Apollo and Poseidon are high power and apply a curse
#h2-builds-and-combat
wild drift
turbid karma
Hm? Why not ares cast for charon?
viral yew
Hm? Why not ares cast for charon?
Because the blades are not great and the cast doesn't do any extra damage outside of that, nor does it apply a curse
turbid karma
oh fair
fluid plank
If I do fear 32 on nyx coat but only done fear 8 before then would I get nightmares for lower fears or it's same as it was in h1
mystic mango
If I do fear 32 on nyx coat but only done fear 8 before then would I get nightma...
You just need to be above the minimum requirement for the testament bounty for the weapon you’re playing
But you don’t get credit for more than the current testament
So if the bounty is 8 fear for coat to kill Scylla and you go do it on 32 fear you still just get credit for the 8 fear
fluid plank
Oh ok fantastic cause I had full blown fomo
ancient scroll
is bolstered array better than fetching array on medea?
wild drift
Both pretty much do nothing tbh
mystic mango
Both aren’t really necessary if you play the weapon normally
flint widget
the trio of nothing burger hammers on medea:
rapid driver
bolstered array
fetching array
lowk if i saw all those three hammers being offered to me at the same time
instant reset
night lagoon
Apollo or Poseidon cast is best since they do their damage in one burst, plus you already want Apollo for his MP regen
night lagoon
is bolstered array better than fetching array on medea?
Fetching Array is worthless
flint widget
poseidon is better tbh since blinding rush exists
night lagoon
And Bolstered is bad on Medea since you only ever pull one pin at a time
ancient scroll
damn
alpine raft
whats the worst latest model hammer
wild drift
From what I've seen most good hammers get good upgrades so it's probably just gonna be bad hammers lol
flint widget
whats the worst latest model hammer
possessed array
changes the magick lost from 25 to 20 
alpine raft
yea seeing that in boasting is what made me think about it
spiral wadi
only now i realized dem winter harvest still uses her same "die" lines to cerb :(
real mist
Hey I’m stuck between aspect of Thanatos and Charon, which one is better overall and why??
flint widget
charon
vernal quiver
charon yeah, thanatos is extremly flexible in how you can build it(attack speed lets executioner chop shenanigans, psychic whirlwind will always be crazy, you can even be funny with ocast) but charon ultimately is faster with less effort and will just nuke things
fluid plank
Charon is amazing but it has basically one requirement get Apollo regen
And when using Charon remember that you can dash while charging omega special
Basically you try to get all omega casts and some decent % special
thorny junco
Wait, did charon got changed? Cuz the hammer than says ospecial triggers twice no longer triggers to ochast twice.
vernal quiver
you can still do that just you have to place the cast a 2nd time between the 2 Ospecs
visual briar
Hi all! Any good Nergal build? I know I need to get psychic whirlwind and use strength. Any good boons / goods / keepsakes?
vernal quiver
uhh if youre post credits then its jpom -> chrolex -> anything -> fang/pin/antler for each region, gods just go for a big%(preferably hera or zeus) on attack and if you go zeus get arc flash
thats about it really its a super simple weapon the second you get psychic
visual briar
Not post credits yet. But Nergal maxed
vernal quiver
ok then hera will probably be the best to put on attack since hitch is crazy, then just find another place to put a curse to prock orig, otherwise its kinda just spin and everything dies
visual briar
So it’s just basically omega attack spam. I guess curse on cast is good.
wild drift
Apollo is ok for a bigger spin too, and add Demeter in any case for Weed Killer
fluid plank
For nyx coat high fear jpom or regular build with re rolls
wild drift
Answer is always JPom
wild drift
Only aspect with at least 10% usage of a god keepsake region 1 on https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/Stats is Charon
flint widget
and for a good reason as well
part of the struggle of high fear charon is getting a good gain midway through the first region
so people lock in like apollos keepsake to guarantee lucid
wild drift
If I ever get around to doing Charon on 62 it's gonna be Judgement no Forfeit and reset for Lucid Gain start lol
fluid plank
How you guys avoid getting dmg I feel like when I charge my coat I get Always some chip dmg
lyric summit
65 Charon has been me resetting for Gigaros and playing like Mel axe until I get a good gain 😭
lyric summit
How you guys avoid getting dmg I feel like when I charge my coat I get Always so...
Kbm or controller?
fluid plank
Kbm
wild drift
The Omega boost?
fluid plank
Like bosses is no problem
Yes omega boost
Or for small encounters don't use omega boost to big groups of enemies
wild drift
It helps to charge it while enemies are spawning
And to keep your sprint up as much as possible, like instead of standing still, sprint back and forth
fluid plank
Ok because I didn't have that problem doing underworld
But on surface I'm chipped to bits
lyric summit
Kbm
Drop cast between yourself and enemy/ies and you can spam click special over and over then go in for a dash attack while the specials launch in at them
Controller is mainly dash attack spam with some specials sprinkled in but aiming is kinda bad 😭
Honestly why I think Shiva is probably the best Coat aspect for Controller
flint widget
i play with controller and i still special spam like my life is on the line
spark crown
~~Honestly why I think Shiva is probably the best Coat aspect for Controller~~
BOOOO ASPECT OF SHIVA
Wish I could play h2 more 
flint widget
~~Honestly why I think Shiva is probably the best Coat aspect for Controller~~
not even nyx is crazy
lyric summit
BOOOO ASPECT OF SHIVA
It’s the only coat I’ve managed to get to 65 😭
Aiming the special on controller drives me insane
final sedge
What is the strongest low fear build against surface rivals typhon? I want to defeat him at least once but I always die to taking excessive damage from chronos and then not having much life left when I get turned into a child and not being able to practice the dodging required.
I’m thinking maybe I need to go in with death defiances.
final sedge
~~Honestly why I think Shiva is probably the best Coat aspect for Controller~~
As one who has never played with keyboard and mouse’s only Nintendo switch controller, I wonder what the game is like with mouse aiming. Seems like a different game entirely in my imagination.
fluid plank
@final sedge basically kbm imo is easier for low mobility weapons but harder with high mobility weapons like meadea
For me personally bows from H1 or torches or Charon axe are perfect kbm weapons
Also did since you doing surface low fear rivals Charon axe vlcould be great option
You just need to find lucid gain from Apollo and your build is done
Stupid amount of damage and anything works really except lucid gain feels almost mandatory
fickle ocean
Is there any build links for hades 2?
proper cloak
As one who has never played with keyboard and mouse’s only Nintendo switch contr...
its simply better
timber fossil
Can I have 2 duo boons for the same god at a time? Like can I have the Zeus+Hestia and Zeus+Hera at the same time?
mystic mango
Is there any build links for hades 2?
Check the pinned messages in this channel
mystic mango
Can I have 2 duo boons for the same god at a time? Like can I have the Zeus+Hest...
Yes you can have as many duo and legendary boons as you have the required boons to access
If you check the god offerings list you can see the duo requirements and formulate what the best setup is for the best possible duos and legendaries with your god pool, but I often stray away from relying on them to get a functional build
But if you have Hestia attack, Zeus special, Demeter cast, Heph dash/gain and static shock, you can 100% get freezer burn, thermal dynamics, hail storm, cryo pounder, chain reaction and master conductor all at once if your luck is that insane
The most duos you can have with the standard 4 god pool is 6 and it’s possible depending on the god pool to get 4 legendaries all at once
viral yew
However actually getting enough boons and rolling all of them is a different story
fickle ocean
Check the pinned messages in this channel
Kk thx
glossy jetty
However actually getting enough boons and rolling all of them is a different sto...
If you're good at the game you hit every legendary and every duo every time trust 
timber fossil
The most duos you can have with the standard 4 god pool is 6 and it’s possible d...
I've just been trying to get king's ransom and the game just refuses to give it to me even tho I've had the required boons like 10 runs in a row T_T
mystic mango
Yeah it’s one of those I feel like never shows up when I actually want it and always shows when my build is like 90% Hera crutch
icy crypt
does fine line trigger twice if your omega fires twice
mystic mango
Uhhhh I’m actually not sure. I think it’s tied to the activation
viral yew
does fine line trigger twice if your omega fires twice
Which omega are we talking about
viral yew
or just anything with apollo lego
No it doesn't then
real mist
Charon is amazing but it has basically one requirement get Apollo regen
Yeap I did, it’s truly monstrous
I got another cool weapon I like, well many but it’s Medea which I just can’t use idk why, I feel like I hit but the skulls do dmg only if I dash over the targeted area or if some time passes (?) idk honestly. But aspect of moros seems really good and really fun too
wild drift
With Medea you have to hit the enemy with your special (or wait 3 seconds after pressing the attack but that's not good) for the attack to do damage
real mist
With Medea you have to hit the enemy with your special (or wait 3 seconds after ...
