h2-builds-and-combat

[vernal quiver]

The % bloat isnt why you dont take evil eye

You dont take it cuz its just useless 99% of the time and the 1% you could take it something is better

[grim current]

Oh?

[grim current]

That's not a concrete explanation!

[vernal quiver]

R3 has plenty of better options to take, e.hammer, gorgon if you wanna force athena, early pin, bones for dr and early ez damage

Like why would you take evil eye when pin exists

Or like why take evil eye when fang exists

What i used to do was take fang r3 and pin r4

[regal cobalt]

well i wouldve taken fang but like i said im saving that for typhon

and i lowk suck with pin

i never clear it in time 😭

[viral yew]

Or antler

[vernal quiver]

Truuuue I love antler(I will never play surface again screw doing 67f typhon with antler)

[regal cobalt]

oh icarus was actually useful fo5r once 100 armor

[vernal quiver]

The one thing hes good for 🥀

But yeah r3 keepsake takes are super flexible but like eye should never even remotely be on the mind

[regal cobalt]

genuinely

[vernal quiver]

Pin/e.hammer/gorgon/gonion(for scars3 gaming)/pin/fang are all just better

Or the rare wheel take if youre behind on mana for born gain

[regal cobalt]

bye i keep cursing on accident

[vernal quiver]

Shoutout dyno

[regal cobalt]

dionysus sucks his boons were somewhat decent in h1 but in h2 he just annoys the hell out of me

[vernal quiver]

He's a free room for timer 😌

(Also feeds the surface npcs suck balls statement)

[regal cobalt]

correct

circe and medea are the only good ones but theyre also kinda mid in comparison

ah damnit i hate leaving mid run but i gtg to work

[vernal quiver]

Shoutout being employed im at my job rn lol

[regal cobalt]

fr

[grim current]

Why do you guys bash Icarus so much? I know his subwaves get really dangerous in high fear, but he is a free boon unlike Dionysius.

[vernal quiver]

If i wasn't employed my 67f would be done already fr

[regal cobalt]

gotta keep the lights on for gaming somehow

[regal cobalt]

most of his offerings just suck tbh and when he appears i still need to fight like 20 enemies

[vernal quiver]

Icarus and dio both suffer from giving a whole lotta nothing 99% of the time

[regal cobalt]

and his bombs r slow as hell he barely even helps

[regal cobalt]

this

[broken spoke]

But at least Dio doesn't summon bunch of enemy to kill you

[vernal quiver]

Theyre only useful for the free rooms, and their boons most of the time wont do anything

[vernal quiver]

That too bro spares you from olympus bs while icarus has the population of a small country in his pocket

[regal cobalt]

true

[vernal quiver]

Icarus ends up being a worse arachne tbh

Since his offensive stuff js either mediocre(poms), or just bad(the cast bomb one), the only consistent takes end up being armor but thats not even a guarantee and unless youre clean you probably just took some damage so the armor isnt even free

[grim current]

I like the design philosophy of Hazard Boom, but 500 DMG isn't nearly enough for the risk.

[vernal quiver]

And on stuff like circe it just makes half the map uninhabitable

[broken spoke]

Winner circle don't even make it go off faster

[vernal quiver]

If it did thatd be hilarious

[broken spoke]

It can make the game become minesweeper tho

Winner circle actually make it worse because there is no place for you to stand anymore

[grim current]

I usually take Hazard Boom because at least it's a fun boon.

And I only play on 16 Fear.

[broken spoke]

Dio funniest boon is definitely tipsy shot

Despite i don't like it, its damage is stupidly high

[grim current]

It's a ranged cast boon. I like it.

[median anvil]

spawns an extra wave of enemies AND increases spawn limit per wave

[grim current]

Yeah, the conversation's ended.

[median anvil]

can cause some ridiculous thessaly rooms

[high relic]

Top 3 best weapons and aspect ?

[grim current]

I like Ingenious Strike/Flourish when I'm not doing Fates' Whim.

[median anvil]

whichever ones you enjoy playing the most

[grim current]

In terms of fun level, I favor Morrigan, Nergal, & Moros.

The weapon I main is Grave Thirst.

[high relic]

[median anvil]

medea charon moros

are all considered very strong aspects

[grim current]

I fecund hated Charon when I used it.

[vernal quiver]

Medea, mel staff, circe

Charon and moros are super super strong but need mana

[zealous crag]

Does the coat o attack block attacks while channeling? Or only once fully channeled?

[median anvil]

while channeling

[grim current]

Keep in mind a number of "heavy attacks" ignore omega attack's barrier. Most are intuitive, but some have to be learned via trial & error and memorization.

[leaden mountain]

What is the best build for the evolved Boss achievement?

[viral yew]

Evolved boss?

Also which aspect?

[leaden mountain]

The upgraded versions of the Main bosses. I think there is a steam achevement

[vernal quiver]

If youre at no other fear besides rivals the build doesn't matter much at all

[viral yew]

Rivals?

Unless you're playing above 40f builds don't matter

[leaden mountain]

Oki, thx

[tawny arrow]

Guys i've been doing 67f and wondering if there are any other weapons in the game beside the staff?

[flint widget]

skull

[grim current]

What's up with Demeter's Snow Queen boon? Is it a reference to Disney's Frozen?

[viral yew]

No

[flint widget]

why would sgg reference frozen

out of all disney movies and all things to reference

[tawny arrow]

I think it may be named after the fairy tale

[tall notch]

Because they're cool like that

[median anvil]

they just picked cool names for the boons

Poseidon's sea star used to be called double up, way back in early access

[spark crown]

how my roll out has changed (jpom -> hammer -> Kbones ->onion/pin/droplet)

[olive ginkgo]

So... Who has some advice on getting Typhon.. because I'm on his fight for the first time and spooked, I have like, four death defiances so I should be fine, BUT STILL

[median anvil]

his moveset becomes more advanced in phase 4 so try to keep all your resources for then

[olive ginkgo]

PHASE FOUR???

FOUR???????

[median anvil]

good luck

[olive ginkgo]

HOW MANY PHASES????

[surreal hazel]

4 subphases

Well. Six

[median anvil]

🤫

[median anvil]

||it's 4 in the base fight||

[surreal hazel]

Six

Egg phases are phases

[median anvil]

before eggs
post first eggs
post zeus
post second eggs

[median anvil]

i mean, if you count the eggs as separate phases then you gotta count prometheus memory game as phases as well

[surreal hazel]

Kinda, yeah. They're a fixed smount of time

And hecate witch phases

[olive ginkgo]

so... on a scale from one to ten, how hard is Typhon to fight

because i was really excited to win ONE run

[grim current]

I've found success prioritizing anti-armor boons.

[surreal hazel]

Easy once you know the actual moves

[olive ginkgo]

I'm currently sitting here with aspect of selene

[surreal hazel]

He will flatten you the first time

[digital juniper]

what’s up

[surreal hazel]

Protip, dash away from the chin slam

[olive ginkgo]

Playing Hades 2 is funny because what do you mean Melinoë takes Skelly seriously

anyways, I'm off to beat up ... Typhon

[grim current]

I first killed him in my 2nd attempt with him, & went on a winning streak since (until the end of the main campaign of course).

[grim current]

I mean, with the increase in stakes, it's not far fetched. Schelemeus was indeed a sailor & merchant, even if he still likes a stroked ego.

[grim current]

Honestly, Tail & Spawn of Typhon are greater foes than Typhon himself.

[dusky totem]

I just tried a queen's ransom run on Supay, with the "logic" that nexus rush is amazing for rooms and you can surely get something to deal with big enemies afterwards... Well, it's suddenly a lot lot worse when it's not your only hitch applier

although I got another vision for the build : start nexus rush, pivot to king's ransom. Nexus rush is really good early after all.

Except with the vow that gives shields to enemies

[surreal hazel]

that can work

supay does like blitz after all

[sand quail]

If I use Hephaestus special blast on something like axe special that has big AoE does the +500 blast damage apply to only first enemy hit or all enemies in axe special AoE?

[regal cobalt]

for the axe it applies to all 3 blasts in the omega special atleast

i often opt for the heph special blast dmg cus it work well with the axes omega special that delivers 3 consecutive hits

[surreal hazel]

er no

the blast triggers on whatever the first hit is, then it goes on cooldown immediately

[regal cobalt]

atleast the popup text triggers for each hit from what ive seen?

