h2-builds-and-combat

[umbral horizon]

I think it's so weird that plasma expire on next chamber. A short duration before expire ( like Mean Streak) would be more helpful.

[surreal hazel]

I mean I guess Universal Donor exists, but it's a bit mid

[slate trench]

experimental hammer to hell splitter is the most brutal way to ruin a great than run

[floral holly]

yo

[surreal hazel]

it's a heck of a pivot, but then if you get executioner's chop on the next hammer then it can be awesome

[tawny arrow]

Night > huntress for supay, no?

[digital juniper]

it’s like eh sure why not type of boon

[digital juniper]

both aren’t all that but probably yeah. supay has so little base power that huntress doesn’t do much for it

[tawny arrow]

Nothing else to put those points into

[surreal hazel]

supay's base power values are absolutely pathetic, and +50% doesn't do much with that

[digital juniper]

unseen is unironically good with Supay

[floral holly]

i am stuck at flour 3 can you help me guys

[tawny arrow]

Can't i just get a gain tho?

[digital juniper]

if you find the space to open up 3 other grasp

[tawny arrow]

Guess i could sacrifice artificer

[digital juniper]

yea for sure, just that it’s a viable option so that you don’t have to think about a gain

[tawny arrow]

Or boatman but i can't do that to my boy charon

[surreal hazel]

you're always after proc effects on supay, blitz, scorch, splash, hitch

raw +% isn't going to get you very far

[tawny arrow]

I'm aware

[surreal hazel]

swift runner and pray for nexus rush?

boaty mcboatface?

[tawny arrow]

Lmao

I love my boaty

Hestia special before atk on supay, right?

And i think cardio gain might actually be usable?

[digital juniper]

cardio should be very usable yes

[tawny arrow]

Guess i'm getting cardio and hoping for a special later down the line
Think supay atk is too slow for scorch

NVM GOT LUCID GAIN SACRIFICE

[umbral horizon]

Nexus Rush Cardio Gain, and Incandescent Aura is my favourite build.

[tawny arrow]

Fine i'll keep cardio gain then

[floral holly]

i am stuck at flour 3 at the dog can you help me guys . maybe weapon should i choose\

[tawny arrow]

Clean coil or whirling helix

Think i gotta get the whirl

[surreal hazel]

Hippo found that special speed increases causes supay specials to orbit faster

and orbit speed does also increase their damage tick rate

[tawny arrow]

Oh man i think i gotta get common nitro boost over epic winner's circle

Already got super nova and nitro boost will help with nexus rush

Do i do that or just lean into apollo casts

Dude i hate that shield satyr boss so much

[surreal hazel]

winner's circle is always the correct answer

you have lucid gain

[umbral horizon]

Have anyone try Godsent boon "Lance of Ares" on Selene Coat? What does " inflict Wounds with each hit from the effect" mean?

[viral yew]

Whenever skyfall hits, it can inflict wounds

[umbral horizon]

So first hit bonus +50 power and reapply after 3s?

[viral yew]

If the target doesn't alr have wounds on then yes

[umbral horizon]

That's seem not good, I misunderstand that each hit +50 power.

[viral yew]

Selene coat is very bad yes

[rain grove]

Hi everyone, can someone explain why static shock (strike emits chain lighting) doesn't work with dark side attacks even after I added the attack bonus?

[manic shuttle]

because static shock isn't a main attack boon

like heaven strike

[spark crown]

cuz darkside is bad

[rain grove]

I know but the others were worse

And I wanted some for of immunity against typhoon

[rain grove]

A pity, I think dark side is already on the weak side, it would help to have some buff

[manic shuttle]

godsent is pretty good tho

[odd bolt]

I picked darkside once of this same reason

But I did not know you can't exit out early 😞

It would legit be a little bit better if you could use to get some invul frames and then get out when you're in a safe position

[spark crown]

What was your other options it's not hard to beat Darkside

[bronze flax]

At this point, just use Wolf Howl for the invulnerability lol

[odd bolt]

Yeah but I didn't have that option

It was like, dark side, lunar ray, moon water

[bronze flax]

Moon Water has this upgrade that makes you Impervious for a sec

Now I think about it, is it there just to make it have some utility when you're using Vow of Scars?

[narrow steeple]

Great Chaos Below can go die in a fire. It keeps giving me the absolute worst combinations of everything. Even the boons... first boon.. nope.. no strike/flourish. You can get stupid boons that nobody wants.

[viral yew]

It's mostly just luck

You can always die first room and try again

[unreal rose]

I feel like unless you get one of the worst luck of all time it is generally manageable

[viral yew]

I've done 11 in a row tho, they're all possible

[bronze flax]

Or Undo Night, reroll the Oath and try it again. Not sure if the reroll is needed but it always gave me a different run that way

[viral yew]

Worst one i've had and cleared is no death strength or persistence, pain 3, scars 2, and selene coat

Every gcb trial is very possible

[narrow steeple]

then i either a) suck, or b)get the worst luck every time.

[spark crown]

v4 scars 3 :)

(idk gcb fear amount)

[unreal rose]

It's not an easy exercise. If you struggle too much and don't want to restart everytime and hope to get lucky, you can try to practice 20f regular runs. Though it will not match trial's vows, knowing how to play under more pressure with the weapon and keepsakes you want should help

[viral yew]

I would recommend 40-50f to practice for chaos trials

62 is ideal but that's 62

[narrow steeple]

I've beaten both ends unrivaled, and i have a 32 and 24 on underworld and surface respectively. but I get to pick the fear.

[spark crown]

67f training arc fr fr

[viral yew]

Yeah that's not enough to be able to clear most trials, you just gotta hope for an easy one

[unreal rose]

They aren't that hard though ? I cleared all random trials while I never played more than 16f

[narrow steeple]

literally the only trials i have left are great chaos below and above

[viral yew]

A hard chaos trial is similar in difficulty to 40f with the easiest vows

[viral yew]

Just keep trying, you'll get an easy one eventually

[unreal rose]

Maybe I was just lucky then lol

[narrow steeple]

yeah i know.. im just whining. I'm not a speed runner, and i dont really feel like running heavy fear runs.. So, its partially my own skill ceiling

[viral yew]

I mean my streak of 11 was ended by a bad Mel torches run and i've cleared 62

They're the hardest achievment to get

[rain grove]

Lunar ray against typhoon is great. Max it so that it will target it automatically and it's a free tons of damage

Better if you can gain 20/30 shield while you use it

I beat him with it the first time

[viral yew]

Lunar Ray isn't even worth it most the time

Needs to much investment and the right aspect

Hexes are an unfortunate crutch

[rain grove]

I like it against typhoon, it's terrible against chronos

[narrow steeple]

I have an unhealthy obsession with Night Bloom

[rain grove]

Which one is that?

[viral yew]

Enemy revival

[narrow steeple]

Yeah.. raises an enemy

if i get that.. im immediately looking for Hera and a way to max it.. so i get super powered permanent, hera powered minions

[fiery kraken]

If you have night bloom, do you like letting a Typhon egg hatch?

[narrow steeple]

Yes. if i have night bloom, i'll let an egg hatch so i can raise it as my minion

unless i burst the eggs down too hard.. then im kinda screwed

[viral yew]

It's nice for the chronos heal minions

[narrow steeple]

In the unrivaled fight, its pretty hilarious. I had a Yargonaut doing a LOT of the work for me one run.

[viral yew]

Works through scars

[narrow steeple]

I save a godsent use for those minions

[odd bolt]

it was 62 fear and i was forced into selene i didnt even want a hex much less focus on it

[fiery kraken]

does "increased special damage" affect scorch/splash damage?

someone mentioned that "increased cast damage" affects the amount of scorch from the cast

[viral yew]

No

[fiery kraken]

is "increased cast % damage" a special case and hits god damage in addition to base damage ?

[narrow steeple]

and of course.. immediately after i whine about Great Chaos Below... I manage to pull it off.

[viral yew]

Time for above

[narrow steeple]

..yeah i know. That one gives me heartburn 😛

[manic shuttle]

yes it applies to all damage from casts, +% special and attack however only increases base weapon damage

[fiery kraken]

good to know

are there boons that increase cast damage (not just omega cast damage) ?