Do I do the special or the omega?
Is omega good here?
wild drift
Medea plays mostly without omegas, Oattack if you really need range
wild drift
It was my favorite aspect until I started playing at much harder difficulty because it's very unsafe, but it kills enemies faster than almost anything
lapis acorn
i personally really like the Persephone skull
spiral wadi
i personally really like the Persephone skull
it's prob the most fun skull fr
funny car
lapis acorn
it's prob the most fun skull fr
That plus JPom can lead to some really crazy builds
real mist
It was my favorite aspect until I started playing at much harder difficulty beca...
Yea I tried it and yea it’s very fun but extremely risky I had to be very focused not to die
I’m loving Charon ngl it’s so dope but I never get all the blessings I want
lapis acorn
I really like the Thanatos axe because beyblade mode with the Oattack is so much fun
lyric summit
Than and Charon are interesting in that they’re super fun and probably some of my favourite Axepects to play below 62F yet the most unfun at 65F and above 😭
lyric summit
I really like the Thanatos axe because beyblade mode with the Oattack is so much...
Psychic whirlwind with Seething is a nice build 👌
fluid plank
So for fear 62 what is your recommended choice to beat like easiest weapon
viral yew
mel or circe staff
lapis acorn
Than and Charon are interesting in that they’re super fun and probably some of m...
Not really sure how than with 30+ fear works but it’s been my fave aspect since the beginning. Tbh I’m not a huge fan of Charon tbh
viral yew
Still super hard to do, nothing you can choose will make it easy
lapis acorn
mel or circe staff
any non staff options?
lyric summit
Mel Skull or Eos imo
viral yew
any non staff options?
Mel blades, eos, nergal/mel, mel skull, and nyx
lyric summit
Both strong and super safe from a distance
lapis acorn
Mel blades, eos, nergal/mel, mel skull, and nyx
No than?
lyric summit
Than is hell
lyric summit
Nergal sorta does Than’s role but better 😭
viral yew
What do you mean ew no?
Worst axe aspect
lapis acorn
Worst axe aspect
lyric summit
Than is probably the worst at 62
Charon hands down worst at 65 😓
flint widget
Mel blades, eos, nergal/mel, mel skull, and nyx
whys perseph not there, perseph is hella safe
lapis acorn
Than is probably the worst at 62
Charon hands down worst at 65 😓
Nuuuuuuuuuu than good I’ll prove it
flint widget
thanatos is good on low/mid fear but on high fear it just really sucks
either needs psychic or zeus attack in order to feel ok to play
lyric summit
Nuuuuuuuuuu than good I’ll prove it
Thanatos Max Fear still needs to be done so maybe you can prove us wrong 😄
lyric summit
It has done 55 Fear yes 🤡
Ngl though so far for my 65s, Than and Shiva have been the hardest to get done 💀
Charon might prove me wrong tho 💀 💀
lapis acorn
Thanatos Max Fear still needs to be done so maybe you can prove us wrong 😄
I’ll prove y’all wrong rn
(Should I record my runs?) not sure if it would be important to (in case I win or not)
(im running on pure delusion rn since i dont play high fear lol)
lyric summit
(Should I record my runs?) not sure if it would be important to (in case I win o...
It's worth keeping your background recording on just in case you get a godlike run ye
viral yew
(Should I record my runs?) not sure if it would be important to (in case I win o...
In about 6 months when you start getting close, then record
lyric summit
Accidentally got a nice speedrun once and thankfully bg recording snagged the footage lol
lapis acorn
first attempt went about as well as i thought it would lol
only lasted 2 minutes in erubus
mostly due to the healing I got from the hades boon i got from Jpom
viral yew
first attempt went about as well as i thought it would lol
What fear?
lapis acorn
67 lol
flint widget
67f
fluid plank
Omfg locked myself out of special omega
On Charon axe
Right before ||Typhon|| on fear 32
austere trail
max fear is what it sounds like, all vows turned on
fluid plank
Still beat him
lapis acorn
max fear is what it sounds like, all vows turned on
and thats exactly what I tried to do
austere trail
you're likely missing vow of rivals 4
lapis acorn
any recommended familiars (i was using raki)
lapis acorn
you're likely missing vow of rivals 4
nope i have it
flint widget
bro use gale
austere trail
what's your highest fear clear?
real mist
I really like the Thanatos axe because beyblade mode with the Oattack is so much...
Oh I love Charons explosive bursts of dmg it’s so cool
But it’s extremely easy to die as well
lapis acorn
what's your highest fear clear?
uhhhhhhh 32 I think? but idk
flint widget
32f to 67f jump 💀
austere trail
might want to try out 40F, 50F, 62F
real mist
I’m thinking of trying moros for a while I’ve heard it’s pretty good
austere trail
and even then you want to have smaller increases probably
flint widget
aint even a jump thats a goddamn rocket launch
austere trail
32F to 67F is just not feasible, especially when you're not even sure you did 32F
lapis acorn
i have done 32F
austere trail
so try 40F first, then gradually increase it
lapis acorn
32F with flames
flint widget
32F to 67F is just not feasible, especially when you're not even sure you did 32...
i know a person who has done a 20f to 60f jump but thats like one in a million
austere trail
I assume they were like, absolutely goated at other, similar games
lapis acorn
which is easier to run UW High fear or Surface High fear?
flint widget
if u want easier encounters but harder bosses uw
if u want the exact opposite surface
viral yew
uhhhhhhh 32 I think? but idk
Metal 2.0
viral yew
No
flint widget
tho latter half of surface is absolute torture to deal with
sacred quest
Question how come 67 fear has been beaten so much quicker than 64 heat in hades 1 ? Why is it so much harder? I didn’t get deep into hades 1 but I’ve beaten 2
wild drift
More defensive tools, less luck-based difficulty options
flint widget
no ap and the existence of fates whim
wild drift
And fates' whim yeah
austere trail
https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzAsMCwyLDYsMSwzLDIsNSwwLDIs...
shadow + denial means you can take off rivals4
otherwise idk, seems fine enough. just need to try it out and see
max wards will give you trouble though
lapis acorn
i uh barely got out of erubus alive
ran out of time durin the hecate fight and lost a DD
viral yew
what would you recommend?
austere trail
I'm so bad at the game I'd rather take forfeit than scars2 and max return
real mist
How good is the black coat?
austere trail
aspect of nyx is top tier
real mist
Should I get that or look for one its aspects
Gotcha idk if I can build it yet
Damn
Oh it’s completely from chaos the materials alright I pray I find them
lapis acorn
died at rivals chronos 2nd phase had a damn good freezer burn scorch build
if I had to change it it would be to thishttps://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzAsMSwyLDYsMSwzLDIsNSwxLDIsMiwwLDYsMCwxLDAsOF0=
lyric summit
died at rivals chronos 2nd phase had a damn good freezer burn scorch build
Which aspect?
lyric summit
6 mins is very doable for Tart esp if you have Rivals4 turned off
lyric summit
if I had to change it it would be to thishttps://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalc...
Could be worth turning on Denial and Scars 2 in favour of Hordes + Wards
Axes sorta hate Wards
lapis acorn
Could be worth turning on Denial and Scars 2 in favour of Hordes + Wards
i dont like denial and scars scares me
lyric summit
Denial is a double edged sword, but it can make it easier to get certain boons you want
Plus it's a vow deffo worth getting used to for higher fears
lapis acorn
tbh i was going for Oattack but didnt get the hammer i wanted to so went for atk speed instead
lyric summit
Whirlwinds are nice for Than, but I'm also a proponent for Seething Marauder Than
It gives you +60 second hit for your attacks and you don't need to rely too much on your Omegas
lapis acorn
https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzAsMSwwLDYsMSwzLDIsNSwyLDIsMiwwLDYsMCwwLDIsOF0= so something like this for my 40f set up
lyric summit
That looks fine
lapis acorn
rivals hecate is a struggle but the others are fine except chronos
lyric summit
One could argue you can put in Hubris in favour of any other 2
lapis acorn
tbh i prefer hubris 2 over scars ngl
i really dont like forfit tho
that can go straight to Asphodel
lyric summit
In that case you could remove Grit +Hordes Or Scars 2 for Hubris
real mist
So I just got aspect of nyx, how strong is it??
viral yew
So I just got aspect of nyx, how strong is it??
Strongest coat aspect
viral yew
Strongest how?
