h2-builds-and-combat

[flint widget]

i agree except triple laser beam on max frenzy exists

and big orange exploding balls of death exist

and as a medea player it's bane of my existence

[median anvil]

she's easier until you turn on frenzy2

[fiery kraken]

momus on frenzy 2 has felt really difficult. It's hard to find space and time to drop an omega in a meaningful spot. Just play it like a powered down mel staff?

[frank siren]

so I turn on Frenzy 2 for speedrunning and I have done a few Momus runs and... it's just worse than Mel staff because I'd rather spam Omegas and the delay between additional Omegas does make it hard to position them in an impactful way.

plus, missing the extra magick from the Mel staff means I need to bring Hecuba over Raki. I use the extra base special damage for just finishing off far away mobs more than anything as the hammers are way better for attacks vs specials

[odd bolt]

I mean momus isn't really a crazy Speedrun aspect

But I think the idea is to use each omega once then go for regular attacks and specials while your repeat omegas go off no?

Again, I don't know how effective this is for speedruns, might go crazy with specific hammers

[fiery kraken]

yeah it's not speedrunning. I'm trying to do 32 fear for all aspects overworld

[frank siren]

momus is good against like... stationary targets but on frenzy 2, the mobs are too sporadic

and they're way faster so the extra omegas that pop off dont do much

[odd bolt]

Yeah the aspect kinda falls off on frenzy 2

Not much to say, its definitely possible to do 32 with it even on frenzy 2

But it's harder than like mel or circe

[frank siren]

oh on fear 32? you don't need frenzy 2 for 32 fear

[odd bolt]

I rather have frenzy 2 than other things for 32 fear

[frank siren]

but if youre used to it then its free

[odd bolt]

But I have frenzy 2 all the time I legit don't know when was the last time I took it off

[fiery kraken]

I'm doing frenzy 2 + rivals 4 + timer 4 as my base because I want to set myself for clearing 50 fear, which requires all of those

[frank siren]

gotcha

[fiery kraken]

but I guess it's not exactly necessary for this specific run

[frank siren]

it IS better to just get used to frenzy 2 overall

the base speed feels so much easier

[tawny arrow]

Also known as the thessaly street sweeper

[glossy crest]

how can i send images

[narrow steeple]

To me, Ares seems like one of those gods that isnt flashy at all.. but once you build up a bunch of h is synergizing boons... you're just BETTER. Not flashy like zeus or heph, or singluar huge numbers or anything.. it just feels like you're stronger, overall.

[fiery kraken]

what do you like about him?

[alpine raft]

grievous blow and mutual destruction

[narrow steeple]

the % on mutual destruction is so low.. i only really take it if im not really buliding deep ares, or if i already have everything for Sanguinary Savior. I can't really put my finger on what exactly it is.. but anytime i build ares, it just feels better. Not flash or big numbers, almost like he's just an overall force multiplier for everything.

and for some reason.. i almost never actually get offered Grievous Blow.

[fiery kraken]

I definitely like grievous blow, but I feel mixed on mutual destruction. It's good but only if I'm getting hit a lot and my life total is low. Typically I like trying to be near max as much as possible (I like my safety) .

I do agree the increased speed and attack speed for the plasma is nice, but if I'm not on a skull aspect, I find there's a lot of friction picking them up

[narrow steeple]

when i get ares early.. i just try and bulid for Sanguinary Savoir and/or Universal Donor.

[fiery kraken]

I find heph/demeter (safety) or hera/zeus (blitz/hitch for damage) much more appealing as a whole. I don't mind ares he's just a low priority typically

[narrow steeple]

sure that makes sense. I don't really think Ares woudl be the core of any heavy hitting build. I just like him, anytime i build deep ares it just works, for me.

for me if im using him, its always a primary god, with ares as secondary

[alpine raft]

only requirement is attack or special

[narrow steeple]

oh i know. I just never seem to get it offered to me.

[frank siren]

i want to like ares but his entire kit is doodoobutts without the legendary.

his duo boons are also not that great, which makes me actively avoid him

[alpine raft]

heinous affront though 👀

[frank siren]

its ok... it just takes too much RNG to get reliably

[alpine raft]

oh for sure i think its only good w apollo

[median anvil]

grisly gain is a sleeper hit on some aspects

[frank siren]

is it? I would take tough gain over it

[flint widget]

also general grievous exists

[frank siren]

hello there?

[flint widget]

https://tenor.com/view/general-kenobi-kenobi-general-hello-there-star-wars-gif-13723705

grievous blow redeems ares so much

[median anvil]

had grisly for my nergal 62 surface

only started to struggle towards the end of bossfights

[frank siren]

i still feel like if I'm going Ares, I'm going all in on Ares and fishing for the legendary the whole time

[tropic hazel]

Dammit - fiorst time ||Cerberus on Rivals 3|| whopped my ass. I think missing a sprint cost me dearly

[spark crown]

Ares non core redeems ares

[scarlet ferry]

his attack, special, and cast are good

[tropic hazel]

What's combo for blades? Attack,attack, special?

[scarlet ferry]

special > dash strike > some number of attacks/dash strikes

after the attacks you get out and start with special again

If you get trick knives just spam dash strike

[tropic hazel]

Whats blades should I be using?

[scarlet ferry]

What do you have unlocked?

[tropic hazel]

I don't have hidden one

[scarlet ferry]

And what fear are you playing with if any

[tropic hazel]

I just did 32 fear with melinoe staff today

[vernal quiver]

out of non hidden knives iirc mel is best

[scarlet ferry]

Pan is bad at higher fear because you never have the time to stand still and charge up the Omega special fully.

Mel's and Artemis' aspect are alright, but Mel's is better I'd say.

[vernal quiver]

pan is kinda inconsistent and lowkey dysfunctional and artemis idk like 2 people have played it ever(its cleared 67 though so thats cool)

[odd garden]

at higher fear u just ignore the ospec

its better to just dash strike special

[scarlet ferry]

@tropic hazel Just put Aphrodite or Apollo on attack for Mel blades and you get big damage. Then put something like Ares, Zeus, or Demeter on special.

[odd garden]

or dash strike strike special

[vernal quiver]

everything becomes melinoe staff combo eventually 🥀

[tropic hazel]

I'm asking more for jeweled pom aspects. I really enjoy this keepsake.

[fiery kraken]

how do you get big damage with % on blades? I thought blades would want an on hit effect on attack?

[scarlet ferry]

This still works for Jpom. If Aphrodite and Apollo aren't in the god pool you can still put and perctange attack boon on it and be fine

[fiery kraken]

and also special really - I don't know how to use the special effectively honestly

[scarlet ferry]

which blades

[fiery kraken]

you said for mel blades

[scarlet ferry]

Because it does a ton of extra damage when striking from behind

[odd garden]

either, especial in jpom the difference is lessened substantially

[fiery kraken]

are you using omega attack ?

even with 100% that's just +20 damage per attack or something?

it's like 20 or 15 base unless you hit the last hit of the combo isn't it?

[scarlet ferry]

Zeus, Ares, Demeter, or even Hephaestus can be good on it. Hephaestus and Ares let you throw out some chunk damage before going in with attacks. Demeter freeze is always nice especially since the blades' melee is such short range. And Zeus is good because blitz is good lol.

[odd garden]

oattack on blades isnt great, unless you're doing smthn like artemis blades with the idea of sweeping ambush or wicked onslaught for possible hammers

(except morrigan oattack, that stuff rocks)

[scarlet ferry]

It's 24 base. 24 base is plenty enough when you're getting super high percents

+100% from the backstab

+80% from lvl1 common Aphrodite attack

+50% if you also get common lvl1 Back Burner

Aphrodite can also raise basew damage with Secret Crush

and the blades attack really fast

[fiery kraken]

so give you 80% from aphro. We'll make it 100

the backstab is the same for comparing - an on hit splash is like 40? and scorch is like 50?

that's just +24 damage for the 100% aphro comapred to 40?

feels like it's only really good if you're increasing base damage

oh secret crush also adds to base

(I don't actually know the numbers, I'm just running off of intuition)

[umbral horizon]

Slow cooker help you on it. And plasma give you strike speed for more damage.

[scarlet ferry]

Also Wicked Onslaught hammer

[scarlet ferry]

lvl1 common Poseidon attack hits for 20

The splash does*

[fiery kraken]

I guess I'm working off of jpom numbers since that's what I see

[scarlet ferry]

The backstab bonus also applies to the special which almost always gets a backstab if you hit something to begin with

[fiery kraken]

I'll have to keep an eye out for it

I've not tried it really but maybe there's something there

[umbral horizon]

You could try omega attack. You can deal damage as backstab and the base damage is very strong.

[tropic hazel]

Should I go with Stength or Death on Arcana for 32 F+?

