h2-builds-and-combat

[glacial sundial]

it's disabled in morrigan
I think it'd be less broken

[glacial sundial]

you can do the ritual faster by putting yourself at risk
fair?

[cerulean panther]

Trick Knives is waaay better than Phantom Etchings.

[glacial sundial]

I 4 tapped his ass into phase 4 😭

tbf I had heffy on both attack and special but

[cerulean panther]

And imagine how much more quickly you'd have been putting those Blood Triads out if you hadn't had to stop to press Special even once.

[glacial sundial]

but when you dash strike into him you put yourself at risk cuz you can't dash back out like in the first game
it's risk n' reward as for the other one it's just free damage

and yes

I just wanna spam ritual

let a man live his dreams

[alpine raft]

you dash strike anyway on morrigan

[glacial sundial]

uhhh

I thoght everybody used omega attack

yk , to get close?

[alpine raft]

you dash strike into the omega

[glacial sundial]

isn't that way slower

than just omega attack special then normal attack

[opal pecan]

On some weapons, dash strike into omega attack shortens the animation iirc

[alpine raft]

dash strike into omega is also 1 button

[opal pecan]

Anubis being another of these

[opal pecan]

Well now that's just not true, dash is another button :P

[hallow cobalt]

Yo guys…is aspect of pan just kinda….

[cerulean panther]

Have you played Dispatch yet?

Because I just thought of an analogy using late-game events.

[hallow cobalt]

You asking me?

[cerulean panther]

Anyway, they took Pan out back and put elephant gun rounds into its ankles back in The Unseen Update, but Trick Knives works around that and it becomes a top 5 Aspect in the game.

[hallow cobalt]

[cerulean panther]

The idea of the Aspect is to lay your Cast down, channel an Omega Special, and let all 10 knives rip.

[hallow cobalt]

Im trying to shoehorn a surface poseidon build with pan

I got the tech down i just had a pretty terrible run

[cerulean panther]

Back in June of this year, they made it so that Dashing out of the Omega Special (which used to be the only way to play it) canceled any knives that hadn't flown yet but didn't refund any MP spent.

So now you either roll for Trick Knives (3 Special knives on Dash-Strike) or pick a different Aspect.

[hallow cobalt]

[cerulean panther]

Yep, used to be my favorite Aspect in the whole game and I find Trick Knives utterly boring.

[flint widget]

ngl hidden knives makes actually omega specialing viable

[cerulean panther]

That's not untrue.

[flint widget]

almost won a pan 62f with actually omega specialing cuz of this but i fumbled p3 💔 💔 💔

[scarlet ferry]

Omega special is viable with Pan in general

[flint widget]

its slow af to channel even with sorceress

hidden knives adding that free +3 knives (idk if this is correct or not) is massive

[scarlet ferry]

It’s not that hard to increase the channel speed

[flint widget]

im aware but even with stuff like sudden flurry which increases channel speed by 40% the omega special still feels slow

(without hidden knives)

so it's either pray for hidden knives or pray for trick knives

[alpine raft]

if only pan started channeling with the +5

[flint widget]

or if they reverted this change

[old plover]

I think I need some pointers to more consistently beat PromeCules. I'm running Shiva. I think my boon builds are pretty good already, focussing on percent-buffs on both special and attack, prioritizing Hera special if possible, and prioritizing Poseidon gain over other sources of gain. I'm also running Hecuba and find her extra Magick to be necessary to get quickly through Ephyra a lot of the time. This is my current Arcana loadout: https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/
Is there anything specific about the PromeCules fight that I should try to do / be wary of? Any boons that I might be over- or undervaluing? Or any tricks to using Shiva that I might not be thinking of?

[flint widget]

first thing to do: switch to a better aspect

[old plover]

:(

If you're saying Shiva is bad, I'm assuming Meli coat is probably considered the best one?

[flint widget]

also the duos called promacles not promecules

[cerulean panther]

Nyx.

[flint widget]

yeah its nyx

built in shimmering rockets is massive

get any on hit special like scorch blitz etc and spam specials and ez game

[old plover]

Okay I found that one super awkward to use when I tried, since I basically have to sprint into enemies.

[flint widget]

yeah

and that's free dmg

i usually activate nightspawn when the enemies aren't winding up their attacks

[cerulean panther]

Unless I've got a Sprint that really shines from a long active time like Apollo or Hera, putting a Curse on a big group of enemies, I tend to stay away while Omega Boost is charging to mitigate that.

Nitro Boost also goes from S- to S+++ on Nyx.

[old plover]

That's the one that blocks an instance of damage while sprinting, right?

[flint widget]

erm actually it's called nitro boost 🤓

[cerulean panther]

Yup, up to 4 with a Heroic boon.

[old plover]

So I'm aiming for an on-hit special and a %-attack with Nyx, right?

[cerulean panther]

Yup.

[old plover]

Aight, 1st try, here we go

[flint widget]

tbh u don't need to have an attack with nyx

spamming specials is good enough

[cerulean panther]

You can Attack for free between Special volleys, and the Nightspawn from your punch are a great way to spread Curses as well.

Actually, thinking about it, I usually run Zeus Attack and Hera or Hestia Special.

[flint widget]

that's way less safe than just spamming special from far away

with spamming specials u can be like one billion miles away from ur opponent/s and youll still hit them

well im exaggerating but u get the point

wait no it should be kilometers i don't live in the us

[old plover]

I'ma be honest, I'm not feeling Nyx nearly as hard as I was feeling Shiva '^^

The special feels extremely clunky to use. It never hits what I want it to hit and I can't aim it, and it deals so little damage that I find it hard to appreciate it.

I'ma reset one more time to see if I can force Zeus special, maybe that's the difference-maker

[zealous crag]

It's slow AF even with sudden flurry. It takes so damn long to channel enough knives to do any actual damage.

[flint widget]

well get up and close (not that close but yk what i mean)

[flint widget]

exactly

[zealous crag]

I tried wantler for the first time yesterday, and my mind has been changed. I killed almost everything as it spawned and chunked Chronos into the next phase before he could finish any attacks.

[opal pecan]

You shouldn't be relying on normal-coat specials to deal damage with their base power

[flint widget]

shimmering rockets also helps

same with ripper rockets

[zealous crag]

The only time I got close to dying was the moneybag laser guys grouping up and beaming me down from the other side of the room.

[flint widget]

i mean that's why i said on hit effect special

[old plover]

Someone said Hera special before, which I've been trying, but it doesn't really work for me.

[opal pecan]

Hera special isn't to deal damage, it's to apply Hitch (in this specific situation)

[old plover]

Not as well as Shiva, that is, but might just be a case of getting used to

Yeah I also have Demeter Attack which I've been using, but still...

[zealous crag]

I find coat special too slow to reliably apply anything. By the time the special actually lands, the enemy might have been punched to death already.

[flint widget]

tbf the insane room clear hera special gives gives u all the time in the world to take ur time with the bosses

[opal pecan]

You can use that -- coat attack is honestly not that low damage -- but between Dem being one of the lowest % bonuses and coat attack also not being that high damage, it's kind of most mediocre of both worlds

[flint widget]

coat special really isn't all that bad

[zealous crag]

I kind of wish the rockets took a parabolic arc like the rail special in H1, rather than the weird, slow trajectory they have in this game.

[flint widget]

the rockets in h1 are slow af too so i don't get what ur saying

[opal pecan]

I'm mostly using the specials as indiscriminate pepper spray or using them to bolster my attacks on close-by enemies, so the travel time doesn't end up being as big a deal

[silent crow]

h1 rockets are predictable

[old plover]

Okay I didn't get Zeus special but I did get Poseidon. Feels much better already.

Still gotta get used to a special that I can't aim, but I think I'll manage

[halcyon forge]

hi guys qq how do I set up a full attack speed build with ares?

[flint widget]

farm ares boons and pray that youll get his legendary

[grim current]

Now that I've been told I've been doing it wrong on coveting __>__rare boons & avoiding +x% strike/flourish boons, perhaps I'm doing hexes wrong too?

I favor moon beam (or whatever it's named) & Wolf Howl the most, but I've always just picked the Hex that's at full moon phase.

[old plover]

You probably want Hera for the duo boon, and if you wanna benefit from the attack speed you might want Zeus for chain lightning.

[old plover]

The phase doesn't have that huge an impact imo, but I too favor Wolf Howl and Moon Beam.

[flint widget]

wheres my goat twilight curse

[old plover]

Which one is that again? The delayed nuke?

