscene sequence with no cue to let you know he’s starting it 😭

[scarlet quiver]

Does anybody know a way I could buff my big bonk Mel axe build (it already has either Apollo or ahpro attack, executioners chop, and hellspliter) anything else I can add (aside from the cards) to make It better? (Btw I haven’t gotten like Pom or calling card)

[median anvil]

crits

[scarlet quiver]

Hmmmmm, I’m dumb, how do I get crit from something aside from Artemis?

[flint widget]

raki

[median anvil]

antler 🤑

[flint widget]

yk what

pizza is right

[scarlet quiver]

No, this is also a tanky run

[magic grove]

grievous blow / mutual destruction

[flint widget]

technically thats not crit since it gives double dmg and crit gives triple dmg

i think

[magic grove]

yeah

but it is another way to add damage

[scarlet quiver]

As much as I don’t like ares, he could be useful

[flint widget]

oh i thought u were talking about ways to have crit other than arty

https://giphy.com/gifs/cant-read-kagurabachi-we-tbz7HriklzuhjKd4mS

[scarlet quiver]

I sure do love being brain dead while just doing 1.8k damage with a press of a button!

[hollow stag]

Which is more useful on Hera cast?

Hereditary Bane
Dying Wish

[manic shuttle]

Hereditary bane

[wild drift]

If you have JPom there aren't many situations where you should pass up Hereditary Bane

[final sedge]

for sprint damage applications, you want to do it more often, no?

[wild drift]

Personally I'd rather just keep the Hitch on for as long as possible and have the Hitch do more damage while the rest of my tools do damage

[rare grove]

Hera dash isn’t going to be the core of your offense by the second biome

[final sedge]

tell that to my supay using 4th grader 😄

[rare grove]

I’m good on talking to kids on the internet and will leave that to you; supay dash gets you though its weak early game, but blitz/splash/scorch is gonna carry it more

blitz attack Hera special Supay will win almost by itself

[final sedge]

i don't remember if I kept her victory screen... lemme see if I can figure it out

but it definitely cleared a lot of mobs for her

[rare grove]

oh it’s not bad, don’t get me wrong

It just isn’t what’s going to defeat chronos

Need other sources of firepower for that

Impressive that a fourth grader got a win tho, good parenting so you’re the real winner here no matter what boons or aspects were taken

My niece gave up after 20 minutes

[final sedge]

she had apollo attack and ares special and cast. @rare grove but I can't see the damage screens

I videotaped her little victory dance and face, which was precious, but I'm not sharing, because she's my daughter

[split igloo]

I got blitz attack, scorch special last time I played, was very strong, scorch pops blitz automatically
hestia or zeus rush are both fine

[opal pecan]

I wonder what the maximum RNG run would be, in terms of things the player can pick

[median anvil]

great chaos above with approval process 2 modded in

[opal pecan]

Why above? :P

[median anvil]

more rng on surface

[opal pecan]

Got Ephyra though 👀

[median anvil]

you said maximum rng not most difficult 🤷‍♂️

[opal pecan]

Oh I don't mean about difficulty, I mean because it lets you pick which rooms (which feels like less RNG than the alternative)

What did you mean?

[median anvil]

thessaly and olympus

absolute rng fests, both of them

[opal pecan]

Ahhhh fair enough yah

[zenith olive]

omg i had one of my best builds ever

and died to chronos turning me into a child

im genuinely so sad

i had like 80% of my full hp still and died anyways

[wanton gale]

Hey all. Im in a bit of undecisivness. I dont know what staff to invest in. Its between melinoe staff or circe. I understand circe can do some serious damage but i cant find any useful info how to play with it. Ive been looking at some videos but all i see is effects i cant really tell how they play.

[rare grove]

get storm ring and have two storm rings. No need to overthink it

[wanton gale]

Sweet, could you just break down for me how to play with it? The thread thing is confusing to me

[final sedge]

mel staff also great, they don't play the same. get them both

[zenith olive]

i like taking hestia cast too

[final sedge]

Pick the bird, lay down your cast, and the bird will lay down a cast too... so like two casts... it's pretty good. You don't have to try to exploit the thread between them.

[wanton gale]

I get this part. Do you then just stay in your cast and attack or do u move around until u cast again ?