[vernal quiver]

death is always safer

although if youre comfy and not using scars and pain then strength is plenty valid

once you start pushing like 45+ death becomes a norm

[scarlet ferry]

Gale makes me depressed because its the game very loudly pointing out how I got hit by something stupid 😭

[vernal quiver]

or how the slowdown makes it look like you shouldnt of gotten hit in the slightest

[scarlet ferry]

Okay I'm doing a 32f surface run with aspect of Nyx. I'm in Ephyra with Ares attack and Poseidon special, and I have one more door.

Should I go for Apollo or Demeter?

Probably apollo

[vernal quiver]

id go demeter

freeze cast is nutty

[scarlet ferry]

oof

too late

Chose apollow cause I still dont have magic regen

And I hate Demeter's gain

[vernal quiver]

oh for a gain yeah makes sense

[scarlet ferry]

didnt even get offered his gain lol. BUT I got epic lvl4 dash.

Plus, I already have rare Racing Thoughts from Hermes so my sprint is so damn fast lol

If only that one Hades 1 Hermes boon were in the game

[vernal quiver]

quick question actually is the grevious blow and antler crit mixing a 400% damage crit or is it 3^2

[scarlet ferry]

Jpom giving the cast makes me wanna cry

[vernal quiver]

i hate howling soul

whenever i see howling, old grudge, or cinerary i just reset

[scarlet ferry]

Does Fig Leaf deactivate Fates Whim?

[grim current]

No.

Nor does Moon Beam.

[scarlet ferry]

I only like it when I saw it in Tartarus and I'm already using that one hestia boon and/or that one zeus boon

[scarlet ferry]

ty

[vernal quiver]

nope

[grim current]

I must admit. I've been growing away from Lightning Lance, Glowing Coal, & Howling Soul, if only because it dissonates with Messenger. Is it because you play on the gamepad it's so repellent for you? Or is there an underlying reason that's making even me dislike them (even if I still enjoy using them)?

[scarlet ferry]

It's jsut because 9/10 I wanna drop the cast on myself lol

[grim current]

What's up with Cinary Circle? It seems like a perfectly semi-passive way to add DMG to the environment.

[scarlet ferry]

And those boons also make it come out slower

[spark crown]

his gains his best core boon ngl

[vernal quiver]

Its just a nothing effect even for mana weapons

[scarlet ferry]

wild take

[vernal quiver]

I play circe so its useless there, and even when I do play like torches id much rather have anything else since it doesn't do enough damage to justify it

[grim current]

Well, I did have fun with Ares' Gain boon when I had Aspect of Moros

[scarlet ferry]

For those Hex upgrades that say "After using your hex you deal +5% damage for the rest of the encounter," is it jsut once or do you get +5% each time it's used?

[grim current]

I dunno. I just avoid those when I can.

I would assume it stacks with continued use, resetting at the end of the encounter.

[scarlet ferry]

hopefully

I hope I die in this run because it's really not fun

[grim current]

The first real run I had to the surface led me all the way to Prometheus. I hadn't expected I'd survive so long.

[bronze flax]

Once per room, it won't trigger twice if you use the hex twice

[scarlet ferry]

dang

I'm assuming having multiple of the upgrade improves the % tho?

[bronze flax]

Yep

[dusk sandal]

Yall what’s the best god for twin blades?

[scarlet ferry]

Aphrodite

Apollo's good too especially if you get back burner

And Demeter is a good support god for it

[viral yew]

Hestia, poseidon, zeus, or hera

[scarlet ferry]

welp

[viral yew]

Aphro and apollo are good for final slice or oattack builds but otherwise ignore them

[spiral wadi]

aphro spec is pretty nutty with trick knives, obv trick knives kinda just wins game anyway

[vernal quiver]

Shoutout tk for being its own weapon icl

[hushed moat]

any axe buildds

[viral yew]

Which aspect

[hushed moat]

thantos or charon

[viral yew]

Very different builds, so pick one

[hushed moat]

uh thantos

[broken spoke]

When in doubt, psychic whirlwind

[viral yew]

Psychic whirlwind/any %damage attack or zeus

[broken spoke]

Instructions unclear, got ares attack

Why tf it is 20%

[hushed moat]

how do u get psychic whirlwind

[broken spoke]

A hammer

[viral yew]

It's laughable without fates whim

[hushed moat]

ah

[spark crown]

(if you click the link its easier to see) https://imgur.com/G9Geo0f

[viral yew]

I know where you live

[spark crown]

no

[grim current]

Life Tax a good boon?

Well, obviously it is. It's on-demand 150 . But I groan getting it via Jeweled Pom because I know it's not going to last long.

[broken spoke]

You can play recklessly during early now

[grim current]

Good point.

I wish I could ctrl+f Uncanny Fortitude.

That's my favorite non-primary boon.

[spark crown]

it works through scars 3

[vernal quiver]

Don't look at metals tierlist with any level of seriousness

[broken spoke]

Don't even has aspect and keepsake useless list

[grim current]

I didn't figure. But I would like to see if anyone else shares my opinion in Uncanny Fortitude & Trusty Shield being such favorable boons.

Does Scars stack additively with Old Herbal Remedy?

[spark crown]

i have a aspect on but its outdated (for my opinions)

https://i.imgur.com/ZlhycE0.png

[grim current]

???

Does Scars stack additively with Old Herbal Remedy?

[spark crown]

uhhhhhh

@vernal quiver your smart tell this person

[grim current]

If it does, it means max Scars can be non-zero healing with Old Herbal Remedy.

[viral yew]

No

[grim current]

Damn.

Whatever happened to "All %-modifiers stack additively"?

[vernal quiver]

Healing is a bit different twin, if you have 0% healing then 25% of 0 is still 0

Scars2/1 it basically gets rid of a level

[viral yew]

Scars 3 means 0 healing from most sources

There are some exceptions

[grim current]

I figure. It's just that Darkest Dungeon's "+/-x healing received" stacked additively. It's good to nullify--or at least resist-- 's -100% Healing Received with a few extra tools.

[viral yew]

STOP TALKING ABOUT THAT GAME

Its mechanics have no relevance here

[grim current]

Honestly, I only mentioned it so I can use the emoji.

[vernal quiver]

This goes hard asf

But yeah think of scars not as like an additive value but more as it just sets your healing to be smaller base %

[grim current]

So it stacks multiplicatively.

[vernal quiver]

So its not like say 100 - scars2 = healing but rather that 100 gets changed from scars

[thin gazelle]

Scars 3 is just a x0 multiplier

[viral yew]

No, scars 3 just sets it to 0

[thin gazelle]

(If you think about it)

[vernal quiver]

Ig it'd be more appropriate to say scars is like (every healing amount and modifier) * scars

[grim current]

Enemies with the are susceptible to .

[thin gazelle]

Yeah, it’s a multiplier that is always applied at the end

[alpine raft]

you're underrating evade from echo for sure

[vernal quiver]

Where is it i dont wanna have to look through that mess

[alpine raft]

top b

[vernal quiver]

Insane work tbh

Im waiting for bro to clear 60 and his opinions change

[thin gazelle]

Righteous pike in bottom tier is madness

[alpine raft]

discovery above stuff that actually helps

[thin gazelle]

This has to be rage bait right

[alpine raft]

actually it shouldve been obvious from the s tier

keep it up metal nobody has opinions like you

[grim current]

[cerulean panther]

Suffering on Sight, Old Grudge, and Fire Away in S? Damn, we all got trolled again. Metal is good at this.

[grim current]

Oh yeah. I've forgotten how good Lovers is.

Too bad I spent my 3 Grasp on Artificer when I was told it's subpar versus non-region 4 bosses.

It's gonna be a pain to equip it in Change of Fates builds.

[cerulean panther]

Only time I take Lovers off is usually for Nergal, which has insane health regen. Artificer only goes on in Fate's Whim builds.

[grim current]

Really?

Seems like direct upgrade in the endgame.

Meta-endgame, I specify.

[cerulean panther]

The Queen requires you only have two of any Grasp-costing-card.

So The Enchantress, which gives 3 rerolls and lets you reroll location Rewards, takes precedence.

[grim current]

It's not as much of a priority to me than Divinity.

If I manage to get The Queen. That's cool too.

[spark crown]

Its not

[spark crown]

Suffering on site is a free ward clear means faster times, old grudge has been my fav since i first got it and fireaway helps a ton on surface

[spark crown]

discovery is just all round good

a remider how i feel about each boss (some are gonna change soon™)https://i.imgur.com/Zyz697B.png

[broken spoke]

Sad cerb

[vital otter]

Id switch out cerb and eris

[alpine raft]

you know that's the gathering one right

[split solstice]

With aspect of Madea, which hits first: the explosion attack or the omega special

[alpine raft]

ospecial but hopefully ospecial will never hit at all

[split solstice]

Ah ok… but does that mean duo boons like freezer burn are bad on it?

