h2-builds-and-combat

[regal cobalt]

yeah ok but otherwise yes?

[surreal hazel]

oh and most importantly phases 1 and 2 are also harder

[regal cobalt]

thats gonna be horrible

[unreal rose]

well idk I exposed every objective argument and you don't seem to want to believe me. Ultimately I'd say you need to play high fear to understand why it is needed, and if you're already doing that without antler then good for you (I'm personally not skilled enough for a casual antler every run but it would certainly have turned some of my losses into victory)

[surreal hazel]

he has a few new attacks, his summons are more brutal and numerous

[regal cobalt]

i see

[unreal rose]

And he has new death lines, among which my favourite is "AAAAAHHHHHHHH"

very emotive.

[regal cobalt]

does he get another npc join him like poly & medea/scylla & charybd or is it just him but way worse

[regal cobalt]

help

that sounds hilarious

[unreal rose]

Oh, just him and his " subjects "

[surreal hazel]

Rivals prom is more of a problem that rivals Typhon

[grim current]

So is there really no way to exchange Nectar for Bones?

[regal cobalt]

yeah ok

[grim current]

Unlike what the Wretched Broker could do in Hades 1?

[regal cobalt]

ohno i alr struggle more with prom than typhon tbh

[surreal hazel]

who is definitely harder and has a moment where you get a right wedgie, but isn't nearly as scary as chronos

[grim current]

No wait. Those were Chthonic Keys.

[regal cobalt]

damn

[surreal hazel]

Try it, you need to do rivals 3 at least to get the epilogue ending

because you need to do unrivalled prometheus for reasons I won't spoil

[regal cobalt]

ok i see i see

im gonna start trying to properly scale up my fear for following runs

rivals cerb wasnt as bad as i had imagined but prom prob makes up for that

[surreal hazel]

Rival Scylla is the real skill gate on the UW run

[regal cobalt]

i hate rivals scylla

[surreal hazel]

it's hard, no one is going to say otherwise

[regal cobalt]

good to know its not just me 😭

[scarlet ferry]

https://imgur.com/a/GVEADN2

Using Aspect of Charon and I have:

• Poseidon Cast
• Lucid Gain
• Sudden Cleaver
• Super Nova
• Artic Gale
• Geyser Spout
• Mental Block
• Local Climate
• Meat Grinder
• Prominence Flare
• Cut above

[tawny arrow]

Bro casting

[queen surge]

😎👍 that aspect you got there is pretty coolio

[regal cobalt]

i didnt get born or grizzly gain and hecuba apparently doesnt dig up magick in chronos phase 2 so i was stuck without my omega special with moros aspect the entirety of p2

[scarlet quiver]

“The Big Bonk”
•Aspect of Melinoe moonstone axe

Daedalus upgrades
•executioners chop
•hell splitter
•unyielding slash

Boons
•nova strike, at the highest
•bridal glow after nova strike if not already heroic
•heavy metal
•uncanny fortitude
•any heph shield stuff
•cardio gain

After all that, just do whatever you want, it’s a pretty easy build to get going

As it really helped me with my first few chronos wins

[scarlet quiver]

Thats actually horrible😭🙏

[regal cobalt]

it was bad 💀 atleast i had total eclipse that charged up on its own & winter harvest so the last 10% of health shattered

[scarlet quiver]

Nice

Having no magick sucks so badly it’s insane, especially with motos

Moros*

[regal cobalt]

fr

[scarlet quiver]

I honestly don’t get the aspect of melinoe axe hate, it’s like, so goated, even though no one is talking about that

[regal cobalt]

i never got the axe hate in general, one of my faves

aspect of thanatos is my go to tho not melinoes aspect

[scarlet quiver]

Yeah, it’s was going to be mine

But when I got to tier 5 melinoe

[scarlet quiver]

Smth clicked in me that had me make this build

[regal cobalt]

mel is good, but i like the extra speed of than + mortality is awesome

[scarlet quiver]

Yeah

Its like so much fun figuring out builds on your own in roguelike games

Or rogue lite

I really need to play hades 2 more

I only gave 30 hours in it

Have*

[regal cobalt]

oh damn

i think i have around 80 now, which is kind of sad considering it took me this long to actually beat the first part of the story 💀

[scarlet quiver]

Like, why am I not playing more, Scylla and the sirens is right there

[scarlet quiver]

Nice, buts still crazy

But Thats still crazy*

[surreal hazel]

Thanatos just does this better, but hey

[scarlet quiver]

Sometimes it’s more about just how fun the build can be

Cuz 1000 is a big number

[surreal hazel]

That's fair, but I want more kabong

[scarlet quiver]

Big double chop with heroic Apollo absolutely shreds

Even if it’s not the best

[surreal hazel]

it's very funny, yes

I had it rolling with thanatos rank VI and rapid hack

just disgusting damage

[scarlet quiver]

Actually imma do some math rn

[surreal hazel]

if you're trying to equate your math with attack speed versus raw power then know that you're wrong because attack speed is very wonky in Hades II

[regal cobalt]

having apollos attack boon on thanatos is my go to

[scarlet quiver]

No

Im tryna to figure the max damage I can do with big bonk

[regal cobalt]

already has huge AoE but with apollos extra dmg and extended aoe its just chefs kiss

[scarlet quiver]

So already at 510 with only hellsplitter

[surreal hazel]

is that it?

[scarlet quiver]

Not done

No boons yet

[surreal hazel]

ah

[scarlet quiver]

Let’s say you have like 75 armor

With heph

[surreal hazel]

with heavy metal?

[scarlet quiver]

Yeag

So

[surreal hazel]

that will add a flat +15 damage at the end of the damage calculation

[scarlet quiver]

Thats about 15

[surreal hazel]

it does not add 15 power

[scarlet quiver]

Hmmmm

Still doubles by executioners

[surreal hazel]

hellsplitter is literally the worst use of heavy metal

[scarlet quiver]

So 15, cuz it hits twice

[surreal hazel]

since the daggers hit 8 times for its combo for well, 120 bonus damage

[scarlet quiver]

Yeah, but damage in damage is still better than less damage

[surreal hazel]

Are you using the Furies, Strength and Origination?

[scarlet quiver]

Im just trying to maximize Ro amount I can have with Mel

True, I should calculate strength and origination

Using cast and dash to apply status probably

Hmmm

[surreal hazel]

with 350 base power, you want those +% modifiers, as power improvements aren't doing much

[scarlet quiver]

350?

[surreal hazel]

300 for hellsplitter, +50 for Mel axe

[scarlet quiver]

Wait a sec

Am I dumb

[surreal hazel]

Entirely possible, what have you forgotten?

[scarlet quiver]

I need to check hellsplitters description

[surreal hazel]

It's lying slightly

what it actually does is force you to use only the final strike (Which has a base of 240 normally) and adds +60 power

[regal cobalt]

in game descriptions r often misleading from what ive found

[surreal hazel]

How it's written in game is an easier way for a layperson to understand it

[scarlet quiver]

Well im aware of that but like, I though it was 160 for base strike + 300 from hell splitter

[surreal hazel]

but it makes it sound like it overrides Mel axe's power bonus, when it doesn't

[scarlet quiver]

“Your attack has + 300 power, but the 3 strike sequence becomes only the final chop”

[regal cobalt]

might be bc im not a native english speaker but often the way things r worded have lead me to think 1 thing and then i found out it means something else 😭

[surreal hazel]

The way function speed modifiers work is lies upon lies

[scarlet quiver]

So that should be 510 damage

[regal cobalt]

LOL

[scarlet quiver]

From one chop

[surreal hazel]

Before all modifiers you have 350

what's your attack boon doing?

[scarlet quiver]

I haven’t applied boom yet

So, what hellspitter actually does is override the base attack power and make it become 300?

