h2-builds-and-combat

[vernal quiver]

since its rivals typhon there isnt really a specific build thats like tuned to him that wouldnt also shred the rest of the game, ive done high fear eos so i can give you help there. mostly eos can be super flexible with what goes where but generally you want a big % on the attack and an on hit on special

although a lot of stuff can work in different positions

moros you want similar, big% attack(generally hera), and zeus on special or vice versa, again its flexible but especially aim for stuff like fine line

and basically every coat plays the exact same, just get on hit attack and blitz/hitch special and everything dies

[charred field]

I do use aspect of moros as my main thing

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have u reached credits

[charred field]

What credits

[flint widget]

oh ok so u havent

[vernal quiver]

sick! then yeah some combination of zeus and hera works super super well on the weapon, then aiming for things like athena spears, fine line, the ares swords, lots of stuff for channeling makes it crazy strong

[flint widget]

just go with moros and the classic hera attack zeus special

yeah add a lot of omega enhancing stuff

[charred field]

Do i go Hephaestus for extra health

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nah

[vernal quiver]

not explicitly but if you get him in the pool its great

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youd much rather get demeter and apollo in the pool for freeze and daze

both are great defensive tools

or well, curses

arctic ring especially my goat

[tawny arrow]

Heph is my fav and i still don't really get his point

[vernal quiver]

armor is strong but only if you dont get hit much as is and aim to do antler r4, otherwise yeah demeter and apollo end up being better general supporting gods

[tawny arrow]

Most of his stuff is kinda buns tbh

[charred field]

So hera attack ,zeus special, i guess Aphrodite/demeter cast?
And I'll look for ares falling blades with each omega
And also hammer upgrades that allows me to either cycle/channel omega attacks or specials

[flint widget]

demeter cast apollo sprint

for hammers hidden helix and sudden burst are best

[tawny arrow]

Like heph is only good with massive crit builds and nothing else it seems

[charred field]

Yeah apollo sprint is like the key for me to tear everything before typon

[flint widget]

yeah it's the goat

[charred field]

I mostly just need ||to dodge chronos|| ||typon|| is not that hard to deal with

[flint widget]

true

chronos is pain in the ass to deal with

especially in ||baby mel phase||

[charred field]

Also do i need high health?

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probably yeah

[charred field]

Like 250 is that good

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both chronos and typhon hit like a truck

probably yea if ur good at dodging

also equip death

[charred field]

Yeah 3 death defiances,1 toulas and one of skelly

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nah equip gale

dodge is more valuable

[charred field]

o

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and equip moros pin in final region

10 seconds of invulnerability is huge

[charred field]

ohh yeah i have that keepsake 3 stars

[charred field]

I'll max out gale now

I like focused on toula and raki

[flint widget]

ok nice nice

go beat typhons ass for me

[charred field]

Kay I'll try now

[scarlet ferry]

No

His attack and special are really good if used properly

His gain is super good in a build where you don’t actually need the magic

And he has great duo boons

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but then you'd have to do omegas to get huntress back online instead of only once without tough gain

[vernal quiver]

bro doesnt know what trusty shield is

[flint widget]

or heavy metal

or security system

[odd bolt]

or a lvl 8 epic heph attack using jpom and persephone

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or a lvl 9 epic heph attack using jpon and persephone

[odd bolt]

Can it even go that high?

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i have no idea

[tawny arrow]

Heph already is my fav olympian but he would actually be much more useful if his cooldowns could go below 2 secs (or 1.5 with poseidon duo)

[odd bolt]

When I got one lvl8 it was 2 seconds and it didn't show up on poms so I assume it's the max for that boon

[flint widget]

but that would make blasts so busted

like imagine a blast every 0.5 seconds

[tawny arrow]

And the shield boons are kinda buns except for the one that gives you a shield every encounter, and they're also again geared towards crit builds cus of antler

[flint widget]

that's not good for balancing lmao

and blasts are already busted enough

[odd bolt]

Shield is not used just for antler

[tawny arrow]

If i managed to get a heroic boon to level 10 i should be able to nuke typhon just like the olympians originally intended

[odd bolt]

The safety from heph defense boons are the best in the game imo

[flint widget]

snow queen still the goat tho

[odd bolt]

both are good

[flint widget]

if nobody got me ik snow queen got me

[tawny arrow]

One of his boons is good for dmg if you have lots of shield but it literally just gives you a 1 time shield
Buns

[odd bolt]

but yeah nowadays I'm very happy when heph shows up usually

I only get sad when it's chamber 1 and he offers me attack special and gain all common

like bro come on

[flint widget]

surely phial will save the day right

[tawny arrow]

Anyways, again, heph is my fav but every time i get builds with other olympians i shred much better than i could with him

[odd bolt]

TRUE

phial once again solving all problems, truly the best keepsake

[tawny arrow]

Real

[flint widget]

1 + 1 = heroic boon

💯

[scarlet ferry]

You can bring down Hephaestus’ blast cooldown to just 1.5s

[tawny arrow]

At the end of the day nothing beats that CLANG tho

[tawny arrow]

With a billion upgrades and a specific duo

[scarlet ferry]

Not that many poms needed. And duo boons aren’t hard to get

[odd bolt]

If there's anything I would change for heph is make his cast an actual blast (even if doing less damage) so it could apply glow with the secondary boon

[scarlet ferry]

Or just make the cast straight up apply glow with each hammer swing

[odd bolt]

Maybe

[scarlet ferry]

Hephaestus’ cast is one of his weirdest boons. It’s not bad, but I’ve never been in a situation where I really want it

I thought it was gonna be cool with Momus but the triple hammer doesn’t repeat

[tawny arrow]

Limiting your god pool with heph and poseidon and pouring a bunch of poms (and maybe phial) towards a single attack just to get 200-500 dmg every 1.5 secs isn't really THAT great imo

I love the clang and heph is my most used god but objectively i think he's outclassed

[vernal quiver]

400 damage blasts at base thats affected by global modifiers like orig and furies but ok

[scarlet ferry]

Bruh it’s not as hard as you’re making it out to be. I’ve had many runs where my Hephaestus cooldown got down to 1.5-3 without even trying

[tawny arrow]

Circe and you won the game

[vernal quiver]

heph circe is just funny

its not strong just funny

[tawny arrow]

CLANGLANGLANGLANGLANGLANG

[scarlet ferry]

And “limiting” your god pool to Poseidon and Hephaestus isn’t an inherent issue. They’re both good and work well together

[vernal quiver]

"limiting" as if coat doesnt exist

or pan, pan really likes posiedon doesnt it

[tawny arrow]

I guess my point is that to get value out of heph you need to hyperfocus your run specifically on him

[vernal quiver]

for damage 100%, hes a very high investment god compared to literally everyone else, just his low investment options are some of the most consistent defensive boons in the game

and fundamentally with jpom hes easier to invest in

[tawny arrow]

Dunno what that whole jpom thing is
I just use discordant bell

[vernal quiver]

pain4 ong

[scarlet ferry]

A level 1 rare Heph attack with Poseidon duo is already 3.5 seconds

And the Poseidon duo also helps with Flood Gain which is one of the best Gains already

[scarlet ferry]

Bruh that just isn’t true 😭

For example, if you’re running sister blades or coat and are mainly focusing on attacks, you can throw Heph special on it to get free burst damage every handful of seconds

On any build that doesn’t need magic, his gain is amazing

His armor boons are really good

[tawny arrow]

400 dmg every 3.5 with super specific requirements when you could just get blitz or something

[scarlet ferry]

🫩

[tawny arrow]

For the nth time i LOVE heph and he's my most used but i just consistently get better value out of other gods for less investment

He also doesn't work with origination unless you get glow which kinda sucks

[scarlet ferry]

Yeah that’s true

Wish his cast inflicted it. Cause even Poseidon’s cast inflicts froth out of the gate

Meanwhile Demeter gets 2 😭

[tawny arrow]

I almost never get his cast even tho it's pretty decent

But it's like ares cast
Just a bit of damage and that's it

On that note does anybody ever take ares cast or dash?

