h2-builds-and-combat

[mystic mango]

It works on all enemies including Typhon

You have to have freeze applied

If freeze is on cooldown it won’t activate

[restive bolt]

ohhh i see, thank you!

[mystic mango]

Yeah the enemy has to be actively under the effects of freeze and under 10% health

No problem

Cold storage makes it more effective

[wild drift]

I have seen that it doesn't work on Prometheus in someone's video before

I think there used to be a bug where it would end the Rivals fight early

[mystic mango]

🤷‍♂️ idk maybe bro is on fire so he doesn’t freeze and it’s an Easter egg

[tough torrent]

wouldn't scorch also not work then cause like

he's already on fire and crud

[torpid oak]

I did a run a while back that uses winter harvest on prometheus: https://youtu.be/rIHDxqKY32A?si=70ZYfeOShG81Qect

[wild drift]

Maybe it was only Rivals? Or maybe it was also patched out already

[spiral lintel]

so like why do i still have the eris boon on my great chaos below trial

i had it for my random keepsake in mourning fields, now i got engraved pin as my last random one, but i still have the bell keepsake?

[wild drift]

You probably rolled Discordant Bell

[spiral lintel]

i thought you could only have one at a time

[wild drift]

Yes it persists after you change keepsakes

[spiral lintel]

MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN

i HATE that one

literally my last achievement to 100% hades 2 this is gonna be my crashout fr oh boy here we go at least i got 4 dds

[wild drift]

Silver Wheel, Fig Leaf, and the Fates' Whim keepsakes are the others that keep their effect after switching

I guess Experimental Hammer too technically

Oh and Transcendent Embryo

[spiral lintel]

ooh i see. didnt realize fates stayed?? i just always keep it until the last fight

[mystic mango]

Yeah fates whim keepsakes stay for the entire run unless you break fates whim by taking a keepsake that summons an Olympian god (Selene doesn’t count cause she’s not Olympian).

That’s what makes them so strong is jeweled Pom just gives you a hades boon the entire run and 3 levels on every boon that can accept Poms

time piece gives you a ton of chances for free gold

[flint widget]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-ishowspeed-speed-stream-ishowspeed-stream-speed-nod-gif-1082323842437565509

[mystic mango]

And calling card lets you wait until you get a boon you actually want to rarify

[flint widget]

ah yes a book

[mystic mango]

Phone auto correct 🤷‍♂️

[flint widget]

https://giphy.com/gifs/oh-ooohh-of-course-NcrhM3USM6TABpus85

[mystic mango]

And it’s literally 6:30 in the morning an I just woke up

https://tenor.com/view/torutism-toru-angel-devil-torutism-angel-devil-toru-akiangel-gif-2216952919932079357

[flint widget]

https://tenor.com/view/the-dude-yeah-well-you-know-thats-just-like-your-opinion-man-gif-10470601

[mystic mango]

Mods, disable all gif use on this server, bro CHANGES when he gets access to them

[flint widget]

https://giphy.com/gifs/you-are-lying-man-lie-U335adiNvcKJGdACMB

[mystic mango]

You’d probably buy nitro and turn every gif you use into a sticker so you could still use them

[flint widget]

im not spending money on a damn messaging app

[mystic mango]

Good

[gritty widget]

I WANNA USE THE BLACK FLEECE BUT I HAVENT TAKEN ENOUGH DAMAGE
AND I HAVE HERMES LEGENDARY SO I CANT JUST GET HIT

what absolutely terrible planning on my part

[tough torrent]

just take it anyhow as an empty brick

[vernal quiver]

black fleece kinda stinks anyway

[gritty widget]

is lion fang better?

for moros

sub 10 mins surface is kinda hard

[mystic mango]

Only reason to use black fleece is if all your damage is coming from omegas

It doesn’t apply to anything that isn’t damage directly being dealt by omegas

Including not counting for god effects created by attacks and specials or main cast damage besides the omega explosion

[gritty widget]

the biggest damage is omega but normal attacks do play a role
is what i think about torches
i dont like lion fang because the dmg vs final boss is low

[mystic mango]

It’s 20% global damage buff vs Typhon

By the time you reach him

That’s not nothing

And if you don’t take detours it’s 25% vs chronos

[gritty widget]

hmmm
so its second best behind antler? with antler requiring a high skil level

[mystic mango]

Generally yeah unless you’re going for a specialized build or need extra survivability

Evil eye technically is second place for chronos if you plan to take detours

But that’s a whole endeavor

[gritty widget]

but that does increase the enemy weight
which your dps keepsake doesnt help with
so more of a fear run thing than speedrun?

[mystic mango]

Knuckle bones is also good for rivals Typhon

[gritty widget]

[mystic mango]

Evil eye just buffs your damage against what last killed you

And the buff is technically higher than lion fang would be by the time you reach Typhon or chronos but doesn’t help with anything before that

As said though knuckle bones is solid for rivals Typhon or also rivals Prometheus since you can hitch the damage on them

[alpine raft]

you should never go evil eye over fang yea

although my flow chart will never land on fang either really

[mystic mango]

Fang is “I don’t think I need extra survivability and just want damage, but I’m not good enough to run wantler yet”

[alpine raft]

yea just antler and tooth for me these days

[gritty widget]

yup thats me

im lazy and facetank typhon with 3 DDs in store too often

[digital juniper]

perfect description of it tbh

[clear sail]

oh aspect of hel.... i love it so much . im so glad they decided to make sure there was at least one Gun aspect

[neon grail]

What exactly makes Zeus so strong I’ve heard it a lot but I don’t know why

[mystic mango]

You can just hit an enemy a single time with a move you use less and it will give you a pretty big hit of damage with blitz while also counting as a curse for origination

Also storm ring is the highest damage cast in the game

And static shock is a massive damage buff to weapons with high fire rate while also being amazing at room clearing

He has just some of the most consistent and highest damage boons in the game

As well as multiple really good duos

Some really bad ones but multiple good ones

[rare grove]

arc flash on torches blitz special will win you a run by itself

[tough torrent]

arcflash is sure a thing that exists

[mystic mango]

Arc flash is mediocre to bad on many weapons but absolutely insane on the weapons that use omegas

Arc flash on Anubis oattack is nuts

Arc flash on Eos is insane

[tough torrent]

when you want it its like the best boon you could possibly be offered, but yeah i guess not everything wants it

[mystic mango]

Most weapons in the game are best played without omegas and so it’s borderline useless alongside power surge

Zeus has some near worthless boons that only work in very specific situations of weapons, but his great boons are so insanely good that it still makes him S tier

[tough torrent]

zooz moment

[rare grove]

mostly, but power surge mirrored thrasher is a thing of beauty

[mystic mango]

Yeah and aside from like sudden burst torches it’s the only time you’d ever take it

It’s amazing in one specific situation but otherwise it’s utter garbage

Like Heart Breaker

[golden relic]

(running persephone) so I picked up 2 second hep rush (lv 9 purple) , to pair with hestia attack + cast and dem special

offers at endshop are 43% glow vs +165 grand caldera

which is likely better dps add?

I feel like both are really good choices here

caldera especially if chain reaction comes up later

but 43% glow though

[rare grove]

you have origination, and Hestia isn’t a % boost, I’d go caldera

[flint widget]

id say glow tbh

[mystic mango]

Glow personally because a bit of extra blast damage isn’t gonna compare to 43% total damage buff

Since I guarantee the majority of your damage isn’t coming from the 2 second smithy rush

[golden relic]

I took caldera and the run cleared but each boss I beat with <10 seconds left

glow absolutely would've been better

43% is fat

damage card had rushing at only 54k

ranked 4th:

scorch 170k
omega special 102k
attack 100k

oh well, learning experience

plus smithy rush is obnoxious to proc on skull weaps

the range on the proc is so bad

[mystic mango]

Yeah a 43% damage buff is insane on a 2 second application timer

[golden relic]

idk what I was thinking

[mystic mango]

If your smithy rush timer was longer it might not be as worth it but still

[golden relic]

yeah and glow is what, like 5 seconds

[mystic mango]

Yeah

Longer than froth

That long of a damage buff that ALSO activates origination is insane

Glow is amazing

It’s one of the few things I’ll use Card on

5% per rarity

IMHO it’s one of the strongest boons in the game on the right build

It makes EVERYTHING so much stronger

[rare grove]

[gritty widget]

heph is good?

[turbid karma]

Heph with a fairly fast cooldown is great!

Works well enough on more or less any aspect of any weapon, frankly

[jovial schooner]

persephone skull for the head start on heph CD

[thin gazelle]

yes, though he really needs rarity and poms

[gritty widget]

zags card x jpom for heph is what i learnt from this message

[thin gazelle]

even without those, he always works as a good support with trusty shield

[gritty widget]

is that the one giving temp shield each encounter?

oh yeeee that ones amazing

[mystic mango]

Heph very quickly becomes the entire focus of a build if you get the right gods

Honestly the only duo he has that isn’t at least good is love handles imho

5 duos that all affect blasts

One that makes blades really good

One that makes you super survivable if you have a good gain

One that makes chain lightning to nuts damage at close range

And then one, love handles, that can be pretty good with sunny disposition but otherwise is just kinda whatever

[tough torrent]

brave face can be kind of rough sometimes

[mystic mango]

That’s why I mentioned having a good gain

[tough torrent]

i mean if you don't use mana you don't need a good gain

it can just be, like, bootleg armor

[mystic mango]

Well then at the least it lets you reduce a couple hits yeah

A 30% damage reduction is nothing to scoff at

Even if it’s only for a few hits

[tough torrent]

i also dunno if i like the apollo duo

since it removes your daze

if you have apollo rush its not that bad to get it back on at least

[mystic mango]

Apollo cast works perfectly with chain reaction and multiple blasts in general

Since it reapplies so long as enemies stay in the cast

So if you’re going for rude awakening just go for Apollo cast

Since it instantly reapplies daze. Issue solved

[tough torrent]

i see. I usually write off apollo cast cause its awkard to use for damage

[mystic mango]

Good when it’s good

[mystic mango]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1233146305308528650/1473319004960587776/Hades_II_2026-02-17_07-59-56_-_Trim.mp4?ex=69ca82bf&is=69c9313f&hm=21ae2037c815f42063379161da975e08f88e5ea1f1213befb13121f75d75d0d8&

Just a goofy build

Triple blasts with rude awakening

Obviously far from optimal since I didn’t even have grand caldera or furnace blast cause of vow of denial

But went all in on the funny

Just was a fun run

[lapis acorn]

any good builds for the ||anubis|| aspect?

[spark crown]

Good ehh funny yes hera attack Apollo spec or vice versa a fun

Or Zeus attack can be fun

[wild drift]

Hestia/Zeus/Poseidon attack, Hera/Zeus on special, Hera/Apollo especially if you'll be using the Ospecial

[clear sail]

maybe its just bc im unlucky but any tips for zagreus? i've yet to beat him once- partly bc ive only encountered him all of like, thrice and it's always been in erebus meaning i'm never very strong when i fight him and he does so much damage 😔

[spiral wadi]

i think u kinda just have to rely strongly on paying attention to what attacks that zagreus primes himself to do and reacting accordingly, he has a tell for when he does the circle swipe (which is doubled post-defiance), when he's doing the spear jabs he usually does three at a time (i think they can chain into another set of 3 but i don't recall), and if he's running towards a pillar he's probably trying to get a cast out

[lapis acorn]

was doing the hera trial and got kings ransom and only had the cast with zeus and i had a level 45 cast lol (i lost the promy fight tho)

[surreal hazel]

So 250+ base damage lightning strikes? lol

Storm ring doing blitz damage 3 times a second

[flint widget]

zeus attack dem/heph special hestia/dem cast and nexus rush is my dream anubis build

room clear all u need to do is place omega attack and run around the room ez game and for bossing place omega attack down ez game

[mystic mango]

Or go all in on ospec

Dual moonshot and Apollo or Aphro spec

ET if you’re really lucky

[rare grove]

yea stop taking zag fights in Erebus

on surface he won’t show up til Thessaly

[narrow acorn]

Got a PB at 47 fear with pan blades

[icy crypt]

does the heph poseidon duo bring the heph blast cd below 2 secs

[manic shuttle]

Yea

[manic shuttle]

Mel Coat feels so bad after getting used to Nyx, wish I didn't make the surface run, now I feel like I have to do it in uw

[vernal quiver]

1.5 specifically

so super nice but not insane

[surreal hazel]

It's like a slightly faster moving Nyx with none of the fun stuff

I can't decide if the blades or coat has the most indistinct non-hidden aspects

[gritty widget]

Uw: jpom fig/zag droplet/fig/sash fang/tooth
Surface: jpom zag/fig knuckles fang/tooth
what yall think

[vernal quiver]

Uhhhh r2 should be chrolex/fig depending on what youre doing

Calling card is too niche compared to a billion dollars

Fig also shouldn't even be taken past r2 especially for uw

And imo pin > tooth any day

[surreal hazel]

Calling Card if you somehow have heph on your run but no blast boon yet

[vernal quiver]

Probably blades they all end up as tk bots no matter what after a certain point

[surreal hazel]

Probably yeah, exhaust riser isn't quite so prevalent

[manic shuttle]

Ok did it I'm free

Nah background recording didn't work, this is the 2nd time this week

[wild drift]

Shimmering Rockets >>>

[surreal hazel]

Yeah, the coat doesn't just have a "Get this upgrade only" and "everything else" hammer issue

even though shimmering rockets is pretty dang good

[gritty widget]

because of the guaranteed ten seconds of time?

[wild drift]

Yes and if you're under 60 HP you can intentionally die to recover to 60

I usually run it for both Fields and Tartarus

[gritty widget]

im assuming this is for high fear runs?

also do you have a general direction i can aim for (boons to get) and aspect to use for my coat testament clears?

[wild drift]

Yeah if I have not that high HP after Scylla I'll take Pin, if I played Scylla well and am healthy I don't feel like I need it

I like to focus on special with the coat

Hera/Zeus are the best on the special, Hestia and maybe Poseidon work too

On the attack any of Zeus/Hephaestus/Hera/Hestia/Poseidon work, if you get Exhaust Riser you probably want Hestia or Poseidon

[gritty widget]

is there somewhere i can check for hammer offerings
i have no idea what exhaust riser does

[wild drift]

Exhaust Riser makes your dash-strike hit 6 times instead of 3

The weapons section in the Codex shows you hammers

My favorite hammers for the coat are all the special hammers though, but that's because it's better for playing safely at a distance

[surreal hazel]

This is probably the time where I repeat my bit about how furious rockets lies to you about what it does and how it works

[wild drift]

Oh yeah I remember you saying that and I ended up having it for both of my Nyx 58f clears

[surreal hazel]

halving the cooldown between being able to mash regular special is probably its biggest stat

and it doesn't even tell you that

[gritty widget]

also on the topic of nyx
i dont get how the aspect nyx and artemis works

[surreal hazel]

Nyx is easier to explain

Hold rush, charge up 30 mana > Faceplant into enemy to cause an explosion

for 5 seconds thereafter your NORMAL attack and special splits into two on impact

(The splits cannot damage the same enemy that the main hit)

[wild drift]

Also I believe the special splits into two at the end of its range too even if it doesn't hit anything?

[surreal hazel]

yeah, and your punches do even when you punch air

[gritty widget]

also for coat specials do you guys mean spamming normal special or charging omega special

[surreal hazel]

basically, run face first into enemies, smoosh fingers into attack and special buttons

[manic shuttle]

Does double strike affect twilight curse godsent?

[surreal hazel]

for Nyx, you barely ever use Omega special

[surreal hazel]

....Twilight curse?

Dark side?

[gritty widget]

just dash and spamming attacks and specials?

[wild drift]

I believe it does, Haelian did a video on it where the damage output increased with Double Strike

[manic shuttle]

Twilight curse godsent lightning bolts

[surreal hazel]

Yeah, brawl like it's a barfight in a spaghetti western movie

[manic shuttle]

Feels like it does

[surreal hazel]

oh right, that double strike, yes, it should

[wild drift]

For Artemis, you can block any single source of incoming damage with a Parry that recharges after 15 (?) seconds while channeling Oattack, after which you are impervious for 1 second, and your next 9 hits of attacks or specials have a 50% crit chance

[surreal hazel]

Double strike procs off of any Zeus lightning bolt (Except only one roll on divine vengeance because fml)

[gritty widget]

sounds simple enough
can finally clear coat testaments after 260 nights

[surreal hazel]

Extra chicanery, if it matters:

[gritty widget]

12 seconds
also it says occasionally, not guaranteed
do any of y'all know what the % is to parry

[surreal hazel]

The dash boom from Nyx is considered an omega rush move, so any effects that trigger on "Omega Moves" or "Omega Damage" will affect it

[wild drift]

It just says occasionally to mean it recharges

[surreal hazel]

100%

[gritty widget]

excellent language use and clarification, thanks game

[gritty widget]

[surreal hazel]

same wording as Volcanic Strike "occasionally" causing a blast

[gritty widget]

id rather the text be longer and say its a recharge cuz occasionally just makes it seem like not 100%

anyways
coat testaments

[surreal hazel]

Like, Fine line will increase the cost and cause a fine line to spawn with it

Chaos Talent will reduce its cost

anything that specifies something like Omega attack etc... will not proc

[gritty widget]

ima take frinos cuz im a bit scared

[surreal hazel]

since it's an omega rush move, and while the devs could make some boon that procs off of omega rush damage specifically, there isn't any

[deep yacht]

does anyone have a 29 grasp surface build. i cant seem to find any darkness for the 30 grasp

[surreal hazel]

Do you know where to look?

[deep yacht]

chaos portals

[surreal hazel]

they're much more common in the underworld, just sayin'

[deep yacht]

i took like 50 in the underworld and yet none

[surreal hazel]

you might need to go underworld for the conversation to happen

[gritty widget]

wait im stupid
i can just kill the boss that has a bounty and then intentionally die
i dont have to do the whole route

until i do

[surreal hazel]

do it anyway and just enjoy playing the game

[surreal hazel]

You can just crank the fear up to 20(?) and do all of the bounties for that one weapon in one sweep

[deep yacht]

i guess ill just do 100 runs in the underground till i get the darkness

[gritty widget]

YOU CAN DO THAT????
oh gawd

[gritty widget]

ima try
but i was geniunely dying in erebus with coat, had no idea what i was doing

[surreal hazel]

the game doesn't tell you, but yeah

[surreal hazel]

The coat isn't that complicated, run, punch, mash special, dodge when needed

it can be extremely autopilot

are you just picking bad vows?

[gritty widget]

0 fear

im just exceptionally bad at coat

[surreal hazel]

are you just picking bad arcana?

[gritty widget]

that i cannot say for certain
it was at least a hundreds run back

[deep yacht]

@surreal hazel what did u first upgrade witrh all your insight

[gritty widget]

burnt two death defiances on prometheus and on my last inch of hp
yup not beating typhon, no way

[surreal hazel]

errrrrrr, was during EA so eh

doesn't apply

[gritty widget]

aint no way, i did it
boost x nightspawn is so much better than mel coat

[surreal hazel]

oh yes

[surreal hazel]

Want to know part of the reason for this?

Mel Coat is lying to you, its attack speed increase is slightly buggy and more like 5% faster

(The speed boost is applied correctly though)

[wild drift]

Also all coats give shadow move speed bonus right?

[surreal hazel]

shadow?

[gritty widget]

[surreal hazel]

as in, unstated move speed bonus?

[surreal hazel]

yeah, I think the coat is slightly faster

[grave parrot]

yo how should i build aspect of morrigan it kinda seems like the triad is the focus for damage so what kind of boons and stuff should i be getting for the weapon itself?

[surreal hazel]

You can build around that, but you don't actually have to

you need to understand the basic attack combo is 11x3, 33x3 in terms of power

and the attack sequence is just two attacks

so Final Slice is a SS+++! tier hammer for the morrigan

and on-hit boons like flame and wave strike work really well due to how many hits you get out really quickly

Sweeping ambush and Wicked Onslaught also deserve mention

Morrigan special is largely regarded as a bit terrible, but it's still workable

but you can't build around just your special since it doesn't work until the slow projectile returns

[flint widget]

sweeping is always better than final slice if you have the magick regen for it but yeah id say final slice is the goat overall

[surreal hazel]

A pity they don't combine in the way that wicked onslaught and final slice do

[flint widget]

how so

[thin ridge]

How did they never fix this

[tough torrent]

It pops triad

Thats about all I can say for morrigan spec

And it can deliver curses as well i suppose. Not much else sadly

[viscid patrol]

Really?
I actually managed to beat Unrivaled Chronos (16 Fear), and have yet to ever beat Unrivaled Typhon.

[opal pecan]

Insert a "typically" in there if it helps :P

[viscid patrol]

Okay, I'm trying to figure out what vows I'll take in prep for my 32 Fear Underworld run.
In all probability, I'm going to go at it with the Eos Umbral Flames so I can keep my distance where I can help it. I'm open to hearing out strats for other Flame aspects, but you'll be hard-pressed to pull me away from the one weapon I cleared all the Testimates for.

I'm currently considering
Grit 2
Wards 1
Frenzy 1
Hordes 1
Menace 2
Return 2
Fangs 1
Scars 1
Debt 2
Shadow 1
Forfeit (Onion) 1
Hubris 2
Rivals 3
(I don't trust my dodging to handle any Pain vows, and my window of focus often causes me to miss the stray enemies in the back & cost seconds that would be vital for any Time vows. I somehow made it work in my successful 24 Fear Surface run, but I know from experience how Denial can trip up a run before it can really get started.]
{Void is a non-starter. I suspect only a select few, if any, will argue with me on this one.}
https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzAsMiwwLDMsMCwzLDIsNSwxLDEsMiwzLDAsMCwyLDAsOF0=

Any assumptions or glaring mistakes in my thinking that I should reconsider?

[wild drift]

Forfeit is way worse than Denial imo

[viscid patrol]

I can understand the logic there.
It certainly tripped me up when it cropped up during my attempts on the Great Chaos Below Trial.

And for the 1 fear difference between Forfeit & Denial, I guess I shouldn't have too many issues if I only take Time 1.

[proper cloak]

forfeit is wayyyy worse than denial. denial is just annoying and unfun but it doesnt ACTUALLY make you weaker. its not like it even reduces the amount of boon offerings like approval process. forfeit is like, kinda hell

i could accept the argument that denial is less fun

imo denial, scars, return, and forfeit just are not fun to play with at all

and oh yeah void

void is so bad i dont even remember it exists

[viscid patrol]

Alright. I'm now considering two possibilities.
Both using:
Grit 2
Hordes 1
Menace 2
Return 2
Fangs 1
Debt 2
Shadow 1
Hubris 2
& Denial 1

One is my attempt to be optimal and just get it through, even if it's not the 'cool' way to get a 32F win. () :
+
Wards 1
Frenzy 1
Scars 1
Time 1
Rivals 3

& One is me trying to go for the symbolic way and end on a definitive 32F victory, even if it's hard-earned ( ):
+
Wards 2
Rivals 4

So, which one?

[surreal hazel]

Final slice and sweeping anbush don't stack

[dusky totem]

Just finished a Supay run with breaker rush, I quite like it gameplay wise. It's fun to have to play around, the range is large enough to not be frustrating, and the damage is pretty good... Although it was still only ~50k damage at end screen when blitz was double that... But hey

Also Static Shock was almost the same number despite me getting it a biome and a half later

[mystic mango]

If you have jeweled pom and divinity the damage scaling is pretty big on Epic Lvl4

160 base damage is nice

Only reason I don't use breaker rush is having to learn to play without auto-sprint

[dusky totem]

Yeah that's what I had and yeah it's nice damage

I still had auto-sprint on but it does mean I have to stop before dashing again. I'd say overall it's less annoying than no auto-sprint, but it's definitely something to remember

[mystic mango]

Without auto-sprint you can just tap sprint on and off and don't have to kill your momentum

[fair bane]

Poseidon's boons are really good, I love frotting

[mint fog]

Agreed!!

[flint widget]

https://giphy.com/gifs/oh-ooohh-of-course-NcrhM3USM6TABpus85

[surreal hazel]

Blitz and static shock are amazing choices on supay, so that'll be why

Supay might have a rush damage aspect bonus, but that doesn't mean you centralise your build on rush damage

You focus on the fact your attack, special, cast and rush can all be active at the same time, even though the base damage of the first two is terrible

[golden relic]

I've been grinding surface 58 supay the past day, it's fun but a good challenge

Playing this aspect is really good too because I never really learned how to maximize dps off of rush boons alone

[surreal hazel]

It's about the only time lightning rush is okay

[golden relic]

Hell I almost never took breaker/thunder/heat rush prior to this but now realize how powerful they can be

[surreal hazel]

But at the same time, blitz is so much better as a choice for a zeus core

[golden relic]

My one run last night I had blitz attack, static shock and thunder rush

[surreal hazel]

Heat rushs's biggest issue is that it isn't scorch so half of her t2s and duos don't appear

[golden relic]

That was the farthest I've gotten so far on 58 (1 or 2 chambers after Olympus midboss)

[surreal hazel]

But hey, at least it makes flash fry more likely to appear

[golden relic]

I never take that boon is that worth at high fear?

Same thing with dying wish

[manic shuttle]

Flash Fry is one of the best boons in the high fear lol

Dying wish is good if you don't have hereditary bane

As an alternative I mean, ofc you can take both

[golden relic]

Guess I'll start taking flash fry more often then

[golden relic]

Yeah my one run last night I started hestia and my offerings were special, attack (both common) and epic heat rush, I took special just to get orig up earlier and imo that was a mistake

Just because of hrush damage, I just need to get better at not taking damage while using it

[surreal hazel]

Flash fry is disgustingly good at speeding up your room clear

Also heat rush and AQ is kinda lulzy

[golden relic]

Yeah it stinks with supay sometimes early on I gotta turn down the overall better boon just because I need more dps/speed

[surreal hazel]

But frigid does it better

[golden relic]

So if dem and zeus are in the same run I should aim for that then?

[surreal hazel]

5 Air isn't quick to get online

[golden relic]

Heck for that you wouldn't even need fates whim for dps with that

[surreal hazel]

Particularly because the other air sources aren't supay friendly

[golden relic]

Reroll ephyra to start dem-zeus-aphro- apollo/hera

You are right about that

[surreal hazel]

Blitz doing all the work there

[golden relic]

Aphro cast I guess

[surreal hazel]

Or gain

[golden relic]

Group them up drop the gust on em

[surreal hazel]

You really want blitz and then scorch, splash or hitch on the other weapon slot

[golden relic]

Im running hecuba so I can get away for a few chambers until I need a gain

[surreal hazel]

Maybe wounds

[golden relic]

Yeah that's always been my go to

Sometimes wounds bc grevious

[surreal hazel]

Vicious flourish on a heinous smite build is super stupid good

[golden relic]

If he doesn't offer that at least cut above typically comes up, ares gain is actually good on supay too

[surreal hazel]

Yeah, you can actually run to retrieve the plasma

[golden relic]

Though grievous can't proc with scorch right?

[surreal hazel]

Also supay gets the most benefit from plasma of any weapon

[surreal hazel]

Sadly not

[golden relic]

What else besides scorch can't crit / proc grevious?

[surreal hazel]

Supay is kinda crazy in how attack and special speed also benefits its omegas

[golden relic]

Wdym by that?

[surreal hazel]

Okay so

Special speed increases its damage tick rate and rotation speed

For normal and omega

[manic shuttle]

Freezer burn, blood triad

[surreal hazel]

Supays omega attack is a fixed 4 second state that replaces normal attacks with omegas

At the same attack speed

And supay has no attack and special animations, so it gets the full effect of plasma

+100% literally doubles your attack and special speed and also omega output

[surreal hazel]

Incandescent aura

Or is that just crit. Idk

[golden relic]

Oh yeah that part I've noticed, I think special orbit speed is the best hammer no?

[surreal hazel]

Hidden helix tbh

[golden relic]

Or the +1

Yeah that one

But the +1 makes it hit faster as well so essentially it accomplishes the same thing, just better

Oh wait do you mean getting the Hermes boon increases the speed the omegas attack at too?

Nimble limbs iirc

[surreal hazel]

+50% special hits, smaller deadzone for proccing curses

[surreal hazel]

Definitely

I saw that

[golden relic]

Holy crap that's HUGE knowledge, never knew that

Lmao can't say $hit

[surreal hazel]

No mega blaze on supay though

The +20% attack speed hammer

Hidden helix is better still on other torches since it doubles your basic special

Eos loves it

[surreal hazel]

You do need to remember that omegas on supay doesn't actually add that much more power

+10 attack, +5 special

Woo.

[golden relic]

Yeah it's just aoe increases

[surreal hazel]

Slow cooker though...

[golden relic]

I always end up taking something else

[surreal hazel]

It's so good here

[golden relic]

Except pyro never comes up early for me

[surreal hazel]

Base attack is only 15, special is 10

[golden relic]

And on hestia special runs that sucks once I get to late thessaly

Increase base damage matters more to fast hitting weapons no?

[surreal hazel]

A pity that demonic cell is assbutt

[surreal hazel]

Which supay definitely is

[golden relic]

Whoa, watch your language

[surreal hazel]

Hurrr

[golden relic]

What about like, wounds attack with aphro +200% special, is that a viable build

[surreal hazel]

No

[golden relic]

Oh wait aphro special only procs at certain spots right?

[surreal hazel]

Omega special orbits too far for flourish

[surreal hazel]

The radius is basically cast radius, for reference

[golden relic]

Ok so Apollo or hera instead at a high%

[surreal hazel]

Apollo since he provides fire for hestia

[golden relic]

God they nerfed aphro attack/special so hard after H1

[surreal hazel]

Flourish goes way bigger than h1 ever allowed, but there's a time and place for it

And that place isn't the torches

[golden relic]

I mean there's the range thing now and no weak applied on hit

[surreal hazel]

Dual moonshot mel staff? Rock on

[golden relic]

And the % are the same iirc

[surreal hazel]

Nah, way higher in h2

[golden relic]

Guess I was mistaken then

Well, still the highest compared to other gods which is what holds the same at least

[surreal hazel]

Yes

[golden relic]

But typically Apollo ends up being better though

Imo

[surreal hazel]

I like the direction they took aphrodite. Balance aside

She wants you to get up close and personal and all of her boons push you that way in different ways

Apollo is similarly well themed, and his elements even have theme

If it makes something bigger, air, if not, fire

Heph and demeter have good element theming, hera, hermes and aphrodite do not

[golden relic]

Blinding rush and nitro boost should be swapped to make sense but obviously that would be broken

Hermes I think makes sense though it was much better done in h1

Like damn near every h1 Hermes boon was speed-related

[surreal hazel]

He all about base function modifiers

[golden relic]

Also hyper delivery my absolute beloved

[surreal hazel]

He's been utterly reworked from EA

[surreal hazel]

Hyper sprint or rush delivery?

[golden relic]

Hyper delivery = the insanely stupid OP combo of the 2

[surreal hazel]

Ahh

Greatest reflex was also stupid good

[golden relic]

Imagine if zag card was in h1

[surreal hazel]

Hah

But also travel deal is bonkers

[tall notch]

H1 Hermes was busted, I'm glad he's more balanced now

[surreal hazel]

He's a support god, cant be run defining

[golden relic]

Yeah but I'd almost always take hyper sprint over GR in case rush delivery comes up, unless GR came at rare or higher or I was running a dash strike build

[surreal hazel]

Ultra hard hades 2 trivia challenge, name the elements on each hera boon. No cheating.

Exactly

[golden relic]

Yeeeah no

[surreal hazel]

There's no rhyme or reason

[golden relic]

Dem's gust boons not being air doesn't make sense either

[surreal hazel]

She's water/earth quadrant

So they're water for being freeze related

I still have a mental image of a compass for the 9 primary gods

Air is up. Water right, eartn down, fire left

[golden relic]

Yeah that compass is the cleanest info pic ever

[surreal hazel]

Hera is in the middle, and clockwise from.the top it's zeus, aphrodite, posideon, demeter, ares, hephaestus, hestia, apollo

[golden relic]

I don't remember how it's organized but I remember which gods are what

[surreal hazel]

If you're on a diagonal, it's both elements

Cardinals are mono element

[golden relic]

I miss dio being a core god

[surreal hazel]

Water god here

Athena is fire, artemis gets air and earth

Hermes gets the lot, but not evenly

If every god was a full boon giver, artemis would go full earth and hermes air, but eh

[surreal hazel]

He has no design space left now in h2

Hestia took it

[golden relic]

I just found an expanded compass - the animals give you elements too?

[surreal hazel]

4 of the 5 forage types do

But... you're capped at 1 of each element that way per run

50% chance each time

[golden relic]

Ah so once you get one you can't get another

[surreal hazel]

For that element

[golden relic]

Can gale give anything

[surreal hazel]

Dio was a very wonky god in h1 anyway, his t2s were ass

[surreal hazel]

Tool-less forages give no elements

Festive fog is basically just mels cast

Hangover is a much messier version of scorch

Athena has a much poorer identity in h2 since so few enemies use standard projectiles

Artemis likewise is a bit... unsuitable for h2 design

They'd all need redesigns

And.... 30 new duo boons

[golden relic]

The 3+ Hangover global % boost one was great the others were meh

[surreal hazel]

Was it?

[golden relic]

Yeah that one could pop off

[surreal hazel]

How often did you have 3 enemies hungover and not just about to die anyway?

[golden relic]

But most Hangover builds weren't very good and they nearly always got outclassed by zeus on that attack/special instead

Hangover dash was booty cheeks but his call was the best call in the game (as long as you didn't have another Hangover source to override it)

And that call didn't give a lot of active uptime for that 3+ Hangover boon

[surreal hazel]

Hangover overstacking was really opaque and hard to understand

[golden relic]

They "replaced" h1 Hangover with scorch for the most part

[surreal hazel]

Yes

[golden relic]

Great change really

[surreal hazel]

and it is much easier to understand

[golden relic]

The cast still confuses me but yeah

[surreal hazel]

What confuses you?

It doesn't pulse every second, if that's what you're thinking

Well. Sorta

It tries to add scorch every tick to all enemies caught by the slowdown effect

But whenever it successfully adds scorch, it also gives that single enemy 1 second of immuity to more scorch from that cast

[golden relic]

So it adds scorch, gets boosted by pyro but also gets boosted by cast damage bonuses too right? (Like braid)

[surreal hazel]

So enemies first touching the cast will always burn

[golden relic]

So when the cast expires are enemies still scorched or no?

[surreal hazel]

Cast bonuses multiply the scorch stacks applied

[golden relic]

Ok that explains a lot

[surreal hazel]

And just cast damage bonuses, not global

[golden relic]

So does pyro +200% actually increase the whole cast by that much then?

[surreal hazel]

Once scorch is applied, it's just scorch like any other

[surreal hazel]

Pyro affects scorch itself, not sources of scorch

It just increases the conversion speed of scorch stacks to damage

How the scorch got there is irrelevant

When scorch does damage, global and olympian damage bonuses apply

[golden relic]

So say I get 125/sec cast - that's a cast that applies 125 scorch to enemies every second at a default burn rate of 100 per second? Over 3 seconds

[surreal hazel]

Yes

[golden relic]

Okay. Thanks. I think I finally get it now

[surreal hazel]

Pyro just changes that 100/sec to a bigger number

[golden relic]

So pyro really doesn't increase smolder ring total damage then

Unless you have the one that adds more scorch on first proc

So then mid cast once it runs out it re adds that amount

[surreal hazel]

Pyro only gives more damage when the cap starts being relevant

[golden relic]

Or other scorch source

Total damage you mean, I mean dps

[icy crypt]

Will every rocket from a cost omega special trigger cut above

[golden relic]

And also that 125/sec - what's the tick rate on the scorch add?

[surreal hazel]

Will try to

[surreal hazel]

Once per second, you get 4 ticks in one cast optimally

[golden relic]

I thought casts are 3 seconds though? So wouldn't total scorch be 375 if they're in the whole time?

[surreal hazel]

Fenceposting!

First and last ticks of a cast count

[surreal hazel]

Cut above has a cap of 3 swords existing at once

And a single enemy can only have one with its name on it

If you read that and think "wow, won't coffin nail really help here?" Then yes, yes it does

[golden relic]

When you get both blade duos

Hnnnggg

[surreal hazel]

On the torches...

[golden relic]

On supay babyyyy

[surreal hazel]

A sworded affair

[golden relic]

Ares clearly op, best god in the game

[surreal hazel]

When he wakes up and gets the duos he wants

[golden relic]

I've only recently come to realize just how cracked grevious actually is

I knew it was good before

But didn't realize it was that good

[surreal hazel]

Take the % chance and that's a multiplicative damage bonus on everything

On average

Mutual destruction is only held back by white antler existing

[golden relic]

Like using card to get 20% means in a lot of instances your dps is now +40-60% higher

[surreal hazel]

Common success rate W

[golden relic]

Heroic success rate mega W

[surreal hazel]

Ares loves success rate

[golden relic]

For real

[surreal hazel]

A common one is basically the sane as making his common chance boons heroic

All of them

Profuse bleeding, grisly gain and visceral impact dith success rate

The melinoe pinata party

Go paint the town red

[surreal hazel]

Errr

It's 20% higher

An X chance to do +100% damage averages as +X%

It's the fact that it's a final damage multiplier that's insane

And can multiply again by crits

[golden relic]

Wait so you're saying grevious is a multiplicative boost not additive?

I'm saying that if you've got orig up and/or % boost on special, etc, after grevious wouldn't mean you're doing triple damage on procs, might be more like double, etc

[wild drift]

Yeah Ares crit by Grievous Blow and Mutual Destruction is multiplicative

[golden relic]

Ok sick

[surreal hazel]

Yessssss

That's why it's so bonkers

[golden relic]

I genuinely didn't know that I thought there were no multiplicative boosts in this game

Even if it was additive, still nuts already

[surreal hazel]

Crit is triple, that's why crit chances seem so low, they need to be to be balanced

[surreal hazel]

Nahhhh, wouldn't be close to good

[golden relic]

I suppose it would depend on the build

[surreal hazel]

Other globals like shameless would be just better

[golden relic]

Flat damage builds still big boosts

I miss clean kill and heart rend

[surreal hazel]

Clean kill though?

[golden relic]

Increases crit damage by like, 15%

[surreal hazel]

30% more crit. Yay.heart rend with 150%

[golden relic]

I forget what rarity that was for 15%

Or 30% I guess lol

[surreal hazel]

Common? Idk

Wasn't worth it tbh

[golden relic]

Heart rend on guan yu charged skewer with chaos flourish

Or hestia

[surreal hazel]

Now we're talking

H1 tier 2 and duo balance was so wonky

[golden relic]

H1 had way more cracked duos than h2 does

Which is good

[surreal hazel]

But also total duds

Cold embrace....

[golden relic]

Because h2 is so much more skill based over being rng based

Yeah more worthless duos too

[surreal hazel]

H2 at least has some funny duds like glorious disaster

Even that goes wild sometimes

Air quality, winner's circle

Apect of Circe

Then your prom flare is doing 3k alone

[golden relic]

I do love warm breeze being offered 100% of the time it's available to me though

[surreal hazel]

In an AoE

[surreal hazel]

You don't know how good you have it. What the duo in that slot was before...

[wild drift]

Warm Breeze + Plentiful Forage + Blood Spree + Moon Water on Scars 3

[surreal hazel]

Phoenix Skin....

[golden relic]

Do you mean pre-release version?

[wild drift]

I just looked that up WTF

[surreal hazel]

Very early EA

[wild drift]

How was that not a Demeter duo with Tranquil Gain

[surreal hazel]

+5? Hp/ sec regen.... if you didn't attack, special or cast in the last 3 seconds.... oh and -100 max hp

[golden relic]

Was the -100 only when you initially took the boon?

[surreal hazel]

-100 max hp

Negative 4 centaur hearts

Not "take 100 damage"

But it was really dumb, the regen worked during boon selection and dialogue

[golden relic]

Oh wait you also couldnt deal damage? Wtffffff

Lmao

That's so hilariously dogwater

[surreal hazel]

They were afraid of free regen in a rougelike bring too good

You could start every room at 100% hp. Nice, but -100hp murdered it

[golden relic]

Athena dem duo in h1 was fine

[surreal hazel]

Stubborn roots?

Eh

Boring as hell

[golden relic]

It wasn't good but it wasn't bad

With a single SD if you knew what you were doing you could really capitalize on it

[surreal hazel]

Oh yeah, torrential downpour and apocalyptic storm were EA duos that died

[golden relic]

Once it made the difference and allowed me to survive and beat EM4 dad

[surreal hazel]

Somehow glorious disaster survived all of EA

[golden relic]

Somehow GD returned

[surreal hazel]

It got rebuilt because prominence flare was Solar ring

And got detached

So while GD was technically untouched, it got buffed repeatedly by proxy

AQ buff, winner's circle added, prominence flare no longer locking out your cast

Torrential downpour was.... uhhh

Every omega cast does 20% more damage than the previous but costs 5 more, resets every room. Wut

[golden relic]

Weird

Well thats why playtesting exists lol

[surreal hazel]

Apocalyptic storm died with the blitz change that meant it procced when it expires rather than fizzling

Was cool as hell but is obsolete now

Now we have the boring but practical hailstorm

[golden relic]

I feel like hailstorm is one of the worst duos in h2

[surreal hazel]

Apoc storm added 7 seconds to the blitz timer, but if you popped blitz on anyone, it popped on everyone

[wild drift]

60 DPS 🥶 ⚡

[golden relic]

Cold fusion was amazing in h1

[wild drift]

I just took Air Quality over it when I had 3 air lol

[surreal hazel]

Hailstorm is 'fine'

It's free damage that doesn't get in the way of anything

Double strike and cold storage boost it

[golden relic]

Actually 30 every half second is actually ok I thought it was 20 for some reason

[surreal hazel]

But it's never on the damage chart

[golden relic]

But AQ though

Now cold storage that's a boon I never take

[surreal hazel]

Whyyyy

[wild drift]

Actively bad for Freezer Burn but actively good for Cryo Pounder right?

[surreal hazel]

2 seconds of freeze by default... tripling

[surreal hazel]

Not bad for freezer burn actually

[wild drift]

Good thing Cryo Pounder doesn't clear Freeze like Rude Awakening clears Daze cause that would just make it even midder

[surreal hazel]

Also thaw's 10 second counter starts with freeze, not after it

[surreal hazel]

About that....

[golden relic]

Because you can just reapply freeze

[surreal hazel]

Room Temperature: blasts clear freeze and thaw so you can reapply freeze

[surreal hazel]

Errrr, no?

You know about Thaw state right?

[golden relic]

I don't, no

[surreal hazel]

Freezing applies two effects

Freeze, and thaw. Thaw lasts 10 seconds and prevents freeze being reapplied

Stops freeze just stunlocking enemies

[golden relic]

Oh. Does the game tell you that somewhere? I never heard that anywhere before

Makes sense though

[surreal hazel]

I think the freeze tooltip says

Thaw counts 10 seconds ftom the start of freeze

So cold storage is more uptime overall

[golden relic]

Well learn something new every day I guess. In these past 2 days of playing supay I realized like all the boons I never take are actually useful

[surreal hazel]

Freezer burn is odd

[golden relic]

So that leads to my next question- which boon(s) are actually the worst overall ones in the game then? Excluding the boons that are useless because of scars 3

[surreal hazel]

When it procs, it silently gives the victim 2 seconds of scorch immunity

[surreal hazel]

Ionic gain, dazzling display?

[alpine raft]

heartthrob stuff

[surreal hazel]

Ehhhh. Heartthrobs are pretty good occasionally

Sunny D is lulzy

Profuse bleeding? Kinda poopy

[golden relic]

Profuse is ass

I only take it if I want heinous added to the pool sooner

[surreal hazel]

Engagement ring due to opportunity costs

[onyx ibex]

Last achievement in the game I need is rivals 3/4 of surface. Are there any weapons/builds that are best specifically on the rivals 3 fight?

[golden relic]

Engagement ring is awesome imo

[surreal hazel]

Errr,wrong boon?

[golden relic]

Oh yeah mixed it up

[surreal hazel]

Profuse bleeding is plasma from wounded enemies

[golden relic]

Actually that one is better imo

[surreal hazel]

Hiiiiiitch

[onyx ibex]

wait I lowk like ionic gain I had it on my gca clear iirc

[onyx ibex]

hitch on anubis attack is one of my favourite things

[surreal hazel]

It's not bad bad, but it's the worst core from zeus and worst gain overall

[onyx ibex]

did they rebalance since release?

[surreal hazel]

Nah, visceral impact is way better usually

[onyx ibex]

I mostly played that first month, leaving literally only rivals 3/4 of surface open to do

[surreal hazel]

Worst doesn't mean bad, just... zeus has blitz

[onyx ibex]

no I agree w u on the zeus bit ya

[surreal hazel]

Blitz has the advantage of being blitz

[onyx ibex]

just thought there were some worse gains

like heph and dem

[surreal hazel]

Dem is a better ionic gain

[golden relic]

Ok, debate- blitz vs jolted

[surreal hazel]

Jolted so bonkers

[golden relic]

Jolted would be beyond busted with the aggro of h2 enemies

[onyx ibex]

dem I find is only good if you're running card and pom/rarity boost it

[surreal hazel]

Tranquil gain is like an ionic gain you can do wherever you want

[alpine raft]

what demeter boons are you wanting rarity on

[onyx ibex]

dem gain was what we were talking about

[alpine raft]

oh right

[onyx ibex]

can't off the top of my head think of all her other ones

[surreal hazel]

Doesn't need more than jpom and common to be good

[golden relic]

Tranquil is so annoying sometimes

sometimes

[alpine raft]

yeah it starts so high already

[surreal hazel]

You play supay, tranquil is great there

[golden relic]

Oh I know

4 runs in a row I got wolf howl and 3 of them I had tranquil too

[surreal hazel]

Ionic can give more output than other gains, but other gains do stuff

[golden relic]

Wolf howl is the single best thing about tranquil

[surreal hazel]

You like wolf howl? Ever experimented with tremor?

[onyx ibex]

This is tickling parts of my brain I used to know how these things combined

[golden relic]

Tremor?

[surreal hazel]

Wolf howl bright upgrade

[golden relic]

I forget which one is that

[surreal hazel]

Adds your rush boon to wolf howl

[onyx ibex]

iirc my fastest chronos kill was with the beam and I had triple apollo beam maxxed out and placeable and I could just drop it on chronos at the start of phase 2 and he died before it ran out

[golden relic]

The shield add?

Oh yeah that one is awesome but I didn't get to it on any of my supay runs

[onyx ibex]

I've never gotten into supay tbh

though I think it was my gca clear weapon?

[golden relic]

How does that work exactly? Like if I have heat rush does that hit enemies with heat rush effect for 1 tick?

[surreal hazel]

Ninja'd

Tremor and nexus rush is disgusting

[golden relic]

Interesting that ares duos work with it but not chain reaction

[surreal hazel]

Why would chain reaction work?

[golden relic]

Oh it doesn't effect smith cd

[surreal hazel]

That looks at the boon cooldown timer... and tremor just ignores it

[golden relic]

Nvm

[surreal hazel]

But hey

Duality gives you two procs

[golden relic]

Touche

How long do you get to proc chain reaction?

[surreal hazel]

1 second from the cooldown ending

Pretty easy on supay, difficult not to proc it tbh

[stable herald]

Supay is my favorite for Heph blasts, it's full uptime basically for free

[viscid patrol]

Okay, guys.
I've made it through the Fields on 32-Fear.
I opted to only take the Vow of Rivals 3,
and I've got almost 17 minutes left on the clock.
I've still got 2 Death Defiances, which I'll hopefully hang onto for the big confrontation.

Before I step into Tartarus proper, I'm trying to decide on which keepsake I should use for this final stretch.
Should I go with the Knuckle Bones to try to tear apart Chronos quickly, like Hades & the others did back in the day?
Or should I go with the Luckier Tooth to make up for the fact I never quite mastered dodging the harder Insta-death attack?

[turbid karma]

I’d recommend Moros pin, personally

[viscid patrol]

Quick Question.
Does the Dark Side Hex circumvent the Damage from the Moros pin?

[turbid karma]

at the absolute minimum, it gives you 10 seconds to just focus on pure damage once it activates because you’re invincible for that duration. Best case scenario, you phase him in those 10 seconds and it will refund you the DD!

[turbid karma]

moros pin damages you?

[viscid patrol]

If time runs out, yes.

[turbid karma]

i thought it just gave you back a DD if you won and didn’t if you lost

huh. not sure then!

[viscid patrol]

I guess I'm in a good spot to test that out, then, if the walk back to the house is rougher than I'm prepared for.

[vernal quiver]

no thats not quite how it works

you still have 0hp while the timer is ticking, all it does is delay the death unless you clear the room so any inulnerability doesnt do anything to affect that

otherwise dark side + pin would literally make you immortal

[viscid patrol]

What ended up happening was that the pin triggered near the end of phase 1, but I managed to make the push into phase 2.
The Moros DD wasn't refunded, nor was I left at 0HP.

[vernal quiver]

yeah cuz you passed the check it works between p1 and p2 of gramps

thats just a thing that it does, it doesnt refund cuz its the same fight but it saves a dd so :P

[vernal quiver]

not even just p1 and 2 iirc it just works between every chronos phase

[turbid karma]

right — it saves a normal DD, not the moros icon!

[golden relic]

on supay is explosive intent or increase poseidon special by 3 better?

I did just land arterial spray

[mystic mango]

I mean it depends if you’re using omegas

I rarely do on Supay personally

[golden relic]

I mean it's supay so yeah

special omega

with is also posideon

[mystic mango]

Eh it’s more time not spent rushing

[golden relic]

currwently 50 per hit

[mystic mango]

It’s not a bad option

Take it then

[golden relic]

increasing poseidon to 65 weould be great too

[mystic mango]

You seem to WANT to take it so then take it

[golden relic]

idk which is likely better dps

explosive intent adds to cut above which i got too

[mystic mango]

Then do that if you’re using omegas a lot

It’s just I wouldn’t normally take it myself since I usually don’t use omegas on Supay

Except to activate huntress

[alpine raft]

huntress on supay is massive

[mystic mango]

Yeah not activating huntress ASAP in Erebus is just asking for encounters to take ages

Takes a lot of flat buffs to make huntress not an absolute necessity

[flint widget]

thing is even with huntress dmg is still dookie

[mystic mango]

Yeah soupy depends so heavily on rush boons and flat buffs for damage

I need to make my soupy god build

Heaven strike, sworn flourish, storm/smolder ring, thunder rush, glamour gain. Could take nexus rush or born gain just to get kings ransom cause big numbers

[wild drift]

Supay god build for me would probably be Hephaestus + Zeus + Hestia + Apollo though you'd have to choose between Blinding Rush + Smolder Ring Thermal Dynamics or Heat Rush + Solar Ring

Though this isn't really unique to Supay lol

[mystic mango]

Blinding rush doesn’t give me damage though

Like yeah speed but what do I need speed for if I’m always moving

I don’t need to reposition between standing still quicker because I’m never standing still

So like I get it that you can reach enemies faster but I think having nitro or hasty is plenty

Since soupy damage is pretty low without a solid rush boon or a ton of scorch/blitz or cast damage

But a good rush boon can basically carry on soupy

A good Jpom thunder rush can nearly one-shot most of Erebus

Nexus solos Erebus

[wild drift]

Yeah it's mostly for the duos which again are not unique to Supay, that would be a god build for pretty much any aspect lol

Soup-specific builds would be like you said Thunder Rush Double Strike King's Ransom or Stabbing Rush duos

Too bad there's no T2 for Breaker or Heat Rush to apply a curse

[mystic mango]

Thunder rush is just like having a storm ring that’s ALWAYS active

[alpine raft]

cleared by hestia sprint tho

[mystic mango]

Thunder has WAY more potential damage

Due to double strike

But for multiple enemies yes heat rush is potentially stronger

[jade raptor]

Im playing charon axe (im not the best with slow weapons) and im wondering who can speed up omega attacks (other then hermes)

I havent played in months, so please bare with me

I was thinking apollo on cast with either aphrodite on something along with hephaestus or I go with someone who gives you power so the power plays well with the percent increase

Wait his cast upgrade doesnt make it larger, thats another upgrade ._.

[odd bolt]

You shouldn't be using omega attack on charon

Assuming you're talking about the omega special to trigger the casts, you can make them faster with Hermes as you mentioned but also there's a hammer

A good tip is that you can dash mid omega special and still keep the charge

Usually you want something like apollo for your regen and then a curse on the cast like Apollo or Poseidon and other on special like Hera, you also really want geyser spout from poseidon

[jade raptor]

I meant special, sorry about that

I managed to get the hammer and epic Hermes on omega speed... as for regen, I (regrettably) went with hephaestus, but I get three shields and have like 250 mana? Idk its somehow working out

I think i just love my ranged weapons, because the bow was my favorite in the first game

[odd bolt]

fair, but you can play Charon in a more ranged way

[jade raptor]

Though I didnt know that about the dashing, I just dash when I need to, and it... yeah, I didnt really think about it until you said it... also thats why I chose upgrading charon over thanatos

[odd bolt]

the trick of dashing mid omega special is the most important part, when you get used to doing it the aspect becomes significantly more satisfying

you can also just blow everything up with geyser spout and super nova

[jade raptor]

Is it kust me or is typhon easy? I find his attack sequence VERY satisfying... but please dont ever suggest me to do the rivals typhon, I will cry

What is geyser spout? Because super nova makes the cast big, right?

[odd bolt]

yeah once you get used to his attacks he's quite easy

[odd bolt]

your omega cast has more power, its from poseidon

[jade raptor]

OOOOH

OH THATS NIIIIIIIIIIICE

I also got the thing where I cast my omega special twice and I defeated typhon within a minute 😭

Did they nerf the poor guy?

I literally skipped his third phase, so I did so much damage he immediately summoned his babies

[odd bolt]

From EA? I believe so

[odd bolt]

Pretty normal when you have a good enough build

[jade raptor]

True, but I guess when you get your eye and tail beaten up youre not gonna feel so great

I also practically skipped his first phase too...

[gritty widget]

OMG
i keep going headfirst into runs with the wrong familiar

no gain boon no hecuba surface run with torches sounds so peak doesnt it

[manic shuttle]

Gale better

I only use Hecuba with Charon uw runs tbh

[mystic mango]

Honestly having done a few runs recently on Moros torches with Hecuba you can get by pretty well with just persistence until you get a good gain. But if you expect to go for ripple sudden burst or other magick heavy stuff it can’t really hurt to take Hecuba to be safe

[sand crow]

is scorch affected by global damage buffs like Last Gasps?

[mystic mango]

Yes scorch damage is affected by all global damage buffs. The only thing it can't do is crit

[sand crow]

Interesting

Does the number on the enemy actually change to reflect that or is it that the damage it deals every tick is multiplied by global damage behind the scenes

[mystic mango]

Scorch deals damage 6 times per second for 1/6 of whatever your scorch/sec is (100/s by default) and that damage is multiplied by all global damage buffs

[sand crow]

Huh! Thanks!

That makes sense

[mystic mango]

Freezer burn does the same thing but I'm pretty sure also can't crit

but it multiplies the scorch before applying global damage buffs

[sand crow]

I think you might be able to crit with freezer burn? I swear I remember getting a freezer burn crit when I was doing a total eclipse godsent run

[mystic mango]

If I'm correct. It could be additive

[mystic mango]

uhhh I'm pretty sure it can't

[sand crow]

busted if true holy

[mystic mango]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1233146305308528650/1488672322574352457/1483D21.MP4?ex=69cf9be3&is=69ce4a63&hm=74e3294c325783fc74389b7a6cf1f0536ed0efe611bd2fb428d47b78910624fc&

Yeah so the very first freezer burn does 4296 damage which seems like more than you'd get from origination and furies

[sand crow]

wait

how did you get scorch to apply to every enemy in the room LOL

[mystic mango]

999 x ( 1.3 + 1.5 ) = about 1800 so makes sense that it would be multiplied scorch

[mystic mango]

Hestia godsent, figure that's obvious from the gigantic hestia popping up on screen

[sand crow]

Yeah, I thought that only applied to everything in the radius... Unless the radius is just big enough to do that when upgraded and I didn't know LOL

[mystic mango]

Applies 999 scorch instantly to every enemy in the room and continues to apply more until it lands

It's unlimited range for the scorch

[turbid karma]

that was almost scary to watch, holy crap

[mystic mango]

That's why it's so damn strong for room clear

[sand crow]

what

[mystic mango]

Yeah it's EVERY enemy

[turbid karma]

"the attacking foes" isn't just whose-ever ranged shots were destroyed?

[sand crow]

I feel mandela effected lowkey, I thought it was just enemies in the radius, this is insane

Total eclipse is easily my favorite godsent though, holy

[mystic mango]

What

[sand crow]

With freezer burn, if an enemy is already frozen when scorch is applied it just removes whatever scorch was applied

[mystic mango]

godsent not legendary

[sand crow]

this doesn't apply for the legendary

[mystic mango]

I'm not talking about Fire Away

This is the hestia godsent on Total Eclipse

[turbid karma]

Oh I'm sorry, I misread!

[turbid karma]

terribly sorry, here I read "legendary"! oops

[mystic mango]

All good, seems a lot of people really don't get how hestia's godsent works or even know it exists to begin with

It's in my top 3 godsents for the few times I use hexes

[sand crow]

I thought that I knew hestia godsent pretty well, I don't know how I missed that it just hits all enemies

[mystic mango]

It's absurd for room clear especially on hordes 3 when you get those massive rooms in tartarus or olympus that often have enemies standing off in a corner

[sand crow]

wait hear me out:
rousing reception light smite hestia godsent: the not very holy trinity of boons that hit enemies everywhere

who invited rousing reception to the party lol

throwback to when engagement ring was the most broken boon in the game for a week

[mystic mango]

Rousing reception has great use in speedrunning

Instantly kills oceanus fish, hecate witches, thessaly skulls,

[sand crow]

Wait really I thought it was generally regarded as a nothing-burger boon

[mystic mango]

It is once wards are involved

[sand crow]

though tbf I guess I was mostly hanging around high-fear circles not as much speedrunning

[mystic mango]

But when you're playing without wards the ability to just instantly kill enemies as they spawn is really strong

[sand crow]

That tracks

[mystic mango]

getting rousing reception in region 1 is really strong on both surface and UW

Cuts a ton of time down

[sand crow]

That makes a lot of sense, huh thanks

[mystic mango]

It falls off later on but who cares when you just saved 30+ seconds from instakilling stuff

Flash fry is a solid second place for really fast early room clear

[sand crow]

I love flash fry lol

[mystic mango]

Rousing is basically just flash fry but it can only hit everybody once

Just gotta member to always use it

That’s the one draw back is that you have to consciously do it so just adds an extra thing to manage

[bright gull]

Does Winner Circle reduce DoT casts dps?

[alpine raft]

reduces uptime so yes

[tough torrent]

it also makes super nova half as effective

[gritty widget]

you must be using normal special to proc the blasts
special cant be sustained for the whole time on 150 magick

[mystic mango]

I mean you're only using ospec like 3 times max per encounter

Since really for most encounters its faster to just oattack -> normal spec

[narrow acorn]

I always forget what damage boosters apply to scorch. Is scorch affected by global damage increases like Origination?

[wild drift]

Yes but it cannot crit

[icy crypt]

how much nightmare do i need to max out a hidden aspect

[wild drift]

I think it was 9 but I can't remember

[lapis acorn]

2 per level and 3 for the final

[surreal hazel]

Global and olympian damage bonuses all apply

[wild drift]

Just imagined getting Glamour Gain + Broken Resolve + Island Getaway + Water Fitness + Frosty Veneer on Strength Nergal and that makes me want to play Nergal but then I remembered I have to reset for Psychic Whirlwind or I can't do anything

[cursive kindle]

So uh what is a good strength build

[wild drift]

This lol Nergal nuts

[mystic mango]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck

This is basically just "The build" like if you have jpom you have very little reason to not run this, including swapping strength for death if you're playing high fear

[cursive kindle]

Thank you!!

[mystic mango]

Eternity, unseen, and night are useless on the large majority of weapons

Excellence isn't worth taking over boatman

And so that's it

That's the only arcana setup really worth a damn on 80% of the aspects in the game

[cursive kindle]

I dont know if its an issue on my side but the link you gave me does not show any active arcana cards for me

[mystic mango]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMSIsImMyIiwiYzMiLCJjNiIsImM3IiwiYzgiLCJjMTEiLCJjMTMiLCJjMTQiLCJjMTUiLCJjMTciLCJjMTgiLCJjMjMiLCJjMjQiXQ==

[cursive kindle]

Yep, fixed! Thank you very much!

[mystic mango]

My b forgot you need to generate the URL and doesn't do it automatically

[cursive kindle]

No worries!

[flint widget]

nergal with psychic (and iron core but thats optional) and stack the f out of hp and boons that give u hp

[cursive kindle]

Oh uh i ment in terms of arcana but thanks!!

[flint widget]

should've just said arcana then

[golden relic]

For void 2 (12 grasp) what should I be running for Mel staff? Was thinking strength-orig-artificer maybe?

[vernal quiver]

Why void2? Normally void isnt even touched touched until 65f and that's void3

But yeah strength orig artificer sounds fine, id argue dropping artificer for persistence if you need the health but all comfort based

[mystic mango]

Void 2 is pointless cause you might as well go void 3 for judgement if you're even gonna bother

But I guess you can pick some nicer stuff on void 2

[vernal quiver]

Yeah just doing 2 is a waste and theres a reason no one touches it until 65f

[mystic mango]

But still not worth in imho with how rough early game can be at high fear

[vernal quiver]

Losing arcana is the most difficult modifier in the game

[mystic mango]

High fear erebus and oceanus is a serious skill check without arcana

[vernal quiver]

And if we talk 67 the entire game is really rough

A good build wont carry without orig, gotta be kinda cracked to make it work

[golden relic]

I haven't learned r4 chronos yet so I'm seeing what void 2 for 60 is like

Its... rough lol

[vernal quiver]

Don't touch void until you get past 62 and im not joking

[golden relic]

I know exactly why

[vernal quiver]

60 should be everything minus scars3 and void

[golden relic]

It's horrible

[vernal quiver]

Yeah lmao theres a reason runners dont touch it until 65/67

[golden relic]

More than 1 reason but yeah it gimps you so hard

[wild drift]

Nergal + fish rooms so funny lol

Got Demeter + Aphro + Hera in Erebus and went 0/3 on Arctic Ring, Glamour Gain, Sworn Strike 🤪

[icy crypt]

am i the only one who keeps trying to pick up zag's casts?

[vernal quiver]

I tried a couple times on instinct when I fought him the first time lol

Kinda wish you could since they drop and everything

[icy crypt]

beowulf main reflexes be kicking in

[flint widget]

thank god i didn't play h1 that much

rolled credits then dipped

[austere trail]

I do the same lmao

[icy crypt]

i just wanna be able to pick his stones up and shoot a meme beam at him

[cursive kindle]

Yea i thought the "strength" made it clear but i can see now that its my bad. Sorry! Thanks for the help you gave, i might use it!

[lyric summit]

Muscle memory kicking in 😭

Though the first time I saw them I thought they would damage me when trying to pick them up lol

[cursive kindle]

Im gonna try to beat 16 fear (my highest is 12 sadly)

[lyric summit]

Good luck!

[cursive kindle]

Thanks!

[lyric summit]

Circe?

[cursive kindle]

Didnt plan on it but sure ill try!

[lyric summit]

Imo probably the easiest and safest wep to get the W

[cursive kindle]

Got ideas on which stuff i should mark to get to 16 fear?

Like, which are the easiest

[lyric summit]

Are you comfortable with Timer?

[cursive kindle]

Yea!

[lyric summit]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzAsMCwwLDYsMCwwLDAsMCwwLDAsMCwwLDYsMCwyLDIsMF0=

This shouldn’t be too bad since it’ll get you used to Frenzy for future higher fear runs
Though it could be worth swapping out frenzy for Shadow/Menace/Scars1 if the speed increase is a bit much

[cursive kindle]

This seems good! Thank you so much!

[viral yew]

I can second this fear setup, very good for learning and easy fast clears

[cursive kindle]

Turns out i last left the game at a 16f run i was doing badly at. I guess ill try to finish it lol

[viral yew]

What arcana are you using?

[cursive kindle]

At this current run? Uh i rather not check because i have time on but i believe i am using a good arcana build someone here gave me a while ago

[viral yew]

Yeah ok

You can always check in a shop or timer pause area

[cursive kindle]

Dang i died

[cursive kindle]

Oh i didnt think about that. Sorry

I can tell you now anyway, though

It was a death defiance build

[viral yew]

You can just use crossroads

[cursive kindle]

Not sure what you mean by that

I am at the crossroads

[viral yew]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck

We use this for leaderboards, stats, and sharing arcana/vows

[cursive kindle]

Oh yea i know that site. Its very helpful! Ill show you my build, one sec

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMSIsImMyIiwiYzMiLCJjNiIsImM3IiwiYzgiLCJjMTEiLCJjMTIiLCJjMTMiLCJjMTQiLCJjMTUiLCJjMTgiLCJjMTkiLCJjMjQiXQ==

[viral yew]

Yeah ok that's the normal arcana setup

[cursive kindle]

@lyric summit i dont have enough nightmare to fully upgrade aspect of circe. I assume i shouldnt use it, then?