[surreal hazel]

nope

the blast can hit multiple enemies, sure, it's one big explosion

but it's one

and it's separate from the actual damage the move normally does

[regal cobalt]

hm ill have to check next time i use it

[viral yew]

Heph blast has its own hidden radius

[surreal hazel]

no really, it's been like this from day one on EA

[regal cobalt]

yeah i believe u i just couldve sworn it applies the blast dmg for the entire ospec

[surreal hazel]

it can happen on any of the pulses, whatever is the first to hit something, and the blast is centered on that enemy

[regal cobalt]

that might explain why ive gotten the impression it applies for each blast

[surreal hazel]

yeah, if you swing and hit nothing, no blast happens and it doesn't go into cooldown

no matter which of the three blast boons you use

[fiery kraken]

what's the aoe for the blast?

seems about half the diameter of the cast?

[surreal hazel]

about the size of a cast? Ish?

[regal cobalt]

i see i see

yeah ok makes sense my bad

[fiery kraken]

is there any special handling for the random boons? do "gods in pool" and "gods not in pool (assuming you have fewer than 4 gods in pool)" have same probability?

[surreal hazel]

Not sure

[fiery kraken]

oh man, I can't see my scorch build up on typhon so timing the freezer burn is harder

[tropic hazel]

What will be good aspect for axe to learn to play? With J.pom ofc

[odd bolt]

than, charon

charon a bit harder to build cause you really want some specific boons like geyser spout

[flint widget]

nah its nergal

[tall notch]

honestly pick whichever one sounds the most fun to you, they're all okay

[dusky totem]

I wanted to do a stabbing rush run, with supay

So I wanted Coffin Nail. So I wanted Hephaestus. So Hephaestus took over the run

200k damage from blasts, 110k from falling blades, with 20k of those coming from cut above that I got in late olympus

I dislike Hephaestus boons tbh. They're just always the same no matter what you play. And I don't find the gameplay to be particularly rewarding... Though maybe I'm just getting too lucky. Without a low cooldown they suck. Then they become incredibly powerful... Not a fan of those unstable equilibriums but oh well.

[fiery kraken]

trusty shield is my favorite

[spiral wadi]

kinda just realized how funny it is that sea serpents have a mechanic to not burrow in the water when a few enemies are left, while land dracons don't care and will burrow no matter what

[wooden saffron]

daggers have low damage fast attacks so it seems natural to pick on-hit attack boon like poseidon, why do I see people recommend %dmg like Aphro attack then?

[odd bolt]

Who is recommending this

[alpine raft]

theres wicked onslaught and reaper knives which add power

[wooden saffron]

pinned guide in this channel

[alpine raft]

sweeping ambush maybe

[civic salmon]

if you have arc flash and attack with an omega that does more than 120, will arc flash trigger blitz first or will the 120 damage pop it and arc flash skipped?

[odd bolt]

Oh right, for oattack Artemis builds

[alpine raft]

xarrots 67 had aph special

[odd bolt]

maybe with the hammers yeah still I wouldn't say is the best, the guide on pinned gives multiple builds for each aspect so

[fresh aurora]

Anywhere I can find some basic builds with tarot, I find them all pretty good idk

[tropic hazel]

pinned message

[grim current]

Strange. How come there's no special/flourish version of Weed Killer (+60% omega attack DMG, +10 Magick consumed)?

It's quite a favorable boon when the player opts for non-+x% DMG strike boons.

[fiery kraken]

there's the hestia fireball for Ospecial

[alpine raft]

seems kinda boring to have 2 almost identical boons

[grim current]

I suppose.

Although, it's not like we'll be missing Steady Growth, amirite?

[alpine raft]

or plentiful forage

[grim current]

Couldn't it have been "At the end of encounter/room, x" instead of something as random as meta currency loot checks?

[tawny arrow]

With the auto collection incantation it's basically "at the end of certain rooms, gain hp"

Pretty silly tho, yeah

[regal cobalt]

man my controllers joystick has started drifting so bad its affecting my gameplay

[tawny arrow]

Kbm superiority

[regal cobalt]

i hate playing kbm

esp rn cus i have acrylics 💀

i just dont want to get a new controller but idk what to do abt the drifting
maybe some tech shop can do a deep clean

[tawny arrow]

Hate playing with controller
I can only tolerate the xbox 360 controller which is the pinnacle of innovation

I got hands like typhon so anything else is kinda small and unwieldy for me

[regal cobalt]

i use a hyperx controller which is modeled like an xbox controller

[tawny arrow]

Rubber bands

[turbid karma]

I'd look up if there are any tutorials for DIY cleaning the pots in the controller

[regal cobalt]

its been really good otherwise but both mine and my bfs joysticks have started drifting and its getting so bad

[grim current]

I too favor kb&m, but my laptop is getting old. My D & C keys are getting eaten. It's slowly getting worse & worse.

[turbid karma]

I can't speak for console controllers, but I've done it for flight sim controllers before, it's very doable

[regal cobalt]

ive tried but all of them require opening the whole thing up and i dont want to mess with that

[turbid karma]

well if the alternative is getting a new controller, why not, right?

I hear you though, the first time I did it I was terrified

[regal cobalt]

fair point

[tawny arrow]

Haven't had a d key in months
And my laptop randomly shuts down if i press the keyboard sometimes
Had to connect an external keyboard just for that lol

[grim current]

Didn't the gaming industry nigh-perfect thumbstick durability back in 04 or something?

[regal cobalt]

its probably just full of grime

[turbid karma]

it helped me to think about the controller as functionally dead (i.e. will be thrown out if i can't fix it) and thus feel less like I'm going to screw it up

[tawny arrow]

Sounds like a fun project

[grim current]

What's up with modern gamepads having worse durability than a germophobe in a bum-licking contest?

[turbid karma]

you might be able to get new pots too though idk

[tawny arrow]

Yeah that costs money tho

[regal cobalt]

true!

[tawny arrow]

Why get a good good hall sensor or something when you can stick with the dirt cheap variable resistor?

[turbid karma]

did they? it's the potentiometer which is the problem, not the durability. Potentiometers are contact sensors and so grime will always eventually get in. Hall-effect and other non-contact sensors exist which functionally solve this problem, but they're expensive like entropy says

[regal cobalt]

and sell more product cus they keep breaking!

[tawny arrow]

I love modern business practices

[scarlet ferry]

corporations like money

[turbid karma]

hall effect sensors are the industry standard for more expensive gaming controllers (see: any flight sim controller worth buying in 2026, minus a few extraordinarily niche exceptions) but on xbox style units pots still reign supreme

[regal cobalt]

the drifting didnt affect me too much while playing hollow knight/silksong/dead cells cus theyre 2d but its becoming so noticeable with hades and has caused me some runs at times cus mel wont stay still and the joystick drift makes her walk straight into dmg

[tawny arrow]

Dude hall sensors ain't even that expensive anymore they're just saving pennies on every unit
But those pennies add up, especially if you have to replace the damn thing cus it keeps breaking

[regal cobalt]

cant really up the dead zone much either cus thatll mess with my downwards movement

[grim current]

Is there a cursor for ranged casts with the Steam Deck, since there are two trackpads?

[tawny arrow]

Reminds me of a bug in MGSV on pc when snake would just keep running straight no matter what you did
So i would be in the middle of a stealth mission and this dude just beelines it straight towards a tank with 5 enemies around it

[regal cobalt]

help

[grim current]

I know gamepad users dislike Lightning Lance, Howling Soul, Glowing Coal, & Dionysus' mortar cast because the auto-aim is insufficient.

[tawny arrow]

Good times

[regal cobalt]

the drifting has also messed with boons for me cus i think im choosing one and suddenly the drift makes the choice cycle and becomes a mfing slotmachine

true randomised mode

[grim current]

Ugh. Poseidon's strike/flourish boons have a 0.15s cooldown. Doesn't feel too good for Morrigan. It doesn't even deal as much DMG as Scorch even if it had a cooldown.

[tawny arrow]

Fates' whim ultra mode

[regal cobalt]

[tawny arrow]

The emojis are animated???

Oh i need that nitro thing

[grim current]

[tawny arrow]

KING SCHELEMEMNON, SIR!

[scarlet ferry]

How consequential are the gold shades from Anubis actually?

[tawny arrow]

Depends
With hordes and the hammer that makes em chase your ospecial targets they can be surprisingly effective

Imagine a tracking burst of heph rushes
Pretty good, no?

[grim current]

Tracking Burst?

