h2-builds-and-combat

[viral yew]

Might just be a 'get good' situation (with love)

Nah circe is still really good at base

[cursive kindle]

Alright then!

[viral yew]

It only buffs the leash damage which you don't need until 62f+

[cursive kindle]

But leash is the entire deal of circe, no?

[viral yew]

Nope

[cursive kindle]

Sorry i am dumb

[viral yew]

Double cast

[cursive kindle]

Oh. Why not?

Oh right. Sorry

[viral yew]

It doesn't make sense at first but once you get a good circe build it's just ridiculously strong for no risk at all

If you've alr seen the rivals bossfights I have a few clips showcasing one of the best circe builds

[cursive kindle]

I have beaten all of them, yes

[viral yew]

Alr alr

[cursive kindle]

Will it be okay if i watch those after i give 16f another try with the strength build?

[viral yew]

https://imgur.com/a/BNUlYKy

[viral yew]

Watch them whenever

https://imgur.com/a/vMd79UT

[cursive kindle]

Thank you for all of your help. You are very kind :)

[viral yew]

Any time

[cursive kindle]

I hope olympus will be on my side in this run. I need it

[viral yew]

Gl soldier 🫡

[fluid plank]

I have 23/30 arcana unlocked what setup would you recommend

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMSIsImMyIiwiYzUiLCJjNiIsImM3IiwiYzExIiwiYzEzIiwiYzE2IiwiYzE3IiwiYzIwIiwiYzIxIiwiYzIyIiwiYzIzIiwiYzI0Il0=

That's what I've been using

[viral yew]

Swap boatman for origination

[fluid plank]

But if I swap it I won't have reroll

But I think that's fantastic idea

[viral yew]

Or

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMiIsImM2IiwiYzciLCJjMTMiLCJjMTQiLCJjMTciLCJjMjAiLCJjMjEiLCJjMjIiLCJjMjMiLCJjMjQiXQ==

[viral yew]

At 23 you're not gonna have everything 🤷‍♀️

[cursive kindle]

Just beat scylla. Just wanted to say that aspect of circe and strength are AWESOME

back to the game now

[viral yew]

Based

[delicate sorrel]

Can Heph blasts crit?

[cursive kindle]

I beat 16f!!!!

Thanks so much for everyone that have helped me :)

Clear time is 13:06.17

[manic shuttle]

Yes

[tulip cypress]

Any recomendation what risk I need to pick for fear 20

[magic grove]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzAsMCwwLDMsMCwzLDIsMiwwLDEsMiwwLDYsMCwxLDAsMF0= i'm not even putting frenzy 2 but if you wanna go for higher fears its good to get used to it early

you can switch a lot of things i would just avoid: pain grit hordes void scars (scars 1 is okay)

denial can be pretty free, debt 2 is free with chrolex, wards is super free depending on the aspect

[tulip cypress]

Ohh
Maybe I'll go for grit or scar
Time 3 is really hard for me

[magic grove]

Time should be the easiest fear

[magic grove]

Scars 1 is okay, I would avoid grit

[restive bolt]

hey guys. what is a good benchmark for a surface speedrun? i'm using thanatos, max frenzy and time for fear. i'm sub 12 min off of a good run but don't have a good reference point for what a surface speedrun should look like

[torpid oak]

https://www.speedrun.com/hades2?h=any-fear-surface-unseeded-post-release-patch-1&x=wk6yjved-68k17yzl.ln8345nl-j84jdvy8.10v7oxpl-onv5935l.lr3pxxml

[restive bolt]

ty

how are people getting 5 mins? that's insane LOL

[torpid oak]

Fate is our fastest Than Axe runner currently, so you should watch their run and see what worked well for them.

[restive bolt]

sounds good. thank you!

[mystic mango]

So speaking from perspective of somebody who started speedrunning a few weeks ago and only got the game in November, I got under a 9 minute surface with a bit of effort after maybe a week or two

Sub-8 took a good deal more effort and RNG

But I also don’t really run meta aspects besides Moros sometimes

My two surface sub-8’s are with arty blades and Hel skull so definitely can go faster with better weapons

But comparing yourself to Fate or Kev on times when you’re starting is not a good route to go. Just push your own times and don’t worry about the top

[torpid oak]

Yeah. Do feel free to ask questions

[restive bolt]

ty!! i will prob have some questions in the future - i think i just need to take a look at speedrunners in action to get started.

[mystic mango]

Oh yeah @restive bolt tip for surface speed running if you really care is activating “pity”

I mean really for both routes, since Arachne is also big early on especially for high fear, but Medea is basically mandatory

Dying 3 times without seeing a story room will trigger pity, so just intentionally die in room 1 3 times to get pity and then just keep pity by resetting night or backing up your save file until you get a good run

Pity guarantees the story encounter even after changing fate

[restive bolt]

is the idea that medea's curses and location skip is that good on the surface?

[mystic mango]

It’s a timer freeze

One less encounter you have to do

Timer freeze rooms (story/charon) and chaos are always preferable for time

As well as getting any random encounters (Arty, Nem, Heracles, Icarus)

Except Heracles loses time potentially if you get him in a room that doesn’t have a boon or if you get him in Thessaly since he always appears on the first encounter so you can’t use the choice menu to freeze the timer until he jumps away

If you ever get Heracles you want to either pick up your boon/pom/selene/hammer to freeze the timer until he jumps away or find a shade/collection point to freeze the timer since he takes forever to jump away

Can lose you upwards of 10-15 seconds if you get him in a bad place or he wanders to the opposite side of the room from where he drops his coin

Similar to nemesis

But nemesis is faster at least since you don’t have to wait for her to jump away or physically drop the gold

Hope that all makes sense. Special encounters, shops, chaos and region 2 fig leaf are your friends on speed since the less times you have to fight the better

Unless you get unlucky and fig activated on a fast room

[lyric summit]

I’ve played this game for so long and I never knew this 😱

No wonder I keep timing out in Erebus smh

Guess there’s actual benefit to dying over Undo nighting 👀

[mystic mango]

Well until you get pity, then you want to never die

Or what I do is I have a backup save that I use for runs that has pity

I’ll win a run, save the screenshot and clips, then quit out the game and overwrite the save with the backup to go back to having pity

At least on switch you can undo night after dying

Can’t do that on PC. For whatever reason the switch version lets you open the pause menu in places that PC doesn’t

At least it allows you to not have to reset pity on switch since save backups aren’t possible

[lyric summit]

And saluting doesn’t affect pity yeah?

[mystic mango]

yeah it works through fate reroll

[lyric summit]

I shall keep that in mind for subsequent runs 👀👀👀👀

[mystic mango]

If you've ever been medea or arachne scammed there's your solution

[tulip cypress]

If I choose max Void vow and my grasp will be 0
Will it automatixally use Judgement card?or not?

[lyric summit]

You need at least 1 card active

Otherwise Max Fear wouldn’t be too bad if we had Judgment available 😭

~~though there are ways to get it to work on surface 🐷 ~~

[mystic mango]

Well you can do it on uw too

John Pork keepsake exists

[lyric summit]

After what Frei rolled for her 67, John Pork will never be an option for me 😭

Centaur and Wayward son

[mystic mango]

pffft

I mean... it could be worse

it could have been night lol

[lyric summit]

Worse than nothing?