[flint widget]

sheep

[old plover]

AH right

That one's funny

[grim current]

Does lv 0 Twilight Curse apply +10% DMG dealt vs Morph-afflicted foes? Or is lv 0 Twilight Curse just chip DMG vs bosses?

[flint widget]

huh

base twilight curse is great

it doesn't need upgrades imo tho godsent is solid

[grim current]

I mean, all bosses summon minions besides Zagreus, so it's always going to be useful.

But it also has a low charge.

[flint widget]

and what's wrong with a low charge

[grim current]

Oh, no. I just mean it rouses a bit of a comedic moment where the player constantly pelts the boss with giant-asinus projectiles to deal chip DMG while they haven't had the Zeus godsent or +x% DMG vs Morph-afflicted.

Oh wait. We can say "ass".

Giant-ass projectiles.

[old plover]

Okay, I'm now on a Hestia-special run and for the first time got through Rival Eris with Nyx-Coat. I'm starting to get used to this

Let's see if this makes Promycles more doable

Whelp, I trolled Promycles

[grim current]

Huh. Didn't actually hear the ship name until now.

[dire shell]

What’s the best way to use total eclipse? (That’s Aphrodite’s hex right lol)

[old plover]

I believe Aphrodite's Hex is called Darkest Form? Something like that?

And I don't think it's very good at all ever? Like, with Godsent its dps is kinda okay, but you're probably still stronger with your regular weapon a lot of the time.

[odd bolt]

Dark side and yeah it sucks

Total eclipse is the big meteor I think (hestia godsent) and it also kinda sucks

[old plover]

Total Eclipse at least has no downside

You can just press it for some extra (chance at) DPS.

[calm pike]

Hestia's godsent is insane for room clears though

[surreal hazel]

Dark side's main draw is that it's free invulnerable damage. Not that great if you're in a hurry, but upgraded it can be a monster

can be, but usually isn't

Splendor and sanctity can be hilariously op

[bronze flax]

Dark Side is probably my least used hex

[spiral wadi]

the only real reason to pick up dark side is to abuse the godsent

[calm pike]

I can't remember what my build was but once I had insane magick spending so I could use darkside, get free damage, and then immediately recharge it and use it again

I don't think it won though, lost to the gay duo

[grim current]

Dark Side is my most disliked Hex, but I still pick it when it's at full moon in the selection.

[lament ivy]

I hate the DPS drop-off + I feel like theres a certain lack of visual clarity when using it

[unreal rose]

Used it in my early runs for the free invincibility, but it's not that great unless you decide to center your whole run on it

[lament ivy]

Yeah eventually you figure out better ways to get invincibility when needed

[grim current]

So all of Ares' slot boons are inferior?

I enjoyed finishing my 32 fear underworld run with his Gain boon... even if it was rather dependent on the increased Plasma drop rate boon.

[indigo crescent]

I have been trying for so many runs now to get the Chant blessing from Chaos, and I cannot get it

I know I need the purple orb element, which I always take, but it never appears after

any tips ?

[odd bolt]

Do you mean the % increase? Yeah

[viral yew]

Pretty much

[viral yew]

Run uw, go for a duo or chaos boon that gives it, and if you don't get the element in erebus, reset.

If you do get it, save all rerolls and use the keepsake for the rest of the run, and reroll all wells once for the light of ixiom

[indigo crescent]

go for a duo or chaos boon that gives it

not sure what you mean by that sorry

it meaning the element ?

[viral yew]

Yes

Duo boons give the element you need for chant

And chaos can give you a boon that gives at least one of every element

Once you have the element, his keepsake can activate the chant boon

[indigo crescent]

ohhhhhhh yeah that would be the best way to approache this thanks

[fiery kraken]

I swear I had more than 1k scorch with the Hestia godsent. Is this documented anywhere?

I'm not sure if there was a boon that increased my cap or the godsent but after a few hits of scorch and the godsent it was above 1k.

[broken spoke]

Because it is true

[viral yew]

Godsent goes above the cap

[zealous crag]

The percent increase is low, but the extra 50 base power every 3 seconds is nothing to scoff at. It's great for 1-shotting enemies, blasting through armor, triggering blitz immediately, and strategies that involve cycling between enemies. As for the falling swords, the heph and apollo duo boons make it surprisingly effective. And gain works really well for fast-hitting weapons and aspects.

[viral yew]

Yeah his cores aren't bad

There are just better options

[zealous crag]

In isolation, they're definitely never my first pick. But grievous wounds for +12% crit chance is hard to say no to. It also stacks with Mutual Destruction, which can grant wantler levels of extra damage without being at 30 max HP.

[viral yew]

Oh yeah I love picked ares he's my favourite Olympian

All the double damage is so satisfying

And with fates whim sometimes u just gotta make him work

[zealous crag]

It's kind of sad that Artemis isn't even the best god for crits. She deserves better.

[broken spoke]

Wdym she is not best god for crit

Ares budget crit only crit for 2x damage

Other cirt crit for 3x damage

[hollow briar]

This is why you go Ares on Artemis (Aspect)! Best of both worlds!

[broken spoke]

Trigger both crit at once for big number

[zealous crag]

It's a lower multiplier, but his crit chance scales so much higher.

[broken spoke]

Average out it is around the same unless some weird super high hp high roll run

Ofc if you take both grevious and mutual it gonna average out better than single artemis boon because....it is 2 boon duh

[zealous crag]

I don't think it's really comparable. Artemis' crit chance doesn't often reach or exceed 2/3 of what Ares can do, and when she does, it's usually on just 1 thing like omega special or only attacks against enemies in the cast.

[odd bolt]

That's cause crit is broken

You can have bird, success rate, and other effects increasing it too

[zealous crag]

I mean, you can't get more than 1 Artemis boon, but you absolutely can get multiple Ares boons.

[odd bolt]

But theres only two mini crit boons from ares

And one of them requires you to have another boon cause it depends on wounds

[thin cloud]

Trying to do an ares attack build on moonstone axe, aspect of mel, what do you think I should run with that for other blessings

[broken spoke]

Can just put ares on special

Since mel axe main combo is dash strike special loop

[spiral wadi]

ares is typically always lower than antler

[thin cloud]

You dont ever use the regular m1 cycle?

[spiral wadi]

like it's still strong how much mutual destruction can scale but it's rarely enough to outpace antler

[broken spoke]

Tbf antler high roll is 80% so....

[thin cloud]

Does antler only last one region?

[broken spoke]

Yes

[thin cloud]

hm

also I dont think I'm good enough for antler

[broken spoke]

Antler is hard but benefit is huge

[viral yew]

Oh my god I didn't expect you

[thin cloud]

Yeah but any other boons or deities that would combo well

[broken spoke]

And you always have option to antler

[zealous crag]

Is this with Success Rate and something else?

[thin cloud]

Should I run raki for extra crit chance?

[broken spoke]

Cherished+ heroic succ rate

[zealous crag]

Gotcha.

[odd bolt]

Raki is pretty good in general almost never a bad choice

[thin cloud]

I only dont run him when I'm trying to get a lot of an element for a infusion

I think I'll run zeus and apollo for heinous affront

Then maybe aphro for more damage bonuses?

[odd bolt]

What's the aspect again? Mel axe?

[thin cloud]

yeah

extra power

[odd bolt]

I mean it should work, heinous is super good if you get it, but you kinda want light smite if you wanna go for it

[viral yew]

Don't u need ares too?

[thin cloud]

Yeah?

You can have 4 gods

[thin cloud]

hence apollo

[viral yew]

Ah ok gotcha

[odd bolt]

Yeah I misread my bad

[thin cloud]

Wait doesnt having ares attack and special kinda kneecap you since wounds can only trigger so often?

[odd bolt]

Youll want ares attack Zeus special if you're going for heinous

[broken spoke]

Just use only one of them lol

Don't put ares on both

[hallow cobalt]

Trying to Ares-max momus is a CHORE

Slightly easier going surface but still

[lament ivy]

Does anyone find Hestia's sprint boon useful outside of mitigating fire damage on the surface

[bronze flax]

It works well with Supay

[odd bolt]

I personally don't like it

Can't remember the last time I picked it

[lament ivy]

Interesting, might try this

The best use i can think of for the sprint damage is having an easy way to clear junk mobs if you cant attack/special due to chaos

It killed things faster than I expected but overall seems underpowered

[bronze flax]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1233146305308528650/1453441856959676549/image.png?ex=6952bcb6&is=69516b36&hm=5112cfed59e05cf7aefcb510adb19e4d3cfddc01e247661767996d4e799cc0fc

It is not amazing exactly, but with Supay, I found it it does a good work

[indigo crescent]

man I wish I didn't miss my last dash, I would've had my first sub 9

[grim current]

I haven't seen a new boon from Echo after completing her arc.