Basically mel coat but better
real mist
Oh in every aspect then
real mist
I see alright
wild drift
Was just on a fun run where I had 10 Air and wasn't offered Air Quality and wondered, would Air Quality be broken if it had an additional condition that gave you a damage floor of 100 for 10 Air, 150 for 15 Air, etc.
flint widget
probably but would be balanced cuz aint no way someones getting 10 air or above in a regular run
glossy jetty
It'd probably be busted if it scaled like water fitness/slow cooker
real mist
I’m doing Olympus stuff rn and I saw the final boss and I’m confused at how I managed to stay alive for that long seeing all the mini bosses
Is Circe the best weapon for the surface or will anything else as good suffice and if so which ones? Also wasn’t ares supposed appear near typhon? Or am I tripping?
mystic mango
Is Circe the best weapon for the surface or will anything else as good suffice a...
Ares should be unlocked on your next run by reaching Typhon
real mist
Oh I gotta go there again
mystic mango
And “best weapon on _” is very subjective
Since like Circe is already just a very high tier weapon
But really there’s no “best weapon” other than Mel staff if you’re talking purely what has the most accolades
real mist
For these guys I’m currently on I just wanna go in, do big dmg, leave
I was thinking of Charon tbf
For that boss dps
fluid plank
Idk Mel(t) staff is just insanity
I killed Oceanus mini boss octopus before he was able to attack me
lyric summit
Idk Mel(t) staff is just insanity
Yeah Melting swipe is ridiculously strong
900 extra shield damage is insane 😵💫
mystic mango
“Oh, I see you have armor. Not anymore 
”
real mist
Idk Mel(t) staff is just insanity
Is it better than Circe?
Cuz with Circe I’ve had crazy stuff done
real mist
Btw I have a question, I was looking at the blooms from ares and honestly idk where I can use him like what weapon
mystic mango
Ares is generally considered bad cause he offers less % damage than other % gods and his bonus damage from wounds gets eaten by wards
Plasma also doesn't have that much benefit on 90% of aspects
Same goes for cut above
He's fun but not especially viable when you go for fear
real mist
He's fun but not especially viable when you go for fear
I see alright yea I’ll test it to see but yea
Oh btw is asp of pan good?
I got it at some point and never realized
mystic mango
Oh btw is asp of pan good?
It's not terrible and can be fun with the right build but generally it just does what Mel blades already does which is fiend for trick knives
You can make some funny ospec builds but the strongest way to play blades is still to just spam trick knives
real mist
You can make some funny ospec builds but the strongest way to play blades is sti...
Gotcha gotcha
Man there are so many weapons idk what is good and what not
mystic mango
The homing is strong for safety if you get something to throw out the cast but the fact you can't dash-charge the omega special like on charon is a big drawback
real mist
The homing is strong for safety if you get something to throw out the cast but t...
Yea I get that
Btw Charon is great offensively but I’m struggling with dodging
It seems slow ash to move
mystic mango
Man there are so many weapons idk what is good and what not
Generally your higher tier stuff is gonna be Medea, Mel Staff, Circe, Eos, Moros, Nergal, Nyx, Morrigan, Anubis, Mel skull
Maybe lump charon in there but it struggles at higher fear and is very build dependent
real mist
Generally your higher tier stuff is gonna be Medea, Mel Staff, Circe, Eos, Moros...
Ohhh awesome okay finally some clarity
mystic mango
Your highest tier stuff is the weapons that are considerably strong on their own before getting into build dependency
real mist
For enemies with hella ranged atks or just big atks in scale what are some good weapons that can dish dmg and have good mobility?
real mist
Your highest tier stuff is the weapons that are considerably strong on their own...
Oh awesome perfect
mystic mango
For enemies with hella ranged atks or just big atks in scale what are some good ...
Eos is easily your safest weapon in the game
real mist
Eos is easily your safest weapon in the game
Oh flames?
mystic mango
Can go grab a coffee while the daybreaker does all the work for you
real mist
Wait no lemme see what eos is
mystic mango
Lets you deal damage literally just by having daybreaker and ospec active
Let me grab a clip one second
real mist
Let me grab a clip one second
Oh okkkk
real mist
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1233146305308528650/1482338538862416075/H...
WHATTTTT
How is it so strong
mystic mango
Because the daybreaker can just go off and clear half the room for you
As long as you pay attention to where it is and go off in the other direction you can split up the work on room clear
And you can stack it on bosses to duplicate you damage from your normal specials
oh wait I got another clip one second
real mist
And you can stack it on bosses to duplicate you damage from your normal specials
Nah I’m stunned
It’s looks beautiful as well
real mist
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1233146305308528650/1491933064505331772/c...
No omg what
This is broken no?
mystic mango
It's not the highest damage weapon nor particularly broken
It just provides a lot of safety on normal room clear
As long as you have sorceress arcana you can throw it out with your ospec very quickly
Makes room clear basically a non issue
real mist
Makes room clear basically a non issue
Yea it’s really good
real mist
Moros has way more damage than Eos
Tbh I tried it today and I just can’t
Maybe I’m trash at it but idk
mystic mango
real mist
I followed a build and the magick was a massive issue
mystic mango
What'd you have for gain?
Cause basically anything other than Born, Flood, or Cardio isn't gonna cut it
And flood and cardio gain kinda suck without Jeweled Pom levels
mystic mango
Flood gain needs rarity and levels to be good since it can't carry you for very long
It's insanely good when it's good but otherwise you're left to fend for yourself for 8 seconds
real mist
Flood gain needs rarity and levels to be good since it can't carry you for very ...
Yea I have a ton to learn ig but yea
Also ummm I’ve only been trying those aspects on the normal maps
Not the special ones
mystic mango
real mist
Cuz uhhh my ocd keeps telling me to finish the main part
mystic mango
"Normal maps"?
mystic mango
Fear?
real mist
Yea not that, I’ve been doing the underworld and surface where you keep descending
The word doesn’t wanna come out
Not the portal but the stairs you take to go up and down next to it
real mist
Lmaoooo wait I’ll show you
mystic mango
There's just underworld and surface
Do you mean the chaos trials? You don't have to do those
mystic mango
I really don't get what you mean by "normal maps"
That's the only two things there are
Is surface and underworld
Turning on fear doesn't change anything
mystic mango
No it's just difficulty modifiers that are required to complete the testaments, which earn you nightmare so you can upgrade your weapon aspects
Not getting nightmare to make the aspects better is gonna make a lot of them absolute garbage
mystic mango
The fear requirements increase for that weapon every time you clear a testament with that weapon
it goes 1-2-4-8-12-16-20
real mist
Ah
mystic mango
You get 1 nightmare for 1-2-4 each
then 2 for 8-12
Then 3 for 16-20
So completing every testament with a weapon is a total of 13 nightmare
real mist
Oh that’s a lot of farming
mystic mango
Not really since you don't actually have to clear a run, just beat the designated boss
It's way less farming than Hades 1 was
And you eventually unlock the ability to get nightmare from the broker or charon
real mist
Hmm okay I’ll attempt that before going to beat the stuff after Olympus
mystic mango
Just play what you want and whatever has a testament in the direction you're trying to go
real mist
Just play what you want and whatever has a testament in the direction you're try...
Yea I’ll check it out myself later to understand what you mean
final sedge
I’m not sure if eos is good, but it seems fun to have a roomba friend helping you out.
viral yew
I’m not sure if eos is good, but it seems fun to have a roomba friend helping yo...
It's very good
final sedge
It's very good
Is it basically, get one out, omega special, and run around while it kills everything else for you on its own?
viral yew
Is it basically, get one out, omega special, and run around while it kills every...
Pretty much yep
final sedge
I’ve had better combos before but I just had aphro on attack and Hestia on special and dem on cast and it did pretty well.
viral yew
Yeah it works well with almost any attack boon
final sedge
I had aphro gain and got aphro legendary and typhon died pretty easily. Only got 30 damage from him.
wild drift
I don't like Aphro attack on Eos because to get the multiplier you'd have to stay close to the Daybreaker which kinda removes a big benefit of the aspect for me which is attacking in two places at once or from a distance
stuck plover
I don't like Aphro attack on Eos because to get the multiplier you'd have to sta...
It's at least a very good use case for that Aphro boon that makes all enemies count as nearby.
Though even if you get that in region 1 it's arguable whether that's even as good as just using Apollo attack
real mist
Hey I’m looking for builds and I see them having some he queen arcana but when I try to activate it I can’t cuz other 0 magick arcanas exist
Am I doing something wrong?
mystic mango
Hey I’m looking for builds and I see them having some he queen arcana but when I...