I guess extended family and the global damage boosts

[tawny arrow]

Wolf howl and night bloom carry tho

[fiery kraken]

morph ball is my favorite

so cheap, so great at nullifying enemies from next region

[tawny arrow]

Doodoo water against bosses tho
Still pretty goated

[fiery kraken]

there's still the 400 damage, the adds, and godsent

[tawny arrow]

Eh not worth the investment

[fiery kraken]

good enough

[tawny arrow]

I think with proper investment night bloom is literally run carrying but overall wolf howl is like the best hex ever
50 magick and you get invincibility and teleportation, plus some area damage??? GOATED

[digital juniper]

twilight curse enters the room

[vital wave]

Wait how does the hestia duo from aphrodite and the one from demeter interacts ? Since the duration of the scorch is infinite

[tawny arrow]

Again, kinda doodoo water against bosses which are the main threat in this game

[digital juniper]

godsent does significant damage

[flint widget]

eh twilight curse never was about dmg

godsent is just cherry on top

[digital juniper]

and also makes the ads in bosses nonexistent, not to mention making all rooms significantly easier

which at high fear is A LOT of value

[flint widget]

also six are u starting 62f grind yet or nah

[fiery kraken]

If say I were to make it a goal to 62f something, what would be a good way to get there?

[digital juniper]

i got a test to prep for so not yet

[digital juniper]

what fear level are you at right now?

[fiery kraken]

I can currently clear 40f somewhat consistently with favorite aspects

[digital juniper]

i also decided i wanna get my sub 6 before pivoting to high fear again

[fiery kraken]

all in prep to doing 50 with something (mel staff? circe staff? mel skull?)

[digital juniper]

frenzy and rivals on?

[fiery kraken]

yes, frenzy 2, rivals 4

[digital juniper]

perfect, that’s a great stepping stone

you can make the jump from 40 to 50 immediately, then 50 to 55-ish, then either 60 or straight up to 62

what’s your current 40f setup?

[fiery kraken]

I haven't tried recently, but when I stopped I could consistently get to chronos at 50f but hadn't killed him, so I dropped back to "all aspects 32f frenzy 2 rivals 4" to get some practice

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzAsMCwwLDYsMCwzLDIsNSwwLDAsMiwwLDYsMCwyLDIsMTJd

[digital juniper]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzEsMCwyLDYsMCwzLDIsNSwyLDIsMiwzLDYsMCwyLDIsMTJd you can do this as a jump to 50

[fiery kraken]

yeah that was my 50f attempts

[digital juniper]

if you’d like a smaller step, this would work at 45 https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzAsMCwyLDYsMCwzLDIsNSwxLDIsMiwwLDYsMCwyLDIsMTJd

but if you’re making it to gramps and failing at him, might aswell continue the 50s until you clear

[fiery kraken]

should I put the time into figuring out save-stating or is it possible to actually get good through replays?

[digital juniper]

it’s absolutely possible to get good by doing normal runs

but savestating would accelerate your progress, especially since it’s just chronos that’s holding you back for now

[wooden saffron]

can Raki mark bosses? I looked up high fear run with Raki on youtube, skipped to Cerberus and didn't see him get marked even once

[dusky totem]

chat am I cooking : selene aspect, ares attack, grievous blow, then REMOVE the attack for a better one and get grievous from the godsend ???

[flint widget]

but godsent is limited

u are not cooking

https://tenor.com/view/what-was-he-cooking-ishigami-kaguya-sama-kaguya-maxbooncito-gif-26386746

[unreal rose]

I had a run with literally every dodge thing possible

And I still managed to lose

I don't understand under which conditions does Chronos skips the p2 OHKO

[digital juniper]

rivals or non rivals?

[unreal rose]

Playing 50f so everything but violence grit hordes

[digital juniper]

yeah on rivals he does 3 instakills as you know, once you deal enough damage he does the combobreak (he teleports and puts the time slow bubble in the middle), that stops the first instakill from doing damage

if you get him to half health he phases again and if i’m not mistaken also turns off the other instakills, assuming you get it in time

[calm pike]

Hey so when do y'all take white antler? I'm trying to clear 40 fear on all aspects (currently 24/48) and I thought I should try and take it sometimes, though right after that thought I got epic affluence + paid dues so it was a no brainer to take it, but for more normal runes when should I lean towards it or away

[flint widget]

always take it

[odd bolt]

the real answer is always but i'm too scared sometimes and then i go pin or fang

[flint widget]

if everything dies or gets phased in one or two hits ur not dying

[odd bolt]

unless youre speedruning then its always

[spiral wadi]

antler is really only necessary to play with if ur strapped for time by final region

[digital juniper]

if you’re low on timer, you take it

otherwise you don’t need to unless you made it to tart and have a horrible build and need the extra damage, granted you need the skill or a lot of defensive boons to carry you through getting hit

[spiral wadi]

feels better if u have stuff like trusty shield and/or snow queen as well as any other dmg resistance thing

[flint widget]

nah but seriously it's only needed just for speeds and ass timer

antler is great practice for learning not getting hit tho

[spiral wadi]

once u get adjusted to antler it'll massively increase ur chances of victory

[calm pike]

I guess then just bad builds are good for it since I'm doing timer 2 lol

Or a very good amount of defensive boons, since I'm running gale he's nice with it as well, I guess I'll also aim for it with cherished heirloom

[spiral wadi]

ye it usually makes bad builds still manageable by the time u get to chronos

i distinctly remember having a very ass stabbing rush centric build that did not get carried by antler

do not use stabbing rush it is bad

[odd bolt]

honestly if youre playing dds and have them all as well as armor and dodge effects, i think antler becomes quite a safe pick

[spiral wadi]

trust patch 2 will buff discordant bell rampup

[dusky totem]

uhhhhhhhhhh athena for 4 godsend per room trust trust trust

[spiral wadi]

task force is funny

[dusky totem]

I tried a stabbing rush run on Supay. It dealt much less damage than Hephaestos blasts.

[odd bolt]

I appreciate the effort on trying to make selene not suck

[spiral wadi]

i haven't had a situation where having task force is valuable cuz usually 2 is enough for bosses and 1 is enough for standard encounters

[spiral wadi]

ye it's just objectively not as good as stuff like poseidon's or zeus' which feels funny where god of war is bad at war

[dusky totem]

it's also just kinda lame mechanically. Or at least visually, but I don't see how you could make it different

[odd bolt]

Yeah but it's so funny

[dusky totem]

I guess having the blade go across the floor or something would look good

[odd bolt]

I did both stabbing rush supay and sword ring Circe

With the 2 duo boons on both

[regal cobalt]

its kinda sad ifl demeter and ares had much better boons in h1

[odd bolt]

It's funny

[spiral wadi]

stabbing rush should have had an "apply wounds" tier 2 it'd make cast and rush actually good for wounds proccing

[dusky totem]

It would be funny if I didn't need to use my dash right into the enemies, I always get a stray hit

[odd bolt]

I think Demeter is pretty good here

[dusky totem]

I like dem boons

[odd bolt]

Ares has seen better for sure... Doom was broken

[regal cobalt]

yeah i just feel like her boons arent as good as they were

[dusky totem]

idk, snow queen and arctic ring and the gales and plenty of things are really strong

[spiral wadi]

hard disagree i'll take gusts over cast laser

[odd bolt]

Me too

[dusky totem]

seeing their dem casts, I can imagine granma likes Mel more than zag

[regal cobalt]

demeters call was so goat tho calls arent even part of h2

[dusky totem]

godsent are kinda calls

[spiral wadi]

o yea dem call in h1 was great, dem call in h2 is kindaaaaa eh

[regal cobalt]

yeahh the godsents kinda suck in comparison imo

[tall notch]

dem is my granny 💯

[regal cobalt]

esp cus theyre only 1 (max 2 in a guardian) times per fight

[dusky totem]

hey we were just talking about task force !

Why did I want to say "hype squad"

[regal cobalt]

whyyy am i so bad at surface runs

ive gotten into a rhythm of being able to beat chronos everytime below but ive still only won against typhon once mostly bc i keep dying befor ei get to him

[tawny arrow]

Surface is much harder for the most part

I'd say erebus might be harder than ephyra if ur on timer but other than that surface SUCKS

[fiery kraken]

nonrivals, chonos also feels significantly easier than typhon

[regal cobalt]

typhons wardens usually do me in

[tawny arrow]

Yeah his first stage is stupid easy and he seems to have much less hp
Typhon is a dmg sponge and all his stages are hard

[tawny arrow]

Break the eggs in time and ur good

Unlike chronos you can negate his minions with enough dps

[regal cobalt]

no like the mini bosses before actual typhons fight

[tawny arrow]

Oh

Yeah spawn of typhon or whatever he's called (the rhino thing) suuuuuucks
Also kinda hate those digger twins

[regal cobalt]

if i make it past prom i usually die to the twins or the spawn yea

[tawny arrow]

Other field bosses on peak like eye or tail are not so bad

[regal cobalt]

yeah

also the sappers on mt olympus r so annoying

[south condor]

Freezer Burn - whenever you inflict Freeze on a foe with Scorch, deal damage and remove Scorch
Burining Desire - While foes are Weak, any Scorch they have does not diminish as it deals damage.