[spark crown]

When ephyra offers plasma build you have to take it

wound strike isnt the worst on eos

My little brother hates blitz T_T

thinks its a low teir curse

thinks freeze is best

[broken spoke]

Well a lot of people don't understand how easy to deal 120 damage

[odd bolt]

its easy to misjudge how good it is

Not the same thing but I didn't know double strike affected blitz for a long time

[hollow briar]

Two things can be true

Freeze is bonkers just as Blitz is even more bonkers lol

[odd bolt]

Freeze is so good

Gust is also so good

[vernal quiver]

Freeze has amazing defensive utility

[hollow briar]

Gimme Dem Cast and I’m eating good af

[spark crown]

no no he thinks blitz is bad

[vernal quiver]

The amount of times ive heard people dont even know about the 120 damage pop when the tooltip says it 😭

[hollow briar]

No, yeh, I get it, but he’s close to figuring it out, methinks

[odd bolt]

Happened today here on another channel

[vernal quiver]

I was indeed there 🥀

And it wasn't the first time

[odd bolt]

Doesn't really surprise me that it happens

[broken spoke]

Eww reading

[silent crow]

nobody reads tooltips

[grim current]

Personally, I'm most confused on Blitz's activation delay after its conditions are met & the reapplication interval.

[vernal quiver]

I do 🥀

[grim current]

Likewise.

[sacred storm]

Honestly I forget Blitz even has a timer sometimes. For most of EA it would just fizzle out if you couldn't deal 120 damage fast enough.

[viral yew]

From experience it's a few milliseconds before it activates and about half a second of cooldown

[grim current]

A singular attack with multiple damage instances, namely Sister Blades' omega special, cannot expend & reapply Blitz.

I know Poseidon's attack & flourish boons have a cooldown of 0.15s. Does Hestia's have such a cooldown too?

[viral yew]

Yeah same with like arc special coat

[viral yew]

Not that i'm aware of, outside of the tick rate of scorch

[hybrid parcel]

any builds or tips for both the Prometheus and Typhon fights? Those are the only two I'm struggling with

[grim current]

Origination Origination Origination.

[viral yew]

What's your arcana setup?

[flint widget]

woohoo supay 62f surface done with strength and antler

damageless typhon fight too im locked tf in

[spark crown]

3x win streak vs 60f poly

[flint widget]

ez

just don't get hit by poison metal deteriorates when it comes into contact with corrosive substances

[spark crown]

[grim current]

Hum. Unrivaled Cerberus took unusually long after I took +x% strike/flourish boons.

Aspect of Shiva, Demeter's Strike, Apollo's Flourish, Origination.

You're really not convincing me I shouldn't avoid +x% DMG Strike/Flourish boons.

[flint widget]

probably cuz those boons are ass

[spiral wadi]

i think % prob works on shiva atk

[flint widget]

also first things first, switch to a better aspect

[spiral wadi]

switch to a better weapon

[hollow briar]

The single time Shiva doesn’t want % increase is with Wards (shatters the usual Omega gameplan), and even then it’s still fine

[hollow briar]

Woah, hey, let’s not be hasty

[flint widget]

retreat

[spiral wadi]

nah coat's cracked

[hollow briar]

Okay, phew, thanks

[spiral wadi]

i'll prob play shiva later

i see night cycling tends to be the popular choiche

[flint widget]

with omegas?

[spiral wadi]

ye

[flint widget]

aspect not ignored

[hollow briar]

It’s the most forthright about Night cycling other than Momus, yeh

[flint widget]

https://tenor.com/view/moist-critical-gif-18538102

also tbh momus doesn't need night cycling

[hollow briar]

I’d like to do a 60F run (or 62 with Void II) where I don’t ignore it, but I just don’t really like the Coat Omegas that much, even Shiva’s

[flint widget]

omega attack works well

[flint widget]

also where's eos

[hollow briar]

Ah, true, yeah. I forget that’s not just engrained in it

[hollow briar]

Also yeah, doesn’t need it but I found myself wanting to specialize in it for the runs where I didn’t just ignore the Aspect entirely (couldn’t be bothered after like, half a dozen resets)

Probably just a personal thing where I was seeking out Night more than just playing it however it best fit for the run at hand

[flint widget]

if u want night just go to chaos and she'll be there sometimes

ez game

[grim current]

I was told the worst attack/flourish boons were Ares.

[flint widget]

i meant for shiva

apollo special is fine but demeter attack

[grim current]

Unrivaled Chronos took chuffing forever.

[hollow briar]

I will shatter you like ceramic

[flint widget]

bro what did i do

im telling the truth

[spark crown]

Apollo special shiva goes hard

[broken spoke]

Idk is that good but it is huge and very satisfying to watch your omega special hit entire room

[spark crown]

You need to be in the omega special to get destruction stacks

So being bigger is very good

[flint widget]

yeah if ur big ur good

but size doesn't matter tbh

[vernal quiver]

Its about how you use it 😌

[grim current]

Is Demeter's strike boon so inferior as to completely stifle this build?

Or was I right this whole time to so fiercely avoid +x% DMG strike/flourish boons?

And let Origination, Glow, etc. do the heavy lifting?

-# To clarify, I haven't been avoiding Ares' Strike/Flourish boons.

[vernal quiver]

No

[vernal quiver]

Freeze is one of the strongest curses in the game

And her scaling isnt super potent to reflect that, but its still a strong %, normally its at like 60-70 assuming jpom which is still really good

[grim current]

Aspect of Shiva, Demeter's Strike, Apollo's Flourish.
Unrivaled Cerberus took a while & Unrivaled Chronos took a very long time.

I'm still not convinced.

[vernal quiver]

Did you get origination active at all??

Like from dash or cast

[grim current]

Apollo's Ring.

[vernal quiver]

Shiva also isnt a very quick weapon tbf

[viral yew]

Shiva my beloved

[vernal quiver]

The Shiva 67 actually used Apollo attack and never touched omega much

Lemme find the Shiva 67 actually idr what the special was

[grim current]

I recall taking down Unrivaled Chronos with non-+x% DMG Strike/Flourish boons significantly faster in a previous run. But since the memory is so faint, I guess it's not a good counterargument.

[vernal quiver]

https://youtu.be/Ef9DQTHiQsk?si=UQ88vhuQEnoDr01H

[grim current]

While +x% DMG is better for slow-fire weapons, I can't help but think Shiva doesn't want such Strike boons when it already grants itself an additive +75% DMG per Destructive.

[vernal quiver]

The run in question

[vernal quiver]

You dont play Oattack on shiva

[grim current]

Some part of me believes I should instead get Hephaestus, Zeus, & Ares for slow-fire omegas.

[spark crown]

someone give me run ideas for 60f

[grim current]

So I just max out Destruction & don't reap value out of it at all.

[viral yew]

I mean

[vernal quiver]

The omegas(both) are very costly and take so much to prep compared to just special and attack spam

[viral yew]

I like playing oattack, worked for 50f just fine

But yeah the omegas aren't the best

[vernal quiver]

Oattack would want a big% anyway since like scorch would do nothing for that

Like I dont get where your avoidance of % boons comes from, they're objectively the better option depending on the weapon

[spark crown]

yall wanna be ragbaited by 60f gameplay im right here :) #self-promotion message

ill play your fav weapons :P

(this is a joke yall dont have to drop by )

[grim current]

Darkest Dungeon 1 & 2. Obviously, turn-based combat with conservative DMG buffs is very different from Hades 1 & 2 where even basic boons grant a nigh-passive +60% DMG, but it's hard for me to let go.

I rather want to let Origination/Aspect basekits do all the heavy lifting with their respective +x% DMG, instead using my slot boons to add as much DMG to sprout said Origination/Aspect basekits from as I can.

[viral yew]

Why do you keep hanging onto this completely irrelevant game

Forget all about it

[spark crown]

unrelated but your fav aspect lowkey sucks T_T lost a dd second room where as on ever other weapon and aspect i make it to poly T_T

[vernal quiver]

TRUUUUUE

[spark crown]

lowkey lower than hexs

I Dare say worse than ionic gain

[vernal quiver]

I say as someone that likes hel

[viral yew]

[grim current]

Under the pretense I'll eventually pick up the idea I'll one day favor +x% Strike/Flourish boons, which weapons & aspects should I have an eye on to equip?