[final sedge]

try to ignore the pet and just know the lazer that connects you two is like extra damage, but don't have to worry about it more than that... just do your thing until you cast again, year

you don't need to stay in your cast at all, just play staff like normal but emphasize your cast

[wanton gale]

Thanks 🫡

[final sedge]

👍

[opal pecan]

You don't really need to pick between them, the game will give you more than enough resources to unlock and max everything out

It's not like the first game, they were careful to make it so that everything is more accessible

[wanton gale]

Thats good to hear. In the first game i had to priorize a lot. More fun to use different ones. Im at the start of the game i would say. I died 2 times in chronos last phaze but never beat him yet. Started playing yesterday its a lot of changes since hades 1

[opal pecan]

Definitely! There are plenty of familiar elements, but it's quite distinct.

[raven parrot]

U started playing yesterday and already got to chronos? Im guessing hes the final boss lol

I got the game yesterday and got to tartarus today. Dont even remember how I died but thats the farthest I got

Anyone got any tips? I have never played hades before. Just unlocked the scythe greataxe because I thought it looked dope asf. Is it viable enough to make a build out of it? If so what to get and prioritize?
So far Im trying to level up the pink gods keepsake

[split igloo]

all weapons are viable, as for the axes, you would want Apollo or Aphrodite attack

[raven parrot]

How valid is the spin? I find it does a decent amount of damage but I feel u time it properly to punish

Like some bosses I gotta know if that window is punishable or not

[split igloo]

the spin is very good with certain hammers like psychic whirlwind

but Thanatos is fast enough so that you can just spam regular attacks, note that all axes have a dodge offset a la Bayonetta, you keep your combo as you dodge

[raven parrot]

ueah I notcied that. Its pretty weird spacing the third shot though. Probably just not used to it yet

Are there any specific combos with the axe? Animation cancels etc?

[uneven palm]

Here’s how to Circe https://www.leereamsnyder.com/hades-2-build-guide#aspect-of-circe-staff

[frank siren]

Id say dont worry about the psychic leash until youre ready to really maximize circe's potential. It can actually put in a lot of work when you dont have any boons or builds going

[wanton gale]

Love that website, got me through hades 1

We got the first clear boys. Circe is crazy nice a bit repetetive style but very effectice

[fathom wagon]

hi im having trouble on 62 fear

i beat 62 fear surface but cant crack underworld

chronos is horrid

[crude gorge]

I have images of my current build rn before chronos can yall confirm if it is good?

[mystic mango]

Chronos is arguably the hardest boss in the game and the only one that might take that spot from him is Rivals Scylla or Rivals Prom

[mystic mango]

The only bad build is the one that doesn’t make time

[crude gorge]

Snuffed candle, Preperation, Patience, Contingency, Steadfast, Seething Marauder, Controlled Burn, Pyro Technique, Nimble Limbs, Spiritual Affirmation, Uncanny Fortitude, Molten Touch, Colossal Slash, Casty Retreat, Hard Target, Flame Flourish & Blinding Rush using the Moonstone Axe

Arcana:

The Sorcereress, Persistence, The Centaur, Origination, The Messenger, The Wayward Son, The Huntress, Night, The Entrantess, Swift Runner, The Moon, The Furies & Death

Thoughts?

[mystic mango]

No attack boon? On the weapon that does basically nothing but dash attack and special

Controlled burn also doesn’t do very much for you since you rarely if ever use your omega special on axe

Otherwise I mean you’ve really just got a lot of safety boons

A solid build for just clearing runs but you’re gonna need more stuff to actually do damage if you want to start adding fear

But idk what your times are

Hestia special is solid for axe because of the multi-hit but you definitely want a % attack boon because of the high base power

[crude gorge]

Fear?