What in the world

[surreal hazel]

yes

[scarlet quiver]

Ok

[surreal hazel]

well, like I say, it just adds 60 and the final strike normally is 240

[scarlet quiver]

Now I understand, and can do math correctly

So give me a bit guys, this will take a sec

[regal cobalt]

doesnt it only say that ur attack has 300 power, not + 300 power

[surreal hazel]

yeah, there's no + iirc

[scarlet quiver]

I swear when I looked at the wiki it said +300

[regal cobalt]

the wiki might also be wrong, iirc its not being updated a lot?

[scarlet quiver]

Woah

I just checked, it says 300

Dang

[regal cobalt]

yeah thats prob where ur contfusion came from

[scarlet quiver]

I can work with this though

Still big damage

[surreal hazel]

300 base power is a lot

especially for a standard attack

[scarlet quiver]

Especially with executioners chop

Which doubles it practically

[regal cobalt]

true, but hellsplitter is slow

[scarlet quiver]

Which is my it’s called the big bonk, it’s less about efficeny and more about the funny

[regal cobalt]

fair

[scarlet quiver]

Even if it’s suboptimal, that doesn’t mean you can’t have fun with it and make it strong

[regal cobalt]

true, and oneshotting enemies is a dopamine boost

[scarlet quiver]

And seeing bosses hp being cut in chunks is jsut amazing

[surreal hazel]

have you learned how to dash boost hellsplitter?

[scarlet quiver]

No, im just doing this casually so I got no idea

[surreal hazel]

you'll love this:

Start the attack like normally, then dash while mel is still raising the axe

she will dash forward, but the attack motion won't be interrupted

[scarlet quiver]

Oh, I think I’ve done that like

[surreal hazel]

so you can use it to more safely start up the attack at distance and then move in

[scarlet quiver]

A lot

[surreal hazel]

ah good, it's an essential skill for splitting hell

[scarlet quiver]

Yeah, I hust never knew it had a name

[surreal hazel]

a few other moves can do it

[scarlet quiver]

Huh

[surreal hazel]

notably while holding Attack to charge whirlwind, instead of releasing attack, press dash instead

you'll dash and then start the whirlwind

[scarlet quiver]

Oh, these are like things I do a bunch

[surreal hazel]

there's technique with staff omega attack thats' similar but it's much more precise since the move releases itself

[scarlet quiver]

Alright, got to get back to the big bonk math

Oh yeah, also for the big bonk, use frinos

[regal cobalt]

i love using frinos to eat hecates morph ball

[scarlet quiver]

He’s so good for that

[surreal hazel]

Frinos if you're a coward, real bonk uses Raki

gotta love that crit that is complete overkill

[regal cobalt]

raki my beloved

raki with thanatos

[surreal hazel]

with Night

[regal cobalt]

ofc

[surreal hazel]

and success rate

[scarlet quiver]

Sometimes I wish there was a vc in this server so people could yap about this game with other people that like it without having to type it out

[regal cobalt]

omega attack on full mortality + raki + night
even better if u get circes familiar perk boost

[tawny arrow]

Had these with heroic success rate, artemis crit boon, and antler

Lots of ! for sure

[surreal hazel]

Destroy them

[scarlet quiver]

Got to get back to big bonk axe math

[unique jewel]

i swear u can js dash through it repeatedly until it expires

[regal cobalt]

yeah thats what i usually do, but its funnier to have frinos eat it

[tawny arrow]

Got instawiped by chronos 3rd stage cus i had no shields or anything lol

[unreal rose]

Isn't Supernova useless?

[scarlet ferry]

No?

[unreal rose]

Are you just casting and not doing ospecial ? I don't get it

[regal cobalt]

isnt supernova the expanding cast, what would ospecial have to do with it

or well it makes hitting the cast with ur ospec easier

[tawny arrow]

And makes the following ocast bigger

[regal cobalt]

that too

[scarlet ferry]

It makes your casts expand until they expire. Including omega cast

[unreal rose]

Yeah I know but I just feel like I make the cast explode before it can expand meaningfully

when I play Charon

Maybe I've been playing it wrong though 🙃

[tawny arrow]

Even if u explode it early it's still bigger

[scarlet ferry]

It expands while it’s exploding as well

[tawny arrow]

Maybe not always as useful as poseidon ocast boon but still very good

[regal cobalt]

icarus is such a sweetheart but my god why do most of his perks suck

[regal cobalt]

but u can combine supernova with other cast boons so its pretty nice

[tawny arrow]

I may be tripping but i remember his boons being very good in early access

[scarlet ferry]

Only bad ones imo are the healing one and the exploding cast one

[tawny arrow]

Yep that's why i said it's good

[regal cobalt]

the only good ones imo r the armor and the daedalus upgrades

[scarlet ferry]

I had both

[scarlet ferry]

The one that makes omega moves do 50 damage in an area is really good

[tawny arrow]

+3 lvl to atk/special boon for 35 prime can be pretty good
Dealing 50 area damage around enemies hit with omega moves for +10 magick is very good
Cast blast sucks
Armor very good
Heal and pom every 7 encounters kinda doodoo
Hammer upgrade crazy good

[scarlet ferry]

And getting +3 for priming just 35 mana to either your special or attack is great

[tawny arrow]

Yeah so cast blast and heal are the only pretty bad ones

[scarlet ferry]

Yeah the heal is sooooooooo bad. I only took it a single time just for the prophecy. 7 encounters is way too long

[tawny arrow]

Esp since u get him mid thessaly

[regal cobalt]

and somehow he always gievs u the ones u need the least

[scarlet ferry]

I agree the cast blast is overall bad but I had it with a Circe build once and it was SUPER fun lol

[tawny arrow]

Yeah i pick it all the time but only cus i hate winning

[regal cobalt]

also why does he have to bring like 3 waves of enemies with him

atleast athena kills all the remaining enemies

[tawny arrow]

We do a little trolling

[regal cobalt]

artemis kinda does the same and it pisses me off

[tawny arrow]

He should watch how goathena does it

[regal cobalt]

goathena 🔥

[scarlet ferry]

It would be cool if you you got the healing and Pom slices after every guardian and warden fights

[tawny arrow]

INSTANT DEATH SPEARS TO ALL

[scarlet ferry]

I think that’d be balanced

[tawny arrow]

If only she would smite typhon mid battle instead of zeus

Dude would be wiped instantly

[regal cobalt]

true

[scarlet ferry]

9/10 times you’re still gonna get an Artemis boon that’s helpful.

And if you aren’t using the Fates Whim keepsakes, you can use rerolls on her

[tawny arrow]

I love athena in the hades universe so much

So cool

[regal cobalt]

true, which is why i still like artemis more than icarus cus chances r i get something ass gfrom his

[tawny arrow]

Heph is my all time goat tho

[regal cobalt]

also i dont have fates whim keepsakes yet i havent found the fates yet

[tawny arrow]

No need for that

[scarlet ferry]

You don’t need to find them

[regal cobalt]

oh well

[scarlet ferry]

It’s just the keepsakes you get from Hades/Persephone, Zag, and Chronos

[tawny arrow]

Only need to spear the big ugly and find your parents or gramps or bro

[regal cobalt]

i defeated typhon & chronos like 1 run ago

[scarlet ferry]

Welp

[tawny arrow]

Yeah they don't appear the run right after

[regal cobalt]

yeah

[scarlet ferry]

The second time you see each of the people I mentioned you can get the keepsakes

[regal cobalt]

awesome

[tawny arrow]

Not quite true for big bro

[regal cobalt]

now im doing chaos trials cus i need some stardust but i only have these sucky trials left with 4-5 eye difficulty

[scarlet ferry]

No it’s is. ||you get his keepsake after beating him the second time||

[tawny arrow]

Yeah not meeting him tho

[scarlet ferry]

I guess

[tawny arrow]

You gotta ||whoop his security specialist bum||

[scarlet ferry]

Lowkey I like Icarus’ boons more than Dionysus’

[tawny arrow]

Nah dio is CRAZY GOOD

[regal cobalt]

thats fair dios perks r kinda ass, but atleast dio doesnt bring a b illion enemies with him

[tawny arrow]

His heal boons is straight busted

NAH U GUYS ARE TRIPPING HARDDDD

Hol on i'm making a lisy

[regal cobalt]

he has a few good ones dont get me wrong but some of them r straight up butt

[scarlet ferry]

I hate Tipsy Shot since you can instant drop your cast anymore.