[viral yew]

Axe and skull are the big ones

Moros torches, mel staff

[spark crown]

4x winstreak vs poly

[grim current]

Prioritize +x% DMG boons both the Moonstone's attack and special?

[broken spoke]

Which aspect

[vernal quiver]

Attack for all of em but charon, since charon wants % on special

You tend to put zeus on the one that isnt the main damage

Unless you wanna do like arc flash thanatos Oattack stuff

[grim current]

I have such difficulty with the Moonstone Axe's omega attack.

[vernal quiver]

Generally you avoid it unless its nergal/than with psychic whirlwind

[grim current]

Unless I'm hard-reading.

[vernal quiver]

Mel axe is dash attack spam

[grim current]

Or that one "free action omega attack" Daedalus boon.

Wait, if I'm just performing regular attack instead of omega attack for Melinoe/Thanatos' Moonstone Axe, why should I equip a +x% DMG Strike boon when Huntress, Hephaestus' Infusion boon, Chaos' Strike, etc. should be enough?

One of the major reasons I continue the conversation is the revelation that the aforementioned boons/Arcana don't interact with omega attack/special.

If the playstyle I'm encouraged doesn't involve omega attacks/specials, I don't see why I should keep Huntress to do all the heavy lifting in +x% DMG.

[vernal quiver]

Because the on hits dont have value in their attacks and they have high base damage that take advantage of % boons since 100% of 100 is more than 50 a hit

Also heph is a weird case because he basically makes everything his rather than the weapon with enough investment

[grim current]

His explosive hammer blast or his Infusion boon, you refer to?

[vernal quiver]

The hammer blasts

With enough investment you dont even play the weapon, you just play heph blasts

[grim current]

Even Glow?

[vernal quiver]

Well glow ups the blast damage so yeah, youll also never see glow on a non heph invested build because why in gods name would I take a common heph attack over hera or apollo

[flint widget]

cuz its funny

[broken spoke]

Because fw give me heph atk special gain first room

And i need magick because torch

[flint widget]

reset then

[broken spoke]

Yea

Fastest reset i ever done

[grim current]

Hm? Glow inflicts "Deal +15% DMG vs Glow-afflicted" for 5s.

[flint widget]

fastest reset ive ever done is when i get selene start

instant reset

[broken spoke]

I thought it is supay 62 when not hades dash

[flint widget]

supay can work without gigaros

[grim current]

It's Grand Caldera that increases the blast DMG & radius.

[spark crown]

hammer into selene is a reset

[grim current]

Oh? How come?

[spark crown]

up to night 454 btw

[spark crown]

hexs are bad

[flint widget]

bro hammer start is good depending if u get a good hammer

[grim current]

For... high fear...?

[flint widget]

if u get ass hammer reset

[spark crown]

hammer into onion into boons is better

[flint widget]

yeah unless u get godsent or certain upgrades most hexes are ass for high fear

and there are much better rewards than path of stars

[magic cobalt]

Getting herm legendary when you have over 3k gold is certainly a fun time lmao

[flint widget]

only good ones on base are wolf howl and twilight curse the goat

[vernal quiver]

Wolf howl, twilight curse, and night bloom(only for surface icl) are the only useful high fear hexes

[flint widget]

why night bloom for surface

it's good on uw too

[grim current]

My favorite Hexes are Wolf Howl & Lunar Ray.

[broken spoke]

Night bloom steal chronos miniboss for both phase 1 and 2

[flint widget]

lunar ray requires way too much investment for it to be good imo

[grim current]

Although... Yeah. Lunar Ray requires at least one upgrade.

At absolute minimum.,

[manic shuttle]

total eclipse with godsent and Pyro

[grim current]

Well, Checkmate just specified "unless Godsent".

[vernal quiver]

Isnt it like only worth for hecate ball, which just dodge lmao

[flint widget]

did u forget that night bloom works on every encounter ever so it's still useful even after hec

[manic shuttle]

ye

[vernal quiver]

Fr let me use an oceanus fish

Itll do so much trust

[flint widget]

then kill a better enemy?

if ur relying on allies to do damage for u it's either cuz ur doing a meme build or ur build is ass

[grim current]

I don't know if it's because I don't know what it feels like without it, but I don't feel all that affected by Moros with Poseidon's Strike boon's knockback.

[vernal quiver]

Ive never seen the point of night bloom in regular interactions, but I alsonhave been playing 65 where all of em are dookie until I roll moon

[grim current]

I mostly just feel weird that I don't have an increased attack speed buff that doesn't reap greater value out of Poseidon's Strike boon.

Although, if I'm able to shred Unrivaled Prometheus & Typhon despite being extremely sloppy with my movement, I guess I'm doing SOMETHING right.

[flint widget]

wait wait wait

what slot do u have poseidon on

attack or special

[grim current]

As mentioned, Strike.

It was Moros, Poseidon's Strike, & Hestia's Flourish. I had the +1 orbitng orb Hammer.

[flint widget]

interesting

[grim current]

I didn't figure I'll ever need +x% DMG Strike boons for Moros when the explosion is additive %.

If I were to choose, of course, it probably would've been Blitz instead.

[flint widget]

% dmg is better on attack

anything except heph blasts can go well on special

[flint widget]

also uh % damage scales the explosion too

[lean iron]

at 62f on surface is it still optimal to take chrolex in thessaly?

[flint widget]

yeah

[lean iron]

dont you struggle with time

im starting 62f after beating 55f and I was running droplet in olympus for timer

but like you really need onion or gorgon in olympus so

[lean iron]

really

i guess you just dont get hit so you dont need onion😭

[flint widget]

uh no not really

[lean iron]

I dident need onion or gorgon at 55 but I wasen't running pain and scars

whats the flowchart then

[flint widget]

uh give me a second

first region is always jpom

second region i usually take the piece

if im speedrunning 62f ill take fig no matter what

and onion if for some reason i took a lotta dmg in first region

third region i usually pin it

if theres a hammer missing that i really need ill go experimental hammer

if i have any sort of hitch application ill go knuckle bones

if i dont have a hammer that i want though ill still go hammer

and if i havent used up onion in second region and my hp is low ill go use it now otherwise ill just pin it

fourth region is just pin also

if ur speedrunning or if ur build cant kill typhon without timing out its just antler

[lean iron]

so for normal runs jpom -> chrolex / sometimes onion -> pin / sometimes hammer or knuckle bones -> pin / antler

makes sense yeah, why knuckle bones

[flint widget]

promacles

if u hitch them both and knuckle bones activates

it instantly phases prom i think after a few hits

[lean iron]

what?

do you have like a clip

[flint widget]

i dont record but test it out yourself

its actually so cracked

https://youtu.be/VHm5cdzzJ3I

heres a vid that used bones

also slight correction

it doesnt instantly phase prom but it makes phasing him way faster

[digital juniper]

cherished heirloom KB insta phases him

and/or hereditary bane

[flint widget]

oh right i forgot about those

[digital juniper]

yea that’s probably where you got the confusion from

[tawny arrow]

Yeah so does fig leaf actually do anything?

[odd bolt]

yes it lets you skip 3 rooms one in each region, unless you get scammed

[calm pike]

Yeah it's fine for the 2nd area if you can take it IMO

[odd bolt]

yeah i like it in general, if youre dooing speedruns its like mandatory

[viral yew]

My most used keepsake

[tawny arrow]

Took it in thessaly and it only activated upon entering the very first ship
Aka useless

[odd bolt]

mine is tied between fig and jpom

[flint widget]

its a skip tho i dont get what ur saying

[odd bolt]

but i got most clears with gorgon amulet

[tawny arrow]

One skip of the easiest room for the price of a keepsake?

[flint widget]

well thats just rng for you

[viral yew]

I love fig leaf

[old plover]

Well one skip of a ship, then another skip on Olympus, and another skip on peak.

[tawny arrow]

Yeah i saw now that it can also skip in future regions

[calm pike]

A skip on olympus and on peak is goated, olympus is scary as hell

[flint widget]

hades 2 players trying to read: impossible

[old plover]

Different topic: When I get transported to Asphodel, what happens if I just leave the circle?

[tawny arrow]

Does reckless abandon synergize with air quality?

[flint widget]

% ticks down to 0 and u immediately exit aspho

[flint widget]

yes

[old plover]

And run continues?