[mystic mango]

Instead of centaur

[lyric summit]

Tbf it was a Moros run

[mystic mango]

Ah so night would have had some value got ya

[lyric summit]

So night would’ve actually been decent 😭

[mystic mango]

Okay fine

[lyric summit]

For Mel Staff ye, night’s useless

[mystic mango]

Moros without sorceress sounds painful

[lyric summit]

It’s fine just roll Racing thoughts. EZ

[mystic mango]

https://tenor.com/view/drake-computer-notebook-explaning-gif-21152267

[lyric summit]

Strat tends to be play normally until you prime out, then just triple attack and dash special 💀

[mystic mango]

oh yeah I did forget you can also just undo night after victory screen

That keeps pity too even if you win

[lyric summit]

Hmm keeping pity or having the 65/67 in your save file 🤔

Yeah keeping pity saves time. Deffo worth undoing 🫢

Vod’s all that matters lol

[mystic mango]

It's the one thing that does really suck about doing the pity save method is not having it on your record keeper yeah

Realizing I won't have the screenshots of my record keeper

[spiral wadi]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1051942150025269309/1490111405318213755/20260404151030-01KND8R76ZDFQWEDCM0866BZ5X.mp4 visual clarity

[mystic mango]

Did the heart seriously spawn directly on top of you

[spiral wadi]

ye

it was masked by my cast too

[mystic mango]

John Visual clarity

The true final boss

[spiral wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/gravity-falls-gruncle-stan-stanley-pines-rainbow-eyes-are-burning-gif-7130837635791690095

[dire grotto]

HUH

[flint widget]

https://giphy.com/gifs/gems-alert-peek-2J8Nw1v8H1gkfs7j9C

[queen tapir]

TASTE THE RAINBOW

[spark crown]

How are we today build chat

What runs are we up to

[mystic mango]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator?vows=WzAsMCwwLDYsMCwxLDAsNSwwLDIsMiwwLDYsMCwyLDAsMF0%3D @sinful flint

24 fear setup. It does use frenzy 2 so you'll have to get used to it

[sinful flint]

❤️

[mystic mango]

Can drop any of the vows and take rivals if you're comfortable with that

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator?vows=WzAsMCwwLDYsMCwxLDAsNSwxLDIsMiwwLDYsMCwyLDIsNV0%3D

32 fear

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator?vows=WzMsMiwxLDYsMCwzLDAsNSwxLDIsMiwwLDYsMCwyLDIsNV0%3D and 40 fear. Though I usually drop pain and scars and run rivals 3 but that's up to you

Or if you're fine with the enemies having more health but dealing less damage you can take more grit

[sinful flint]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjNiIsImM3IiwiYzgiLCJjMTEiLCJjMTIiLCJjMTMiLCJjMTQiLCJjMTUiLCJjMTYiLCJjMTciLCJjMjAiLCJjMjEiLCJjMjIiLCJjMjQiXQ==
these are the arcana i've been using, anything wrong with em?

[sinful flint]

Cheers, will look into em

[viral yew]

I'd swap messenger for sorceress or wayward but otherwise good

[mystic mango]

Depending on weapon

[sinful flint]

i am using circe

[mystic mango]

But yeah wayward usually safer due to free healing

You're playing staff so you're basically never using omegas

Otherwise that's basically the meta arcana loadout for god keepsakes and rerolls

[sinful flint]

❤️

[mystic mango]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator?vows=WzAsMiwxLDYsMCwzLDAsNSwxLDIsMiwwLDYsMCwyLDIsOF0%3D alternate 40 fear if you want to run rivals 3

[sinful flint]

my keepsakes have just been zeus -> hera -> aphrodite -> tooth

[mystic mango]

Rivals prometheus is way harder than rivals cerb

[mystic mango]

Aphro is an interesting option but eh

Usually also you want to just stick to your 4 god pool

[sinful flint]

i struggle getting origination

XD

[mystic mango]

adding more gods just eventually makes you weaker

[sinful flint]

but i guess it'll help when i get arcana 21

when i can reroll hera

[viral yew]

Wdym hera

[viral yew]

Which arcana are you talking about

[mystic mango]

Yeah IDK what they're talking about

I assume they mean like rerolling doors in region 1 to guarantee hera

[viral yew]

You can always just take the keepsake

[sinful flint]

yeah my bad forgot the name it was the fates

[fluid plank]

How you play moros torches what boons you go for first

[viral yew]

Hera special any attack

Use ospecial then hold attack

[mystic mango]

There are some bosses you can do attack instakill setups if you stand right at the range where your shades stop to stack them up on the boss

Then dash in and normal special

Can be faster but loses time if you don't do enough damage to instantly hit the damage requirement

So usually ospec is safer

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1233146305308528650/1489772211806933213/A221451.MP4?ex=69d2f37d&is=69d1a1fd&hm=e872b153b01792faca8029e3feae1048def162931a6120c54e821d5368f8260e&

Unfortunately I didn't hit the damage requirement here

That or I was actually too late because I got the 8000 damage needed

[spiral wadi]

huh that felt like the instakill came faster than usual, tho idk if that's cuz rivals timing is different or not

or if i'm just trippin balls

[mystic mango]

Yeah idk

You might be

[spiral wadi]

possibly

ig cuz rivals has slower frenzy scaling than normal

[icy crypt]

no one told me you could phase typhon this fast with medea
cleared the entire fight in like a minute

[vernal quiver]

medea is the speedrun aspect for a reason lol

[icy crypt]

granted i did have the apollo lego and possessed array

usually im just dashing around and missing the boss by a mile

[mystic mango]

Yeah I picked up Persephone skull and immediately cut 48 seconds off my surface records. Then I picked up Medea and cut another 42 seconds off

And I’m not talking like starting at 10 minutes

I mean down from 7:48 to 6:18 in under 24 hours just by picking up Medea

[torpid oak]

One of the reasons why I don't main Medea is I struggle to play it precisely. So I would be wasting a lot of time whiffing lol

[mystic mango]

Yeah I end up just dancing around enemies rather than hitting them cause I’m aiming when I want to attack the enemy and don’t consider that I’m still moving from my previous special so I’m 2 feet to the right

Or I miss a single special through the boss, end up out of line, then everything goes off the rails as I try to course correct

Medea is a literal flick aim trainer and you know my aim sucks ass

[torpid oak]

That's why I just stick to the other skulls. Ez auto aim

[mystic mango]

Do you play controller or kbm?

[torpid oak]

Xbox Controller

[mystic mango]

Got ya yeah I do keyboard so I’m having to play Osu just to hit stuff

https://tenor.com/view/osu-jumps-whitecat-gif-27233329

Medea experience

Maybe I learn controller just for skull idk

[viral yew]

Skull is better on kb

[fluid plank]

Really how

I literally can't see cursor half the time in Hades 2 where in Hades 1 that wasn't a problem

Plus in Hades 1 auto aim was so much easier with certain aspects

Here auto aim is not that good but I'm new to Hades 2

[gritty widget]

modify your mouse icon to be something more obvious

[fluid plank]

With meadea do ppl play with lock on and if yes which one

[spark crown]

Pray and cry = win

[mystic mango]

It genuinely becomes playing by feel

Hope that your cursor is facing the right direction because if you’re a little bit off you’re just gonna totally whiff and have to do a bunch of work to course correct

Obviously if you’re not just auto-firing specials you have more control but I genuinely play Medea like I’m a pinball bouncing around the screen and never let go of special

As said above it’s a literal aim trainer

[mystic mango]

I ought to do this. Figure it’s as easy as replacing the png file in the game assets

[fluid plank]

What aspects you guys play with Charon axe I start with appolo to get his regen but then what

[magic grove]

poseidon

geyser spout

then just get 2 curses one for the special one for the cast and ggs

[mystic mango]

Poseidon, Apollo, Demeter, Ares

Geyser spout and super nova are your biggest boons with Charon

Since super nova makes casts massive and geyser buffs their power so they do absurd amounts of damage

[mental sigil]

hey guys! quick question: I'm looking to start working towards higher fear, what builds/aspects should I put more time into? I've currently cleared max 40 I believe, which I think I did on morrigan

I've tried to learn medea and I simply think it may be outside my capabilities

[mystic mango]

Medea is rough on high fear unless you’re good at it. It’s very strong but very punishing if you don’t know enemy attack timings

It’s incredibly strong early game

[viral yew]

Whatever you find most fun, every aspect has been used for 65f, in terms of what's strongest for each weapon;

Mel staff
Circe
Anubis

Mel blades

Moros
Eos
Supay

Mel axe
Charon
Than
Nergal

Mel skull
Medea

Mel coat
Nyx

[mystic mango]

There isn’t a max fear morrigan clear? I didn’t know carrot was the first one getting so close

Or uh idk I watched carrot doing runs and nearly getting a Morrigan clear

[viral yew]

Not that I know of, it's the hardest one for blades afaik cause no trick knives

[mystic mango]

Carrot was a final slice hater and I watched it grow on them lol

They said they were bad mouthing it and very next day saw the light

[viral yew]

How could you ever hate final slice

[mystic mango]

Yeah they realized just how good it is on Morrigan

Since Morrigan is a 2-attack combo and the final slice hits 3 times

So hits through wards

[viral yew]

Exactly

[mystic mango]

Final slice is insane on Morrigan both for damage and safety

“The world of rapid onslaught affected Morrigan Oattack channel time” -carrot

[viral yew]

Morrigan my beloved

[mental sigil]

i guess a better question to ask is: what high fear aspect is going to teach me the best impulses and disicpline as I work towards max fear

[viral yew]

I did my first 62 with circe, it's probably the easiest

[mystic mango]

Mel staff easily

[mental sigil]

like morrigan is my favourite aspect I think but I feel like sometimes I play it like i have no health bar

[mystic mango]

Mel staff is the most “just play the game right” aspect

[viral yew]

Mel is ridiculously strong too

[mental sigil]

and you just spam zues special right? thats the build?