[scarlet ferry]

They mean tracking a burst of heph explosions (damage from gold shades) into an enemy

[alpine raft]

the gold shades track and do p good damage

[scarlet ferry]

I'm doing an Anubis 32f run and am in Oceanus rn. My gods are Hestia, Aphrodite, and Zeus so far. I'm hoping I can get Poseidon or Hera or Apollo for my gain boon but Im gona have to settle for Hestia's (or even Zeus'...) if they dont show up soon

Okay Hera just showed up

and it's a mini boss room. Please give gain 🙏

I didnt so Imma cry. At least I can get her special

[alpine raft]

its hard to run out of magic on anubis with hestia gain

[tawny arrow]

Hestia gain ain't half bad on anubis

I would argue it's one of the aspects that best compliments her gain actually

[scarlet ferry]

@alpine raft @tawny arrow True. But since I have Hera on special now, I think I'll get Aphrodite gain to play into the Aphrodite + Hestia duo I already have

[tawny arrow]

Aphro gain on anubis????

[scarlet ferry]

Because I want Hesitia's cast and not Aphrodite's. Hestia's legendary is still the only one I've yet to get lol

[tawny arrow]

Like putting a bayonet on a sniper rifle

[scarlet ferry]

fine I guess I wont sabotage the run for a prophecy 🙄

[tawny arrow]

Dude i had 30 runs straight just hunting for heph's legendary
Never even got it
I get the urge, trust me

[scarlet ferry]

Hestia's is so annoying because I think it's the only one where you need a specific boon

[fiery kraken]

how does hestia's legendary work? Does having a cast down mean anyone trying to throw a projectile takes scorch and it eats the projectile?

[vernal quiver]

Yeah but but its super picky about what projectiles it eats

So its kinda dookie

[late zealot]

any tips on how to make aspect of pan better to beat prometheus? been using ares special buff and aphrodite's dragging cast but this guy does not like to stand still

[vernal quiver]

oh ares is buns on it

use poseidon on special its loads better

or just get tk and dash attack spam

also shoutout a flawless erebus for this 62 practice until hecate decided to be mean about the giant circles in the 2nd phase transistion

[late zealot]

is posideon really the best? i think i've used his boons the least since everyone else's seem better

[vernal quiver]

For pan yeah, he wants things that hit multiple times bad so coat and daggers love him

[tawny arrow]

Pan makes you use a bunch of quick, low damage attacks
Using ares, only the first attack gets buffed and the rest get a tiny % boost which means nothing since they already do very little damage
Poseidon makes every knife do its damage + the damage from the splash

Pan greatly benefits from poseidon and hestia which stack up damage without relation to the weapon' base damage

[late zealot]

i will try it out next run ty for the help 🙏🏽

[grim current]

Ugh. Why does Poseidon's splash DMG have a 0.15s cooldown? It doesn't even deal as much DMG as Scorch!

[vernal quiver]

Cuz like 99% of weapons dont care about it

[fiery kraken]

so if you get the "all specials in a line" on dagger with pois splash, does it not hit for all the thrown daggers?

[late zealot]

y'all were right poseiden special is so op with pan blades i got it to heroic level 6 and it's doing so much dmg even without charged specials

[spiral wadi]

it's actually a max splashes per time window that's specified per weapon's move

it's weird cuz axe attack can generate multiple splashes but axe special which is multihit can only get one splash out

[copper stag]

What’s the best way to get origination to activate with a Charon build using Apollo

[viral yew]

Apollo cast?

[copper stag]

Yes

[umbral horizon]

I think on pan Aphrodite special is stronger. Poseidon splash has cooldown between 2 hits

[viral yew]

Something like hera on special is best, otherwise you'll have to go with a sprint or get gales on the cast

[viral yew]

It absolutely is not, pos special is still the best build for pan

Aphro special would only be better with trick knives

[copper stag]

What’s gales?

[broken spoke]

Demeter gales

[viral yew]

Demeter gale

[copper stag]

Oh ok

That wouldn’t stack with Apollos cast, would it?

I’m in the middle of a run and I already have geyser spout, Apollos special, Apollos cast and the hammer fires your special twice

[viral yew]

You can stack the gale boon with any cast boon

[copper stag]

Awesome

Thank you

[late zealot]

i normally use aphrodite's cast buff over her special buff but i can try it out!

[viral yew]

Don't, it's not very good

[late zealot]

really?? i feel like its so good though for pan it keeps them clumped up and away from me

and the weak debuff is nice too

[alpine raft]

cast is fine not special

[late zealot]

ah okay

[viral yew]

Aphro cast is good, just not the special

[broken spoke]

Aphro speical good when you just get trick knife reaper knife

Just get that 2 specific hammer smh

[umbral horizon]

It 250% on heroic as I remember. Really strong

[late zealot]

250% is insane

[viral yew]

Not on pan knives lmfao

[vernal quiver]

sure but not when its on a like 10 base damage knife hit

since first off thats a crazy high roll boon, but like one common posiedon boon would have similar if not better scaling without a spacing requirment and open up froth

[broken spoke]

I forgot how much ospec base damage is

Only remember regular special is 25

Common level 4 pos is 35

[vernal quiver]

even then, a single common posiedon outdoes basically every other option

[viral yew]

Pretty sure it's the same

[broken spoke]

And the baseline damage you have probably 80% (origination+fury)

[umbral horizon]

Oh, I dont remember exactly how damaged by base special. Last time i checked about 30 with strength. So as you say 10 base damage, Poseidon is better.

[vernal quiver]

i think blu and luthien have it more right than me, but even then assuming a 25 base even if you have a 250% aphro(heroic mind you so almost never happening) which would add what like ~60, a common posiedon is like 35 and doesnt have a distance req and opens up froth

[broken spoke]

Since you are running strength, you get 100% dmg boost from arcana so pos common lv 4 add 70

[vernal quiver]

in a more realistic setting, lvl1 common posiedon is 20, lvl1 common aphro is 80, pan knives deal 25 base so 80% is the same amount with a conditional

but you also have to consider poseidon scales a lot nicer with poms

lvl4 aphro common is 130 while pos is 35, in which posiedon is winning by a couple points, and again without a distance conditional that will cost you some damage

[silent crow]

use aphro bc aphro special is based and poseidon special is cringe

[vernal quiver]

but with stuff like froth, arterial spray, origination, all super strong multipliers posiedon will win out by miles

(also if we count wards posiedon annihilates wards)

[umbral horizon]

Yes but Spash has cooldown. So 10 knives does not deal as 10 splashes I guess. Im confused about how many splashes deal damage on a full omega special.

[alpine raft]

you use the normal special way more anyways and it procs splash on every hit

and the cooldown is barely a concern compared to aphro range

[scarlet ferry]

Idk how to use Aspect of Charon on 32 fear cause I keep getting hit when charging the omega special

[odd bolt]

You can dash while charging the ospecial

[scarlet ferry]

Omg. I was about to say "But that resets it, right," but went and tested in the crossroads since I have the game open...

[alpine raft]

leg weights are off

[broken spoke]

A trick that the game don't tell you

[zealous crag]

What's up with so many people ranking mel staff so high? Is the extra special base damage really that impactful?

[scarlet ferry]

I wish I could set 2 different buttons to one control

[broken spoke]

It is 2x dmg

[alpine raft]

40 power is absurd yes

[broken spoke]

When mel staff regular special hit as hard as other staff omega special

Bonus point: with just huntress it deal 120, which enough to trigger blitz when applied by attack

[vernal quiver]

it also only needs like 2 boons to get active

[scarlet ferry]

And Mel staff already has a ton of good special based hammers

[vernal quiver]

1 arguably, just a good % special and you kinda win

[zealous crag]

Wait, really? That's it? The biggest draw is that it gets off the ground quickly? I can see that it can get off the ground quickly, I'm just surprised the reason seems so... mundane?

[alpine raft]

its definitely simple but that doesnt mean it isnt strong

[scarlet ferry]

My guy +40 base is realllllly good

[zealous crag]

As far as numbers go, it feels small compared to Charon or Thanatos.

[scarlet ferry]

It attacks much faster than the axe

[bronze flax]

Mel Staff seems kinda simple but it is very effective

[zealous crag]

Maybe I just haven't given it a spot since I finished upgrading it.

[scarlet ferry]

What's the best CORE cast boon with aspect of Charon?

[broken spoke]

Pos is my favourite

Insta dmg on place, a curse, open up geyser

[scarlet ferry]

I started with Apollo keepsake to lock in his gain. First boon selection had an epic cast and common gain, so I chose the cast lol

[alpine raft]

probably incorrect, early gain does more than early cast

[scarlet ferry]

Yeah but I like colors :(

[alpine raft]

actually depends on fear ig

[broken spoke]

When seeing apollo on charon, I choose gain>special>cast

[scarlet ferry]

Actually, gonna undo the night. Hestia is my next god and I want her cast so I can finally try to get her legendary

Also, Im stupid and forgot I can rarify the gain boon anyway lmfao

[frank siren]

The other thing that mel staff has is the extra Magick. The extra base damage is good for high fear but the special isnt a priority in going for fast time

[zealous crag]

Wait really? I mean, for a magic build, wouldn't other aspects perform better?