[flint widget]

yes

[old plover]

Okay perfect

[viral yew]

It's quite fast

[median anvil]

you lose out on your reward though

[flint widget]

yeah that's the downside but eh

[old plover]

Yeah I figured as much, but I didn't need the reward anyway in that case

[old plover]

Sooo.... Blood Spree on Coat makes Charybdis and the Sirens kinda trivial, huh?

[flint widget]

not really u can still get cooked by ass patterns

[old plover]

It felt free when I just played it

They never deal that much damage at once (just a lot of DPS), and there is always a target in range to hit with specials.

Granted, it was rare Blood Spree, but still

[flint widget]

maybe im just too high fear pilled

scylla with max pain and rip mel

[old plover]

Yeah I'm on 0 pain rn.

Haste 2 though

[median anvil]

blood spree makes underworld free in general

scars3 kills it though

[old plover]

Yeah I'm realizing. Just first-tried Rival Cerberus despite being caught off guard by the smaller arena.

I just fully jumped into the lava not realizing that the arena had a wall of shades right behind it.

Now the only question is: Can I Antler Chronos with Frenzy 1?

[flint widget]

yeah ez dubs

[old plover]

For what it's worth, I already only had 55 max HP before putting on the antlers.

[opal pecan]

Why the hell did you only have 55 max HP

Are you playing with Void on or something

[old plover]

I avoided any Centaur Hearts because I knew I would Antler the last region

[opal pecan]

You don't have to go that far out of your way to avoid them fwiw, having more max hp in the preceding regions lets you facetank in ways that can be faster than having to dance carefully

Like, if the doors are max HP/max MP and you're on a magickless build, you might as well 😆

[old plover]

Oh yeah I'm aware, I'm not usually quite that low even when I plan to antler, just happened to work out that way in that run

[tall notch]

persistence and centaur in your arcana deck should give you more than 55, so how did you pull that off

[old plover]

Oh I don't think I was running persistence

[opal pecan]

Incroyable

[old plover]

I can re-check my arcana once I'm through this chaos trial

[old plover]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMyIsImM2IiwiYzgiLCJjMTEiLCJjMTMiLCJjMTQiLCJjMTUiLCJjMTciLCJjMTgiLCJjMjAiLCJjMjIiLCJjMjMiLCJjMjQiXQ==

[odd bolt]

why not all rerolls?

[old plover]

What would you remove for that?

[odd bolt]

artificer probably

i only run it with fates whim

[old plover]

Doesn't.... doesn't Artificer remove Fates Whim?

[odd bolt]

no

[old plover]

Also, removing Artificer would also remove Divinity, which I guess isn't the biggest deal, but it would happen.

[odd bolt]

you can switch things up depending on the aspect

persistence for huntress or remove lovers and put both + wayward son

night depending on the aspect

sorry without artificer

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMSIsImM2IiwiYzciLCJjMTEiLCJjMTMiLCJjMTQiLCJjMTUiLCJjMTYiLCJjMTciLCJjMjAiLCJjMjEiLCJjMjIiLCJjMjMiLCJjMjQiXQ==

[lone quartz]

goys, how does glorious disaster work with charon?

[small stratus]

I wanna try 50 fear, but should i rather take 2nd level of frenzy or 2 levels in grit and 1 in pain?

[odd bolt]

Frenzy

But whats your fear setup?

[small stratus]

This is my 40 fear setup:
https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator?vows=WzAsMCwyLDMsMCwzLDIsMiwyLDIsMiwwLDYsMCwyLDIsMTJd

And i was thinking about using either https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator?vows=WzAsMSwyLDYsMCwzLDIsNSwyLDIsMiwzLDYsMCwyLDIsMTJd or https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator?vows=WzEsMywyLDMsMCwzLDIsNSwyLDIsMiwzLDYsMCwyLDIsMTJd for 50 fear

[odd bolt]

i prefer the first one but i'm already used to frenzy 2

[small stratus]

Alright so i should rather take the one with frenzy 2?

[odd bolt]

up to you but i would pick frenzy 2 yeah

[small stratus]

Alright thanks

If i wanna get into higher fear i should get used to frenzy 2 anyway

Im using supay for this usually btw, is that smart or not rly?

[odd bolt]

i think for higher fears supay might lack a bit in damage which could be an issue but there is plenty of 50 and 62 fear supay runs, even some 65 so its totally possible

[small stratus]

Alright thanks again

I really dont feel like i was lacking damage at all with 40 fear at least

[old plover]

Does Rousing Reception apply the Cast's curse to newly appearing enemies?

Like, if I have Hera cast, would Rousing Reception apply Hitch to every newly spawned enemy as long as I have a cast down?

Alright I tested it and unfortunately no. This would be too broken though tbf

[small stratus]

Ah dang wouldve been cool

[small stratus]

which aspects are better for high fears?

probably like moros, medea, circe, charon or something right?

[vernal quiver]

Circe, every mel aspect, medea, persephone

Nyx too

[small stratus]

every mel aspect?

[vernal quiver]

Yeah every mel aspect is goated

[small stratus]

wow okay didnt expect that

[vernal quiver]

Super simple gameplans that need like 2 things that are very flexible

They've all done 67f too

[small stratus]

Dang

what aspects havent done 67f?

[vernal quiver]

Uhhh a lot

[median anvil]

best ones are mel staff and circe due to safety while also being very strong

[small stratus]

what is a good build with mel staff?

[vernal quiver]

Blitz atk hera special

[small stratus]

zeus cast for circe is rly good right?

[vernal quiver]

Yuh

[small stratus]

go for a king/queen gambit or nah?

[median anvil]

the ones that have done 67 unseeded are:
mel staff, mel blades, arty, mel axe, mel skull, persephone, medea, mel coat, shiva

[vernal quiver]

Nope, at high fear the ransoms arent valuable since losing blitz/hitch sucks buns

[small stratus]

no other axe?

[small stratus]

oh oops ransom not gambit 😅

[vernal quiver]

Every axe struggles minus mel at top fears, and even then you need like 1 specific hammer

[small stratus]

ahh alr

[median anvil]

others are all heavy magick users and no one has grinded any magick aspects yet

[small stratus]

mel staff isnt magick?

[median anvil]

no?

[vernal quiver]

Nope! The omegas aren't that great compared to just dash attack and special spam

[small stratus]

ohh alr

i thought mel staff was omega special spam mb

[small stratus]

nyx better than shiva?

[vernal quiver]

Yeah, nightspawn gives some crazy room clear potential while Shiva you kinda play like a worse mel coat

[small stratus]

alright thanks!

i’ll definitely try mel staff and use circe a bit more

[vernal quiver]

I did mel for my 65 and circe for my 62 and ive been working towards a circe 67 so if you want any tips lmk :3

[small stratus]

yeah sure i wouldnt mind tips i used circe like once to try it out and it slapped the bosses hard

and i’ve been using medea and supay mainly for fear

my highest fear is 40 atm

[vernal quiver]

Circe is super fun, zeus, hestia, demeter are your top3 cast choices for it

[small stratus]

but without too much sweat

[vernal quiver]

Heph can be funny and work i almost did a 62 with it but threw at chronos lmao

[small stratus]

Dang nice

well imma go for now, cya

[old plover]

When I played Shiva I was mostly relying on my Omega stuff. Is there a more consistent way to play her?

I had huge DPS, and had a lot of success with it in UW, but on sf it kinda fell short bc a lot of the targets move too fast and the arenas are too big to consistently hit them with Omega-special.

[vernal quiver]

yeah exactly, needing to have a lot of mana setup is harder for high fear and certain things just arent tuned to letting you get big hits like that off

[median anvil]

in high fear the aspect is so egregiously magick hungry that it's hard to keep up with its cost, it's more consistent to use your base moves instead

[old plover]

JPom Flood Gain helps a lot tbf

[vernal quiver]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/912456622440325213/1455270495883624660/image.png?ex=69541dc3&is=6952cc43&hm=3e4091a844c34d38543bd9be4bd68d2e9930349b9c69f6c7d3168f08aebb5ca6&
average ok erebus start

that chaos boon is 10hp on a transition lmfao, i love how it goes through scars

[flint widget]

https://tenor.com/view/cute-adorable-duckling-haha-classic-gif-17283485

[unreal rose]

Now drop crimson dress

Nevermind

[vernal quiver]

i actually dont even think i have it unlocked lmao

[unreal rose]

I'm blind

[vernal quiver]

also hecate had some mean patters 😔 i lost like a good 80 armor

[unreal rose]

But yeah seems like a good start. And getting a chaos regen boon with scars 3 feels so good

[vernal quiver]

goddamn orignation + artificer judgment roll

[scarlet ferry]

What’s the highest any of ya’ll have gotten your dodge chance to?