[alpine raft]

id prefer not to take his cast, dash isnt horrible though

[tawny arrow]

I never saw any point to his dash

[scarlet ferry]

I normally don’t take Ares cast but I love taking Cut Above when doing a cast build

[tawny arrow]

You get to tickle an enemy if he happens to step inside the small line you make after dashing? Meh

[tawny arrow]

Cut above is goated

[scarlet ferry]

Most dashes aren’t great on their own. Mainly good for getting duos, legendaries, and filling a core slot so you have a higher chance of be offered the boons you want

[alpine raft]

i wont take ares dash if i have a good dash in my god pool

[alpine raft]

it starts at like 80 damage its not horrible

and the area isnt tiny

[scarlet ferry]

Zeus cast

• Cut Above
• Winners Circle
• Demeter gust
• Geyser Spout
• Prominence Flare
• Super Nova

Goes hard. I got all of these in a surface run once

With Lucid Gain

[tawny arrow]

Most dashes have some kind of additional use tho
Zeus: automatic targeting + air quality
Poseidon: push enemy
Hera: hitch
Aphro: weak
Apollo: speed and daze
Demeter: gust
Heph: big boom that scales with his boons
Hestia: sux but less fire dmg
Ares: just a bit of dmg if anybody steps inside

[alpine raft]

oh without jpom common ares dash is 30 💀

[tawny arrow]

Did i forget any gods

[odd bolt]

Ares is potential god in every way possible it's crazy

Cause falling blades are decent... If you get two specific duo boons

[alpine raft]

i prefer ares dash over heph

[tawny arrow]

Common boonless i agree

I think heph dash specifically has very quick scaling and can overtake ares sooner rather than later

[scarlet ferry]

It’s good for when you don’t want to think about your dash boon

[alpine raft]

if im pomming a heph blast it better not do 200 damage

[tawny arrow]

Pom an ares dash a billion times and it'll barely scratch 200, not to mention heph's area and targeting

Heph slander (other than the one i just participated in for the last 30 mins) will not be tolerated

[alpine raft]

maybe its better, ive taken it 2 times total

so many better heph boons it gets denial'd every time

[scarlet ferry]

I like Hephaestus dash because you don’t have to think about it. Things just occasionally blow up around you.

With Ares dash you have to try to hit things with it

I had a Supay build once with Heph on attack and dash and it was fun

[viral yew]

I disagree, I ignore both

[cloud breach]

whats a good combo with torches and luckier tooth

[indigo crescent]

Can I beat all rivals separately in Chaos trials or no other choice but to run high fear ?

[scarlet ferry]

Which aspect

[alpine raft]

well you can just all rivals, no need to go high fear

[viral yew]

Use pin instead of tooth

[cloud breach]

how you get that

[viral yew]

Moros

[cloud breach]

ok

and

[cloud breach]

mel

[scarlet ferry]

Hera on attack and Zeus on special is a good one

[alpine raft]

read the pin, helpful if you are lost on how to build

[cloud breach]

whats your main weapen and aspect guys

[scarlet ferry]

I switch around depending on where the blood thirst is cause I need bones

[viral yew]

Non hidden? Definitely medea, circe, or moros

[vernal quiver]

circe tends to be my goto

hell i did 4 62s on it today lol

very fun very easy

[cloud breach]

whats the best weapen

[alpine raft]

staff

[cloud breach]

torches all day

[hidden latch]

personal preference. I love the knives

[cloud breach]

the sister blades

[hidden latch]

yes

[cloud breach]

yeah they tank

[viral yew]

Weakest weapon btw

[cloud breach]

nah its the staff

[hidden latch]

doesn't change my love for them

[viral yew]

Staff is the strongest by a lot

[cloud breach]

the staff it butt the torches with aspcets is better

[hidden latch]

i'm in the middle of a run right now but i'm at around 100 nights and i've probably used the knives over half of them. i'm trying not to use them as much now

[alpine raft]

whats butt about it

[vernal quiver]

bro doesnt know how to press cast on circe

[viral yew]

Moros is good but not as good as 3 of the staff aspects

[cloud breach]

it gives knockback

[hidden latch]

i'm liking the torches a lot more now than when i did at the start, i hated them at the start.

[viral yew]

Huh?

[alpine raft]

lol what gives knockback

[cloud breach]

with the specal

[viral yew]

[cloud breach]

staff

[alpine raft]

oh i get what you mean but its not an issue when it shoots that far

[viral yew]

It's barely noticeable

[cloud breach]

not as far as the sister blades

[alpine raft]

that knockback wont result in you getting hit more

[viral yew]

Unless you spam it during a chronos one shot

[cloud breach]

the torches have bettr aspects

[viral yew]

Blades special does f all damage

Torches are good

But they can't compete with circe and mel

[alpine raft]

25 base i think

[viral yew]

So bad

[cloud breach]

guys how do you unlock the thing to staw above erebus the potion

[viral yew]

Huh?

[hidden latch]

progress through the game, it gives it to you incantation after some point

[cloud breach]

its accualy it does 50 it goes back and forth

[alpine raft]

takes 1 whole second for 50 damage

[cloud breach]

and the staff takes 2

[alpine raft]

mel staff does 120 instantly

[cloud breach]

just becaue it has aspects

[umbral horizon]

I love mel staff too

[viral yew]

Yeah Mel staff clears everything except medea

[hidden latch]

i don't care if they're "bad" i love the knives. if you build your build right it shreds through stuff lol, i just have the most fun using them

[viral yew]

Uh no, no it doesn't

[viral yew]

They're not 'bad', they just suck more than all the other weapons

[cloud breach]

the torches are the best weapen

[hidden latch]

i need to try the spear more tbh. i think it's my least used weapon

[viral yew]

Plus they have trick knives, with that I would put them above coat and axe

[vernal quiver]

tk singlehandedly salvages knives

[viral yew]

Just not true lmfao

[cloud breach]

DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW TO BEAT CRONOS

[hidden latch]

the suspiciously medea skull shaped torches in question

[alpine raft]

what attack are you strugglin with

[cloud breach]

the second phase

[hidden latch]

watch his scythe, learn his attacks and how to dodge them, and get hits in when you can, lot of his attacks he just stands there and does nothing and you can get huge damage in

[umbral horizon]

Yes but I like Mel skull than Medea. It's really strong and safe.

[viral yew]

https://imgur.com/a/2G0u6wu

Like this

[hidden latch]

actually it might be the coat.. i haven't really used either one of them

[viral yew]

My favourite hades 2 weapon, the spear

[viral yew]

Yeah Mel staff is alot safer

[cloud breach]

the axe tanks

[hidden latch]

i'm just working on getting nightmare at the moment to upgrade my weapon aspects and unlock the hidden aspects

[viral yew]

I hate axe too

[hidden latch]

i do not care for the axe [peter griffin godfather gif]

[vernal quiver]

atp i dont even touch half the weapons

knives, axe, and coat all just feel bad imo

[hidden latch]

nothing has changed between the two games lol. i'd alternate between the bow shield and rail in hades 1, and in hades 2 i alternate between the knives torches and skull

[umbral horizon]

You should try Nergal axe, free healing like Guan Yu without hp limited.

[calm valley]

Does the Flayed chaos curse apply to the specials you throw from Trick Knives?