[mystic mango]

Fear being the way to increase difficulty so you can earn resources to upgrade your weapons

You pick and choose ways to make the game harder

Fear is required if you want to 100% the game but not required to reach credits

[crude gorge]

My dude ive never made it past chronos

Idk what fear even is, I just started the game

[mystic mango]

Well I didn’t know 🤷‍♂️

But yeah your build is very safe but lacking some damage

[crude gorge]

I died and lost to chronis again 😔

[mystic mango]

Try to get somebody like Apollo or Aphrodite for your attack on Axe

[austere trail]

you're in the builds channel so it's kind of assumed

there's a new player channel if you don't want spoilers

[crude gorge]

Well I didn't wanna put it in new players channel and get yelled at

[austere trail]

why would you be yelled at

[crude gorge]

Im always yelled at 😔

[broken spoke]

What if you get yelled at not being in new player channel instead

You can't win

[crude gorge]

I never can smh 😭

[austere trail]

fortunately no one's yelling

[broken spoke]

Time to turn on my CAPS LOCK

[crude gorge]

Thankfully I don't care about spoilers

[crude gorge]

Also I use the omega special alot wdym? It is good for clearing out enemies

[mystic mango]

It’s not bad just takes a good bit of startup is all

It’s not great for boss damage

It’s solid for room clear but cycling dash attack and special does a lot better on bosses

[fathom wagon]

i find rivals scylla and prom much easier comparatively, they are scarier but rivals chronos on frenzy i just dont understand

i need to practice

[mystic mango]

Entirely depends on whether you find patterns or unpredictability harder

[fathom wagon]

chronos feels unpredictable

i think im just going to grind frenzy 2 chronos

[mystic mango]

After watching other people fighting him and doing him myself he seems very predictable if you know the fight

Watch people outright predicting his every move in real time

[hollow stag]

Is it beneficial to activate Vow of Denial to get your boons you want more likely?

[uneven palm]

Not much. It probably hurts more than it helps since you can’t stack a zillion boons, but if a non-core boon is essential to you it can help you get it

[mystic mango]

It can screw you out of stuff potentially

But it’s an option

[viral yew]

Every move has a wind-up, as long as you're spacing correctly the whole fight he's the same as any other boss

[fleet kite]

It can if you’re careful, but eventually you might run out of eligible boons and the game will then force you to do sacrifices (swapping one of your core boons)

One of the only gripes I have about Lee’s website for this game (amazing resource tho) is that he casually recommends it so you can find the boons you want

[vernal quiver]

tbh i find the game easier to play with denial but im also a high fear sweat

since like the ability to just remove the garbage out of a boon pool is amazing, and very rarely does it hurt since most gods you only want like 2 things anyway

[fleet kite]

Room 1 and Hera offers strike and gain 😭

[vernal quiver]

it makes getting hereditary bane super consistent, grievous blow, snow queen, trusty shield, all these boons that are core reasons why the god is so strong become available guaranteed almost in a run

[vernal quiver]

just settle with a different gain or attack

[fleet kite]

She’ll never forgive me

[vernal quiver]

you sacrifice getting everything from the god to get just whats needed/strong

the only times it really hurts is when zeus offers me attack/special/cast on circe 😭

[alpine raft]

id rather that than rush gain divine vengeance

only 2 possible zeus offerings

[magic grove]

yeah when i'm playing without it i find it to be soo weird

[vernal quiver]

yeah like why is zeus showing me his rush and ionic gain for the 5th time in a row

[wild drift]

Yeah my low fear "fun runs" without Denial sometimes become "annoying runs" because of the core boon spam lmao

[uneven palm]

Denial’s definitely a gamble. Makes Debt go down smoother since you really can’t be buying 20 boons

[next crystal]

Is Morrigan percentage based?

[viral yew]

Morrigan triad damage can't scale

[uneven palm]

If you’re asking what Morrigan wants for damage, yeah you probably want a big percentage attack for the Omega attacks, which is gonna be a big driver of your non-triad damage

[next crystal]

So something like Apollo or Aphro?

[opal pecan]

Apollo's AOE increase is also extra helpful in this case

[next crystal]

And it works with expectional Talent?

(There is a lot I need to learn build crafting wise

[uneven palm]

Yeah Apollo is probably best in slot for Morrigan attack. You get more Omega chits on big bosses since the slash echos can overlap, and you’re starting to open up Exceptional Talent

[next crystal]

Then you can do whatever from there?

Which is interesting since Artemis kinda relies on percentage too

[uneven palm]

Here’s some ideas for Morrigan https://www.leereamsnyder.com/hades-2-build-guide#aspect-of-the-morrigan-blades

Your biggest power spikes are hammers or Exceptional Talent, but you can also build up like big blasts or Zeus on special.