[vernal quiver]

umm with dodgex3 from echo i think like ~70

[scarlet ferry]

I got the Circe boon that improves your familiar for the night while using Gale so it got me thinking

[flint widget]

about 80% thanks to evade x3, hot pot, wispy and gale

oh yeah and daze

[median anvil]

gale + smaller stature from circe + wispy wiles and hasty retreat both beefed up

[scarlet ferry]

Okay what about without evade x3 since that’s temporary

[median anvil]

oh yeah hotpot too

[scarlet ferry]

What’s wispy wiles again?

[flint widget]

2% dodge every air element

[median anvil]

aphro infusion, 2% do- yeah

[flint widget]

used to be 3% back in ea

rip 🫡

[median anvil]

ea wispy wiles and slow cooker 🥀💔

[flint widget]

what was slow cooker like back then

started in unseen

[vernal quiver]

oh my god i hate scylla

[flint widget]

dw me too buddy boy

[vernal quiver]

like im convinced no one at sgg playtested her rivals

its such a disgusting mess

[median anvil]

+3 power per fire

[flint widget]

eh it's a small price to pay for banger music

[scarlet ferry]

It’s also really fun to get your sprint speed as high as possible

One time in EA I had a build with Mel’s coat that was incredibly fast and it was so fun

[flint widget]

thats some heavy firepower i gotta say

[small stratus]

echo just blessed me with thermal dynamics but i dont even have hestia

i love echo

[flint widget]

🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥

that's fire, literally

[zealous crag]

Can anyone explain to me how Flood Gain works? I thought it was basically garbage, but it let's you channel for free to activate the effect? So you can never truly run out except on the 8 second cooldown?

[flint widget]

yeah

flood gain is super good for magick heavy builds

the 8 second cooldown goes by fast

[zealous crag]

And the cooldown doesn't start until the flood ends, right?

[flint widget]

yeah

[zealous crag]

So you can't get 100% uptime just by Jpom or pomming it?

[flint widget]

yeah

[zealous crag]

Gotcha, that makes sense. It'd be the far and away best if that was the case.

[flint widget]

born gain is still the best magick regen for high magick usage tho

[zealous crag]

That or lucid.

Lucid is insane if your build uses cast at all.

[flint widget]

ion think lucid can handle parray that well unless if u have winners circle

[zealous crag]

The lowest lucid goes being 40 magic is crazy.

[flint widget]

born gain keeps parray continuously proccing if u don't prime outta magick which can be easily solved by just yk, taking more magick

or just taking silver wheel

[zealous crag]

Or Hecuba.

[flint widget]

whos taking hecuba on skull

i usually take raki or gale

[zealous crag]

Wow, I must not have used that hammer in a while, because that's steep.

[flint widget]

yeah

[white sorrel]

Medea build?

[flint widget]

parray is magick hungry

[flint widget]

anything with jpom

[white sorrel]

Wat

[flint widget]

medea works with everything really

have u reached credits

[white sorrel]

No 🙁

[flint widget]

oh ok

[zealous crag]

It occurs to me that tough gain is actually really good with any of the chaos curses that deal damage. That might be the best gain boon in that scenario.

[flint widget]

let's go with the old classic of hera attack zeus special

[scarlet ferry]

I like Ares on attack with Zeus on special

[zealous crag]

Hera on attack? On Medea? Wouldn't it make more sense to put it on the special?

[flint widget]

bro what

[scarlet ferry]

You want flat damage on the special

[small stratus]

Yayy i did 46f now, toula even got the kill lmaooo

[scarlet ferry]

With percent damage on attack

[flint widget]

hera attack spreads hitch far more effectively than special

[small stratus]

I use zeus on special and aphro on atk

[zealous crag]

Special is the huge AOE, not the attack.

[small stratus]

atk is huge aoe

[flint widget]

special is for proccing curses

[scarlet ferry]

No???

[flint widget]

wait, don't tell me u play o special on medea

[scarlet ferry]

The explosions are from the skulls which are your attack

[zealous crag]

I play O special on Medea. Is that not meta?

[flint widget]

ok yea

ur not playing optimally

[alpine raft]

what do you think is good about the omega special

[small stratus]

what is o special?

[scarlet ferry]

You literally just want to use the special to get off as many explosions as possible

[flint widget]

medea attack pattern is attack special repeat

[scarlet ferry]

Omega

[small stratus]

oh omega

[vernal quiver]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/912456622440325213/1455281125055402014/image.png?ex=695427aa&is=6952d62a&hm=04dc5fcb0a56ded66427aa2f1a4ec018b43a4ba1c25e855ad3663ecd17488c7f&
if i fumble this im just bad

[small stratus]

Dang thats subuptimal on medea

[zealous crag]

It's a giant AOE. If there's anything that spreads hitch really fast, it's O special on Medea.

[vernal quiver]

literally a perfect erebus for this godforsaken weapon

[flint widget]

omega attack is only used for proccing huntress tbh

[alpine raft]

its not really that big, you must mean omega attack

[flint widget]

yeah o attack aoe is massive

[scarlet ferry]

Dude the explosions come from the SKULLS which are the ATTACK

[flint widget]

plus u can attack while the omega attack is up in the air

[zealous crag]

I'm talking about the waves, not the explosions.

[flint widget]

when ur omega specialing ur stuck doing that until it's done

[alpine raft]

i forgot skull o special had projectiles lol

[scarlet ferry]

Using the omega special just to spread hitch is a waste of time

[scarlet ferry]

They’re really strong on Persephone’s aspect

[flint widget]

yeah

perseph is the only acceptable time to use o special

and hel too but ion like hel

[scarlet ferry]

Hel is fun if you can get good magic regen early

[alpine raft]

yea i prefer autofire hel

[flint widget]

autofire hel my goat let's go

[zealous crag]

Hel feels like rail, and I really liked the rail.

[vernal quiver]

ok yeah im bad im over 9 seconds on hecate cuz ball grazed me

[alpine raft]

when i realized i could not use o special it became 10x easier

[zealous crag]

I'll keep that in mind.

[alpine raft]

although it's still good

[flint widget]

yo hakase next time u use medea could u please not omega special, speaking as a medea addict

[scarlet ferry]

Valkyrie mode still fires faster than auto fire

[flint widget]

i hate when people play it not optimally

[zealous crag]

I'll continue to spam o special just for you.

[flint widget]

ok that's crazy

[flint widget]

charge time is the main problem tho

[zealous crag]

Also because I use my thumb for both attack and special and that's a lot of individual button presses.

[alpine raft]

50 magic is crazy too

[scarlet ferry]

It’s the only thing you’d be spending the magic on though so you just need solid magic regen. Like Hestia’s

[alpine raft]

but being able to ignore a gain and max magic is tasty

[flint widget]

plus autofire hel runic driver special gaming 🤑

blitz on that thing goes crazy

[alpine raft]

yess love runic driver

[scarlet ferry]

If you don’t pick up a gain you’re less likely to get a specific boon you want because the game heavily prioritizes giving you core boons if a slot is empty

[alpine raft]

whats the o attack +2 hammer

[flint widget]

hel has an omega attack?

[white sorrel]

Than axe build?

[scarlet ferry]

Idk if you’re memeing but yeah. Just takes an eternity for it to start charging so it’s basically irrelevant

[scarlet ferry]

When in doubt just use Zeus

[odd bolt]

ok ospecial medea made me laugh a bit

[white sorrel]

Cool ok

[scarlet ferry]

But Apollo and Aphrodite attack are good on Thanatos axe

[white sorrel]

I might do a pan dagger run

[scarlet ferry]

Apollo helps with not getting hit so you don’t lose the mortality

[white sorrel]

Bring back spiral knives trust

😔✌️

[zealous crag]

It's like mel torches o attack. Hold down the button for a while and you'll get it.

[zealous crag]

Doesn't that really only do anything for pan?

[white sorrel]

Exactly

[zealous crag]

I remember that in the EA. It didn't feel good on anything else.

But also, pan feels pretty terrible now, so who knows.