[alpine raft]

it does not

[indigo crescent]

Hmm, for some reason I thought that rivals would be much harder than they are

Prometheus is hard but it's arguably the strongest boss in the game

[viral yew]

Surface rivals are meant to be slightly less of a difficulty increase than the uw ones

[indigo crescent]

I just did a rivals 3 run in the UW and I almost beat my PB

Cerb was a noticeable difficulty spike but still somewhat easy

[spark crown]

I saw that no-one answered you question but no it does not because Hades boons are not boons they are blessings

[spark crown]

MEDEA IS DOG AND YOU CANNOT CHANGE MY MIND

Grrrr

Mel staff solos medea

Need to redo my aspect teirlist

[pulsar saddle]

based based based person

homestuck pfp + nier banner

[flint widget]

nyx is the only real coat

rest aren't real without shimmering

and shiva is shiva

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how come i dont see mel staff in the speedrun leaderboards

[spark crown]

Because no-one has the balls to speedrun Mel staff

[spiral wadi]

mel staff kinda slow

strong but slow

[spark crown]

What if.... Plasma

[spiral wadi]

plasma does go crazy

i had a sanguinary savor in ephyra on moros that i brought all the way to typhon before choking babality

issue is plasma doesn't really boost dmg, just speeds

[flint widget]

first 62f of the new year yay

[upbeat matrix]

jeez I was trying mel staff yesterday and getting used to special over attack feels so weird on mouse, im just too used to left click instead of right click spam

[flint widget]

i mean its not really right click spam

dash strike into special is the usual attack combo for staff

tho getting rid of wards is like uh dash strike into attack into special

[upbeat matrix]

oh GOD STAFF IS A DASH STRIKE WEAPON

[median anvil]

yeah

[flint widget]

whats wrong with dash strike

[upbeat matrix]

iv played it a ton in another game and its.....a tiring input to do alot

also I kinda like playing lazy and I think dash strike needs fast inputs

[flint widget]

play anubis then

[median anvil]

technically anubis is also a dash strike aspect 😂

[flint widget]

it's a staff just get ur omega attack out ez game

eh at least u don't have to dash strike as often

nexus rush is actually so goated for anubis

[upbeat matrix]

I dont mind anubis dash strike as much but bosses were hard with it

I will give the weapon a shot again tho

somehow Im also good with circe but I think its quite simple

I got to olympus yesteday with circe on 62 fear, pretty happy w that tbh even if I did lose

[cursive kindle]

Are there some tips on dodging i should know? I already beat all rival battles

[broken spoke]

Dodging what

[flint widget]

all of the attacks in this game are pretty well telegraphed

[median anvil]

nuh uh, CHRONOS LASER ATTACK GO

[flint widget]

eh there's that 0.5 seconds of telegraphing

[tawny arrow]

Chaos increasing my special damage doesn't increase its scorch, right?

[manic shuttle]

no

doesn't buff scorch or other on hit effects

[median anvil]

it's additive on your weapon damage, like aphro and apollo

[tawny arrow]

Do i go for hammer or boon that will help my build in erebus
I know hammer will prob come back but it's very tempting still

[flint widget]

what weapon are u running

[tawny arrow]

Mel fists

[median anvil]

I'd take hammer there

[flint widget]

who calls the coat fists

[median anvil]

shimmering rockets and siege frame are worth much more than any boon and they're worth gambling for

[viral yew]

Better than people that use the legal names

[flint widget]

xinth

tbf it's a sick name

[tawny arrow]

Don't look much like a coat to me

It's a jetpack with massive b-word mittens

[flint widget]

well don't call it fists call it jetpack

[median anvil]

you have a 7 nyxillion dollar state of the art exosuit sitting on your shoulder and you're only using it to punch people?

[flint widget]

rockets exists too

[oblique hazel]

playing hades 2 for maybe the first time in 2 weeks and reached chronos on mel coat 62

thunc still got it

[flint widget]

how do yall play mel coat

im struggling without shimmering rockets

[oblique hazel]

punch punch punch

you run around crazy style and dash strike everything unless you hit siege frame upon which you start running around crazy style and punching everything. and then when you get scared you run away and spam specials

[spiral wadi]

i alternate between omega special and attack/dash attack

[hearty horizon]

What sort of builds work best for the Medea skull?

[vernal quiver]

big% on attack then blitz on special, aim for born/flood gain and possesed array on the hammer and everything will explode

preferably that % boon is hera or aphro but any works tbh

[oblique hazel]

flood gain doesnt work with possessed array!!! dont believe the lies!!!

[vernal quiver]

couldve sworn it does >->

[oblique hazel]

i fully believed it did until i actually had it in game and it didnt work at all 💔

not even doing an omega attack to activate the flood gain lets you get the magick back from p-array

born gain is kinda the only thing that lets you spam it sadly

[vernal quiver]

cardio with enough investment can kinda keep up

but yeah born gain will just be best

[tall notch]

Then just get shimmering rockets ez

[spark crown]

who calls xinth coat

[flint widget]

normal people

[spark crown]

https://tenor.com/view/batman-fake-false-fact-checked-fact-gif-3692826964065029091

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https://tenor.com/view/shaking-crazy-feral-halloween-animatronic-gif-7415356108918299170

[tawny arrow]

THAT'S PRECISELY IT! You'd be crazy to do anything else

Got rocket powered fists the size of hades's beard and BY SELENE I'm gonna use em to punch the Hel outta whomever gets in my way

[flint widget]

the rockets exist tho?

[tawny arrow]

What's the point?

Hulk don't use no rockets

[flint widget]

they're effective long range and they deal good dmg

get on hit specials and ur destroying everything

[tawny arrow]

SLAM SLAM SLAM EAT SOME NIGHTMARES SHADOWSPILLER

RAHHHHH I AM INVINCIBLE

[flint widget]

https://tenor.com/view/invulnerable-gif-22484955

[tawny arrow]

Anyways i think i'm actually getting worse at the game

[digital juniper]

it does but also doesn’t

[tawny arrow]

Can't even clear like 45 fear underworld anymore

[flint widget]

maybe go back to the fundamentals

everything starts with that

[vernal quiver]

yeah theres a reason i stopped trying hel 65

it genuinely made me worse

now im back to clearing circe 62s like nothing

[flint widget]

whens the next unique 62f coming

[tawny arrow]

Maybe it's cus i was constantly chasing heph's legendary while doing high nightmare with Hel

Like 30 runs straight at least lol

[flint widget]

why heph legendary tho

it does jack for hel

[tawny arrow]

For prophecy

Never got it

Never will

[flint widget]

then go do it with another weapon lmao

[vernal quiver]

its not i hate every other weapon in this game 😌 plus its 67f practice

[tawny arrow]

Don't put logic into my madness

[flint widget]

anubis exists and the torches exist

[tawny arrow]

Yooooo dude poseidon's rush is hella good tf?????

[flint widget]

it always has been

[tawny arrow]

Thought it was debuffed to Hel but it's just different now

[tawny arrow]

Used to be the best

[flint widget]

but blinding rush exists and that's the defacto best rush boon

[vernal quiver]

yeah but i dont like them :3

plus ive done eos 62 so :P

[flint widget]

circe specialist

moros and mel torches exist

supay is just omega special in first few rooms and pray for a good damaging boon early on

[vernal quiver]

put me in a room with 100 weapons and i will pick circe everytime

[flint widget]

theres 6 weapons in the game tho

[vernal quiver]

exactly

[oblique hazel]

eos is a seperate weapon from the other torches it does its own thing

i can tell because the skills i learnt from starting with eos 62 have not transferred to any other weapon

[flint widget]

like what skills

[oblique hazel]

safely channeling omegas at the start of a room, using basic torch specials while dodging stuff to help the daybreaker, making use of messenger while channelling omegas, relying on unseen

idk im exaggerating but eos was way safer than anything else ive tried

[flint widget]

even safer than circe?

or any blade with tk?

or coat with shimmering

[oblique hazel]

i think coat with shimmering is safer, tk pan is probably safer and i suck at circe so that could be too but i wouldnt know lol

[flint widget]

eh I guess it's just different playstyles

i like every weapon

except axe

[oblique hazel]

i like all the weapons for the most part i just need to learn how to not take damage on everything else lol

[flint widget]

charon and nergal are the only exceptions but charon is so build limited and nergal needs psychic

[oblique hazel]

im tempted to try and clear with attack-based anubis using unseen because its the most similar to eos as far as i can tell

axe omega attack is easily my least favourite move in the game i hate it so muchhh

[flint widget]

just get the omega attack out and ez

i find that anything hitch related helps a lot with clearing rooms

especially her sprint

her sprint cheeses rivals scylla so hard

get the attack in and sprint across the entire arena ez game

[oblique hazel]

her sprint sucked on eos since i was rarely fully sprinting around without doing specials so i need to relearn that its a good boon lol

i think 2 weeks of not playing has made sirens impossible too so hitch might have to be my crutch until i can get my skill back

[flint widget]

surely you'll get anubis 62f first try right

[oblique hazel]

i already gave it one shot but second try guaranteed

first try i made it to fields so its genuinely promising 👀

[tawny arrow]

Running charon and winner circle

[vernal quiver]

twas a messy hecate but im out of erebus with armor 😌

sucks that i got lunar ray as her hex when i got fridgid rush 😔 , i shouldve just commited to dodging normally since i ended up tanking some hits

[tawny arrow]

Anybody else thinks charon is like the worst aspect in the game?