[alpine raft]

it could work but i think pyro technique would be better

[split solstice]

Tbh I was gonna do the Zeus x Poseidon one

[alpine raft]

hestia on medea attack/special is iffy but anything works on that weapon

[spark crown]

yes

(room rewards imo) https://i.imgur.com/frdSEsP.png

tho icarus might get droped to last if he keeps screwing m over

[alpine raft]

yess i hope his wings fail again

[spark crown]

HERASEY

[spiral wadi]

me when icarus shows up the final thessaly encounter forcing me to deal with 2 straight minutes of hordes 100

(he doesn't offer the 100 armor)

[odd bolt]

Icarus and nat Athena are double agents working for Chronos fr

[spark crown]

Icarus's blessings so bad they are all in a Row but 1

[broken spoke]

At least athena clear out the mob after awhile

Icarus just dropping some 1000 dmg bomb take 3 business day to land

[thin gazelle]

Icarus will usually show up somewhat quickly into the encounter, but Athena takes 5 years to spawn in

[alpine raft]

athena showing up means the encounter is over though, icarus means i have to fight 20 armored auto seekers

[thin gazelle]

She appears when I’m killing the last enemy 💀

[tawny arrow]

Be so fr rn

[regal cobalt]

wtf what is this echo slander

[vernal quiver]

Metal has some interesting takes

[regal cobalt]

echo has great perks imo

favorite is when u get a copy of the last item and it happens to be a boon

[vernal quiver]

Evadex3 is goated

[regal cobalt]

gotten a lot of legendaries that way

fr

got any tips for a moros aspect build

[vernal quiver]

Its a super flexible weapon anything will work

[broken spoke]

As long as you have good gain

[vernal quiver]

Hera special zeus attack is best iirc

[regal cobalt]

ook

i havent played torches at all yet except for like 1 chaos trial

seems like a special focus weaponinstead of attack, and with moros i should be doing attack + special combos i assume?

[broken spoke]

Ospec into atk spam

[vernal quiver]

Yeah special is only there to pop the attacks

[spark crown]

I'm being fr rn

(this was pre 60f sone things have changed)

[regal cobalt]

ooh ok i think im getting the hang of it

[broken spoke]

Unless you are a lunatic who dash in and detonate with regular special

[regal cobalt]

im doingthat lmaooo

[vernal quiver]

No mana moment

[regal cobalt]

it gives more control tho for small enemies

[vernal quiver]

But yeah the whole weapon is just have Ospec up at all times then never press special again until you need to reapply it then hold attack

[regal cobalt]

okok

i assume this is one of those weapons where born gain might be needed

[vernal quiver]

Born/flood/lucid are the best 3 yeah

[regal cobalt]

oh this weapon is goated

i defeated cerberus in like 20 sec

first boon of the night being epic born gain goddamn

[spark crown]

Guys should I do 60f with over 24hrs no sleep

[vernal quiver]

Hell yeah

Ez clear circumstances

[grim current]

I like Icarus' boons. I don't equip it all the time out of fear, but my favorite is Hazard Boom.

[viral yew]

I would say that's his worst boon

[grim current]

I like its design philosphy.

I hadn't observed its 500 DMG to be so dramatic.

[vernal quiver]

The only time I like him is when he gives me 100 armor

Otherwise hes only good for the timer pause

Surface npcs are just kinda buns icl 🥀

[grim current]

I like Athena's boons.

I find Icarus Strike/Flourish boons worth the Prime.

[regal cobalt]

i wish we got athenas boons the same as in hades 1, deflecting attacks & dash were my favorites i used to stack all of them

[vernal quiver]

Issue is jpom already bloats poms

[grim current]

I guess I'll only be feeling Icarus & Athena's subwaves in high heat.

For now, I'm grateful for the free boons.

[spark crown]

who wants me to stream my exaughsted 60f attempts?

[tawny arrow]

We literally have deflecting dash, special, and cast
Having it like in h1 would be WAYYYY too overpowered tho

[tawny arrow]

Go to sleep man

[spark crown]

noh

[vernal quiver]

He's gonna clear 60f tonight trust 🙏

[spark crown]

yeah when i get back on while my mod chats to stream (ive been asked to do things)

[regal cobalt]

yeah but u can only get 1 each night is what i meant

u cant have athenas boons stacked like in h1

[spark crown]

tn trust #self-promotion message

[surreal hazel]

You might be able to get two if you get athena in one run, and on a run after you use the amulet to force her to spawn then use Boon Boon Boon. But that's extremely specific

Sgg don't want you stacking one off boons (jpom excluded)

[regal cobalt]

Yeah true

[surreal hazel]

Echo has a specific exclusion where she can't duplicate gorgon amulet

[broken spoke]

As if that mattered when athena can only spawn once per night anyway

[surreal hazel]

duplicating her keepsake would allow her to spawn twice, but there's a special exception that stops echo doing that

[spark crown]

https://imgur.com/4uO9CjL what should i pick (60f aspect of pan)

[vernal quiver]

Probably blitz atk id assume

That boon selection is my worst nightmare as a circe player 🥀

[cerulean panther]

'Cause of the rarities?

[manic shuttle]

next boon selection will be thunder rush, ionic gain and power surge

[manic shuttle]

probably because it's hard to choose the best among them (edit: all great)

[viral yew]

Rarity doesn't matter, it's more that all 3 are great for circe

[tawny arrow]

I see static shock i pick static shock

[vernal quiver]

All 3 of those are amazing takes, ofc for circe the auto take is cast but it hurts so much to see

[spark crown]

freezer burn = no pyro technique right

in terms of boon choices

https://imgur.com/DEExwC4

[vernal quiver]

Yeah

[spark crown]

I Got check in my chat we good 🔥

[tawny arrow]

Is freezer burn as strong as i think it is?
I mean if i understand correctly you can stack up scorch like crazy and then deal that same amount every second

[tawny arrow]

Like you can basically have a heph blast or more for every second for the duration of your freeze

[surreal hazel]

unless you also have burning desire

[surreal hazel]

Yes, but with a hidden limitation

After freezerburn procs, that victim is immune to scorch for 2 seconds

[spark crown]

just saw someone post game with like 6 keepsakes T_T

They only had 2 garden plots aswell

[flint widget]

wdym 6 keepsakes

[spark crown]

as in the only owned 6 keepsakes

they also only have 2 crop plots

[flint widget]

eh if they're new player that makes sense

[spark crown]

they are very good no fear (they nearly wiped on chronos due to talking to chat XD )

[surreal hazel]

Question for the floor: Is extra dose actually good?

[broken spoke]

Doesn't feel impactful for some reason

Probably because only affect attack and not everytime i am using attack mainly

Feel great on skull ig

By feel good i mean when it show up how happy i am

[spark crown]

yes

[surreal hazel]

The chance does seem pretty small, but I guess it's like a multiplicative bonus on attack

but it's like... a worse version of just attacking faster, Nimble limbs has it totally beat in virtually all cases

[flint widget]

tbh in the niche cases where it's useful it pops off hard

like imagine extra dose proccing on final slice morrigan

[surreal hazel]

I can't think of any other than conserving skull ammo

[surreal hazel]

but is that better than attacking faster to get to final slice quicker all of the time?

I get that I'm comparing apples to oranges a bit here, but I feel like Apollo offers better boons

[tawny arrow]

Extra dose is infinitely faster than any attack speed buffs, but only sometimes

Better for bursting, worse overall

[surreal hazel]

unreliable bursting

[tawny arrow]

That's hades for you

It's all a game of chance

[broken spoke]

It also doesn't scale well with pom and rarity iirc

Look at double strike

[surreal hazel]

yeah, it doesn't

Double strike is mad considering king's ransom

[tawny arrow]

I would only take extra dose if it's high rarity and no other mandatory apollo boon shows up in the pool
AND if i have like scythe or something

[broken spoke]

Even without king ransom double strike still scale better with rarity and pom

[tawny arrow]

But it does have its use

[surreal hazel]

you get a polynomial effect when you have double strike and king's ransom, you get a huge boost to the base damage of whatever lightning strikes you have, and then a much bigger chance to double strike that boosted damage

[broken spoke]

All other double damage boon scale better (both ares crit)

[surreal hazel]

Mutual destruction cannot be pommed, however

[tawny arrow]

Saying that zeus is a better damage god than apollo is like saying typhon is bigger than mel
Like, yeah?