It requires you have no more than two of the same grasp cost arcana activated (not counting ones worth 0 arcana)
So activating persistence, furies, and huntress for example would deactivate it
Or sorceress, swift runner and wayward son
Most good builds won’t activate Queen
real mist
It requires you have no more than two of the same grasp cost arcana activated (n...
Right how come I not be able to activate it with its conditions but the build I found can?
mystic mango
If you are looking at a build off h2crossroads it entirely possible they misclicked it and didn’t actually meet the conditions
Use this @real mist https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck
And put your load out in there
And I can tell you if it’s valid
mystic mango
Invalid build
real mist
The build I’m using is the one from HookieDookie
mystic mango
3 2-cost cards
mystic mango
Doesn’t activate queen due to having 3 2-cost cards
Okay well then what’s the question
real mist
Right so it’s not me it’s their fault cool
If I was doing something wrong idk cuz 2 of the arcanes they have cannot be activated for me
mystic mango
@limpid spear Can you clarify. Did you ever tell them this would activate queen?
real mist
Yea ik I was confused with the queen part
mystic mango
Yeah you wouldn’t have queen
real mist
All good
mystic mango
If you got rid of sorceress and persistence and took lovers or artificer you would get queen
If you did that and took lovers you would keep excellence
Or drop messenger and keep sorceress
This is valid
limpid spear
I saw it in mobanalytics
Hey! Sorry about that, I did realize I added queen to a few builds I uploaded where it won't activate. I really should go back and fix them
Got confused with the horizontal builder 
But if you want Queen specifically, either arcana loadout that Kol just shared are good choices
real mist
No worries I was just making sure I wasn’t making any mistakes or whatever!
limpid spear
Personally, I'd just do stick full loadout and not deactivate any for queen, but ..
if you think you can survive with our the 40HP of persistence and you are fishing for some duos, it's worth not using persistence.
lyric summit
6045 jfc 😮
manic shuttle
furnace blast + grand caldera + rude awakening shenanigans
spark crown
How we doing build chat
spark crown
happy bday boy
Thanks checkmate
lapis acorn
Oh <:melblush:1420832990459859085> it's my birthday
Happy birthday
spark crown
Happy birthday
Thanks mate
spark crown
Now go defeat time
I beat time I just gotta beat school to dog walk time for a few more victory laps XD
green mist
Does the Huntress arcana, that gives bonus to Attacks and Specials when you have less than 100% mana, count Primed mana too, or just the available pool as 100%?
viral yew
Does the Huntress arcana, that gives bonus to Attacks and Specials when you have...
Just the available pool
mystic mango
6k heph blast
I genuinely lost it when I saw my dad hit a 3.35k heph blast that didn’t crit. They got a 8.4k though off a crit
Would have been over a 10k heph blast if it crit
manic shuttle
I mean yea this has only rude awakening
mystic mango
He isn’t on any server but he’ll send me a clip here and there and I don’t think he realized just how crazy that number was
Yeah I think he had cryo pounder
manic shuttle
Imagine adding all other duos and global damage boons
I had only furnace blast as a global damage increase unfortunately
delicate sorrel
Is Cardio gain good enough for medea + possessed array? It was epic lvl 4 so it restored 12 per attack or special. I felt that it might do well enough considering possessed array spends 25, but had Hera in the god pool so skipped it anyways
wild drift
In my eyes it's better than Born Gain for that but I don't really play PArray so I wouldn't know
Especially on Medea since you're always hitting with the special
vernal quiver
Is Cardio gain good enough for medea + possessed array? It was epic lvl 4 so it ...
If its that heavy invested then yeah, otherwise no
Born should always be the first take
vernal quiver
Same thing basically
flint widget
Is Cardio gain good enough for medea + possessed array? It was epic lvl 4 so it ...
yes
ancient scroll
for medea is it better to go for the attack boon first or the special?
flint widget
attack probably
ancient scroll
also can i go for aphro attack AND aphro special
wild drift
I think Aphro only beats Ares/Hera on attack and Zeus on special if you get stuff like Boosted Ignition or Colossus Driver
flint widget
probably, just get something for ur origination on ur cast and sprint
i like dem cast and apollo sprint
spiral wadi
yeaa hangover in h2 doesn't even count for orig for some reason
wild drift
Though Scorch is pretty much just reskinned Hangover but also better
Though I guess the difference is that the effectiveness of Scorch is tied to a tier 2 boon whereas the effectiveness of Hangover was tied to pomming the crap out of it
lapis acorn
I think it would be neat if after maxing out a relationship with one of the encounter type gods/godesses (Athena, Artemis, Dionysus) that they would rarely show up as boons as well as their encounters
dense moss
Now that I've rolled credits, could one of you ✨Professionals✨ guide me as to which Aspects are worth sinking my Nightmares into?
flint widget
what aspects did u spend nightmare into
mystic mango
Now that I've rolled credits, could one of you ✨***Professionals***✨ guide me as...
I mean it’s entirely subjective to what you enjoy 🤷♂️
But also you’re missing all the hidden aspects of you never maxed the non-Melinoe aspects
lyric summit
Now that I've rolled credits, could one of you ✨***Professionals***✨ guide me as...
Any particular weapon you vibe most with? 👀
mystic mango
You can’t find the hidden aspects for each weapon until you get one of the non-Mels to 5
dense moss
oh nooooo
dense moss
I mean it’s entirely subjective to what you enjoy 🤷♂️
maybe I'm too used to H1 where there's an obvious Best for each weapon (Nem Sword, Eris Rail, Hera Bow, etc.)
SG probably put more work into tuning on this game to keep them balanced
mystic mango
I mean your top 10 is probably gonna be
Medea
Mel staff
Circe
Nyx
Eos
Nergal
Moros
Mel skull
Persephone
Morrigan
In no particular order besides the top 3
dense moss
That's a start haha I appreciate it
somber beacon
maybe I'm too used to H1 where there's an obvious Best for each weapon (Nem Swor...
thats funny, i find myself preferring poseidon sword, hestia fail, and rama bow :P
mystic mango
That’s the most common top 10 I see but it varies by what fear is being considered and how build dependent you’re willing to get
Cause like Nergal is basically “if you don’t hit psychic you’re wasting time unless you’re really good at playing normal Nergal”
somber beacon
as for your question, i might recommend this site https://www.leereamsnyder.com/hades-2-build-guide
ctrl + f "Should you use it at low ranks?" to see which aspects like upgrades the most and which ones dont really need them
https://www.leereamsnyder.com/hades-2-build-guide#strong-low-rank-aspects
and this section lists aspects that are good even without upgrades, all in one place
assuming you dont care about spoiling what each weapon aspect does :P
mystic mango
Also just run jpom
If you’re not running jpom you’re just making the game harder
Unless you have an exact build that wins you the game there’s no reason to not run jpom
It lasts for the entire run, gives 3 Pom levels for free on every pommable boon, and gives you a hades boon, which in the case of stuff like Gigaros dash or Unseen ire is insanely strong
You give up rerolls but you make like 70% of the garbage tier boons in the game into actually viable options while making all the good ones even stronger
So there’s far less build dependency
Some examples like rapture ring literally quadrupling in damage at common due to the Pom scaling
Double static shock
Double chance on double strike
Quadrupled hereditary bane
Doubled trusty shield
spiral wadi
pov boon scaling is extremely stupid
ah yes heph's glow only goes up by 1% after a few poms
hereditary bane is additive and goes past 100% with +10% per level
mystic mango
We love queens ransom hered bane scaling to 250%
spiral wadi
pyro technique lv4 is literally triple the effective scorch speed
mystic mango
Yeah the scaling of Pom 1 usually meant to incentivize grabbing a Pom
But having that always active plus 2 more levels is absurd
spiral wadi
indeed
like i think the issue with poms in general is that they're not terrible they're just competing with other major rewards that are typically more valuable
so having jpom just throw lv4 on everything makes that problem worse
heph is also kinda literally the only god that is reliant on pom stacking
mystic mango
If Poms were more readily available and handed out more in a run but their power was scaled down I could see that being a reasonable change
But that makes the game fundamentally different and that would probably never happen
spiral wadi
i think they just need to be more consistent
hell make it so boons cap at lv5 but make the increase at lv5 stronger like some weird overdrive mode
mystic mango
2 second heph blast at level 5 lol
spiral wadi
ig there's rarity for that
ye jpom just makes atk blast 2sec at heroic 
maybe if jpom just made it so poms gave +1/2/3/4 lv instead of giving it on boon screen
mystic mango
Make the effects of Poms 50% stronger or something idk
spiral wadi
ye
mystic mango
You still have to go out of your way for Poms but it adds an incentive without making you stronger with zero effort
spiral wadi
mhm
it still does relate to pom disparity between boons from lv1 to 4
like grisly and tranquil especially go from being ass gains to playable gains
mystic mango
Glamour gain still ass but it’s just happy to be here
spiral wadi
cardio which was at least specialized in a particular playstyle became even more usable as a general gain
glamour still cool for orig
mystic mango
Cardio definitely is absolutely unuseable without Pom for most builds
Needs 7 hits for a single p-array
Vs 3 if you get common + 1 Pom
spiral wadi
i remember mentioning this in omen's chat at some point, i think it would've been very interesting if gains in general were unpommable like tough gain, but had better base values
mystic mango
Vs 3 if you get common + 1 Pom
Or just roll rare/epic
Lucid gain’s scaling makes it go from borderline nothing to actually decent for mid-magick builds
Still absolutely can’t keep up with p-array or fine line Moros though
spiral wadi
it is funny how lucid's behavior changed in 1.0 to be whenever cast expires instead of having to stand in the cast when it expires, in the same update with jpom beefing up lucid
i do like lucid's new behavior, makes it clear for ppl to "hey use ur damn cast"
idk i think lucid can power fine line moros, prob not w sudden burst which is the ideal moros hammer
and parray is parray
mystic mango
Yeah fine line + ocean swell is just too costly for lucid gain unless you absolutely never miss dropping your cast
spiral wadi
or winner's synergy
pov they make it so lucid causes cast to expire faster and give hermes a faster hex charging boon cuz how is that not a thing hermes has
mystic mango
It’s an option yeah though you’re probably hunting for nimble limbs or racing thoughts
spiral wadi
tru
mystic mango
Also I’ve seen people say nimble limbs is worthless but if you get your attacks out faster then that means throwing your omega sooner as well
Since it’s tied to the attack animation and not just a lone channel time
Even if you have insane omega speed it doesn’t matter if your attack animation is still slow
mystic mango
spiral wadi
for other weps not as much, it's not like u can throw blades special twice as fast
spiral wadi
funny boom is funny
mystic mango
Look at that omega speed
spiral wadi
tru
i wonder if it's like an exception that torches charge faster with plasma or if it's just a weird quirk
mystic mango
And that was only with attack speed buffs. No omega buffs besides sudden burst
spiral wadi
oatk torch do feel like their charge behavior is tied to atk
mystic mango
oatk torch do feel like their charge behavior is tied to atk
it’s does actually matter though since removing sorceress arcana makes omega attack come out on attack 4 not attack 3
Cause also in this situation my oattack was every 4th shot even though sudden burst usually makes it every 2nd shot
mystic mango
So if I had more channel speed it could have been every 3rd shot
gritty widget
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1233146305308528650/1490816485793202227...
i have decided to resume grinding 55f after watching this video
tulip cypress
Any tips for 32 fear with 2 time vows? or how do you all managed to clear sub 5 min per region efficiently?
viral yew
Any tips for 32 fear with 2 time vows? or how do you all managed to clear sub 5 ...
Biggest thing for clearing time 3 consistently is making sure your arcana and keepsake choices are good, and then optimising your pathing
With a few strategies, 20 minutes is plenty of time
tulip cypress
My run is in average 16-18 min
But the first region is the hardest to deal with
viral yew
What vows are you taking?
wild drift
Any tips for 32 fear with 2 time vows? or how do you all managed to clear sub 5 ...
Frieren WOULD have a problem with time lol
tulip cypress
What vows are you taking?
wdyt? I'm doing it with persephone skull? or is it better to use 2 rival?with 2 rival maybe I can do survface but note the underworld
viral yew
https://discord.com/channels/960469433233604618/1265936411903918101/149361953828...
I can't see this
tulip cypress
viral yew
This is really bad 😭
wild drift
Yeah Hordes is much worse than Grit for time
flint widget
holy screen brightness
viral yew
wild drift
Sure Grit makes bosses harder but the time save from not having Hordes can let you play safer vs bosses
flint widget
darker than the batman 2022
flint widget
dark side actually viable now wtf:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=th31bhOl9Iw
brand new tech discovered
viral yew
👀
flint widget
brand new tech discovered
also some cool axe tech also got discovered:
https://youtu.be/BjOMeh_8dfQ?si=oaGb0cVqdIB55GRS
https://youtu.be/Ho9B1et_L8c?si=yX82BC-pPDW56b39
austere trail
dang
vernal quiver
Hope it's not patched in 2 hours
patching that means removing any fluid feeling from like all the omega weapons so 😭
since then you wouldnt be able to dash mid omega charge which would break charons knees an insane degree
manic shuttle
They can still keep that and make it impossible to use your own omega moves during dark side
tulip cypress
Wait do I need to defeat hecate and cyclops to increase rival to 2?
viral yew
Yes
tulip cypress
Just need to defeat it or it I must win the run?
viral yew
Just need to defeat
indigo viper
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1265936411903918101/1493619537990652035/i...
Unlock higher levels of rivals.
Hoardes and ward are more or less antisynergy with time.
Or remove time and maxed out hordes, wards, debt and maybe something else. Did some similar run when rivals weren't available.
flint widget
im so ready to do dream dive, uw and surface 62f clears back to back
slate trench
Clang Gang is back baby! New winner's circle with heph cast and aspect of circe is cracked
turbid karma
has heph cast winner's circle not always been cracked? what changed?
wild drift
I haven't loaded in the update yet but the notable change will probably be Winner's Circle with something like Storm Ring
Don't know how it interacts yet exactly
bronze flax
I suppose the animation and damage is going to be faster
golden relic
Wait they made balance changes?
viral yew
Yes
golden relic
Reading these notes is like crack
silver root
Question, thinking about a night bloom run with Anubis and wondering if lone shades that are dashed through count as “raised servants”, any thoughts?
viral yew
Question, thinking about a night bloom run with Anubis and wondering if lone sha...
They don't
dreamy veldt
Ares buffs I can play the game again
bronze flax
Grisly Gain feels pretty great now, wow
final sedge
Grisly Gain feels pretty great now, wow
good to hear it! I'll try it soon
fluid plank
So with new patch did anything actually changed for any weapon?
Like a lot
Like it seems Ares is much better now
sand crow
holy- dream dives are incredible
bronze flax
Haven't gotten Sanguinary Savor yet, but Grisly Gain and Profuse Bleeding feel pretty cool, yes
sand crow
I'm pretty comfortable at like 35 fear in normal runs and I'm now dying in the first region of dream dives at that fear consistently
Grisly Gain is so nice
bronze flax
My babygirl Ares is feeling pretty fun now ngl
fluid plank
@sand crow what is dream dive
sand crow
<@375705559959339010> what is dream dive
It's a cool thing that you get after you ||awaken Hypnos||
fluid plank
Ohhh need to work on that I guess
urban pendant
Dancing Knives Pan is back? 
sand crow
really my only QoL issue remaining with Pan knives is that dashing cancels your Ω Special while it's firing
urban pendant
Oh wait I confused it with Hook Knives, I miss those things. Still, Dancing Knives is also good
sand crow
like it's already a pretty big risk to charge up a ton of specials, and the fact that dashing after firing eliminates the reward you're supposed to get from the extra time spent charging Ω spec feels really bad
sand crow
Oh wait I confused it with Hook Knives, I miss those things. Still, Dancing Kniv...
Remind me what hook knives were? it's been long enough that I've forgotten
sand crow
OH YEAH
urban pendant
So Pan + Hook Knives + Poseidon was just stupid damage
I understand why they removed the hammer, but it was a lot of fun
sand crow
They got rid of it and made it so that the base special could pierce and return right?
final sedge
I'm pretty comfortable at like 35 fear in normal runs and I'm now dying in the f...
i did a "easy 12 fear" run, only to get rivals typhon followed by rivals chronos lol
sand crow
i did a "easy 12 fear" run, only to get rivals typhon followed by rivals chronos...
WHAT
oh that's eeeeeeeeeeevil
Yeah the fear scaling hits WAY harder in dream dives. Good thing too
HEL Ω ATTACK IS ALMOST USABLE!
Still sucks you can't dash out of it, but it's so much faster that it might actually be worth going for
hexed spade
i did a "easy 12 fear" run, only to get rivals typhon followed by rivals chronos...
The extreme measures in H2 is no joke, not every fear level is the same.
stray pivot
Hows the new ares legendary?
slate trench
really my only QoL issue remaining with Pan knives is that dashing cancels your ...