Reckless Abandon is a meme.

I’ve never had a single time where the money one, Personal Loan, is actually useful.

Drunken Stupor is okay

I like the others though

[regal cobalt]

i only took personal loan for the prophecy

[scarlet ferry]

Same

[regal cobalt]

i need the money for before prom not after him 😭

[scarlet ferry]

If you get offered Tipsy Shot, Personal Loan, and Reckless Abandon, you’re forced into a harmful choice 😭

[scarlet ferry]

And at that point in the run you’re either rich anyway or don’t need more money

[regal cobalt]

exactly

if he was in ephyra it would be cool

[tawny arrow]

Cast shot with crazy damage: amazing
A stupid amount of health but now it's hidden: crazy good, you don't need to see your hp anyways
Hangover: very good for mobs but falls off against bosses
Life restoration: falls off against typhon cus it's the final fight but otherwise one of the best boons in the game
Grape juice: situational, can be busted tho
Festive fog: same, but more useful in general
Personal loan: good if your build is strong enough
Random atk dmg: i love gambling

[scarlet ferry]

Out of the ones I like, I’d rank them like this.

1. Happy Haze

2. Worry Free

3. Bottomless Drink

4. Bounce Back

[scarlet ferry]

The lob cast shot just breaks so many builds though

Most of the time I want my cast coming out instantly

[tawny arrow]

Makes it slower but otherwise it's the best cast shot in the game

[surreal hazel]

Tipsy shot has insane base power, so it's like a portable howitser

[tawny arrow]

I get what ur saying tho

[surreal hazel]

it has/had some weird interactions with hostile environment in the past

[tawny arrow]

Diogoatsus the only god to give me a working artillery cannon

No slander shall be tolerated

[regal cobalt]

uuuugh stupid prom

[tawny arrow]

He's also packing a howitzer of his own
Big bonus

[scarlet ferry]

Regardless, Dionysus has 4 boons I don’t like, 1 that’s meh/okay, and 4 that I like. That’s being generous actually cause I’m not crazy about Bounce Back.

Compared to Icarus who only has 2 boons I don’t like

[surreal hazel]

Grape Juice is occasionally insane

because it applies to the entire move it buffs

including missile salvos from the coat

[scarlet quiver]

After a small break, im back to do big bonk math

[tawny arrow]

Restore 80% of the damage you took in the encounter is just stupid op

[scarlet ferry]

I’m so glad there’s no button to pick it up

cough Aether Font cough

[scarlet ferry]

If it’s Heroic that is 😭

[surreal hazel]

also Dio has two boons that seismic servo actually affects, so there's that

[tawny arrow]

Dude even common is insane

[surreal hazel]

combine it with Healthy Rebound for a full heal every room

[scarlet ferry]

Yeah but I’d still rather Worry Free over it

[surreal hazel]

Bounce back also heals even if you take armour damage, which is bonkers

[tawny arrow]

Or if you DD it heals you up fully too

[scarlet ferry]

What’s seismic servo again?

[scarlet ferry]

Didn’t know that. Neat

[surreal hazel]

-25% recharge time, heph/pos duo

[scarlet ferry]

Zeus’ gain should work like grape juice

[tawny arrow]

The 2 undeniable goats of olympus

[scarlet quiver]

4755

[scarlet ferry]

This is ominous to post with no context 💀

[scarlet quiver]

That’s what I got for my calculations on Mel axe

For big bonk

But it could be wrong, or bigger

Idk

[scarlet ferry]

What Buffs are you factoring in to get 4755?

[scarlet quiver]

Like strength

Origination, hell splitter, executioners chop

[scarlet ferry]

What about Hephaestus Legendary

[scarlet quiver]

Heroic Apollo attack boon

True

Let me calculate that

[scarlet ferry]

And I’m pretty sure Aphrodite attack is more than Apollo

[scarlet quiver]

Yeah

But bigger aoe is what I like

Aoe*

[scarlet ferry]

You can add in grape juice from Dionysus for an extra +100 lol

[regal cobalt]

u'll like nergal i think

[scarlet ferry]

Fair. I was just thinking about biggest possible

[regal cobalt]

LOL

[scarlet quiver]

Yeah im just thinking about like convince too

Cuz bigger isnt always the best with shield enemy’s

But it usually is

[scarlet ferry]

Well if Hephaestus is already there for his legendary, you can get +26% from glow

[scarlet quiver]

This is gonna take me a bit

I’ll brb

[scarlet ferry]

That’s why I like the axe hammer that makes specials do +300 to armor (or is it +600?)

[scarlet quiver]

Wait

[scarlet ferry]

Furies!

[scarlet quiver]

No heph is already being accounted for with legendary weapon

[scarlet ferry]

Ah

[scarlet quiver]

Cuz the Mel axe is like already ahead by a bit

No

Wait im dumb

[scarlet ferry]

You can include the double attack chance from Apollo to consider double whatever number you get lol

[scarlet quiver]

It’s not being accounted for

[tawny arrow]

Glow can go way bigger than +26%??

[scarlet ferry]

+26% is without levels in it

[tawny arrow]

Isn't it 25%

[scarlet quiver]

Yeah, I’ll do testing with Mel axe and premium service later

[scarlet ferry]

Maybe. The wiki, which is outdated, says 26%

[scarlet quiver]

Cuz I can’t find a number currently

[scarlet ferry]

Oh 25% is for epic. 26% is heroic

[tawny arrow]

How
I have never in the entire game AND in 30 attempts specifically aimed at getting premium service, ever gotten it

[scarlet quiver]

If we add 26% to the 4755

We get 5991 damage

So one shoting sirens

[scarlet quiver]

Idk, I’ll just try to get lucky

Air

Wait*

Math wrong

[scarlet ferry]

Be gotten it a few times. Pretty fun. One time was with Morrigan blades

[scarlet quiver]

Give me a sec

[surreal hazel]

I got it twice today alone, are you just shunned by the guy?

[scarlet ferry]

OH I also got it on Thanatos axe once and my attack was sooooooo fast

[regal cobalt]

what are rare events i might have missed that myths retold can take me back to? is it just lore stuff

[surreal hazel]

Did you bend his favorite hammer?

[scarlet ferry]

I think it’s literally just for replaying the last surface and underworld runs

[regal cobalt]

oh ok

[tawny arrow]

Dude i'm like actually the unluckiest person in the world

[scarlet quiver]

So we have a total of 4800 with glow

[surreal hazel]

Not just the last

[scarlet quiver]

I think

[surreal hazel]

It basically resets your game as if you never beat chronos or typhon once

And resets the epilogue too

[tawny arrow]

Never got chant either

[regal cobalt]

is there anyone who actually likes using xinth

[scarlet ferry]

Yeah but I meant that the only reason people would wanna use it is for the final few runs

[regal cobalt]

i just cant get the hang of it at all i hate it

[surreal hazel]

Only cool people like xinth

[tawny arrow]

Goatsinth*

[tawny arrow]

Ya punch and ya shoot rockets at people

[scarlet ferry]

The trick is to not use % boosts for attacks

[regal cobalt]

why

[surreal hazel]

You can so that

[scarlet ferry]

Base attack damage is low

[surreal hazel]

Nova strike is hilariously good

[scarlet ferry]

I mean you can

[regal cobalt]

ooh

[surreal hazel]

Base attack is 40. It's great

[regal cobalt]

maybe im just too used to playing zorephet

need to branch out more

[surreal hazel]

Only the axe has a bigger attack power on the first hits

[scarlet ferry]

Speaking comparatively. And since it attacks so fast you can make great use of scorch and blitz

[scarlet quiver]

Here’s the equation im using for Mel damage
{(350 x 3[from Apollo heroic]) x1.5 x 1.2 x 1.26) +15 and then doubling all that

Origination and strength and glow included

[surreal hazel]

Noooope, stop

[scarlet quiver]

Could be better

[tawny arrow]

Idk what they thought with selene xinth's godsent tho

[surreal hazel]

That's not how +% works

[scarlet quiver]

True

Im bad at math

[regal cobalt]

oh right i need to use that for the prophecy

[scarlet quiver]

Like, really bad

[tawny arrow]

"Yeah so your special ability is to shoot down a bunch of rays in rapid succession. The godsent? Your first ray does more damage."