[surreal hazel]

Yeah but this is specifically an apollo boon trying to be a damage benefit, it should be comparable

[broken spoke]

Centaur heart is its pom lol

[tawny arrow]

Apollo is about casts, modifying your physical capabilities, and chance

[surreal hazel]

Funny way to spell water fitness, but yeah, that's true

[tawny arrow]

Poseidon my beloved

[surreal hazel]

Well yeah, but that's the point I'm getting at here, it feels like a bit of a dud amongst a better selection of supportive boons Apollo has

if extra dose did something else as well, then it's a fairer comparison

[manic shuttle]

extra dose good because wispy wiles :p

[surreal hazel]

Although I'd disagree that apollo is about casts, a lot of gods have cast boons,

he's got supernova and prominence flare, which are great, but local climate, hostile environment, gyser spout, Arctic Gale, Meat Grinder exist too

it's all kinda scattered about

Apollo is about bigger

and also Daze

(He's also the biggest headache of all of the gods to implment how his boons work on a technical level)

[tawny arrow]

I would argue that apollo is the dedicated cast god, while other can still have cast boons of course

Half of his kit works around the cast, and benefits massively from winner's circle

[surreal hazel]

Maybe the closest thing to one, but I wouldn't call him the dedicated cast god

[tawny arrow]

Also helps other casts

[surreal hazel]

Winner's circle actively fights against Supernova, but yeah, definitely plays nice with solar ring

[tawny arrow]

Well of course he has other benefits but i call him the cast god same as i would call hera the crowd control goddess

[surreal hazel]

Lucid Gain is probably the most cast-god defining boon

[upbeat matrix]

how does supernova work with winners circle?

[surreal hazel]

But there's so much elsewhere, I honestly feel he's really the size queen

[surreal hazel]

Badly, it expands at the same rate as normal, but ends early anyway

[upbeat matrix]

ooof

[surreal hazel]

but yeah, he's cast support stuff, if you want raw power you want gyser spout, local climate and hostile environment

[tawny arrow]

And prom flare, lucid gain, etc.

[surreal hazel]

yeah, true, but this again isn't unique, winner's circle plays nice with a lot of boons, any ring boon that has a single instance of damage loves it

(Winner's circle is just good)

[tawny arrow]

aspect of charon crying in the corner

[surreal hazel]

I'm not disagreeing exactly, Apollo absolutely helps your casts, but he's supporting them more than the headline act

[tawny arrow]

Which is exactly my point as well

He makes your casts better overall

[surreal hazel]

(And I'm a total sucker for Glorious Disaster, it's terrible, it's great, it's awful and it's amazing)

and glorious disaster is technically an apollo boon, even though it's a duo

[tawny arrow]

More lightning = more better

[surreal hazel]

thinking about his duos, you could argue he's the de-facto support god, so many of his duos support what the other god does

[tawny arrow]

This has been scientifically proven

[surreal hazel]

glorious diaster is one of the few that adds benefits to an apollo thing

his duos actively benefit Aphrodite, Demeter, Ares and Haphestus, is neutral with Hera and is half and half with Posideon and Hestia

and he benefits from Zeus duo

[tawny arrow]

I would say he greatly benefits poseidon since unc probably loves big water balls

[surreal hazel]

it's a neutral waterball though, it doesn't get affected by any of posideon or Apollo's boons

the fact it's water themed is just a visual thing

[tawny arrow]

Yeah but imagine poseidon's reaction

HA HA, NIECE! THAT BALL OF WATER I GAVE YOU LOOKS QUITE FUN TO PLAY AROUND WITH!

[surreal hazel]

it's kinda the same way that I feel that Hail storm is Zeus supporting demeter

the only hard requirement to that duo is being able to freeze someone

beach ball literally has no hard requirements, if echo gives it to you, it will always work

[surreal hazel]

I mean yes, but

[tawny arrow]

I think the most disappointing duo is poseidon and demeter
Water freezes and they couldn't do anything fun with that?

[surreal hazel]

one could argue about if Breaker Rush or Blinding Rush works nicer with beach ball, since you need one of them to get it

[surreal hazel]

Yeah, but they're also the growth gods, so I guess there's that. I do miss the busted nature of the old natural selection

[tawny arrow]

"Your splashes are now freezing and inflict slow/shoot ice shards on enemies"

[surreal hazel]

but the new one has some odd quirks with haphestus

it's one of the few ways to get pom levels of Tough Gain

[tawny arrow]

Pommed tough gain seems incredibly busted

[surreal hazel]

it is

[manic shuttle]

I get Hail Storm on so many runs and never feels like it does much

[tawny arrow]

What if you get that with demeter's thing that reduces damage over 20
And then some other dmg reductions
Basically invincible

[surreal hazel]

Jewelled pom won't affect it, but you can trade a levelled gain for tough gain...

[manic shuttle]

I've yet to see it on the damage table once

[surreal hazel]

No Dice, Frosty Veneer is literally the last step in damage adjustments

[tawny arrow]

BOOOOOO

[surreal hazel]

It's definitely a boon of all time. Literally mid in that it's never detrimental but it's never run defining

[surreal hazel]

Same way that Air Quality is

calculated and applied even after crits

[tawny arrow]

Imagine if AQ applied before everything else

Instant death to anything

[surreal hazel]

Lolye

[manic shuttle]

power surge of duo boons

[tawny arrow]

What is the max dmg reduction you can get?
Off the top of my head, you got -40% from strength, at least 50% from aphro, and then flat reductions like heph

Btw is tough gain calculated before other reductions? I would think so but that sucks

[surreal hazel]

It's multiplicative

Tough gain caps at -10

Python scales can be stacked with itself

[surreal hazel]

I believe so

Also island getaway exists, as does brave face

[still turtle]

Hi, is aspect of anubis that bad or am I using it wrong

[surreal hazel]

You're using it wrong

[still turtle]

how do you use it then

[surreal hazel]

Stop mashing attack

[still turtle]

Don't say use the spam magick build lol

[surreal hazel]

Use omegas, and get a good attack boon

[still turtle]

I'm not doing that 🙂

[surreal hazel]

On hit effects like blitz and hitch are great

[still turtle]

so far I've tried Hera or Zeus on attack and Apollo on special

it still feels so underwhelming

I mean I can probably just spam omega special and use fine line and controlled burn and all that

[surreal hazel]

It's devastating, use spevial to suck in enemies

[still turtle]

But I don't want to, I have aspect of mel for that lol

[surreal hazel]

Also omega attack is bonkers damage

[still turtle]

probably during my previous run my special was not pommed up

i'm gonna give it another go, thank you 🙂

[tall notch]

plant down your attack, get an on-hit effect on the special and fight around your attack zone

positioning is big for anubis, it's a very unique playstyle

or as an alternative to using the special, you can get a damaging rush. my anubis 62 heavily used the poseidon rush

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/925113924855140417/1458086048277069957/image.png?ex=695e5bf3&is=695d0a73&hm=b8243b832c071a88e121e78ea368e94da3c1d1d290f8309763f67cf35a04a36a&

[flint widget]

or u could just get nexus rush and ez game

place down area of death and run around the arena

[fiery kraken]

On hit on attack right?

[tall notch]

preferably, but if jpom doesn't want to give you one % isn't like completely unplayable

[flint widget]

apollo attack especially is so funny

[tall notch]

i feel like discussion about builds is lowkey weird when most of the time, jpom decides the build rather than you

[flint widget]

or u could just reset and pray for another build

also god keepsakes and rerolls exist

[surreal hazel]

not with Jpom

[tall notch]

whats that

[flint widget]

the entire second row of ur keepsakes

and uh bottom left corner of arcana

[tall notch]

???? the arcana has more cards to unlock in the bottom left?

[flint widget]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMTYiLCJjMTciLCJjMjEiLCJjMjIiXQ==

this part

[tall notch]

is this a mod?

i dont have them in my game

[flint widget]

show me

[tall notch]

hold on let me boot it up and show u

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/925113924855140417/1458091184768680018/arcana.jpg?ex=695e60bc&is=695d0f3c&hm=02d1ca7170e54b1d8ea0c298eb32bef411a19b61241da0bd5236831db8a426a1& @flint widget

[flint widget]

interesting

[surreal hazel]

trollololo

[flint widget]

no free money tho

[surreal hazel]

also the boatman is allowed with jpom you silly

[tall notch]

i hda to redact it because otherwise boated would take legal action for copyright infringement

[surreal hazel]

but you removed the boated man

[flint widget]

https://tenor.com/view/say-that-again-say-that-say-that-agian-marvel-fantastic-gif-12441585058103544841

[surreal hazel]

that again

[tall notch]

that agian

[flint widget]

finally got dress intact on 62f

[fiery kraken]

playing shiva at 40 like a hades 1 shield, pretty fun!

toss out the Ospecial, charge up, punch, repeat

and the Oattack blocks while you're punching (or something?) I wasn't taking much damage at all

morph ball hex also contributes - just punching sheep

[regal cobalt]

is there some specific condition for enemies with the morpher perk to appear? its the only one im missing from the bared fangs minor prophecy and ive done so many runs already

[alpine raft]

i've only ever seen one in tartarus

[flint widget]

ive seen dozens of em

it's just rng

[alpine raft]

i think i dont even know the symbol tbh, ive been hit once ever

[regal cobalt]

oh now i finally got it

genuinely went like 10 runs with 0 of the

[narrow steeple]

When using Aspect of Hel, does Colossus Driver (Specials have +30 power and you take -30% damage when using them) apply the whole time the omega special is flying around?