[odd bolt]

The magick is a nice bonus I would say, you can do some funny stuff with ospecial

Although anubis ospecial is still even better

[zealous crag]

It's definitely really good. Maybe the best. Would Heph cast work? The clangs continue even after the cast is gone, right?

[broken spoke]

Yes

[alpine raft]

cant go wrong really

[broken spoke]

Zeus and hestia cast is probably the one i hate on charon

[odd bolt]

Zeus is like good 99% of the time except when you're playing Charon lol you kinda don't wanna see him

[open sigil]

i mean yeah theyre meant to stay longer

[broken spoke]

Mostly because their other boon don't really help either

[frank siren]

Bahaha troll yourself with winners circle and storm ring on charon

[deep jackal]

Hi all. Any suggestions for what keepsakes to pair with Jeweled Pom. I don’t yet have Zag’s or Chronos keepsake and I used Jewled Pom first. Thanks!

[frank siren]

Are you trying to go fast or do high fear?

Its so good by itself you kinda just use whatever you want that wont remove it so no god keepsakes. Definitely get the zag and chronos keepsakes though, those are good for fun runs

[vernal quiver]

Uhhh jpom -> whatever -> whatever -> pin/antler, doesnt really matter what you do just dont break fw, for UW you can take e.hammer in r2 iirc and itll get to gramps, surface its an r3 take but its contesting with knuckle bones

Fig is a pretty consistent r2 take

[flint widget]

id go with pom into fig into hammer into antler

[vernal quiver]

Same yeah

[flint widget]

pin doesn't exist when antler exists

[frank siren]

Go fast formula for me is pom>fig>metallic droplet>wantler

But theres a case to be made for Athena in fields when the pom ability sucks and you already have all the core boons you need

[deep jackal]

Really just trying to go with the most power and then speed. I’m partial to the skulls (so far)

[deep jackal]

Oh man, idk if I’m good enough to risk with the antlers yet ha

[flint widget]

eh the only way to learn antler is to play antler

plus once u get a taste of antler you'll never let go

[flint widget]

it's always just athena for speedruns for me personally

antler makes u have giga dmg anyway

[deep jackal]

okay, I’ll give it a shot. thank you 🦌

[flint widget]

godspeed

[frank siren]

Maybe I need to switch strategy to Athena every time

[stuck plover]

deletes misplaced commenting

[vernal quiver]

Its a good panic pick for r3/4 in uw

But the better you get the less useful it is, and for uw you do have to consider it means less chances for dissent or you lose dissent depending on the jpom boon

[flint widget]

for speedruns it's an always take imo

[vernal quiver]

Oh 100% but for casual/fear play its a bit situational

[zealous crag]

Any recommendations for leveling up the bell, eye, and hammer keepsakes?

I just can't think of scenarios when I'd actually want to use any of them.

[vernal quiver]

The hammer is fun to throw on in r3 generally

[zealous crag]

Is that rivals 3, or region 3...?

[vernal quiver]

Eye and bell are both buns anyway so idk, maybe be funny and do a bell only run

[vernal quiver]

Region3, and max level hammer has enough encounters to last from r2 in uw and r3 in surface

I only ever take it r3 because r3 is super flexible and staff has no bad hammers

[zealous crag]

Oh, cool. Didn't realize that.

[median anvil]

put them on and run any erebus chaos trial that doesn't force a keepsake on you

[sand quail]

Does eternity arcana slow down me too or only enemies?

[vernal quiver]

Wdym?? It only triggers when youre channeling an omega

So everything slows down so you have more time to channel

But like your channel time stays the same

[zealous crag]

Huh, I forgot they can level up in the trials. Good point.

[sand quail]

Ok. That's what I wanted to ask.

So if the channel time is shorter than 1s the time slow also ends early

[vernal quiver]

Yeah

The time slow is just up to whatever the limit is for whatever youre channeling

[sand quail]

What's the slow rate? Like 50%?

[vernal quiver]

I have no idea actually

[grim current]

I don't care for Eternity. I wish Night & Eternity switched places.

Night encourages using all 3 omegas.

Eternity... just helps out the player.

[vernal quiver]

Night is buns on like 99% of situations lol

very rarely does a weapon actually cycle for night

[grim current]

However niche it is in practice, the design philosophy is there.

[rare grove]

just lost to super typhon cause I burned all my mana cause Icarus and weed killer and fine line was a really stupid thing to do

[grim current]

Instead of spamming the same omega, the player is actually encouraged to spice up their method of attack.

[zealous crag]

I find I'm often between night and huntress, but I feel like neither are as good of uses as they could be.

Not every aspect leans into multiple omega moves or strictly avoids on-hit effects.

[rare grove]

different arcana for different weapons is helpful at times; i'll throw on eternity/moon when i'm running selene coat for example

[median anvil]

huntress is really good

even if you're playing around blitz or any effect, damage is damage

[viscid hull]

what is your favourite hidden aspect and why?

[tawny arrow]

It was a joke i just use whatever aspect has grave thirst at the time

[verbal island]

GAHHH Selenes Blackcoat is literally amazing!! I’ve killed Cronos 3 times in a row. I know he mad as hell, I put 8 fear just for fun and still wasn’t enough to stop me

I love blocking, just give me a shield at this point

[tawny arrow]

"Yeah so we have a staff, some knives, an axe... oh and a futuristic jetpack with massive explosive powered gloves that can create a forcefield. Oh and it can also generate an infinite amount of mini rockets with self targeting capabilities. Then we have a skull, some torches..."

[regal cobalt]

omg just cleared my 20th trial

[tawny arrow]

The real trial was doing it all with stick drift

[regal cobalt]

true 💀

[zealous crag]

Just finished a 24f surface run. Double Heph worked surprisingly well.

[flint widget]

just had my worst 62f clear in a while

[unreal rose]

You know what they say

A clear is a clear

[flint widget]

worst scylla fight of my entire existence and worst fields as well

lost all dds to scylla and then echo gave me survive x3

next room proceeded to wipe away 3/4 of my hp

at least i got damageless chronos

with no dodge to save me

[unreal rose]

Your inner skills waited Chronos fight to manifest

[tawny arrow]

Is there a good scylla fight?

You're fighting scylla this is already a big loss in and of itself

[surreal hazel]

When you can easily hitch everything, it tends to go better

[tawny arrow]

Yeah only good thing about that watery hell is that there are like 10 enemies in a tiny arena so hitch works crazy well

[surreal hazel]

Some hexes also pop off there

[prime trench]

what's the best Medea attack and special boons??

[surreal hazel]

Roxy's too devoted to the band to abandon her drumkit in the face of armageddon

[surreal hazel]

Heaven Strike and some curse-inflicting Flourish

[prime trench]

can you speak normal language

[surreal hazel]

pack origination arcana, press attack once and then special on each enemy, watch them melt

[prime trench]

which gods?
aphrodite/zeus/demeter?

[flint widget]

uh check my latest video on my yt i had the cleanest scylla fight of my entire existence

[surreal hazel]

Heaven Strike is Zeus attack, and any Special boon that adds a curse, so Hera, Demeter, Ares, Hestia

[prime trench]

alr zeus it is then

[surreal hazel]

just don't overload your attack, only load one skull at a time, you don't need all three

[flint widget]

isnt it any curse inflicting % attack and zeus special

the attack is way more powerful than the special

[zealous crag]

Does anyone know how scorch works, particularly with air quality and pyro technique?

[flint widget]

aq doesnt affect scorch

pyro just increase dps of scorch

[zealous crag]

It doesn't? Damn. They must have changed it in the EA.

I'm trying to figure out what to go for on my next Circe run: Hestia or Zeus. Hestia has better AOE, but the DPS can cap out even with pyro technique. Meanwhile, Zeus gets air quality for the bolts, chain lightning, and the psychic leash. But that takes a bit more get off the ground.

[flint widget]

its just zeus 100%

also u dont need aq storm ring is already powerful on its own

also hera exists for spreading storm ring dmg

[zealous crag]

Huh, just checked the duo boons and there's just not as much going for Hestia as there is for Zeus. Odd that he's one of the best boon givers again.

[flint widget]

isnt hestia a she? also scorch really only needs pyro in order to become cracked

storm ring alone is just cracked

[median anvil]

bro??