Do these have negative synergy?

[vernal quiver]

No actually

But freezer burn and Pyro technique do

What freezer burn + desire does is just the scorch wont naturally tick down as they're weak, giving uou an easier time stacking it to max before popping with freezer

Which actually lets you take Pyro technique with it too since the tick rate won't drop the number so freezer burn will still work

[void crescent]

What's a good build Medea Skull, this weapon is starting to be ahh and I've never vanquished Typhon or Chronos with it

[void crescent]

No, Burning Desire is so great - I pair it with flame strike and glamour gain, it truly never ends

as long as you're in range for glamour gain which is technically endless as you keep striking with scorch

[vernal quiver]

Hera attack zeus special, try to get born gain and possessed array

[void crescent]

Perhaps the avoidance or absence of glamour gain and picking flutter strike or whatever else makes this duo seem like negative synergy

[void crescent]

Ah, I'll try that

No ransom?

I tried a tiktoker's strat which is hestia attack and zeus speical but I don't see the purpose of hestia attack when I'm just spamming attack and using my special to explode

[odd bolt]

No you want two curses

[void crescent]

cool

[odd bolt]

Honestly it's hard to go wrong with any 2 curses on medea

What plum said is just the best build possible but like

Ares, Dem, aphro all can work

[void crescent]

So with this, I tried to swap hestia attack with Hep's attack lol

[odd bolt]

Aphro special if you get the colossus driver hammer

It's a super strong aspect

[void crescent]

aight thanks

[odd bolt]

Just don't load all 4 shells at once do one shell > special > repeat

[void crescent]

but dunno about that being a strong aspect-

ohhhh

[fiery kraken]

I'm doing circe at 50f with demeter on attack and hestia on cast (ares special, gain, demeter dash) entering 3rd biome, which keepsake would you take? I typically take hammer into 3rd but I don't think there are a lot of hammers that are particularly good right?

[odd bolt]

It is the strongest aspect in the entire game

[void crescent]

I guess that is where I've been wrong

[odd bolt]

World record sub 4 minutes uses it

Undeniably the strongest aspect

[void crescent]

Suprays? Or whatever the name

[fiery kraken]

I could break fates whim and take demeter to try to get the dem/hes duo, but that seems greedy

[odd bolt]

What is your hades boon

[fiery kraken]

I decided on chaos egg, maybe I luck into a cast

[void crescent]

don't

[fiery kraken]

hades boon was the green pots, so useless

[odd bolt]

Only reason I'm breaking fates whim r3 is for Athena or Heph

[void crescent]

oh

[fiery kraken]

I did jpom and watch

why heph?

[odd bolt]

Armor

[fiery kraken]

I had trusty shield too

[odd bolt]

Well if heph is already in the pool then it's a different story

Yeah I would go hammer probably

[grand onyx]

ive beat the entire game using just one weapon and i wanna try another. thinking of the axe with aspect of thanatos. any advice of how to use it properly?

[fiery kraken]

not worth the chaos roll?

[odd bolt]

Hammer can last until the end of the run, chaos won't

[fiery kraken]

I guess hammer hitting a dual shot is about same as a chaos hitting a cast

[odd bolt]

And for staff specially Circe theres no hammers that brick your build, at worst you get a useless hammer

[fiery kraken]

oh I thought you keep your chaos after losing egg?

[odd bolt]

You might keep I'm not sure, but it's not lasting

Its 8 encounters

Hammer is 20 you can do r3 and r4

[fiery kraken]

strange I have this memory in my mind that you keep the chaos boon too

ok, good to know

I ended up pulling it out (nearly got bricked by running out of ares boons and having to swap ares cast)

[odd bolt]

You can ignore the whole CRIT % on omega attack and just use it for the attack speed if you want

[grand onyx]

yeah that's why i wanted it xD

[odd bolt]

Just cancel the attack with special to avoid doing the slow third attack

[grand onyx]

wait don't do the big third one in the combo?

[odd bolt]

Too slow

[grand onyx]

start the animation and then the spin to cancel it?

alright simple timing to learn. what about the omegas? should i be using either of them?

oh and last question is what boons are good for it

[odd bolt]

the oattack is still really good specially if you stack the crit%

and you can get some good hammers for it like psychic whirlwind

[grand onyx]

oh god i have to learn a whole new roster of hammers now

[odd bolt]

you can get a good % on attack with a curse and then something else for origination

or just a good% in general like aphro or apollo and get 2 curses some other way

[odd bolt]

psychic whirlwind is the best one

[grand onyx]

by % you mean a curse that boosts the percentage of damage?

okay cool

[grand onyx]

that may be true but i wanna fill the prophecy for getting them all

[odd bolt]

honestly i'm sure even an on hit effeck like scorch can work on thana, but i really like apollo for the big attack area ngl

[grand onyx]

yeah i did think apollo

[regal cobalt]

i finally did it omfg

[unreal rose]

Nergal Apollo

[grand onyx]

plus i haven't leveled up his keepsake yet

[regal cobalt]

beat typhon with moros aspect !!

[grand onyx]

nice! moros is my favourite

[regal cobalt]

moros is def one of my top ones

[grand onyx]

carried helped me beat the whole game

[regal cobalt]

LOL

[grand onyx]

literally ive beaten most of the game and im only now trying other weapons because moros was so fun

[regal cobalt]

ive been struggling with my surface runs so im very happy, this is only the second time ive cleared it

[grand onyx]

the surface is definitely harder

which bit do you struggle with the most

[regal cobalt]

yeah i thought i was going crazy but ppl here said its def harder so it helps lol

[regal cobalt]

ive barely gotten past prom usually and then i struggle with the summit wardens

[grand onyx]

once i beat prom i can fly through the surface

[surreal hazel]

Apologies, you were right about this, looks like it got changed at some point

[grand onyx]

prom is 1000% the hardest thing ive done so far. now i have to do rivals him soon

[regal cobalt]

not looking forward to unrivaled prom

[grand onyx]

i don't wanna do it

[fiery kraken]

ok, got 50f circe staff (ended at 14hp after taking 3 dds into phase 3, so my chronos p3 needs some work), next is to go 55?

[grim current]

So I finally played a run with Boatman instead of Excellence. I am unsurpringly powerful.

[fiery kraken]

maybe 60?

[grim current]

Now I'm just like everybody else.

It helped I was on Fates' Whim, so I could still rarify crap.

[unreal rose]

I've heard that once you've done 50f you can jump to 62f directly to practice

[fiery kraken]

I guess I probably should save state chronos phase 3 along the way

[unreal rose]

Save state ?

[fiery kraken]

find a way to practice chronos phase 3

[digital juniper]

i’d say vibe it out, but 55 would probably make it easier

go full in on max scars and pain to practice not getting hit, or max grit and hordes to become more efficient at killing and managing your timer

[fiery kraken]

presumably by figuring out how to save the game and reload it from that point, which I've heard called save-stating

[odd bolt]

i did like

50 > 52 > 54 or 55 dont remember > 62

[unreal rose]

Didn't know that was possible

[fiery kraken]

it's not built in, but I think it's possible/ I've heard others mention it

[vernal quiver]

i just did 50 -> 55 -> 62

[fiery kraken]

I'll probably try 55 next then

[odd bolt]

yeah idk why i did 52

its pretty much same thing as 50

[grim current]

I so fiercely coveted Excellence when I thought the base chance for rare boons is 0%.

[fiery kraken]

maybe this: https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzAsMywyLDYsMywzLDIsNSwyLDIsMiwzLDYsMCwyLDIsMTJd

it doesn't really matter does it? I have to do them all eventually

[odd bolt]

yeah true

i think i did something like this as well but i kinda regret not doing scars 3

its so hard to get used to scars 3

[fiery kraken]

any suggestions circle familiar? is one significantly better than the others?

my typical familiar is frog because I like getting to cheese hecate morph ball

[odd bolt]

gale

you need the 3 blocks when doing scars 3 pain 3

[digital juniper]

circe with gale is not great because gale as right at your feet

[odd bolt]

its not good for psychic leash damage but its good for setting two casts directly on enemies

[digital juniper]

but for almost all other aspects gale is the pick

[vernal quiver]

you can also just play around the psychic leash with gale fine

[digital juniper]

your room clear’s worse now though

[vernal quiver]

like yeah its not raki brainless but you can still use it effectively

[odd bolt]

yeah thats true

[digital juniper]

i think there are arguments for both

[odd bolt]

makes r1 harder for sure

[digital juniper]

or you could go toula which is both defensive and has good offensive leash and cast placements, granted you micromanage her

[alpine raft]

id rather have 100% chance of revenants than manage toula

[thin gazelle]

I used to be a circe raki believer but with how much easier it is to control Gale’s position, I prefer him

[spiral wadi]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1051942150025269309/1459356524567593174/20260109172135-01KEJQWSJJPDHF552QHR9ENZQ5.mp4 thought i'd try using omega blocking more

[restive bolt]

it is a genuine travesty that coat omega attack doesn't block sky dracon fire moves. these guys are coming in swinging from halfway across the boat, and brother, i'm at 40 hp

[scarlet ferry]

32f surface run with Thanatos axe. First reward is Demeter. Should I take her cast or special? I know it's not super important either way, but I'm indecisive lol

[viral yew]

I would take cast but either is fjne

[scarlet ferry]

yeah

[night lagoon]

Cast, you can do better on the special

[scarlet ferry]

Oooh next god is Area. Maybe I'll get their duo lol

[late zealot]

is aspect of eos better than moros? i want to try the umbral flames again but can't decide which aspect to go

[viral yew]

Moros is stronger, eos is safer

[grim current]

Even if it were more powerful, I dislike how easy it is to accidentally perform omega attack & waste the magick.