[mystic mango]

Zeus attack Hera special

[viral yew]

Nah, %damage special

[mystic mango]

And glamour gain

[mental sigil]

do you even omega attack though? dont you want to be on huntress?

[viral yew]

Eh the gain isn't massively needed

[viral yew]

No, no omegas on mel

[mystic mango]

But I’m just saying glamour isn’t a bad option if you want the weak

Mel staff is literally nothing but dash attack + special

[viral yew]

It's the best way to apply it forsure

[mystic mango]

Dash attack special is both the best damage and safest option on Mel staff

It’s not even close

[viral yew]

I still find circe a little safer but it is harder to get a good enough build going for me

[mystic mango]

Zeus attack for blitz and Hera or other % special to take advantage of the extra power

Yeah Circe has some extra zoning and the psychic leash can help for ward clear

[viral yew]

I can't take it anymore. I'm sick of Zeus. I try to play Scorch. My Blitz deals more damage. I try to play Poseidon. My Blitz deals more damage. I try to play Blast. My Blitz deals more damage. I want to play Demeter. Her best team has Zeus. I want to play Ares, Hera. They both want Zeus.

He grabs me by the throat. I Pom for him. I reroll for him. I give him the Cloud Bangle. He isn't satisfied. I pick Extended Family. "I don't need this much Damage %" He tells me. "Give me more Poms." He grabs Echo and forces her to Pom Pom Pom. "You just need to pop Blitz more. I can deal more damage with King's Ransom."

I can't pick King's Ransom, I have no Hera core Boon. He grabs my Fate Dice. It declines. "Guess this is the end." He grabs his lightning. He says "It's over, young lady." There is no hint of sadness in his eyes. Nothing but high flat damage curse application. What a cruel world.

[mystic mango]

Zeus is the only god in the game

[viral yew]

Don't I know it

[gentle gust]

vyt frei and i all have morrigan clears

[mystic mango]

Everything is Zeus slop

[viral yew]

Well TIL

[mystic mango]

Okay well then lythien is wrong cause I could have sworn there were morri clears

[mental sigil]

lore accurate

[mystic mango]

Zeus is just so ungodly broken on his scaling. The ability to have a 230 BASE POWER HIT on any move is so insanely broken

[viral yew]

I haven't been in the community for months, I dropped the game last year

[viral yew]

With jpom tbf

[mystic mango]

Or even a common attack with jpom being 130 is insane

130 base power is more than most weapons do with their strongest abilities

So even just slapping that on a move you never use is broken as hell

[mystic mango]

Yeah but at this point it’s jpom or nothing

The only reason to run anything but jpom is for speedruns to minimize resets

Speaking of, Kev got a jpom surface wr

Jpom wins if the build is hit

And Kev hit the build

Jpom means any build you get is gonna be stronger, but obviously the absolute optimal build is still gonna be best

But IF YOU GET IT WITH JPOM

Literal potential-man

[vernal quiver]

it isnt potential man when it actually does things 😌

[onyx ibex]

is jpom better than starting with card? I always thought it was harder to boost rarity in-run than pom

it would be better having high rarity and good level vs just high level due to diminishing returns on either one

[spiral wadi]

perma lv4 on everything tends to get more value than starting off with 6 charges

i think the only reason poms themselves are undervalued is that other rewards offered with it are usually more valuable

but having guaranteed lv4 is kinda just broken

[cursive kindle]

Which familiar is recommended to use with aspect of circe?

[vernal quiver]

gale has the best cast layering and defensive util, raki has the best cast spread and the crit is nice and raki also has easier leash manipulation(gale is fine there too just takes some getting used to)

frinos if youre trolling

[tough torrent]

frinos if you suck at dodging hec curse

[viral yew]

Ball

[cursive kindle]

What do you mean by "defensive util"?

[viral yew]

His ability to block three hits per region

Especially when you're playing with scars 3 and pain 3, it's the difference between losing and winning runs

[cursive kindle]

I see. I am not super good at dodging so i am not sure his ability will help me much

Last run i dodged pretty well except for chronos, though

[viral yew]

If you are taking more hits and not using scars or pain then frinos is probably a little better, because you can heal back that 40 health and it blocks sheep ball

[cursive kindle]

Do you think i should use frinos over raki?

[viral yew]

Frinos is more safety, raki is more damage

[cursive kindle]

Is getting hit by sheep ball that bad (at not super high fear)? Its only one time and as long you dodge while you are affected you dont lose much other than time

[viral yew]

Nah not really

In non rivals hec below like 50f it's fine

[cursive kindle]

I think raki may be what i should use with circe. Though i may try gale a few times, just to be sure

Thanks for the tips, y'all!

[viral yew]

Raki and gale are best for circe yes

My 62 was with gale cause i'm bad

[cursive kindle]

If you're bad than what am i lol

[viral yew]

Training to be better than me

[cursive kindle]

Hehe, ill need to train a lot to reach that level. 62f seems impossible to me

[viral yew]

When I was working my way up to it I thought I never would either, but you'd be suprised

[magic grove]

you can do it! i trust

[tough torrent]

[fluid plank]

Is there a build that you feel safe and tanky like for example aspect of Charon axe I beat both things on fear 12+ but I want to try other builds that are as tanky and have as much DPS as charon

[alpine raft]

if by tanky you mean safe then mel staff/circe are the best for it

[fluid plank]

Mel staf ? Like I never felt safe

Probably because I don't use correct boons etc

[alpine raft]

special does crazy damage and pierces and long range

[fluid plank]

But I thought you play dash strike and special

[viral yew]

That is crazy damage and long range

[magic grove]

yeah mel staff is pretty safe

[fluid plank]

Ohh ok so what boons you go for

[magic grove]

eos is probably the safest aspect

[magic grove]

look at the pinned on this channel

[fluid plank]

Ty

[magic grove]

but for mel staff you wanna get something like a good % on special and two curses somehow, its pretty straightforward

something like zeus attack hera special

[fluid plank]

@magic grove with Mel staff do you charge your special or just insta shoot

[alpine raft]

nah dont ospecial unless its for huntress

[magic grove]

just dash attack -> special -> repeat

[viral yew]

Never use omegas on mel

[modern wigeon]

hi

what aspect of torch if gud

[magic grove]

all of them are pretty good, mel torches is probably the weakest but thats mainly because moros does the same thing better

[modern wigeon]

oka

im waiting to get the persefone aspect for the skull but poppys are almost impossible to see

[cursive kindle]

Thank you so much! :)

[viral yew]

You need to grow them in the garden with seeds from tartsrus

[modern wigeon]

ye i know

but they are difficult to appear

i only have 1 poppy of ten runs in the tartarus

and it only gives 1

not like chaos seeds

[viral yew]

Bring hecuba

[gritty widget]

[warm helm]

Oh hey! You're back in the server!

[karmic forge]

Can someone explain what just happened? I was fighting rivals chronos and doing the last battle to obtain the new ending. I didn't have any death defiance from arcana and other sources and he dropped me to zero in the last phase and suddenly I recovered all my health and death defiance with a symbol of infinity is marked next to my health bar

This is the first time I see this

[magic grove]

its story based

[karmic forge]

Nice

[magic grove]

on the last run you have infinite death defiances

on phase 3

[karmic forge]

Love it

[magic grove]

just for this run

it would be pretty unfair for players who have never fought rivals chronos to suddenly need to deal with phase 3 on the last run to end the main story so...

[viral yew]

It'd be really funny if it wasn't like that but it makes sense

[karmic forge]

I think I never triggered that during my last run against him when we still had the original ending

[magic grove]

the og ending didn't have phase 3

[karmic forge]

But at that time I was still using all death defiance available XD

[karmic forge]

I know but for my last run I decided to do rivals bosses for fun

[restive bolt]

just realized that the final run would be an insane last gasp run

has anyone tried this?

[mystic mango]

It would be funny to infinitely stack last gasp if it even applies to it

[restive bolt]

one punch mel

[mystic mango]

https://tenor.com/view/dr-manhattan-gif-18899941

[viral yew]

Doesn't work

[mystic mango]

They thought ahead

[wild drift]

Yeah it's probably similar to how Pin doesn't count for Last Gasp

[viral yew]

Yep, cause it isn't consumed/cant be refilled or anything

[modern wigeon]

i only beat him one time with moros item and a weird build i improvised

[mystic mango]

Holy moly word choice

[viral yew]

Base chronos, no vows?