[zealous crag]

Can huntress activate if all your magic is primed?

[flint widget]

nah

[spark crown]

they ment zeus is the top boon giver

[zealous crag]

I wonder if Poseidon, Apollo, or Heph could actually be better than Zeus or Hestia on Circe, given Winner's Circle.

[spark crown]

Zeus isn't the best on circe iirc

[upbeat matrix]

Getting winners circle isnt super easy unfortunately but if I see it ill take it

[spark crown]

Wait no nvm I'm dumb

[upbeat matrix]

unless I have zeus/hestia cast

[spark crown]

Winners circle + heph cast is strong

[zealous crag]

Well, yeah, it's not going to be often that you get Winner's Circle before even getting a cast boon on Circe. But if it did happen, I wonder if it'd be straight up better.

[spark crown]

Cuz heph zone isn't based on cast lifetime =lots of dings with minimal risk

[upbeat matrix]

It can work but you need to build into omega cast also, I had a winners pos omega build that got to typhon on 50F

[prime trench]

Moros torches best attack and special boons??

i feel like you can never go wrong with Zeus/Hera on every single weapon lol

[manic shuttle]

works with anything but zeus and hera are the best for special ye

[zealous crag]

You can't just stick with normal cast? Seems like you could.

[prime trench]

i never take winner's circle, why would i ever? i want my cast to last as long as possible

[upbeat matrix]

I mean I guess you could but winners also inc omega cast speed

so it allows you to buld into that also

[upbeat matrix]

some casts like apollo and poseidon deal damage once in a burst

[zealous crag]

Yeah, but you don't have to use that part. The increased expiration speed is probably enough.

[upbeat matrix]

maybe at low fear it is, but the higher you go it wont be.

Remember winners circle only scales w rarity not levels so poms cant help it, and while you can manage at base it can get outscaled unless u have another scaling source

it can be part of a damage solution but if you want the cast to be the only damage solution you need to get omega cast stuff too

sorry if I came across as rude btw that wasnt my intention

[tawny arrow]

Does winning against zag send me back to the same shop?

[upbeat matrix]

No it's sends you ahead to a room automatically

[tawny arrow]

Will it be the same room as the one i would've went to had i not picked the pact?

[odd bolt]

It's random afaik

[spark crown]

Random room of same type of reward of shop doors iirc

[tawny arrow]

Is there a point in going other than getting zag's keepsake?

[spark crown]

free item every shop if you win

[lament fulcrum]

Executioner Chop + Hell's splitter would these two stack yall

[spark crown]

yes

[lament fulcrum]

nice

[spark crown]

enjoy the tip fellow larian game enjoyer :)

[lament fulcrum]

thankyou

also tho,how did life tax work

i heal until i healed for 150 so if i somehow deal 1k5 dmg at max health it is gone ?

or it only count when i can be healed

[narrow steeple]

only counts when it actually restores life. if you're full HP and you damage, it doesnt consume life tax.

[spark crown]

Only uses as much as is needed to fill your hp bar and is unaffected by healing boosts or debuffs from boons

[tropic hazel]

Is the messenger arcana card good or quite mediocre?

[flint widget]

i like it

[surreal hazel]

it alright, hardly run defining

[vernal quiver]

Its 1 cost so not like its taking up space

[surreal hazel]

it's no Sorceress

[vernal quiver]

In certain positions(p3 frenzy2 chronos slowdown) you really gotta get used to abusing it

And theres some situations that youd cast normally thatd get you hit without it

[median anvil]

it's good, it's balanced by having a bad position in the arcana layout

[spark crown]

its saved me 10-15 times

[regal cobalt]

i still havent gotten a single s.scale wtf

[fiery kraken]

Which one is messenger?

[vernal quiver]

Iframes on cast

[vernal quiver]

Shoutout typhon ong

[spark crown]

0.5 secs of invincibility iirc

[vernal quiver]

Its like 18 frames so like 1/3 of a second unless im crazy, ik speedcord talked abt it at one point

I could just be hard misremembering though

[spark crown]

i think the card itself says 1 second but dosnt feel like that

[regal cobalt]

gotta keep grinding surface runs ig

[spark crown]

you running raki?

[vernal quiver]

Just do mini speedruns with medea and take raki

[regal cobalt]

no, but i probaly should

yeahh

[spark crown]

+50% chance every room

[tawny arrow]

Do i take flame flourish and hope for a poseidon sacrifice or do i take heat rush

Already have hestia cast and a poseidon special would set me up for life

[fiery kraken]

It's hard to bank on sacrifice since it's lower probability

[spark crown]

what weapon

[tawny arrow]

Yeah but i don't wanna take HEAT RUSH

[tawny arrow]

Eos

[spark crown]

flame flourish on eos is good

so even if you dont get the sac youll be right

[tawny arrow]

Yeah but i already have a good hestia cast and no splashes

[vernal quiver]

Unless its denial or you get hymn from a well

Since then its pretty likely if you play to it

[tawny arrow]

I mean with air quality heat rush might be slightly better?

[vernal quiver]

Its still dookie

[spark crown]

BOOOOOOOOOOOO HEAT RUSH

[tawny arrow]

Yeah but i weally weally want poseidon's special

Maaaan

Might actually have to bank on a sacrifice...

[spark crown]

bottom of the list below ares but above posideon and aphro

[vernal quiver]

Ur just insane metal

[tawny arrow]

Could also get snuffed candle!

[spark crown]

i dont like to be in head caving range

[vernal quiver]

If posiedon is in the pool id do that

[tawny arrow]

Are you fr rn

Why would i ever pick snuffed candle

[fiery kraken]

Does heat rush work with air quality?

[spark crown]

Snuffed candle is goated ???????????

[vernal quiver]

Cuz its just free damage on bosses??

[spark crown]

yes but its still dookie

[tawny arrow]

THERE ARE NEVER FOES NOWHERE NEAR OTHER FOES

[vernal quiver]

Yeah but even then theres much better dashes with 0 investment

[flint widget]

bro snuffed doesn't even work on most bosses

[spark crown]

name 1

[tawny arrow]

THIS IS HORDES WE STRAIGHT GETTING BLITZED HERE

[fiery kraken]

Sorry I'm not with it, what does dookie mean?

[spark crown]

and dont say hecate or scylla

[tawny arrow]

Rivals???

[flint widget]

chronos in rivals typhon counts as enemy in games code

[spark crown]

💩

[flint widget]

so that bricks snuffed on rivals typhon

[vernal quiver]

Well thank god I never play surface

[tawny arrow]

I'm doing olympus
Snuffed candle big dookie

So it's the flame flourish for 2day?

If i get a sacrifice i know the fates are with me

[flint widget]

also chronos bricks snuffed too since the adds and clonos exist

[vernal quiver]

The ads and clones arent there 100% of the time

[spark crown]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-side-eye-gif-5016118126108679217

[flint widget]

yeah but once u get rid of adds and clones snuffed becomes useless then

well ig u could keep one ad alive but that's inefficient

[vernal quiver]

Omg wait you need to have more enemies alive for it to happen?? 😭 that is buns my bad gang

[tawny arrow]

Ok i no diffed poly
Guess scorch worked out

[flint widget]

do u think snuffed would be free dmg boost to bosses

ripoff furies

that would be op

[vernal quiver]

Thats what the boon description makes it sound like 🥀

[tawny arrow]

Thessaly chrolex or fig?

[vernal quiver]

How bad is timer

[tawny arrow]

Got time

[vernal quiver]

And what fear

[tawny arrow]

Like 50

[vernal quiver]

Chrolex

[tawny arrow]

Okie dokie

[flint widget]

just put the chrolex in the bag alr

[tropic hazel]

Is it the same as in hades 1 that we avoided extreme measures 4 (rivals 4) or should I try to learn it the painful way?