[alpine raft]

almost certain its only while you channel and fire it

[narrow steeple]

boo

[alpine raft]

at least the dr part, power should be to everything

[narrow steeple]

yeah the DR is what i meant.

[thin night]

Assuming you have the relevant keepsake for that god, and a stack of rerolls to use:

Describe a strategy that offers the best odds of getting as many boons from one god in a run as possible

i'm reading this section of the wiki and it doesnt make sense to me https://hades.fandom.com/wiki/Keepsakes/Hades_II#Keepsakes_From_Olympians

Specifically this part:
when a location reward is a Boon (excluding Boons from Hermes and Chaos), it is guaranteed to match the god associated with the equipped Keepsake.

surely that should mean that when i reroll the door of a room it should be that god's boon? but it doesnt, it even switches from one god to another without selecting the keepsake target, i feel like i am wasting rerolls here

[narrow steeple]

be lucky when you go to the surface that Ephyra procs 3 of the god you want.. which, i have found, is NEVER the god you have a keepsake on her

[thin night]

this part
Boon prioritization may also occur when using Change of Fate Change of Fate on a Major Find location, as the reward may randomly change to a Boon.

what does it mean may. the keepsake either works in this context or it doesnt, surely? And it seems it isnt

[narrow steeple]

so the keepsake basically guarantees the first boon.

[alpine raft]

seems like if it becomes a boon, it will use the god keepsake

[thin night]

i'm hoping for more than "be lucky", thats already implied

how can i best maximise my luck

[regal cobalt]

its chance based, the keepsake says a boon of [god] is likely

[narrow steeple]

after that.. if you use a reroll on, say, a hera boon.. but you have the zeus keepsake on.. it will likely reroll into zeus

[narrow steeple]

You really cant. You can influence the gods you get wtih keepsakes, to some extent, and then select boons with rerolls.. but theres really no way to force, say, an entire EPhyra full of Hephastus (for example)

[thin night]

ive just burned through all nine rerolls in erebus and failed to turn any door into a boon for the god i have a keepsake on for

this doesnt seem like a good use of resources

[alpine raft]

if that god is already on a door it really doesnt like to make another

oh in erebus

[thin night]

they havent been on any door, no sign of them since the initial boon

yea im going downwards, because darkness challenge thing

ive restarted this night three times so far because i'm not gonna burn all my rerolls achieving nothing

and hence i request advice on how to use them fruitfully

also what does this mean Boon prioritization does not apply—unless the eligible Olympian pool has reached four or more gods—to the following:

what is the "eligible Olympian pool" ?

[narrow steeple]

But what did it start as? If it wasnt a boon or major reward to begin with.. it'll never roll into one

if you spent 10 rerolls on a bones/ash/nectar door.. you'll never get a boon

[alpine raft]

youll get offered random gods until you have 4, after that all boons you see will be of those 4

[narrow steeple]

unless you force a 5th with a keepsake.

[thin night]

this i did not know!

some were that, some were already boons

[narrow steeple]

ultimately... its, literally, down to RNG.

you can influence the odds... but there are very few, ways to guarantee any result

[thin night]

well thats a defeatist attitude, you just taught me something that was causing me to waste a bunch of rerolls, im sure there are other quirks

[narrow steeple]

even if you DO influence the odds... you can still get something you dont want, becaue thats just how RNGesus is.

[thin night]

yes i want to influence the odds, please tell me every method you know of influencing

[narrow steeple]

its not really defeatist... it's a roguelike.. the very nature is random configurations

keepsakes.

keepsakes will guarantee the very first boon giver. It wont guarnatee you get what you want from them.. but if you wear the Apollo keepsake.. the first boon in your region will be apollo... b ut theres no way to force him to also offer his cast

[alpine raft]

not sure if you are confusing this too, but the god keepsake forcing their boon only happens once

[regal cobalt]

me dying inside when someone in steam discussions was saying that hades 2 hasnt "adapted" to modern games bc the bosses keep regenerating each time u attempt. some ppl just dont know what a roguelike is

[narrow steeple]

Sounds liek that person doesnt want to play a roguelike.. which is totally valid.

[thin night]

yes but it does clearly have other effects beside that, the wiki is just a little unclear about how they work

[alpine raft]

its just that and the rarify

[narrow steeple]

you can rarify a boon based on your keepsake level

[regal cobalt]

true but it was just hilarious they were saying hades 2 is somehow stuck/not adapted to modern games

[thin night]

Does the keepsake extra likelihood effect still apply after you have used the rarify ?

[thin night]

no it isnt just those two things, see the link https://hades.fandom.com/wiki/Keepsakes/Hades_II#Keepsakes_From_Olympians

[alpine raft]

if you havent taken the forced boon it could

[narrow steeple]

i would say probably not... because if you used the rarify.. that means you already got a boon from the god in question

[regal cobalt]

no bc it can only get the likelihood effect onc4e

[regal cobalt]

correct

[alpine raft]

if you skip it until the shop you could but semantics

[narrow steeple]

Extended family effects Scorch damage, right?

[alpine raft]

i dont see what other affect you mean. it forces boons on doors to be the god and gives you one rarify

[thin night]

well first, if it DOES force doors to be that god, it already contradicts what you said earlier

[frank siren]

no one updates the wiki properly so dont take the wiki as gospel but basically, the keepsake only guarantees the first god you find after equipping it

[thin night]

but also if you have 4 gods in your pool it applies to various other sources, like random boon bags

[narrow steeple]

The FIRST boon. When you get the very first boon option.. it will force the god.

[frank siren]

once you find that god, the keepsake is spent

[narrow steeple]

not every boon door.

[regal cobalt]

theres a text pop up in game that indicates when the effect is spen

spent*

[frank siren]

exactly

think of it as a way for you to guarantee that you start a run with a specific god

[regal cobalt]

it forces that god to appear as one of your choices, not that every door will be that god

[alpine raft]

one of your choices if one of the doors is a boon

[regal cobalt]

yes

oh thnak god circe just deactivated my vow of frenzy yippee

[narrow steeple]

you can actually see when the keepsake activates. Its most noticable when zoning into the Mourning fields. You'll be running up towards the first door and the name of the keepsake (likeCloud Bangle or Irridescent Fan) will pop up over your head for a second.

that means the keepsake forced a reward for the upcoming door

[regal cobalt]

yes ^^

[narrow steeple]

I only notice it each tim in mourning fields because the run to the first door is so much longer, and a straight shot

[frank siren]

i havent used a god keepsake in a long long time bwahaha

[thin night]

why not?

[narrow steeple]

Pom runs, i guess

[alpine raft]

fates whim is wayy better and more fun

[narrow steeple]

those are so fun

[frank siren]

oui chef

jeweled pom

[regal cobalt]

god keepsakes r kinda buns tbh

[narrow steeple]

It's so weird.. i do really good with them.. even though theres zero build control.. just gotta YOLO it

[thin night]

can a health or mana door be rerolled into a boon?

[frank siren]

yes those are major finds

[narrow steeple]

i THINK so?

[regal cobalt]

with fate dice?

yes

[frank siren]

minor finds are ash, bones, nectar

[thin night]

what else cannot

[frank siren]

and hearts

wait no hearts are major

[thin night]

what about coins and shop and npc

[alpine raft]

cant roll

well coins can yes

[regal cobalt]

ok time for rivals eris she beat my ass last time

[thin night]

are coins major or minor

[alpine raft]

only bones ash and nectar are minor

[frank siren]

yeah coins are major, just had to double check

[alpine raft]

maybe the mini hearts and tonics in fields or ephyra are idr

[frank siren]

you cant use dice on those but you can artificer or turn them to coins

[regal cobalt]

oh that was fast

yay

[narrow steeple]

TFW you accidentally put on an olympian keepsake.. when you started the run with fates whim 🙁

[grim current]

Quit and hope the game didn't save yet...?

[narrow steeple]

nah.. as soon as i close the keepsake box it saves

i just scrapped the run an started over

[fiery kraken]

I've definitely quit and reloaded after my thumbpad registered a mouse click and picked the wrong keepsake

[narrow steeple]

i guess next time ill try that

it was after polyphemus.. so not like i was deep in

[grim current]

There are times when I consume the fountain water & Aromantic Phial in the wrong order, quit the game, & enter with Melinoe first entering the room.