[vernal quiver]

p2 scylla was mean 😔 , matched my pb though and my boon luck that run was mediocre

[upbeat matrix]

Don't dl this winners is bad on charon

[vernal quiver]

crazy to say when pan exists

that too, winners circle is ass on charon since you dont have time to charge

[upbeat matrix]

Winners is weird it's good on omega cast build (except charon) and those casts like poseidon and heph

Which do damage on expiring

[lone quartz]

what build should i use with nergal? im bored and wanna try it out

[vernal quiver]

umm pray for psychic whirlwind, outside of that its just big% on basically everything, you can also do like blitz attack arc flash stuff

[lone quartz]

aphrodite and apollo build it is

[tawny arrow]

Yeah but it's funny af

[vernal quiver]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/912456622440325213/1456300553075294289/image.png?ex=6957dd14&is=69568b94&hm=c356b1fadb791b66c1e24baf07d20e73f0eb38f4faef24ef4d95ce06c0d0c9b3&
worlds worst zeus offering wtf is this

[unreal rose]

Winner's Circle + Apollo cast + Poseidon's Ocast damage boost + any ranged cast boon goes extremely hard with any weapon (except Charon)

[tawny arrow]

Nah i had the same but all lvl 1 commons and his revenge boon instead of rush

[spark crown]

Power surge fineline build time

[vernal quiver]

circe 67 🥀

[spark crown]

REVENGE BOON IS GOATED

Build chat should I redo my tier lists now I'm better at the game

[flint widget]

crazy thing to say when selene exists

[spark crown]

crazy thing to say when Medea exist

[odd bolt]

[flint widget]

im not falling for that ragebait

just because ur ass at the aspect doesn't mean its cheeks

[spark crown]

The aspect where you have to be touching the enemy is cheeks bro

[flint widget]

i like touching my enemies

they call me the diddler

[spark crown]

You would

[odd bolt]

Just do an ospecial medea build it's so simple

[vernal quiver]

just dont get hit

[flint widget]

exactly

[spark crown]

Kinda hard when poly decides to rearrange my skull with his foot

[flint widget]

if it's a polyp or a boulder tho ur cooked

[vernal quiver]

it cant be that hard bro

lemme find my surface clears and see how many did him hitless hold on

[flint widget]

i did damageless poly 62f medea

[spark crown]

Steam deck privilege fr fr
-# this is ragebait

[vernal quiver]

hes not even on the damage board for my 65 and 62

[flint widget]

all handheld players rise up

[vernal quiver]

so i kinda have to assume he was hitless or super close to hitless

[spark crown]

Ok rich man calm down

[flint widget]

im not that rich

[spark crown]

https://imgur.com/43FVPwZ

[flint widget]

maybe its just a skill issue

its a bday gift

i can't afford it

also charge ur phone

[spark crown]

Noh

[tawny arrow]

Just don't get hit

[tawny arrow]

Is cardio gain buns for supay?

[median anvil]

yes

[tawny arrow]

At leats it's not ionic gain

[flint widget]

id argue ionic gain is decent for supay since ur moving around a lot

[tawny arrow]

Never!

[tidal heart]

I just had a crazy set up, Aphro attack lvl8, Chaos +37% Attack dmg, Executioners Chop and Hell Splitter with Thanatos Aspect. i was doing like 4k every attack haha

[tawny arrow]

Just beat high fear scylla using supay with no rush boon or using omega moves

[flint widget]

eh it's possible

[spark crown]

Ew

[flint widget]

#h2-victory-boasting message

wtf is a rush boon

[lone quartz]

Rip

[flint widget]

eh at least i got a good time with antler

[grim current]

Why are there so many Rush boons that offer only DMG instead of the Olympians' respective Curses, anyway?

[median anvil]

i think having a rush boon apply blitz or froth would be kinda ridiculously busted

[flint widget]

yeah

[grim current]

But Hera's Rush boon does?

[flint widget]

same thing why some casts don't inflict curses

imagine if storm ring applied blitz

[flint widget]

nexus is good for room clear yeah but it sucks ass for bossing

[median anvil]

and it's not that great lol

[odd bolt]

it's sweet for rivals scylla

[flint widget]

anubis with nexus rush my beloved

[odd bolt]

but yeah in general not that insane

I think if you want a rush that does damage and apply a curse the best one is probably demeter

[opal pecan]

I love Nexus on Nyx :3

Nyxus Rush....

[odd bolt]

It's so good true

[flint widget]

if u think about it blinding rush is the best damaging rush boon

it damages ur opponents psychologically

[odd bolt]

TRUE

[flint widget]

another w for blinding rush

[odd bolt]

It's my favorite boon in the game

[grim current]

I did hear Hestia's Rush boon used to apply Scorch, making it ridiculously overpowered. However, that's probably one of the only Curses that can actually be scaled accordingly just like Hephaestus' Rush boon. Any reason why Supergiant dropped it entirely just to make Hestia's Rush boon a sub-par DMG-oriented boon?

[charred field]

Btw i finished rival ||typhon|| yesterday first try with that broken build yall gave me

[odd bolt]

Scorch was like reworked

I think if it applied scorch today depending on the amount it would either be too powerful or too weak

[charred field]

I think it's kinda bad the damage never changes

[opal pecan]

The lava puddles should each fire a fireball in a random direction. Is this good? No. Is it funny? Yes.

[odd bolt]

More fireballs for the funny fireball build

I would love that actually

[charred field]

Is this with fear?

[odd bolt]

I had so much fun doing a fireball build

[flint widget]

no more heat rush romantic spark synergy tho 💔

[opal pecan]

What heat rush romantic spark synergy

[flint widget]

with supay

blitz on whatever

and then sprint continuously on ur opponents and it procs blitz instantly

[opal pecan]

But you can do that with any rush boon?

[flint widget]

yeah but u get consistent damage in on top of blitz proccing

[opal pecan]

Fair enough. I submit that my totally non-busted idea is fireballs on top of the current effect ;P

[flint widget]

i concur

imagine cerb doing the counter and one of the fireballs just happens to hit him

[copper stag]

Can someone help me with a daggers build I’ve been trying to run a heph building on attack and special and Poseidon as support but I don’t feel like I do enough damage

[flint widget]

scorch attack blitz special and watch ur enemies die in 5 seconds or less

[copper stag]

Doesn’t matter the aspect? I’ve been using Artemis

[opal pecan]

Do you even have origination in that build

[copper stag]

Yes

[opal pecan]

I don't think the specific blades aspect matters so much if you're just doing scorchety scorch

[flint widget]

doesn't really matter tbh

[copper stag]

Ok

[opal pecan]

Great Auntie is a good auntie

[flint widget]

i favor mel blades tho cuz special with dmg boosts and backstab instantly procs blitz

[copper stag]

Ok

I’m dash striking a lot since I have hubris on

Primes my magic

[flint widget]

blades doesn't really need magick anyway

[copper stag]

Yeah

Omega attack for back stab

[opal pecan]

I don't see what Hubris has to do with dash-striking tbh. I'm a fan of dash-striking but like, just hitting the dude shouldn't require magick anyway?

[flint widget]

i think u should do the classic attack then special attack combo

gets scorch in and blitz as well

[flint widget]

why would u omega attack if it's not morrigan or artemis

[opal pecan]

They did say it was Artemis

[flint widget]

i think they switched to mel blades now

[copper stag]

I guessing I’m doing it wrong? But I thought it was the best way to get behind the enemy

[opal pecan]

You could also just dash behind em

[flint widget]

special backstabs no matter what ur position is

[copper stag]

Plus yeah Artemis

[flint widget]

also scorch doesn't benefit from backstab dmg obviously so u can just attack from anywhere

[odd bolt]

Shoutout to Icarus for giving me hell splitter and bricking my build

[flint widget]

eh that's the nature of gambling

we always take the gamble tho

[odd bolt]

Of course

I'll run it back later and pick hammer again I don't care

[astral blade]

So what's our favorite Special boon to slap on a Daybreaker

I've just started playing with Aspect of Eos Flames, and I'm enjoying having Hera on it, but it does feel a little redundant because Hitch is already so good on the Flames Ω Special anyway? I guess the damage boost doesn't hurt though

[odd bolt]

Scorch is really good

[flint widget]

blitz

it's just blitz

[vernal quiver]

Arc flash 🗣🔥🔥🔥

[flint widget]

plus blitz double strike static shock trio my beloved

[odd bolt]

When is it not

[flint widget]

blitz is good on everything except charon

[odd bolt]

But I think scorch can be good too no? Even if not best in slot

[flint widget]

yeah it's good too

same with poseidon

hitch too

[fiery kraken]

If you have the torch o special with blitz and the omegas triggers blitz boom, do you get the one hit starts blitz and second activates?