[scarlet ferry]

Can anyone give me tips on what Arcana to use with Fates' Whim keepsakes? The first link is my normal Arcana setup and the second link is what I'm currently using for Fates' Whim runs:

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMSIsImMyIiwiYzMiLCJjNiIsImM3IiwiYzExIiwiYzEzIiwiYzE0IiwiYzE2IiwiYzE3IiwiYzIxIiwiYzIyIiwiYzIzIiwiYzI0Il0=

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMSIsImMyIiwiYzMiLCJjNiIsImM3IiwiYzgiLCJjMTEiLCJjMTMiLCJjMTQiLCJjMTUiLCJjMTgiLCJjMTkiLCJjMjMiLCJjMjQiXQ==

[odd bolt]

second is good i would just switch excellence for boatman

[scarlet ferry]

Wait actually that's what I normally do. I think I switched it to Excellence to help with a legendary boon prophecy and forgot to switch back lol

[zealous crag]

Second one is basically what I use, except I switch excellence for boatman and strength for death. Also, I switch huntress for night if I'm using a lot of magic.

I think strength for death is entirely personal preference, though.

[odd bolt]

yeah you can use night for like momus or eos... can't think of another aspect for it tho

[scarlet ferry]

Yeah I swap out Huntress for night if I'm using something like Moros torches, Shiva coat, Momus staff, etc.

Anubis is another

[zealous crag]

I remember someone saying that Artificer is bad for surface routes, but is it really? I usually get at least 1 minor reward in a side room in Ephyra, and I swear half of Thesaly is minor boons.

[scarlet ferry]

I only have Artificer activated to get Divinity

[zealous crag]

3 extra major rewards feels like a pretty nice boost. Especially when you get a hammer, boon, or heart.

Even the other stuff can be great for turning into gold after getting the rolex.

[scarlet ferry]

My non fates whim loadout uses the left column for Divinity so I dont use Artificer there

[scarlet ferry]

You're basically always going to get 2 hammers anyway and there are plenty of oppurtunities for boons and hearts. It's not that the effect is bad; it's just that people prefer spending the grasp on something else

[zealous crag]

It doesn't increase the total by the end of the run much, but getting extra power at the beginning of the run always feels good. I less frequently run into the first or second boss without a build put together, which gives me more time and defiances for the tougher bosses.

Also, rivals Scylla is so much harder than unrivaled that I very much felt feel the difference.

[vernal quiver]

im gonna lose it why does hel special decide to aggro literally everything in fields

its so stupid

[grim current]

Holy fecund. Does Berserk's self- trigger from EVERY damage instance?

[scarlet ferry]

Is Glow global damage? For instance, does it increase Blitz damage?

[scarlet ferry]

hits from attacks and specials

And it ignores Vow of Scars

[grim current]

I don't know if it's because I'm already that well-acquainted from Nergal's moveset, but I see moments of rapid +1 whenever Berserk activates.

[scarlet ferry]

+1 health?

[grim current]

Heal 1, yes.

[scarlet ferry]

Well yeah. While beserk is active, every hit from your attacks and specials heal 1

[small stratus]

Dang i keep dying at scylla with 50f 😔

[lament ivy]

Im trying a Silken Sash run for first time and got out of Erebus with 130 armor on a strength build. How do people usually approach this - keep sash on and keep building armor, or move off it eventually?

Also have heph in the lineup so thats cool

Just debating whether to switch keepsakes or keep farming armor

Probably context dependent I do realize

[scarlet ferry]

Is Hephaestus in your god pool yet?

[vernal quiver]

Use it as long as you feel you need, with heph in the pool youll probably get security systems and trusty shield so after that it comes down to how clean you think you can be

[scarlet ferry]

If you're specifically going for an armor/Arachne dress run, I'd say start with Hephaestus keepsake and then swap to silken sash AFTER Erebus

[lament ivy]

Yeah i started sash and heph is in my god pool already + I have heavy metal

[scarlet ferry]

that's good

Then keep it on I guess

But swap out for Tartarus

[regal cobalt]

bruuuh why is chronos so goddamn asssssssssssssss

i still havent beat him even once i get so close everytime

[scarlet ferry]

rivals or regualr Chronos?

[regal cobalt]

regular
like i said i havent beaten him at all yet i keep dying in the second phase

the healing hourglasses are such bs 😭

[lament ivy]

Rivals Chronos has been kicking my ass, I thibk ive gotten to phase 3 twice for like two seconds each

I think ive finally gotten used to VoR Hecate and Scylla though

[old plover]

You can mostly just ignore them tbh. Any build that gets that far should easily out-damage the healing.

[regal cobalt]

damn

i was doing fine until the healing glasses and then i died

sigh

[old plover]

Might be you were just close, and next time you'll get him :)

[regal cobalt]

hope so

i was using descure this time but im usually better with zorephet

[odd bolt]

You'll get him eventually, trust

As mentioned you can kinda ignore the healing things for the most part

[regal cobalt]

yeah ok

ill try with zorephet this time fingers crossed

[odd bolt]

Good luck

[scarlet ferry]

A big thing that helped me start beating Chronos is learning to not be afraid of getting close up to him

During a lot of his attacks, he's a sitting duck for free hits

[regal cobalt]

o ill try to remember that

[scarlet ferry]

For instance, when he throws his scythe in an arc, run at him instead of away

[regal cobalt]

I DID IT

i was gonna send an ss but apparently i dont have image perms

didnt even use up all my death defiances

[fiery kraken]

What's the base damage combo for pan? I can't find a sequence I like for the aspect. Do I really try to o special after cast somehow?

[viral yew]

If you have pos special, cast then ospecial

Otherwise just play it like normal blades

Hope for trick knives

[alpine raft]

i disagree, they heal too much for out damaging to be safe or fast

[viral yew]

In normal chronos sure but not in rivals

[alpine raft]

oh that was the context lol

silly me

[dusk sandal]

Does anyone have any good Black Coat Build I’ve just been using Zeus

[viral yew]

Pos attack, hitch special

Go for exhaust riser and shimmering rockets

Any sprint or cast boon for more damage is good

Use ospecial alot

Ignore oattack

[dusk sandal]

Ok ty

[sand crow]

Okay so I can either get Universal Donor or Rallying Cry (with the rock infusion requirement met) on the Morrigan. I'm not leaning very hard on Olympian damage (mostly just Hitch and Wounds) what do y'all think?

[viral yew]

Rallying

[dusk sandal]

Which god is Hitch?

[viral yew]

Hera

[fiery kraken]

Find an on hit attack and spam it?

[forest hinge]

Ares Plasma caps at +100% which just means doubled attack speed right, I’m not misreading the math at that right? LOL

Also how does plasma interact with Supay? Can you make a funny machine gun build?

[indigo crescent]

who is the best pet for the black coat ? \

[odd bolt]

Raki, gale if high fear

[rich folio]

How should I build the aspect of Nyx

Disregard I have checked the pins

[sand crow]

WAIT leereamsnyder has a guide for Hades 2???

[silent crow]

ye

[viral yew]

Always has

[bronze flax]

Well, I just had a run with Sanguinary Savor Supay and things were... Interesting

Omega Attack is able to shoot 11 attacks, so that's something

Ohh, I forgor to say. 11 shots at 100% plasma with Sanguinary Savor

[sand crow]

Wait, does global damage percent not stack multiplicatively?

[viral yew]

I'm pretty sure it's additive but I could not tell you

[sand crow]

I know that in H1 it's multiplicative but if it's gone it makes sense that they took that away

[viral yew]

I'm terrible with the maths tbh

[forest hinge]

its additive

[cerulean panther]

Any % bonus in H2 is always additive. Multiplicative bonuses are Power increases (the hint is in the pop-up text for Power).

[viral yew]

Noted

[fiery kraken]

Are crit, ares double, and Apollo double chances calculated independently?

[broken spoke]

Yes because they are different thing

[forest hinge]

Ares crit is x2, regular Crit is x3, Apollo doubles and similar "doubling" effect are extra hits, and all of those things can have their trigger% increased by Hermes' Success Rate

[alpine raft]

well its double if you have 0 other bonuses to your attack speed

[spark crown]

dyno this is racist towards Australians

I get to have no emotional range cuz of you

@bitter wren bought me a second copy of Hades 2 so we get to talk him later fr

[bitter wren]

Ay no that's mean

[bitter wren]

Dyno warn this guy frfr

[spark crown]

You get to be subway surfers gameplay for stream

[bitter wren]

Lmao

[spark crown]

Your gonna stream to me on discord and I'ma put you getting your kicked in the top corner

[bitter wren]

I love ionic gain 🤩so u get to see me choose it

[spark crown]

BROTHER EWWWW

That and you saying tranquil gain is a tier

[bitter wren]

I'm ofc joking

[broken spoke]

A for annoying

[spark crown]

@viral yew invert this man

[bitter wren]

When did I say this 😭

[spark crown]

During vc earlier

[bitter wren]

I really don't think I was listening

And just went with it

[spark crown]

YOU SAID IT

[bitter wren]

That's wim i think i just zoned out

[grim current]

So what Familiar do you main, @brittle hill? I mained Hecuba because I could not stand the idea of the farm being empty of seeds. I continue to main her for that reason, but I figure her passive Magick generation does well for unorthodox Gain boons a la Aphrodite or Ares.

[brittle hill]

Hecuba and Frinos! If I'm doing strength and dont care about mana frinos is so good.
But Hecuba is nice to not worry about a Gain ability like you said. And with that cerb skin? hard not to take her lol

and i like to have 10 of every seed at all times so Hecuba was great for that too lol.

[grim current]

Her infernal skin is so cutesy tootsey.

Huh. Only 3 Gain boons provide secondary effects: Aphrodite, Hephaestus, & Ares.

[calm pike]

Use gale my beloved, the dodge chance and movespeed go hard

[hollow briar]

I pretty much only take Gale or Raki now, yeah

There’s rare instances where I take Hecuba (sometimes on Moros, Eos, and Charon) but I can’t remember the last time I took Frinos or Toula

[calm pike]

Toula's nice for damage, I think I'd take it on supay for example

[hollow briar]

Gale’s get-out-of-jail-free cards and move speed are really nice n’ Raki’s just good for when I’m comfortable enough at an Aspect that I just want some extra damage or when I wanna take “lower” Fear a la 55ish

[manic shuttle]

Toula for Supay, Raki for Circe, Hecuba for Moros, Charon, mel flames

rest is Gale for me

[flint widget]

yeah but uh problem is torches o attack allows u to dash while channeling while hel has to be completely uninterrupted

[vernal quiver]

i wish hel Oattack was real 😔

theres even a hammer that doubles it and everything

[flint widget]

sgg really made a hammer dedicated to nothing 😔

[flint widget]

just won supay 62f strength with antler but without a rush boon 💔

im pissed

[vernal quiver]

man ive had like 3 65f hel runs get to chronos 🥀

icl 67f hel cant feel much different than 65 since like hel doesnt even care about 90% of the arcana table until orig

plus i got to chronos last try with like no real build with 3 minutes in the boss without orig so 😭

[flint widget]

did u forget furies

[vernal quiver]

i guess that too yeah but whenever i do get it i never feel it cuz the weapon already deals dogass damage 🥀

like 30% of a 25 damage static shock 😔

[flint widget]

its still a global dmg boost tho

if u get blitz ur gaming

[vernal quiver]

if 🥀

the amount of times pos/hestia just refused to give me their attack in erebus is dubious, or zeus putting blitz/static on the same page or just neither at all then never showing up ever again

like i had a run earlier that posiedon offered literally every other core boon besides his attack

[flint widget]

🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥

that's fates whim for u

today i learned that when u have strength and weak with antler equipped in tartarus

the only chronos attack that can one shot you (besides instakill) is cutscene

even with max pain youll still survive the rest of his attacks

[spark crown]

NO DD LOST RIVALS 60F POLY

No damage in ephyra untill poly either

[old plover]

https://imgur.com/a/E3QpY41 Average build after Erebus

[spark crown]

live on stream to so you know i aint cheating

https://imgur.com/n6I5him

RAH IM MOVING UP IN DA WORLD

lovers into a gale block saved my gods damn life

into a hotpot dodge aswell i think

ICARUS NOOOOOOOOOOOO

[upbeat matrix]

Yes at high fear u will learn to hate him

[spark crown]

3 dd lost in his room T_T

[upbeat matrix]

Ready to simp to athena?

[spark crown]

im dead T_T

spining robot boy T_T

[upbeat matrix]

Ah yes another automaton you will learn to fear

[vernal quiver]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/912456622440325213/1455528510889132234/image.png?ex=69550e0f&is=6953bc8f&hm=987d2e07c72d540937c08a4b57c97cbcbf7d4e307c8065bea9cc4049569d94b9&
everything but a goddamn attack boon

[spark crown]

plum ^

[vernal quiver]

hell yeah, 60f before the new year

poly aint nothin

[spark crown]

can consistenly clear poly as long as doors arnt dogwater

(almost cleared him v3 aswell :P)

[flint widget]

uh guys should we tell him? 💀
https://imgur.com/a/92ZOjA1

[spark crown]

oh god

@bitter wren that you :P

[flint widget]

when metal is shocked you know it's bad

[spark crown]

calling scylla bad when (h1 spoiler) ||Theseus and Asterius|| exist is crazy work

[flint widget]

erm actually he's called asterius

[spark crown]

also i might have to re divy up my boss difficulty tier list soon

[bitter wren]

scylla is easy tho 😔

[spark crown]

i was talking when you first started

also even the new player is saying scylla easy XD

[bitter wren]

i didnt just "beat stuff up" 😔

[flint widget]

i can't tell if this is ragebait or not

[bitter wren]

lol

[spark crown]

i dont think it is T_T

[flint widget]

hardest boss fight in video game history are we deadass rn 💔

[spark crown]

bro hasnt met eris or Prometheus yet XD

how do people like that get past hec

[vernal quiver]

it has to be

[old plover]

Name one attack from base Scylla that isn't extremely dodgable lmao

[flint widget]

zero

[bitter wren]

[spark crown]

its only not dodgeble when all attacks get fired in your vecinity

[vernal quiver]

if the post was about rivals scylla id lowkey be with it rivals scylla is dumb and kinda just checkmates you in some positions

[flint widget]

also dork in the big 2025 💔

stay in the 1980s buddy get out

[vernal quiver]

like yes please make me have to go into roxys tiny ass circle while jetty is dashing at me, her balls are everywhere, charybdis just shot out his projectiles, and scylla is right on top of you cuz she decided to wait to dash until it was the most inconvenient thing ever

[old plover]

But even then, this only really happens when Frenzy is also active.

[vernal quiver]

true

[old plover]

Bc otherwise you can usually get rid of at least the top two Charybdis tentacles before the first Roxy burst

[flint widget]

also "power up consistently and beat the life out of enemies" is literally all roguelikes in a nutshell wtf is this guy talking about

[spark crown]

thats what he wants

he wants to be op

[flint widget]

and he enjoyed hades 1

[old plover]

I mean there are other roguelikes that trivialize themselves if and when you get lucky enough outside of challenge modes..... wait Hades 2 is one of those lol

[spark crown]

risk of rain 2

[flint widget]

hades 2 has more op potential than hades 1 period

[old plover]

I mean you kinda have to know what would make you OP to begin with. Probably won't get OP with all the duo boons of the world if you're running Hestia Attack and Special on Charon.

[flint widget]

yeah

[spark crown]

h2 weaklings when they discover hitch with blitz

[flint widget]

if u want to play a game in which u can just mindlessly attack and win hades 2 is not ur type of game

[spark crown]

Supay low fear

[flint widget]

but that requires actually putting in the work to unlock the aspect

[old plover]

Supay takes 7 Shadow (which is the equivalent of 21 Fate Fabric) to unlock. I know, because I'm currently working on it.

[spark crown]

after that it genuinly becomes a relax and chill game

[spark crown]

i dont remember this i just had all the things O_O

[flint widget]

but bosses can still kick ur ass even if u have supay

[median anvil]

early access privilege 😂

[spark crown]

nah cuz i had to new save file right before 1.0

[old plover]

I only got the activation phrase way into post game bc I haven't been playing torches much, and had exactly 0 Shadow at that point xD

[spark crown]

was my first XD by complete accident before post game

i had 1 chronos clear when i got supay iirc

then it was my highest fear weapon at 15f

16*

[old plover]

My first was Shiva, which I've played a ton of until someone told me that all the other Coat aspects are better (which I now agree with and get why) '^^

[spark crown]

also yall dont wann re see my orginal 16f setup

https://www.twitch.tv/metal_maniac431/clip/LitigiousBetterPancakeVoteYea-ROhEtz9GD7NxEAf2 heres the clip for my deathless poly fight btw

ignore lazr gameplay

@bitter wren :P get pinged nerd

[flint widget]

you still suck ass btw

[spark crown]

T-T