[narrow steeple]

i rarely use the phial, tbh

[grim current]

I covet __>__rare boons to a fault.

[narrow steeple]

eh.. Poms get them there. I had a blue heph blast down to 2 secs.. so

[rain grove]

Ho everyone, I'm trying to beat typhoon. I managed to have zeus hitting him once, but then I got defeated. Was that the second phase? There is a third one after that?

[narrow steeple]

yes.. thats the major phase transition

however, after zeue leaves, he's still got like 60% hp left

[rain grove]

I find it hard to dodge the balls, they're too fast, spread and even explode 🙁

[narrow steeple]

just keep moving. You'll get the feel for when he's gonna spit them, and you can just run lie a fool to concentrate on dodging

im about to fight him.. if i could stream, i'd let you watch it.. but im not twitch guy

[rain grove]

Thanks for the help but I couldn't watch even if I wanted too

[narrow steeple]

np

[rain grove]

There is anything like a tier list of the best powers for each weapons? I would like to see if my feelings about them are right

Scotch seems really strong, also aphroditide with axe

[narrow steeple]

Scotch is super yummy. SCORCH, however, is really good 😛

[vernal quiver]

Umm hera/zeus on 99% of weapons

Then scorch/froth on coat or hel

[fiery kraken]

sometimes I feel like zeus is best in slot in everything

[narrow steeple]

depends. I dont like to jsut always use zeus or hera.

[fiery kraken]

zeus blitz is monsterous, zeus cast is incredible, zeus rush is solid, plus zeus has the 2x boon which just charges all the above up

and you have a fast hitting weapon? static shock

[narrow steeple]

but i usually end up fishing for hera.. cause if Night Bloom is offered.. i will pick that 99.99999999999% of tyhe time.. and hera powered permanent minions are hilariously powerful

[vernal quiver]

The person did ask for best

[narrow steeple]

zeus is no joke, no doubt. He takes a few boons to get rolling, tho. So hes a slow starter

[vernal quiver]

No?? 😭 the second you have blitz you have great damage that only gets stupid fast the farther the run gets

Static shock alone turns some weapons super strong

[narrow steeple]

also.. the best is usually 'whatever fits the build you have going, because RNGesus runs the game'

early on.. blitz doesnt do much.. because you kill them before it explodes

[vernal quiver]

Nothing does much early on then with with logic

[narrow steeple]

but yes.. static shock is silly good. And blitz once your're set up is super great

[zealous crag]

As a sanity check, do origination and furies apply to olympian damage, like blitz and splash?

[narrow steeple]

i mean.. im not saying zeus isnt basiclaly amazing.

[vernal quiver]

All damage yes

[digital juniper]

origination and furies are global damage boosts, so they affect everything

[narrow steeple]

but i just find it boring to always go for a zeus build.

[fiery kraken]

thats fair

[vernal quiver]

Sure, but him and hera are the 2 best gods in the game

Its kinda funny how at high fear as much as eos wants on hits for the special, hera just makes room clear stupid fast so you want her anyway

[narrow steeple]

Eos is probably my best aspect.. not cause i wanted it to be.. because it just ended up that way

[zealous crag]

By the way, is it just me, or do the poseidon waves sometimes not knockback when using the knives? Sometimes, it seems like the enemies don't get pushed back, which lets me just shred enemies. Are the knives special in some way?

[rain grove]

Can someone explain me why hera is good? Hitch seems kinda bad to me

[hollow briar]

Damage is good

Spread Hitch and the damage skyrockets. That’s really about all there needs to be said lol

[odd bolt]

What sounds bad about it

[hollow briar]

Also definitely shines more at higher Fear since you don’t really need accentuated waveclear when everything dies in two hits anyway

[rain grove]

It has nearly no bonus vs bosses

For example aphroditide is a straight up +100% damage on short range weapons

[tawny arrow]

In high fear you basically always fight at least 2 bosses and their minions at the same time

And you still get a decent % boost even without the hitch effect itself

[odd bolt]

Sure but no curse

And the % is still pretty decent on hera

Also all bosses have adds in some way or another

[tawny arrow]

Hera's % boost is like smack dab in the middle compared to other gods
Worse than apollo and aphro, better than demeter and ares

[hollow briar]

Curse + % is easy to come by and Hera’s isn’t bad + no stipulation past “hit them” + indirect damage, yeh

[tawny arrow]

Purely % wise i think hera is actually the best curse + % god

[hollow briar]

Definitely agree, yeah

[tropic hazel]

Am I completeetly wrong or poseidon feels like a weakest god? I usually skip his boons to get other more powerful gods.

[odd bolt]

Poseidon is really good on some weapons

[mellow stream]

apolo is best, very broken

[odd bolt]

Blades, coat, etc

[hollow briar]

He’s just very volatile

You either really want him or really want something better

[tawny arrow]

Poseidon goated af

[odd bolt]

Unfortunately he has some very situational boons, but he's still pretty solid

[tawny arrow]

His gain is arguably best in the game, his rush probably the best non-curse one
His cast pretty good, and his other cores are excellent with fast weapons

[mellow stream]

For me, there are 4 blessings that are very powerful: Poseidon, Zeus, Aphrodite, and Apollo.

[tawny arrow]

He also has some crazy boons like high surf and water fitness

[tawny arrow]

Each god can be extremely powerful in their own right
Except maybe for heph and ares who have some hard limits on certain things

[zealous crag]

His attack and special boons are best on fast weapons with low base damage, and he has some very strong build-agnostic boons, like Buried Treasure and Sea Star.

[tropic hazel]

So on which weapons should I try God of the Sea?

[zealous crag]

Wait, does his gain cause omega moves to recover magick instead of using magic? How have I completely slept on this gain?

[tawny arrow]

His other cores are crazy too

[tawny arrow]

Use an omega move and all of your omegas are now free for the next few secs
Literally best in the game with a few possible exceptions due to different builds

I slept on it too since his "gain" used to be terrible in early access

[zealous crag]

So you can still run out if you use all your magic during the 8-second cooldown, but when it activates, none of that matters.

Kind of sucks you can still run out, though.

[tawny arrow]

I actually think you can still use it with 0 magick but not 100% sure

[tropic hazel]

Zeus feels better for me. Just spend all mana, run to Uncle Mark and bang - you're full

[tawny arrow]

Just gotta wait for the cooldown

[vernal quiver]

Yuh

[zealous crag]

You can, for sure. But you can still run out in those 8 seconds.

[tawny arrow]

Basically born gain but based and unc pilled

[zealous crag]

But the 8-second downtime hurts a little.

It won't keep up with some omega-heavy builds, like Charon.

[tawny arrow]

Infinite regenerating magic bro
What gain CAN keep up with charon other than apollo's?

[alpine raft]

hera and lucid easily

oh u said that

[zealous crag]

I always just go Apollo. 100% uptime.

[tawny arrow]

BORN GAIN SUCKS AND IS OVERHYPED SINCE IT WAS OP IN EARLY ACCESS
I WILL NOT ACCEPT ANY OTHER OPINION

[zealous crag]

I guess Flood works best on hybrid builds, where you don't need to be using an omega all the time.

[zealous crag]

I think it works on a lot of builds.

Especially if you pom it.

[tawny arrow]

Flood is insane for bursting and is infinite
It's always amazing but like i said, some gains supercede it for specific builds

[vernal quiver]

Bro doesnt know what a magic pot is

[tropic hazel]

Bros. Can someone tell me on which weapon should I use poseidon? Flames?

[odd bolt]

Born gain is the only gain in the game who can actually keep up with omega spam

[vernal quiver]

Coat

[odd bolt]

Blades, coat

[tropic hazel]

Coat does not exist for me XD

[tawny arrow]

For 3 seconds until you can't use omegas anymore unlike with my GOAT POSEIDON

[zealous crag]

It's insane for bursting and it can't run out forever, but it has those 8 seconds of downtime. Born Gain frontloads all that uptime, so you don't have to deal with the downtime unless your damage isn't there.

[tropic hazel]

Blades could be interesting. Thanks!

[odd bolt]

Just straight up not true

[tawny arrow]

I would rather get a hercules room even

Pots are heresy

[zealous crag]

Blades, coat, and torches are all good. I think axe special could also work, if you know how to dash-attack > special combo.

[vernal quiver]

You say that like heraclese sucks

[tawny arrow]

Real hadesers get flood gain and pray

[tawny arrow]

Heracles is ok

[tropic hazel]

Not when he's bonking me during Prometheus fight xD

[zealous crag]

With a middling born gain and 90 magic, you effectively have 315 magick. That's plenty for Hecate/Polyphemus, and should only get better from there.