[fiery kraken]

Should I look for percent or on hit attack/specials if I have circe

I assume origination is next priority after a dot cast

[vernal quiver]

Its pretty flexible

Generally % is the way to go though

I tend to lean ares or hera

[opaque dew]

Whats the best magick recovery boons? And which ones should i be avoiding if i want to stay always filled up

[viral yew]

Born, flood, and lucid are the best

Grisly and ionic are the worst

[opaque dew]

I asked this as someone who just tried to run ares gain boon but it really sucked to micromanage until i got the instant collect boon

[viral yew]

I don't like tranquil either but it's not horrible

[spark crown]

Tranquil is worse than ares gain

[fiery kraken]

Tough gain so bad no one mentions

[opaque dew]

Thoughts on cardio? Seems really good on torches

[spark crown]

Good on fast weapons

[vernal quiver]

*weapons that arent channeling all that much

For torches its a mixed bag depending on what youre doing

Eos loves it, moros you kinda have to not get too expensive with Oattack stuff which is kinda the whole point, supay it just doesnt work

[chilly vale]

what boons for moros

[vernal quiver]

Anything works really, best is hera special zeus attack iirc

[umbral horizon]

Only 2 boons: born gain and fine line

[zealous crag]

Does anyone know if NPC rooms show up in Chaos Trials?

[flint widget]

isn't it the opposite so that attack gets stronger

the attack scales the explosion dmg

[regal cobalt]

moros goat

[regal cobalt]

other than chaos themselves i dont think ive encountered other npcs in trials

also wanted to say i got the waking phrase from artemis yesterday thanks :)

i think thats the last of the hidden aspects

now i just need to actually unlock them for the prophecy

[flint widget]

no problem

[regal cobalt]

and idk if i said it here but i finally beat typhon a second time

with moros this time and 6 fear (for the veiled gift 😭 )

i was expecting mroe skelly statues but it was even better

[grim current]

What's the base rarity of rare boons?

The first time I ever unequipped Excellence, I vaguely recall getting a rare boon, although I don't remember if it was from Yarn of Ariadne or whatever.

I do remember that miniboss boons don't increase rarity chances by 100%.

And yeah. For once, I unequipped Excellence for Boatman.

I am unsurprisingly powerful. Now I'm just like everybody else.

Although, it was a Fates' Whim run, so I could still rarity stuff.

[regal cobalt]

i never use excellence unless i have judgement which activates it, and i still get a ton of rare & epic boons

• heras infusion boon shows up pretty often which rarifies all common boons once u have enough of the elements

[grim current]

Yeah. I figure I'd favor that one.

[regal cobalt]

• divinity is free if ure using a full set of arcana

[tawny arrow]

Yeah switching from the unseen and excellence to origination and boatman is a pretty substantial power boost if you can manage the inconvenience

And if ur using jpom a lot of boons are pretty viable even when common

[spark crown]

Uhhhh common you just kinda get them all the time

[vernal quiver]

Lmao truuue idk the actual % but its kinda regular as is

Plus excellence isnt additive iirc so its a lot less of a buff than youd think

[dusky totem]

just to be sure : Shine only affects the direct damage from o.moves, right ? Not ripple lines or controlled burn or anything ?

[flint widget]

mel skull 62f done

[willow jacinth]

does hitch transfer heph explosion damage?

[flint widget]

yes

[spark crown]

Hitch transfers all damage

[chilly vale]

WIthout fine line and with like ~250 max magick + born gain, i completely exhausted my magick before ending Typhon fight, can anything else sustain posessed array?

[spark crown]

No

Winner circle lucid gain is close but not good for it

[chilly vale]

maybe that one well of charon item? but hermes shrines replace them don't they

[spark crown]

Yup and Hermes shines don't have conumables

[chilly vale]

eh whatever not like anything before typhon finishes that much magick

[viral yew]

Nothing can for long periods of time

[spark crown]

But that Charon item would only keep you full for like 2-3 cycles

[viral yew]

Even typhon dies in about 40 seconds

[chilly vale]

yeah i think i was going through 250 magick in about 1.5 seconds

[spark crown]

How t-t

[viral yew]

P.array

[spark crown]

Surly it dosnt use that much

[chilly vale]

25 magick per, afaik?

okay maybe 1.5s is an exaggeration, but you can do quite alot against typhon since i dont have to move back and forth

maybe mouse and kb is better for medea

[spark crown]

I mean if you really build into grisly gain it can keep you mostly sustained

GAHD DAMN

Also you just wanted to flex

[chilly vale]

Looks about right yeah, since their fat ass cancels the dash animatino ro something liek taht

[spark crown]

No dyno T-T gotta be racist against us Aussies

[viral yew]

oops just remembered it had spoilers

[viral yew]

I'm always flexing

[spark crown]

We are in build chat?

[viral yew]

ok but i didn't want to spoil it for cas

[spark crown]

Ahhhh

Tbf idk if anyone noticed XD

The clip is like 2seconds long

[chilly vale]

what's the issue

[spark crown]

Lúthien's clip had spoilers for you so they deleted it

[chilly vale]

isnt that a miniboss b4 typhon?

also does anyone have a heat guide

[upbeat matrix]

https://www.leereamsnyder.com/hades-2-build-guide#weird-hades-2-stuff-faq

this has everything, and at the end he gives a basic breakdon of the heat options

[viral yew]

no it shows the true typhon ending

[viral yew]

had the tyhpon fight too

[chilly vale]

oh no dw already fought him 😭

[spark crown]

Ohhhh

[spark crown]

It showed the true ending

[chilly vale]

Ahhh no i didnt watch the gif that far either

[viral yew]

good

[willow jacinth]

Scorch?

[spark crown]

Pretty sure

[vernal quiver]

Yuh ik since hitch attack scorch cast hestia is super common

Any and all damage gets transfered through hitch thats the whole point

[tawny arrow]

Double boon or hammer

[flint widget]

what aspect are u running

[tawny arrow]

Than

In erebus midshop so hammer will prob come back but still

[flint widget]

double boon is more valuable

[tawny arrow]

Thought so

[tawny arrow]

Do i potentially ruin my build just so i can have 4 hammers in my run

[vernal quiver]

Just don't take the damage(im like half serious)

[tall notch]

it's a very high damage aspect, but it is also one of the least safe

[vernal quiver]

Its a very high skill ceiling weapon, your own awareness, reactions, and mechanical skill is everything for it

[tawny arrow]

Had like a 100% crit chance, +310 power, +300% damage, double chop axe build and STILL whiffed chronos cus he 1 tapped me on antler
I am deeply ashamed of myself

[frank siren]

No armor or lovers?

[turbid crescent]

why is rivals eris lowkey easier than regular eris

[tawny arrow]

We rawdoggin it

[tawny arrow]

Now do it on frenzy 2

[turbid crescent]

pretty sure I always play max frenzy

I'll have to check if I had it on this time tho

might've turne it off

[scarlet ferry]

She barely feels any different to me on frenzy0 vs frenzy2

[spiral current]

Yo some help please. I completed HADES 1 back then but am struggling with getting into part 2 now. I have twenty attempts in and didn't beat root stalker so far. The dialogue in the hub already started to repeat or exhaust so I'm clearly expected to longby have done it. I'm using ghost onion, her staff and the first card. Using her circle and the missiles not too much but more with every attempt. Don't really like her gameplay so far.

[odd bolt]

What difficulty are you having with root stalker? It's just a mini boss

[viral yew]

Make sure you keep unlocking and activating arcana, use sprint, and keep using cast

[tropic hazel]

I would say it's typical becauise I went throught the same thing. For me staff is the strongest weapon, you jest need to learn to use it propetly (Dash strike + special). Also use cast a lot and you'll get used to it

Also melinoe is more aboput strike in the right moment than BASH IT WITH ME HEAAD UNTILL I'M OR IT'S DEAD Zagreus style.

[spiral current]

Thanks!

[fiery kraken]

What's the hitbox for the chronos p2 and p3 large scythe. I can't seem to dash through or stand between the lines

[scarlet ferry]

When it's shooting the thorns run around in a circle. Once it stops, instantly start whaling on it. It doesn't have much armor, and when it breaks you can stun lock it.

Remember to always used your cast

[narrow steeple]

Ptentially obvious question: Different sources of Dodge all add their % together, correct? I have wispy wiles at 14% and hasty Retreat at 7.5%, so that's a total of 21.5% dodge?

[sand raven]

What type of gun would you call build focused on a maxed out mel staff with a heroic flutter flourish that mostly just spams specials

[tropic hazel]

damm. 1 minute more and I could've got Typhoon on Rival 4 (Fear 36)

[sand raven]

Also is there any special boon that gives you more damage the farther away you are?

[digital juniper]

thats basically the strongest way to play mel staff

[sand raven]

I know, I was originally gonna call it the sniper build but then I realized that snipers are better from far away, and flutter strike gets the bonus upfront

[digital juniper]

there’s no such boon, the closest thing you have is the looming ignition hammer on skulls

[sand raven]

god dammit

one of my friends told me to name it the "Blunderbuss Build"

[narrow steeple]

Theres one on the staff that imcreases attack by 100% to "farther away" enemies. it also increases range

its a hammer

[sand raven]

I have dual moonshot now

[tawny arrow]

Blunderbuss build is the skull hammer that makes you shoot em all at the same time and ares atk

[sand raven]

So I am on the first area of the underground

and I have thanatos scythe

I have Ice Strike (Which honestly doesn't do much to the absolute monstrocity I accidently created)

I then got an Epic Nimble Limbs

and then Rapid Hack

[tawny arrow]

What the Hel are you doing with ice hack on that damn thing

You got a fully automatic weed wacker here you gotta give it the proper grease

[sand raven]

I didn't know this was gonna be the build

The Original Idea was gonna be an Ice Lightning build

I didn't know I would make a lawn mower

my friend just said "What if it was Faster"

I wish I could trade Demeter for Aphrodite

the damage would be INSANE

[tawny arrow]

Could try to undo night and go again

Said ur only in erebus

Worst case scenario if the rng doesn't work out you just do it all the same way again and stick with the ice attack

But i mean with your attack speed you could prob stick a poseidon attack on it and still make it viable lol

[sand raven]

I love how Poseidon is just the worst god in both games

god I wish Nimble Limbs could be upgraded

When the Build is so broken that you can get away with bringing a chaos boon into the Guardians

[sand raven]

This was a boon that made me take more damage btw

I am dubbing this build "The Farmer of the Winter"

[grim current]

Why does splash have a 0.15s cooldown despite it dealing less DMG than Scorch?

[digital juniper]

oh yeah, i forgot about Extending Wallop

[sand raven]

Like hell if I know

[tawny arrow]

How dare you

Unc poseidon is the GOAT

[sand raven]

Ok if they take damage if they get slammed into the wall by the waves I will retract my statement

[sand raven]

I love his character, I meant the boons

[grim current]

At least Poseidon's is the best of the DMG-oriented Rush boons.

[tawny arrow]

Who doesn't want a boon that gives you a gyros and some bones

[sand raven]

how about just being able to cast fireball whenever you want with decent damage

[grim current]

I wish Hestia's Rush boon granted "+3s grace period from fire hazards" instead of "maximum of 1 DMG received from fire hazards".

[tawny arrow]

Can do that with a waterball instead with goatseidon

[sand raven]

ok fair enough I can't argue with that

when do I unlock athena I want divine dash backkkk

[tawny arrow]

It's instant damage, can crit, pushes, hits multiple enemies, and can also apply froth

[sand raven]

Heres the thing, "I cast WATERBALL" just doesn't have the same ring as "I cast FIREBALL"

[tawny arrow]

Goatseidon slander will simply not be tolerated on these grounds

[grim current]

I suppose, but it means the rapid fire moves from the Sister Blades & Morrigan only apply splash 2-3 times at best.

[tawny arrow]

Yeah i'm not a fan of that either

But i guess they just had to nerf unc cus he would be TOO strong otherwise

Love him so much

[grim current]

What's UNC?

[tawny arrow]

Btw idk if you guys remember but his rush was even better pre release
It would do constant dmg and push everything around you

[tawny arrow]

Uncle

"HAHA, NIECE!" ---> instant dopamine hit

[grim current]

Let it be known I constantly equip Vivid Sea.

Vivid Sea & Adamant Shard are my favorites.

[sand raven]

are there hidden aspects in this game?

[night lagoon]

Yes

[sand raven]

Do you need to know a Word like the original game

||Cause like, my friend told me to bring Thanatos's Scythe into Chronos and I am starting to think this is the reason why||

[tawny arrow]

[grim current]

I don't figure the player needs to bring specific aspects to certain characters to active the hidden aspects so much as just maini g Grave Thirst to eventually unlock them all.

[sand raven]

alr

I have Old Grudge and Knucklebones rn

I've killed Chronos before

but this one will be the most painful for him

[night lagoon]

Yes, but it's a lot less random who gives what in this game

[night lagoon]

Nah, that's just for a unique intro dialogue

[grim current]

In Hades 1, hidden aspects are unlocked from also unlocking enough regular aspects... I think.

I dunno. I main Grave Thirst, so I didn't have trouble unlocking all 6 hidden aspects.

[sand raven]

No, you are told about the Hidden aspects by uhhhh, Achilles I think, and then you just need to cycle through dialogue of certain people and you unlock them

[night lagoon]

In the first game, it was that you needed to spend 5 Blood on the weapon (except for the Spear, which only needed 5 on any weapon)

[sand raven]

oh ok

I had spent 5 blood on every weapon before I unlocked any hidden aspects so I didn't know

yes I beat the game like 13 times before I unlocked any hidden aspects

[night lagoon]

Anyways, for this game, the dialogue flags are unlocked by 1) ||unlocking all 3 base aspects||, and 2) ||maxing out one of the aspects that requires Nightmare for upgrades||

You don't need the weapon equipped to get the phrase

[grim current]

Huh. Those are some pretty heavy conditions.

[sand raven]

alright

[night lagoon]

And that's not considering how some of the weapons' NPCs you need to roll the right lines with are asinine to find

[sand raven]

Ok

I am running another run with the thanatos scythe

and I just got a hermes or hammer

there is a really good chance I can get the lawnmower again, but with Aphrodite

I acciently chose hammer, I meant to get nimble limbs first cause hermes can be rerolled, therefore easier to get the boon I want

I didn't get Rapid Hack :(

[verbal island]

Arachne’s trinket is unbelievably good.. 124 armor and counting

[sand quail]

Does frosty veneer -10 damage reduction apply after or before strength -40%?

[sand raven]

I recreated the Farmer of the Winter Build

but instead, with Aphrodite

[vernal quiver]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/912456622440325213/1459709433306288129/image.png?ex=696443d8&is=6962f258&hm=c8a5516ff9b2af867609a342c42e9b7ac86e38ae3f47c03267c7488b30e9abb5&
this run did not deserve to get this far

no orig, dogass cast

had to take fig r2 so i wasnt behind on timer

[chilly vale]

Dudes in hades 1 tartarus

[viral yew]

He's not in this ss, but there is mod where you can play through hades 1 as mel

[chilly vale]

I mean that their maxhp is what youd have at the start of the game ie tartarus in hades 1

[vernal quiver]

H1 base was 50 actually

[viral yew]

They're using antler

[vernal quiver]

Also chronos is a bum how did he let me win that

[chilly vale]

Damn, that won?

[vernal quiver]

yeah check #h2-victory-boasting

[narrow steeple]

what does "faster" mean? If it says omega moves are faster... is that channel time or execution?

[viral yew]

Channel time

Things like sorceress and metallic droplet decrease the channel time of all omegas

[narrow steeple]

so if it just says 'attack special and cast' are faster.. thats execution, tho?

[viral yew]

If omegas aren't mentioned in Hermes boons, then the attack animations are faster

[narrow steeple]

animations. Perfect.. thats what i was looking for

[bitter wren]

@spark crown lazr 60fear run when

[spark crown]

idk when are you doing it

[bitter wren]

idk when am i

[spark crown]

mighty build chat does lucid gain proc all times on momus

[bronze flax]

It does, yes

[spark crown]

W

deathless rivals poly 60f 🔥

im back in the flow 1:30 left

never punished by phial (rolled heroic nova strike on final slice moriigan build)

ERIS DOWN

1:30 left

dead to talos

[vernal quiver]

Talos 😭 how bro

Id get like anywhere else in olympus but not talos

[spark crown]

0dd and lots of fire T_T

[urban bolt]

guys how important is it to get high rarity boons? like do i always take what is highest or what would be better

[vernal quiver]

Not very, rarity isn't important

[scarlet ferry]

What's the most amount of guaranteed blocks you can have at once? You can have 4 from Lovers, 3 from Gale, 1 from Demeter, and 1 from that well of Charon item. Any I'm forgetting?

[urban bolt]

👍

[vernal quiver]

Generally, assuming post credits, jpom invalidates a lot of that mattering, i.e. lvl4 common blitz attack is the same as epic lvl1

But even then pick for the build more than the pretty colors

[hushed moat]

any good builds for aspect of supay?

[vernal quiver]

uhhhhh

uhhhhhhhhhh, get a good rush boon, and its on hit effects iirc

lowkey just switch weapons

[hushed moat]

got fated list grind

[urban bolt]

Jpom?

[tacit silo]

is the bonus damage from medea's keepsake additive for each 250 damage taken or is it just true/false?

[vernal quiver]

jeweled pom, its a post credits keepsake and its the strongest one in the game

[vernal quiver]

just true/false

its pretty buns when stuff like lions fang exists which does its job but better

[urban bolt]

where can i find it

[vernal quiver]

hades gives it, gift him a nectar after hitting credits and theyll give it to you

[urban bolt]

how do i get back to the house of hades? i already went back to the underworld once now

[vernal quiver]

its not back at the house, just in the npc runin you can get in tartarus

[urban bolt]

ohhh you can still get that

ty

[urban bolt]

yo i just got the pom. can i just not take other keepsakes? and what is the fates whim?

[viral yew]

Fates whim means you cannot have rerolls turned on, and cannot use Olympian keepsakes (except for dio)

Each of the fates whim keepsakes persists for the whole run, so you equip jewelled pom at the start and it will last the whole run

[spiral wadi]

dio and artemis r safe

[urban bolt]

ok. but what arcana should i use then?

[vernal quiver]

just dont use rerolls

[spiral wadi]

i find u just throw the extra arcana on things like artificier, huntress, messenger, whatever else really

if u really want queen active then u have to run death and strength together

tbh it's not really a big deal so i rather keep either death or strength, then put the remaining non-reroll arcana on whatever else i feel like

artificer is prob the biggest one cuz it compensates a ton for no reroll

[rare grove]

Hestia attack, blitz special, I like hera dash but don’t hyperfocus on dash it’s not gonna win the game for ya even with the boost

[opaque dew]

How are people playing anubis? I was reading on the playstyle being omega heavy but i literally just played around the insane aoe on dash strike and using special for cc

[viral yew]

I either play around with dash charging oattack, or going all in on ospecial

[spark crown]

Guys @bitter wren thinks ionic gain is S teir

[bitter wren]

never claimed this

[spark crown]

He also traced a Dio pic but that's off topic

[bitter wren]

i said it was peak to ragebait metal

[spark crown]

Boon teirlist when

[bitter wren]

😭

[spark crown]

@bitter wren I'm sending you a boon teirlist to do

[bitter wren]

bet

[spark crown]

https://tiermaker.com/create/hades-ii---all-boons---upgrades-unseen-update-16166865

Order it in ranks aswell

https://imgur.com/8TwBApk keepsake tierlist

[vernal quiver]

eww what

why is chrolex so low

and wantler in B is dubious

[spark crown]

i like my small finds

[vernal quiver]

5 hp or 200$ ig is a hard choice for you

[spark crown]

mhm

[grim current]

I never found great use with Ghost Onion when Aromantic Phial usually does the trick.

[spark crown]

T_T

[vernal quiver]

gonion is a scars3 kinda pick, zero reason to take it elsewhere

and phial is just gambling

[spark crown]

onion is far stronger than phial for health

[upbeat matrix]

does aim assist on keyboard mouse help with aiming in hades2? im struggling to hit dagger specials on enemies consistently

[viral yew]

I have mixed feelings

[alpine raft]

seems perfect for metal

[tawny arrow]

Tier list? Gold!

[spark crown]

MY TEIRLIST

[alpine raft]

explain gold purse

[tawny arrow]

Too op to even explain

[spark crown]

I like it

Was a starter one for me so it's close to my heart

Then I got chaos egg

Then I got jpom

[quaint dune]

WHY is Athena at c tier

[viral yew]

Metal is metal

[quaint dune]

Jpom is valid though

Changed my view on the meaning of life

A pomegranate

[upbeat matrix]

Time piece C is wild

Selene isn't an olympian, should be S tier (S for selene) @spark crown

[viral yew]

Selene needs to go in F

[upbeat matrix]

No no a good hex getting upgraded fully can insta win the run

A tier list should be based on the most op powerspikes not metrics like consistency /s

[spark crown]

jpom

[spark crown]

-_- take more wild than mine

[viral yew]

Real

[upbeat matrix]

Like hex keepsake is not great obv but it's not bottom of barrel either, some hexes are really strong

[viral yew]

I very much think they're almost never worth investing in

[vernal quiver]

Woes of void4 no mana weapon be upon ye

Shes good for 500$ and thats it

[spark crown]

I only take hex keepsake on selene coat and even then i just take ares keepsake

[upbeat matrix]

I mean eos/circe darkside fully upgraded is very strong

Or wolf howl with the armor node

[spark crown]

BOOOOOOOO DARKSIDE

first lesson as your coach darkside = dogwater

[upbeat matrix]

Yeah but a ridiculously hard challenge that only a handful people can do is not a metric for how other people can play the game

[upbeat matrix]

Eos darkside is legitimately really good

[vernal quiver]

Ik i kid 🥀

Shes still just kinda mediocre i feel

[spark crown]

eos staying eos is really good

[vernal quiver]

I love wolf howl tho that one is cool and awesome

[spark crown]

twighlight curse and the resing one

Holy stroke

[upbeat matrix]

I will concede it's very situational maybe, but not really mediocre

[viral yew]

Wolf howl are only good because of the utility

Otherwise she's just buns and never worth taking

[digital juniper]

guy named twilight curse:

[viral yew]

Meant to put that in there

[manic shuttle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1438829189385031692/1459844610343043155/Hades_2_keepsakes.png?ex=6964c1bd&is=6963703d&hm=5e1bc24670336a5c17868e7a3d0f500dfa0111e05a6f636f612508bc115cae16&

this is the only correct keepsakes tier list :p

[digital juniper]

that’s pretty fair, i’d only knock down silver wheel a rank and blackened fleece up a rank

actually nvm coin purse deserves to be in F LMAO

[manic shuttle]

coin purse may be useful when you don't have chrolex and doesn't brick your build like concave stone so I didn't put in f

[viral yew]

https://imgur.com/a/HGaSgVm

[manic shuttle]

I tend to use wheel a lot actually , it lets me use static shock or born gain, so it should be at least B tier

[viral yew]

The tiers themselves are not in order

[viral yew]

I've never needed silver wheel once

[manic shuttle]

blackened fleece is D because lion fang is better all the time?

[manic shuttle]

card in D 😭

[viral yew]

Fang, droplet, antler, pin, bones even

[viral yew]

It's mid asf and you can't convince me otherwise

[manic shuttle]

heroic nitro boost, hasty retreat, nimble limbs, volcanic strike,...

[bright spruce]

i found some tech with morrigan aspect

[unreal rose]

It can be extremely good if you know what's left in your pool that benefits a lot from it

[viral yew]

Don't even mention heph, you'd need cast first region, i've taken all my Hermes boons by region 3 90% of runs

[viral yew]

Rarity is incredibly overrated outside of a few boons and heph

To the point that even then it's not worth a keepsake

[bright spruce]

you can outrun omega specials so you could sometimes give everyone a piece and then use normal special for a map wide blood triad

[digital juniper]

eh for something like charon or nergal, if you meet the damage requirement it’s really damn good

[vernal quiver]

im convinced zeus is a sgg psyop and doesnt actually exist in the game

[unreal rose]

I mean if it's not on Heph / Hermes it's just +6 lvl to redistribute where you want at the end

[viral yew]

Which is made much less impacful by the fact jpom exists

[vernal quiver]

put some respect on my goat e.hammers name 😔

[viral yew]

This was found about 20 minutes after the warsong patch dropped

[viral yew]

I just don't like this one, but it's fine region 3

[unreal rose]

Combining both can't be bad

[bright spruce]

yeah but i’m kinda trying to make said trick useful

[viral yew]

It's not 99% of the time

[viral yew]

It's not bad, just not very good and there are other keepsakes I would take in just about any scenario

[unreal rose]

I get that, anyone should just take what they're comfortable with anyway

Even with keepsakes which are objectively bad you can still do something good with them (eg DirtMonster doing 67f with bell lol)

[tall notch]

Idk about surface but Oceanus exp hammer lasts for the rest of the run. Genuinely very good for hammer reliant aspects. Sometimes I'm clicking that over Chrolex as gold won't buy me an extra hammer

[lone quartz]

Guys what are the requirements for supay and hel??

[viral yew]

Same as the others

[lone quartz]

No like who must i speak to

I think moros for supay but idk who for hel

[viral yew]

Medea, it's always an npc that has an aspect in the weapon

[lone quartz]

Then for the coat aspect is it selene or nyx?

[digital juniper]

selene yes

[viral yew]

Selene

[chilly vale]

boons for Charon axe?

[digital juniper]

ideally apollo or hera special, poseidon or apollo cast, lucid, born, or flood gain

then you really want geyser spout from poseidon, all other omega cast boons are very good too

[umbral horizon]

Super nova

[umbral horizon]

Anyone know how heavy metal work? Add power to weapon like slow cooker?

[regal cobalt]

is that the one where u deal more damage based on how much armoru have

[flint widget]

yeah

[regal cobalt]

that seems quite self explanatory to me

[umbral horizon]

Is it flat damage? Or scale with bonus percentage?

[regal cobalt]

its percentage iirc

[vernal quiver]

Yeah 20% of total armor goes to your weapon(so attacks and specials)

[prime trench]

what's the best Rush boon for Supay??

[prime trench]

idk ask Ozzy Osbourne

[vernal quiver]

i think its technically posiedon but takes some pretty solid mantinence

[surreal hazel]

Nexus Rush, surely

[surreal hazel]

It's flat damage added after all other calculations

[prime trench]

every time i pick up Hera's rush it just melts the entire run somehow

[surreal hazel]

so if you have 100 armour, heavy metal will add 20 damage to any weapon strike after all other modifiers

[prime trench]

the purple one deals 120 dmg the second you touch an enemy

[surreal hazel]

In a case of me wanting to answer questions no-one asked. Here is the list of how each Rush boon interacts with Tremor on Wolf Howl:

• Zeus: Lightning strike on each enemy damaged by each blast
• Hera: Nexus rush on each enemy damaged by each blast, ignores if they're already hitched
• Apollo: Dazes each enemy damaged by each blast
• Demeter: Spawns a gust centered on each blast, but each new one spawned by the hex replaces the older one (It doesn't care about arctic gale or frish rush gusts)
• Hephaestus: Spawns a Smithy Rush blast centered on each blast, does not interact with the cooldown on Smithy Rush itself.
• Ares: Spawns a sword over each enemy damaged by each blast
• Hestia: Spawns a coal pool under each enemy damaged by each blast
• Aphrodite: Spawns a rush pulse on each enemy damaged by each blast, not sure if this stacks AoE or not.
• Poseidon: inflicts breaker rush on each enemy damaged by each blast, not sure if this stacks AoE or not or knocks back because Skelly doesn't like to move.

Each "blast" refers to each explosion caused by wolf howl. Duality and Brutality therefore stack multiplicatively with tremor, potentially allowing the above effects to occur 4 times per full Hex. The term "Nearby" in the description in tremor doesn't mean anything, the effects either proc on the damage it causes or are centered on the blast itself.

[flint widget]

wait so wolf howl ignores smithy cooldown?

[tall notch]

maybe this interaction is what they had in mind when giving heph the godsent howl

the two are meant to go together

[flint widget]

maybe thisll make me change my mind about wolf howl

[surreal hazel]

Always did, and its cost back when it had that

Don't sleep on nexus rush either, that's actually disgusting with Tremor

and Duality causes it to double up, since the explosion at the start also procs all of Tremor as well as the landing

[regal cobalt]

i onyl recently realised how awesome hitch actually is

[surreal hazel]

Hitch is amazing

[regal cobalt]

it really is

and works with every build

[surreal hazel]

Hitch likes AoE weapons, naturally

[tall notch]

I really grew to appreciate hitch once I started playing at hordes 3 levels of fear

[regal cobalt]

youch but true

[surreal hazel]

torch specials, axe attack, dagger special

[tall notch]

funnily enough it also likes single target weapons because it can compensate for their lacking aoe

[regal cobalt]

hordes is so bad on surface espp

[regal cobalt]

exactly!

it works with everything

[surreal hazel]

it's a reasonably big +%

Hera is just good

[tall notch]

Hera keepsake was one of my most used keepsakes in the days before jpom

[surreal hazel]

her support boons are great

[regal cobalt]

her infusion boon is CHEFS KISS

[surreal hazel]

her duos are probably where she's the most lacking as she has a few duds

[tall notch]

duos aren't real in high fear anyway

[surreal hazel]

Honestly it's more dopamine than useful, the only time it really shines is getting uncommon grace to proc

[regal cobalt]

zeus & heras duo boons for each other r so bad

[surreal hazel]

Heheh... heheh... No

[regal cobalt]

fair enough

[surreal hazel]

when they pop off, they go nuts

[digital juniper]

which honestly i don’t mind because she’s already a top 2 god as is

[surreal hazel]

sure, there's definitely bad times to use them

[regal cobalt]

yeah but at the time they appear ive usually committed to the boons i have and its really annoying

only used kings & queens ransom once each for the prophecy 🥀

[surreal hazel]

but when you have heaven strike and double strike sudden gain 16 levels and start doing 2k damage per blitz, well, you don't need hitch any more

and hera has Bridal Glow, which is a free sacrifice

[regal cobalt]

true but i usually have born gain at that point and i dont want to give that up

[surreal hazel]

born gain and hereditary bane at silly levels also is hilarious

[regal cobalt]

true

oh nvm i havent used kings ransom even once.

[surreal hazel]

herditary bane is a fixed +10% damage per level, so you can easily get to the point where hitch is doing double the amount of damage that's proccing hitch in the first place

[regal cobalt]

just checked my prophecy

[digital juniper]

i remember when i was setting up the nastiest king’s ransom ever with zeus special and cast, alongside double strike

got like 7 hera boons throughout the run…only to never be offered zeus again

[surreal hazel]

Born Gain at high levels is like, 4 primed mana

essentially infinite

[regal cobalt]

exactly

[surreal hazel]

this is why you want queen's ransom

[regal cobalt]

but giving up born gain if u dont have other compensating boons like ares plasma?

kings ransom sucks...

[surreal hazel]

well, you need to be giving up a slow in the bottom 3 cores since those are the pre-req for getting ransom

[regal cobalt]

yeahh

[surreal hazel]

So if you're only running heaven strike and sworn flourish, neither ransom will appear (and actually these two curses play very nicely together)

[regal cobalt]

i might need to do a run just for the sake of the prophecy on that one cus i usually get offered kings ransom in a spot where i def dont want it

[surreal hazel]

hitch will transmit overkill damage just fine

and blitz tends to overkill a lot

[regal cobalt]

i also still havent gotten poseidon or demeters legendaries at all yet

how is this even possible im on like 120 nights atp

[surreal hazel]

read the book for prereqs

poseidon's legendary is a bit fussy

[regal cobalt]

i have them tracked too and still i just manage to not get them

[surreal hazel]

Demeter's is a bit

well.... I hate to say it, but equip Excellence

[regal cobalt]

help

[surreal hazel]

that increases legendary chances

[regal cobalt]

yeah

but 5 arcana ....

[digital juniper]

by a whopping 5%!!

[regal cobalt]

its 50

[surreal hazel]

oh my sweet summer child

it's not even that

it multiplies the base chance by 1.6x, the base chance is 5%

[surreal hazel]

That's just the Rare bonus chance

[regal cobalt]

oh yea its the change to include even legendary 💀

such a useless card

[surreal hazel]

wait no, hang on

[regal cobalt]

any arcana setup reqs for medea? i havent used medea at all before i was thinking of attempting a 0 fear surface run with it

[digital juniper]

idk why for the longest time i thought it was 10->15%

[surreal hazel]

it's a 1.3x chance at base rarity for the arcana

[digital juniper]

your usual setup works fine. get huntress on, you don’t need night or eternity for it

[surreal hazel]

so uhh, 1.5x chance

[regal cobalt]

thanks

[surreal hazel]

on a base of 5%, so it's 7.5% chance of seeing a legendary for each of the three boon slots

so 7.5% is actually a lot better than it sounds

[regal cobalt]

ohh i see

[surreal hazel]

since you're rolling it three times

[regal cobalt]

yea

any reqs for boon build for medea?

[surreal hazel]

Also chaos' Favour boons also add a fixed 10% chance, regardless of the rarity of that boon

[digital juniper]

zeus special is best, % attack

ares or hera are your best attack boons

[regal cobalt]

okk thanks

[jagged latch]

yo kinda new to hades 2 the farthest ive gotten is like halfway through the 3rd boss fight but Ive had trouble finding fun and good builds to beat the game with any recomendations

[regal cobalt]

what weapon do u use mainly

[jagged latch]

i think torches i dont have every weapon/keepsake unlocked

but I like the other weapons I have which go up to the axe

[regal cobalt]

have u unlocked any of the aspects?

[jagged latch]

no

[regal cobalt]

i see ok

[rare grove]

https://www.leereamsnyder.com/hades-2-build-guide

[regal cobalt]

for me i found the axe the easiest to use in the beginning but its slow

[rare grove]

also you’ll get stronger every run it just takes a while

major spoilers in that guide

[regal cobalt]

yeah i also recommend staying out of this chat if u want to avoid spoilers

[jagged latch]

ill ask in new players than thanks anyways

[regal cobalt]

np :)

i just got enough of vlenses to do the disintegration incantantion but im lowk nervous to start the end of the story LOL

[viral yew]

Do it, it's fun

[regal cobalt]

i think ill eat dinner and then get to it

im excited for post credits too cus i want this jpom everyone is talking about

[viral yew]

It may take you a few runs afterwards

[copper stag]

What’s a good build for Eos? First time using it, I saw someone say to just spam special?

[viral yew]

Eos can work with alot of builds, I like apollo attack, and blitz special, play it by using oattack, and then ospecial

[flint widget]

hera attack zeus special hestia cast apollo sprint

this is probably the only aspect in which unseen is actually good so turn it on

[regal cobalt]

yesh

[digital juniper]

wouldn’t you want hera special instead? ospecial now clears the entire room and the next one with hitch

daybreaker pulse applies blitz

[flint widget]

blitz specials allows blitz to proc more

plus eos is already really good at clearing rooms

and % attack scales daybreaker dmg i think

[digital juniper]

fair enough

[uncut hull]

hello, Trying to learn the game better.

Lets say there is a boom im wanting but it arrives in normal rarity, is it generally better to get a different boon that still could be useful but isnt my favorite and wait for a higher rarity appearance or to get the weaker version when I can?

[queen surge]

The only difference between rarities is the numbers, and you might not see that god/boon again.

[flint widget]

just get it it doesn't matter

[queen surge]

So I’d say take the common

[flint widget]

rarity rarely matters in this game unless it's heph blasts

even more so when u get to post credits

youll understand why when u get there

[uncut hull]

Thanks for the tips 🙂 Im pretty bad but still enjoy playing

Is there a general consenus around if its best to focus on going back to the same god a bunch vs having a wider variety?

[odd bolt]

Depends on the weapon and what you're trying to do

Some gods require heavier investment, ares plasma stuff and heph blasts for example

[flint widget]

if ur trying to improve a lot having a wider variety is good

[odd bolt]

Man cerb is like usually so easy and then suddenly he decides he wants to ruin your day and do the nastiest pattern ever

[flint widget]

play anubis and he just gets stuck in a timeout corner lmao it's so damn funny

[regal cobalt]

oop just beat typhon with gigaros

time for some story action i hope

im also very intrigued what explanation there will be for post credits runs if mel turly vanquished typhon with gigaros "for good" as she claims

[regal cobalt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1285313130343305246/1459981534521065634/image.png?ex=69654142&is=6963efc2&hm=6011bc61ed4b3566bb28fb03f6cb2d43e51e6502f71a5bef197010e35e0b6001&
this looks so funny

[tawny arrow]

How

[regal cobalt]

its one of the duo boons that increases a keepsakes lvl

cherished heirloom

[opaque dew]

i thought it maxed at 3 even if you had the boon rip

[regal cobalt]

oh no it lvls up to 4 if the keepsake allows

none of the god keepsakes go past 3 (cus u cant rarify a heroic boon obv)

[wooden saffron]

I see good players consider Antler one of the best keepsakes, is it any good for non-speedrun though? Like I don't see how does it actually help you win, yes it's the biggest dps increase but it also increases enemy damage the most so if you are able to win with it you would be able to win without any keepsake even easier.

[regal cobalt]

it depends on ur own skill tbh, a lot of enemies can one-shot u at 30hp

i rarely use it bc i take stray hits a lot

[vital wave]

Okay this is very awkward to ask with 60h of gameplay in the game, but I just wanted to make sure I understood how scorch works : what it does is it scores an amount of scorch damage, then this damages applies to the foe with a speed of 100 damage per second ?

In my language it's a bit ambiguous if the 100 damage cap is also the max storeable, but I'm quite sure it isn't

[wooden saffron]

it stores an infinite amount but uses up 100 at a time to deal 100 damage

[surreal hazel]

Moves that inflict scorch inflict that many stacks (smolder ring also gets cast bonuses for scorch stacks applied)

6 times a second the game removes stacks of scorch at a rate of 100 stacks a second and deals damage equal to the number of stack ls multplied by amy global or olympian damage bonuses you have

Pyro technique accelerates this process by increasing how many stacks get removed each time it ticks (it's still 6 times a second)

If you have burning desire then everything is identical apart from the fact that the number of scorch stacks doesn't deplete while that victim has weakness

Scorch can stack up to 999 stacks normally

[unreal rose]

it's the only keepsake that can help you with vow of time if you're short on the timer before Tartarus. Also if you have a mid build and know very well the boss fight, you can get a win even though you wouldn't have had the damage without antler

Most people taking antlers will not get hit, and even if a hit goes trough Gale+Lovers you can still have armor, DDs, etc

[surreal hazel]

Trusty shield is just the best

Snow queen too

[unreal rose]

the less hit you get, the more everything that can block a hit gains in value

[surreal hazel]

And pumping out crits is a good offence, making it the best defence

[unreal rose]

indeed

I guess it was also the reasoning behind bell: if you're very skilled, you don't care about receiving more damage as long as you increase your own. But antler is simply better in all possible ways, along with not needing time to scale

[wooden saffron]

it still increases enemy dps more than yours so I would argue it's a 'bad' keepsake with the criteria being that a good keepsake is one that makes you win in the most situations in which you would lose without it

[unreal rose]

Why do you care about ennemies damage if you don't get hit

[surreal hazel]

Also global bonuses against you hurt more than global bonuses to your damage helps

It's an additive binus, crits are multiplicative

[wooden saffron]

why do you care about anything if you don't get hit? you don't need anything if you don't get hity

[unreal rose]

And besides no other keepsake than antler can save you from a low timer. It's a very big acceleration to your own progression

[surreal hazel]

Antler at 30% is effectively a 1.6x multplier on your final damage output

[unreal rose]

The more time you will have ennemies alive in your room, the more chances you have to get hit

[surreal hazel]

Unless you're running a scorch build

[unreal rose]

Obviously if you're playing without time 3 and below 32f antler is practically never needed for victory

[regal cobalt]

i had not expected this to be the ending wtf ok

excited for post-credits & epilogue tho

[surreal hazel]

Wrong channel

But yea, lol

Say hi to grampa for me

[regal cobalt]

i can finally get the rumored jpom

[surreal hazel]

Not yet

First uw run after the credits can't have hades appear

[regal cobalt]

oh well

soon!

i assume post credits uw runs r gonna have chronos with 3 phases as a constant?

[surreal hazel]

nope

unless you want it to by enabling the vow of rivals level 4

[regal cobalt]

ohh

[surreal hazel]

But also that phase 3 was a complete cutscene, you had infinite death defiances

[regal cobalt]

so he's still gonna be easypeasy 😭

[unreal rose]

until you decide it's not !

[regal cobalt]

thats true i lowk didnt realise that until i looked at the ss i took LOL

[regal cobalt]

heh!

[surreal hazel]

912 damage from chronos

[wooden saffron]

that is true if enemy dps to your dps delta was more even, like the bell which is considered bad, the dps increase of antler does not make up for the fragility. I guess it is like I thought initially, it's a "win more" item, it won't turn close loses into close wins like the pin or knuckle bones would, it only makes you win harder when you are already winning hard at which point keepsake choice stops mattering unless you speedrun

[surreal hazel]

you got turned into confetti

[unreal rose]

If you switch back and forth rivals 4, Chronos will even take you for a coward

[regal cobalt]

I KNOW 😭

[regal cobalt]

help

i havent even tried rivals prom yet cus im scared

lowk hilarious the 900 dmg from chronos and 2nd place is lycaon with 52 💀

but so is the rivals p3 the same as the cutscene or is it gonna be diff

[surreal hazel]

You don't get the monologue, or infinite DDs