Or do you have to have a different omega to activate it?

[flint widget]

rephrase

[fiery kraken]

I have blitz on special and the "omega triggers blitz" boon. I activate o special and cause the rotation. Now when I walk up to a monster and hit it twice with the spinning balls, will that both give it blitz and fire it?

Or do I have to give it blitz then use a second omega to cause it to fire

[flint widget]

former option

[fiery kraken]

Cool

[astral blade]

So by putting Blitz on the Special, the Daybreaker triggers it automatically during your Attack spam, while letting you add yet another damage boon onto the Attack itself

[flint widget]

wdym attack spam

[fiery kraken]

I feel like daybreakfer copies when you special

[flint widget]

it's special spam for eos

get the daybreaker out and spam specials

[fiery kraken]

I feel like daybreakfer copies when you special

[flint widget]

yeah that's literally the aspect

[astral blade]

Oh, it copies when you use Special

I read that as it just auto-fires with your Special's effect or something

I get it

[flint widget]

u can see how it's op af

whoever invented high fear olympus should go (REDACTED)

i love losing my dds to one room sm

[surreal hazel]

Nah. The pulses it does is classed as omega attack damage

[scarlet ferry]

I wish the aspect of Shiva’s Destructive boosted the regular attack instead of the omega attack

It’d be way more fun to use and way less awkward

[surreal hazel]

It gets used up in one go though

[alpine raft]

tap into the auto-fire shiva

[surreal hazel]

Besides it kinda did work that way

And it was kinda awkward

[odd bolt]

That reminds me I'll have to play Shiva 40f

Honestly i would enjoy the aspect a lot more if it straight up didn't have a dash strike

[flint widget]

dash strike shiva doesn't exist

just like hel omega attack and medea omega special

[alpine raft]

whats the dash strike hammer called

[flint widget]

mooncrest riser i think

[surreal hazel]

Mooncrest Riser

You can have exhaust riser, that doubles the number of hits. Or mooncrest that adds an additive 40% damage and 20% more radius

[odd bolt]

Those two literally don't exist but like

maybe it's cause I don't play Shiva enough but I can't for the love of me stop doing dash strike

[alpine raft]

its hard to use those on accident

[odd bolt]

Cause my brain automatically does it

[odd bolt]

Exactly

[surreal hazel]

There's rumours that Charon has an "attack" button as well, but it's a secret

[flint widget]

theres a way to cancel dash strike in shiva but im not doing that

cuz im not running shiva in one million years

[odd bolt]

Yeah I've heard that too but I don't know exactly how to do it

[alpine raft]

it's not so hard but i find it too awkward to be fun

wdym dash special

[surreal hazel]

At least the special does what it's told

[bronze flax]

Big if true

[valid shard]

Is there a build for beginners? Or at least the usual core until im 10 hours in

Arcana cards and keepsakes

[odd bolt]

How much grasp do you have?

[alpine raft]

check the pinned

[grim current]

Boy, am I complacent with Nergal. Anything that doesn't congeal into red paste when after 3-4 swings I continue to ram my head against. Any tips with Nergal versus Unrivaled Prometheus & Typhon?

[flint widget]

get psychic

if not reset

[scarlet ferry]

Get the Persistence, Centaur, death defiance/strength, and Origination arcanas as soon as you can

[median anvil]

learn their big opening windows to charge up an oattack

[tawny arrow]

Frenzy 2 prometheus:
teleports behind you notjing personnel, kiddo

[scarlet ferry]

Then you do the same thing back with the sister blades omega attack

Dodging Prometheus’ leaping ground slam attack with the blades omega attack is one of the coolest feelings in the game

[tiny oar]

I played hades 2 for 20 hours(120 hours on hades) and i can beat chronos with every weapons with 8 fears consistently with the upgraded arcana. Will the game become harder as the story progress or should i just add fear ?

[scarlet ferry]

Add fear. That’s the way the game gets harder

Go for 16 next

The surface is also harder than the underworld

[tiny oar]

Is the game easier than Hades?

i remember struggling a lot in Hades

[scarlet ferry]

The weapons are generally stronger but I wouldn’t flat out say it’s easier.

[scarlet ferry]

Well you have over 100 hours in the first one so of course you’re learning the second one quicker

What vows are you currently using for your 8 fear?

[median anvil]

mel is stronger than zag yes, the game becomes mechanically harder than h1 only at the highest fear levels

(assuming equal amount of heat/fear)

[scarlet ferry]

Unlocking vow of rivals will make it much harder

[tiny oar]

i'm french so this might not be a perfect translation but i have: 3grit, hordes, menace, time and rivals

[median anvil]

grit and hordes 💀

[tiny oar]

for some weapons i switch to pain

[odd bolt]

Yes

Actually it's just that it's easier to make a busted build

[thin gazelle]

Yeah like fates whim

[odd bolt]

Not that the enemies themselves are easier or something

Even without fates whim tbh

[thin gazelle]

Rerolls are also great but those were in H1

[tiny oar]

i feel like every weapons and boons are strong

[odd bolt]

But even rerolls are way better in h2

[thin gazelle]

Ephyra 🤑🤑🤑

[odd bolt]

The game is pretty balanced yeah

When you go climbing for the higher fears some weapons fall off but like that's normal

For low fear anything works

[tiny oar]

every weapons are so cool to play

[scarlet ferry]

Well they specifically want the game to be harder

[scarlet ferry]

Add on Frenzy, Debt, Fangs, Shadows, and Menace if you want to raise the difficulty.

I don’t know if you have Vow of Rivals unlocked but that too

[tiny oar]

that's a lot but i will try

[tiny oar]

i don't think

[scarlet ferry]

Well you don’t have to add them all at once. Gradually raise it until you find a difficulty you like

[tiny oar]

ok

[tiny oar]

how do you unlock the "vow of rivals"?

[scarlet ferry]

I don’t remember the specific requirements, but just keep playing the game and raising the fear and eventually Selene dialogue will unlock it

[tiny oar]

ok

is it worth it to add fear after 32

is there a reward or something

[median anvil]

have to beat each path twice i think?

[median anvil]

nope, it's just a fun challenge if you're into it

[tiny oar]

I am but a reward would have been cool

[thin gazelle]

The reward is that you post it in #h2-victory-boasting and we go “woah cool”

[tiny oar]

that's nice

[indigo crescent]

how the hell do you play supay aspect

[odd bolt]

Omegas, a good rush boon and then sprint

[median anvil]

get on hit effects. hera and zeus are best, poseidon and hestia are also good

rush boon is the other way around, prioritize poseidon and hestia, zeus and hera a good second

[scarlet ferry]

Bragging rights on this discord

[scarlet ferry]

What Pizza said. The base damage is so bad that percentage boosts barely do anything

[surreal hazel]

Get Nexus Rush on Supay, hold sprint, win most of the early game that way

[scarlet ferry]

Worst part of Supay is the beginning of Ephyra when you do no damage

[fiery kraken]

Isn't hera a percent boon?

Or is she just an exception?

[scarlet ferry]

An exception since the hitch is really handy for crowd control

[fiery kraken]

Does heph count as an on hit? It kind of is, but doesn't really scale with number of attacks

[grim current]

That's kind of the problem. I did have Psychic Whirlwind. I killed Twins & Tail of Typhon so fast, I got complacent.

[scarlet ferry]

On hit with a cooldown I guess

Lowest you can get the cooldown is 1.5s

[old plover]

Hera is a percent boon, but on some weapons it's worth picking Hera on one half of the weapon just to apply hitch, and then deal the actual damage with the other half of the weapon.

[old plover]

Heph is definitely funny with Supay, but for room clears you probably need a different god first.