[tawny arrow]

Born gain requires a magic pot and pom addiction and eventually runs out
My goat poseidon's fount is everlasting

[vernal quiver]

Flood gain fans when 8 seconds of nothing walks in the room

[zealous crag]

Born Gain works fine with just Persistence and the Centaur. Most of the time, the boss is dead before you run out, and the room is absolutely destroyed before it runs out.

[zealous crag]

(except when it's not)

[tawny arrow]

Already drowned whatever was in the room in the 7 secs i had

[zealous crag]

It's really upsetting that you can't regenerate magick while channeling. It would make Glamour Gain so much better.

[odd bolt]

Grisly gain fans having to run to the other side of the room to get a plasma (it's still better than glamour gain and tough gain somehow)

[hollow briar]

Personally a fan of Apollo for a lot of my Omega builds

[zealous crag]

Easy 80 magick back after every cast is just so free. Especially since you'll probably need to anyways to set up origination or furies.

[hollow briar]

I’ve made it work like three times and while those three were pretty great, I’d rather just not bother

[tawny arrow]

Am i misremembering or was grisly gain crazy good when ares just released?

[odd bolt]

It's still really good if you get all plasma dropping boons

The magick it gives you is decent for each plasma

[tawny arrow]

Yeah but i remember early ares plasma being stupid op

[hollow briar]

The problem is Denial and like.. actually a lot considering you have to hit things a bunch, which isn’t usually the forte of Omega builds, and still get lucky

[tawny arrow]

Getting all plasma boons turns you into a menace tho
Can't believe they capped it at 100%

Straight criminal

[zealous crag]

Really? It currently feels like EA Poseidon's gain, but worse

[vernal quiver]

the more i play this game the more im convinced theres actually no learning scylla at high fear

she just does whatever tf she wants and chances are you cant avoid losing half our health unless you just get lucky

[tropic hazel]

You can only sing with your favourite sirens.

[fiery kraken]

I am subscribed to a few youtube videos and every day they're posting a 62 fear run of a different aspect

how many resets do they need ? Or is jpom good enough that someone can do 62f consistently?

[vernal quiver]

62f is like 90% skill, you dont need to reset if you have good decision making and clean gameplay

Well weapon dependant i should say, but with like half decent luck, jpom, and being good its not crazy difficult

[surreal hazel]

Bigger pickup range and 3 extra booms to get more plasma quicker does matter a lot

[zealous crag]

What are the last 5 fear? Frenzy?

[cerulean panther]

Void, removes your Arcana.

[broken spoke]

Void

[vernal quiver]

Frenzy would be dubious, its void yeah since the arcana does so much

65f is void3 so you can use judgment, and 67 is just hoping the game is nice to you

[grim current]

What the hell? Expiring counts all of Ephyra has 1 encounter...?

[cerulean panther]

No, should be each major reward door.

[flint widget]

f10, that's a glitch

[viral yew]

Frenzy is the second vow to go on

[flint widget]

first one being rivals

[grim current]

That's just it. It's blue.

[zealous crag]

Really? But it was so bad in H1.

[frank siren]

The increased speed feels way harder in this game, especially against rivals sirens

[broken spoke]

If you want to go 62f, better to get used to it sooner than later

[viral yew]

It's free difficulty in both games

After a few runs you never noticed it

[cerulean panther]

...The timer is free Heat in both games.

[viral yew]

I did all my rivals first attempt with frenzy

[spark crown]

It was? I barely noticed it was on when I was playing

[zealous crag]

Huh. I've been running rivals, time, fangs, and menace. I thought they would be the easiest ones.

At least, not rivals 4.

[broken spoke]

They are too fearpilled

Frenzy is hard, but it something you can used to

[frank siren]

Yeah frenzy is the best one to get used to right away

[odd bolt]

Frenzy is hard but it's not as hard as pain or grit

[cerulean panther]

Grit is eeeasy.

If you're clearing Time with minutes to spare Grit is a super easy way to pump Fear.

[odd bolt]

Or maybe it's just that those are hard when you put everything together I don't know at this point

I didn't touch grit pain or hordes until 50+

[limpid spear]

Fangs 2 can be very hard. Frenzy 2 is also hard, but once you get used to the timing, it's definitely more manageable than other vows.

[cerulean panther]

I only play 32 and maxed Grit, Hordes, and Time is easy peasy. Frenzy, Pain, and Rivals 4 is the stuff of nightmares.

[broken spoke]

Pain is pain

[limpid spear]

generally, pain is one of the last things to use

[broken spoke]

I can never get used to chronos hit for 70 or typhoon hit for 140

[odd bolt]

Shoutout to scars for being free fear at 1 and 2 and one of the worst ones at 3

[cerulean panther]

I do not mess with Scars or Debt.

I'll eat double damage all day, I just need to know that heals are going to actually heal me.

[odd bolt]

Debt is free, scars 1 is legit free cause there are no many different sources of healing

Scars 2 is a little bit harder but still very doable

[cerulean panther]

Debt just messes with my internal processes.

[broken spoke]

Debt kinda not that bad because boatman and chrolex solve it

[cerulean panther]

"Okay, 180 gold, should have enou--and the boon is almost 300."

Every time. Been messing me up since Hades 1 EA.

[restive bolt]

time to flip more burgers ig

[odd bolt]

I mean if I don't have the money for the boon it's fine like

[restive bolt]

vow of minimum wage

[odd bolt]

tf I'm gonna do, not go to the shop?

It's a free room

[restive bolt]

btw, how do hexes with the contigency node work with strength?

that's the one where a dd refills the hex

[broken spoke]

As intended

When you use dd it refill

[zealous crag]

Really? Maybe it's because I rarely go above 20 fear, but it rarely registers. I usually I'll things too quickly.

[broken spoke]

Fang 2 is doing nothing 90% of time

Then random combo on correct enemy become a menace

[limpid spear]

hmm maybe if you don't have hordes and frenzy you don't notice fang 2 much. but getting hit with a room of laser and ball orbits is brutal unless you have amazing ranged attacks

[zealous crag]

I rarely run either of those. Most fangs, time, menace, and rivals.

That might be why fangs doesn't feel hard.

[bleak kindle]

just failed typhon, i think my main issue was that i could only destroy one of the eggs and the dudes are rly tanky

[grim current]

Why is Unrivaled Typhon's phase 3 so weak after that one spell?

[bleak kindle]

was running aspect of mel with romantic spark and engraved pin and hestia

[grim current]

From a gameplay perspective, I mean. It's not a final DPS check when his attacks are so slow & weak. All it serves is a victory round.

But why would Supergiant give us a victory round in Unrivaled?

[odd bolt]

Do you mean || after babality? ||

I like the idea, I wouldn't even say rivals Typhon has phases

[broken spoke]

Yea after suffered in that phase i glad there is extra round for me to beat up it even more

[civic salmon]

Does arterial spray work on ocean swell?

[umbral horizon]

Question about Sky Fall and Ares Godsent: Inflict Wounds with each hit from the effect. That means each hit +50 power or just the first hit?

[viral yew]

No

[viral yew]

Just the first hit

[rich folio]

Should I take Mega blaze or hidden Helix with aspect of Moros and blitz on special but hera on attack?

[cerulean panther]

I thought the Godsent broke that rule.

[rich folio]

both seem good

[cerulean panther]

Hidden Helix would be better than Mega Blaze.

Hidden Helix is super high tier for the torches.

[rich folio]

Ok I wasn't sure, 30% damage increase seems good but I guess three specials hits damn hard

[viral yew]

Hidden

[vernal quiver]

He can still kill you

[grim current]

I suppose, but phase 3 isn't nearly tough enough to feel the satisfaction of absolutely wailing on him.

[zealous crag]

I think I died in that phase, though I'm not sure if I know the phases correctly.

[regal cobalt]

this fr

[viral yew]

Eh it's not meant to be as hard as rivals chronos

[regal cobalt]

i was so mad yesterday i got to typhons spine phase on 8 fear with moros aspect and died to the dumbass spines

[viral yew]

Spine?

[regal cobalt]

the circle attacks

i think mel calls them spines

[cerulean panther]

The tail strikes.

They very much resemble The Spine from Transistor, it's the Tail of Typhon.

[regal cobalt]

is it tail

where theres 3 in a row that do the swoopy

[cerulean panther]

The thing that drops from the sky and sends out the big circular shockwave?

[regal cobalt]

no

[cerulean panther]

Oh. The things that pop out of the ground and do Charybdis's sweep attack?

[regal cobalt]

the 3 thingies that spawn in a row and do the same attack as the root things

yes those

[cerulean panther]

I think those are smaller tails.