[vernal quiver]

morrigan is a weird one, because 99% of the time it doesnt care whats on anything, its attack sequence hits multiple times quickly so scorch and waves work but % scales great with it, the special stinks so its only purpose is triad and orig setup

and if you focus on triad you dont have to care about a single thing since triad will kill everything

[opal pecan]

The only thing you absolutely don't want on Morrigan is Dancing Knives or whatever that hammer is that makes your special chain to different enemies

[vernal quiver]

yeah that ruins your sequences, but anything else works its a super flexible weapon

[opal pecan]

Morrigan special is slow and this means you literally don't have a special to triad with for ages

[vernal quiver]

and for high fear you do kinda lean into apollo final slice nonsense but even then other stuff still works fine

[next crystal]

I migjt try and work percentage with aphro with aspect of Artermis

[knotty ferry]

any suggestions for card layouts? new player here, i’ve got 16 grasp atm

[opal pecan]

Have you checked out the Arcana section in the pinned guide?

[knotty ferry]

i have not, i wasn’t aware of a pinned guide

[opal pecan]

Though, if you only have 16 grasp, I'm assuming you don't have every card unlocked yet

[knotty ferry]

correct

[opal pecan]

Then it might depend on what you do have, although the "non-negotiables" are obv the priority if you have them

[knotty ferry]

so would a good objective just be unlocking every card and getting more grasp?

[opal pecan]

Absolutely.

[knotty ferry]

is the best way just take ash rewards and spend bones on ash and psyche from the merchant?

that’s what i’ve been doing so far

[opal pecan]

Yup

[surreal hazel]

There is no wrong way honestly

[raven parrot]

Hey guys. Would I combine aphrodites boon with zeus' or demeters?

[viral yew]

Which boon and which aspect

[tall notch]

You would

[raven parrot]

Idk lol for the scythe

[manic shuttle]

Aphro attack, zeus special, dem cast

[frank siren]

https://youtu.be/ADIqmIib_-s?si=JV0EZwGJ3Jxm4SNN

Not sure if you want to see the surface yet but this is the strongest build I've ever made for Circe.

zeus cast is the strongest but I also lucked into heinous affront with light smite in region 1

[wanton gale]

Ive done surface ill take a look at it

[frank siren]

if you ever see zeus, apollo, and ares together, it's worth trying to build into heinous affront with light smite

[dense shadow]

anyone got anu builds for axe

?

[dense shadow]

dayummm

just wanna experiment with ax

[frank siren]

which axe?

[dense shadow]

ngl

any (besides nergal i havent unlocked yet)

im seeing mentions of than ax?

[uneven palm]

Charon’s easiest. Apollo gain. Go

[viral yew]

You mean thantrash

[frank siren]

i dont play axe much these days but you cant go wrong with psychic whirlwind and apollo on attack

spin to win

[dense shadow]

which aspect

[dense shadow]

dam
whyy you so mnegative all the time/j

[viral yew]

It's on of the last 3 aspects to clear max fear, dw it's fine in normal fear

[icy crypt]

can morrigan get trick knives

[manic shuttle]

Nope

[lyric summit]

I wish 🫢

[icy crypt]

what does pan give trick knives that the other aspects don't have anyway
just the homing?

[lyric summit]

Yeah by placing down your cast, all those knives you throw out with dash attack will home in rather than just hit air

Extremely strong and very viable in high fear

[lyric summit]

You can opt for Apollo attack with the Final Slice hammer then keep spamming the regular attack since the range is massive
It honestly feels just as satisfying imo 👌

[icy crypt]

can artemis parry tongue

or chin

[glossy jetty]

Considering it's supposed to only parry projectiles, most likely no

[opal pecan]

What? That's not correct. Parry can even block Chronos instakill attacks, it definitely isn't only projectiles. The in-game wording is "most types of direct attacks"

You may be getting things mixed up with Athena's Deflect. That's quite different from the Artemis gimmick.

[glossy jetty]

Whoops

[final sedge]

yes, parry can block those

[tame vector]

What's your go-to cast for Pan?
Having trouble with high Fear