[hearty horizon]

Does anyone know the exact attack speeds of the weapons? Like hits per second I mean or time per attack

[viral yew]

If anyone would know it'd be people in the speedcord

[broken spoke]

We do vibe based measurements

[viral yew]

Exactly

[opal pecan]

There are attack rate numbers on the wiki but IDK how far to trust em

[umbral horizon]

His tier 2 boon Grand caldera scale it. Or you could try his Duo boon Rude Awakening for a big blast.

[opal pecan]

Yeah, but it still doesn't "scale with number of attacks".

[astral blade]

So what's the deal with White Antler. I feel like I just don't get why it's here

[broken spoke]

Huge risk huge reward

There is other way to take hit other than hp

Like armor, barrier, dodge

And randomly fk over people in chaos trial

[viral yew]

Antler my beloved 🤤

I take it almost every run

[indigo crescent]

How good / bad are the following aspects?

Thanatos
Persephone
Nyx
Shiva
Hel

They're the last 5 I need for 100%ing the game

[broken spoke]

Good

Hel is more annoying because it kinda only have 1 build

That ain't miserable to play

[viral yew]

Three if you count scorch, pos, and static shock

[alpine raft]

blitz attack is good too

surely youll get 1 of 3 attacks

[viral yew]

Blitz is good on anything

[grim current]

Under the pretense Strength & Death are exactly the same in balance with Change of Fate, how do the two compare with Fates' Whim since equipping Gorgon Amulet is heavily discouraged?

[broken spoke]

Depends on what more comfortable for you

And when you need gorgon amulet, breaking fate whim isn't a huge deal

[vernal quiver]

Yeah by the time youd use gorgon(r3) your build is basically done and if you rolled gigaros it stops being a big component of your damage anyway

Tanking dds specifically to take gorgon r3 for uw is a valid strategy if scylla goes bad

[odd bolt]

If you're going for speeds with jpom (and strength) its still useful to pick athena to pause the timer and stuff

On region 3 ofc

[grim current]

Well, feces. I just equipped Hestia's strike onto Medea & hoped to gods the Scorch is applied per shell load instead of all at once.

Otherwise, I sure as hell hope I can find a Sacrificial boon... eventually.

[opal pecan]

Technically, the "ideal" sequence on Medea is to only load one shell at a time anyway, fwiw.

Not saying that You Must Play The Optimal Way, but just that it isn't something to worry over in the first place (though I believe it is indeed per shell)

[grim current]

Oh thank gods. It does.

[grim current]

Oh, hey. Scorch was my 2nd greatest source of DMG behind Casts (I had Demeter's Ring & Hail Storm). Then again, I also had Thermal Dynamics to massive increase my Scorch DMG...

[azure coral]

just did a mel axe + frinos + hearty appetite + spiritual affirmation + weed killer + secret crush + shameless attitude surface run and also managed to get sun worshiper and winter harvest… numbers were bananas

[rapid mirage]

does scorch like keep enemies alive after ive depleted there hp bars until the scorth damage over time is completed?

thats what it feels like sometimes

[viral yew]

Scorch doesn't increase health it just shows how much damage it's going to do

If part of the healthbar is orange they're still alive but will die to the scorch

[rapid mirage]

i feel like a lot i see enemies with no healthbar left and just a scorth orange bit on their health bar and they arent dying

[viral yew]

That scorch orange bit is their health, does 100 damage per second at base

If you leave them long enough they will die

[spark crown]

@bitter wren isnt good enought to play fear
-# this is ragebait (he cant play rn as hes away from home :P )

[bitter wren]

Yea mb I'm currently stuck 5 hours away from home 🙏 😢

[vernal quiver]

Get his ass on 67f asap 🗣🔥

[bitter wren]

Trust I will

Frfr

[calm valley]

Does selene's keepsake break fates whim?

[broken spoke]

No

[digital juniper]

nope, you’re good to use it

[broken spoke]

It isn't Olympian summoning keepsake

[digital juniper]

it’s only the 9 main gods’ keepsakes and athena’s that breaks fate’s whim

so dionysus, hermes and artemis’ keepsakes don’t break it either

[queen surge]

Thank god because Jpom runners would be NERFED

[vernal quiver]

Tbf unless youre going for speed you dont touch most of those

And antler in r4 would be fine since you already have the entire build

Unless you pulled like dissent off of jpom

[median anvil]

her hitch effect is crazy in crowded rooms

[arctic matrix]

How does Time Piece work? Does it let you purge rewards instead of accepting them or does it add rewards to the pool of purging options

I imagine it's the former cos "red onion" would be very strange to see in the pool of purging

Related, once I have all the Fates Whim keepsakes is there an agreed upon optimal order to take at least the pom (+3 boon levels) and the calling card (rarify 6 times)? Does the pom retroactively upgrade boons?

[median anvil]

you delete a reward and get gold instead, the former

[arctic matrix]

Thought so

[median anvil]

start jpom, take chrolex second region

calling card is weaker than the other two and is rarely taken if you have a boon coming up that scales ridiculously with rarity

[arctic matrix]

Oh okay

I thought it might have been card to rarify the Good boon and then pom to upgrade levels (if it does that retroactively) cos you only get the chance to rarify w the card before taking the boon

Does pom retroactively upgrade boons?

[median anvil]

nope

[arctic matrix]

Boooo

[median anvil]

that's why you start with it

[arctic matrix]

Makes sense but boooo

How do you deal with the big bag of gold when it's doing its gold spewing attack

In my experience moving away means both zero dps and getting McFreakin' nailed by the laser

But staying close means 50 bajillion damage

[median anvil]

uhhh i haven't taken side rooms in a long ass time but every weapon has some long range options

[arctic matrix]

Other than like, "kill it before it does that"

[arctic matrix]

I guess the main concern is getting lasered when the gold attack subsides, but that could probably be solved by watching for the gold to go back in and getting close when it does (unless I'm misremembering and it doesn't actually do that before the laser happens again)

[indigo crescent]

Alright, Nyx and Shiva next and I am done

Can't do this no more

[grim current]

As much as I love Nergal, this is the 3rd time I failed a 16 Fear run. I don't even need to run Fear anymore. I once again expose myself from Unrivaled Typhon's jaw slams.

Or, rather, just underestimate how much endlag Nergal's moves have.

You have a familiar name, @arctic matrix. I wonder what other Discord server you browse.

Seriously. I don't remember.

[arctic matrix]

Discord says this is our only mutual one

I did leave a buncha servers a while back, or maybe you've seen me on Reddit?

[median anvil]

you can watch a 62 fear run but those tend to get an early psychic whirlwind

[arctic matrix]

Don't think I was ever super active in any of the gaming ones i left tho, in memory I've been active in 11bit (frostpunk), darkest dungeon, fear and hunger, monster train, Celeste, Balatro, EaW

And I'm still in all of them

[arctic matrix]

Any chance you were previously in any of those servers?

[grim current]

Darkest Dungeon, yes.

But we digress.

Aspect of Nergal is fun.

Too bad I'm bad at it, no matter how quickly I can turn most enemies to paste.

[arctic matrix]

What it do, and what weapon is it on?

[broken spoke]

When in doubt, spin

[grim current]

Slow, singular hits--albeit able to move during windup. Omega special is replaced with a radial, multi-hit ground pound. After sufficient hits, enter Berserk. Increased attack speed & Gain on hit: 1.

I'm able to obliterate my enemies, but it's made me complacent.

It's too easy for me to overestimate how long its endlag is, which I face multiple jaw slams.

[arctic matrix]

Didn't realise Melinoe could be affected by healing from Darkest Dungeon 2

[flint widget]

yeah nergal without psychic is like easily d tier

[grim current]

But it's fuuuuuun...!

[flint widget]

on high fear it isnt

and im high fear pilled to the core

[grim current]

Even just 16 fear...?

[arctic matrix]

Psychic?

[broken spoke]

At 16 you just gonna smash your way thru

[arctic matrix]

Searching the wiki for that word doesn't help

[grim current]

Psychic Whirlwind Daedalus hammer upgrade. Omega attack is a free action.

[arctic matrix]

Ah

[grim current]

Like I said, that's how it is with 90% of battles.

[flint widget]

16f it can work sure

on 50f+ tho it's gonna struggle

due to the existence of wards and grit

[grim current]

Grit?