[regal cobalt]

well whatever they are they suck and i died to them

wouldve gotten my first veiled gift of night or whatever theyre called

[vernal quiver]

My strat for those because he does that with the tongue laser is just play up by the laser blindspot and just dash the last set of em

Or be cool and awesome and just roll dissent on jpom so those dont even happen

[regal cobalt]

i keep hearing about jpom but i lowk dont knwo what that is... is it a keepsake i just havent discovered or what

[cerulean panther]

Postgame Keepsake, you can get it after credits.

[vernal quiver]

Post credits keepsake

[regal cobalt]

oh

well then i dont have it lol

oh yum my crystal figurine activated judgement so now i have my regular 30 grasp arcana + judgement

gonna have all of my arcana activ e by the time i get to typhon

[grim current]

There's a set of trinkets designed to be independent from Change of Fate & Olympian-summoning Keepsakes named the "Fates' Whim" build. Jeweled Pom is the apple of many's eyes.

[viral yew]

Why are you taking figurine ever

[vernal quiver]

Whyd you take crystal figurine 😭

Especially with a normal grasp setup

[regal cobalt]

bc i wanted judgement LOL

also regular polyphemus doesnt need any other keepsake

[vernal quiver]

Why not take a god keepsake

[regal cobalt]

bc i like randomised builds

[vernal quiver]

Then youll love jpom when you get it

[viral yew]

Judgement is just ass

[regal cobalt]

wdym 💀

[regal cobalt]

yeah i hope so

[grim current]

I thought Crystal Figurine was overpowered when I first saw it. Despite that, I didn't find myself equipping it after I levelled it up.

[vernal quiver]

Doing it pre jpom just shoots yourself in the foot

[viral yew]

Having all the arcana is worse than not

[grim current]

Or Fates' Whim in general.

[vernal quiver]

Judgment is troll, its even stupid in 65f lol

[regal cobalt]

eh

[regal cobalt]

idk

i got such good luck this run started off with epic nova strike with thanatos aspect one of my favs

[viral yew]

Wdym eh, I can tell you right now judgement is the worst option for everything except 65

[regal cobalt]

and doing randomised runs lets me get a feel for what boons i like

[viral yew]

No wonder you're struggling at 8f 😭

[regal cobalt]

i like judgement and i like the bonuses from arcana idk what else to say

[grim current]

Enjoying the randomness Crystal Figurine & Judgement offers isn't bad.

[vernal quiver]

Getting judgment on a regular 30 grasp setup gives you like nothing

[viral yew]

If you're having fun then fine

But if you struggle know you're making it harder for yourself

[grim current]

These are largely considered inferior Arcana/trinkets when the alternatives are more powerful, but why bash on enjoying the randomness of rogue? If only the two were more powerful.

[regal cobalt]

i can get the fate dice cards which is nice for late game

[viral yew]

You want them early, not late

[vernal quiver]

You can just take those normally 😭

[regal cobalt]

i dont have those in my regular setup

[viral yew]

Judgement gets more powerful late run, which is when you least need arcana

[vernal quiver]

If you dont have fw(which you dont) youre better off putting them in your regular setup

[regal cobalt]

i use them in my non-mana heavy builds but otherwise i like taking all the mana focus and o-attack/spec cards

[grim current]

I admire your liking towards Crystal Figurine & Judgement, @regal cobalt. Unfortunately, I must agree with the others despite their, perhaps aggressive, insistence.

[viral yew]

Don't tell me you use unseen

Or excellence for that matter

Worst two arcana

[grim current]

Screw Unseen. All my homes hate the Unseen Arcana.

[regal cobalt]

why

[viral yew]

Realllll

[cerulean panther]

The Unseen is the only indefensible option in the game.

[vernal quiver]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMSIsImMyIiwiYzQiLCJjNSIsImM2IiwiYzciLCJjMTIiLCJjMTQiLCJjMTYiLCJjMTciLCJjMjEiLCJjMjIiXQ==
🥀

[grim current]

However, I do have a soft spot for Excellence.

[viral yew]

Disables huntress, and is ruined by one gain boon

[cerulean panther]

It's incredibly expensive in Grasp, the regen is not great at level 3, and it doesn't function through any consistent MP usage.

[vernal quiver]

Unseen is buns unless you're doing 62f+ mana weapons and even then its a choice that gets outdone by luck

[viral yew]

And it's the worst kind of mana regen

[vernal quiver]

And excellence is just kinda nothing

[regal cobalt]

i see i see

[viral yew]

Rarity is overrated asf

[vernal quiver]

Plus if you have rerolls getting a gain is a non issue

[viral yew]

If you even need a gain in the first place

[broken spoke]

Wdym nothing i notice it affect a lot, like priming much more with hubris

[vernal quiver]

When you run mana weapons all you need to put on is eternity and sorceress

[viral yew]

You can clear erebus with most weapons no gain easy

[grim current]

Unseen is pretty much the only Arcana that simply isn't good. Excellence is wildly expensive, but I have a soft spot for it. Judgement, despite our grievances, has its moments. There is nothing for Unseen. An expensive, mediocre Arcana never worth equipping.

[vernal quiver]

Clearly you havent done a 62 eos

(I didnt even run unseen)

[regal cobalt]

but yeah anyways im just having fun ty guys for the tips and i havent even broken 100 nights yet so idk everythign abt this game yet

[viral yew]

They both have some very niche 62f builds

But apart from that not worth taking

[grim current]

I hope we didn't bash you over the head too hard over the meta.

But yeah. I unfortunately tell you, despite how fun they might be, Crystal Figurine isn't that good.

[rich folio]

After clearing my run and seeing my special damage I now understand

[viral yew]

I get absolutely abused on the subreddit saying judgement/figurine is bad

[cerulean panther]

That's because Reddit is awful.

[grim current]

You're just gonna have to wait until after the main campaign before you're able to equip actually powerful trinkets that still encourage randomness: Fates' Whim.

[regal cobalt]

na dw this is one of very few actually constructive fandoms ive talked in, dead cells discord was genuinely the worst thing ive ever touched

[viral yew]

I mean i've spent years in toxic games i'm too far gone

[grim current]

What are you going to do now? Are you going to equip the Olympian-summoning keepsakes? Or are you going to opt for Gold Purse & stuff?

[viral yew]

Ew gold purse

Another bottom 5

https://imgur.com/a/HGaSgVm

Hold on that's my list

[grim current]

Huh?

[regal cobalt]

i dont use gold purse cus i usually get enough gold anyway, ill prob go for vial or silken sash for the next 1st keepsake of a run, or take a god one, but idk if yall have other good suggestions lmk

[viral yew]

Both also suck

Either god keepsake or bust

[grim current]

Is it because Boatman is such a go-to, it devalues Gold Purse?

[vernal quiver]

That too yeah

Boatman is just better gold purse

[viral yew]

And chrolex

[vernal quiver]

Yeah money is a non issue

[grim current]

Kind of apples-to-oranges, no? One costs 5 Grasp. The other costs a region trinket slot.

[viral yew]

Not really

[vernal quiver]

Yeah but thats like jpom, or chrolex your losing

Vs what else are you gonna use that 5 grasp on

[grim current]

Look, I can't not equip Excellence, okay?

It's a bullet to the foot, but I love it too much!

[broken spoke]

150 gold is 1.5 room worth of gold

[grim current]

Thanks for bringing us back on track.

[broken spoke]

Look at another keepsake that give room reward, silver wheel

That give over 3 room worth of magick

[regal cobalt]

evil eye my beloved

[viral yew]

Another horrible keepsake

Just take fang instead

[regal cobalt]

im saving the fang for typhon

i died to prom last run

[grim current]

Come to think of it, I usually equip Gold Purse when I have Quick Buck, Buried Treasure, & Affluence.

Otherwise, I equip Gold Purse because I don't have anything else to equip.

[viral yew]

Take pin for typhon, amulet/droplet/bones for prom

Never ever ever never ever take eye

I cannot stress enough how sub par eye is

[regal cobalt]

i like my eye

[grim current]

I agree Evil Eye is cool.

[viral yew]

😭

[grim current]

At least thematically.

[regal cobalt]

also why is bbones better than eye

[grim current]

The only time I've equipped Evil Eye after I levelled it up is against the post-main campaign optional bosses.

[regal cobalt]

i get a bigger dmg boost out of evil eye

[grim current]

It deals massive DMG versus the boss and grants extra effective .

[viral yew]

Bones is defence, fang is better over eye last region, and you should never take eye before that

[vernal quiver]

Prom losing 25% is big, on rivals its huge tbh

[regal cobalt]

i usually go bones for prom if i havent died to him which is when i take eye

[grim current]

Unless you haven't equipped ANY +x% boons, Evil Eye's +30% gets quickly drowned out by all the other buffs.

[regal cobalt]

isnt it 15 not 25

or am i blind

[vernal quiver]

U right

I read the cheriloom stat on accident

[regal cobalt]

i see i see