[modern wigeon]

I have the heat of concentrate 3 of magic if the boon is epic of more and the onion at first boon but it's base Chronos I think

[viral yew]

Turn off the onion one, hubris is fine tho

[modern wigeon]

Chronos radial attack does 500 of damage

😔

[mystic mango]

Okay and. Just don't get hit by it

[modern wigeon]

im stupid sorry

The radial rays of Hades are Better than that thing

[viral yew]

You can dodge it 😭

[modern wigeon]

I have the reflects of a fish

And Chronos Fake the radial attack

I have dementia

[modern wigeon]

The light zone Is the damage zone and Is confusing

I always forget that

and all the attacks of Chronos does a Lot of damage

[viral yew]

There is always a safe spot on the ground when he does the big one shot

[mystic mango]

I mean he's designed to be a final boss. But his attacks are slow and telegraphed

The safest place to stand against Chronos is to his front right

[viral yew]

I have a video somewhere dodging all his p2 attacks

[mystic mango]

His scythe always comes out his left side

So you're safe from it if you stand to his right

His dash has a lot of windup and the telegraph is pretty different from his other attacks so you can know whether you need to dodge

Basically just stand in his face and always dodge sideways perpendicular to where he's facing or dodge through him

[modern wigeon]

it's not that radial attack i think

[viral yew]

https://imgur.com/a/FIGfLHs

[mystic mango]

"if you just delete him you never have to fight him"

[noble vale]

I can't send the picture

[mystic mango]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1233146305308528650/1490574013724885032/7956321.MP4?ex=69d48cba&is=69d33b3a&hm=decde578fa5a3f93f7c3cedfdef9453292c4bf5d573cbf8b4c9aa7d1c1604cec&

[noble vale]

Must have a role?

[modern wigeon]

Chronos put in the Center of the Map and if you are in the Center he will do 500 of damage

[mystic mango]

Okay so then literally just stand in the donut

[viral yew]

If you watch my video there is a safe place you can stand

[mystic mango]

Or do what I did and kill him through it lol

[modern wigeon]

Reflects of a fish btw

[noble vale]

Yeah I can't send the screenshot

[mystic mango]

Reflexes

[modern wigeon]

I dont talk english that gud 😔

[mystic mango]

Well now you know

[viral yew]

You wanna see some real speed?

https://imgur.com/a/XvgME0l

[mystic mango]

I said this chat only accepts links

[noble vale]

I sent on the other one

Sorry for my mistake

[modern wigeon]

I always die like in the 25% of health of Chronos

[small wyvern]

hey, i deleted this message but in the future please refrain from using serious language like that in a joke-y manner.

[mystic mango]

Hey so since you're here can we get mel huff sticker?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1218621088049659930/1487509178883772526/IMG_1524.gif

[small wyvern]

i can't add stickers or emojis but i can bring it up

[mystic mango]

[mystic mango]

Also have you guys ever noted that some of your emotes are backwards?

[viral yew]

Or upside down? (I'm Australian btw)

[small wyvern]

how so?

[mystic mango]

Eye and hand on wrong side

[viral yew]

Good catch

[mystic mango]

It's correct on the speedrun discord is what made me notice lol

This one's correct

[small wyvern]

i will bring this up as well aha

[mystic mango]

[modern wigeon]

oki

sorry 🙁

[gritty widget]

is that 415 shield i see

[viral yew]

Heph boon

[gritty widget]

ah

[flint widget]

does she know?

[viral yew]

Yes she does, shush

[flint widget]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-ishowspeed-speed-stream-ishowspeed-stream-speed-nod-gif-1082323842437565509

[lyric summit]

God coat feels so bad to play on steam deck. Specials be hitting thin air most of the time 😭

[flint widget]

https://tenor.com/view/adams-basketball-shooting-shot-gif-16857071

this what aiming coat special (regular) on controller feels like

[lyric summit]

Legit it's so ass

It's why my coat wins have mainly been Exhaust riser attacks 💀

[surreal hazel]

When the unguided shiva special is 10x more likely to hit something than the dumbfire rockets

[flint widget]

not even shimmering rockets is crazy

[lyric summit]

never shows up

[viral yew]

90% of why I like shiva is cause the special is just more fun to use

[lyric summit]

honestly might have a better time using shiva for 65 tbh just cuz of that special

[flint widget]

only coat i play these days is nyx just cuz it has built in shimmering

[surreal hazel]

Apparently you can use it at range too

[lyric summit]

but i'm also too used to dash attacking and that dash atk is just... 😬

[surreal hazel]

I love mooncrest riser!

And eating jars of cookie dough

And driving off bridges

[viral yew]

[flint widget]

https://tenor.com/view/cinema-absolute-cinema-peak-cinema-salmon-jjk-gif-6981231960394212546

[lyric summit]

and snorting a bunch of copium too i imagine

jkjk 😛

[magic grove]

shiva with elephant rockets is pretty satisfying to play ngl

[viral yew]

THANK YOU

[surreal hazel]

Mooncrest is literally a bad nova strike that applies only to dash strike and I have no idea how it made it in the game

[lyric summit]

legit 😭

just grab nova strike and any of the frame hammers

[surreal hazel]

Just like. Give us dashing heave instead for shiva, I'd take it

[lyric summit]

and pray for all the pity/skips

[flint widget]

man i should really give shiva another chance

[lyric summit]

did you end up doing all 62 in the end?

[surreal hazel]

Not sure frame hammers apply to dash strike iirc

[lyric summit]

i legit can't remember

[flint widget]

if it turns out ive been sleeping on it like mel and perseph skull

[surreal hazel]

Because what even is consistency?

[lyric summit]

naw we just spam regular attack

[flint widget]

hell no

[wild drift]

The world if Shiva dash-strike was just a weaker version of the third attack:
https://tenor.com/view/mundo-feliz-onetreehsll-world-if-gif-14071235670792471304

[surreal hazel]

Oh then sure. Nova strike abd reaper frame on shiva. We brawl

[flint widget]

im scared of doing mel axe or any of the coats (non-nyx)

[lyric summit]

A world where Gigaros still did hitstun

[flint widget]

nerf was deserved tho

[lyric summit]

Mel axe genuinely fun if you get gigaros seething heave

[flint widget]

supay with gigaros back then was ez free win

[lyric summit]

Ugh I wish I was better back then

Would've totally grinded for soup 67

Erebus feels so boring to play

[viral yew]

Mel axe is fun if you get a lobotomy

[flint widget]

dashing heave merchant

[lyric summit]

Lowkey prefer Seething over dashing for all the axes

[surreal hazel]

Thanatos got nothing but buffs over all of EA and it's still just meh at extreme fear

[lyric summit]

More consistent Erebus with added omega damage for timer

[lyric summit]

Used to be my fav wep in EA 😭

And my first 50

[surreal hazel]

Fun as hell, but enemies just don't die unless you get psychic beyblade

[lyric summit]

and even then Nergal just outshines it 😭

[surreal hazel]

Sadly

[lyric summit]

Surprisingly I don't think I even rolled psychic for my Than 65. Seething Scorch kinda just popped off somehow

And it was still a pretty dreadful build

[surreal hazel]

Nergal's attack combo should be more viable for how dumbfunny the animation is

[icy crypt]

does pan have an internal cd on the poseidon waves

[austere cypress]

i think so, i think boated mentioned it once in one of his videos

[spiral wadi]

all weps do

pan pos wave icd isn't terrible rn as it was during ea

but ur prob playing for trick knives rather than using the aspect anyway

[icy crypt]

what should i be putting on the spesh then
i miss chiron

[spiral wadi]

splashes r still great with special

u only lose a couple splashes but that's fine

reaper knives the hammer pairs very well if u get dmg % on special

[icy crypt]

is % better if i get +power stuff

[spiral wadi]

ye

scorch is also excellent

blitz arc flash is a funny combo too

dancing knives is a direct nerf to blades even on pan

genuinely never pick it up it's so ass

[wheat plover]

Can anyone help me make a build with Hephaestus? I’ve been struggling to make him compete with Origination builds since he doesn’t have an easy curse

Like half my previous twelve runs has just been Aphrodite’s magik regen boon and some curse attack

[viral yew]

He's kinda tricky to build around, mostly because you need so many poms, and you can't really use it as your main damage source unless you get good rarity and poms very early on

Very high ceiling for damage but you realistically do need another source of origination in case you don't get glow

If you want aspect specific builds for it then I can help more with that

[wheat plover]

ive been playing a lot of thanatos so ig that?

my current setup with arcana is mostly built around Night and Origination

[flint widget]

do u want ur build to be hammer specific cuz thanatos need hammers in order to feel good imo

[viral yew]

Plus thanatos is pretty bad for heph

[viral yew]

What is your exact arcana loadout

[wheat plover]

hold on the game is loading

[wheat plover]

should i be using a dif axe form then?