[flint widget]

you can't easily one shot or two shot enemies

more hp

[tawny arrow]

Wait until you find out about sucker enemies

Let alone frenzy

[grim current]

I've been running lv 3 Grit all the time.

Frenzy, I can 100% understand hard-countering Nergal.

[flint widget]

yea frenzy is the big one

[tawny arrow]

By the time you went thru 10% of the windup animation you're already fish food

[broken spoke]

Insane

[flint widget]

nergal is slow af and enemies being faster makes a clusterf*ck

[grim current]

But Grit??? It's a big fecund-off hammer. Big whoop, I can't kill enemies in 1 hit.

[tawny arrow]

Doesn't everybody do that?
Used to have grit even on lower fears

[broken spoke]

There is much more free fear

[flint widget]

like hubris and shadow

scars 1, time 2, denial even

[grim current]

Enemies die way too fast for me without lv 3 Grit beyond Unrivaled Prometheus & Typhon.

[tawny arrow]

Well i guess low fear was a faulty statement
Had everything except timer and frenzy, and all the stupid ones like no arcana or denial

I prefer harder enemies to a time limit and less boons to play around with

[grim current]

It's fun to experiment with ever-greater builds by amping up the enemy's power: Grit & Hordes is fun.

[flint widget]

personally i find time 3 and denial to be free fear

you don't need that much boons to win tbh

[grim current]

Like I said, Nergal is a big-ass fecund-off hammer.

[tawny arrow]

Too much adhd for timer, one time i admired some flowers for like 30 secs after a mid erebus fountain before i realized that the clock is ticking

Also in general i barely make time on first region bosses

[flint widget]

maybe u should change ur name to flower fan

[tawny arrow]

What are flowers if not a beautiful manifestation of entropy?

They grow, they have their time in the sun, and then they wilt.

[flint widget]

that's so tuff

[grim current]

Hubris used to be a gimme for me. Then I just went for Fangs & Shadow because they're more fun.

[tawny arrow]

Yeah entropy goes hard man

[grim current]

Vow of Return is both anxiety-inducing & frustration-rousing.

[tawny arrow]

I don't like hubris cus i can't manage my magick worth a damn anyways

[flint widget]

i agree until i get the invincible perk on an autowatcher

then im just done for

[vernal quiver]

The invincible perk is so annoying

[flint widget]

hubris is still free tho imo

[tawny arrow]

Hitting a whammy jammy combo on 10 billion fishies and seeing half of their souls leave their bodies is like winning a jackpot tho

[vernal quiver]

Then the room takes 5 minutes cuz theres a billion fish

[flint widget]

at least if u use scorch on the fish u get cooked fish

[tawny arrow]

Don't care, love gambling, big jackpot

[vernal quiver]

One of my 62s yesterday had such a lead going into oceanus then I got hit with 3 fish rooms and I was behind

[flint widget]

https://tenor.com/view/cute-adorable-duckling-haha-classic-gif-17283485

[tawny arrow]

Fish are simultaneously my favorite and least favorite enemy
If i get a hitch hestia whatever combo that nukes them from orbit it instantly fries my dopamine receptors
But on the other hand they just never stop coming

[grim current]

Huh. Guess I'm glad I've never fought Pinheads in high Fear.

What about the Sharktaur mofos?

[tawny arrow]

What is the usual 62f layout anyways? What's ticked off?

[tawny arrow]

Dudes with the tridents or whatever?
Suck cus they're bullet sponges with deceptive range but not so bad if you have distance management

[flint widget]

everything but void

[tawny arrow]

Void is 5f???

[flint widget]

yes

[tawny arrow]

Jeez
Well i get why but still

Don't think i ever in my life even used void 1

[vernal quiver]

I hate how they have a super armor move

[flint widget]

i used max void before without any extra vows and ngl its harder than 32f

can't imagine doing 67f

[vernal quiver]

67 ain't bad if youre just crazy

[flint widget]

65f is ez tho u just hit

[grim current]

I've only maxed out Vow of Void when trying to do that one quest. Even then, I also had White Antler, so the two times I tried it, I failed--only getting that quest from Trial of Humility.

[vernal quiver]

Mitigating hits in the regions is fine with any decent game knowledge, its the bosses that ruin runs or bad fangs luck

[grim current]

After that, I'm never touching Vow of Void again.

[flint widget]

or bad room rng really

u can get screwed over by getting no short combat encounters even with the nuts

[vernal quiver]

Once you get past oceanus its pretty smooth timer wise

[flint widget]

until chronos

[tawny arrow]

One time i misclicked a chaos boon that removed my arcana for 5 encounter for a DD
Didn't even get to use that extra DD lol

[flint widget]

cuz no barriers means u have to take ur time

or else ur cooked

[tawny arrow]

Oh yeah same
But that was low low fear

[old plover]

What exactly counts as a "strike" for Static Shock? Is it only weapon strikes? Or do god effects like the lightning bolts from Storm Ring also trigger it?

[broken spoke]

Your attacks and specials

[old plover]

aight

[old plover]

Do the randomized Chaos trials give the normal boss rewards on top of the gems, or only gems?

Guess I'm about to find out the hard way 🤷

[flint widget]

i have no idea who runs the chaos trials in the big 2026

[old plover]

Oh ffs it randomizes my arcana and familiar as well. I have to play with Death now 😭

[old plover]

They're a prophecy

[flint widget]

whats wrong with death

death is the goat

[old plover]

Strength feels way too good

[flint widget]

just lost moros 62f surface redo with antler to babality

chronos is kicking my ass wtf

[tawny arrow]

Love strength but at higj fear you basically need death unless you're superman

[old plover]

How does Local Climate ("if you are in the binding circle, the bonus is doubled") work with the staff aspect of Circe? Is the bonus doubled for only the cast I am standing in, or is it enough to stand in one to double it in both?

Aight I just tested it, and it seems to double regardless.

[median anvil]

me when I'm superman 😌

[flint widget]

im superman too

tho im more of a starman really

https://tenor.com/view/evil-superman-gif-632723218522114279

[vivid hedge]

I'm new to the game can someone give rank all the gods in hades 2 so I can take a look at which boons I should go for and which ones to avoid

[median anvil]

everything has its specific use but zeus and hera are generally strong

[umbral horizon]

Ares is best

[vivid hedge]

What does hera's do? I never actually picked up any of her boons

I avoid them most of the time in exchange for other items/boons

[odd bolt]

You might not have even seen her actually

Have you played a run in the || surface || ?

[old plover]

Right now you should go for whatever you haven't gone for yet, as there are rewards for having picked each boon at least once.

[vivid hedge]

huh I actually haven't

Must have not seen her boons at all then

[potent verge]

Ok so weird question for trinket/arcana strategy. Is fates whim solid or just meh? Ive been trying to piece together some good runs with it, and still feels like olympian keepsakes/rolling is better. I am newer to 2 though so I might just be missing something.

[digital juniper]

they are both very viable, go with what you enjoy

both have the potential to be very strong

[old plover]

Fates Whim is extremely strong on Surface, where you get to see a lot of doors right off the bat.

But both options are viable on both routes

[potent verge]

ok cool, ive been trying it on chronos, and it always gets really close, super strong early but I feel like i fall apart late.

Ill give it a few runs on surface and see.

mainly just focusing on time right now btw.

[umbral horizon]

Fate whim is really strong for clang builds

[potent verge]

I just had a run where it was blast on dash

I think my cooldown was down to 2 seconds using it, It just wasnt putting out damage like i thought it would

[old plover]

You don't need to stay at fate's whim tbf. You can grab Athena for fields.

[potent verge]

Ah cool, that was gonna be the next question, when to swap etc.

[old plover]

Just make sure you use up your Chrolex before that.

[potent verge]

It feels like a different approach

[old plover]

You lose the benefits for the rest of the run, but the money stays in your pockets and any beefed-up boons stay beefed up.

[potent verge]

ah cool

sweet, ill give it a few shots

thanks!

[old plover]

np ^^

Oh and, this goes wihout saying, but it also helps to pick a versatile weapon if you wanna run JPom. Like, Charon axe is really sad without Apollo for example, but hidden axe is fine with any %-attack boon and isn't picky about it.