This is literally the most important thing about Pan lol it legit makes or breaks it. Worst change to any aspect in the whole lifecycle of H2 when they made it cancel remaining knives after dashing. Completely killed such a fun aspect unless you trick knives and at that point it kinda defeats the purpose, Pan was designed to be like Charon from H1
pastel arch
What’s even a fun weapon to try and get the unseen card to work on, Momus? I feel like you gotta be spending a bunch of magic to make it even a little useful over just like, any gain boon
Hmm, maybe a judgement run
bold bear
Not gonna lie, Hel Omega was never actually a huge issue for me, and I don't think it's a big deal unless you're on Frenzy or Rivals (which admittedly are easy Fear takes)
sand crow
Not gonna lie, Hel Omega was never actually a huge issue for me, and I don't thi...
Unless you're wanting to play high fear, frenzy is lowkey a pretty terrifying take
I've been playing with it set to max for a long time, but it's insane how much easier the game becomes with even just frenzy 1, let alone frenzy 0
spiral wadi
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1218621088049659930/1493739773016408114/20260414152827-01KP71R743CRVW1EH3D1GQGYFW.jpg i'm not tripping balls right seismic just made my blasts cd longer
split igloo
what are the Ares changes, is he good now? or still sucks if you take wards?
spiral wadi
ares actually technically worse vs wards for low hp enemies, otherwise ares got extremely sizeable buffs
stray pivot
Its so much better
spiral wadi
grisly good, profuse solid from what i've heard
split igloo
what weapons would you take Ares on?
spiral wadi
idk if there's any specific wep for ares
besides selene but that's more like a forced one rather than yknow actually liking ares beyond godsent
and the fact that moon beam is currently bugged for selene coat if u don't see selene in region 1
split igloo
huh, how is it bugged, is it a newly introduced bug?
spiral wadi
it's been a thing for a while, it was discovered last patch
basically moon beam is supposed to guarantee seeing path of stars or selene for your next major reward
the issue is that in regions 2 following, it tries finding path of stars because it sees you have a hex
but you need to see selene reward first before path of stars is in the pool
so u don't actually get moon beam's "find selene" part until it rolls a selene door
split igloo
did they fix the tough gain bug in this patch at least
spiral wadi
what bug, the pomming?
split igloo
yeah, it's not pommable which makes sense, but if you get it as a sacrifice boon it gets all the levels
-15 per hit can be crazy
spiral wadi
idk if it's really a bug as much as it is just a funny
i'm sure it's actually a strat for low fear stuff
too annoying to really go for in high fear
brazen ore
omg ares is good now...
austere trail
🧑🚀 🔫 always was
austere night
omg ares is good now...
Which weapon were you enjoying ares on? About to finally hop on now that the kids are in bed. Haven't played since the fall.
south copper
Which weapon were you enjoying ares on? About to finally hop on now that the kid...
If you're trying to go full optimal, I'd say selenes coat just to get his godsend hex while you're at it
brazen ore
Which weapon were you enjoying ares on? About to finally hop on now that the kid...
selene coat is generally my "trying to make an ares build work" bc almost everything else i start with another god's boon on lmao. Medea skull Zeus/Ares is also a thing i've done from time to time
split igloo
I'm assuming Ares should be fine on any weapon you're comfortable with taking Apollo/Aphro on?
brazen ore
(but that's usually a "i started with zeus and then ares showed up" kinda thing)
vernal quiver
Ares is fine on any weapon as long as you hit grievous
Grievous singlehandedly makes him an insane god especially if you r4 antler and with denial on chances are youll get it
spiral wadi
ye ares is like a general support god usually
manic shuttle
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1218621088049659930/1493739773016408114/2...
Nah lvl 4 epic Volcanic flourish is 6 seconds normally
spiral wadi
Nah lvl 4 epic Volcanic flourish is 6 seconds normally
ye i got confused at the time lol
shoulda remembered numbers
true gust
Woah finally 2 post patch
Im back back back again
Now Im gonna play on my controller
bronze flax
How do y'all feel about Ares changes?
I still haven't gotten his Legendary in this update. Why is my babygirl doing this to me? 😭
vernal quiver
Bro went from a grievous bot to actually a fine alternative to the standard zeus/hera slop
gritty widget
in my opinion the perfect moros god build is apollo atk hera spec dem cast heph dash and pos/appollo/hera gain
vernal quiver
Bro forgot about blitz
gritty widget
Bro forgot about blitz
i likw blitz on diff stuff
But not moros
Hitch 3 orb special with apollo explosions
viral yew
i likw blitz on diff stuff
But not moros
Hitch 3 orb special with apollo explosi...
Blitz hitch would beat out that build easy
vernal quiver
Blitz/hitch slop my beloved
gritty widget
Blitz hitch would beat out that build easy
it does?
viral yew
Yes
stray pivot
I still haven't gotten his Legendary in this update. Why is my babygirl doing th...
They are pretty good!
bronze flax
Grisly Gain feels great, and Profuse Bleeding is fun
Now, Ares, please, cooperate. I want Sanguinary Savor
clever drum
How are the Ares buffs? Haven't had the chance to play new patch yet but glad he got some, they were needed
vital wave
Do we know which are the new boons buffed by Seismic Servo ? Reading the patch notes I would think of winner's circle but I don't have other ideas
vernal quiver
this gamemode got hands icl
r3 olympus is awful though especially with this mid ass build
and r1 fields made me so sad and strapped for timer i took fig r2
first run though so i cant complain too much
and we make it to r4 🗣️
i hate champs though time to renewed faith gamba
flint widget
fig scammed too
vernal quiver
yeah and then into assassin in erebus
like holy hell i had no damage that run lmfao and i missed renewed, it was not happening
but getting halfway through r4 with some terrible region luck is nice i have a half decent run in the bag fs
boonless thessaly is actually horrid who came up with this
vernal quiver
the temptation to antler this r4 dream dive
i will im too greedy
the build isnt even good im getting carried by fixed pos cast + grievous
WAIT ITS TART I CAN ANTLER THIS FOR FREE LMFAO
wild drift
Kinda wish they made it so that you can't get any region in the same spot it's supposed to be at tbh
(though I'm only just about to touch the mode for the first time in a bit)
vernal quiver
its my 2nd run on it ever and im at 62f gramps with antler lol
i dont feel the enemies being faster but i fs feel the hp scaling
woooo 62f dream dive is done
vital wave
Wait, I haven't played the New gamemode yet but with rivals on could it be possible to kill Charybdis twice, with rivals and Thessaly ?
viral yew
It is possible
spark crown
does ares legd still give double stats in the new patch
'Poseidon now becomes increasingly enthusiastic as Sea Star activates more times' Well then XD
wild drift
i dont feel the enemies being faster but i fs feel the hp scaling
I believe the speed multiplier only exists for region 1 and 2 enemies and (non-Rivals) bosses
vernal quiver
huh ok weird
austere trail
Def fine by me
spark crown
does ares legd still give double stats in the new patch
?
viral yew
:3
vernal quiver
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/912456622440325213/1493945556014465135/image.png?ex=69e0d0b8&is=69df7f38&hm=366385119dbb72c489d0375c4ca4f47f19819e61920501f0de642b18c70a99d7&
thats the description so idk
never get enough of ares to snag it, i get grievous from him then stop taking him lmao
spark crown
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/912456622440325213/1493945556014465135/im...
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
welp ares f teir fr fr
vernal quiver
fr
spark crown
my infinite attack speed morrigan NOOOOOOOOOO
its a good change but im sad to see double speed go
wish we had wound timer reduction now
then he'd be S teir
vernal quiver
that would be busted lmao
spark crown
*that* would be busted lmao
wish it was the legendary tbh
lyric summit
'Poseidon now becomes increasingly enthusiastic as Sea Star activates more times...
He has multiple voice lines for the sea star now and it’s wonderful 😂
Had like 5 separate lines in a run so there might be a lot more
vernal quiver
ok the game needs to stop giving me fields starts this is the 5th time in a row
ok yeah tart start lovely
theres no way it just went 2 tart starts in a row back to fields wtaf is this
ANOTHER TART WHAT THE HELL
theres no way this is real
does rerolling at the pact not do anything 😭
omfg it gave me olympus 😭 i hate this so much already let me play the game
gritty widget
ok the game needs to stop giving me fields starts this is the 5th time in a row
i was in this channel with this exact message on my screen when i hopped into my first ever dream dive and got a fields start
icy crypt
how much better is ares now
vernal quiver
i was in this channel with this exact message on my screen when i hopped into my...
there has to be some skewing to fields/olympus cuz like wtf 😭
or im just unlucky asf
as much as i wanna do 65f for dream dives it seems actually insufferable cuz zero consistency so yeah im not going past 62 most likely
vernal quiver
65f r1 tart where i get zero boons 🥀
vernal quiver
You only need one boon
i wouldnt even be able to get one cuz id time out before gramps and what if i get selene start
like its actually so bad how like 2/3 of what you can roll for starts is just an auto reset
gritty widget
there has to be some skewing to fields/olympus cuz like wtf 😭
i cant agree or disagree yet seeing as this is my first run
but what a coincidence LOL
luckily it seems like fields has been scaled down, full power fields wouldve been painful with only 1 boon
lyric summit
how much better is ares now
Legendary has improved by giving Power+100 for inflicting wounds. Grievous level scales better now and Sword ring’s stronger
vernal quiver
lmfao yeah its a bit silly
lyric summit
Cast might still need winners circle to be viable tbh
Did a 65 Circe with Sword ring and it still felt garbo
lyric summit
OMG SUMMIT ON REGION TWO
Rivals too?
gritty widget
lmfao yeah its a bit silly
who gives a player who JUST HOPPED INTO THEIR FIRST RUN fields and summit back to back
vernal quiver
Did a 65 Circe with Sword ring and it still felt garbo
yeahh i mean swords not stacking already makes it iffy
gritty widget
Rivals too?
ofc not
an 
chill 26f
lyric summit
yeahh i mean swords not stacking already makes it iffy
It’s so bad 💀
Tidal Cast stacks froth now which is kinda nutty
Might give that a go later with Cersei
vernal quiver
ofc not
an <:omegasymbol:1248742779807596707> chill 26f
yeah i think my opinion of dream dive is violently skewed by 62f+ lmao cuz like 62 anything works as per usual but anything past that and omg this mode sucks
gritty widget
yo geniunely
what am i supposed to do about typhon
please tell me everything is super weak and scaled down
lyric summit
yo geniunely
what am i supposed to do about typhon
please tell me everything is ...
They are ye
vernal quiver
Tidal Cast stacks froth now which is kinda nutty
yeah the dream dive 62 i did went crazy with it, missed winners circle too and i was still shredding things
gritty widget
yeah i think my opinion of dream dive is violently skewed by 62f+ lmao cuz like ...
attempting 62f in a region randomiser
you are brave in a way i will never be
gritty widget
They are ye
phew
lyric summit
attempting 62f in a region randomiser
you are brave in a way i will never be
You’ll do 62F soon trust
vernal quiver
attempting 62f in a region randomiser
you are brave in a way i will never be
i did it 2nd try so 😭 but i did get thessaly -> fields -> ephyra -> gramps and antlered r4 so :P
umbral plank
<:melpray:1420832999058182144> who gives a player who JUST HOPPED INTO THEIR FIR...
the scaling is quite profound, I got fields then summit and they were no problem even with few boons 20 fear VoR 4
vernal quiver
which is probably one of the best routes you can hope for
lyric summit
I got it first try with the luckiest combos of regions lmao
gritty widget
You’ll do 62F soon trust
gritty widget
i did it 2nd try so 😭 but i did get thessaly -> fields -> ephyra -> gramps and ...
u pro
good job
m proud
vernal quiver
lmao yeah now youre only getting olympus starts into summit and thessaly
gritty widget
yo thats sum massive dmg from a horror
didnt cast fast enough and got rushed
vernal quiver
like actually i think id rather do 67 reset hell than 65f dream dive reset hell cuz my god
since 67 at least is consistent 😭
lyric summit
inserts Arachne scam, Echo scam, Dissent scam
surreal hazel
I wonder if mel comments if you roll a normal run ordering
vernal quiver
yeah but those are doable, not 30 gazillion olympus/selene starts 🥀
lyric summit
Selenary circle
vernal quiver
selenary circle and youre dropped into tart
lyric summit
vernal quiver
I wonder if mel comments if you roll a normal run ordering
if anyone does a dream dive 67 its gonna be this lmfao
lyric summit
Fields start is pretty nice for 65F
vernal quiver
it is yeah since you have a bunch of artificer targets just timer eats the hell out of you
lyric summit
Artificer the minor rewards and you have 2 boons you can choose. Similar to Ephyra
vernal quiver
but like having and not having gigaros is such a violent difference since the enemies are scaled down but not like fully
lyric summit
Truuuu
vernal quiver
so i have to roll a what like 1:9 for gigaros and a 1:8 for a fields start
just to see if im getting a selene or onion start
gritty widget
yo what
typhon did nothing
this might geniunely be easier than a normal run on low fear
surreal hazel
if anyone does a dream dive 67 its gonna be this lmfao
Ephyra, oceanus, olympus, summit. Calling this the best 67 run
surreal hazel
What would you put there instead, thessaly lol?
gritty widget
olympus after summit is hilarious
surreal hazel
Ah. Maybe?
vernal quiver
like genuinley best case is avoiding like 3/4 of surface 😭
surreal hazel
olympus after summit is hilarious
Zone 4 rivals prometheus gonna kick so much head
austere trail
tbf at least prom doesn't speed scale
vernal quiver
having to hope to start ephyra, erebus, oceanus, fields isnt like terrible since at least thats a 50% chance assuming the game doesnt skew anything in the code is fine but like, then jpom has to hit
surreal hazel
Anyone worked out what the scaling rules are?
gritty widget
Zone 4 rivals prometheus gonna kick so much head
real
i took wantler for 4th region and got tart
great finish
surreal hazel
having to hope to start ephyra, erebus, oceanus, fields isnt like *terrible* sin...
Oh btw, how does menace work on dream dives?
vernal quiver
its whatever would be next in a normal run
theres zero indication what the next region is until you drop into it
so taking like bones at all is a risk since you have no idea if its olympus or not
and taking fig r2 over chrolex feels more normal since timer is the biggest opp
surreal hazel
Right, no random nonsense from that then
indigo viper
Hi, how unlock new mode after Hypnos' wake up?
surreal hazel
4 more runs
indigo viper
Surface or underworld?
surreal hazel
I wonder if mel comments if you roll a normal run ordering
Wait this is a 1/840 chance
vernal quiver
to this day i still have no idea how supergiant intended anyone to intuitively deal with charybdis feature
spark crown
ok the game needs to stop giving me fields starts this is the 5th time in a row
Huh????? 😮
I really need to get back into Hades 2
How does one do dream dive
austere trail
wake hypnos
vernal quiver
Its in the training grounds next to the familiars
Mel should point it out as soon as you walk in
austere trail
yea for me it was the first thing that happened to me when I booted up the game
spark crown
Good to know
gets 60f win through dream dive
What do we think full or half respect for that
@viral yew
spare slate
100% respect frfr
spark crown
100% respect frfr
We gotta let hardass luithien answer (they are like the whole reason I fear pushed XD)
viral yew
What do we think full or half respect for that
Quater
spare slate
viral yew
100% respect frfr
It's server lore dw
austere trail
hasn't luthien also told you to push fear normally
viral yew
That too
spark crown
hasn't luthien also told you to push fear normally
Yeah not to run stupid vows (which I havent been)
Not that I've played at all recently
austere trail
well by also just not jumping from 32 to 60
spark crown
well by also just not jumping from 32 to 60
I unironicaly do worse when at lower fears XD
austere trail
I refuse to believe that
spark crown
I refuse to believe that
I get cocky and overconfident in lower fears = more mistakes
But while I warm up (when I get on tommorow) I'll be dropping to 40f min due to not having played in months
spark crown
I refuse to believe that
Side note is that a alucard pfp
austere trail
yep!
spark crown
I get cocky and overconfident in lower fears = more mistakes
The difference in this is consistently getting past eris (60f) and barely getting past poly (36~ - 50f)
split igloo
haven't played in a couple weeks, installed the update yesterday and grave thirst was on the blades and I had a lot of trouble finding my groove surprisingly, the attack is so unsafe if you're rusty
spark crown
haven't played in a couple weeks, installed the update yesterday and grave thirs...
What blades you use?
spark crown
That'd do it
austere trail
morrigan is peak, trust
spark crown
Mel and Artemis blades feel the weakest out of all aspects when rusty
split igloo
ended up getting Poseidon on everything and only using attacks when it was very safe, got that boon that sends a wave when you o spec + the faster o spec charge hammer, it was pretty good
split igloo
Mel and Artemis blades feel the weakest out of all aspects when rusty
yeah Artemis especially, it forces you to play aggressive due to the parry damage boost
spark crown
Mel and Artemis blades feel the weakest out of all aspects when rusty
With the sole exception of aspect of Medea of course
umbral horizon
Wow that Gblow buff did really surprise me. They buffed a strong boon to domination
covert talon
Hey yall! I had a question about The Queen. Would it awaken if I had Divinity and The Fates, which both require 0 Grasp?
spiral wadi
Hey yall! I had a question about The Queen. Would it awaken if I had Divinity an...
i think as long as u don't have a same-grasp card 3 or more times, queen will be active
actually 0 grasp probably doesn't count
cuz centaur + divinity + fates i think
spiral wadi
Wow that Gblow buff did really surprise me. They buffed a strong boon to dominat...
am surprised about grievous getting buffed lol
a lil annoyed that profuse got removed from sanguinary requirements entirely
having to set up both wounds/plasma already annoying on denial, then having to hope that profuse doesn't show up on same time as grievous
and i'm still not convinced that profuse can even compare to grievous rn, esp when grievous is a flat dmg mult + contributes to penguin savor
will have to play around profuse more i think but those were my thoughts trying to get an ares run yesterday
idk if ur allowed to share that here
split igloo
so the enemies are at least 20-25% harder no matter what?
mystic mango
Well then take a look and I’ll delete it I guess
Yeah their health and damage values don’t match their normal region scaling
The ones at the bottom are all the regions
Erebus is instantly scaled up but Ephyra is scaled down
flint widget
idk if ur allowed to share that here
yeah mined content ain't allowed here
mystic mango
Either way there you go
split igloo
Siren Keytarist
lol
mystic mango
They just did it off the code names
But will probably change it later
Either way yeah they tried to scale UW and Surface to line up more
So some regions are scaled up or down past their normal values
Ephyra got easier but Erebus got harder
And summit is absurdly hard region 1
final sedge
So some regions are scaled up or down past their normal values
does it matter what order they are, or are all regions scaled differently independent of order?
mystic mango
does it matter what order they are, or are all regions scaled differently indepe...
The chart I posted and deleted showed all their scaling based on when they appear
mystic mango
Cause I forgot that mined content is bad
final sedge
gimme link... I like the mines
vernal quiver
Join the speedcord
final sedge
what's a speedcord
vernal quiver
Its just the high fear/speedrunning server for h1/h2 lemme snag an invite link for ya
mystic mango
I did also DM you the list @final sedge
bright gull
Does the new ‘Winner’s Circle’ change “effect re-scaled to compensate” means DoTs will deal full damage now in winner circle?
umbral horizon
will have to play around profuse more i think but those were my thoughts trying ...
I wonder if we both have cut above and profuse so which be triggered first or stack together. Im so confused about description " around foe" honestly.
spiral wadi
they prob stack together i presume?
but like falling blades has the issue of it has zero tracking
so if enemy moves ur cooked
this was me playing profuse on eris it was ass
spiral wadi
I wonder if we both have cut above and profuse so which be triggered first or st...
i saw discussion that profuse actually has a generous enemy detection range when u pick up plasma
so i think it just finds a nearby enemy when u pick up plasma and drop a blade there
vernal quiver
goddamn this game hates me
lets take 20 minutes to get a single gigaros oceanus/fields start and then give you nothing but posiedon and some of the most dogass enemy setups youve ever seen
umbral horizon
Well that falling blade still need duo boon to proc certainly, this change seems fun but hard to say it were buffed.
final sedge
besides ares and winners circles, what are some of the other buffs or nerfs on this patch?
mystic mango
viral yew
besides ares and winners circles, what are some of the other buffs or nerfs on t...
Read the notes
mystic mango
Yeah honestly just read the patch notes
final sedge
This https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1233146305308528650/1493979406622785...
oh cool, so omega attacks work better now on hel?
final sedge
I've read all the notes, but that's not the same as having it elaborated on or animated... shall I ask more specifically if I have questions?
final sedge
twice as fast? sweet! That was my next question
mystic mango
Something like that idk what the actual time change was
split igloo
it's 10 sec now, was 15 before I believe
mystic mango
But from Artemis high fear and speed players they were saying it was insane
final sedge
Tidal Ring (Poseidon): now hits multiple foes more reliably
I've heard this means Circe actually doubles up now... but that's not what the patch note says. What was it doing wrong against "multiple" enemies before, and what does it do now?
mystic mango
Maybe idk
split igloo
maybe the hitbox was scuffed before
mystic mango
I haven’t actually seen what the change was
But yeah it was messed up on Circe before
final sedge
Snow Queen (Demeter): the barrier is no longer negated by attacks that deal no damage - lol does this mean you'd just get robbed of your shield when it with a water blast that would normally just push you?
I'm curious about this: • Fire Away (Hestia): now works with all Casts, not just Hestia's
Fire away used to have smolder ring as a requirement... so you needed her cast. So what actually changed?
mystic mango
Snow Queen (Demeter): the barrier is no longer negated by attacks that deal no d...
Exactly if I recall correct
vernal quiver
Tidal Ring (Poseidon): now hits multiple foes more reliably
I've heard this me...
it was some internal splash icd stuff that made it not work, they made it work now so circe actually doubles its damage, not sure what other interactions changed besides that one tho
mystic mango
Water spouts could eat snow queen I think
vernal quiver
Snow Queen (Demeter): the barrier is no longer negated by attacks that deal no d...
yeah actually like chronos/fangs vacuume ate barriers
god the fact that r1/2 are barely scaled faster is now starting to mess with me
i got hit so many more times on scylla just now than i normally would since they spin a fraction of a second faster and the charybdis balls swarm you so much faster his feature might as well be a reset
mystic mango
Rivals Scylla being 25% harder is absurd
It was already competing for the hardest boss in the game
Ephyra was already baby boo-boo easy and now it’s easier
manic shuttle
Rivals Scylla being 25% harder is absurd
Is she harder on dream dive region 2?
mystic mango
Is she harder on dream dive region 2?
Want me to DM you the chart?
manic shuttle
Want me to DM you the chart?
Sure
final sedge
Is she harder on dream dive region 2?
short answer, yes, 25%
vernal quiver
if this route is teaching me anything its that its very obvious the enemies in each region were design around having boons so going through an r3 with an r1 setup actually makes everything insuffrable
mystic mango
if this route is teaching me anything its that its very obvious the enemies in e...
Yeah cause the enemy design totally changes by region
Enemy design is very much related to order
Like how we get cutthroats which then are replaced by harpies who behave very similarly
Then we get Olympus harpies which are stronger and have more attacks
Then we get stalkers
It’s very intentional that the enemy design scales by region
So late region enemies early game is really tough
split igloo
well, people kept asking for a randomizer like in other roguelikes, so here it is
maybe they can still tune it up a bit
mystic mango
I don’t hate it. I love it as an addition to the game
I’m just realizing that you can’t really take it seriously
If you don’t get a fields or other easy region start with a ton of rewards you’re screwed
split igloo
but yeah starting with fields and aspect of moros is pretty horrible, you'll be desperately looking for any gain boon and you still need your attack and special boons
but on the other hand, you can just play Medea and don't care about boons, it hits hard boonless and uses 0 magic
mystic mango
but yeah starting with fields and aspect of moros is pretty horrible, you'll be ...
Fields is like the meta start
split igloo
why is it the meta lol
mystic mango
Stuff to artificer and a lot of rewards and echo
And the enemies are overall pretty easy
split igloo
yeah good strat burn through all your artificer charges in the fields and then have nothing for oceanus
umbral horizon
What does Seismic Servo affect else? Is any charging required boon I miss?
mystic mango
yeah good strat burn through all your artificer charges in the fields and then h...
Who said you were getting Oceanus second 🤷♂️
split igloo
this is exactly what happened in my run btw
mystic mango
But like yeah that’s how artificer works
That’s how it already freaking works in Erebus
split igloo
it was funny, burned through all charges, then had to take a lot of bones and ashes in oceanus
mystic mango
You want stuff to artificer ASAP
It’s free rewards.
Getting fields and ephyra for 1 and 2 is godly
split igloo
idk, I like to balance it so that each region gives decent rewards, if I burn through artificer in erebus, then I'll need to take timepiece for oceanus, else it's a lot of trash to take
mystic mango
it was funny, burned through all charges, then had to take a lot of bones and as...
Okay but like that’s already how Erebus works
But honestly if you’re getting a lot of ashes and bones in Oceanus you got crap luck
split igloo
there's always a lot of double bone/ash rooms, at least in my experience
mystic mango
Ideally you get shop, narcissus, a warden, and at least 2 other major rewards in Oceanus
The optimal Oceanus only has like 2-4 fights and one of them is a warden
But like again you’re making the argument that “if I take the artificer now then I won’t get it later” as if having more stuff earlier isn’t just inherently better
Also you can just time piece the bones and ashes
For free gold. So I don’t get the complaint
If you’re not going for speed and don’t need survivability then region 2 time piece is just the absolute meta