[flint widget]

i mean thanatos is still good, its just that its a psychic whirlwind merchant

or u can just get zeus attack and spam attack

[wheat plover]

hold on i need to put it in google drive

[viral yew]

You can just use crossroads
https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck

[wheat plover]

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1weXs3for1L6L16Zx_y9-KaneImZOBOQe/view?usp=sharing

[flint widget]

first things first get unseen out

[wheat plover]

really?

[flint widget]

yes

[wheat plover]

dang alright

is it just that you can replace it with a boon easily?

[flint widget]

yes

[wheat plover]

fair enough

[flint widget]

not worth the 5 grasp

[wheat plover]

should i take Excellance instead?

[viral yew]

NOOOO

[flint widget]

get furies swift runner and lovers in and remove eternity also

[wheat plover]

ok sorry

[viral yew]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMSIsImMyIiwiYzMiLCJjNiIsImM3IiwiYzgiLCJjMTEiLCJjMTMiLCJjMTQiLCJjMTUiLCJjMTciLCJjMTgiLCJjMjAiLCJjMjMiLCJjMjQiXQ==

Run smth like this

[flint widget]

oh theyre using rerolls

ah give me a sec

[wheat plover]

should i not?

ive been bouncing between using them or not

[flint widget]

rerolls arcana: https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMSIsImM2IiwiYzciLCJjMTEiLCJjMTMiLCJjMTQiLCJjMTUiLCJjMTYiLCJjMTciLCJjMjAiLCJjMjEiLCJjMjIiLCJjMjMiLCJjMjQiXQ==

did u roll credits

[wheat plover]

not yet

[flint widget]

oh ok

[wheat plover]

wait one sec im being called ill be back

Ok back

Should I not run Reroll if I’ve not done credits?

also is Night not viable?

[flint widget]

uh for now run rerolls

[wheat plover]

i see

is Night any good?

ive been using it for the axe

[flint widget]

and then when youve rolled credits and unlocked ||post game keepsakes|| switch to no rerolls

[flint widget]

only good on specific aspects like eos or ||shiva||

hell ive seen people use night on selene

[wheat plover]

dang

[flint widget]

thanatos doesnt really want night since omega special is absolute dogwater (unless its charon)

you really want to mainly use ur attack and omega attack on thanatos

if u get psychic whirlwind bonus points

[wheat plover]

i see

i also just realized i could fully upgrade aspect of meloine on the axe for free so i did that

is the default aspect okay if its at max rank or no?

this is probably the third time ive ever used bronze in the game

[flint widget]

its nice but compared to aspects like charon or ||nergal|| its probs in the lower tier

[wheat plover]

fair

better then thanatos?

i also need to actually pick up charon at some point i keep just buying moon dust with the cards 😭

[flint widget]

id consider thanatos to be better since it has higher highs than mel axe

[wheat plover]

i see

also no Death on the reroll build?

[flint widget]

i mean its just personal preference

if u want death go take it

[wheat plover]

are death defiances not as important in this game?

[surreal hazel]

More that there's a reasonable option #2 called strength

Also mel axe kinda lives and dies by having dashing heave if you want to get the most out of it

Dash strike is quick and gets the full power bonus

[wheat plover]

i see i see

[rare grove]

pretty much every weapon has beaten 62 fear

[lyric summit]

You can use it at base. Upgrading it can give you extra atk damage + health tho which can be nice

At the end of the day you’ll just be dash attacking and searching for Seething/Dashing hammers

[subtle bobcat]

another day of me trying to beat 32 fear underworld

[mystic mango]

What’s your fear setup if you don’t mind me asking?

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzAsMCwwLDYsMCwzLDAsNSwyLDIsMiwwLDYsMCwyLDIsMl0%3D this is probably the setup I’d give but I anybody trying to do it the first time, though frenzy I know a lot of people aren’t used to

[alpine raft]

everything has done 65 both ways

[crystal viper]

What is the best build with aspect of Pan?

or aspect of Melinoe (the daggers)

[magic grove]

flat dmg like poseidon or hestia on attack

and then you get 2 curses

something like blitz on special, another curse on cast or dash

[magic grove]

if you really wanna lean into the aspect you want like poseidon on special

but the best way of playing pan is using the hammer trick knives and just spamming dash strike

same goes for other blades tbh all of them want trick knives

pan uses it a bit better and depends on it more since actually using the omega special is super slow among other problems

[smoky olive]

So Zeus boons are the best?

[vernal quiver]

Yeah

Zeus + hera is best on like 90% of weapons

[proper cloak]

How did they manage to make Zeus so good twice in a row despite him being super reworked

[viral yew]

He's got too much ego to allow anything else

[proper cloak]

Is Zeus the least changed God from the beta

I know his sprint used to drain magick

[viral yew]

I feel like they all got big changes

[spiral wadi]

zeus blitz used to always require dmg minimum instead of auto-trigger

[fluid plank]

Omg I just played coat of nyx this has to be most fun I had

Still super early just finished game

But now time to do fears etc

So far game seems more balanced then it was
Only stuff I don't like it's hexes although on some builds they are really good

[glossy jetty]

Same, the coat is awesome to play with

The special is just to free to fire off some of the time, and the boosted up sprint is really nice for evasion

[viral yew]

Every aspect has been used for 65f, and with just about every combination of gods and boons

So yeah very well balanced

[mystic mango]

Yeah compared to H1 this game is very well balanced aside from jpom being like the absolute default

[fluid plank]

So what is usual keepsake jpom at the start then what because you can't have any rerrlls or gods boona

[viral yew]

Jpom-chrolex-droplet/amulet/onion/pin/whatever-antler/pin

[dry jay]

I always do:
jpom card chrolex hammer

the chrolex is very strong in the fields of mourning imo
free gold without having to lose out on anything

[alpine raft]

its kinda bad because there arent many important uses for gold at that point

[dry jay]

the humble end shop:

[alpine raft]

yea theres only 2 shops instead of 4 and theyre less important

[viral yew]

Card 💀 💀

[dry jay]

it's helped largely
use that with heph and it's kaboom town

[dry jay]

the end shop has a lot of stuff
also helped me to get more n mare since I dont do testaments a ton

[viral yew]

Rarity is overrated, and if you're taking it for just heph, then it's not worth it

Good for fun runs tho

[alpine raft]

thats what its all about

[viral yew]

https://imgur.com/a/HGaSgVm

Tiers aren't ordered but you get the idea

[viral yew]

It's not good for 62f+, that means it should be deleted from the game actually

[dry jay]

it's useful on other stuff
rarity combined with jpom has allowed for some crazy boons im ngl

[alpine raft]

are you really taking egg more often than hammer

[dry jay]

im ngl a lotta these takes I disagree with to a crazy level

[viral yew]

I have a personal vendetta against hammer

[dry jay]

hammer has been very helpful for me

[viral yew]

Card is better without jpom than it is with it

[viral yew]

Which ones then

Hammer and vial can definitely be higher, I just personally dislike them

[dry jay]

hammer, card, fig leaf

[wild drift]

Knuckle Bones and Sash too

Well I guess Sash is only a 65-67 thing

[dry jay]

fig leaf could be decent i suppose but imo having something that can help strengthen you overall rather than avoiding some encounters is way better

[viral yew]

I'd agree that fig could be down a tier, I just speedrun alot, hammer could be higher but as stated I have a vendetta, and card is just a win more, rather than doing anything useful

[viral yew]

Faster clears are safer clears

[dry jay]

I could see it being very good in later areas on high fear

[viral yew]

I never take it at 62 uw, but I take it for 62 sf, that's why it's so high up

[mystic mango]

For sash being “F tier” I see a lot of 62-67 players use it for survivability in region 2 or 3

Like I actually see it get reasonable amounts of use unlike several of those other bottom tier keepsakes

When you don’t have healing due to scars the ability to get 40 armor immediately and actually gain more over time is pretty significant