[surreal hazel]

And add the furies for 30% more

[scarlet quiver]

Oh yeah

[regal cobalt]

also question does discordant bell effect go away after u unequip or no

[tawny arrow]

They go away if you never use it

[scarlet ferry]

It’s not a math issue. It’s just how the game chooses to go about multiple boosts.

If you have 50% from Origination and 30% from Furies, it’s a total 80% boost.

Not: X * 1.5 * 1.3

[scarlet quiver]

Ohhhhhh

[tawny arrow]

Which is the intended purpose of the bell

[scarlet quiver]

Thanks

[regal cobalt]

huh

[scarlet quiver]

Weird though

[scarlet ferry]

The only exception is crit damage. Crit damage is multiples and not added to the total percent

[scarlet ferry]

No problem 👍

[tawny arrow]

Use heracles keepsake instead

[scarlet quiver]

Woah

Now I can really start doing this

[regal cobalt]

that wasnt my question

[tawny arrow]

Eris keepsake is like, objectively one of if not the worst keepsake in the game

But yes i think it does stay if you really want an answer

[regal cobalt]

its one of the last i havent leveled up

[regal cobalt]

ok ty

[tall notch]

Eris keepsake is bad for lore reasons btw, she gave Mel a useless gift on purpose

[scarlet quiver]

Is the actually damage with furies is like, 2,800 or so

Maybe

[regal cobalt]

sounds like eris

[tawny arrow]

Love eris

[scarlet quiver]

No wait

2.830

Forgor the extra 30

I love Mel axe

[tawny arrow]

Best keepsake is def gold purse or concave stone tho

[regal cobalt]

i dislike concave stone tbh

[scarlet quiver]

Actually

[queen surge]

Based Charon Keepsake user

[regal cobalt]

ends up giving u an annoying boon u didnt want

[tawny arrow]

Good i was ragebaiting

[scarlet quiver]

Maybe I can use Aphrodite to get like 10 percent extra base damage

[tawny arrow]

I do actually love gold purse cus charon is my homie

[regal cobalt]

[scarlet quiver]

Well, no just a flat 10 percent extra with how it’s worded, I think

[regal cobalt]

i like silken sash even tho ive been berated for it 🥀 its nice when u have some prior armor

[tawny arrow]

Silken sash goated af

[scarlet ferry]

Well if it were multiplicative and not additive, the game would be broken.

For example, let’s say you’re base damage is 40 and you have a +150%, +50%, and + 30%

Additive: 40 -> 132

Multiplicative 40 -> 195

[tawny arrow]

Especially if you kept arachne's dress

[regal cobalt]

yes

arachnes dresses r goated

[scarlet quiver]

Game balance, makes since

[tawny arrow]

Btw what if you have arachne's dress that increases your dmg every encounter
How does that add to your calculations

[scarlet ferry]

And this difference becomes exponentially bigger as you get more damage boosts

[regal cobalt]

i got the achievement for getting to the house with one of her dresses very early on cus i just kept taking heph boons and stacking sash

[tawny arrow]

Real af

[scarlet quiver]

The difference between 6000 and 2800 is insane

Well, I’ll do some test running next time I can

[scarlet ferry]

B * (1 + 0.03 * E)

Where “E” is the number of encounters survived with the dress

[tawny arrow]

Yeah i know the equation just sayinf it could be a pretty nice addition

[scarlet ferry]

It can but the more boosts you add the less they affect it

[tawny arrow]

How many encounters does uw have anyways

[scarlet ferry]

Not sure but I just found this:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?l=russian&id=3246647605

But it lists chambers and not encounters

But I guess you subtract 3 chambers from Erebus, Oceanus, and Mourning fields to account for the starting room, ending room, and final shop. Then subtract 2 from Tartarus

After that, you just hope that you get no extra fountain rooms and that Nemesis doesn’t steal any encounters. And for the max number of encounters in Tartarus

[tawny arrow]

Just gimme a number boss

[scarlet ferry]

Bruh I’m telling you idk

[regal cobalt]

WHAT

i just died to zagreus.

[scarlet ferry]

Rip

Yeah his fight boils down to him being super telegraphed with only a few different moves but does and insane amount of damage

[regal cobalt]

i lost all 3 of my dd back to back

[scarlet ferry]

It’s like the Charon fight in Hades 1 but with faster + smaller hurt boxes

[regal cobalt]

tbf i did have a chaos curse cus i didnt know it was gonna be that bad

[scarlet ferry]

Do you have any fear on?

[regal cobalt]

ah!

[regal cobalt]

not even 💀 i was just trying to get the sky fall godsent for the prophecy but i died before i could even get my second path of stars 😭

i think i just got so caught of guard

but still hilarious

[scarlet ferry]

Cause I was gonna say that he’s a MENACE with Frenzy 2 on.

I can beat him without Frenzy pretty easily but get destroyed on Frenzy 2 😭

[regal cobalt]

HELP

i didnt even think of that

i avoid frenzy in general tho

[scarlet ferry]

Makes the reward for the rest of the run not even worth it

[regal cobalt]

welp

[scarlet ferry]

But after the second time you beat him, you unlock his keepsake

So you only ever have to fight him twice if you really don’t want to lol

[regal cobalt]

i see

my cat jumped up on my table and is watching me play intently

waiting for this mfer to suddenly attackmy screen bc: bright colors !! moving!! omg!!!

[regal cobalt]

YAY JPOM

[grim current]

I really like Fates' Whim! Of course, it takes time to get all of the Fates' Whim trinkets.

[regal cobalt]

this was my first one

but i beat zagreus once this run so i should only need to beat him a second time for his keepsake if i understood correctly

[scarlet ferry]

You’re correct

And you get Chronos’ by gifting him nectar in the area between Erebus and Oceanus.

[scarlet ferry]

I wish they’d make Zagreus’ keepsake more relevant. It’s almost always better to start with Jpom over calling card.