[flint widget]

wdym

[tawny arrow]

Free fear

[flint widget]

also who's we

[vernal quiver]

Yeah its free just learn the boss

That too em4 was an auto put on if you wanted to push heat

[tall notch]

I'd go with the painful way after all

[tropic hazel]

Thanks :>

[tawny arrow]

Is there any point to beach ball

[digital juniper]

where did u get this info from

snuffed is basically only on when there’s 1 enemy on the screen because it’s activation range is massive

it’s bad because all rivals bosses except cerb and eris almost always have other enemies on the screen so it’s off in those

[flint widget]

i mistakenly assumed that was the case mb

[flint widget]

wait so it's basically free furies

mb plum

[vernal quiver]

You lied to me 🥀

[digital juniper]

no because it’s activation criteria is so bad it’s barely on

for hecate her clones count as an enemy, so no snuffed candle there

[flint widget]

bro i didn't know

[digital juniper]

sirens is…yeah
cerb you actually get the benefit
chronos is always spawning some BS, including clonos which turn it off
medea disables it entirely against poly, even when u cant see her on screen
works against eris
promacles is…yeah
chronos in typhon disables it

[digital juniper]

but you talked with such confidence as if it was fact😭

[flint widget]

mb mb mb

i always learn from my mistakes

so it's only eris that gets free furies (and cerb)

[digital juniper]

and cerb yeah

[tall notch]

"free" when it doesn't even work most of the time and Hestia has so many better things to be doing 😭

I guess if it shows up in fields/tart it's clickable for the bosses

[flint widget]

eh there's compromises to be made for it to be free furies

[digital juniper]

it’ll be off for most of chronos so probably not even clickable in tart lmao

[flint widget]

the more you know ig

[digital juniper]

but hey deep dissent disables the grabby hands in p3 so atleast it’ll only be off with clonos

[tall notch]

It works against enough of Chronos to be of some use

[digital juniper]

fair, at that point you probably got all the other hestia you’d want too

[flint widget]

what about if u kill all ads in p1 and p2

does snuffed work or nah

[digital juniper]

yes

my statement was because there are almost always ads on the screen

[flint widget]

free furies 🤑

500+ hours and im still learning more about this game 💔

[digital juniper]

but that’s what fun about the game

[tall notch]

In Erebus/Oceanus snuffed is definitely a dead pick though isn't it

[digital juniper]

you get to have extra damage on the very last enemy of the room every room!!!

[flint widget]

exactly

plus its free furies so can't complain 🤑

[tawny arrow]

Warm breeze or fire away

[flint widget]

warm breeze all day

fire away sucks

[tawny arrow]

Dunno what it actually kills

LMAO picked warm breeze and got fire away again immediately after from a hermes delivery

[flint widget]

i think it can't kill large projectiles like chronos scythe

idk if cerb fireball get killed by fire away

[surreal hazel]

fire away can be very funny

needs pyro technique to really be a damage dealer though

[tawny arrow]

Had a lvl 6 epic pyro technique and still snuffed it at prom

Bro doesn't miss leg day

[surreal hazel]

He's a master of Ti Kwan Leap

[frank siren]

early access, the projectile destruction was on the sprint

it made eris soooo easy

[surreal hazel]

but literally only that

it was my least picked sprint boon and it wasn't even close

(even now it's a very oddball choice since Hestia really really wants you to have a source of scorch to make most of her kit and duos work)

even back when soot sprint inflicted scorch, it still wasn't a valid pre-req for scorch enhancing boons like highly flammable to appear

[sacred edge]

Those were the days…

[vital wave]

it's probably often asked but does blackened thingy from medea conserves it's effect even if I take it off ?

[surreal hazel]

it does not

[vital wave]

okkkk sadge

tysm !

[tawny arrow]

Yo what's the point behind harm for the afflicted?

More like a brief sense of mild discomfort for the afflicted

[fiery kraken]

does "increased cast damage" apply to the scorch from a cast? probably not right?

[median anvil]

yep, it applies more scorch

[fiery kraken]

oh, applies more scorch? That's pretty nice

[median anvil]

but the scorch will tick down at 100 per second regardless

[fiery kraken]

What about psychic leash? Is that also "cast" damage?

[median anvil]

nope

only way to buff it is through global damage boosts

[fiery kraken]

kk

[queen surge]

Or Hephaestus legendary!

[slender oriole]

will prob have been kinda outscaled by the time you get it though

maybe i just dont understand it somehow but i really hate circe i feel like even if i hit every omega cast buff in the game it still just does piss dmg

[regal cobalt]

i was SO CLOSE to beating typhon with zorephet finally and then the stupid tounge laser got me

[median anvil]

circe is about getting a decent cast boon then going all in on staff's moveset

[alpine raft]

then dont omega cast

[regal cobalt]

uhhh ok aspect of supay is really weird how am i supposed to play this effectively

[viral yew]

Ignore the sprint thing, go all in on flat damage

[regal cobalt]

ok

[median anvil]

blitz and hitch and scorch and splash

[regal cobalt]

ok

thanks

[flint widget]

im currently doing a supay 62f run

ill send the vod on the victory boasting channel if i get it

im outside tho so when i get back im instantly locking in

[narrow steeple]

does scorch still cap at 999?

i thought i had heard the actual stack got bigger.. but the graphic stopped at 999

[alpine raft]

only godsent goes above

[narrow steeple]

Ahh.. so at some point.. you need Pyro Technique to keep burning harder

[scarlet ferry]

Also Freezer Burn

[narrow steeple]

Well.. in the run I just did.. I didn't have Demeter, so that's a non-starter.

[zealous crag]

Is freezer burn actually good? According to the wiki (which I know can be outdated), activating the effect causes you to be locked out of applying scorch again for 2 seconds. Even if you do twice the scorch immediately, wouldn't you have done more damage overall by just sustaining scorch, especially with pyro technique?

[fiery kraken]

try it out, but it's pretty awesome if you time it right

[zealous crag]

Also, freeze can't take effect again for another 10 seconds, so it's not even activating that often, right?

[scarlet ferry]

Sometimes you need quicker damage

[fiery kraken]

stack a lot of scorch and then hit your freeze

it's a noticeable damage bump

a little worse if you have freeze on your primary attack

[zealous crag]

Wait... you're right. Even with a godly pyro technique, scorch is doing 300 dps. If freezer burn does 2x 999, that's 999 effective dps for the 2-second lockout.

Scorch is annoying to think about.

[scarlet ferry]

And even if they don’t die, you can get easy hits for 2 seconds

Mixing it with Demeter’s legendary is funny cause you can skip a ton of a boss’s final phase which is the hardest phase lol

[zealous crag]

A ton? How many bosses have a final phase less than 10% of their health? Scylla and Eris?

That's it, right?

[scarlet ferry]

I didn’t mean “a ton of boss’s final phases.” I meant “a ton of the final phase.”

Even if the final phase is more than 10% of their hp, you’re still spending less time in that phase comparatively

[zealous crag]

Oh, that makes more sense.

[scarlet ferry]

And I have to assume Hitch is really fun with Freezer Burn. Maybe Hera sprint or cast

[zealous crag]

Hitch goes with everything.

I wonder what the ideal god pool would be for a mostly blast build. Heph, Apollo, Demeter, and Hestia, right? For Cryo Pounder, Rude Awakening, and Chain Reaction.

[scarlet ferry]

You want Poseidon for his duo

I’d take out Demeter

[tropic hazel]

Do you guys skip a good god boon to go to Chaos? In H2I feel like Chaos boons are very weak.

[zealous crag]

Wait, Demeter conflicts with Apollo for requirements.

[scarlet ferry]

And Apollo’s duo is just better

[scarlet ferry]

I think it’s less that they’re weak and more that there’s more variety. So, you’re not as likely to get something you want

[zealous crag]

With a FW run, it's not so bad getting the cooldowns to 2 seconds, at which point the Poseidon duo doesn't do as much. However, he has more options for requirements, so maybe that's the play.

[scarlet ferry]

You still need a good amount a poms to get a common Heph boon to the lowest cooldown

[zealous crag]

Not if I need that god in my pool. Otherwise, I think some of the Chaos boons are pretty fun.

[zealous crag]

Yes, but with FW, it's not as hard.

Definitely gives you a head start.

[scarlet ferry]

Either way I still rather Poseidon over Demeter. Their duo helps with Poseidon’s gain as well

[zealous crag]

Oh yeah, that's right. Though, I'm not sure how much the gain would be used in a mostly blast run.

[scarlet ferry]

Depends on the weapon

[fiery kraken]

isn't poseidon duo still ~25% dps assuming you can hit as often as the cooldown?

[zealous crag]

Hmm... Yeah, even though the cooldown would only decrease by 0.5 seconds, that's still a pretty big percentage.

[grim current]

I wish Hestia's Rush boon granted "+3s grace period from fire hazards" instead of "maximum of 1 DMG received from fire hazards".

[zealous crag]

How are you supposed to take advantage of Mel skull's extra power? Sniping? Wide Grin?

Wait, it doesn't benefit from Wide Grin?

[vernal quiver]

Just fire all 4 then special

[zealous crag]

I'll keep that in mind. I kind of like the 1 attack, 1 special combo for Medea more, but I'll still give this a try.