I mean if this is anyfear I get it but like it has a genuine and good use case in high fear

F implies “there is literally no reason to ever use this” which simply isn’t the case for sash

I’ve watched somebody using Morrigan use it to prolong their channel speed dress from Arachne since that matters so much to their weapon

[vernal quiver]

Sash in f is crazy but tbf its biggest use is 67 and 99.99% of players dont do that

[mystic mango]

It’s good when it’s good and it’s useless when it’s useless

I can say the same thing about that one specific tool I have in my garage that I’M REALLY THANKFUL I HAVE because it does its job really damn well but only that job

[viral yew]

I don't play 67

[gritty widget]

https://imgur.com/a/ezLXf6S

works

here
@wild drift @vernal quiver

[vernal quiver]

yeah makes sense tbh

[gritty widget]

poor supay sitting at only one clear
and that one was painful

[vernal quiver]

mel coat under selene is funny though

[gritty widget]

i mean

mel coat atack speed is bugged and selene gets a free hex

[vernal quiver]

the hex stinks

[gritty widget]

pov: no gigaros dash

[gritty widget]

[vernal quiver]

iirc the high fear player consensus is that selene coat is one of the worst aspects in the game lmao

i liked it a lot when i first started but then after playing higher fear its just rough trying to play to the hex without some goated luck when you could just play like mel coat and be stronger faster with less effort

[gritty widget]

charging omegas is difficult when you cant afford to get hit, and everything is fast cuz frenzy
learnt that the hard way

not like that stops me from maining torches tho

[vernal quiver]

that too yeah, but then you also get into build messes of ares sucks on coat as is so going for godsent is a bit ill advised, and the star chart not having any consistency really sucks since some runs you have like no powerful purples or any purples at all to get to

[vernal quiver]

tbf moros and eos are insane

[lyric summit]

Nuuu Soup 😭

[viral yew]

😭 😭 😭

[gritty widget]

no beloved twilight curse
saved me a few times

[lyric summit]

Tbf it doesn’t have a Max fear yet so it’s clearly bottom 3 aspects 🙃

[gritty widget]

eos needs to charge o attack or it doesnt really work out tho
and charging it is risky in front of rivals promecles, i suffered BAD on that fight

[surreal hazel]

Twilight Curse might be the best high fear hex simply because it's pretty dang useful without any upgrades

[gritty widget]

im sorry
im bad at soup

[vernal quiver]

as long as you arent doing 65/67 the charging time is moot

[lyric summit]

Start with Sorceress and pray for sudden burst

[vernal quiver]

twilight curse and wolf howl have nothing against my goat scars3 moon water

[gritty widget]

so positioning?
i cast and then charge my omegas
which doesnt work out for bosses

[gritty widget]

aight, if i try soup again

[vernal quiver]

yeah its mostly positioning and timing, and plus with eos you can just run to the other side of the arena, get the ball out, then do things

[surreal hazel]

-100% smelliness and +25% hair style

just have a shower mid fight

[vernal quiver]

exaaactly who needs iframes or enemy clearing when i dont stink anymore

[lyric summit]

Heyyy Moon water Zeal can give origination for 5 secs. Totally viable

[lyric summit]

Oh no that was for Eos haha

[surreal hazel]

Moon water always felt like the weird black sheep of all of the hexes

a hex that has finite uses (for good reason), but also the only one that has lasting benefits outside of the encounter

[gritty widget]

o

[lyric summit]

For Soup just get any combo of boons from Hera/Zeus/Hestia and you’re golden

Mix and match them and you honestly can’t go wrong

[gritty widget]

it really needs upgrades to be useful tho
if i take moon water i always try to get some upgrades fast

[vernal quiver]

bold of you to assume i take path of stars on 67

moon water is there for vibes alone

[gritty widget]

is gigaros essential to making soup work?

[vernal quiver]

if i do get back on to get a 67 i want it to be a moon water 67 so bad

[surreal hazel]

they nerfed it in EA to have a base heal of 15 down from 25 for some reason

[lyric summit]

Not really but it can help with early rooms if you’re struggling

Honestly you don’t really need it until 65 tbh

[vernal quiver]

at 62+ kinda yeah

[surreal hazel]

It's cool when it happens, but I feel that hexes generally are too exponential in power, so many of them are just assbutt out of the gate

[lyric summit]

Persistence gives you 3 Omega Specials to work with until you find your first boon

[vernal quiver]

toula + gigaros becomes like all of your early game damage and then you have to hope for some good god luck

[gritty widget]

i get why
but it makes it really upgrade dependent
which i suppose is a good thing, otherwise you can just facetank and click hex

[gritty widget]

aight

[lyric summit]

But ye soup’s damage is pretty awful until you get boons

[gritty widget]

toula as a damage source
soup base dmg sucks but that bad? dang

[lyric summit]

Yeaaaaa

We don’t talk about the 67 soup experience 💀

[vernal quiver]

could always just have a better gaming chair and hit the perfect build by room3

[lyric summit]

Truuuu

[gritty widget]

i dont needa imagine
i reckon my limits 50f, with my best aspect and best luck

[surreal hazel]

Supay is basically the Olympian Damage aspect

since it has none of its own

[lyric summit]

Gimme Gigaros Heaven flourish Static Trusty And Nexus/heat rush by Room 5 pls

[lyric summit]

50 should be fine yeah. Just don’t take onion 😂

[surreal hazel]

Even Gigaros Dash is being used for its actual damage rather than the status effect

[vernal quiver]

most i can do is selene, ares, and some poms

[gritty widget]

game: i understand, enjoy ares attack and special

[gritty widget]

havent taken onion for 200+ runs lol

[lyric summit]

Selene Cinerary circle and a bunch of ash 🙂

[surreal hazel]

Maybe if you go long on Hestia then you can use Slow Cooker to make Supay's damage actually workable

[vernal quiver]

strongest erebus start

vs the weakes ephyra with zeus hera and a perfect hammer hit

[lyric summit]

Strongest Erebus restart ye 🫢

[surreal hazel]

but one of the sources of Fire is Apollo and he's really not a fan of Supay

[gritty widget]

ima go get soup its first ever surface clear in my save file

[lyric summit]

Hell yeah

[gritty widget]

0 fear of course

[surreal hazel]

Volcanic whatever works nicely on Supay though since it will basically always proc on recharge

[lyric summit]

Nah you can do 32

Judging from your recent eos wins just now lol

[gritty widget]

i just struggled getting a 34f surface using eos, and this is like my 3rd ever time using soup

[lyric summit]

Smithy Sprint Soup you say 😏

[surreal hazel]

Do some weird synergy of slow cooker and martial art to get supay to actually do something itself

[gritty widget]

sounds nice actually
since thats actual damage

[surreal hazel]

with ares for wounding and that delicious Rallying Cry

Hestia/Hephestus/Ares/Hera is a pretty solid non-zeus supay setup, thnking about it

[gritty widget]

fine ill take frenzy 2

[lyric summit]

Grabbing rallying and grievous can honestly be fine ye

Heinous Soup goes pretty hard too

The only downside is you need to interact with ares

[surreal hazel]

of all the aspects though? Supay is probably the best ares user

and if we're talking heph/ares then Coffin nail is on the table and that is a monster with cut above on supay

[gritty widget]

o dang
ima pick up an ares boon fr

[lyric summit]

Oh truu

[surreal hazel]

(Honestly great on any torch)

Cut above and coffin nail.... like having blitz on all omegas without occupying core slots

[lyric summit]

I’d also put an argument for Charon too for cutting edge hostile environment and coffin nail

[gritty widget]

i like mah scorch atk and hitch/freeze specials

[lyric summit]

Hitch my beloved

[surreal hazel]

definitely a strong choice

Hitch everyone

be a one-goddess shotgun wedding party

[lyric summit]

After doing high fear for a while I honestly have been debating whether Hitch is the best curse lol

Blitz kills things, but hitch makes sure I don’t die on 65+ 💀💀

[gritty widget]

eos hitch special is unholy

[surreal hazel]

at extreme fear then yeah, hitch just gets better and better

Blitz' main advantage is that it can damage bosses

[lyric summit]

I think I’ve honestly just chosen Hera over Zeus 9/10 just cuz of that

[gritty widget]

aint no way soup just critted for 45
thats crazy

[surreal hazel]

jpom hereditary bane is just disgusting

[surreal hazel]

it can crit for 30 if it's the regular special

crits so low that even Air Quality takes pity on them

[lyric summit]