If you’re going into region 2 and still missing some core/important boons, it can be good to switch to calling card. However, region 2 is also the best time to switch to Chronos’ keepsake because you don’t get many good rewards in region 2

[scarlet ferry]

Using Momus staff and I just got Epic Racing Thoughts from Hermes in Ephyra 😩

[scarlet ferry]

https://imgur.com/a/GTBrtl7

Wait guys why am I getting so much great stuff for momus

Oh and I have the Dual Moonshot hammer

Only thing that sucks so far is that I have the Zeus morph godsent hex but didnt get the upgrade that makes it do a ton of damage to bosses

[spark crown]

when i roll shimering rockets room1 on selene but roll no on hit T_T

[chilly vale]

for an air quality build, does one bother with Origination?

i suppose it would be helpful for the apollo/demeter duo

[vernal quiver]

Yeah origination should never leave the arcana

[chilly vale]

What about the % epic boon one

[vernal quiver]

Excellence?? Its dookie i never use it

Boatman is just a better use of 5 grasp

[chilly vale]

isnt excellence the legendary one

[scarlet ferry]

Divinity is the best of the rarity boosting arcana cause it costs 0 grasp lol

[vernal quiver]

No excellence is rare and epic chances iirc

[chilly vale]

ye i mean do i bother not activating it and putting grasp somewhere else?

since rarity of zeus cast wont matter anymore

[scarlet ferry]

Excellence says "X% chance to include Legendary or at least Rare"

Divinity says "X% chance to include Epic"

[regal cobalt]

isnt excellence the rare + legendary chance that costs 5 and divinity is the epic chance which is 0 arcana but requires u to activate a whole row

[scarlet ferry]

dont know why its worded like that

[vernal quiver]

Ohhh ok

Yeah Divinity should be on anyway gettinga whole row is normal, excellence you should never bother with cuz 5 grasp is better spend elsewhereb

[chilly vale]

yeah

[chilly vale]

no i mean i wasnt saying activate excellence

and also doesnt Air quality check after origination

[spark crown]

Selene coat is unredeemable ngl

[vernal quiver]

Yeah which is why air quality is buns

Very rarely does anything actually do less than 50

[spark crown]

not even exaustriser hitch attack can save it

[chilly vale]

true, just going for something like circe with zeus cast, arctic gale, etc

for fun

[vernal quiver]

Zeus cast iirc common 4 base is like 40 lol, if you wanna do air quality do demeter cast with ares blades

[chilly vale]

eh yeah divinity is probably good for getting epic double strike

[chilly vale]

Isnt it 25 base dmg? idk wym by 4

[spark crown]

post game thing

[chilly vale]

ye but wouldnt zeus cast be better for the chance of double strike + hermes increased odds whatever its called

[vernal quiver]

Lvl4 common from jpom is what I mean

[spark crown]

cas isnt post game yet plum XD

[chilly vale]

no i am

[spark crown]

oh?

thought you wernt XD

[vernal quiver]

Zeus cast is strongest yes but for air quality itll do more than 50 with like zero effort

[chilly vale]

thats true

[spark crown]

swear i saw that you wernt yesterday XD

[chilly vale]

winstreak

[spark crown]

W

[chilly vale]

what do i want for just circe zeus cast then

[vernal quiver]

Zeus cast, blitz attack, hera special, then hope for shimmering/twin moonshot

Hera and zeus changing places on attack and special is cool too since special isnt as important to be big% like mel staff is

Plus without shimmering moonshot its wayyy easier to spread hitch from attack

[chilly vale]

Whats twin moonshot for? extra dmg?

[vernal quiver]

Yuh

[scarlet ferry]

yes

[vernal quiver]

Shimmering, twin, and melting swipe are the 3 best hammers

Wicked thrasher is an honorable mention

[scarlet ferry]

If you can, the best possible combination of gods to get on Circe are Zeus (cast), Apollo, Poseidon, Demeter, and Ares

It can get reallllyyyyyy stupid

[vernal quiver]

All you need is zeus tbh

And even then its a super flexible weapon

[scarlet ferry]

Yeah but I'm just saying what the most damage will be

[chilly vale]

whats poseidon doign here ? cus do i even bother doing omega casts

[vernal quiver]

Hestia cast is crazy too, needs Pyro technique or freezer burn tho

[scarlet ferry]

Geyser Spout

[vernal quiver]

No lol idk why they said pos either

Circe isnt an omega weapon

[chilly vale]

ye isnt geyser spout only for o. cast

[scarlet ferry]

If you get Winner's Circle it is

[vernal quiver]

Eh even then youre better off just doing regular

Since then you have to actually care about a gain and cant prime out

[scarlet ferry]

I guess

[chilly vale]

ig if im taking apollo lucid gain solves that

[scarlet ferry]

yes

[chilly vale]

yeah im just not doing no fate runs, altho whats the arcana setup for that?

[scarlet ferry]

But investing in Omega Casts can be really good with all the extra damage you can get. Meat Grinder, Cut Above, Prominence Flar, Local Climate

[scarlet ferry]

For rerolls or Fates Whim?

[chilly vale]

Fates Whim

[scarlet ferry]

One sec I'll show you mine

[vernal quiver]

I can give you my circe specific one

[chilly vale]

sure

[spark crown]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMSIsImMyIiwiYzMiLCJjNCIsImM1IiwiYzYiLCJjNyIsImM4IiwiYzExIiwiYzEyIiwiYzEzIiwiYzE0IiwiYzE1IiwiYzE3IiwiYzI0Il0=

this is my one

[vernal quiver]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMyIsImM1IiwiYzYiLCJjNyIsImM4IiwiYzEwIiwiYzExIiwiYzEyIiwiYzEzIiwiYzE0IiwiYzE1IiwiYzE3IiwiYzE4IiwiYzI0Il0=
this is what i do for scars3

[scarlet ferry]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMSIsImMyIiwiYzMiLCJjNiIsImM3IiwiYzgiLCJjMTEiLCJjMTMiLCJjMTQiLCJjMTUiLCJjMTciLCJjMTgiLCJjMjMiLCJjMjQiXQ==

[scarlet ferry]

If you take Death instead of Strength, you can take off Huntress (also Wayward Son) for something else

Not much to choose from tho

[chilly vale]

idt i need dd yet, still low heat

[scarlet ferry]

Use mine then 😎

[spark crown]

switch it with strength then

[chilly vale]

yeah, ive been

[vernal quiver]

Id consider trying to put on night just so selene can actually be useful

[spark crown]

eternity

[vernal quiver]

No

Night is cheaper and it's not an omega weapon

[chilly vale]

isnt night for like idk. momus? im not doing omegas on circe

[vernal quiver]

Just to get moon active

[chilly vale]

Oh

[vernal quiver]

No other purpose

[scarlet ferry]

Its good for the torches

[chilly vale]

it is?

[scarlet ferry]

Yeah. All the torches wanna use both omega attack and special

[chilly vale]

yea but dont u want to be just doing omega attacks in succession while omega special is active

[scarlet ferry]

Yes but its still there for the damage. And if you do the omega attack first, I'm pretty sure the Omega special has the crit chance for the entire duration

[spark crown]

medea needs to stop spawning on my head T_T

[scarlet ferry]

Also, for Eos, if you use the omega special first and then the omega attack, the big flying ball has the crit chance buff for its entire duration

[alpine raft]

its still not great though, id only consider using night on eos

[spark crown]

first time in a long time im killing fates whims

[scarlet ferry]

But if the choice is between Huntress and Night I'm going Night on every torch

[chilly vale]

just havent unlcoked the other fate whim keepsakes 😔

[spark crown]

i dont use any but jpom

[vernal quiver]

Don't listen to metal, chrolexnis crazy and calling card is niche

[spark crown]

RENEWED FAITH LETS GOOOO

[scarlet ferry]

I had an idea for a Calling Card rework:

• While you have the Calling Card effect, whenever a boon is leveled up by a Pom or Pom Slice it goes up in rarity.

This way it doesn't have to compete with Jpom because it can rarify the boons you already have

[spark crown]

Ehh rarity is only like +1 pom per lvl anyway so would be best to just make it double poms gains or something

[scarlet ferry]

Well +1 lvl and +1 rarity is still better than +2 lvl

[alpine raft]

think about the heroic nitro boost

[broken spoke]

Eh calling card is fine as it is

[spark crown]

ICARUS NOOOOOO DONT YOU DARE THIS IS A GOOD RUN

[broken spoke]

Its problem is just the timing to get it

[vernal quiver]

It can be a reasonable r3 take if what you still need loves rarity

[spark crown]

Thanks for making me lose 2 dd icarus T_T

[vernal quiver]

Just dont??

Icarus rooms cannot be that hard

Ik he has the whole population of the UK in his pocket but still

[spark crown]

can when he summons 6 anchor guys on my head with the automatrons from olumpus

MORRIGAN HAMMERS HAVE TIER 2?????????

i forgive him for all his transgressions

[scarlet ferry]

If I wanna use Selene coat with Ares, do you think I should Ares keepsake -> Moon Beam or the other way around?

[vernal quiver]

Probably that yeah

Just so you get him asap and can build towards grievous

[alpine raft]

starting with moon beam is freaky

[spark crown]

and i got impaled by a hoplite for 10 km away

[scarlet ferry]

Wait dangit I should probably use strength to get Athena later for the godsent boon. Reset

Do ya'll think Zeus on attack/Ares on special or the other way around is better?

For Selene

[chilly vale]

So when does one switch off jpom to timepiece

[vernal quiver]

R2

[scarlet ferry]

Region 2 is good cause you get a lot of crap there

[umbral horizon]

Zeus special and Arc Flash goes crazy on Coat

[verbal island]

Im going to kill zeus. Entire run trying to get his duo boon, and he WILL NOT give it to me.. 🪦

[vernal quiver]

Please dont I need him for my 67s 🥀

[chilly vale]

what do i take for r3

[scarlet ferry]

Depends on how the run is

[chilly vale]

what then

[scarlet ferry]

If there’s nothing I feel I need I just go with Fig Leaf to make it not take as long lol

[queen surge]

I take droplet for uw

[chilly vale]

what if theres something i still want? calling card?

[scarlet ferry]

I guess. You can also take Aromatic Phial if you’re happy with it hitting any of your common boons

If I’m nervous about health I go ghost onion. It also ignores vow of scars

[vernal quiver]

Generally the high fear takes are like gorgon if you need the dds, e.hammer for gambling, gonion if scars3 and almost died, sash can be a take if you need the armor

[scarlet ferry]

If there aren’t any hammers that will break your build you can take experimental hammer

[vernal quiver]

R3 is super super flexible, calling card can be a good take if youre banking on some boons in r3 and 4

Droplet you can take if its fields or youre an omega weapon, phial generally is r2 or not at all kinda thing

[scarlet ferry]

If you’re relying on magic and you’ve ended up priming a ton, you can take Hecate’s Wheel to help out while you try to get more max mana

I’ve had to do that a couple of times

[chilly vale]

Can't hammer sometimes brick you

[vernal quiver]

Depends on the weapon yeah

[scarlet ferry]

Yeah. Thats why I said to check to see if any hammers will break your build

[chilly vale]

also how's the Hestia-Zeus duo for medea

[scarlet ferry]

Skull and Axe are the main ones that will have hammers break them

[vernal quiver]

Or you just gamble and high roll the hit and its awesome

[vernal quiver]

Kinda whatever, scorch isnt really your main damage there

[scarlet ferry]

Put Aphrodite, Apollo, Hera, or Ares on attack

If it’s fates whim run and none of those are in the pool, you can take Demeter

[chilly vale]

hmm i wish there was some sort of way to immediately trigger scorch like that old ares something duo in hades 1

[scarlet ferry]

Hestia - Demeter duo

Freezer Burn

[vernal quiver]

Yeah freezer burn does that

Its really really strong, just gotta not take Pyro tech

[chilly vale]

ahh alr tyty

& i guess for r4 just take knuckle bones?

[vernal quiver]

Pin/antler

Bones is niche, mostly its used for olympus rivals since itll chunk out the 2 of em

[scarlet ferry]

I like Lions Fang

[limpid spear]

btw, you've made it too far in 67, need to change your name to 2nd weakest

[vernal quiver]

lmfao will do

[spark crown]

my disciple has failed me he thinks medea is a good aspect ( @bitter wren )

[bitter wren]

speed

[broken spoke]

Medea is a good aspect

[spark crown]

False

[vernal quiver]

Ur just bad at it twin 🥀

[spark crown]

https://imgur.com/TvANiLX

^ 494 Runs of experience (on my save that didnt corrupt and vanish)

[vernal quiver]

Uh huh

[spark crown]

what plum

[merry prawn]

Medea is a good aspect

[tawny arrow]

On zeus this guy crazy

[merry prawn]

Is that morrigan and supay in S tier???

[tawny arrow]

Looks like eos

[merry prawn]

Oh okay

Even crazier

[spark crown]

morrigan and eos

[merry prawn]

I do enjoy morrigan a lot but I don't see the eos appeal

[spark crown]

@bitter wren says gale is useless btw

[bitter wren]

i just like dd cat more

[spark crown]

weak

[austere trail]

bruh

[vernal quiver]

500 runs of experience and no 60 clear 🥀

[vernal quiver]

Strike him down zeus please 🙏

[spark crown]

zeus thinks im cool :P

[vernal quiver]

Didnt you put blitz attack in c 🥀

[spark crown]

put the flourish in a didnt i

[vernal quiver]

Theyre both s idk what you're on

[spark crown]

🥀

[flint widget]

i need to know what ur smoking metal

[spark crown]

im 100% clean

[flint widget]

https://tenor.com/view/dexter-gif-1878760417600646737

[viral yew]

I know what the place he lives in is like he is not clean

[spark crown]

im was the boring vanilla kid XD im clean as hell i dont even vape LMAO

[bitter wren]

fr

[viral yew]

Noone who lives in tassie is clean and I stand by it

[spark crown]

false

[flint widget]

yo what's up dollar store jacksucksatlife

[regal cobalt]

what is this meea slander

[bitter wren]

meanie

[spark crown]

It's

[flint widget]

it's ass for u cuz ur ass at it

[bitter wren]

im cooler then jacksucksatlife

[regal cobalt]

heavy disagree

[vernal quiver]

He's just bad at it

[regal cobalt]

makes sense

[viral yew]

Don't argue with him

[vernal quiver]

Chat do I run more 67 attempts or go to bed

[regal cobalt]

sleep is for the weak

[spark crown]

https://tenor.com/view/dexter-shrug-dexter-dexter-morgan-dexter-meme-shrug-gif-10663109702520140606

[vernal quiver]

Having gotten to chronos twice now pisses me off

[spark crown]

67f

[vernal quiver]

Ill do runs for another couple hours ig 🥀

[regal cobalt]

[vernal quiver]

if i die to p2 chronos again im gonna tweak tf out

[regal cobalt]

😭

[vernal quiver]

p3 is a joke im not even kidding

[spark crown]

Weak willed

[vernal quiver]

girl you havent even gotten to prom on 60

[regal cobalt]

i should go do rivals prom

[vernal quiver]

you get to heal and have arcana 🥀

[spark crown]

Yes but I have the will to continue even tho I'm at 200ish total 60f losses

[spark crown]

https://tenor.com/view/shaggy-spring-trap-are-you-challenging-me-gif-14382122591141745278

[vernal quiver]

never said i wouldnt continue, just that id tweak tf out

idk who at sgg saw p2 rivals chronos and was like "yeah i can see whats going on"

[spark crown]

Me

(kidding)

[flint widget]

did u have deep dissent

[spark crown]

So after the first 60f clear (which Ive gotten close to nearly reaching prom) I'm doing 67f

[flint widget]

cuz that solves p2 problems for me

[spark crown]

@flint widget you of little faith skull reacting my message

[tawny arrow]

DOUBLE TORNADO TIME

[chilly vale]

thanatos axe boons? apollo atk ig?

[tawny arrow]

That works

[regal cobalt]

apollo atk on than is my fav go to

[chilly vale]

what else then? ig something with a curse on cast for origination? or dash

[tawny arrow]

Blitz always works on anything

So does hitch

[surreal hazel]

Sworn Strike is a monster here

but honestly thanatos makes anything work

[vernal quiver]

no

[surreal hazel]

it's fast, it's AoE, it has good base power

[chilly vale]

Hera atk, what else?

[viral yew]

Than ocast superiority

[flint widget]

rip

[tawny arrow]

Literally whatever else

[flint widget]

demeter cast for possible cherished heirloom

[tawny arrow]

Could even make aphro dash work here

[flint widget]

nah its always blinding rush

[regal cobalt]

i also like to add perfect image to thanatos to stack with mortality

nexus rush is also a good one

[tawny arrow]

That's why i said COULD EVEN

[flint widget]

fair enough

[surreal hazel]

don't use wave flourish on the axe

[chilly vale]

yeah is it just me or apollo dash is just the strongest

[surreal hazel]

for stupid reasons, you get one splash on the special, not three

[tawny arrow]

Yeah use wave strike

[viral yew]

Eh, not damage wise

[tawny arrow]

Can be outclassed by a few depending on build

[flint widget]

blinding rush is the goat rush boon in most cases

[tawny arrow]

But it's never the wrong decision to get it

[surreal hazel]

Blinding Rush is probably the easiest curse to apply in the game

[flint widget]

tho there are better picks for certain aspects like breaker rush supay and nexus rush anubis

[surreal hazel]

Nexus Rush Supay

[tawny arrow]

Nexus works great on soup guy

[surreal hazel]

and Nexus Rush Tremor which I've discovered is the new GOAT for wolf howl

[flint widget]

ass for bossing but great for room clear

[regal cobalt]

breaker rush with froth is a nice one

[surreal hazel]

whuh?

[regal cobalt]

taking breaker rush and then getting wave effects to apply froth

[tawny arrow]

Talking about the froth coming outta my mouth every time i see poseidon's chiseled abs

[regal cobalt]

💀

[surreal hazel]

Breaker Rush can't apply froth

even with slippery slope

[tawny arrow]

Guys i think we need to do a hotness tierlist

Btw how DOES froth even work

[surreal hazel]

every time the victim takes damage, a 25% chance to do froth damage, with like a 0.5sec cooldown (I think)

Steam and Scorch don't proc froth

[tawny arrow]

Oh better than i thought

I just picked it to appease unc

[manic shuttle]

gales really good with froth

[surreal hazel]

I've had froth on my damage charts before, don't sleep on it

[broken spoke]

It deal some damage

[surreal hazel]

obviously works much nicer on rapid hitting builds and weapons

doesn't exactly do much for you if you're using the El Kabong Hellsplitter setup

[broken spoke]

Just treat it as a curse no need to build around it

[tawny arrow]

I just realized a hotness tierlist wouldn't even work in this game cus everybody is like strictly B or above

[surreal hazel]

Slippery Slope is a high priority boon for Posideon to offer if you have wave strike or flourish

[flint widget]

even arachne?

bro who's putting arachne in the high tiers

[tawny arrow]

Even typhon bro

Gotta looks past the many limbs

[chilly vale]

Just do literally hottest then, ie Hestia

[flint widget]

cas has a point

[regal cobalt]

i just had to go and fight zagreus and now i need to start my shiva run all over again
man i hate that guy

[tawny arrow]

Do NOT EVER slander goatreus in my presence again

He punished you for using shiva

[flint widget]

zagreus fight is basically dollar store hades fight tbh

[regal cobalt]

i need it for the prophecy

[regal cobalt]

true

but i went into it in erebus with 2 boons, of which none were atk or special

[tawny arrow]

Zag owns hades imo

[flint widget]

if zagreus had something unique like his attack cast and dash deal same effects as ur attack cast and dash that would be sick but they didn't add anything new

[tawny arrow]

Wonder what boons zag would give

[regal cobalt]

yeah and why is eh using gigaros!!

[tawny arrow]

Ares stole his whole shtick with the plasma thing

[flint widget]

tbf all of his weapons are taken away except uh the spear

[tawny arrow]

Pappy is now busy being a family man and restoring his kingdom

[regal cobalt]

yeah but wasnt gigaros imbued with titan slaying power 💀

[vernal quiver]

Thats why it hits like a truck, duh

[tawny arrow]

Zag used to collect titan blood as a hobby

[flint widget]

nem took his sword, idk who has his bow, talos has his fists, eris has his rail and idk who has his shield

[regal cobalt]

😭

[flint widget]

so it's only the spear really

[tawny arrow]

Goathena has the shield i think

[regal cobalt]

teaaaachnically none of them were his to begin with

and yea goathena has the shield

[flint widget]

if zag after every fight switched aspects ngl that would be sick

[regal cobalt]

true

there is a lot of potential in zag

i am very disappointed i havent seen thanatos except for 1 slide in the childhood cutscene

where is my boy give him back to me

[fluid oxide]

https://i.imgur.com/L0UqC5F.jpeg i might as well take the first boon

[tawny arrow]

What do you think he's the god of
I think rebirth and blood (literal blood but also, like, metaphorical. He mends familial connections and so on)

[flint widget]

whats ur aspect

[regal cobalt]

he is the god of blood if youre referring to zag

[fluid oxide]

thanatos run

[flint widget]

and what's ur build

[fluid oxide]

https://i.imgur.com/LZUJVxK.png

[tawny arrow]

Yeah but there's more to it than just "god of blood"

[flint widget]

oh it's just kings ransom then ez

[fluid oxide]

the hammers are ass

[flint widget]

spam attacks and ur good to go

[fluid oxide]

i though that too but it would be funny to take the dash

[flint widget]

his talk no jutsu more powerful than anything else in hades and hades 2

[tawny arrow]

Busy chasing mel and always missing her right before she teleports back

[regal cobalt]

😭

[flint widget]

what hammers do u got

[tawny arrow]

Exactly he literally fixed the big problems in both games by talking and being an empathetic family member
God of (metaphorical) blood indeed

[regal cobalt]

LOL

[fluid oxide]

https://i.imgur.com/CS9AxH1.png the game hates me

[flint widget]

ok yeah ass hammers

[tawny arrow]

"Yeah mel i don't really wanna kill gramps y'know"
-"HE'S THE MOST EVIL BEING EVER, YOU HAVE TO DESTROY HIM, THERE IS NO OTHER WAY!"
"Nah, i'd talk"

[flint widget]

original ending was ass ngl but new ending is great

[tawny arrow]

What og ending

[flint widget]

patch 1, the one we're playing rn, added revised ending

in 1.0 they had different ending that was so divisive in the community

[tawny arrow]

My computer broke so i could only play like a little bit of warsong and then this current version

[flint widget]

go search up the original ending of hades 2

its cheeks ngl

how mel wasn't the one to solve the conflict but zag

[broken spoke]

Idk is it divisive, most people i saw think it was ass

[flint widget]

i saw some people say it's not ass that's why i said divisive

new ending is great tho except they still didn't change prometheus problems in the story

always "will" but never does

[tawny arrow]

I see
Goatreus saves the day as usual and mel fans were malding

[flint widget]

tbf it's mels story not zags

zags story ended in hades 1

[broken spoke]

Lack of setup in original endings

It was out of nowhere

[tawny arrow]

I just think mel in general is like a good character that will never be a great one

[regal cobalt]

kind of agree

[tawny arrow]

Maybe it's the game's formula but she just never learns

[regal cobalt]

i still feel its really weird that mel decides to go back to the crossroads and not live with the family shes been fighting for all her life like?? hu

[flint widget]

tbf she still has stuff to do involving the alternative timelines and stuff

[regal cobalt]

couldve let her live at the house and then just visit the crossroads tho

[tawny arrow]

She's way more badass than zag and an awesome character in general but she just seems to never change as a person, which is annoying since change is like the main theme of both games

[regal cobalt]

true

[flint widget]

true

[regal cobalt]

also zags romance paths r much better ! but i do like fighting with mel more

[tawny arrow]

"Oh mortals have it bad? Yeah whatever."
"Oh the gods are cruel? Yeah whatever."
"Oh zag says we can spare gramps? Yeah whatever."

Less agent of change and more... vessel of status quo

[regal cobalt]

LMAO

[tawny arrow]

If she and prom had slightly riskier writing i think i'd like her more than zag

[chilly vale]

i second this yeah

and yeah she seems like, way too dedicated

[vernal quiver]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1051942150025269309/1460215994046873728/image.png?ex=69661b9e&is=6964ca1e&hm=94f54a15ef73f4828c39e7d539991782bd9f744bebebbec2b299ea439b64d040&

wish me luck, cant let this old man embarrass me for a 3rd time

[viral yew]

Easy wuns

[vernal quiver]

Timed out

Played too safe in p2

[spark crown]

weak :)

[viral yew]

Nooooo

[flint widget]

tbf she was trained to do this her entire life ofc shed be dedicated to it

[tawny arrow]

Nah still not a good excuse

[regal cobalt]

king schelememnon

thank u king for letting me whack u everytime i feel like it

[tawny arrow]

Chronos ||who was cut to pieces and left to suffer for eons, who destroyed kingdoms and awakened ancient evils just for revenge, managed to do a 180 and become a good and helpful person||

Endgame mel is just the startgame mel but with better weapons

Realized i might need to spoiler tag all of that

[tawny arrow]

The truth has been revealed at last

[bright spruce]

so how does anubis aspect work

[manic shuttle]

attacks create damage fields on the ground, specials suck foes in

[tawny arrow]

One of my favorite aspects tbh

[regal cobalt]

indeed

[spark crown]

All that hype for zag to tell him to stop lying if they reunited XD

[flint widget]

yay sub 14:30 62f recorded

[spark crown]

67f when :P

Sub 14*

[flint widget]

sub 14 67f? in my dreams

[spark crown]

XD

You got this fr

[flint widget]

foolish already got sub 15 67f he's bound to get that shi

[spark crown]

God damn

[tawny arrow]

How does that even happen

Luck?

[regal cobalt]

The way i snickered when mel referred to skelly as commander schelemeus and zag went ”Oh right COMMANDER SCHELEMEUS 🙄” 💀💀

Hoping sgg makes a third hades game solely so we can have king schelememnon tell some unsuspecting hades child that he’s EMPEROE schelememnon the undying or something

[flint widget]

uh ill send his victory screen here wait its actually insane

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1217110523091357747/1460090919763054818/20260112115933_1.jpg?ex=69664fe2&is=6964fe62&hm=5577cf4382ed53f5df2d377a63edea00a6d5e359115008a2ba36547d99713ef7&

[regal cobalt]

Charybdis being main dmg is hilarious

Traps 20

[flint widget]

tbf oceanus exists

[regal cobalt]

Oceanus worst region

Crazy doing 67f with antler i applaud u

[flint widget]

i didnt do the clear

foolish the hades 2 goat did it

[regal cobalt]

I applaud whoever that is

[chilly vale]

Dawg wtf nemesis just stole a miniboss from me

[viral yew]

It's the easiest way to do it

[opaque dew]

Is there a damage reduction (percentage/non armour) and healing build i can work on?

Something like the fire and water infusions plus strength arcana and knuckle bones

And whatever else that heals (ares at low health

[alpine raft]

tough gain i guess

[flint widget]

i was gonna say glamour gain but rapture ring exists

[opaque dew]

Ph yea theres weak damage reduction right? Could do that plus like daze on cast and then ares/whatever else

I wanna see if i can just tank at low/mid health without dying (will still dodge when i can)

[odd bolt]

Nergal for healing

Brave face?

Self healing (Apollo infusion)

Island getaway

[tawny arrow]

Say, how much time do you have on this game?

[flint widget]

like i said, this isnt my clear

[digital juniper]

omg wow how did you get such a fast clear on max fear??

[surreal hazel]

If you're going really hard on that then I suggest a strength build and going for a Warm Breeze setup

in particular, hotpot and wispy wiles for dodge chance

[flint widget]

this isn't my clear

[spark crown]

Foolish is insane ngl more than I am XD

And I mean insane insane not goated at the game insane tho that one's innate

[surreal hazel]

Foolish might not be human, but actually an amalgamation of TAS tools that have somehow gained senteince

[digital juniper]

but you’re the one who sent the screenshot

[spark crown]

Nah fr tho how do they think that fast

[flint widget]

bro ain't no way 💀

[digital juniper]

nah he said he’s bad at the game so he must be

[digital juniper]

brother read the room

[spark crown]

Peak staying humble

[flint widget]

yeah ik i was playing dumb

[unreal rose]

Old Grudge is bad right ? It only procs at p1 once ?

[spark crown]

Yeahhhh

[flint widget]

yes

on typhon it's cracked tho

[spark crown]

I think it's not that bad for surface but it's definitely not top teir

[flint widget]

almost phases him

[digital juniper]

makes him a tickle away from phasing him

[spark crown]

Old grudge knuckle bones

[digital juniper]

useless sadly, they both trigger at the same time

[spark crown]

(I'm kidding I use that on prom)

[flint widget]

typhon boutta face tickle monster

[spark crown]

Yeah I figured that out

[digital juniper]

would’ve been fun if they broke through health checkpoints but nooooo can’t have fun in this game

[unreal rose]

Last time I got old grudge for jpom, I had a cracked build and took antler and the hit landed on p1 Chronos invulnerability. Lol

At least I think it did because I did not noticed any health bar change

[digital juniper]

yea that’s extremely common because it’s very easy to get chronos to phase in the first 3 seconds of the fight

[flint widget]

ngl i should win a boonless supay surface run

im gonna become typhons worst nightmare

[digital juniper]

incoming 75 minute run

[spark crown]

60f boonless supay fr fr

[unreal rose]

Since I saw that Toula only run I think everything is possible ngl

[digital juniper]

oh yeah it’s definitely possible, just gonna be really grueling😭

[flint widget]

omegas gonna carry my run

gonna be hell to record and upload tho

[unreal rose]

How do you even get boonless ? Sell everything in Tart fountains ?

And take the onion vow

[flint widget]

change games code

[unreal rose]

ah well said like that

[flint widget]

i remember mini did 50f boonless before with changing games code to make every vow an onion

i need to ask mini how to do that

[flint widget]

video gonna take one billion years to upload

[tall notch]

I actually don't hate old grudge vs chronos because I can go away from him and clear the ads there in peace while grudge compensates for the boss damage lost

rare slow player W

[tawny arrow]

GOT KILLED MID KNIVES TELEPORTATION?????

Than aspect: do i get zeus or hera

[surreal hazel]

Hera on attack

but honestly Zeus is always good for literally everything ever

Heaven Strike will win your run somehow even if you put it on Charon

[digital juniper]

heaven strike psychic whirlwind charon🔥🔥🔥

[queen surge]

Psychic whirlwind Charon? Hmm…… I must study this.

[grim current]

How do I even use Morrigan's special other than being a rather pathetic group killer?

I guess its fast channel speed means it's good for triggering Blood Triad in a pinch...?

But it also disables special until the hatchets return.

[frank siren]

You dont lol the ospecial is useless

[surreal hazel]

You use it if somehow you get hidden knives and sinister pinion and want to be a bohemian

but also it's kinda useful for finishing off the triad since it starts a new one on the way back

[grim current]

Holy shtako. As fun as Nergal is, any other aspect is far more powerful.

I didn't even have enough time to enjoy my endgame build against Typhon; he died too quickly.

[alpine raft]

you think every aspect is better than nergal?

[spiral wadi]

nergal is actually very nutty

[tawny arrow]

Nergal falls off crazy in high fear but it can be nutty with the right conditions

[surreal hazel]

Nergal is ape-brain silly

[tawny arrow]

I mean bashing a big mace like a caveman and getting healed for it is peak gaming

[surreal hazel]

it's kinda funny to watch Melinoe as she appears in the trailers, highly skilled, precise, magic focused

[spiral wadi]

nah nergal high fear is still deceptively fun

[surreal hazel]

then Nergal is just BONK, BONKBONKBONKBONK

the animation for the attack combo slays me