[tall notch]

spamming attack lets you play it a lot more ranged which is fun

these skulls have RANGE

[fiery kraken]

@median anvil is there a trick here to knowing which side room will open?
https://youtu.be/N0EuVzOOIng?si=B3EOHcexvNegKCwO&t=315

You seem to start walking into the room before it even opens up

or was that just pure luck

[alpine raft]

doors have x's on them if they wont open

[fiery kraken]

I never noticed that

[zealous crag]

I had no idea.

[alpine raft]

theres also something like 7 rooms that always have major rewards

[grim current]

If the player could choose when to use Concave Stone, how much more powerful would it be?

Gods know it needs a buff.

[cerulean panther]

Extremely.

[fiery kraken]

yeah having it brick a build because it took a sacrifice boon was an experience I never want to repeat

[cerulean panther]

How often would it see usage on the very first boon of a run?

Even with randomly selecting a boon. Someone posted a JPom start a few days ago choosing between Heaven Strike, Storm Ring, and Static Shock.

[frank siren]

Huh? You can get all those with jpom in erebus with some luck

[cerulean panther]

You're not wrong, and yet I can still say that starting a Circe run with both Heaven Strike and Storm Ring, even level 1, would be a huge swing in higher Fear runs.

I clarified what I meant, the first boon of their run was an insane selection.

So getting a second boon from that pick would be crazy.

Though you'd probably take Concave Stone in 2nd or 3rd biome so you could better benefit from either JPom or rerolls to set up the start of a run.

[grim current]

I wish Wells of Charon had a burlap sack boon similar to Shrines of Hermes.

[fiery kraken]

I am surprised we don't get pools of purging in the overworld route

[tawny arrow]

The olympians have too much ego to just let you purge their boons in their own home turf

[grim current]

Still. You'd think there'd be a 4th station when there seems to be space for it.

[hidden briar]

is there any one god aspect of momus wants or do most of them work?

[grim current]

Maybe not Poseidon/Hestia's strike/flourish.

[frank siren]

Wow that is an excellent lore reason

[low dome]

whats the best wep?

[alpine raft]

best for what

[narrow steeple]

does Winner's Circle screw Smolder Ring out of scorch damage?

[broken spoke]

Kinda

[alpine raft]

yes, im not sure if it loses 1 or 2

[broken spoke]

Your ring last shorter ofc it has less time to apply scorch

[narrow steeple]

it applies fewer instances of the ring's damage

i dont think it'll matter in this case.. im using aspect or circe

[fiery kraken]

Definitely matters. You're getting double screwed

[viral yew]

Yeah winners circle on circe with any dot cast is no good

[grim current]

Winner's Circle actively dissonates with Aphrodite, Hestia, & Zeus' Ring boons. All others are either unaffected or actively benefit from Winner's Circle.

[grim current]

Circe doesn't bode well with Ares Ring boon when the Damocles Sword Curse doesn't stack.

[narrow steeple]

Hera too, i thought.. it only counts once

[alpine raft]

but think about all the hitch

[spiral wadi]

hera cast circe isn't terrible u just need really good atk/ special for dmg on bosses

[viral yew]

Same with poseidon

[viral yew]

Still better than pos or ares

[umbral horizon]

I love Froth, it trigger easily on Circe Leash

[viral yew]

the cast is horrible for circe it's not worth it

[grim current]

What? Poseidon's Ring boon's splash DMG has the same 0.15s cooldown as strike/flourish?!

[cerulean panther]

Yes and no?

Tidal Ring will hit multiple enemies simultaneously, but two Tidal Rings overlapping will not hit a single enemy twice.

[grim current]

I guess the only way for two Tidal Rings to hit the same enemy twice is with a non-Lightning Lance ranged Cast boon.

A shame it still has a 0.15s cooldown to dissonate with Circe.

[spark crown]

@viral yew my protege @bitter wren is gonna do 50f (cuz he read up on the beef )

-# he has a lot to learn

[vernal quiver]

hes gonna get 60 before you do icl

[grim current]

"My friend. My protoge. It seems our calculations were correct. The world spins on a strange & terrifying axis, and everywhere: unbridled consequence."

[scarlet ferry]

What god is good on special for Nergal? I'm using Demeter on attack

[broken spoke]

Good question because i don't use the special

[scarlet ferry]

lol

So far I have Ares and Aphrodite in my pool

[spiral wadi]

prob just poke with smth random but special is also super ass on nergal

could consider wounds into grievous

[scarlet ferry]

yeah

[broken spoke]

Idk would i bother to click that just to apply wound tbh

[spiral wadi]

omega special is also ass like there's zero reason to use it over omega attack ever

[broken spoke]

Maybe if I get psychic whirlwind

[spiral wadi]

i mean there's not many other things, blasts blitz etc r prob fine

in fact could just do special-less nergal

[scarlet ferry]

just got Aphro cast but wanna get meat grinder for Demeter + Ares duo

[spiral wadi]

ignore it unless ur not running denial vow then could just fill it so u don't get offered special over and over

meat grinder is good ye

well i mean the duo is fun

[scarlet ferry]

Dont know who to get for magic regen

[spiral wadi]

meat grinder doesn't get buffed from duo which is dumb cuz it should

[scarlet ferry]

Hestia is in the shop so maybe her?

[spiral wadi]

prob ye

[scarlet ferry]

hope it's at least rare

[broken spoke]

Even ares gain is enough for nergal

[scarlet ferry]

I guess

And the hestia gain im being offered is common...

And im not using jPom

[spiral wadi]

plasma itself is prob most valuable on axe/nergal to get atks out

jpom-less plasma boons are terrible tho

[scarlet ferry]

yeah. I have one of the plasma boons

[viral yew]

yeah but you cant apply cast every 0.15s, and it doesnt double with circe

[viral yew]

Peak

[spiral wadi]

unless u have glowing or howling then it doubles

[scarlet ferry]

Oooooh Artemis

Epic Pressure Points

[scarlet ferry]

Any rarity where theyre still good?

[viral yew]

No

[scarlet ferry]

rip

Guess I wait for Hestia gain again

[spiral wadi]

sanguinary savor

[scarlet ferry]

nvm jsut died at Hecate cause im dumb

[spark crown]

sadly not - plasma enjoyer

[bronze flax]

I like the Eruption upgrade of Night Bloom, it gives an edge over the one that makes the Servant lasts the whole battle instead. It gives a sense to summon it again and again

[scarlet ferry]

Is Glamour Gain lowkey not bad on aspect of Nyx?

Cause the onlt omega I'm using is the sprint

[broken spoke]

Its ok

[scarlet ferry]

Luckily I got it at epic too

[bronze flax]

Yeah, Glamour Gain is good with Nyx

[scarlet ferry]

Do rockets sent out from Launcher Frame prock Artemis' support fire and shoot an arrow?

[broken spoke]

As long as support fire isn't on cd and at limit

[scarlet ferry]

kk ty

I also have Zeus on special. If I get Air Quality it's gonna go crazyyyyyy

my attack is Hestia

[verbal island]

That duo boon that increases keepsake level is so peak.. 40% damage to Eris, that girl is DEAD

[viral yew]

Of all the upgraded keepsakes you pick one of the worst for region 2 😭

[verbal island]

yeah.. I still got my ass kicked but at least she died faster 💔

[viral yew]

Stop using evil eye and your life will get so much better

[odd bolt]

Cheirloom evil eye 🥀

[verbal island]

What trinket do you recommend Instead? For Eris, at least

[grim current]

Knuckle Bones & Engraved Pin is everyone's favorite boss trinket.

[verbal island]

Knuckle bones my beloved

[umbral horizon]

I just figure out plasma also boost omega speed on torch a little bit. With Sudden Burst and Metallic Droplet we got 1 omega move per 2 attack, so speed up attack also make omega faster.

[alpine raft]

plasma does increase channel speed

[umbral horizon]

it buffs the animation omega speed on Torch as I read. Not channel speed

[viral yew]

That's what channel speed is

[umbral horizon]

just try on Anubis, it boost the omega attack but not special, same with Torch. So many questions about plasma right now.

[viral yew]

Special oattack charge hits the ingame limit because it's already so fast

[umbral horizon]

What about other weapons? Have you tested it on Axe or Blade?

[viral yew]

No, but I know it works by increasing channel speed, which is the same as the animation

[grim current]

Is there a Nectar sink anywhere?

Am I going to endlessly accumulate it?

[surreal hazel]

what "attack speed" actually changes is weirdly weapon specific, with some things being heavily affected and other things really not

get 100% plasma bonus on the torches and you will truly fire your attack twice as fast... but your special feels untouched

[alpine raft]

100 plasma on torches also removes all friction from the ground

[sand quail]

For momus staff if I have Apollo legendary will the repeat casts also be doubled or just the main one?

[viral yew]

Just the first one

[sand quail]

Thanks. I suspected that

[surreal hazel]

not actually true

[surreal hazel]

Exceptional Talent has a special interaction with momus

it adds one extra pulse to oSpecial and oAttack

it's actually terrible

[viral yew]

Oh so it's one at the end and not at the start

[surreal hazel]

yeah, with the same spacing

compare mirrored thasher, which adds three extra oAttack pulses and halves the delay

[viral yew]

Absolutely insane

[surreal hazel]

dual moonshot is different again, you get three pulses of doubleshots

I think with mirrored and ET... you get 7 pulses, that'll be +30 mana cost please

with mel/circe, you get 4 pulses rapidly

[tawny arrow]

Mirrored thrasher my beloved
Only reason to ever pick power surge

[flint widget]

just got my fastest supay 62f run without a rush boon

[umbral horizon]

So if we got both Exceptional Talent and mirrored thasher on Momus. How many pulses we trigger per 1 oattack?

[surreal hazel]

7 or 8, i forget

[regal cobalt]

i maxed out aspect of pan but i assume i need to max our artemis in order to get the hidden aspect

[flint widget]

as long as u have maxed out one non mel aspect and u have all non hidden aspects ur basically good

u just have to find artemis and get the waking phrase

if she doesnt give u waking phrase just continue along with the game until she finally give u the phrase

[regal cobalt]

okk

[surreal hazel]

Easily a top tier upgrade, even on the two aspects that grant no bonuses to attacks

Absolute dream pick on momus, and not applicable to anubis

[umbral horizon]

Anubis also have an "extra omega attack" hammer

[surreal hazel]

Mirrored Ankh, yeah, because mirrored thrasher functionally wouldn't work on anubis

[flint widget]

if mirrored thrasher existed on anubis poseidon attack would be meta

[tawny arrow]

Zeus or aphro attack on medea
Aphro would go crazy but zeus gets origination and blitz is always baller

[flint widget]

aphro

zeus special exists

[tawny arrow]

Good point

[surreal hazel]

It wouldn't work

[tawny arrow]

And i'll leave ares behind i think

[surreal hazel]

it would try to spawn a field, and then spawn a new one 0.2 seconds later, wiping the first

[flint widget]

eh ares gets u wounds which is a curse

[tawny arrow]

Just gonna use aphro cast with zeus special

[flint widget]

exactly

[tawny arrow]

Bye bye ares

[surreal hazel]

glamour gain is fine on medea, you can just use it for the damage reduction and curse

of course you'll roll Possessed array the room after picking glamour gain

and suddenly glamour gain is not okay

[umbral horizon]

But glamour gain also disable the huntress

[tawny arrow]

Holy Hel, medea has wide grin?????

[flint widget]

yeah

[tawny arrow]

Does it do what i think it does

[flint widget]

yeah wide grin sucks on medea

[surreal hazel]

lil bit, but if you're blitzing, then that's not your main damage source

[tawny arrow]

What? Saves me time and finger pain

[surreal hazel]

and you're already on +90% additive

[surreal hazel]

Stop. Loading. Multiple. Shells.

[flint widget]

exactly

[odd bolt]

No dont do it

[tawny arrow]

I'm not doing all 4 usually just like 2
And never using omegas

[surreal hazel]

wide grin makes you overkill the first enemy and makes you wait before you can properly attack the next

[odd bolt]

Wide grin will make you load all 4

[tawny arrow]

Thought doing all 4 with wide grin could be cool tho

[odd bolt]

Which means you'll need to do attack special special

[surreal hazel]

it slows you down like crazy

[odd bolt]

To get all 4 back

That just sucks tremendously

[tawny arrow]

Fetching or bolstered array for today

[surreal hazel]

But I can see why you think it would be better. Honestly? Don't listen to us, try it

[tawny arrow]

I know it sucks but it would be cool

[flint widget]

fetching ngl

[surreal hazel]

you can only really get it by experiencing it, it's unintuitive that it slows you down that much

Medea really is very picky on her hammers

boosted ignition being a bit of a sleeper hit

(because one of the properties doesn't work at all, so it seems bad, but you'd be wrong)

[digital juniper]

ngl i never even knew boosted made the projectiles faster on mel/perse

[surreal hazel]

it's written right there

[digital juniper]

i just like the extra base power, could never complain if i do get boosted

[digital juniper]

monke brain sees +power monke brain picks it up

[surreal hazel]

well yeah, extra base power on an aspect that comes packed with a +90% bonus is pretty dang nice

[umbral horizon]

How does it count with Wide Grin? All 4 skull is buffed?

[surreal hazel]

...that's a good question

[tawny arrow]

Would it really make a difference if i do zeus special and aphro atk vs the opposite?
Cus zeus is giving me either his atk or useless whatever boons

I guess zeus special would be a lot better cus it activates before atk tho...

[digital juniper]

on medea? zeus special is better by a massive margin

[digital juniper]

exactly!

[flint widget]

just take whatever but not attack

[tawny arrow]

Well then
I guess i have to pick divine vengeance

[flint widget]

% attack is ideal

[tawny arrow]

Curse the fates

[flint widget]

just get apollo next and anus affront gaming

[odd bolt]

Aphro special becomes goated if you have colossus driver

[surreal hazel]

the special hits first, then the attack detonates

[digital juniper]

WHAT affront

[surreal hazel]

so you want blitz to apply on the special and get detonated by the attack

[tawny arrow]

That's exactly what i said

[surreal hazel]

yeah, and that's why

[flint widget]

heinous has similar pronunciation to anus

[tawny arrow]

Is there any point in having a gain with medea

[flint widget]

parray exists

but u need born gain for that

[surreal hazel]

for the duos you want?

or for when you get possessed array

if the latter, floooooood gain

[tawny arrow]

Won't be able to apply wounds if i have zeus and aphro in main slots
Unless i get ares atk which is a bit silly

[umbral horizon]

Athena also have vengeance boon as i remember.

[surreal hazel]

Does not

[flint widget]

ares attack is good on medea tho

[surreal hazel]

well, does, but it doesn't proc for affront iirc

[flint widget]

but if ur running whim

not worth it to keepsake ares

[surreal hazel]

but yeah you need vicious strike/flourish to even get affront, not even fourth degree counts

[flint widget]

just go with flow

[tawny arrow]

How?

[surreal hazel]

+50 base damage on a natural +90% aspect plus boon plus globals...

[tawny arrow]

I'm spamming them with explosions and only the first one will do anything

Oh yeah medea has +90%

Anus affront it is i guess

[surreal hazel]

yeah, if anything medea is the best place to use vicious strike and flourish

[umbral horizon]

SP should add some vengeance boons for more options. Heinous is too hard to setup

[digital juniper]

SP?

[flint widget]

im assuming bomber meant sgg

[digital juniper]

oh yeah that would make sense

[umbral horizon]

sg =))

[flint widget]

tbh that would make heinous way too op

[surreal hazel]

Light Smite is already weirdly OP

[digital juniper]

ironically even if they did, none of em would be better than light smite lmao

[flint widget]

light smite anus affront exists which is already op enough

[surreal hazel]

oddly Self Healing is listed internally as a Revenge boon

[digital juniper]

technically it makes sense, since it does only take into effect after getting hit

[tawny arrow]

Blood spree goes crazy on medea

[surreal hazel]

obviously doesn't do anything for heinous affront, but Consequence on Night Bloom does cause Self healing to be given to your summon

[umbral horizon]

Remove Ares's vengeance boon and add another helpful boon

[surreal hazel]

and while it's not an acceptable prereq, unseen ire is procced by Heinous affront and it's really good

[surreal hazel]

I actually think it's the better of the two non-tier plasma boons

[digital juniper]

as op as it would’ve been, if it bypassed the cd that would’ve been so funny

[surreal hazel]

sadly not even seismic servo reduces the cooldown

(Only reduces olympian cooldowns)

except mental block, or the hidden scorch lockout on freezerburn

Servo is weird

[odd bolt]

Just rework plasma

[surreal hazel]

it's honestly fine, what's probably wonkiest about it is that different weapons respond differently to attack speed bonuses

[odd bolt]

I think it would be fine if it didn't need pickup and if the buff was better

Or in other words, make the legendary the default behavior and change the legendary to something else

[surreal hazel]

ehhh, with the big pickup range and out-of-bounds pickup trigger I think it's fine

I used to think it was weak but honestly I've been working fine with it

[tawny arrow]

Whomever invented thessaly needs to be sent to tartarus