[potent verge]

I need to finish unlocking weapons tbh, i got credits yesterday and am really just diving into a little bit of this to get a little faster

[old plover]

You'll get there ^^

[manic shuttle]

blast dash not worth it

attack and special could be really good with fates whim tho

[tawny arrow]

Great filler dash tho, lots of others are kinda meh

Fire and forget kinda thing

[potent verge]

Cool, ill try to get a run with that as well, I found myself basically always going aphrodite/zeus, so just trying to branch out a bit

[odd bolt]

It's super powerful, are you starting with jeweled pom?

[potent verge]

I can pretty consistently run like 11 mins with whatever the jetpack is with aphrodites attack and the triple dash strike

[manic shuttle]

hera and hestia are also really strong

[potent verge]

its nasty, but i see other people running 8-9 mins

[tawny arrow]

Every god is strong depending on your luck and build

[potent verge]

i need to play more hera, ive completely ignored her

but had one of the chaos runs where she was focused

opened my eyes

[tawny arrow]

Best god for clearing groups and it's not even a competition

[potent verge]

Yeah, im just bad about getting comfortable with a certain strat

but sweet, ill give some things a try, if you all have any fun/unique/you wouldnt think about combos please link em/suggest them

appreciate all the input

[odd bolt]

There's a guide pinned on this channel with multiple builds for every aspect

[tawny arrow]

Get a hera cast and you can take down a group of 20 enemies like bowling pins

[tawny arrow]

What's your fav weapon or a weapon you wanna try

[potent verge]

I honestly don't have one yet, I loved bow with chiron in 1. I am not a huge fan of the axe yet, but Im just bad with it.

I have had a lot of fun with the pacing of black coat.

[tawny arrow]

Knives have an aspect that makes your specials lock on to anybody in your cast
Put poseidon/hestia on special and you got a slammer build already (although the aspect itself is kinda buns tbh)

[old plover]

I used to really love Chiron in H1 too, but the knives one does have a much different vibe, despite the same idea.

[tawny arrow]

Yeah like i said kinda buns
But the same concepts apply to coat rockets for example

[old plover]

Like part of Chiron's charm was that it was entirely ranged. The knives have to go up close and personal.

[tawny arrow]

Basically if you have slow big damage attacks, give em a status increase lile ares/aphro etc.
If you have a bunch of fast weak attacks, you might want something like poseidon/hera on it

[potent verge]

oh I do want to make a special build for coat, but all based off the attack proccing them

[tawny arrow]

Wdym by attack proccing?

[potent verge]

so dependent on hammer for that

you can get the weapon upgrade that gives your attack 25% to launch special

[tawny arrow]

The one that makes your attacks shoot specials sometimes?

Yeah that one

[potent verge]

yeah, i was thinking that with hephaestus blast

[tawny arrow]

Just press the special button in between attacks lol

[potent verge]

get the cooldown low enough, it would proc constantly without thinking about it

It always misses when i do that

it just kinda launches in a random direction and doesnt hit anything?

[tawny arrow]

Lowest heph cooldown is 2 secs (technically 1.5 with special conditions)
Could work for you and be a fun build but not very strong as you have a BUNCH of rockets which only do damage once in a while
In general heph isn't the best on coat but can work, especially on its hidden aspect

[tawny arrow]

Non omega rockets try to follow the enemy but are kinda lazy and tend to miss

[potent verge]

ah ok, I thought I was just doing something wrong, I felt like they were all missing

[tawny arrow]

There's a hammer that makes em faster and also one that makes em bounce between enemies

[potent verge]

so I stopped throwing it into the rotation. MY current strat is the triple dashstrike, typically has chain lightning and aphro close buff. I dash strike in and weave casts and standard attacks between them

pretty sure the attacks and casts are coming out during the dash strikes, but not removing the damage

[old plover]

They can also be roughly aimed. They actually try to go in the direction you're aiming. Just, not very consistently.

[tawny arrow]

For a coat rockets build i would probably use poseidon/hestia/zeus or a combination of them
For example if you have zeus attack and his air quality boon (makes you deal a minimum of 50 damage) and then poseidon on special, you can use the attack to activate blitz and then the special will do 100 dmg minimum (50 for rocket and 50 for splash) and probably activate blitz as well

[old plover]

Lowkey, coat special is probably way easier with KnM than with Controller, since you rarely want them to fire in the direction you're moving.

[potent verge]

oh I havent thought about that

[tawny arrow]

Not to mention chain lightning on top of that

[potent verge]

ill give that a shot as well

Chain lightning with air quality is basically in every build I run lol

[tawny arrow]

Which will also activate twice and do 50 dmg for each lightning ball

[potent verge]

its SO good. I think aphros weakness curse legendary is the only thing better for me most of the time

[tawny arrow]

Now you're doing around 320-420 damage per ROCKET at a minimum, not even including the splash damage you're doing to everybody around the enemy

[potent verge]

ahh great, ok ill give it a few runs with kbm too

[tawny arrow]

50 for rocket, 50 for splash, 100 for 2 chain lightnings, and around 120-220 for blitz
Now multiply that by your number of rockets and the fact that you're proccing everything from surrounding enemies

[potent verge]

I normally play most games kbm anyways, I think I went to controller because i played the first one on steamdeck so much.

[tawny arrow]

I only play kbm cus the xbox 360 controller is the only one i shall ever use
The perfect controller

[potent verge]

My hands are too small to really truly love them, I will only use them for halo now. But I understand the love.

[tawny arrow]

My hands are too big for anything else

Played rdr2 on the ps4 and i accidentally kept jumping and diving around and switching weapons for no reason

Btw if you're not using the origination arcana swap to it asap

[potent verge]

origination is on both of the sets i use it looks like

[tidal heart]

Apollo legendary with axe and Seething Marauder and Furious Whirlwind is loads of fun haha.

[digital juniper]

try that but psychic whirlwind instead, even better!

[flint widget]

yo a fellow steam deck player? let's effing go

steam deck is the goat

[old plover]

Anyone know if Shocking Loss can insta-kill minibosses?

[opal pecan]

Yes (though I believe the Summit minibosses might be immune)

[old plover]

ah unfortunate

Guess it's Killer Current then

[opal pecan]

Ah, are you already through with Olympus? That's a shame, Shocking Loss is so good to get earlier in the run

[old plover]

yup. And I'm running the randomized Chaos trial, and got forced to Antler peak.

[potent verge]

oh yeah, I mean I play on it a lot, I take it camping with me often haha!

[fiery kraken]

I'm on steamdeck too

amusingly my last aspect to 32 fear all aspects uw is medea and it's kind of a struggle

I keep specialing directly into an attack

[flint widget]

https://tenor.com/view/cyclops-ryu-dap-me-up-dap-dap-up-gif-2485274535169214603

beat 62f while in school once thanks to the goat steam deck

[tight marten]

I played nergal quite a few times and won fairly decently, but I always felt like I didn't get how to build it right, I've done runs that were more focused on the omega attack with apollo to get as much range as possible then runs with the omega special with aphrodite but I don't know, is there any way to build it better?

[fiery kraken]

psychic whirlwind is a lot of fun

[old plover]

O-Attack and the right hammer to buff it is my go-to.

[fiery kraken]

charge up o attack, release and dash strike and start another charge while melting everyone around you

[old plover]

I like Hephaestus on the special bc I can apply it quickly and then go back to attacking.

[tight marten]

but as for the boons, what should I put on my o-attack? was apollo the better one?

I guess it all depends what you want to do but I ain't confident...

[old plover]

Apollo is good. Aphrodite and Ares and Hera are probably also decent, but I always use Apollo when I can get him.

[fiery kraken]

a big percentage attack - apollo is amazing, hera is good, aphroditie is good

zeus is always good

[tight marten]

oh and also, the anubis aspect, which is better (let's assume they're both heroic) poseidon or hestia?

[fiery kraken]

apollo is solid (especially the aoe benefit) but the others help you get origination up quickly, which is also a big damage buff

[old plover]

I'm currently using this aspect for the first time and just had Poseidon offer me a sacrifice-boon on Hera's attack. I'm about to tell you lol

Okay Poseidon's room-clear is actually so much faster it's not close. This can't just be the rarity-upgrade

[opal pecan]

Anubis' attack is a bunch of little hits, so therefore: