h2-builds-and-combat

[silver flax]

Me when my dumbass grabs the free Arcana boon from Circe and it gives me Death (am using Strength) 💀

Sidenote, qq. Does Reaper Frame affect Dash-Attacks at all?

[median anvil]

i don't think so

[alpine raft]

size does not increase but power applies

[tough torrent]

can you timepiece a gold coin reward

[surreal hazel]

Gold? Gold!

[tough torrent]

grandpa out here having a sale on money

wait a second. how does the hephestus blast cooldown work exactly.
I just threw out a Morrigan special and it caused a blast as expected... but as it was traveling back to me, it happened to hit another enemy and also did a blast?

so is it just like... when the cooldown is ready, any damage that special deals causes a blast or what?

[scarlet ferry]

I just roll my thumb over the attack and special buttons in that order

[surreal hazel]

If the special hits anything. Check if cooldown, if off cooldown, explode and start cooldown

It does not care if that special projectile has already done a blast, only the cooldown matters

[tough torrent]

huh. not sure what happened then... I can't imagine it was in the air for 6 seconds

[surreal hazel]

Wasn't just chain reaction no?

[tough torrent]

it felt like a long delay for a chain reaction but i guess it must have been

[surreal hazel]

A second can feel like a long time

Chain reaction also blasts the same location so ???

[tough torrent]

shout out to getting archaic seal and my only other option is ferry voucher 💀

its better than nothing at least

wait you keep your time piece purges when you swap it out??? bruh

i beat super grandpaaaaa

Morrigan + Weedkiller + Fine Line + Sweeping Ambush

purple Lucid Gain too... but that was Blue demeter gain for like half the run which was oof

[vital robin]

hey guys! can u recommend best boons to sustain my mana during runs?

[tough torrent]

Cardio, Lucid or Born Gains in no particular order

[median anvil]

which aspect in particular

[tough torrent]

Born requires a decent amount of max mana, cardio is better on fast weapons and worse on slow ones

[vital robin]

moros torches

[tough torrent]

Lucid just wants you to remember to cast, but can sometimes be too little to keep up with some builds

[median anvil]

lucid gain, born gain, tranquil gain

life affirmation from aphro helps

[vital robin]

i see,thanks a lot guys

appreciate

[alpine raft]

spiritual affirmation

[median anvil]

yeah

h1 brain kicked in a little

[leaden heron]

I am getting rocked with Promecles on 50+ Fear for Nergal. Any ideas on what hammers work well or how to use its moves effectively?

I clear it every time but die on Summit.

[opal pecan]

I'm assuming you already know about Psychic Whirlwind and Iron Core

[leaden heron]

Yes but I never see them

[rare grove]

Ares plasma is actually useful on nergal turns out

[fast prawn]

do i try for a run with mel torches + fine line + that one poseidon boon that adds a wave to omegas

[opal pecan]

Ocean Swell

[fast prawn]

born gain will be pretty much 100% needed but it could be funny

[fast prawn]

yes thank u

[fast prawn]

do i take collosus slash or seething marauder? i currently have psychic whirlwind and melting shredder and im using aspect of nergal

got another free hammer from reward reward reward

[tough torrent]

RIVALS TYPHON IS NOT OKAY WTF
i killed the boss and then ||i got turned in to a baby|| what the hell 😭

[opal pecan]

Seething is pseudo-range, if you're not having trouble surviving I'd take it

[tough torrent]

is Blitz better for slower or faster attacks? I kind of have trouble evaluating which honestly

[opal pecan]

Blitz doesn't care

[tough torrent]

hmm

im on supay deciding between zeus attack and rush

[opal pecan]

Well, I suppose technically faster is better if you are able to proc it fast

Zeus rush doesn't apply Blitz in the first place, it's just damage

[tough torrent]

very unsure

i know?

are you saying attack is better cause its a curse?

sorry just not sure what you mean

[opal pecan]

No, I just thought you meant you were trying to compare between Zeus attack and rush

At any rate, the question to ask with Blitz is more, "what do I plan to proc the Blitz with?"

[tough torrent]

I guess the question is would i want blitz on attack or special for this

cause i can take attack now or take the rush and wait for blitz special

and my feel is itd be better on spec for torches?

[opal pecan]

Zeus rush is pretty dece on Supay tbf

It's definitely better on special for most torches, I'm less sure about Supay just because Supay is a weirdo

[tough torrent]

i feel like i probably should have just rolled for zeus spec

but i managed to win either way

[turbid kiln]

For the combined might (Duo Boons), I'm looking at the wiki, what does it mean by the gods? Like only by interacting with that god's boon will the duo appear?

[viral yew]

Yes

[rare grove]

Yeah I’d start special out of attack special and dash almost every time, even on Supay for Zeus but hey, you won

[turbid kiln]

Thanks.

[grim current]

At least Typhon's final phase is a victory round...

[grim current]

Being one of the best Curses in the game, most would argue anything, but it helps if a weapon/aspects attack/special has very few use cases, namely Morrigan's Special.

[tough torrent]

i guess it depends most on how often you pop the blitz?

[grim current]

Up to a point. Once Blitz's conditions are met to deal DMG, there's startup lag before dealing DMG and a delay before being able to apply Blitz again.

[tough torrent]

yeah someone said the animation of blitz needs to finish before you can apply it again or something

[odd bolt]

It's fast and probably a good thing, blitz is still probably the best curse even with that delay imagine if it didn't have it

[grim current]

At least it's fast enough for Moonstone Axe's Attack to apply it multiple times over its duration.

[grim current]

Well, I would hesitate to say it's the best Curse when Hitch & Blitz both battle for supremacy despite their niches.

[odd bolt]

Not a huge fan of Zeus if I'm doing oattack, but it can work well specially if you get arc flash

[opal pecan]

I think if I'm theorycrafting my ideal build, it's Hestia attack (with PT obv), Zeus special, Hera rush. This way we get both of the royal curses 👑

[grim current]

It was with Charon I equipped Zeus' Strike.

[opal pecan]

On the one hand, that kinda makes sense, and on the other hand, now you have to actually use your attack on Charon? :P

[grim current]

I didn't. I equipped Cloud Bangle for Lightning Lance.

It was a "might as well" kinda thing.

[wild drift]

Lance enjoyers rise up

[grim current]

Well, it barely matters which ranged Cast boon I get, although I do appreciate their differences: Lightning Lance, Howling Soul, Glowing Coal, &... alcohol mortar.

[tough torrent]

Took Dio cast for prophecy once and never again. It made my cast a lot harder to make good use off and nearly killed my run lol

[grim current]

That one's my favorite.

I kinda wish Frond Leaf could summon him at the cost of 2 Nectar or whatever.

But I also known it's and important keepsake for high fear runs.

[tough torrent]

Dad cast is cool but you dont get it often.
I find myself with fireball cast 9/10 times i end up wanting a ranged cast

[grim current]

Fireball!

[tough torrent]

It changes the behavior of the cast the least which is valuable on a meta level i think. You can just pointblank cast it and its like a normal cast but with 100 damage upfront or so

[viral yew]

I can speak for the metagamers and say we don't really like ranged casts

Especially howling soul

[grim current]

If nothing else, alcohol mortar at least guarantees specific Ring boons are optionally performed with Circe. Poseidon's Ring deals splash, so Circe's cast overlaps the 0.15s cooldown.

[odd bolt]

I like howling soul

[tough torrent]

Howling is neat on bosses and kind of awful otherwise

Boss never being able to leave your cast is cool

[odd bolt]

200 base power button

[tough torrent]

Random fish taking your cast to Narnia is less cool

[odd bolt]

Just needs an adaptation

[tough torrent]

I dont play to adapt. I play to force meme builds.

[odd bolt]

same

I'm out of meme builds to make, need to think of something

[grim current]

Don't perform Hel's regular special. Play a build which you are forced to perform special.

-# And attacks & cast.

[tough torrent]

Once I get all the statues I think im gonna chill at 32 and just actually learn fights more than the surface level understanding needed to face tank through them

[tough torrent]

Me when I just try to force a winner circle build when im on an aspect I dont like

[odd bolt]

I did something like this already

[odd bolt]

32 all aspects is really cool

[tough torrent]

But then I have to play all the knives that aren't morrigan

And that sounds stinky

[odd bolt]

don't worry the real issue is selene coat the rest is fine

You can do funny stuff with blades, mel blades are cool in general and for Artemis you can do oattack build

[tough torrent]

Coat of 'you can't get twilight curse'

[odd bolt]

For pan you pray for trick knives... if you don't get it it's bad but still better than selene coat

[tough torrent]

I wish there was some way to extend cast duration if only for Pan

[odd bolt]

Coat of "I'm playing lvl1 Mel aspect and completely ignoring the thing that makes the aspect unique because it's so ass it's not worth it"

[tough torrent]

You can't hardly even cast and then fully charge your spec in time

Chiron was my favorite aspect in the first game... so it feels rough to go from that to... whatever Pan is

[odd bolt]

EA pan...

Hook knives...

[tough torrent]

[tough torrent]

Howling Soul + Pan
Seems funny idk. The knives following the fish that stole your cast ||and despawning before reaching it||

[odd bolt]

Pan on early access was insanely good.

[tough torrent]

I thought about playing in EA but I didnt wanna burn out before the game was even completed

[naive grove]

Do you guys loads all skulls while using medea

Or just 1 skul and hit

[tough torrent]

Maybe for a boss, but for mobs you usually just need one

[naive grove]

Oh I'm really struggling at surface I'm super confused

How to get successful run

[tough torrent]

Maybe 2 skulls if you haven't upgraded it a lot

[naive grove]

I beaten chronos 5 times

But in surface I'm barely reaching

Summit

At summit I will get cooked by mini boss or just died at pomotheus

[tough torrent]

Thessaly is just really rough. And having a bad Thessaly sets you up to fail on Olympus

[naive grove]

Thessaly?

[tough torrent]

Rift of Thessaly

Surface region 2

[odd bolt]

Always just 1

[tough torrent]

Eris was the hardest boss for me to learn by a lot

[naive grove]

It was pretty easy for me but I'm dying at olympus or summit mostly

[odd bolt]

Surface is harder but you get more boons, as long as your build makes sense you should not have a problem

[naive grove]

But 1 skull damage is very less at bosses

[odd bolt]

DPS is still better

1 attack > special > repeat

[naive grove]

Kind of risky using medea ngl

What would be safest build and weapon i should use

[odd bolt]

Yeah it can be a risky aspect

[naive grove]

To get successful run

On surface

[odd bolt]

Mel staff maybe

[naive grove]

I love thanatos axe tho but still same problem

[grim current]

I dislike Pan's description. You mean to tell me those horns, which only have 1 point on the dagger, & a single sharp edge on the sickle, are just as sharp as the other aspects!?

[odd bolt]

Or eos torches

[naive grove]

Summit omg seriously super annoying

[naive grove]

How do I maximize special damage

[odd bolt]

Than axe is super good as well

[naive grove]

Yeah but single hit mortality buff will be lost

[odd bolt]

Get a good % on your special like Apollo or Hera, for hammers look for dual moonshot or shimmering moonshot

[tough torrent]

I mean thats what I'm saying. Your run is ending in Olympus, but Thessaly is probably sending you limping up the mountain. Or at least it was that way for me for a while.

Id barely beat Eris, getting out with 1 dd and half hp... and then by time I reach Prometheus I would have lost that dd and be at half hp again

[odd bolt]

Mortality is just an extra

Best thing about than axe is the increased attack speed

You can completely ignore omegas if you want to and still do good

[naive grove]

I heard there is posedion build which is super impactful but I don't know exact boons for that to get maximum output

[tough torrent]

Than axe goated you can just prime all you mana with fancy boons and not care

[odd bolt]

For mel staff? No you want a %dmg on special

[naive grove]

Nah bro you will laugh if I say this..I'm loosing all my dd at olympus or pormothes..olympus robots are super annoying to dodge

[naive grove]

I saw yt video where he was spamming special like bullets and he have posedion special

[viral yew]

Have you made it to final surface boss yet?

[tough torrent]

Olympus bots when you have no cover are messed up

[viral yew]

I'd argue circe is safer, plus doesn't need to be levelled

[odd bolt]

I can't see this being good

[naive grove]

No summit mini boss is farthest i reached

[odd bolt]

Unless you get like mirrored thrasher Poseidon attack cardio gain

[viral yew]

Might have been some haelian meme build

[naive grove]

Yeh somehow managing with demeter cast

[odd bolt]

What's your arcana?

[naive grove]

https://youtu.be/SzP7_vc3s5s?si=xtBX8YUtZsF-Th6J

This one

[odd bolt]

A year ago

[viral yew]

That is no longer possible in game

[naive grove]

😭lol didn't say that

[odd bolt]

Crashing wave doesn't even exist anymore

[naive grove]

I see

[viral yew]

Yeah before the keepsakes even had art

[naive grove]

So what should I use for mel staff

[odd bolt]

☝️

Just get a good % on special and 2 curses you can't go wrong

[naive grove]

Cast?

[viral yew]

Yur

[odd bolt]

Dash attack > special > repeat

[viral yew]

Any is fine

[odd bolt]

Anything that applies a curse

[naive grove]

Do I need to look for any duo or additional boons which will increase my damage

So I'm thinking
Appolo special
Demeter cast

[odd bolt]

Get Apollo special Apollo dash Demeter cast ggs can't go wrong

[viral yew]

Mel staff doesn't really need duos

[odd bolt]

Assuming you're running origination which I really hope you are

[naive grove]

Ok one last try i been losing 10 times in a row today lmao😭..I hope I will defeat tail of the typhoon this time

[naive grove]

Yeah I have it

[viral yew]

Almost every time someone struggles and we see the arcana and it's unseen and excellence

[viral yew]

Or the eye

[naive grove]

What ? Another mini boss?

I only face a big giant and tail till now

[odd bolt]

There's 2 possible mini bosses

[naive grove]

💀

[odd bolt]

Spawn or twins for the first
Tail or eye for the second

[viral yew]

Technically 4, 2 possible for each miniboss

[opal pecan]

Two possible minibosses for each miniboss "checkpoint", let's say

[naive grove]

4 ? 😭🙏

[opal pecan]

So in each run you will only ever fight two minibosses, one at each checkpoint

[naive grove]

Btw does typhoon also have 2 phases?

[odd bolt]

No

Not in the same way as Chronos at least

[naive grove]

Ok im breathing now

[viral yew]

The fight works very different to the chronos one

[odd bolt]

he has technically like 5 or 6 phases but don't worry 🙂

[naive grove]

I'm easily able to defeat chronos with thanatos axe..let me see how this goes with staff

[naive grove]

5 or 6? Bro 5 full hp bars?

[viral yew]

No

[naive grove]

😭🙏

[odd bolt]

It's different

[viral yew]

A phase as in you do damage and then he goes invincible

[odd bolt]

You will see

[viral yew]

This should be fun

[wild drift]

He has almost twice the total HP of Chronos I think

[naive grove]

Can I attack if

We go invincible or he more like hades 1

[wild drift]

1.8×

[naive grove]

Where hades perform sneak attack by going invisible

[naive grove]

2x of chronos?

[odd bolt]

You'll understand when you get to him

[wild drift]

In H1 after you do 1/3 damage Hades goes impervious for a few seconds and summons armored enemies, it's kinda like that but longer

[viral yew]

No

[odd bolt]

Don't worry if you can't beat him first time, he takes a while to get used to

After that he becomes easier than Chronos imo

[naive grove]

May moonlight guide me 😭🙏

[viral yew]

I still think base chronos is easier cause you can take antler and survive a hit or two

[odd bolt]

Yeah probably

But Typhon attacks are more telegraphed I think

[viral yew]

Defo

[grim current]

Typhon has a singular 60k HP bar.

He's severely wounded by Knuckle Bones.

Well, more than Chronos, at any rate.

[viral yew]

65k

[surreal hazel]

65k

+10k on ur

[winged acorn]

Best aspect of hel build? also what arcanas?

[spark crown]

How's everyone's runs going

[spark crown]

90% sure this is close to recommended arcana https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMiIsImMzIiwiYzYiLCJjNyIsImM4IiwiYzExIiwiYzEyIiwiYzEzIiwiYzE0IiwiYzE1IiwiYzE3IiwiYzE4IiwiYzI0Il0=

[viral yew]

For non ospecial hel yeah

[hoary dirge]

Which main blessing do yall mostly use for morrigan?

[spark crown]

Apollo strike

[fast prawn]

i ended up taking seething yeah

[grim current]

Zeus/Hephaestus' Flourish.

[tough torrent]

I like Sworn Strike or Scorch Strike mainly

with some sort of anything curse on the special

Zeus is a good one cause you're throwing morrigan special a lot, but not too much

most of Morrigans Attacks hit 3 times fwiw

[grim current]

What's Sworn Strike again? Hera's?

[opal pecan]

Yep

[tough torrent]

% isnt great for morrigan at base but the O Attack spreads hitch really well

So it makes up for it

It's like what 11x3 base for a regular attack or something

Wiki doesnt have the stats for hidden aspects as far as I could tell

[flint widget]

eh wiki is unreliable anyway

dont trust the wiki

[tough torrent]

man i sure love when popular games for some reason have terrible wikis

its mainly just the weapon stats that I look up though... cause its not in game for some reason.

after how annoying that was in h1 i'm surprised they didnt add that sort of thing to the codex in this game

[opal pecan]

For base damage you can at least test on Skelly (making sure to turn off all your arcana and checking your keepsakes/familiar)

The real annoyance is trying to test out anything that involves boons or hammers

[flint widget]

theres a mod just for that, problem is its a mod

[tough torrent]

yeah. Not being able to pick out boons and hammers to use it on Skele is the second biggest missing feture

maybe in hades 3

[grim current]

It's not even like Supergiant can't add a lore reason for adding boons & such to the training grounds when Chaos (or at least their communication apparatus-thing) is literally right there.

[tough torrent]

realism moment frfrfr

Its just kind of weird when the rest of the game seems so polished and pretty well thought out

but then stuff like that is just absent

[opal pecan]

Also the occasional funkiness with descriptions/keywords

SGG if u hire me and give me health insurance I will errrrr go over all the in-game text stuff and make sure it's clear and consistent and stuff I am soooo nitpicky

[flint widget]

nah

hire me

ill make the in game wording worse for free

[odd bolt]

hire me i'll remove charybdis

[flint widget]

don't forget to remove thessaly

[spiral wadi]

me when i get a specific set of rooms that causes me to get circe midshop scammed on thessaly

[digital juniper]

i think we should remove the surface as a whole

[flint widget]

nah surface is fire

just remove thessaly and make olympus less ass

then all good

[tough torrent]

just makes all per location triggers instead go off per encounter in thessaly

ezpz

[opal pecan]

Make Dio and midshop show up in Olympus more often 😩

[tough torrent]

make dio the midshop

[flint widget]

nah

[tough torrent]

only sells nectar, ambrosia and path of stars

[vernal quiver]

"Make him the most worthless free room in existence"

[tough torrent]

hey its a free room

[opal pecan]

If you could swap the locations of two free room NPCs in the game with each other, which would you swap and why

[tough torrent]

after playing some Whim runs.... I see its strength...
But honestly the biggest lesson i got from it is that i need to add Artificer to my other arcana decks lol

[opal pecan]

Artificer is pretty nice yeah

[spiral wadi]

throw ares into summit

[whole haven]

You know, Anubis is a strange weapon and probably not very good objectively, but it's really really funny to bring it to Erebus with Apollo attack because it's aoe is like 80% the size of some of those rooms

[opal pecan]

Ares isn't a free room NPC wdym

[spiral wadi]

aki would prefer it

[opal pecan]

It's considered pretty good!

[spiral wadi]

anyway idk about switching out any of the npcs tbh they feel appropriate

[tough torrent]

anubis seems pretty good, though it plays a bit weird.

[digital juniper]

thing is they’re all balanced to be as strong as they are relative to the region

[spiral wadi]

anubis is considered one of the stronger aspects, it's just funky to play lol

[tough torrent]

you basically dont have a dash attack is the main thing to get used to

[whole haven]

I'm surprised! It seemed powerful but slow to actually kill things whenever I messed with it and usually slow weapons aren't in the high tier for these kinds of things

[opal pecan]

Faster if you juice up your special

[odd bolt]

idk but I would love echo in the surface

[tough torrent]

your special is actually your normal attack, and your attack is like a second cast

[whole haven]

Anubis also has probably the worst first impression of any weapon in the entire game ngl

[tough torrent]

its nifty but weird

[whole haven]

Like half its mechanics just don't work on skelly and when you first unlock it you're obviously going to test it on Skelly

[spiral wadi]

the true worst first impression for me was warsong era torches

[whole haven]

That's the last weapon I've yet to unlock

[tough torrent]

the pull is the thing i always forget about

[spiral wadi]

but ye i wish anubis mechanics did work on skelly cuz it's kinda important to know it does things

[tough torrent]

"Ah why is this shrieker in my face now ahhhh"

[whole haven]

The pull is great until you take Anubis to Olympus and pull the spinny blade robot directly into you and take like 50 hits

[spiral wadi]

dw patch 2 we'll get an incantation where skelly has actual movesets

[tough torrent]

is there gonna be patch 2?

[spiral wadi]

good question

[flint widget]

i hope not

[odd bolt]

Probably not

[flint widget]

ion wanna grind sub 5 underworld again

[whole haven]

I like to put hestia cast on Anubis but admittedly half of that is that I just really like hestia cast

[opal pecan]

It's a good cast brent

[odd bolt]

Nevermind there will be a patch 2 and they will buff ares I believe

[spiral wadi]

trust

[whole haven]

Hestia feels like it does incredible damage but scorch's visual effects make me unsure if that's actually real or not

[opal pecan]

Do you know how scorch works

[whole haven]

The ancient Greeks would approve of ares being terrible in both games I think

[whole haven]

It... Does a bunch of burn damage probably over time? I think?

[odd bolt]

100 dmg per second

[whole haven]

Oh

[spiral wadi]

ye basically u hit enemy, it gains an amount of scorch, and it then consumes 100 scorch per second

so ur expected to apply more scorch than the consumption rate

[opal pecan]

1. When you hit something with scorch, it applies a certain # of scorch stacks
2. The scorch gets removed from the enemy at a rate of 100/s, dealing that damage
3. The damage dealt by removing scorch stacks can be buffed by global damage buffs

[odd bolt]

Can be increased by pyro technique

[spiral wadi]

pyro tech is also a true multiplier

[whole haven]

That's why that one boon that makes the scorch not go down feels so absurd

[keen bluff]

Wait if you have say 30% global dmg how does that work? Is each 1.3 or does it go to 130 a second

[opal pecan]

WDYM each

[spiral wadi]

100 scorch still consumed

[keen bluff]

Each tick

[spiral wadi]

it just converts to 130 dmg

[keen bluff]

Cause isnt it 1 every 0.01 seconds

[spiral wadi]

it's like uhh 6 ticks per second

[opal pecan]

No, it's not 1 every 0.01s, it's a different interval

[spiral wadi]

i wish it was 5 ticks/sec so it was an even 20 per tick

[opal pecan]

Yeah, idk why the fractions

[spiral wadi]

prob cuz it used to be 80/sec

wait

[opal pecan]

Six doesn't divide evenly into eighty either!

[spiral wadi]

that still doesn't work with 6 wtf

[opal pecan]

dfghfgjfdghj

[tough torrent]

does AQ apply to scorch

[opal pecan]

Nope

[spiral wadi]

not anymore

[tough torrent]

[whole haven]

I know when I was new I thought Demeter was busted but I think I was just bad and enjoyed the regular enemies mostly not moving

[tough torrent]

i mean i can understand why but

[opal pecan]

I mean she's good, just not busted

[whole haven]

She's definitely better than in Hades 1 lmao

[spiral wadi]

i mean air quality scorch was still a suboptimal scorch setup lmao

[opal pecan]

The thing that makes me 😔 is whycome Scorch isn't allowed to crit

[spiral wadi]

tru

[tough torrent]

i want demeter in like every single run basically cause she can add a curse to your cast that doesnt actually take up your cast slot

[digital juniper]

not with that mentality

[tough torrent]

so you can get another curse cast and have to curses on your cast

[whole haven]

I continue to love Artemis personality wise but hate her boons in both games

[tough torrent]

so everything in your cast instantly has origin

[opal pecan]

Please, expound upon your experiences dividing evenly into eighty

Since we have you :P

[keen bluff]

Gust is a curse?

[tough torrent]

Yep

[opal pecan]

Chill is a curse

[spiral wadi]

ye

auto seeker self-defense is also a curse that counts for orig because yes

[whole haven]

I think basically any effect a boon applies is a curse

[opal pecan]

Nope

[keen bluff]

What's that

[opal pecan]

Steam isn't a curse, for some reason

[whole haven]

What

[opal pecan]

And also, Origination only counts Olympian curses

[odd bolt]

Marked isn't a curse for origination purposes as well

[spiral wadi]

those laser shooting robots in olympus have a self-defense mechanism when they go red

for some reason that status counts for origination effect

[keen bluff]

Lmao

[opal pecan]

I guess Heph did create the bots

[tough torrent]

are you sure about that one? i thought it did

so like giga dash doesnt work?

[odd bolt]

Giga dash doesn't work for origination

It is a curse, but hades is not Olympian

[tough torrent]

rude

[odd bolt]

The Skyfall curse also doesn't count I'm pretty sure

[tough torrent]

Dad-scrimination frfrfr

[opal pecan]

Shine?

[spiral wadi]

skyfall when only one of my omega special rockets actually gets the bonus omega dmg

[odd bolt]

Yeah

[spiral wadi]

ye, selene isn't an olympian

[tough torrent]

kind of rude of them

[keen bluff]

Of who

[tough torrent]

zooz

i assume he gets to decide who gets to join the club, anyhow

[turbid karma]

is scorn not a curse?

[turbid karma]

damn how evil

[grim current]

For lv 1 & 2 Scars, is Strength preferred for getting more mileage out of healing to begin with? Or does the insurance of Death already too great?

[spiral wadi]

strength is very solid up to rank 3 scars where u should switch to dd

otherwise strength still makes healing effects more valuable so it's still good for 0/1/2 scars

[tough torrent]

if you're good enough to not need the safety of of DD, strength is probably better cause its also damage

[grim current]

I've not equipped Nergal without Strength.

[spiral wadi]

ye nergal is like the one single aspect where strength is better

[tough torrent]

y'all nergin'

[spiral wadi]

i love an inherent uncapped blood spree

[tough torrent]

if you take antler, your blood spree is always uncapped

[grim current]

All aspects & boons benefit from Strength, even if not as much as others. At worst, it may be redundant with Medea.

Oh yeah. Circe + Toula. That's the only aspect that actively benefits from Death versus Strength.

[tough torrent]

just die on floor 0 to get rid of Toula's DD

ez

[whole haven]

The devious stalwart stand:

[opal pecan]

Obviously the DD-focused boons hdfjhgh

[grim current]

Is that the one where Athena provides a regenerating Death Defiance for priming 150 Magick?

[opal pecan]

Yeah

[tough torrent]

dad can give a boon for +10% global per DD used that run

[keen bluff]

What gods for morrigan?

And what is the blood triad buffed by?

Only global or also the boon on the attack that triggered it?

[alpine raft]

nothing will increase triad damage

[tough torrent]

we talked about Morrigan a bit up here

[keen bluff]

Oh it's always 777?

Not even global buffs like origination?

[tough torrent]

or 999 with hammer

/heph duo

[odd bolt]

legendary*

[tough torrent]

right that

[odd bolt]

you can get both hammer and legendary to 1221 dmg

[keen bluff]

Weird

[tough torrent]

lol

[odd bolt]

i got it on a great chaos below of all things

[tough torrent]

the unique morrigan hammers are alright but really you want stuff to buff your o attack

[odd bolt]

#h2-victory-boasting message

[keen bluff]

Like the one that makes it take 30 mana

So basically you want Hera attack curse special born gain?

[alpine raft]

no probably not exceptional talent

[keen bluff]

Then which hammers?

[tough torrent]

Sweeping ambush mainly

I also like the 35% Attacks speed

[keen bluff]

Which is that (idk the names 😭 )

(sweeping ambush)

[tough torrent]

400% of attack damage and +20 mana cost

On O attacks

[keen bluff]

That's the one I was referencing here

[alpine raft]

final slice is good but its not very hammer dependent

[keen bluff]

What's exceptional talent

[alpine raft]

apollo legendary

[tough torrent]

Apollo lego

[alpine raft]

its +30 thats why i thought you meant that

[keen bluff]

Oh yeah idk when to take that

I've only got it on torch so far

So it was a big no

[tough torrent]

Any hammer that says O Attacks or Attacks (not Attack)

Is probably ok on morrigan

[keen bluff]

Is the normal attack not good

I guess damage is just too low

[tough torrent]

Its great

The O Attack is even better though

[keen bluff]

What about special

[tough torrent]

You throw it to proc triad and apply a curse

You basically never o spec on morrigan

[keen bluff]

K

[tough torrent]

I forget the name of the hammer, but there is one that makes your special take longer to return

That ine is actively bad for morrigan cause the special is already so slow

Brb

[keen bluff]

Okay

[grim current]

So yeah. For Morrigan, it's generally desired to equip Hestia/Hera's Strike (depending if you want to perform regular or attack more), & Zeus/Hephaestus' Flourish.

Splash has a 0.15s cooldown, so it doesn't work too well with Morrigan's attack.

[surreal hazel]

That's only true on projectiles

Other moves have specific timings and rules

[grim current]

:(

Complicated.

[surreal hazel]

Amubis lets you proc up to three splashes on each attack tick

[grim current]

I did notice non-Nergal's special would hit thrice, & Poseidon's Flourish would only be triggered twice.

[surreal hazel]

Yeah that's a bad one

[grim current]

I noticed the same with Morrigan's attack.

[surreal hazel]

And yet, exhaust riser on the coat will splash 6 times

[alpine raft]

axe special splashes once, each morrigan attack is twice

[tough torrent]

Even if you're only splashing twice per morrigan attack its probably still great

[alpine raft]

it's fine but other options are better

[tough torrent]

[alpine raft]

zeus or hera or apollo, even aphro

[grim current]

I wish Broken Resolve granted +0.6s Weak duration.

[broken spoke]

Why exactly 0.6s

[grim current]

Roughly +50% duration, at any rate. But on 2nd thought, only Aphrodite's Rush needs a greater Weak duration. Ring & Gain fare perfectly well with 1s, if a little constrained.

[opal pecan]

Would it be bad if her rush just (re)applied Weak the entire time instead of only during the damage bursts

[grim current]

Like Demeter's Rush?

[opal pecan]

Or Hera's, or Apollo's.... she's the odd one out, really

In terms of curse-applying rush boons

[grim current]

I do like its uniqueness. Its splash radius is just very small & Weak's duration is natively very short.

I do like its slightly erosteric mechanic means it can deal more DMG... even if the whole point of a Curse-applying Rush is... to apply the Curse in the first place.

[umbral horizon]

Anyone know how Aphro's legendary deal damage? Like Blitz, Scorch or Glow?

[opal pecan]

@umbral horizon

[stray knot]

So like...are we 100% sure scorch isn't broken? I feel like the boss DPS I see on scorch makes no sense compared to every other weapon boon. I'm on 55 fear mel wands and I feel like a white scorch attack is more DPS than a legendary blitz or splash.

[viral yew]

It's strong, but not as good as blitz or hitch

[stray knot]

I'm several hundred runs into this grind at this point and I feel like it does more than twice the damage at white as either of those do at heroic

[viral yew]

Over time? Sure, if you keep stacking it, but blitz has more dps at base, and hitch is better for room clear

[stray knot]

well, I shouldn't say hitch, I never take hitch attack on wands. I'm talking 1v1 boss dps

[broken spoke]

Scorch dmg is fixed no matter the rarity

100 dps at base, which is very high

[viral yew]

Blitz is still better for bossing

[stray knot]

I should do some kind of test, I'm so sure that it isn't

what is purple blitz proc, 220?

[broken spoke]

Blitz scale with a lot of thing

[stray knot]

oh, like hera boon damage buffs?

[broken spoke]

Pom, double strike, suc rate for double strike, and other thing like arc flash

Scorch scale with pyro technique (and global dmg ofc), that is

[stray knot]

i wish there was a training dummy mode where you could test some of this stuff

do hera's boon buffs not affect scorch?

[broken spoke]

Blitz also can crit

[opal pecan]

The only thing that rarity increases for scorch is stacks applied, and if you're applying scorch fast enough with something like coat for example, being common rarity vs epic rarity doesn't matter

[broken spoke]

Olympian dmg does boost scorch

[stray knot]

on paper it does look like blitz should be close

but on 55 fear, my easy benchmark is how fast polyphemos phase 1 goes

and I can't shake the feeling that scorch is doing way more than 100dps on top of base weapon hit. Almost makes me feel like it's applying it's flat damage on the hit as well. It just feels so drastically faster than blitz attack.

[broken spoke]

100 dps is base

[opal pecan]

I mean, if you have literally any global damage buffs it's gonna be more than 100dps

[broken spoke]

Still boosted by other dmg %

[stray knot]

I know, I'm just comparing it to blitz anecdotally though

[broken spoke]

Like origination fury strength already 100% boost

[stray knot]

so generally looking at two curses being up and probably no other damage buffs by polyphemus

[broken spoke]

If you just compared base blitz vs base scorch scorch gonna win

[opal pecan]

IDK, maybe I'm just too coatbrained, but I have never considered Blitz to be in direct competition with Scorch, just a complement to Scorch

Like, different niches

[broken spoke]

But like I said before there is more thing to scale blitz with

[stray knot]

I'm all in on wands, so I can't speak to the coat mechanics at all 🙁

is that just because scorch gets exempted from some random stuff?

[opal pecan]

Scorch can't crit/minicrit or AQ

[stray knot]

AQ?

[opal pecan]

Air Quality

[stray knot]

ah

[opal pecan]

I get not letting it be boosted by AQ (or, I think, Reckless?), because that's a lotta guaranteed ticks

[stray knot]

AQ doesn't really affect any attack boons except a weak splash, right?

[opal pecan]

But IDK why it isn't allowed to crit

[stray knot]

i think i remember reading that they just did it as a nerf because it was an easy way to get scorch damage under control

[opal pecan]

Great auntie..... 2powerful5SGG

[umbral horizon]

But I still dont understand how and when "inflict weak" apply. Weak duration last 1 second, so as I understand that every 1s it apply new status and 3 new random curses?

[broken spoke]

When the enemy don't have weak and you put weak on it

[umbral horizon]

So we must remove weak to reapply again?

[broken spoke]

Yes

[opal pecan]

I mean, it removes itself

[broken spoke]

Muh island gateway glamour gain

[umbral horizon]

So island getaway is bad, right? The weak curse never been removed

[opal pecan]

Vaguely recall someone experimenting and saying it refreshed on cooldown but I wouldn't trust me either

A vague recollection is not much to go on

[umbral horizon]

So let summon @surreal hazel to explain this

[surreal hazel]

It just bad

Sometimes really bad

As in, inflicts weakness on a spawning enemy before it's vulnerable to other curses levels of bad

Sometimes

It's weird

[opal pecan]

Whaaaaaaaa

[alpine raft]

only sometimes?

[surreal hazel]

The real irony is that you need most of the nervous wreck prereqs to get glamour island going

Glamour gain isn't a prereq for island getaway, sadly

[digital juniper]

glamour island is great. glamour island nervous wreck is booty

[tough torrent]

I usually just grab up secondary boons for aphro, like the 20% hp/mp

The attack base damage can be based sometimes

But I only seen to get it offered when im on, like, nergal or some crap

[plain tiger]

oh I can't post images

well this is awkward but I'll ask regardless

joined because I did a 32 fear run and I managed to get Rapid Hack, Seething Marauder, and Psychic Whirlwind (I got Reward Reward Reward) on Nergal

now I'll check later in the in-game archive but the wiki tells me that not only did I accidentally set off a bug with Rapid Hack and Seething Marauder, apparently Psychic Whirlwind and Rapid Hack also just can't co-exist

(also the wiki calls it Rapid Slash but I'll just assume that's the same thing)

soooo what's that about

[median anvil]

the wiki is outdated by possibly more than a year

happens often with early access games

[plain tiger]

ah alr

[median anvil]

there is no bug with rapid and seething, also psychic and rapid have no issue with each other

[plain tiger]

thanks

[shrewd nest]

Can you be offered things like Heavenly Splendour from Narssius again after completing the storyline or is it the one and only time?

[median anvil]

they are permanently added to the reward pool

[surreal hazel]

you love to see it on a Hera run

(stupid fact, the tetra-elemental items he gives can be sea-star'd)

[final sedge]

what makes Success Rate really pop off, or is Success Rate not that good of a boon?

[opal pecan]

Having boons that benefit from it

Highrolling rarity or using Calling Card or other methods to rarify it

[final sedge]

so at high rarity you think it makes some of those other buffs good?

[surreal hazel]

Ares loves it

But so does Posideon, and occasionally Zeus

heck even a few hammers benefit. And well, Crit builds

[silver flax]

Oh yeah something that confuses me about it, speaking of which. Does it increase the chance by however much % as an additive bonus or a multiplier?

[final sedge]

I guess I want specific boons where you can feel the difference. Like apollo's extra dose seems very low percentage, and success rate would not make it much better.

[surreal hazel]

it really does though

[surreal hazel]

Multiplier

[silver flax]

Noted

[final sedge]

I was told it's a percentage increase of the base percentage... so 10% chance times 50% more chance is 15% chance.

[surreal hazel]

after you get success rate, all percentages get updated appropriately

[silver flax]

Even if it's like a 5% increase, that's honestly still quite a chunk given it envelops other things like Ares's Plasma Gain, his own unique pseudo-crit, etcetera

It was pretty fun to have it when I had his Gain and the duo boon with Aphrodite for 5 morbillion Heartthrobs

[surreal hazel]

Ares has like. 5

[silver flax]

Oh also, question regarding Supay or ig advice for it... what's a good Arcana set-up for it, assuming no Void? I know Toula's good on it even if I've been preferring Strength

[surreal hazel]

You need a bit of a legup on the start, yeah

swift runner is a must, otherwise there isn't anything particularly necessary other than common sense with it

but really it's about your boon choices

supay is throwing all four buttons at your enemies at once, but the attack and special buttons have terrible base power

[silver flax]

Yeah that's been my vibe so far. Plan's to get a Hestia start so I can get her Infusion boon lol

[surreal hazel]

Bltiz, hitch and splash are also good

[silver flax]

ooooh yeah Zeus would be nice... his Rush boon with Double Strike could go hard

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMSIsImMyIiwiYzMiLCJjNiIsImM3IiwiYzExIiwiYzEyIiwiYzEzIiwiYzE0IiwiYzE2IiwiYzE3IiwiYzIxIiwiYzIyIiwiYzI0Il0=
How's this looking for it?

kinda wondering whether I need Sorceress tbh, the Imperv from Messenger would probably be good

[surreal hazel]

Sorceress is very good

[surreal hazel]

Bltiz my friend, blitz

Supay oSpecial is like a paintbrush of curses

[silver flax]

Oooooooh tru tru tru... could also get Poseidon in there for their Duo Boon

[tough torrent]

Oh is Ares what people mean when they say minicrit lol

[surreal hazel]

yes

Mutual Destruction and Grievous Blow

[silver flax]

ye those two boons, partially cuz Ares gives double damage and iirc crits are triple damage

[surreal hazel]

yes

(they multiply together if you roll both though, lol)

[silver flax]

Not a bad start, I think
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/734927533501579276/1470497635151642664/image.png?ex=698b8324&is=698a31a4&hm=7f129e1fd37bf8e5e95c938b848d1b169d5a56abaa31679fe4c0c9fd19e7ceef&

[opal pecan]

I almost never take Inverted -- how does it feel on Supay?

[silver flax]

Honestly, pretty good. It adds a lot by virtue that it effectively makes your attack an AoE rather than a direct shot

Plus it lets me double up on Scorch procs here which is mighty nice

[opal pecan]

Interesting! I didn't realize the projectiles would stick around for inversion even after they've hit something

[silver flax]

Well, now you know. It's a pseudo-double damage- oh damn and now I got the Hestia-Zeus duo boon

...it's that or the Hestia-Poseidon one. Dunno if Steam or more Scorch is better here LMAO

[opal pecan]

Do you have PT

[silver flax]

PT?

[opal pecan]

Pyro Technique

[silver flax]

Unfortunately, nope

[opal pecan]

Steam might be more value

Esp since I think it can be AQd?

[silver flax]

Yep yep, it's 20 every .2

Hello gorgeous????????https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/734927533501579276/1470499330073956443/image.png?ex=698b84b8&is=698a3338&hm=eae10b0eb2ca7cb081e332924981b8bdfec2b8d13f0dccd8e3edfa412757adce&

This run is bloody insane, what the hell

[tough torrent]

Isn't mutual destruction just the minus strike thingy?

[silver flax]

wdym by Minus Strike? Mutual Destruction is the one that gives you chance for the 2x dmg based on how low your HP is

[tough torrent]

Final fantasy ability

[silver flax]

Ah, makes sense. I know barely a crumb of whatever goes on in the FF franchise

AQ acquired, we ballin

[grim current]

I've been constantly equipping boons under the pretense I'll eventually equip Hera's Infusion, & it's been better for my boon builds. However, it always stings when I don't.

[silver flax]

dieded at Chronos 😔

[odd kite]

hello hello. Does anyone know the priority of the boons that grant you barriers and armour? Do enemy attacks deplete the barriers first or the armour?

[rare flax]

Can we discuss spoilers here?

[silver flax]

Barriers first. For spoilers, it's in the channel description (yes)

[rare flax]

Just beat the upper route for the first time. When does ares enter the mix?

[scarlet ferry]

He’s able to now. The only requirement is to get to the Typhon fight

[silver flax]

I think the very next run, yeah

[rare flax]

lol immediately popped

Thanks all

[grim current]

What do you think about his core boons?

His Gain is particularly weird.

[rare flax]

I don’t quite get wounds yet

But I got some duo that price “all damage effects” and it went nuts with daze

Which I also had boosted with dodged hits and heals

Plasma, I don’t see the point

[tough torrent]

i quite like Ares gain, in that you can improve by picking up other boons rather than just pomming the boon itself

its not as strong as other gains because it kind of needs that investment, but as an idea its neat

[thin gazelle]

Heinous affront is busted

[grim current]

Ares' Gain is basically an inconsistent version of Hestia's Gain. It has a secondary effect similar to Aphrodite & Hephastus' Gain.

[spark crown]

its so peak

[tough torrent]

building towards the Ares legend is a fun minigame whenever i have him in my pool

[rare flax]

Heinous affront with daze was wild visually

I beat typhoon my first time ever seeing him. Build was perfect

[surreal hazel]

You mean with light smite?

[rare flax]

On top of impervious hex

[surreal hazel]

Heinous smite is the most busted setup going

[grim current]

After you've properly acquainted yourself with Ares' Strike/Flourish, do @ me about it! I'll enjoy teaching you its details!

[rare flax]

It felt that way I lucked into it randomly

[surreal hazel]

plasma can go wild, especially on some weapons that respond well to +% function speed

[rare flax]

How so?

[tough torrent]

100% plasma is funny

[rare flax]

Plasma or wounds?

[grim current]

Wounds.

[surreal hazel]

+100% is double move, attack and special speed

[tough torrent]

its pretty hard to reach 100% plasma without the legendary though

[rare flax]

You can get it that high?

[surreal hazel]

double damage output in a way that multiplies with all other damage increases is nuts

[tough torrent]

100% is the cap i think?

[rare flax]

What’s a good weapon for that?

[surreal hazel]

Check his legendary

[surreal hazel]

black coat and torches respond nicely

[rare flax]

Torches is what I was using

[surreal hazel]

technically the skull does too, but you need a way to recover skulls quick

and this is where autofire comes in

since you kinda need that to mash fast enough

[spark crown]

skull = fetching + plasma

[tough torrent]

auto fire more like auto fun

[spark crown]

its peak Better with rank 2 fetching

[rare flax]

Auto fire is dae hammer?

[tough torrent]

options menu setting

[surreal hazel]

LT button on pad, you can set it to a hold button or a toggle

[tough torrent]

morrigan prints plasma pretty well, and likes it well enough

i find that Ares gain + chance for double plasma is usually enough sustain unless you're trying to spam out like

60-70 mana omegas

[surreal hazel]

With his legendary, mana costs quickly become irrelevant

and it's a positive feedback loop too, you get plasma, you attack faster, causing you to make plasma faster...

[rare flax]

Ok so I’m about to start a run what’s something that involves plasma you’d suggest going for?

[tough torrent]

i forget, does it make morrigan's throw come back faster too? I'm used to throwing at point blank so i don't remember lol

[surreal hazel]

function speeds don't affect projectile speed

[tough torrent]

good thing i threw at point blank anyhow

[surreal hazel]

Grisly gain, Then the gods that have blooddrop duos

that is, hera and aphrodite

[tough torrent]

what does the aphro one do again idr

[surreal hazel]

35% chance to get a hearthrob when collecting plasma

[tough torrent]

the hera one is cool but honestly if you have the ares legendary it doesn't really do much

[surreal hazel]

yeah, Hera's duos are generally a bit weak unless it's Sun Worshipper

[rare flax]

Which weapon?

[surreal hazel]

something rapid

not mel axe

[tough torrent]

o attack on axe probably does good plasma-ing tbh

[surreal hazel]

(which is very ironic considering the artwork they used for the Bloodsong update)

[tough torrent]

I think w/e weapon you want could do fine with plasma except maybe staff

you'd be relying on a damage cast to make plasma a lot

[surreal hazel]

er, what?

can't make plasma from non-weapon damage

[tough torrent]

o

you see i only read boons one time ever

and then assume i know what they do after that

[surreal hazel]

Also profuse bleeding is lying to you

[tough torrent]

zamn

[surreal hazel]

it is also just weapon strikes, rather than any damage

(it's also really bad)

[tough torrent]

idk if staff moveset really lends itself to making plasma that well then

[surreal hazel]

mirrored thrasher

[tough torrent]

and staff generally uses a lot of mana

[keen bluff]

so... just normal strike? not even omega or special? 😭

[tough torrent]

i mean you're not always gonna have a certain hammer

[surreal hazel]

those are also "strikes"

basically in game, the word "strikes" means damage inflicted by bonking them with your weapon in some way

[keen bluff]

oh okay

[surreal hazel]

even with projectiles

but other stuff, even things spawned off of your strikes like posideon waves, blitz etc... those are not strikes

[surreal hazel]

Rapid thrasher too

[keen bluff]

i thought strike was just attack and flourish was special? or is flourish just for the boon names

[tough torrent]

just names

[surreal hazel]

it's complicated

"strike" is added to all primary attack boon names

"Strikes" is a term used in descriptions to describe what something applies to

which is also, annoyingly, synonymous with "with your weapon"

(see Hearty Appetite)

[tough torrent]

owo

[opal pecan]

Now let me tell you about Arctic Gale, which produces Gusts, not to be confused with Gale, which produces blocks 😂

[surreal hazel]

slap

Gusts of course influct the status effect also called Gust

Rather than chill, like the first game

[opal pecan]

Not to be confused with CHill from-- heh

[surreal hazel]

It's called legacychill in the scripts

[opal pecan]

Oh right, and she also has a duo boon called Tropical Cyclone, which, quote, makes you "randomly fire gales"

You are NOT shooting weasels at your enemies

Just in case you were unclear on that

[surreal hazel]

Because SGG are a bunch of killjoys

[jovial river]

How’s the balancing in this game compared to the first one

[opal pecan]

Generally considered smoother and less swingy

[surreal hazel]

Mostly okay!

Also tier2 boons don't utterly suck

[keen bluff]

wha- tier 2 boons in h1 dont suck

mostly

[jovial river]

When I think of balancing problems in Hades 1, T2s are not what comes to mind lol

[surreal hazel]

They kinda do

[keen bluff]

off the top of my head

marked, jolted, razor shoals, rush delivery

[surreal hazel]

Yeah, but it really stood out to me going back to it for a few runs

[odd bolt]

It's really really good

[tough torrent]

flashbacks to trying to obtain cold fusion

[surreal hazel]

Empty inside, peer pressure, boiling point...

Two posideon boons that concerned only wallslamming

[keen bluff]

those ones arent bad?

typhoon fury or smth

[surreal hazel]

Ass on bosses

[keen bluff]

but yeah the three above are pretty ass

peer pressure is sometimes a nerf

[surreal hazel]

Much wonkier than h2's idea of a t2

[jovial river]

Plenty of do-nothing boons that aren’t t2 as well

[jovial river]

Wave Pounding

Wait that’s the extra boss damage one

[surreal hazel]

No that was bonus damage-

[jovial river]

Breaking Wave

[surreal hazel]

Breaking wave

[jovial river]

Yeah that boon is quite good

So are there best aspects in H2

[tough torrent]

crazy how aphro attack/spec went from amazing in 1 to... this

[austere trail]

oh hey pancake (from cr discord)

[jovial river]

I haven’t learned any of the meta yet

[jovial river]

What’s up

[austere trail]

you getting into hades 2 finally?

[jovial river]

It’s not good in H2?

[tough torrent]

its like fine

[jovial river]

Yeah a little, been playing it on my new laptop

[austere trail]

nice!

[jovial river]

Outclassed by Hera I guess?

[austere trail]

apollo

[tough torrent]

but its no longer got a debuff and only works on "close" enemies

[jovial river]

Really? Why

I wouldn’t have expected size to be better than damage

[austere trail]

his %dmg is also very good with increased range

[tough torrent]

apollo also no debuff and big damage, but works at any range and gives big zoe

[austere trail]

hera is good for the curse though

[jovial river]

Interesting, I thought it was a lot less damage than Aphro

[tough torrent]

not by that much

bigger aoe hitting more enemies is also a damage increase in a looser sense

[surreal hazel]

It's clear they wanted to make goods a bit more diverse than "+% damage and inflict curse" which was basically 90% of cores in h1

[jovial river]

Bigger difference than between Athena/Demeter and Aphro in H1

Right?

[tough torrent]

its been like a bajillion years since i played 1

so idk

[jovial river]

Base for attack is +30% for Pos, +40% for Athena/Dem, +50% for Aphro iirc

[tough torrent]

if you're in game, the bases % mods at common for each god are listed in their 'Offerings'

[jovial river]

I believe you that Apollo is better, I think I’ve heard that other places as well, it’s just surprising to me

[alpine raft]

more range is good

[jovial river]

I guess I underrated it

[tough torrent]

omega axe spin with Apollo hits like, the entire screen

its pretty silly

[jovial river]

Are there a few meta aspects for fear climbing like in H1

[austere trail]

yeah the size difference is always very noticeable. supay's is my fav change

circe, medea

[keen bluff]

its much more balanced imo

[austere trail]

mel staff as well

[keen bluff]

but yeah, there are some outliers

[jovial river]

Nice

[opal pecan]

A lot of aspects have been played at high Fear

Who's got the 67F list off the top of their head, I don't

[austere trail]

all aspects have been done at 62F (idk about 65F)

[jovial river]

Are there many aspects where people tend to rely on a specific hammer

[opal pecan]

Just a couple

[austere trail]

nergal loves psychic whirlwind

[opal pecan]

Psychic Whirlwind on -- yeah

[odd bolt]

For high fear yeah

[opal pecan]

And Trick Knives on some of the blades, like Pan

[austere trail]

^

although people can get by without them, from what I've seen

[alpine raft]

everything has done 65 both routes

[austere trail]

nice

[tough torrent]

Moonstone Axe aspects love Psychic Whirlwind**

[opal pecan]

*except Charon

[tough torrent]

it's probably pretty good on charon too tbh

[austere trail]

no

[tough torrent]

but yeah if you're taking its to play charon not +0 mel axe

[austere trail]

atk button doesn't exist on charon, def not the oatk

[jovial river]

The problem is that Hades 2 just reminds me I’m still at 23/24 aspects at 45 heat in the original

[austere trail]

which is the last aspect?

[jovial river]

Stupid ass Chiron

[austere trail]

anyway imo hades 2 fear is a lot more fun

[tough torrent]

bruh what 😭

[austere trail]

so don't worry about it

[tough torrent]

Chiron was my best aspect in the first game

[jovial river]

Chiron is the 24th best aspect in Hades

[austere trail]

lmao

[tough torrent]

well, Eris rail was actually my best aspect but like yknow its Eris Rail so

a monkey can play it

[tough torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/bugs-bunny-bunny-no-nope-nou-gif-14651222

[jovial river]

It is tho

Every other 45 was significantly easier

[tough torrent]

its definitely not the strongest but its very certainly not the weakest

[jovial river]

It genuinely is

At least bottom 3 or so

Any fist or sword aspect can be decent with merciful end

[thin gazelle]

Chiron isn’t UNUSABLE but it’s a beginner trap

Rama does a better job at multihit

[jovial river]

Well yeah Rama is goated

[thin gazelle]

Like don’t get me wrong it’s fun and it was my first 32 but it’s not the best

[jovial river]

It’s the worst

[thin gazelle]

Even above Gilgamesh?

[jovial river]

I found Gilga 45 to be much easier, at least

[tough torrent]

I'll glaze Gil fists all day but even i have to admit it the bottom of the barrel

[jovial river]

And I’m also fairly sure Gilga is faster

Yeah Chiron is the slowest aspect in the entire game

[thin gazelle]

Yeah it’s pretty slow

[tough torrent]

its really needs the ascending damage on special hits hammer iirc

[jovial river]

It really needs twin shot and heartbreak strike

Don’t even use the special

Anyway sorry for derailing with Chiron hate

How useful are Hephaestus attack and special

[austere trail]

heph blasts are very strong but you need a lot of investment to get the cooldown to a good place

[tough torrent]

read; you need to use jpom

[austere trail]

I mainly like him for defence

[tough torrent]

at level 1 heph blast boons take a billion years

[odd bolt]

Heph blasts need rarity

And poms ofc but mainly rarity

I only consider picking them if they come epic tbh

[thin gazelle]

You really need high rarity, and jpom helps a lot too. Don’t take it unless it’s epic/heroic

[tough torrent]

this feels like almost exactly what i said about charon and psych whirl a moment ago but in reverse

[thin gazelle]

Ok but Charon is actually good

[tough torrent]

god why is the infernal/nocturnal arms page on the wiki so bad 💀

[austere trail]

no one's bothered to update it

[opal pecan]

You can be the change you wish to see in the world

None of the wikis are official

[austere trail]

I updated like one page and immediately got bored

[tough torrent]

if i was gonna be the change i wanted to see in the world i'd set up a wiki.gg instead of using fandom or fextra

[austere trail]

true

[opal pecan]

Yo y'all look at this cool Mel coat speedrun: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lrgF6P47pU

[tough torrent]

got love hades speedruns

[alpine raft]

now your turn

[opal pecan]

Literally none of my irl friend group is into Hades except for the one person who's currently in another country and doesn't care about speedrunning

[tough torrent]

4 minute time
look inside
16 minute video

[opal pecan]

Lmao

Bro if you watch the video, the movement and the precision is so good

[alpine raft]

im seeing that jeez

[odd bolt]

God bless free rooms

[opal pecan]

I could neverrrrrr, if you handed me this RNG I would maybe get a low 5 minute time

MAYBE

[alpine raft]

whats your mel coat pb i remember it being pretty good

[opal pecan]

Barely sub 6, I'm very sloppy and don't have good control

And that was with pretty godly RNG itself

[tough torrent]

based "fug it i guess i'm taking smith rush" energy at the start

[opal pecan]

The very start of it is the end of a previous attempt

The runner resets a few rooms in

[tough torrent]

oof

[opal pecan]

Dunno why they left it in the video but that's part of the 16 minutes too ig haha

[tough torrent]

wait kneeling at the alt goes next seed????

😭 bruh

[alpine raft]

thats all it does what

[opal pecan]

You have to unlock the incantation

[tough torrent]

oh

[opal pecan]

Prereqs include completing the epilogue and doing some Fear (and maybe other stuff)

[tough torrent]

that checks out because i don't recall even having kneel as an option

[opal pecan]

Basically just meant as a post-game QOL for challenge runners

Not intended to be part of the main gameplay experience

I was recently told that in H1, speedrunners just straight up modded the game to get that capability

[alpine raft]

makes sense

[tough torrent]

i have not yet gotten the Fates yet. Its slow going cause im at the point where everyone i need to bond with wants a gift that passes time so its one gift per visit home

i think its just moros now tho?

[opal pecan]

Good luck comrade 🫡

[opal pecan]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/280788714790322176/1470573080773394442/image.png?ex=698bc968&is=698a77e8&hm=27090d70199b658e09b8a99e9664f733aa3c675fffe935557b48a35f445cf1d0& Speaking of RNG, I have gotten two Zeuses, two Poseidons, a Hera and a Hestia, and NONE of them have offered me an attack boon

[tough torrent]

ive had runs like that

was playing momus, got to hec and had no gain still

[opal pecan]

I could tell it wasn't gonna beat my PB, so I ended up throwing this run on Chronos

[final sedge]

i've noticed hades 2 seems to have a lot more boons available without core boons and rng can have you going multiple acts and still not fill certain core boons.

I once had a full chronos clear without a gain... but I used selene's hex as my gain... 😬

[opal pecan]

It has been explained to me that while attack or special will be prioritized when you have neither, the moment you have an attack OR a special, the game is just like "okay open season would you like Flood Gain offered twice in a row as the only core boon in the list of three, on Mel coat"

[final sedge]

I'm not sure I like flood gain. It feels like you're out of magic a lot

[alpine raft]

consider denial on speedruns it could be the method

[opal pecan]

It depends on the aspect really

And how high you can get the level

[tough torrent]

Flood Gain feels like the worst gain to me, at least at the level i play at currently

[opal pecan]

With jpom it's like 6s of Flood minimum even on a common rarity FG

[alpine raft]

if you didnt know its infinite magic when active

[opal pecan]

And you can activate it with zero magick as long as it's off cooldown

It's completely free

[tough torrent]

ok that i didnt know

[opal pecan]

They don't make it very obvious in the description!

I used to spam "PSA Flood Gain lets you use omega moves with zero magick if it's off cooldown"

Maybe I should start that back up lmao

[tough torrent]

still not a fan of it personally but that does make it seem better

[broken spoke]

It is good especially on certain aspect

[tough torrent]

escalier // Flood Gain 0 mana gamer

[opal pecan]

It's basically very good for anything where your magick uses come in bursts, especially if you want to load it with lots of boons that increase the magick cost even more

It's bad for things where you need to be constantly using magick at a steady rate

[tough torrent]

my issue is that whenever i'm using magic, i'm using it a lot

[opal pecan]

(Well, I say bad. If your build is busted enough that you can end an encounter in 8s or so, then the cooldown period doesn't even matter lol)

[opal pecan]

If you mean in terms of the magick cost, Flood Gain doesn't care about that

You get x seconds "on" of infinite magick and then 8s "off" where you'd best have other options

[tough torrent]

hmm

[alpine raft]

you do need enough max mana to use the omega too

[opal pecan]

Yeah that's fair enough.

If you primed down to zero you're still screwed 😂

[tough torrent]

me when i pick The™ athena boon

[spark crown]

Never have this problem cuz sea star

[tough torrent]

[umbral horizon]

Flood gain is better than born gain sometimes

[spark crown]

Trueee

[opal pecan]

The main concern with Born Gain is if you are working with a lot of prime and/or not a lot of resources, and you end up in a prolonged encounter

[tough torrent]

how does sea star interact with athena? i dont follow

[spark crown]

Grisly gain is good sometimes™

[opal pecan]

Sea Star doubling your max magick pickups

And/or your gold for buying max magick

[spark crown]

You get lots of mana from pickups XD

[tough torrent]

o

[magic moss]

kids these days don't know how good they have it, pepperidge farm remembers old Tranquil Gain or Ionic Gain and cries

[spark crown]

XD

[opal pecan]

You're telling me they used to be even worse!?

[spark crown]

I think I played just before they changed it and it was a shiva tier pickup

[opal pecan]

I don't know what that means

[spark crown]

Bad

[tough torrent]

tbh with a jpom tranquil is pretty alright

[magic moss]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1249502882819215453/1470582438626464018/image.png?ex=698bd21f&is=698a809f&hm=325e512f61a8bb77279f0f1b54e7b7e98526b5d729195b12604fa7ef2348acdb&

[spark crown]

Dogwater not worth

[opal pecan]

So like. Worse Unseen?

[magic moss]

at the cost of 70% max magick yes

[umbral horizon]

I just miss Mortal Gain, it 's the best gain in my opinion

[spark crown]

Common born gain no Jpom type

[magic moss]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1249502882819215453/1470582677802455297/image.png?ex=698bd258&is=698a80d8&hm=c536a304509715922d6077a86a965fed121e4a03f2126cd6efd80a8b02ee5111& Tranquil Gain also had the afk requirement 2x current and gave a very small amount of flat magick regen

[spark crown]

We thank the Devs for the buffs ig

[magic moss]

heroic gave a flat 55 magick per second as long as you were afk

[opal pecan]

An entire whole 1.0 seconds.... I would perish.... perhaps literally