Soup Nexus rush is pretty funny for rival sirens. You just run in a big circle until they die 🙃

[gritty widget]

crazy damage honestly
ive never seen damage that high even during my speedruns

[lyric summit]

Hel and Soup love some of that AQ

[surreal hazel]

Supay actually gets value out of Reckless Abandon

[gritty widget]

yo ares cast is doing the bulk of my dmg rn

[surreal hazel]

it's the second highest base damage cast

AoE damage, that is

[gritty widget]

yo jpom nexus rush with furies orig huntress is carrying rn
im learning soup with every boon i get fr

[surreal hazel]

Hope for apollo and/or heph for those stabby duos

[gritty widget]

heph attack or special would go crazy compared to this critting for 45 shenanigans
but hey if i run at something and put down a cast they take actual damage

[surreal hazel]

Hrmmm. Cast damage tierlist is like... Arctic > Rapture > Tidal > Solar > Smolder > Blade > Anvil

with Engagment and Storm rings doing their own thing as group death and boss death respectively

[lyric summit]

Soup surface deffo seems a lot more fun to play

Early boons in Ephyra and chance to grab RA 🍷

[surreal hazel]

You actually get boons earlier on so you suffer it less

Inb4 you get hex and hermes start

[lyric summit]

Just a quick undo night and resalute combo

[wild drift]

But also Lubbers and Anchors and Harpies are even worse than Wastrels and Lurkers and Hippos

[surreal hazel]

Just take nimble limbs if it shows

[flint widget]

i probably have the fastest undo night into resalute ever thanks to supay gigaros resetting

[gritty widget]

rn rocking deep dissent with soup

[gritty widget]

did my first ever soup surface clear
blitz did most, cuz on specials
cast 2nd cuz ares
somehow attack is third
hex fourth
rushing 5th

[lyric summit]

Yeah attack fires intermittently whilst specials are always out so that makes sense

Blitz is probably the best special you can get for soup, though Hestia/Hera are also fantastic

But ye congrats 👏

[gritty widget]

thanks
https://imgur.com/a/3Cf5X57 after playing supay successfully and after what plum said, i swapped supay and selene on my list

supay is so fun to use when you have a proper build going

i enjoyed the run

[lyric summit]

Woo Top 20 aspect 🙌

[surreal hazel]

What's this a list of?

[viral yew]

https://imgur.com/a/UWXk37s

[vernal quiver]

hel slander 🥀

[viral yew]

Fight me

[manic shuttle]

Charon aka worst high fear weapon S tier

Anubis not that good either

Mel axe & coat are only good with certain hammers

Nyx should be 2 tiers above them both

Shiva is only better than Selene

[viral yew]

I'm not taking comments

[manic shuttle]

But Selene has a better dash strike so maybe not

[viral yew]

It's not a meta list dawg

Aint that deep

[manic shuttle]

I'm just expressing my comments lol

Nothing deep

Eos should be 2 tiers above Supay too

[austere trail]

I feel like you'd be better off making your own tier list (with blackjack and hookers)

[austere trail]

anubis in S tier is peak 💪

[manic shuttle]

Nah commenting on others tier lists is more fun haha

[manic shuttle]

I like playing Anubis, but it's one of the few aspects with a max fear clear so

[lyric summit]

Karen Nooby and Soup bottom 3 aspects truly 😭

[manic shuttle]

Yea maybe I should make a anubis run with a % attack boon, never managed to finish one before

[vernal quiver]

hereditary bane anubis ive heard is funny

or arc flash

[manic shuttle]

Sounds great in biomes but you probably need to add more stuff for bosses (fine line, slow cooker, ...)

[gritty widget]

you are someone who can aim medea well
your tierlist says it all

i am someone who cant, therefore a rank
XD

[broken escarp]

if you were into shield in hades 1 medea is basically the same thing as bullrush

its the only aspect i like in hades 2

[surreal hazel]

bullrush lite, but much much faster

[broken escarp]

they basically made hera into a shield again which is what beowulf did

without the block ofc

[surreal hazel]

medea?

[broken escarp]

yeah

[flint widget]

my goats mel blades and momus that low is crazy

[viral yew]

Yeah my best time is a 5.13 uw

[viral yew]

Everyone hates me cause i'm a woman

[flint widget]

https://giphy.com/gifs/bro-sigh-ashamed-fT3OUK1DTJAI76ZF0i

[flint widget]

get ur time up not ur funny up

[viral yew]

Nah i'm playing other games

[flint widget]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-ishowspeed-speed-stream-ishowspeed-stream-speed-nod-gif-1082323842437565509

[surreal hazel]

I was thinking "The longer your attack combo is, the worse the aspect". It works mostly, then I remembered the coat

[flint widget]

anyways heres my overall tierlist (in terms of both high fear and fun runs): https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1283830399683919906/1491053799325040681/image.png?ex=69d64b90&is=69d4fa10&hm=cea176a87a7416a8152ebbf46f35758e3025ddb154005350a33854ae8d72128f&animated=true

[surreal hazel]

how they butchered you, Momus

Also kinda funny that Selene is technically just a slower moving Mel with a free hex out of the gate and it's somehow still bad

[magic grove]

Thanatos so low saddens me but it's fair

[surreal hazel]

It's the framework for a great weapon, but it just doesn't come together

[magic grove]

I still don't think it's bad, I prefer it over any blades that isn't morrigan

I still wanna do 62 on it

[flint widget]

its personal preference tbh, thanatos is ok when it comes to fun runs but really kinda sucks on high fear imo cuz its either like zeus attack attack spam gaming or psychic whirlwind gaming

or maybe im just sleeping on thanatos

for speedrunning its amazing ofc

[magic grove]

i'm garbage but yeah it felt like it sucked a lot when i tried doing 62 with it

for speedrunning its so fun

i really love scythes so i have that bias

[surreal hazel]

reaps the weak

[fluid plank]

So I tried Hestia Zeus and Zeus heph for nyx coat what other combination are good for nyx coat in your opinion

I play charge up, attack, attack, special reapeat

Sometimes weave dash strike here and thete

[wild drift]

Great thing about Nyx is almost everything works

Gods I least like to see with it (for attack and special) are Demeter, Ares, and Aphro

[flint widget]

hera special, activate nightspawn and spam specials ez game

[wild drift]

But even Aphro can go insane on special with the Poseidon duo

[flint widget]

ripper rockets gonna be ur goat for this one

[wild drift]

Shimmering Nightspawn Sworn Flourish is so overkill for roomclear but I love it (and need it because I still struggle so much with timer)

[crystal viper]

hmm I think Demeter and Zeus are really good

[magic grove]

demeter is good for safety, zeus is good in general broken god

but for the attack since blades are a fast hitting weapon something like scorch or poseidon waves is really good

[crystal viper]

But if I choose Poseidon or Hestia for the attack, why would I choose Zeus, aside from static electricity?

[magic grove]

blitz on special

and you want two curses for origination

[crystal viper]

ok i go try this thanks (with Pan or melinoé)

[surreal hazel]

Also storm ring is just good

If you really don't wanna blitz

[rare grove]

because blitz, static and storm ring

blitz often leads the damage board

[subtle bobcat]

love this list (but as an axe main, id say melinoe axe is severely underrated)

[rare grove]

What are moros downsides I wonder

[viral yew]

It was one of the first aspects for max fear so I wouldn't say it's underrated, just deserves the hate

[lyric summit]

Lowkey agree. Mel axe with the right hammers can be disgustingly strong

Honestly think it’s the 2nd strongest axespect at high fear

[vernal quiver]

Seething slop type beat

[forest pulsar]

so i just unlocked the xinth what are some good builds for it? or combos?

[vernal quiver]

Thats coat yeah?? Poseidon/hestia attack then blitz/hitch on special, best hammers are exhaust riser and shimmering rockets iirc

Basically dont touch omegas

[glossy jetty]

the omega special is awesome tho no??

lets you get good damage in at a safe range

[wild drift]

So does the normal special

But yeah some of the best coat players apparently recommend using the Ospec every so often, but I play with auto-fire so I never use it lol

[vernal quiver]

zero reason to build into it when the base does like basically the same thing with less commitment and build necessity

its a good omega dont get me wrong but like ignoring it isnt crazy to do

and once you get to higher fears when your decision is either a super good boon to put on your special or a gain, youre gonna be choosing the former cuz denial

[lapis acorn]

How the hell do you use the Medea aspect of the skull? (Like an archana/ gods of note/ hammer)

[wild drift]

Ares/literally anyone attack, Zeus special

Best hammers are Boosted Ignition, Colossus Driver, Melting Break, and Possessed Array, Looming Ignition and Volatile Array are good too

With Colossus Driver Aphrodite special is very strong

[surreal hazel]

tap attack ONCE before using special, repeat

[flint widget]

needs magick in order to be good and isnt as safe as something like eos or supay if u get the build right

[fluid plank]

So is it only me that thinks that Charon axe plays kinda similar to bow from Hades 1?!

But with better advantage that you can actually move before full power

[viral yew]

Uhhhh no

[icy crypt]

how should i be playing nergal

doesnt feel like im healing a ton

[wild drift]

Omega attack

But I never play it without Psychic Whirlwind so I'm warped

[flint widget]

even without psychic its still omega attack

way more value than whatever the hell omega special is

[lyric summit]

Hold OAttack and try and get as many enemies within your range as possible

Psychic's the best hammer but Seething can work really well too

Oh and iron core for ++healing

[flint widget]

colossus lowk goated when it comes to omega attack gaming since u always want ur omega attack out

[lyric summit]

Truu

Lowkey kinda fun to play Dashing Heave and bonk everything too 🫢

[wild drift]

Oh is Colossus just basically permanent damage reduction with Psychic?

[lyric summit]

ye

Attacks

[wild drift]

Also always wondered how tf Colossus Driver damage reduction works with Hel

[lyric summit]

Same as Seething which is nice

[median anvil]

only works for like the 5 frames you're throwing it out

[wild drift]

I knew it was too good to be true lol still a great combo with Runic though

[fluid plank]

So question about nyx coat I noticed that when I have hera on special basically clear becomes insane but then I auto attack so much that I don't know what I should be running tbh

Like Hestia attack is really good duno I just feel that way on nyx

But then I have no space for zeus

[wild drift]

Hestia, Poseidon, Zeus, Hera, Hephaestus all good on the attack depending on how you use it

[mystic mango]

Ares is fine if you’re doing heinous funny

[surreal hazel]

You can just have storm ring

[mystic mango]

“Just take storm ring” is such a sad but true way to win with any aspect

[vernal quiver]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/912456622440325213/1491743706376831017/image.png?ex=69d8ce16&is=69d77c96&hm=1977e5ebc9424718d4c7d8c56d5c42f951561919eb0bd24ad4d8d553124ec4c8&

sommething something you never forget something something

first run for months and i make it to gramps on a 62 with strength no lovers

Damageless gramps lmfao

[surreal hazel]

Time was that storm ring needed the cast to be omega before it would start striking lightning

[final sedge]

what fear should I try next after I cleared 32 fear?

[wild drift]

I went 32-40-45-50-55-58-62 (with some weird numbers like 34, 42, 46, and 47 sprinkled in)

[final sedge]

can you basically do all of that with every weapon every aspect?

I still need to clear 32 with more than just a curated supay run with seed reset until I got zeus and hestia

[wild drift]

I have every aspect at at least 45 but I really hate some of them so some are staying there probably forever, I did my first 32 on Circe, then almost all my firsts to 50 were with Mel Staff, then I started diversifying

[final sedge]

I'm not sure I like the sister blades, basically any of the aspects. I probably just need to get better at the morrigan, but all of them seem to struggle with damage output for me until I get some really good combo popping, and even then it just feels okay at best

I haven't gotten used to how slow the morrigan's special returns to you and how short it's range is... last morigan run I struggled.

[lyric summit]

When in doubt, we go trick knives hammer 🙏

But ye knives can feel pretty stubby and weak without the right boons

[final sedge]

love trick knives... but what about when you don't have trick knives?

Also, unless I got zeus or some cool duo going, even trick knives doesn't wow me.

[wild drift]

Yeah all my Blades runs are resetting for Trick Knives at the start because I never learned how to play them without lmao

[lyric summit]

Dash attack then special tbh. Reaper knives can be pretty good too, Zeus/hera/Heph work well

[wild drift]

Yeah it's really annoying, but the Triad is very strong and fun, and if you get Final Slice (and Wicked Onslaught) you can just ignore the Triad

[lyric summit]

Apollo with Back burner especially on Mel Blades too

I might have a 65 vid without trick knives. One sec

[final sedge]

I never really understood how to get consistent backstabs , maybe I just don't appreciate it enough.

[wild drift]

Yeah I was baffled watching the two max fear clears with no TK

[lyric summit]

Looking back at my vods, seems like Gigaros does most of the work in Erebus until you get Zeus/Hera lmao

[flint widget]

u have

ur pan 65f

[lyric summit]

Oh yeah

Both Pan and Artie which was funny

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9P2v38w0lnk

Gigaros + Zeus spam tbh. TK would've gone hard

[timber fossil]

So... How exactly am I supposed to use the skull...? I like how much damage I can do with it but I just can never survive past Eris if I go up

[dapper elbow]

is there a guide that shows the base stats of the weapons and their aspect?

[final sedge]

skull is really good, hope you learn to use it.

[wild drift]

There's a Hades wiki but idk how accurate it is, you can just test on Schelemeus though

[timber fossil]

That's why I'm asking T_T

[final sedge]

https://hades.fandom.com/wiki/Nocturnal_Arms

When you click the names of each weapon on that page it will take you to a new page where you can find all the damage numbers.

[final sedge]

depends, but if you're using the normal mel aspect, just fire out skulls and when you use your special, you collect your spent skulls from far away. Also, charging omega special gives your dashing special thing iframes. Not sure whatelse you want to know.

[timber fossil]

I've been using aspect of Medea. I'm dealing a lot of damage but I'm just taking a lot too

[final sedge]

medea you just do one attack and then special, kinda roll your thumb from attack to special. Problem is special you don't have iframes, so be careful about the special taking a lot of face damage. It's not a popular way to play, I get called a newb... but when there is a tone of scary damage in my way, I charge up a ospecial to get the iframes even with medea

with a leveled up medea, just put zeus on special, and almost any boon is enough damage on your attack to make zeus blitz pop with one hit, so that's when it really pops off.

[timber fossil]

I'm playing on PC so it's really easy for me to attack/special. I didn't know the charge gave I-frames, I'll keep that in mind

[thorny junco]

I am the only one that feels H2 cast are a bit on the lesser side of satisfaction? I dont feel the utter catarsis of tripy flare, hunters or poseidons on H2 tbh

[spiral wadi]

probably the only one ya

circe staff and charon axe are the two cast-oriented aspects that are good

pan exists and is bad

[alpine raft]

dont you ignore casts more often than not in h1

[thorny junco]

Pan is just nerfed Chiron lol

[thorny junco]

also true

[tall notch]

The crowd control of h2's cast is amazing

[wheat plover]

is killer current all that good?(zeus posiden boon)

i dont have lightning effects but it seems alright

the alternative is geyser sprout on charon

honestly on a surface look geyser sprout seems better

nvm i got impatient and choose geyser sprout

[flint widget]

geyser spout is the best damaging boon on charon tho

[mystic mango]

I mean it's only a 30% additive damage buff that only applies to zeus effects. If you've already got a lot of zeus and an easy way to apply froth then yeah it can't hurt but I absolutely wouldn't take it over geyser on charon

[wheat plover]

wounds lasts until you do a strike right?

[viral yew]

No, it lasts 3 seconds

[wheat plover]

i see i see

is tropical cyclone any good?

[viral yew]

Eh, it's ok

[proper cloak]

Try to stack every boon you can on the omega cast with like ares demeter and Apollo. Bonus points if you're using circe staff. You can make quick activation zones of death that obliterate regular enemies

[turbid karma]

Hm, how are you using them? They can be pretty potent. Charon and Circe are both great aspects if you want to go cast heavy, but Zeus, Hestia, Poseidon and a few others can be heavy hitters even in a normal run

[thorny junco]

I think maybe its me trying to force glorious disaster thinking its as OP as zeus from H1, cuz charon doesnt hit so hard as to make me go "Awooga"

for the looks of it, it doesnt even work with charon...

[viral yew]

Glorious disaster is really bad

[viral yew]

Nope

[thorny junco]

yeah, highsight is 20/20 unfortunatly

So whats the best one? just gayser?

[turbid karma]

geyser, anvil, apollo cast are all good!

ares is good, and that gets you into the boon pool for the spinny thing he has for omega cast

[viral yew]

Not ares cast tho just any other ares boon

[viral yew]

Geyser spout with apollo cast

[thorny junco]

why apollo spefically? ive used ares for the most part